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The 'Other' Chicago: A New Tale of Two Cities

It has been over a week since the news story broke of the deadly beating of 16 year old Derrion Albert on Chicago's South Side. I had only heard the story in passing when I received a text message from my 29-year-old son. "Hear about the kid on the south side in roseland who got beat to death. Do you know the agape community center." My son was recalling his now distant memory of a Thursday evening youth outreach program run by the small African-American church to which we belonged at the time. Our tiny church, which was also located in Roseland, would pick up kids at their homes every Thursday evening and bring them to the Agape Center for a time of recreation followed by a grandfatherly talk by our pastor.

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Ironically, the beating death occurred just days before it was announced that Chicago had lost its much hoped-for bid to host the 2016 Summer Olympics. The twin events encapsulated the dual realities of American urban life -- it is a modern tale of two cities. Even though legal segregation ended over 50 years ago, these two cities-in-one are completely divided from each other. One is the image of a gleaming jewel stretched out along Lake Michigan with its world renowned architecture and sparkling lakefront. The other city is a place of empty lots, boarded up store fronts, and worn down housing. This other space is only seen by those who live there. Yet it exists on the far reaches of Chicago's west and south sides.

I lived in a neighborhood just north of Roseland for 19 years. Roseland, the same neighborhood in which President Obama did community organizing, had originally been a working class community. In the early 1980s many of the neighborhood's African-American residents had good paying jobs in the mills that lined the lakefront on the far South Side.

As the mills began shutting down, one after another, the workers were laid off, and Roseland experienced the highest housing foreclosure rates in the nation. In a matter of a few years, the Roseland neighborhood began its steep slide into urban decay. Local businesses shut down and storefronts were boarded up. In fact, our church worshiped in what had been once been a fried chicken carry-out. Gangs and drug trafficking replaced the vanished industrial jobs.

Most of the kids growing up in Roseland and similar neighborhoods in Chicago have no connections to the city's other half. By 2005, Chicago's downtown had expanded by one-third as gleaming new office towers were built to house the legal, accounting, and financial firms that now connected the Midwest to the burgeoning global economy. Of course, all their new workers also needed new upscale housing nearby, so the city reached an agreement with the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development to tear down virtually all the high rise public housing that lay in close proximity to downtown. In its place, whole new neighborhoods were erected, completely transforming the areas surrounding the Loop.

The vast majority of former public housing residents were pushed out into privately owned housing in those already declining neighborhoods on the south and west sides. Youth violence spiked as youth with different gang affiliations now found themselves living side-by-side. In my experience, it was difficult to grow up in neighborhoods such as Roseland without some level of connection to a gang.

In 1997, at a moment when my then 16-year-old son found himself under threat from a neighborhood gang member, I exercised my racial and class privileges to get him out of the neighborhood. Overnight, I put him on a plane to spend the rest of the summer with his grandmother, while I moved our household out to Wheaton, in Chicago's western suburbs. I had that option because at the time I was a faculty member at Wheaton College and could take advantage of the college's offer of a bridge loan that enabled me to afford the high price of housing in the suburbs.

My son finished high school and went on to a Christian college where he encountered the living Christ. He still stays in touch with his old friends on the South Side, none of whom have finished any studies beyond high school. Most are working in marginal jobs, still living at home. Derrion has lost his life, but so many others have had theirs shrunk by being trapped in the other Chicago. All of this remained hidden while the gleaming Chicago offered itself as the host for the Olympics.

Last week, President Obama sent two members of his Cabinet, Arne Duncan and Eric Holder, to Chicago where they met with Fenger High School students. I am hoping that this president will draw on his own time spent in Roseland to launch a serious assault on the walls that continue to separate the two Chicagos. We cannot look at the horrible video footage of Derrion's beating without acknowledging that it is symptomatic of the anger and frustration in the hearts of young people who remain trapped behind the invisible barriers that run through many of America's cities.

portrait-helene-slessarev-jamirHelene Slessarev-Jamir is the Mildred M. Hutchinson Professor of Urban Ministries at Claremont School of Theology and a Sojourners board member.

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by: Stephen Kimball

10-13-2009 @ 10:44pm

About 11 years ago I lived and worked in Woodlawn on Chicago's Southside. I was working with youth there. Since leaving, one of the kids, my downstairs neighbor, was murdered. This summer, the father of two of the young people I worked with was murdered as well.

