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Personal and Pragmatic Reasons for Health Reform

Jesus is a healer -- of body, spirit, and heart. He also called Christians to be peacemakers and healers. As the center and source of our Christian life, Jesus has to be the beginning and end (alpha and omega) of how Christians view health care. I have come nose to nose, fingers to fingers with this truth because of my son's condition. I come to the debate not as a Democrat or Republican but as a scared father, a father praying every day, and a father finding hope within the words of God. We need heath-care reform. I know I could be disregarded as simply an emotional father, and there maybe truth to my being emotional. But others, like businesspeople, are coming to see the need for health care.

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The capitalists' and business leaders' reasons for seeing the need for health-care reform are logical and rational. If we continue down the same road, we will lose ground to other countries. American businesses will be beaten by more efficient competitors. Adam Smith's invisible hand will become a fist pounding down the American dream. If we do nothing, we betray both our ancestors and descendants as we did not meet the challenges of our generation. Do not mistake me; this is not simply blind support for President Obama's plan, as there have been some other ideas out there, such as the Baucus bill. It is an endorsement for the goal of health-care reform -- affordable health care for all Americans.

The story that keeps coming up for me in my prayers is the feeding of the 5,000. Jesus took what seemed to be meager provisions and fed all who needed it. The assumption has been that health care is a small pie, which has to managed lest it be misused. Our current system is a system of rationing based on money. My faith tells me differently. My faith tells me that God has given us more than enough and only wants to share it with us. If Jesus fed 5,000 with only a bit of fish and bread, surely the richest country in the world can take care of its own.

portrait-ernesto-tinajero1Ernesto Tinajero is a freelance writer in Spokane, Washington, who earned his master's degree in theology from Fuller Seminary. Visit his blog at beingandfaith.blogspot.com.

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by: xfree9

10-06-2009 @ 1:32am

I believe that if we are to be true peacemakers, and if we truly believe in the power of the gospel to heal society's brokenness, not just our personal and individual brokenness, then we are to pursue as purely as possible solutions to our sick and troubled world.

When it comes to health care reform, we must not make the grave mistake of crossing ethical and moral boundaries in order to do justice. In every other industry in society, history has proven that costs go down when competition and innovation are permitted to flourish. Education and health care are two industries that are heavily influenced by government, and costs are rising and quality is declining. Coincidence? I don't think so.

We must act peacefully toward our neighbor, and that means our wealthy neighbor, too. If they have something we wish they could put to better use, then let's peacefully act to bring that person to the knowledge and spirit of the Kingdom and do justice that way. Otherwise we are just using power-over tactics to ostensibly accomplish "justice." Few of us would have the stomach to personally confront a neighbor, or even a total stranger, and do to him what we thoughtlessly approve of government officials routinely doing to millions of others through their collective authority.

by: xfree9

10-06-2009 @ 2:26pm

Individuals may complain as such, but many organizations, such as the CATO Institute, respond to various specific proposals, such as co-ops, public option, etc., rather than just "THE proposal sucks" sort of comment.

by: xfree9

10-06-2009 @ 2:26pm

Individuals may complain as such, but many organizations, such as the CATO Institute, respond to various specific proposals, such as co-ops, public option, etc., rather than just "THE proposal sucks" sort of comment.

by: Carla890

10-27-2009 @ 9:34am

Cant access my pc much here, at work right now will surely give a fair comment latter this evening.

respect
Mary Thoms
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by: Carla890

10-27-2009 @ 9:34am

Cant access my pc much here, at work right now will surely give a fair comment latter this evening.

respect
Mary Thoms
______________________________________________
printers washington | natural swimming ponds | custom swimming pools

by: ABELARD3339772

10-21-2009 @ 6:08am

Woow This is best blog i have read on the tpoic

Thanks
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by: ABELARD3339772

10-21-2009 @ 6:08am

Woow This is best blog i have read on the tpoic

Thanks
gibs
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passing hair drug test | how to pass a saliva drug test | pass drug testing

by: xfree9

10-07-2009 @ 12:39am

Thank you for sharing your story. I think some of the fundamental changes in the health care "system" are changes that challenge the foundations of the system itself. That "insurance" is the model for providing for what could be competitive services that drive costs down is a major problem. Licensing is an incredibly cost-increasing regulation that needs to be reformed. Many services that do not require the services of a doctor can be rendered by qualified nurses, which mean more services delivered at lower costs. "More tests" are a result of doctors covering "all bases" for fear of litigation.

