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God Does not Heed my Snotty Opinions About Evangelicals

How hard it is for the rich to enter the kingdom of God says Jesus. How hard it is for us who are self-reliant and smug to accept how utterly dependent we are on God. How hard it is for those of us who don't actually need God to see God. How hard it is for us for whom comfort (material, financial and physical) insulates us from the daily bread reality of our creator. How hard it is for those of us who dedicate ourselves to being good social justice activists to surrender to a God who is likely unimpressed with our busyness. How hard it is for the powerful to see life abundant in giving away power. How hard it is to die and be re-born.

So who can enter the kingdom on their own? Who among us has done the hard things necessary to inherit eternal life? Who among us has sold all we have and given it to the poor? Who among us has, as the reading from Mark a couple weeks ago suggested, who has hacked off our own feet and hands to ensure our salvation?

If we try to read the discipleship texts from Mark as a personal salvation manual, then we imagine that it is we who must cut off our hands and feet, gouge out our own eyes, give away all our possessions and shrink our camel-sized selves down to needle eye size. But in fact it tends to be God who does this for us -- who prunes us, feeds us, cuts us and our bank accounts down to size and shapes us. It tends to be God and not us who does the impossible.

Crazy things go on when we are part of this kingdom of God. For instance, I never had any desire to befriend evangelical pastors. If I'd tried to figure out on my own how to get saved and Jesus had said, Nadia, for your personal salvation management program you must become friends with evangelical pastors... If Jesus had said, you must preach at their churches, collaborate on a prayer book, and develop fondness and respect for people whose theology and worship looks like it's from another planet entirely... If Jesus HAD said this to me I would go away shocked and grieving. For I have many snotty opinions about these people, and I'm honestly as comfortable with my opinions as that rich guy was with his wealth. I am perfectly happy not liking evangelicals.

I'm also quite happy to not like Missouri Synod Lutherans -- especially, for instance, ones who have radio shows in which they tear apart my sermons and basically call me a heretic for being a woman pastor. Who is exactly the guy I met yesterday at the conference where I was speaking; presumably he was there to get more fuel for his little radio show. I knew he was there and I did not want to engage with him. Why? He spent an entire half hour of a radio show picking apart my sermon on the ELCA Churchwide Assembly. I had never met him, but I don't like him. Yet God paid this very little attention recently when, despite us both, my LCMS detractor/conservative Christian radio host and I had a 30 minute conversation filled with grace and honesty and in which twice he shed tears. We spoke of how desperate we both are for the gospel. Desperate enough to hear it even from each other. It's weird that beautiful conversation happened at all since it's basically impossible.

And yet God went ahead and did this for me -- put me and my enemy face to face. And in the past six months God has sent me a bunch of evangelicals to be my brothers and sisters, to have meals with, to love. This is what happens when God does the impossible and like the disciples, we get swept up into it. Our Small Catechism says that I believe that I cannot by my own understanding or effort come to my Lord Jesus or believe in him but the Holy Spirit has called me though the gospel and enlightened me with the spirit's gifts.

The impossible is what happens when the Holy Spirit calls us through the gospel and enlightens us with the Spirit's gifts. I believe that by my own understanding or effort I cannot sell all I have and give it to the poor. I believe by my own understanding or effort I cannot have beautiful collaborative collegial relationships with evangelicals, or have grace-filled conversations with my enemies. For me this is impossible; for you this is impossible; for God, not so much.

So like the rich man, what must we do to inherit eternal life? Still be alive after the other guy dies. In other words, in this life of discipleship, we will die and be reborn again and again in the death and resurrection of Christ as God sweeps us up again and again into the crazy impossible. So watch those bank accounts brothers and sisters, and those snotty opinions, and your so-called enemies, and those plans and management programs. Because seriously -- who knows what crazy thing's gonna happen.

This article is an edited adaptation of a recent sermon.

Nadia Bolz-WeberNadia Bolz-Weber is a Lutheran pastor living in Denver, Colorado, where she serves the emerging church, House for all Sinners and Saints. She blogs at www.sarcasticlutheran.com and is the author of Salvation on the Small Screen? 24 Hours of Christian Television. This article is an edited adaptation of a recent sermon.