Thank you for calling attention to what is gong on in Chicago.

by: Lord_Voldemort

10-14-2009 @ 11:41am

And of course, the progressives who have run Chicago for decades have nothing to do with the existence of that other Chicago. Just as the unions have no responsibility for the conditions of the city of Detroit.

It's not enough for the left to "call attention" to the sad state of so many of our cities. They need to start acknowledging that as part of the establishment they bear some responsiblity.

LV

by: BlueDeacon

10-14-2009 @ 12:07pm

In truth, the problems go back much further than that. In the 1980s when Reagan was President we heard a lot about trickle-down economics and how that would solve the problems of the inner city. Needless to say, it didn't. You see, when people in the inner city hear conservatives say that they need to solve their own problems they understand it's just the old racism coming back. White people who could afford to leave the bad sections of Chicago did so. They don't want to help people who "don't look like them". Trying to blame progressives for this just won't work with people who live in the cities because they know better. It's the racism of conservatism that is at fault.

by: JacobS

10-14-2009 @ 1:39pm

And the black people who could afford to leave the bad sections of Chicago stayed?

by: Lord_Voldemort

10-14-2009 @ 11:41am

And of course, the progressives who have run Chicago for decades have nothing to do with the existence of that other Chicago. Just as the unions have no responsibility for the conditions of the city of Detroit.

It's not enough for the left to "call attention" to the sad state of so many of our cities. They need to start acknowledging that as part of the establishment they bear some responsiblity.

LV

by: BlueDeacon

10-14-2009 @ 12:07pm

In truth, the problems go back much further than that. In the 1980s when Reagan was President we heard a lot about trickle-down economics and how that would solve the problems of the inner city. Needless to say, it didn't. You see, when people in the inner city hear conservatives say that they need to solve their own problems they understand it's just the old racism coming back. White people who could afford to leave the bad sections of Chicago did so. They don't want to help people who "don't look like them". Trying to blame progressives for this just won't work with people who live in the cities because they know better. It's the racism of conservatism that is at fault.

by: ando

10-14-2009 @ 3:49pm

Yeah, let's just automatically blame everything on racism. To paraphrase Joe Biden: The left's strategy is a noun, a verb and racism. That way they can always pass the blame and never be held at fault. Kind of like if David would have blamed his indisgressions on Bathsheba because she looked so beautiful. Eventually, he took responsibility for his own actions.

Oh, and the black middle class did move out. First chance they could get.

by: JacobS

10-14-2009 @ 1:39pm

And the black people who could afford to leave the bad sections of Chicago stayed?

by: ando

10-14-2009 @ 3:49pm

Yeah, let's just automatically blame everything on racism. To paraphrase Joe Biden: The left's strategy is a noun, a verb and racism. That way they can always pass the blame and never be held at fault. Kind of like if David would have blamed his indisgressions on Bathsheba because she looked so beautiful. Eventually, he took responsibility for his own actions.

Oh, and the black middle class did move out. First chance they could get.

by: BlueDeacon

10-14-2009 @ 4:54pm

That's besides the point.

by: BlueDeacon

10-14-2009 @ 4:59pm

No. You see, conservatives have always played the race card when other arguments wouldn't work for them. In fact, this goes way back to the 1960s when Lyndon Johnson won blacks over to the Democrats. Ronald Reagan used phrases like states rights to tell racist whites as a code word. In my neighborhood, this means what it means.

by: palmberry

10-16-2009 @ 5:47am

John well said, I agree.

by: palmberry

10-14-2009 @ 7:37pm

I am a social work student living in Chicago, and it is very interesting how Chicago can act as an example to many of the things I am learning. There are many social issues/problems that have lead to where Chicago is at right now, as far as violence and its social divide. I could spend all day talking about what needs to be changed etc. But I thought it important to bring some specific information into this discussion.

Middle class blacks probably moved out, which makes sense. Why would they stay if they didnt have to? But if you look at the percentage of black in the middle class, it doesn't really make that much of a difference. For example, in 2006 about 24% of blacks lived below the poverty line(keep in mind the poverty line is not the highest end of the lower class, but just the estimate of what the bare minimum of what is needed to survive). Which is 16% more then whites. Although this percentage is not specifically made about Chicago, it is still important.

Here is some information that was gained form the 2000 census specifically about Chicago and race:

"Yet Chicago's black community faces continued economic challenges. Median household income for blacks was just $29,000 in 2000, versus $37,000 for Hispanics and $49,000 for whites. Chicago has the sixth highest black poverty rate among the 23 Living Cities. The ranks of the "working poor"-families with incomes below 150 percent of poverty-are significant. Behind these economic differences lies a racial education gap; only 13 percent of black adults in Chicago hold bachelor's degrees, compared to 42 percent of whites."