Take a step back and look at our entire nation and the many major functions of our society. What are the two areas in the most dire need of reform? Health care services and education. Is it mere coincidence that the federal government is massively involved in both arenas? Could it possibly be that removing the federal government's role in both, while relying upon it to protect against fraud and abuse, could drastically reduce the costs of both and improve quality? President Obama indicates often the need for competition, yet the federal government itself is the reason for the lack of competition. True competition always drives prices down. And the same applies to education, but that isn't what this discussion is about.

Also remember the Constitution. As Christians, we must always ask, "Is it biblical?" As Americans, we must always make Congress ask, "Is it Constitutional?" If it isn't, then let's make it so.

by: xfree9

10-07-2009 @ 12:39am

Thank you for sharing your story. I think some of the fundamental changes in the health care "system" are changes that challenge the foundations of the system itself. That "insurance" is the model for providing for what could be competitive services that drive costs down is a major problem. Licensing is an incredibly cost-increasing regulation that needs to be reformed. Many services that do not require the services of a doctor can be rendered by qualified nurses, which mean more services delivered at lower costs. "More tests" are a result of doctors covering "all bases" for fear of litigation.

Take a step back and look at our entire nation and the many major functions of our society. What are the two areas in the most dire need of reform? Health care services and education. Is it mere coincidence that the federal government is massively involved in both arenas? Could it possibly be that removing the federal government's role in both, while relying upon it to protect against fraud and abuse, could drastically reduce the costs of both and improve quality? President Obama indicates often the need for competition, yet the federal government itself is the reason for the lack of competition. True competition always drives prices down. And the same applies to education, but that isn't what this discussion is about.

Also remember the Constitution. As Christians, we must always ask, "Is it biblical?" As Americans, we must always make Congress ask, "Is it Constitutional?" If it isn't, then let's make it so.

by: bwsgirl

10-02-2009 @ 2:23pm

Mr. Tinajero, God bless your son and your family. My thoughts and prayers are with you.

by: Hannity2

10-02-2009 @ 2:29pm

Ernesto,

I feel for you about your son's condition. I can't imagine going through that. I pray for him. Unfortunately the health care reform that is being proposed will lead to more families in crisis and not less.

One of the key reasons we have this mess in health care is the government is already involved in it. The regulation in the health insurance industry keeps true competition from being possible.

Too much govt regulation keep insurance companies from being able to compete. Then the govt claims it is screwed up because there isn't enough government oversight. Then they step in and screw it up even more with "reform".

It's a typical pattern of the government. Why do you think the biggest insurance companies favor the Obama plan? It's because the alternative is to open competition across state lines and they lose their practical monopolies.

If passed, this Health Care Crisis will lead to a financial crisis unseen in this countries history. There isn't enough to pay the bills.

by: Mark Baker-Wright

10-02-2009 @ 6:20pm

I'm always a bit mystified when people complain about "the health care reform that is being proposed" as if there's only one, or even one definitive, plan being proposed. For the most part, that's never been the case in this entire debate. At best, we've got a couple of elements that key figures want to see included. But we still don't have a single "plan" that brings it all together yet, that we can talk about faults (or strengths!) in it without first spelling out more specifically (as I don't see you doing here, to be honest) what we're talking about.

by: bwsgirl

10-02-2009 @ 2:23pm

Mr. Tinajero, God bless your son and your family. My thoughts and prayers are with you.

by: Hannity2

10-02-2009 @ 2:29pm

Ernesto,

I feel for you about your son's condition. I can't imagine going through that. I pray for him. Unfortunately the health care reform that is being proposed will lead to more families in crisis and not less.

One of the key reasons we have this mess in health care is the government is already involved in it. The regulation in the health insurance industry keeps true competition from being possible.

Too much govt regulation keep insurance companies from being able to compete. Then the govt claims it is screwed up because there isn't enough government oversight. Then they step in and screw it up even more with "reform".

It's a typical pattern of the government. Why do you think the biggest insurance companies favor the Obama plan? It's because the alternative is to open competition across state lines and they lose their practical monopolies.

