Check out this evocative new ad produced by the American Values Network. It makes an important statement about our priorities in the health-care debate. I encourage you to share it with your friends.
A couple of things here. those against reform, as they say arent against "reform" they are against what obama is putting out as reform. his is not reform it creating a new system. A single payer system, which he is on record as saying he wants. So what he said in his campaign was a lie. He said he would give us what they have in congress. Well what they have is what we have but they arent limited to who they can get it from and other things that apparently work seeing how they refuse to sign on to the plan they want to give us. REFORM yes obama plan no. its a scam too bring us into a single payer plan like canada. Which will not work nor can we afford even if it would work. deception, i think that is a sin. emotionalism seems to work but its generally a deception becuase there are no facts to back it up. But in saying that reform is needed. Just not what this administration is after.
"The politicians bear false witness,
special interests reap the profits of fear, protesters silence debate."
I will express my disagreements with other community members' ideas without insulting, mocking, or slandering them personally.
Does this standard only apply to commenters? How does this video add to the debate? It only demonizes the opposition.
I would say that it is lying to promise one thing and then push something completly different say one thing and then say you didnt say it. Nothing being pushed is anything like what he spoke about in his campaign. agree or disagree. is what is being pushed anything like what congress has. true or false. the deathh panel issue was over hyped or mistermed, or misunderstood. the death panels I believe were more of what would eventually happen, because we probably will run out of money. and it was a "term' used to discribe a panel that would discide if what your needing is worth "considering" we are kindof out of money now. Yea maybe it was a bit strong but nothing more then we see on the other side with what bush ever said or did. he was satan remember. It was a "concern" that this system would eventually create a sort of "death panel' to deal with its lack of money. sounds a bit reasonable, how else would they deal with it. you can only tax so much right.
A couple of things here. those against reform, as they say arent against "reform" they are against what obama is putting out as reform. his is not reform it creating a new system. A single payer system, which he is on record as saying he wants. So what he said in his campaign was a lie. He said he would give us what they have in congress. Well what they have is what we have but they arent limited to who they can get it from and other things that apparently work seeing how they refuse to sign on to the plan they want to give us. REFORM yes obama plan no. its a scam too bring us into a single payer plan like canada. Which will not work nor can we afford even if it would work. deception, i think that is a sin. emotionalism seems to work but its generally a deception becuase there are no facts to back it up. But in saying that reform is needed. Just not what this administration is after.
"The politicians bear false witness,
special interests reap the profits of fear, protesters silence debate."
I will express my disagreements with other community members' ideas without insulting, mocking, or slandering them personally.
Does this standard only apply to commenters? How does this video add to the debate? It only demonizes the opposition.
no it wasnt that good. like the poster said if your for obama your like it if not you wont. But i guess you dont mind obama lying to everyone to get what he wants. Well if it goes through it will eventually. that is if he was telling the truth to the people he said he was for single payer. the unions or planned parenthood dont remember which.
no it wasnt that good. like the poster said if your for obama your like it if not you wont. But i guess you dont mind obama lying to everyone to get what he wants. Well if it goes through it will eventually. that is if he was telling the truth to the people he said he was for single payer. the unions or planned parenthood dont remember which.
My thoughts exactly, kansasmennonite. It's really not that incendiary- it's what's really happening. The human cost of obstructionism and yes, bearing false witness and stifling debate, as we witnessed with the town hall meetings this summer.
Perhaps these folks should take a good hard look at their consciences' reaction to the human cost. Just a suggestion.
President Obama has says that he has 3 goals for Health Care Reform, they are:1. to cover everyone-none of the proposals in congress do that(illegal alliens are not covered)
2. Lower cost-none of the proposals in congress do that-if you have more consumers and the same or less supply the price will go up.
3. That is will not add to the deficit-this will add to the deficit as the $400 billion in Medicare savings will get kicked down the road.
Also the Bacus bill has 10 years worth of revenues and 7 years of expenses.
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My thoughts exactly, kansasmennonite. It's really not that incendiary- it's what's really happening. The human cost of obstructionism and yes, bearing false witness and stifling debate, as we witnessed with the town hall meetings this summer.
Perhaps these folks should take a good hard look at their consciences' reaction to the human cost. Just a suggestion.