Thank you for your blog, it is always nice to hear personal stories and opinions about whats going on in the city.

by: ando

10-14-2009 @ 9:46pm

Please see Efrem Smith's latest blog (I doubt if Sojourners would dare run it, but who knows?). I see Efrem as a shining light of moderation in the world of Christian bloggers -- along with Eugene Cho.

by: BlueDeacon

10-14-2009 @ 4:54pm

That's besides the point.

by: BlueDeacon

10-14-2009 @ 4:59pm

No. You see, conservatives have always played the race card when other arguments wouldn't work for them. In fact, this goes way back to the 1960s when Lyndon Johnson won blacks over to the Democrats. Ronald Reagan used phrases like states rights to tell racist whites as a code word. In my neighborhood, this means what it means.

by: palmberry

10-14-2009 @ 7:37pm

I am a social work student living in Chicago, and it is very interesting how Chicago can act as an example to many of the things I am learning. There are many social issues/problems that have lead to where Chicago is at right now, as far as violence and its social divide. I could spend all day talking about what needs to be changed etc. But I thought it important to bring some specific information into this discussion.

Middle class blacks probably moved out, which makes sense. Why would they stay if they didnt have to? But if you look at the percentage of black in the middle class, it doesn't really make that much of a difference. For example, in 2006 about 24% of blacks lived below the poverty line(keep in mind the poverty line is not the highest end of the lower class, but just the estimate of what the bare minimum of what is needed to survive). Which is 16% more then whites. Although this percentage is not specifically made about Chicago, it is still important.

Here is some information that was gained form the 2000 census specifically about Chicago and race:

"Yet Chicago's black community faces continued economic challenges. Median household income for blacks was just $29,000 in 2000, versus $37,000 for Hispanics and $49,000 for whites. Chicago has the sixth highest black poverty rate among the 23 Living Cities. The ranks of the "working poor"-families with incomes below 150 percent of poverty-are significant. Behind these economic differences lies a racial education gap; only 13 percent of black adults in Chicago hold bachelor's degrees, compared to 42 percent of whites."

Thank you for your blog, it is always nice to hear personal stories and opinions about whats going on in the city.

by: ando

10-14-2009 @ 9:46pm

Please see Efrem Smith's latest blog (I doubt if Sojourners would dare run it, but who knows?). I see Efrem as a shining light of moderation in the world of Christian bloggers -- along with Eugene Cho.

by: johnauer

10-15-2009 @ 3:59pm

What makes us think "progressives" and "liberals" have been leading Chicago's systematic separation and isolation of neighbors and neighborhoods all these years? I served inner-city congregations there 1970-1992. The second Mayor Daley is about to eclipse the tenure of the first -- whose dictate to citizens was, "Don't make no waves, don't back no losers."
Except for the brief, promising interval of Mayor Harold Washington, whose first-term governance was frozen by racial opposition (He was "Vrdolyacked!"), Chicago has been a benevolent oligarchy of downtown interests and operatives for generations now. Much local oppositon to the city's own receng Olympics bid reflected resentment at the perennial top-down, corporate managerial way of doing things all things economic and political.
Chicago's neighbors and neighborhoods have been sliced and diced, divided and conquered, and left to their own obscure devices -- ever since the first Mayor Daley famously lined routes to the 1968 convention with walls of plywood so nobody had to look at the ghettoes. Children who think no matter what they do, nobody will be looking at them grow increasingly innured to the risks of destroying themselves and each other. This is a job for Jesus.

by: johnauer

10-15-2009 @ 3:59pm

What makes us think "progressives" and "liberals" have been leading Chicago's systematic separation and isolation of neighbors and neighborhoods all these years? I served inner-city congregations there 1970-1992. The second Mayor Daley is about to eclipse the tenure of the first -- whose dictate to citizens was, "Don't make no waves, don't back no losers."
Except for the brief, promising interval of Mayor Harold Washington, whose first-term governance was frozen by racial opposition (He was "Vrdolyacked!"), Chicago has been a benevolent oligarchy of downtown interests and operatives for generations now. Much local oppositon to the city's own receng Olympics bid reflected resentment at the perennial top-down, corporate managerial way of doing things all things economic and political.
Chicago's neighbors and neighborhoods have been sliced and diced, divided and conquered, and left to their own obscure devices -- ever since the first Mayor Daley famously lined routes to the 1968 convention with walls of plywood so nobody had to look at the ghettoes. Children who think no matter what they do, nobody will be looking at them grow increasingly innured to the risks of destroying themselves and each other. This is a job for Jesus.