If passed, this Health Care Crisis will lead to a financial crisis unseen in this countries history. There isn't enough to pay the bills.

by: Ernesto Tinajero

10-02-2009 @ 7:30pm

First, thank you for the well wishes and prayers. Baby Tito needs them as we all do. The question I have is which one? The house bill, the Baucus bill? I agree that it would great to have insurance companies compete across state lines. Changing the pay per service system that rewards more tests would be a needed change. The point is that reform is needed.

by: Godwinewr

10-24-2009 @ 5:50am

Woow This is best blog i have read on the tpoic

Have a nice day
jenny yully
______________________________________________
business loans | swimming pools design | natural pool designs

by: natcoz

10-02-2009 @ 10:16pm

"It's a near-universal assumption of the healthcare debate that the current system is a market system and it is broken, and hence we should try a government system. The people who assume this aren't considering the last 100 years of healthcare policy. Government is deeply involved at all levels, from medical licensure and patents, to direct subsidies and provision, to employee mandates and insurance-pooling controls, at all levels."

"It's been a steady path to medical serfdom all the way, under both parties, and this is precisely what accounts for most of the problems that people complain about. Meanwhile, the private dimensions of the healthcare system is what accounts for its merits."

"So what are we doing? The very opposite of what we should be doing: more control instead of more freedom, more spending instead of less, more mandates instead of fewer. The logic of interventionism is taking over: problems are being addressed by more of what caused the problems. The sick patient is being given more poison with the claim that it is the cure."

The following link is to a provides a list of resources which provides a means of gaining a deeper understanding of cause and effect. And once we understand cause and effect, we can begin talking about meaningful reform.

http://mises.org/story/3737

by: Mark Baker-Wright

10-02-2009 @ 6:20pm

I'm always a bit mystified when people complain about "the health care reform that is being proposed" as if there's only one, or even one definitive, plan being proposed. For the most part, that's never been the case in this entire debate. At best, we've got a couple of elements that key figures want to see included. But we still don't have a single "plan" that brings it all together yet, that we can talk about faults (or strengths!) in it without first spelling out more specifically (as I don't see you doing here, to be honest) what we're talking about.

by: Godwinewr

10-24-2009 @ 5:50am

Woow This is best blog i have read on the tpoic

Have a nice day
jenny yully
______________________________________________
business loans | swimming pools design | natural pool designs

by: Ernesto Tinajero

10-02-2009 @ 7:30pm

First, thank you for the well wishes and prayers. Baby Tito needs them as we all do. The question I have is which one? The house bill, the Baucus bill? I agree that it would great to have insurance companies compete across state lines. Changing the pay per service system that rewards more tests would be a needed change. The point is that reform is needed.

by: natcoz

10-02-2009 @ 10:16pm

"It's a near-universal assumption of the healthcare debate that the current system is a market system and it is broken, and hence we should try a government system. The people who assume this aren't considering the last 100 years of healthcare policy. Government is deeply involved at all levels, from medical licensure and patents, to direct subsidies and provision, to employee mandates and insurance-pooling controls, at all levels."

"It's been a steady path to medical serfdom all the way, under both parties, and this is precisely what accounts for most of the problems that people complain about. Meanwhile, the private dimensions of the healthcare system is what accounts for its merits."

"So what are we doing? The very opposite of what we should be doing: more control instead of more freedom, more spending instead of less, more mandates instead of fewer. The logic of interventionism is taking over: problems are being addressed by more of what caused the problems. The sick patient is being given more poison with the claim that it is the cure."

The following link is to a provides a list of resources which provides a means of gaining a deeper understanding of cause and effect. And once we understand cause and effect, we can begin talking about meaningful reform.

http://mises.org/story/3737

by: bazphone

10-13-2009 @ 5:58am

In ffice right now will go through this latter.

Thanks
marshel
______________________________________________
watch gossip girl | Nintendo Ds cases | cataract eye drop

by: scout2

10-03-2009 @ 7:16pm

Needs repeating: Unfortunately the health care reform that is being proposed will lead to more families in crisis and not less. Let's not deny this truth.

by: Salmon67o0

10-29-2009 @ 6:34am

i would love to read more from you on this

Thanks
james orel
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home mortgage colorado | real estate san miguel de allende | Nintendo Wii Repair

by: letjusticerolldown

10-04-2009 @ 4:41am

Please specify what the truth is you are talking about.

by: wmholt

10-04-2009 @ 5:41am

As a Christian physician, I'm a little mystified by some of the comments here. There are 45,000 deaths in the U.S. each year from lack of health insurance, which amounts to one every 12 seconds.