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by: facebook-40400064

10-22-2009 @ 7:35pm

That's exactly what I meant. Thanks Peter :)

by: facebook-40400064

10-22-2009 @ 6:52pm

But if we read Scripture "plainly" it says that Paul does not allow women to speak in church. It seems to me that a "plain" reading prohibits women pastors, or at least gives contradictory information (if you take into account women judges like Deborah, or Paul's assertion that there is no male or female, Greek or Jew; etc.).

by: facebook-40400064

10-22-2009 @ 6:55pm

Amen.

by: PeterfromMI

10-22-2009 @ 7:07pm

That's why God gave us consciences, compassion, reason and common sense. Taking an absolutist position on biblical literacy even to the extent that you are shutting out women's spiritual gifts is not honoring God's gifts. It's a pharisaic approach to the Christian life that is ultimately self-serving to those who promote it.

by: ando

10-22-2009 @ 7:23pm

Just who are these darn evangelicals anyway? there's the evangelical covenant church -- Eugene Cho and Efrem Smith are pastors -- where I've been a member for several years. Many members of EC demonination certainly are not partisan Republicans.

Our city is home to the InterVarsity Christian Fellowship headquarters, an evangelical group working with undergrads and grads across the country. the IVCF member/staff s I know are either not partisan Republicans or they're most likely to vote Democrat. The issue then is that Nadia Bolz-Weber has decided that her definition of evangelical is someone she just doesn't agree with politically. And there's the rub. Many Christian organizations and churches have lasted for decades and even centuries even though members did not agree on politics. Bread for the World gets bipartisan support in Congress precisely because they don't seek to drive a political wedge between members. Same with a myriad of other organizations/churches.

To bad Ms. Bolz-Weber hasn't met many of these people up until the last 6 months. Glad to see she's broadening her circle, though.

by: facebook-40400064

10-22-2009 @ 7:35pm

That's exactly what I meant. Thanks Peter :)

by: NC77

10-22-2009 @ 9:43pm

Nadia wrote:

"Who among us has, as the reading from Mark a couple weeks ago suggested, who has hacked off our own feet and hands to ensure our salvation?"

That passage in Mark is not about salvation (i.e., it is not what saves us). It is a parable about removing the obstacles that would prevent you from entering the kingdom of God. Not to be taken literally, but to be taken spiritually by putting to death the sins of the flesh and living a resurrected life (sanctified and holy) through the Holy Spirit

Nadia wrote;

"And yet God went ahead and did this for me - put me and my enemy face to face. And in the past six months God has sent me a bunch of evangelicals to be my brothers and sisters, to have meals with, to love. This is what happens when God does the impossible and like the disciples, we get swept up into it."

Yes, God does love you that much. What is happening to you is that God is working hard to bring you into His kingdom and He is using these "evangelical" people to bring about His will for you. He wants you in the kingdom and to give you eterenal life. Rejoice!!! you are a chosen one. On the day you hear his voice, do not harden your heart and turn away.

When you recieve Jesus and you know His spirit has entered your heart, read Ephesians 1:3-14 and you will understand what God has done for you through His son Jesus.

And the really beautiful thing is your ministry will be filled with God's glory and grow in ways you cannot imagine.

Praying for you.

by: SFR

10-22-2009 @ 10:21pm

Hey, didn't you get it? She was being humble.

by: NC77

10-22-2009 @ 9:43pm

Nadia wrote:

"Who among us has, as the reading from Mark a couple weeks ago suggested, who has hacked off our own feet and hands to ensure our salvation?"

That passage in Mark is not about salvation (i.e., it is not what saves us). It is a parable about removing the obstacles that would prevent you from entering the kingdom of God. Not to be taken literally, but to be taken spiritually by putting to death the sins of the flesh and living a resurrected life (sanctified and holy) through the Holy Spirit

Nadia wrote;

"And yet God went ahead and did this for me - put me and my enemy face to face. And in the past six months God has sent me a bunch of evangelicals to be my brothers and sisters, to have meals with, to love. This is what happens when God does the impossible and like the disciples, we get swept up into it."