by: palmberry

10-16-2009 @ 3:47am

John well said, I agree.

by: palmberry

10-16-2009 @ 5:47am

John well said, I agree.

by: swanyriver

10-13-2009 @ 4:30pm

Thank you Helene for this reflection which should cause some soul searching for many "urban ministries" who grew up during this same 25 year time frame. What did we neglect? How can we improve?

by: palmberry

10-16-2009 @ 3:47am

John well said, I agree.

by: nuclearferret

10-13-2009 @ 7:26pm

"In 1997, at a moment when my then 16-year-old son found himself under threat from a neighborhood gang member, I exercised my racial and class privileges to get him out of the neighborhood."

Class. Period. Are affluent blacks accepting life in the "other" Chicago, either? Are poor whites able to get their children out of these neighborhoods? Only if they happen to have able family living elsewhere.

by: swanyriver

10-13-2009 @ 4:30pm

Thank you Helene for this reflection which should cause some soul searching for many "urban ministries" who grew up during this same 25 year time frame. What did we neglect? How can we improve?

by: letjusticerolldown

10-13-2009 @ 9:00pm

I guess it has been a privilege of whites to define when race is and is not an issue. When it was important--the entire world had to conform to our notions of race--to the details of what one looked at while walking down the street.

"Oh, it's not important now? Nothing happened--and you certainly better not speak as if it did." The entire world must now conform to this understanding. Race is not an issue. Got it?

by: ando

10-13-2009 @ 10:06pm

I have travelled to Guatemala twice in the last four years, so it's sort of close to my heart. There, it's said 80 percent of the indigenous rural population is in extreme poverty. As in, not knowing where their next meal might come from. There is inherent racism against the Mayan descendents by the country's elite. In Ethiopia, our adopted daughter had to be given up by her non-Amharic speaking birth mother, because the father had died and I suspect she was running out of milk. The birth mom was making the equivalent of 25 cents a day. It's not hard to have compassion and deep sympathy for such people. Racism plays a role in both cases, as it does throughout the world

Here, I sometimes take the bus. Just today, a middle-schooler dropped an MF-bomb as he was getting off. Just for the hell of it, apparently. Last year, a bus I was on broke down in a tough section of town. I had the "pleasure" of being toward the back. And the colorful language, not only by teens but by adults, was something to behold. A woman who worked for the state shouting out that she'll sue the bus company if she got home late. Teens being incredibly rude and obnoxious. I also have students who talk about their 52-inch tvs at home and wonder why mine is only a 27-incher and why we don't have cable. Fathers who leave their families to shack up with another woman and start another family. And guess who gets the free/reduced breakfast and lunch because they come from broken families. Sorry, ljrd, but it's kind of hard to be sympathetic in these cases.

But perhaps you'll be heartened that I do my racist "penance" each day I walk into the classroom. For I'm told that certain groups of children will act a certain way -- often noted by liberal whites -- and sure enough, they're self-fulfilling prophecy is realized because a double behavioral standard is created depending upon race.

So, ljrd, a a proposition (tongue in cheek). You spend a week up here in the la-la liberal land of Madison, and I'll come down to Birmingham, is it. Maybe we can each get a different perspective. Because it don't get much more leftist than here. Course, it's still a very segregated city.

by: Stephen Kimball

10-13-2009 @ 10:44pm

About 11 years ago I lived and worked in Woodlawn on Chicago's Southside. I was working with youth there. Since leaving, one of the kids, my downstairs neighbor, was murdered. This summer, the father of two of the young people I worked with was murdered as well.

Thank you for calling attention to what is gong on in Chicago.

by: nuclearferret

10-13-2009 @ 7:26pm

"In 1997, at a moment when my then 16-year-old son found himself under threat from a neighborhood gang member, I exercised my racial and class privileges to get him out of the neighborhood."

Class. Period. Are affluent blacks accepting life in the "other" Chicago, either? Are poor whites able to get their children out of these neighborhoods? Only if they happen to have able family living elsewhere.

by: letjusticerolldown

10-13-2009 @ 9:00pm

I guess it has been a privilege of whites to define when race is and is not an issue. When it was important--the entire world had to conform to our notions of race--to the details of what one looked at while walking down the street.