There are bankruptcies every day due to the crushing weight of medical bills, too large to ever hope to pay. There are 70 million uninsured and under-insured citizens in this country.

I do not think that it is the insurance companies that are being deprived when you read anything written by Wendell Potter, a Cigna and Humana executive, who turned whistle-blower after being shamed by the people attending "free" health clinics being held in a pasture for those without health insurance.

My concern is not the insurance industry. Something tells me that they will do just fine. What I am praying for, and working for, is a health care program that will allow so many of our uninsured and under-insured fellow U.S. citizens to avoid bankruptcy and death.

Mathew 25 speaks so loudly to me:

"39 And when did we see You sick or in prison and came to visit You?

"40 And the King will reply to them, Truly I tell you, in so far as you did it for one of the least in the estimation of men of these My brethren, you did it for Me."

by: bazphone

10-13-2009 @ 5:58am

In ffice right now will go through this latter.

Thanks
marshel
______________________________________________
watch gossip girl | Nintendo Ds cases | cataract eye drop

by: Salmon67o0

10-29-2009 @ 6:34am

i would love to read more from you on this

Thanks
james orel
______________________________________________
home mortgage colorado | real estate san miguel de allende | Nintendo Wii Repair

by: scout2

10-03-2009 @ 7:16pm

Needs repeating: Unfortunately the health care reform that is being proposed will lead to more families in crisis and not less. Let's not deny this truth.

by: Ernesto Tinajero

10-04-2009 @ 11:37pm

Thank you for comment. I do believe it is a Christian issue as well. There are so many people who cannot afford their insurance, also many of the underinsured do not know they are underinsured until they have something major happen. It is like playing a unaware game of Russian Roulette.

by: kansasmennonite

10-05-2009 @ 12:20am

Quote:"It's a typical pattern of the government. Why do you think the biggest insurance companies favor the Obama plan? It's because the alternative is to open competition across state lines and they lose their practical monopolies."

The only advantage I can see to opening up the insurance across state lines is to "level" some of the costs. Some will pay more and some will pay less. Who will regulate the insurance? The states now have their own insurance commissioner to handle problems.

If you want to handle preexisting conditions how do you propose to do that without a mandate? Todd Tiahart is my state's congressman and on his site there is no republican plan (on his site) to cover preexisting conditions-hardly surprising is it? How can you have reform without covering preexisting conditions? Can't be done-sorry. I understand that some republicans were for a mandate that everyone had to get covered and then backed out as it became "political" and too hot an issue when the election is coming up. Pure political move.

If there isn't enough money to pay the bills you're admitting there is a major need for medical procedures that aren't getting care of right now. What's your proposal for that? Good luck!

by: letjusticerolldown

10-04-2009 @ 4:41am

Please specify what the truth is you are talking about.

by: wmholt

10-04-2009 @ 5:41am

As a Christian physician, I'm a little mystified by some of the comments here. There are 45,000 deaths in the U.S. each year from lack of health insurance, which amounts to one every 12 seconds.

There are bankruptcies every day due to the crushing weight of medical bills, too large to ever hope to pay. There are 70 million uninsured and under-insured citizens in this country.

I do not think that it is the insurance companies that are being deprived when you read anything written by Wendell Potter, a Cigna and Humana executive, who turned whistle-blower after being shamed by the people attending "free" health clinics being held in a pasture for those without health insurance.

My concern is not the insurance industry. Something tells me that they will do just fine. What I am praying for, and working for, is a health care program that will allow so many of our uninsured and under-insured fellow U.S. citizens to avoid bankruptcy and death.

Mathew 25 speaks so loudly to me:

"39 And when did we see You sick or in prison and came to visit You?

"40 And the King will reply to them, Truly I tell you, in so far as you did it for one of the least in the estimation of men of these My brethren, you did it for Me."

by: Ernesto Tinajero

10-04-2009 @ 11:37pm

Thank you for comment. I do believe it is a Christian issue as well. There are so many people who cannot afford their insurance, also many of the underinsured do not know they are underinsured until they have something major happen. It is like playing a unaware game of Russian Roulette.

by: kansasmennonite

10-05-2009 @ 12:20am

Quote:"It's a typical pattern of the government. Why do you think the biggest insurance companies favor the Obama plan? It's because the alternative is to open competition across state lines and they lose their practical monopolies."