Yes, God does love you that much. What is happening to you is that God is working hard to bring you into His kingdom and He is using these "evangelical" people to bring about His will for you. He wants you in the kingdom and to give you eterenal life. Rejoice!!! you are a chosen one. On the day you hear his voice, do not harden your heart and turn away.

When you recieve Jesus and you know His spirit has entered your heart, read Ephesians 1:3-14 and you will understand what God has done for you through His son Jesus.

And the really beautiful thing is your ministry will be filled with God's glory and grow in ways you cannot imagine.

Praying for you.

by: SFR

10-22-2009 @ 10:21pm

Hey, didn't you get it? She was being humble.

by: irish_annie

10-23-2009 @ 3:10am

the best article i've ever read on sojourners. namaste.

by: irish_annie

10-23-2009 @ 3:10am

the best article i've ever read on sojourners. namaste.

by: MartinJapan

10-23-2009 @ 8:08am

Nadia,

Thank you for your article, it made a very good point. I think it is good for us to strip our faith down sometimes to the most basic issues: Love God, Love others. That much even draws the Muslims and Jews in! Then if you can agree that our salvation comes through Jesus, you've got more than 90% of our basic articles of faith and salvation as Christians!

It's possible that many of us are having some experiences somewhat on the order of what you've written about. I know I have! I think that it is a mark of what God is doing in this day and age, and also that it is a mark of us growing personally in our relationship with the Lord.

One of the things that I admire about your piece is that you had the faith, humility and conviction to write it and publish it. It is one thing to experience it, but it takes a real stepping out to tell it to the world the way you have done. Thank you!

by: MartinJapan

10-23-2009 @ 8:08am

Nadia,

Thank you for your article, it made a very good point. I think it is good for us to strip our faith down sometimes to the most basic issues: Love God, Love others. That much even draws the Muslims and Jews in! Then if you can agree that our salvation comes through Jesus, you've got more than 90% of our basic articles of faith and salvation as Christians!

It's possible that many of us are having some experiences somewhat on the order of what you've written about. I know I have! I think that it is a mark of what God is doing in this day and age, and also that it is a mark of us growing personally in our relationship with the Lord.

One of the things that I admire about your piece is that you had the faith, humility and conviction to write it and publish it. It is one thing to experience it, but it takes a real stepping out to tell it to the world the way you have done. Thank you!

by: abasch

10-26-2009 @ 8:54pm

I really appreciate this article. It is refreshing to hear about the miracles God is doing in your life. The Church is really starting to come together these days, and it is amazing that Christians of all walks of life are uniting for the Gospel. :)

To all the discussion involving scripture:

I would encourage studying it's context and accepting as truth the conclusions. Some scripture is easy, some is not so easy - and we are all accountable to God to do right by Him.

by: Mennoman

10-23-2009 @ 8:21am

Thank you for this heart-felt, moving blog post.

by: abasch

10-26-2009 @ 6:54pm

I really appreciate this article. It is refreshing to hear about the miracles God is doing in your life. The Church is really starting to come together these days, and it is amazing that Christians of all walks of life are uniting for the Gospel. :)

To all the discussion involving scripture:

I would encourage studying it's context and accepting as truth the conclusions. Some scripture is easy, some is not so easy - and we are all accountable to God to do right by Him.

by: mandieoliver

10-26-2009 @ 2:15pm

wow. beautiful! i will be honest and admit that i was wanting to not like this article. i stand convicted. thank you.

by: BillSamuel

10-26-2009 @ 11:22am

Thanks for your testimony. Praise God!

by: Chris "Jesdisciple"

10-25-2009 @ 4:19pm

Not necessarily what?

by: Chris "Jesdisciple"

10-25-2009 @ 4:17pm

= Weird question. Is an atheist a non-evangelical? Then no.