"Oh, it's not important now? Nothing happened--and you certainly better not speak as if it did." The entire world must now conform to this understanding. Race is not an issue. Got it?

by: ando

10-13-2009 @ 10:06pm

I have travelled to Guatemala twice in the last four years, so it's sort of close to my heart. There, it's said 80 percent of the indigenous rural population is in extreme poverty. As in, not knowing where their next meal might come from. There is inherent racism against the Mayan descendents by the country's elite. In Ethiopia, our adopted daughter had to be given up by her non-Amharic speaking birth mother, because the father had died and I suspect she was running out of milk. The birth mom was making the equivalent of 25 cents a day. It's not hard to have compassion and deep sympathy for such people. Racism plays a role in both cases, as it does throughout the world

Here, I sometimes take the bus. Just today, a middle-schooler dropped an MF-bomb as he was getting off. Just for the hell of it, apparently. Last year, a bus I was on broke down in a tough section of town. I had the "pleasure" of being toward the back. And the colorful language, not only by teens but by adults, was something to behold. A woman who worked for the state shouting out that she'll sue the bus company if she got home late. Teens being incredibly rude and obnoxious. I also have students who talk about their 52-inch tvs at home and wonder why mine is only a 27-incher and why we don't have cable. Fathers who leave their families to shack up with another woman and start another family. And guess who gets the free/reduced breakfast and lunch because they come from broken families. Sorry, ljrd, but it's kind of hard to be sympathetic in these cases.

But perhaps you'll be heartened that I do my racist "penance" each day I walk into the classroom. For I'm told that certain groups of children will act a certain way -- often noted by liberal whites -- and sure enough, they're self-fulfilling prophecy is realized because a double behavioral standard is created depending upon race.

So, ljrd, a a proposition (tongue in cheek). You spend a week up here in the la-la liberal land of Madison, and I'll come down to Birmingham, is it. Maybe we can each get a different perspective. Because it don't get much more leftist than here. Course, it's still a very segregated city.

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by: swanyriver

10-13-2009 @ 4:30pm

Thank you Helene for this reflection which should cause some soul searching for many "urban ministries" who grew up during this same 25 year time frame. What did we neglect? How can we improve?

by: swanyriver

10-13-2009 @ 4:30pm

Thank you Helene for this reflection which should cause some soul searching for many "urban ministries" who grew up during this same 25 year time frame. What did we neglect? How can we improve?

by: nuclearferret

10-13-2009 @ 7:26pm

"In 1997, at a moment when my then 16-year-old son found himself under threat from a neighborhood gang member, I exercised my racial and class privileges to get him out of the neighborhood."

Class. Period. Are affluent blacks accepting life in the "other" Chicago, either? Are poor whites able to get their children out of these neighborhoods? Only if they happen to have able family living elsewhere.

by: nuclearferret

10-13-2009 @ 7:26pm

"In 1997, at a moment when my then 16-year-old son found himself under threat from a neighborhood gang member, I exercised my racial and class privileges to get him out of the neighborhood."

Class. Period. Are affluent blacks accepting life in the "other" Chicago, either? Are poor whites able to get their children out of these neighborhoods? Only if they happen to have able family living elsewhere.

by: letjusticerolldown

10-13-2009 @ 9:00pm

I guess it has been a privilege of whites to define when race is and is not an issue. When it was important--the entire world had to conform to our notions of race--to the details of what one looked at while walking down the street.

"Oh, it's not important now? Nothing happened--and you certainly better not speak as if it did." The entire world must now conform to this understanding. Race is not an issue. Got it?

by: letjusticerolldown

10-13-2009 @ 9:00pm

I guess it has been a privilege of whites to define when race is and is not an issue. When it was important--the entire world had to conform to our notions of race--to the details of what one looked at while walking down the street.