The only advantage I can see to opening up the insurance across state lines is to "level" some of the costs. Some will pay more and some will pay less. Who will regulate the insurance? The states now have their own insurance commissioner to handle problems.

If you want to handle preexisting conditions how do you propose to do that without a mandate? Todd Tiahart is my state's congressman and on his site there is no republican plan (on his site) to cover preexisting conditions-hardly surprising is it? How can you have reform without covering preexisting conditions? Can't be done-sorry. I understand that some republicans were for a mandate that everyone had to get covered and then backed out as it became "political" and too hot an issue when the election is coming up. Pure political move.

If there isn't enough money to pay the bills you're admitting there is a major need for medical procedures that aren't getting care of right now. What's your proposal for that? Good luck!

by: xfree9

10-06-2009 @ 1:32am

I believe that if we are to be true peacemakers, and if we truly believe in the power of the gospel to heal society's brokenness, not just our personal and individual brokenness, then we are to pursue as purely as possible solutions to our sick and troubled world.

When it comes to health care reform, we must not make the grave mistake of crossing ethical and moral boundaries in order to do justice. In every other industry in society, history has proven that costs go down when competition and innovation are permitted to flourish. Education and health care are two industries that are heavily influenced by government, and costs are rising and quality is declining. Coincidence? I don't think so.

We must act peacefully toward our neighbor, and that means our wealthy neighbor, too. If they have something we wish they could put to better use, then let's peacefully act to bring that person to the knowledge and spirit of the Kingdom and do justice that way. Otherwise we are just using power-over tactics to ostensibly accomplish "justice." Few of us would have the stomach to personally confront a neighbor, or even a total stranger, and do to him what we thoughtlessly approve of government officials routinely doing to millions of others through their collective authority.

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by: bwsgirl

10-02-2009 @ 2:23pm

Mr. Tinajero, God bless your son and your family. My thoughts and prayers are with you.

by: bwsgirl

10-02-2009 @ 2:23pm

Mr. Tinajero, God bless your son and your family. My thoughts and prayers are with you.

by: Hannity2

10-02-2009 @ 2:29pm

Ernesto,

I feel for you about your son's condition. I can't imagine going through that. I pray for him. Unfortunately the health care reform that is being proposed will lead to more families in crisis and not less.

One of the key reasons we have this mess in health care is the government is already involved in it. The regulation in the health insurance industry keeps true competition from being possible.

Too much govt regulation keep insurance companies from being able to compete. Then the govt claims it is screwed up because there isn't enough government oversight. Then they step in and screw it up even more with "reform".

It's a typical pattern of the government. Why do you think the biggest insurance companies favor the Obama plan? It's because the alternative is to open competition across state lines and they lose their practical monopolies.

If passed, this Health Care Crisis will lead to a financial crisis unseen in this countries history. There isn't enough to pay the bills.

by: Hannity2

10-02-2009 @ 2:29pm

Ernesto,

I feel for you about your son's condition. I can't imagine going through that. I pray for him. Unfortunately the health care reform that is being proposed will lead to more families in crisis and not less.

One of the key reasons we have this mess in health care is the government is already involved in it. The regulation in the health insurance industry keeps true competition from being possible.

Too much govt regulation keep insurance companies from being able to compete. Then the govt claims it is screwed up because there isn't enough government oversight. Then they step in and screw it up even more with "reform".

It's a typical pattern of the government. Why do you think the biggest insurance companies favor the Obama plan? It's because the alternative is to open competition across state lines and they lose their practical monopolies.

If passed, this Health Care Crisis will lead to a financial crisis unseen in this countries history. There isn't enough to pay the bills.

by: Mark Baker-Wright

10-02-2009 @ 6:20pm

I'm always a bit mystified when people complain about "the health care reform that is being proposed" as if there's only one, or even one definitive, plan being proposed. For the most part, that's never been the case in this entire debate. At best, we've got a couple of elements that key figures want to see included. But we still don't have a single "plan" that brings it all together yet, that we can talk about faults (or strengths!) in it without first spelling out more specifically (as I don't see you doing here, to be honest) what we're talking about.