EDIT: Perhaps you were asking whether all professing Christians are saved; no. I assume that this applies equally to evangelicals and non because I'm not God.

by: NC77

10-24-2009 @ 12:22pm

Not neccesarily. Are all non-evangelicals Christians?

by: Mennoman

10-23-2009 @ 8:21am

Thank you for this heart-felt, moving blog post.

by: NC77

10-24-2009 @ 12:20pm

Not neccesarily.

by: James Chinery

10-24-2009 @ 11:36am

Fantastic article - just what I need to hear right now. Often, when we extend our hand it gets slapped. That's the price. But yet we continue to do it.

God Bless!

by: canucklehead

10-24-2009 @ 3:07am

"God is working hard to bring you into His kingdom"

so all non-evangelicals are outside "His kingdom?"

by: Jesdisciple

10-24-2009 @ 5:57am

Yeah, I sensed some condescension in there myself one or two days ago... At least it's a supportive comment, although I'm not sure how unsupportive someone could get on this issue without being struck by lightning. ;)

by: canucklehead

10-24-2009 @ 3:07am

"God is working hard to bring you into His kingdom"

so all non-evangelicals are outside "His kingdom?"

by: Jesdisciple

10-24-2009 @ 5:57am

Yeah, I sensed some condescension in there myself one or two days ago... At least it's a supportive comment, although I'm not sure how unsupportive someone could get on this issue without being struck by lightning. ;)

by: Trupedo

10-22-2009 @ 1:07pm

That's beautiful. Thanks.

by: ford49

10-22-2009 @ 1:19pm

Bless you!!

by: angelaharms

10-22-2009 @ 2:25pm

Oh, thanks for this, Nadia. I have snotty opinions too, and I'm afraid I'm sometimes as comfortable with them as the rich guy is with his wealth. Appreciating the chance to look at that.

by: abasch

10-26-2009 @ 6:54pm

I really appreciate this article. It is refreshing to hear about the miracles God is doing in your life. The Church is really starting to come together these days, and it is amazing that Christians of all walks of life are uniting for the Gospel. :)

To all the discussion involving scripture:

I would encourage studying it's context and accepting as truth the conclusions. Some scripture is easy, some is not so easy - and we are all accountable to God to do right by Him.

by: mandieoliver

10-26-2009 @ 2:15pm

wow. beautiful! i will be honest and admit that i was wanting to not like this article. i stand convicted. thank you.

by: BillSamuel

10-26-2009 @ 11:22am

Thanks for your testimony. Praise God!

by: schroeder37

10-22-2009 @ 2:49pm

the problem with these snotty ideas is that we at some point have to actually see if they are right or not. Not just say hey we have different ideas but we can still get along. scripture is to me rather simple, unless you make it unsimple. It is rather clear on what is right and wrong in ideas of morality. Many issues argued upon on not that terribly important, the woman being a pastor is one of them. but when it comes to morals, they are very important.

by: Chris "Jesdisciple"

10-25-2009 @ 4:19pm

Not necessarily what?

by: facebook-40400064

10-22-2009 @ 2:57pm

@schroeder37 - A great point, but I think the complication is that some people (members of LCMS, for example) see a woman pastor -as- a moral issue. How do we have respectful dialog about Scripture and morality when we can't agree on what is a moral issue?

by: Chris "Jesdisciple"

10-25-2009 @ 4:17pm

= Weird question. Is an atheist a non-evangelical? Then no.

EDIT: Perhaps you were asking whether all professing Christians are saved; no. I assume that this applies equally to evangelicals and non because I'm not God.

by: abasch

10-26-2009 @ 8:54pm

I really appreciate this article. It is refreshing to hear about the miracles God is doing in your life. The Church is really starting to come together these days, and it is amazing that Christians of all walks of life are uniting for the Gospel. :)

To all the discussion involving scripture:

I would encourage studying it's context and accepting as truth the conclusions. Some scripture is easy, some is not so easy - and we are all accountable to God to do right by Him.

by: NC77

10-24-2009 @ 12:22pm

Not neccesarily. Are all non-evangelicals Christians?

by: BlueDeacon

10-22-2009 @ 3:01pm

That depends on what you mean by "morality." Often depending on where you are on the food chain you're doing to emphasize different things. And it's not sufficient to quote Scripture; its immediate context has to be understood.

by: NC77

10-24-2009 @ 12:20pm

Not neccesarily.

by: Trupedo

10-22-2009 @ 1:07pm

That's beautiful. Thanks.

by: James Chinery

10-24-2009 @ 11:36am

Fantastic article - just what I need to hear right now. Often, when we extend our hand it gets slapped. That's the price. But yet we continue to do it.