"Oh, it's not important now? Nothing happened--and you certainly better not speak as if it did." The entire world must now conform to this understanding. Race is not an issue. Got it?

by: ando

10-13-2009 @ 10:06pm

I have travelled to Guatemala twice in the last four years, so it's sort of close to my heart. There, it's said 80 percent of the indigenous rural population is in extreme poverty. As in, not knowing where their next meal might come from. There is inherent racism against the Mayan descendents by the country's elite. In Ethiopia, our adopted daughter had to be given up by her non-Amharic speaking birth mother, because the father had died and I suspect she was running out of milk. The birth mom was making the equivalent of 25 cents a day. It's not hard to have compassion and deep sympathy for such people. Racism plays a role in both cases, as it does throughout the world

Here, I sometimes take the bus. Just today, a middle-schooler dropped an MF-bomb as he was getting off. Just for the hell of it, apparently. Last year, a bus I was on broke down in a tough section of town. I had the "pleasure" of being toward the back. And the colorful language, not only by teens but by adults, was something to behold. A woman who worked for the state shouting out that she'll sue the bus company if she got home late. Teens being incredibly rude and obnoxious. I also have students who talk about their 52-inch tvs at home and wonder why mine is only a 27-incher and why we don't have cable. Fathers who leave their families to shack up with another woman and start another family. And guess who gets the free/reduced breakfast and lunch because they come from broken families. Sorry, ljrd, but it's kind of hard to be sympathetic in these cases.

But perhaps you'll be heartened that I do my racist "penance" each day I walk into the classroom. For I'm told that certain groups of children will act a certain way -- often noted by liberal whites -- and sure enough, they're self-fulfilling prophecy is realized because a double behavioral standard is created depending upon race.

So, ljrd, a a proposition (tongue in cheek). You spend a week up here in the la-la liberal land of Madison, and I'll come down to Birmingham, is it. Maybe we can each get a different perspective. Because it don't get much more leftist than here. Course, it's still a very segregated city.

by: ando

10-13-2009 @ 10:06pm

I have travelled to Guatemala twice in the last four years, so it's sort of close to my heart. There, it's said 80 percent of the indigenous rural population is in extreme poverty. As in, not knowing where their next meal might come from. There is inherent racism against the Mayan descendents by the country's elite. In Ethiopia, our adopted daughter had to be given up by her non-Amharic speaking birth mother, because the father had died and I suspect she was running out of milk. The birth mom was making the equivalent of 25 cents a day. It's not hard to have compassion and deep sympathy for such people. Racism plays a role in both cases, as it does throughout the world

Here, I sometimes take the bus. Just today, a middle-schooler dropped an MF-bomb as he was getting off. Just for the hell of it, apparently. Last year, a bus I was on broke down in a tough section of town. I had the "pleasure" of being toward the back. And the colorful language, not only by teens but by adults, was something to behold. A woman who worked for the state shouting out that she'll sue the bus company if she got home late. Teens being incredibly rude and obnoxious. I also have students who talk about their 52-inch tvs at home and wonder why mine is only a 27-incher and why we don't have cable. Fathers who leave their families to shack up with another woman and start another family. And guess who gets the free/reduced breakfast and lunch because they come from broken families. Sorry, ljrd, but it's kind of hard to be sympathetic in these cases.

But perhaps you'll be heartened that I do my racist "penance" each day I walk into the classroom. For I'm told that certain groups of children will act a certain way -- often noted by liberal whites -- and sure enough, they're self-fulfilling prophecy is realized because a double behavioral standard is created depending upon race.

So, ljrd, a a proposition (tongue in cheek). You spend a week up here in the la-la liberal land of Madison, and I'll come down to Birmingham, is it. Maybe we can each get a different perspective. Because it don't get much more leftist than here. Course, it's still a very segregated city.

by: Stephen Kimball

10-13-2009 @ 10:44pm

About 11 years ago I lived and worked in Woodlawn on Chicago's Southside. I was working with youth there. Since leaving, one of the kids, my downstairs neighbor, was murdered. This summer, the father of two of the young people I worked with was murdered as well.

Thank you for calling attention to what is gong on in Chicago.

by: Stephen Kimball

10-13-2009 @ 10:44pm

About 11 years ago I lived and worked in Woodlawn on Chicago's Southside. I was working with youth there. Since leaving, one of the kids, my downstairs neighbor, was murdered. This summer, the father of two of the young people I worked with was murdered as well.

Thank you for calling attention to what is gong on in Chicago.

by: Lord_Voldemort

10-14-2009 @ 11:41am

And of course, the progressives who have run Chicago for decades have nothing to do with the existence of that other Chicago. Just as the unions have no responsibility for the conditions of the city of Detroit.

It's not enough for the left to "call attention" to the sad state of so many of our cities. They need to start acknowledging that as part of the establishment they bear some responsiblity.

LV

by: Lord_Voldemort

10-14-2009 @ 11:41am

And of course, the progressives who have run Chicago for decades have nothing to do with the existence of that other Chicago. Just as the unions have no responsibility for the conditions of the city of Detroit.