by: Mark Baker-Wright

10-02-2009 @ 6:20pm

I'm always a bit mystified when people complain about "the health care reform that is being proposed" as if there's only one, or even one definitive, plan being proposed. For the most part, that's never been the case in this entire debate. At best, we've got a couple of elements that key figures want to see included. But we still don't have a single "plan" that brings it all together yet, that we can talk about faults (or strengths!) in it without first spelling out more specifically (as I don't see you doing here, to be honest) what we're talking about.

by: Ernesto Tinajero

10-02-2009 @ 7:30pm

First, thank you for the well wishes and prayers. Baby Tito needs them as we all do. The question I have is which one? The house bill, the Baucus bill? I agree that it would great to have insurance companies compete across state lines. Changing the pay per service system that rewards more tests would be a needed change. The point is that reform is needed.

by: Ernesto Tinajero

10-02-2009 @ 7:30pm

First, thank you for the well wishes and prayers. Baby Tito needs them as we all do. The question I have is which one? The house bill, the Baucus bill? I agree that it would great to have insurance companies compete across state lines. Changing the pay per service system that rewards more tests would be a needed change. The point is that reform is needed.

by: natcoz

10-02-2009 @ 10:16pm

"It's a near-universal assumption of the healthcare debate that the current system is a market system and it is broken, and hence we should try a government system. The people who assume this aren't considering the last 100 years of healthcare policy. Government is deeply involved at all levels, from medical licensure and patents, to direct subsidies and provision, to employee mandates and insurance-pooling controls, at all levels."

"It's been a steady path to medical serfdom all the way, under both parties, and this is precisely what accounts for most of the problems that people complain about. Meanwhile, the private dimensions of the healthcare system is what accounts for its merits."

"So what are we doing? The very opposite of what we should be doing: more control instead of more freedom, more spending instead of less, more mandates instead of fewer. The logic of interventionism is taking over: problems are being addressed by more of what caused the problems. The sick patient is being given more poison with the claim that it is the cure."

The following link is to a provides a list of resources which provides a means of gaining a deeper understanding of cause and effect. And once we understand cause and effect, we can begin talking about meaningful reform.

http://mises.org/story/3737

by: natcoz

10-02-2009 @ 10:16pm

"It's a near-universal assumption of the healthcare debate that the current system is a market system and it is broken, and hence we should try a government system. The people who assume this aren't considering the last 100 years of healthcare policy. Government is deeply involved at all levels, from medical licensure and patents, to direct subsidies and provision, to employee mandates and insurance-pooling controls, at all levels."

"It's been a steady path to medical serfdom all the way, under both parties, and this is precisely what accounts for most of the problems that people complain about. Meanwhile, the private dimensions of the healthcare system is what accounts for its merits."

"So what are we doing? The very opposite of what we should be doing: more control instead of more freedom, more spending instead of less, more mandates instead of fewer. The logic of interventionism is taking over: problems are being addressed by more of what caused the problems. The sick patient is being given more poison with the claim that it is the cure."

The following link is to a provides a list of resources which provides a means of gaining a deeper understanding of cause and effect. And once we understand cause and effect, we can begin talking about meaningful reform.

http://mises.org/story/3737

by: scout2

10-03-2009 @ 7:16pm

Needs repeating: Unfortunately the health care reform that is being proposed will lead to more families in crisis and not less. Let's not deny this truth.

by: scout2

10-03-2009 @ 7:16pm

Needs repeating: Unfortunately the health care reform that is being proposed will lead to more families in crisis and not less. Let's not deny this truth.

by: letjusticerolldown

10-04-2009 @ 4:41am

Please specify what the truth is you are talking about.

by: letjusticerolldown

10-04-2009 @ 4:41am

Please specify what the truth is you are talking about.

by: wmholt

10-04-2009 @ 5:41am

As a Christian physician, I'm a little mystified by some of the comments here. There are 45,000 deaths in the U.S. each year from lack of health insurance, which amounts to one every 12 seconds.

There are bankruptcies every day due to the crushing weight of medical bills, too large to ever hope to pay. There are 70 million uninsured and under-insured citizens in this country.

I do not think that it is the insurance companies that are being deprived when you read anything written by Wendell Potter, a Cigna and Humana executive, who turned whistle-blower after being shamed by the people attending "free" health clinics being held in a pasture for those without health insurance.

My concern is not the insurance industry. Something tells me that they will do just fine. What I am praying for, and working for, is a health care program that will allow so many of our uninsured and under-insured fellow U.S. citizens to avoid bankruptcy and death.