God Bless!

by: ford49

10-22-2009 @ 1:19pm

Bless you!!

by: angelaharms

10-22-2009 @ 2:25pm

Oh, thanks for this, Nadia. I have snotty opinions too, and I'm afraid I'm sometimes as comfortable with them as the rich guy is with his wealth. Appreciating the chance to look at that.

by: schroeder37

10-22-2009 @ 2:49pm

the problem with these snotty ideas is that we at some point have to actually see if they are right or not. Not just say hey we have different ideas but we can still get along. scripture is to me rather simple, unless you make it unsimple. It is rather clear on what is right and wrong in ideas of morality. Many issues argued upon on not that terribly important, the woman being a pastor is one of them. but when it comes to morals, they are very important.

by: facebook-40400064

10-22-2009 @ 2:57pm

@schroeder37 - A great point, but I think the complication is that some people (members of LCMS, for example) see a woman pastor -as- a moral issue. How do we have respectful dialog about Scripture and morality when we can't agree on what is a moral issue?

by: schroeder37

10-22-2009 @ 3:48pm

like I said scripture is not complicated. It is only made this way becasue we humans want the control. We could go on and on with this idea of what is and what isnt. I think it is plain to read. Thats why we discuss and pray and reflect. we just have to do this without us being in control. the truth really sucks sometimes, and really hard to see at times. the devil knows what he is doing, sad to say.

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by: Trupedo

10-22-2009 @ 1:07pm

That's beautiful. Thanks.

by: Trupedo

10-22-2009 @ 1:07pm

That's beautiful. Thanks.

by: ford49

10-22-2009 @ 1:19pm

Bless you!!

by: ford49

10-22-2009 @ 1:19pm

Bless you!!

by: angelaharms

10-22-2009 @ 2:25pm

Oh, thanks for this, Nadia. I have snotty opinions too, and I'm afraid I'm sometimes as comfortable with them as the rich guy is with his wealth. Appreciating the chance to look at that.

by: angelaharms

10-22-2009 @ 2:25pm

Oh, thanks for this, Nadia. I have snotty opinions too, and I'm afraid I'm sometimes as comfortable with them as the rich guy is with his wealth. Appreciating the chance to look at that.

by: schroeder37

10-22-2009 @ 2:49pm

the problem with these snotty ideas is that we at some point have to actually see if they are right or not. Not just say hey we have different ideas but we can still get along. scripture is to me rather simple, unless you make it unsimple. It is rather clear on what is right and wrong in ideas of morality. Many issues argued upon on not that terribly important, the woman being a pastor is one of them. but when it comes to morals, they are very important.

by: schroeder37

10-22-2009 @ 2:49pm

the problem with these snotty ideas is that we at some point have to actually see if they are right or not. Not just say hey we have different ideas but we can still get along. scripture is to me rather simple, unless you make it unsimple. It is rather clear on what is right and wrong in ideas of morality. Many issues argued upon on not that terribly important, the woman being a pastor is one of them. but when it comes to morals, they are very important.

by: facebook-40400064

10-22-2009 @ 2:57pm

@schroeder37 - A great point, but I think the complication is that some people (members of LCMS, for example) see a woman pastor -as- a moral issue. How do we have respectful dialog about Scripture and morality when we can't agree on what is a moral issue?

by: facebook-40400064

10-22-2009 @ 2:57pm

@schroeder37 - A great point, but I think the complication is that some people (members of LCMS, for example) see a woman pastor -as- a moral issue. How do we have respectful dialog about Scripture and morality when we can't agree on what is a moral issue?

by: BlueDeacon

10-22-2009 @ 3:01pm

That depends on what you mean by "morality." Often depending on where you are on the food chain you're doing to emphasize different things. And it's not sufficient to quote Scripture; its immediate context has to be understood.