It's not enough for the left to "call attention" to the sad state of so many of our cities. They need to start acknowledging that as part of the establishment they bear some responsiblity.

LV

by: BlueDeacon

10-14-2009 @ 12:07pm

In truth, the problems go back much further than that. In the 1980s when Reagan was President we heard a lot about trickle-down economics and how that would solve the problems of the inner city. Needless to say, it didn't. You see, when people in the inner city hear conservatives say that they need to solve their own problems they understand it's just the old racism coming back. White people who could afford to leave the bad sections of Chicago did so. They don't want to help people who "don't look like them". Trying to blame progressives for this just won't work with people who live in the cities because they know better. It's the racism of conservatism that is at fault.

by: BlueDeacon

10-14-2009 @ 12:07pm

In truth, the problems go back much further than that. In the 1980s when Reagan was President we heard a lot about trickle-down economics and how that would solve the problems of the inner city. Needless to say, it didn't. You see, when people in the inner city hear conservatives say that they need to solve their own problems they understand it's just the old racism coming back. White people who could afford to leave the bad sections of Chicago did so. They don't want to help people who "don't look like them". Trying to blame progressives for this just won't work with people who live in the cities because they know better. It's the racism of conservatism that is at fault.

by: JacobS

10-14-2009 @ 1:39pm

And the black people who could afford to leave the bad sections of Chicago stayed?

by: JacobS

10-14-2009 @ 1:39pm

And the black people who could afford to leave the bad sections of Chicago stayed?

by: ando

10-14-2009 @ 3:49pm

Yeah, let's just automatically blame everything on racism. To paraphrase Joe Biden: The left's strategy is a noun, a verb and racism. That way they can always pass the blame and never be held at fault. Kind of like if David would have blamed his indisgressions on Bathsheba because she looked so beautiful. Eventually, he took responsibility for his own actions.

Oh, and the black middle class did move out. First chance they could get.

by: ando

10-14-2009 @ 3:49pm

Yeah, let's just automatically blame everything on racism. To paraphrase Joe Biden: The left's strategy is a noun, a verb and racism. That way they can always pass the blame and never be held at fault. Kind of like if David would have blamed his indisgressions on Bathsheba because she looked so beautiful. Eventually, he took responsibility for his own actions.

Oh, and the black middle class did move out. First chance they could get.

by: BlueDeacon

10-14-2009 @ 4:54pm

That's besides the point.

by: BlueDeacon

10-14-2009 @ 4:54pm

That's besides the point.

by: BlueDeacon

10-14-2009 @ 4:59pm

No. You see, conservatives have always played the race card when other arguments wouldn't work for them. In fact, this goes way back to the 1960s when Lyndon Johnson won blacks over to the Democrats. Ronald Reagan used phrases like states rights to tell racist whites as a code word. In my neighborhood, this means what it means.

by: BlueDeacon

10-14-2009 @ 4:59pm

No. You see, conservatives have always played the race card when other arguments wouldn't work for them. In fact, this goes way back to the 1960s when Lyndon Johnson won blacks over to the Democrats. Ronald Reagan used phrases like states rights to tell racist whites as a code word. In my neighborhood, this means what it means.

by: palmberry

10-14-2009 @ 7:37pm

I am a social work student living in Chicago, and it is very interesting how Chicago can act as an example to many of the things I am learning. There are many social issues/problems that have lead to where Chicago is at right now, as far as violence and its social divide. I could spend all day talking about what needs to be changed etc. But I thought it important to bring some specific information into this discussion.

Middle class blacks probably moved out, which makes sense. Why would they stay if they didnt have to? But if you look at the percentage of black in the middle class, it doesn't really make that much of a difference. For example, in 2006 about 24% of blacks lived below the poverty line(keep in mind the poverty line is not the highest end of the lower class, but just the estimate of what the bare minimum of what is needed to survive). Which is 16% more then whites. Although this percentage is not specifically made about Chicago, it is still important.

Here is some information that was gained form the 2000 census specifically about Chicago and race:

"Yet Chicago's black community faces continued economic challenges. Median household income for blacks was just $29,000 in 2000, versus $37,000 for Hispanics and $49,000 for whites. Chicago has the sixth highest black poverty rate among the 23 Living Cities. The ranks of the "working poor"-families with incomes below 150 percent of poverty-are significant. Behind these economic differences lies a racial education gap; only 13 percent of black adults in Chicago hold bachelor's degrees, compared to 42 percent of whites."