Mathew 25 speaks so loudly to me:

"39 And when did we see You sick or in prison and came to visit You?

"40 And the King will reply to them, Truly I tell you, in so far as you did it for one of the least in the estimation of men of these My brethren, you did it for Me."

by: wmholt

10-04-2009 @ 5:41am

As a Christian physician, I'm a little mystified by some of the comments here. There are 45,000 deaths in the U.S. each year from lack of health insurance, which amounts to one every 12 seconds.

There are bankruptcies every day due to the crushing weight of medical bills, too large to ever hope to pay. There are 70 million uninsured and under-insured citizens in this country.

I do not think that it is the insurance companies that are being deprived when you read anything written by Wendell Potter, a Cigna and Humana executive, who turned whistle-blower after being shamed by the people attending "free" health clinics being held in a pasture for those without health insurance.

My concern is not the insurance industry. Something tells me that they will do just fine. What I am praying for, and working for, is a health care program that will allow so many of our uninsured and under-insured fellow U.S. citizens to avoid bankruptcy and death.

Mathew 25 speaks so loudly to me:

"39 And when did we see You sick or in prison and came to visit You?

"40 And the King will reply to them, Truly I tell you, in so far as you did it for one of the least in the estimation of men of these My brethren, you did it for Me."

by: Ernesto Tinajero

10-04-2009 @ 11:37pm

Thank you for comment. I do believe it is a Christian issue as well. There are so many people who cannot afford their insurance, also many of the underinsured do not know they are underinsured until they have something major happen. It is like playing a unaware game of Russian Roulette.

by: Ernesto Tinajero

10-04-2009 @ 11:37pm

Thank you for comment. I do believe it is a Christian issue as well. There are so many people who cannot afford their insurance, also many of the underinsured do not know they are underinsured until they have something major happen. It is like playing a unaware game of Russian Roulette.

by: kansasmennonite

10-05-2009 @ 12:20am

Quote:"It's a typical pattern of the government. Why do you think the biggest insurance companies favor the Obama plan? It's because the alternative is to open competition across state lines and they lose their practical monopolies."

The only advantage I can see to opening up the insurance across state lines is to "level" some of the costs. Some will pay more and some will pay less. Who will regulate the insurance? The states now have their own insurance commissioner to handle problems.

If you want to handle preexisting conditions how do you propose to do that without a mandate? Todd Tiahart is my state's congressman and on his site there is no republican plan (on his site) to cover preexisting conditions-hardly surprising is it? How can you have reform without covering preexisting conditions? Can't be done-sorry. I understand that some republicans were for a mandate that everyone had to get covered and then backed out as it became "political" and too hot an issue when the election is coming up. Pure political move.

If there isn't enough money to pay the bills you're admitting there is a major need for medical procedures that aren't getting care of right now. What's your proposal for that? Good luck!

by: kansasmennonite

10-05-2009 @ 12:20am

Quote:"It's a typical pattern of the government. Why do you think the biggest insurance companies favor the Obama plan? It's because the alternative is to open competition across state lines and they lose their practical monopolies."

The only advantage I can see to opening up the insurance across state lines is to "level" some of the costs. Some will pay more and some will pay less. Who will regulate the insurance? The states now have their own insurance commissioner to handle problems.

If you want to handle preexisting conditions how do you propose to do that without a mandate? Todd Tiahart is my state's congressman and on his site there is no republican plan (on his site) to cover preexisting conditions-hardly surprising is it? How can you have reform without covering preexisting conditions? Can't be done-sorry. I understand that some republicans were for a mandate that everyone had to get covered and then backed out as it became "political" and too hot an issue when the election is coming up. Pure political move.

If there isn't enough money to pay the bills you're admitting there is a major need for medical procedures that aren't getting care of right now. What's your proposal for that? Good luck!

by: xfree9

10-06-2009 @ 1:32am

I believe that if we are to be true peacemakers, and if we truly believe in the power of the gospel to heal society's brokenness, not just our personal and individual brokenness, then we are to pursue as purely as possible solutions to our sick and troubled world.

When it comes to health care reform, we must not make the grave mistake of crossing ethical and moral boundaries in order to do justice. In every other industry in society, history has proven that costs go down when competition and innovation are permitted to flourish. Education and health care are two industries that are heavily influenced by government, and costs are rising and quality is declining. Coincidence? I don't think so.