by: BlueDeacon

10-22-2009 @ 3:01pm

That depends on what you mean by "morality." Often depending on where you are on the food chain you're doing to emphasize different things. And it's not sufficient to quote Scripture; its immediate context has to be understood.

by: schroeder37

10-22-2009 @ 3:48pm

like I said scripture is not complicated. It is only made this way becasue we humans want the control. We could go on and on with this idea of what is and what isnt. I think it is plain to read. Thats why we discuss and pray and reflect. we just have to do this without us being in control. the truth really sucks sometimes, and really hard to see at times. the devil knows what he is doing, sad to say.

by: schroeder37

10-22-2009 @ 3:48pm

like I said scripture is not complicated. It is only made this way becasue we humans want the control. We could go on and on with this idea of what is and what isnt. I think it is plain to read. Thats why we discuss and pray and reflect. we just have to do this without us being in control. the truth really sucks sometimes, and really hard to see at times. the devil knows what he is doing, sad to say.

by: schroeder37

10-22-2009 @ 3:51pm

thats becasue when you say "MORAL" it has a much stronger emotional feeling involved. which is why it is used in this health care debate and other views. emotionalism is a rather strong rally point. It just gets in the way alot in the department of descernment. the devil sure is good at what he does isnt he.

by: schroeder37

10-22-2009 @ 3:51pm

thats becasue when you say "MORAL" it has a much stronger emotional feeling involved. which is why it is used in this health care debate and other views. emotionalism is a rather strong rally point. It just gets in the way alot in the department of descernment. the devil sure is good at what he does isnt he.

by: elise_anne

10-22-2009 @ 3:56pm

That was amazing.

What a fresh glimpse of that scripture passage and of my own snotty opinions.

thank you!

by: elise_anne

10-22-2009 @ 3:56pm

That was amazing.

What a fresh glimpse of that scripture passage and of my own snotty opinions.

thank you!

by: BlueDeacon

10-22-2009 @ 4:56pm

The devil isn't really all that interested in "morality" because he can use even that for his own dark purposes (and often has done so). On the other hand, the heart of the gospel is, really, reconciliation, which the devil simply cannot handle because he is divisive by nature.

by: BlueDeacon

10-22-2009 @ 4:56pm

The devil isn't really all that interested in "morality" because he can use even that for his own dark purposes (and often has done so). On the other hand, the heart of the gospel is, really, reconciliation, which the devil simply cannot handle because he is divisive by nature.

by: darkmoses

10-22-2009 @ 5:14pm

Thanks for speaking the truth, sister. We're all beggars, after all.

by: darkmoses

10-22-2009 @ 5:14pm

Thanks for speaking the truth, sister. We're all beggars, after all.

by: facebook-40400064

10-22-2009 @ 6:52pm

But if we read Scripture "plainly" it says that Paul does not allow women to speak in church. It seems to me that a "plain" reading prohibits women pastors, or at least gives contradictory information (if you take into account women judges like Deborah, or Paul's assertion that there is no male or female, Greek or Jew; etc.).

by: facebook-40400064

10-22-2009 @ 6:52pm

But if we read Scripture "plainly" it says that Paul does not allow women to speak in church. It seems to me that a "plain" reading prohibits women pastors, or at least gives contradictory information (if you take into account women judges like Deborah, or Paul's assertion that there is no male or female, Greek or Jew; etc.).

by: facebook-40400064

10-22-2009 @ 6:55pm

Amen.

by: facebook-40400064

10-22-2009 @ 6:55pm

Amen.

by: PeterfromMI

10-22-2009 @ 7:07pm

That's why God gave us consciences, compassion, reason and common sense. Taking an absolutist position on biblical literacy even to the extent that you are shutting out women's spiritual gifts is not honoring God's gifts. It's a pharisaic approach to the Christian life that is ultimately self-serving to those who promote it.

by: PeterfromMI

10-22-2009 @ 7:07pm

That's why God gave us consciences, compassion, reason and common sense. Taking an absolutist position on biblical literacy even to the extent that you are shutting out women's spiritual gifts is not honoring God's gifts. It's a pharisaic approach to the Christian life that is ultimately self-serving to those who promote it.

by: ando

10-22-2009 @ 7:23pm

Just who are these darn evangelicals anyway? there's the evangelical covenant church -- Eugene Cho and Efrem Smith are pastors -- where I've been a member for several years. Many members of EC demonination certainly are not partisan Republicans.