Thank you for your blog, it is always nice to hear personal stories and opinions about whats going on in the city.

by: palmberry

10-14-2009 @ 7:37pm

I am a social work student living in Chicago, and it is very interesting how Chicago can act as an example to many of the things I am learning. There are many social issues/problems that have lead to where Chicago is at right now, as far as violence and its social divide. I could spend all day talking about what needs to be changed etc. But I thought it important to bring some specific information into this discussion.

Middle class blacks probably moved out, which makes sense. Why would they stay if they didnt have to? But if you look at the percentage of black in the middle class, it doesn't really make that much of a difference. For example, in 2006 about 24% of blacks lived below the poverty line(keep in mind the poverty line is not the highest end of the lower class, but just the estimate of what the bare minimum of what is needed to survive). Which is 16% more then whites. Although this percentage is not specifically made about Chicago, it is still important.

Here is some information that was gained form the 2000 census specifically about Chicago and race:

"Yet Chicago's black community faces continued economic challenges. Median household income for blacks was just $29,000 in 2000, versus $37,000 for Hispanics and $49,000 for whites. Chicago has the sixth highest black poverty rate among the 23 Living Cities. The ranks of the "working poor"-families with incomes below 150 percent of poverty-are significant. Behind these economic differences lies a racial education gap; only 13 percent of black adults in Chicago hold bachelor's degrees, compared to 42 percent of whites."

Thank you for your blog, it is always nice to hear personal stories and opinions about whats going on in the city.

by: ando

10-14-2009 @ 9:46pm

Please see Efrem Smith's latest blog (I doubt if Sojourners would dare run it, but who knows?). I see Efrem as a shining light of moderation in the world of Christian bloggers -- along with Eugene Cho.

by: ando

10-14-2009 @ 9:46pm

Please see Efrem Smith's latest blog (I doubt if Sojourners would dare run it, but who knows?). I see Efrem as a shining light of moderation in the world of Christian bloggers -- along with Eugene Cho.

by: johnauer

10-15-2009 @ 3:59pm

What makes us think "progressives" and "liberals" have been leading Chicago's systematic separation and isolation of neighbors and neighborhoods all these years? I served inner-city congregations there 1970-1992. The second Mayor Daley is about to eclipse the tenure of the first -- whose dictate to citizens was, "Don't make no waves, don't back no losers."
Except for the brief, promising interval of Mayor Harold Washington, whose first-term governance was frozen by racial opposition (He was "Vrdolyacked!"), Chicago has been a benevolent oligarchy of downtown interests and operatives for generations now. Much local oppositon to the city's own receng Olympics bid reflected resentment at the perennial top-down, corporate managerial way of doing things all things economic and political.
Chicago's neighbors and neighborhoods have been sliced and diced, divided and conquered, and left to their own obscure devices -- ever since the first Mayor Daley famously lined routes to the 1968 convention with walls of plywood so nobody had to look at the ghettoes. Children who think no matter what they do, nobody will be looking at them grow increasingly innured to the risks of destroying themselves and each other. This is a job for Jesus.

by: johnauer

10-15-2009 @ 3:59pm

What makes us think "progressives" and "liberals" have been leading Chicago's systematic separation and isolation of neighbors and neighborhoods all these years? I served inner-city congregations there 1970-1992. The second Mayor Daley is about to eclipse the tenure of the first -- whose dictate to citizens was, "Don't make no waves, don't back no losers."
Except for the brief, promising interval of Mayor Harold Washington, whose first-term governance was frozen by racial opposition (He was "Vrdolyacked!"), Chicago has been a benevolent oligarchy of downtown interests and operatives for generations now. Much local oppositon to the city's own receng Olympics bid reflected resentment at the perennial top-down, corporate managerial way of doing things all things economic and political.
Chicago's neighbors and neighborhoods have been sliced and diced, divided and conquered, and left to their own obscure devices -- ever since the first Mayor Daley famously lined routes to the 1968 convention with walls of plywood so nobody had to look at the ghettoes. Children who think no matter what they do, nobody will be looking at them grow increasingly innured to the risks of destroying themselves and each other. This is a job for Jesus.

by: palmberry

10-16-2009 @ 3:47am

John well said, I agree.

by: palmberry

10-16-2009 @ 3:47am

John well said, I agree.

by: palmberry

10-16-2009 @ 5:47am

John well said, I agree.

by: palmberry

10-16-2009 @ 5:47am

John well said, I agree.