We must act peacefully toward our neighbor, and that means our wealthy neighbor, too. If they have something we wish they could put to better use, then let's peacefully act to bring that person to the knowledge and spirit of the Kingdom and do justice that way. Otherwise we are just using power-over tactics to ostensibly accomplish "justice." Few of us would have the stomach to personally confront a neighbor, or even a total stranger, and do to him what we thoughtlessly approve of government officials routinely doing to millions of others through their collective authority.

by: xfree9

10-06-2009 @ 1:32am

I believe that if we are to be true peacemakers, and if we truly believe in the power of the gospel to heal society's brokenness, not just our personal and individual brokenness, then we are to pursue as purely as possible solutions to our sick and troubled world.

When it comes to health care reform, we must not make the grave mistake of crossing ethical and moral boundaries in order to do justice. In every other industry in society, history has proven that costs go down when competition and innovation are permitted to flourish. Education and health care are two industries that are heavily influenced by government, and costs are rising and quality is declining. Coincidence? I don't think so.

We must act peacefully toward our neighbor, and that means our wealthy neighbor, too. If they have something we wish they could put to better use, then let's peacefully act to bring that person to the knowledge and spirit of the Kingdom and do justice that way. Otherwise we are just using power-over tactics to ostensibly accomplish "justice." Few of us would have the stomach to personally confront a neighbor, or even a total stranger, and do to him what we thoughtlessly approve of government officials routinely doing to millions of others through their collective authority.

by: xfree9

10-06-2009 @ 2:26pm

Individuals may complain as such, but many organizations, such as the CATO Institute, respond to various specific proposals, such as co-ops, public option, etc., rather than just "THE proposal sucks" sort of comment.

by: xfree9

10-06-2009 @ 2:26pm

Individuals may complain as such, but many organizations, such as the CATO Institute, respond to various specific proposals, such as co-ops, public option, etc., rather than just "THE proposal sucks" sort of comment.

by: xfree9

10-07-2009 @ 12:39am

Thank you for sharing your story. I think some of the fundamental changes in the health care "system" are changes that challenge the foundations of the system itself. That "insurance" is the model for providing for what could be competitive services that drive costs down is a major problem. Licensing is an incredibly cost-increasing regulation that needs to be reformed. Many services that do not require the services of a doctor can be rendered by qualified nurses, which mean more services delivered at lower costs. "More tests" are a result of doctors covering "all bases" for fear of litigation.

Take a step back and look at our entire nation and the many major functions of our society. What are the two areas in the most dire need of reform? Health care services and education. Is it mere coincidence that the federal government is massively involved in both arenas? Could it possibly be that removing the federal government's role in both, while relying upon it to protect against fraud and abuse, could drastically reduce the costs of both and improve quality? President Obama indicates often the need for competition, yet the federal government itself is the reason for the lack of competition. True competition always drives prices down. And the same applies to education, but that isn't what this discussion is about.

Also remember the Constitution. As Christians, we must always ask, "Is it biblical?" As Americans, we must always make Congress ask, "Is it Constitutional?" If it isn't, then let's make it so.

by: xfree9

10-07-2009 @ 12:39am

Thank you for sharing your story. I think some of the fundamental changes in the health care "system" are changes that challenge the foundations of the system itself. That "insurance" is the model for providing for what could be competitive services that drive costs down is a major problem. Licensing is an incredibly cost-increasing regulation that needs to be reformed. Many services that do not require the services of a doctor can be rendered by qualified nurses, which mean more services delivered at lower costs. "More tests" are a result of doctors covering "all bases" for fear of litigation.

Take a step back and look at our entire nation and the many major functions of our society. What are the two areas in the most dire need of reform? Health care services and education. Is it mere coincidence that the federal government is massively involved in both arenas? Could it possibly be that removing the federal government's role in both, while relying upon it to protect against fraud and abuse, could drastically reduce the costs of both and improve quality? President Obama indicates often the need for competition, yet the federal government itself is the reason for the lack of competition. True competition always drives prices down. And the same applies to education, but that isn't what this discussion is about.

Also remember the Constitution. As Christians, we must always ask, "Is it biblical?" As Americans, we must always make Congress ask, "Is it Constitutional?" If it isn't, then let's make it so.

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