Our city is home to the InterVarsity Christian Fellowship headquarters, an evangelical group working with undergrads and grads across the country. the IVCF member/staff s I know are either not partisan Republicans or they're most likely to vote Democrat. The issue then is that Nadia Bolz-Weber has decided that her definition of evangelical is someone she just doesn't agree with politically. And there's the rub. Many Christian organizations and churches have lasted for decades and even centuries even though members did not agree on politics. Bread for the World gets bipartisan support in Congress precisely because they don't seek to drive a political wedge between members. Same with a myriad of other organizations/churches.

To bad Ms. Bolz-Weber hasn't met many of these people up until the last 6 months. Glad to see she's broadening her circle, though.

by: ando

10-22-2009 @ 7:23pm

Just who are these darn evangelicals anyway? there's the evangelical covenant church -- Eugene Cho and Efrem Smith are pastors -- where I've been a member for several years. Many members of EC demonination certainly are not partisan Republicans.

Our city is home to the InterVarsity Christian Fellowship headquarters, an evangelical group working with undergrads and grads across the country. the IVCF member/staff s I know are either not partisan Republicans or they're most likely to vote Democrat. The issue then is that Nadia Bolz-Weber has decided that her definition of evangelical is someone she just doesn't agree with politically. And there's the rub. Many Christian organizations and churches have lasted for decades and even centuries even though members did not agree on politics. Bread for the World gets bipartisan support in Congress precisely because they don't seek to drive a political wedge between members. Same with a myriad of other organizations/churches.

To bad Ms. Bolz-Weber hasn't met many of these people up until the last 6 months. Glad to see she's broadening her circle, though.

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10-22-2009 @ 7:24pm

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10-22-2009 @ 7:35pm

That's exactly what I meant. Thanks Peter :)

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10-22-2009 @ 7:35pm

That's exactly what I meant. Thanks Peter :)

by: NC77

10-22-2009 @ 9:43pm

Nadia wrote:

"Who among us has, as the reading from Mark a couple weeks ago suggested, who has hacked off our own feet and hands to ensure our salvation?"

That passage in Mark is not about salvation (i.e., it is not what saves us). It is a parable about removing the obstacles that would prevent you from entering the kingdom of God. Not to be taken literally, but to be taken spiritually by putting to death the sins of the flesh and living a resurrected life (sanctified and holy) through the Holy Spirit

Nadia wrote;

"And yet God went ahead and did this for me - put me and my enemy face to face. And in the past six months God has sent me a bunch of evangelicals to be my brothers and sisters, to have meals with, to love. This is what happens when God does the impossible and like the disciples, we get swept up into it."

Yes, God does love you that much. What is happening to you is that God is working hard to bring you into His kingdom and He is using these "evangelical" people to bring about His will for you. He wants you in the kingdom and to give you eterenal life. Rejoice!!! you are a chosen one. On the day you hear his voice, do not harden your heart and turn away.

When you recieve Jesus and you know His spirit has entered your heart, read Ephesians 1:3-14 and you will understand what God has done for you through His son Jesus.

And the really beautiful thing is your ministry will be filled with God's glory and grow in ways you cannot imagine.

Praying for you.

by: NC77

10-22-2009 @ 9:43pm

Nadia wrote:

"Who among us has, as the reading from Mark a couple weeks ago suggested, who has hacked off our own feet and hands to ensure our salvation?"

That passage in Mark is not about salvation (i.e., it is not what saves us). It is a parable about removing the obstacles that would prevent you from entering the kingdom of God. Not to be taken literally, but to be taken spiritually by putting to death the sins of the flesh and living a resurrected life (sanctified and holy) through the Holy Spirit

Nadia wrote;

"And yet God went ahead and did this for me - put me and my enemy face to face. And in the past six months God has sent me a bunch of evangelicals to be my brothers and sisters, to have meals with, to love. This is what happens when God does the impossible and like the disciples, we get swept up into it."

Yes, God does love you that much. What is happening to you is that God is working hard to bring you into His kingdom and He is using these "evangelical" people to bring about His will for you. He wants you in the kingdom and to give you eterenal life. Rejoice!!! you are a chosen one. On the day you hear his voice, do not harden your heart and turn away.

When you recieve Jesus and you know His spirit has entered your heart, read Ephesians 1:3-14 and you will understand what God has done for you through His son Jesus.

And the really beautiful thing is your ministry will be filled with God's glory and grow in ways you cannot imagine.

Praying for you.

by: SFR

10-22-2009 @ 10:21pm

Hey, didn't you get it? She was being humble.

by: SFR

10-22-2009 @ 10:21pm

Hey, didn't you get it? She was being humble.

by: irish_annie

10-23-2009 @ 3:10am

the best article i've ever read on sojourners. namaste.

by: irish_annie

10-23-2009 @ 3:10am

the best article i've ever read on sojourners. namaste.

by: MartinJapan

10-23-2009 @ 8:08am

Nadia,

Thank you for your article, it made a very good point. I think it is good for us to strip our faith down sometimes to the most basic issues: Love God, Love others. That much even draws the Muslims and Jews in! Then if you can agree that our salvation comes through Jesus, you've got more than 90% of our basic articles of faith and salvation as Christians!

It's possible that many of us are having some experiences somewhat on the order of what you've written about. I know I have! I think that it is a mark of what God is doing in this day and age, and also that it is a mark of us growing personally in our relationship with the Lord.

One of the things that I admire about your piece is that you had the faith, humility and conviction to write it and publish it. It is one thing to experience it, but it takes a real stepping out to tell it to the world the way you have done. Thank you!

by: MartinJapan

10-23-2009 @ 8:08am

Nadia,

Thank you for your article, it made a very good point. I think it is good for us to strip our faith down sometimes to the most basic issues: Love God, Love others. That much even draws the Muslims and Jews in! Then if you can agree that our salvation comes through Jesus, you've got more than 90% of our basic articles of faith and salvation as Christians!

It's possible that many of us are having some experiences somewhat on the order of what you've written about. I know I have! I think that it is a mark of what God is doing in this day and age, and also that it is a mark of us growing personally in our relationship with the Lord.

One of the things that I admire about your piece is that you had the faith, humility and conviction to write it and publish it. It is one thing to experience it, but it takes a real stepping out to tell it to the world the way you have done. Thank you!

by: Mennoman

10-23-2009 @ 8:21am

Thank you for this heart-felt, moving blog post.

by: Mennoman

10-23-2009 @ 8:21am

Thank you for this heart-felt, moving blog post.

by: canucklehead

10-24-2009 @ 3:07am

"God is working hard to bring you into His kingdom"

so all non-evangelicals are outside "His kingdom?"

by: canucklehead

10-24-2009 @ 3:07am

"God is working hard to bring you into His kingdom"

so all non-evangelicals are outside "His kingdom?"

by: Jesdisciple

10-24-2009 @ 5:57am

Yeah, I sensed some condescension in there myself one or two days ago... At least it's a supportive comment, although I'm not sure how unsupportive someone could get on this issue without being struck by lightning. ;)

by: Jesdisciple

10-24-2009 @ 5:57am

Yeah, I sensed some condescension in there myself one or two days ago... At least it's a supportive comment, although I'm not sure how unsupportive someone could get on this issue without being struck by lightning. ;)

by: James Chinery

10-24-2009 @ 11:36am

Fantastic article - just what I need to hear right now. Often, when we extend our hand it gets slapped. That's the price. But yet we continue to do it.

God Bless!

by: James Chinery

10-24-2009 @ 11:36am

Fantastic article - just what I need to hear right now. Often, when we extend our hand it gets slapped. That's the price. But yet we continue to do it.

God Bless!

by: NC77

10-24-2009 @ 12:20pm

Not neccesarily.