President Obama has says that he has 3 goals for Health Care Reform, they are:1. to cover everyone-none of the proposals in congress do that(illegal alliens are not covered)
2. Lower cost-none of the proposals in congress do that-if you have more consumers and the same or less supply the price will go up.
3. That is will not add to the deficit-this will add to the deficit as the $400 billion in Medicare savings will get kicked down the road.
Also the Bacus bill has 10 years worth of revenues and 7 years of expenses.
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well he said he was for a single payer system, while telling all of us in his campaign that he wanted to give us what congress has, which is what we have now just down a lot better. then asked if said he was for single payer said we isnt. He is a liar. nothing in any of the bills pushed do anything he has said he wants. including a single payer. again he is a liar. He touts abill when there isnt even a bill out there to tout about. again a liar.
No, they didn't, because we aren't debating how to provide them with health care, we're debating how to provide health care insurance. The two aren't the same.
The poor can recieve health care at minimal cost through a range of free clinics, government programs, and hospital emergency rooms right now. It is, I'll admit, a less than optimal way of doing things and I'm open to reforms -- as long as they don't blow up a health care system that works reasonably well for the vast majority of citizens. But this isn't a humanitarian crisis on a scale that would justify rushing through a half-baked health care plan based on little more than faith that anything run by Washington will be wonderful.
As you are probably aware the handle is a reference to the villian of the Harry Potter books. I fully recognize that I'm considered a Bad Person here for my less than romantic views of government. I am embracing the role of the heavy for you guys. I find it kind of liberating.
LV
The term "conspiracy theory" has morphed into a derogatory slam against anyone who points out the possibility of ulterior motives...but ulterior motives abound in politics. Whatever you want to call it, it should be clear to anyone who is watching that Obama isn't showing all his cards yet.
Regarding single payer: we need to keep educating ourselves. The problems in our current system are being spun, masked and mislabeled. Our system's problems are being blamed on capitalism, when in reality, ever since WWII, our system has been steadily morphing into something more closely resembling a cross between fascism and socialism. Gotta learn to recognize our 'isms so we can see through the propaganda and not run off in the wrong direction in search of our much needed reform.
Here's a very good article explaining the differences:
http://mises.org/story/3793
"Single payer" really just moves us more in the direction we've already been going. And some people would say, "So What!? What's wrong with socialism or fascism or whatever it is? It's working well in Canada or Sweden" or whatever other country they care to mention.
Here are two problems with that approach. First, looking into other country's health care systems gives us only a snapshot (or short period of time) view of a dynamic system that's constantly changing. Secondly, current statistics and studies can easily be twisted and perverted to support anyone's agenda.
A better approach would be to gain a more historical perspective of similar situations so we can get around both of these problems. A historical perspective will show the trends we can expect from adopting further regulation such as "single payer." Once we start seeing the historical trends, we'll be able to see more clearly what kind of reform would solve our system's problems.
The bills in Congress DO NOT create a single payer system! This idea is red herring floated to scare people and stir anti-"socialist" sentiments. Maybe single-payer is what Pres. Obama would want in an ideal world, but he is too much of a pragmatist to ask Congress to create a single payer system because he knows it would get nowhere.
The public option is just that - an option that is meant to inject more competition into the private and small-group insurance market, which in many areas of the country is quite concentrated, with one or two companies controlling as much as 90% of the market in some places. People insured by large employers wouldn't be eligible for the public option.
You say, "emotionalism seems to work but its generally a deception becuase there are no facts to back it up." Do you think the video lied when it stated that people lined up and waited to be seen at a free clinic? Do you think people in every community in America have access to free or low-cost health care if they're not insured or eligible for existing goverment programs? Do you think people who can't afford health care should do without until they're so sick they have to go to the emergency room and stick the hospital with the bill? Do you deny the reality of poverty and uninsured millions in this country?
What really puzzles me about this site is why so many people who subscribe to Sojourners and comment on its posts seem to give no credence to anything it stands for.
well he said he was for a single payer system, while telling all of us in his campaign that he wanted to give us what congress has, which is what we have now just down a lot better. then asked if said he was for single payer said we isnt. He is a liar. nothing in any of the bills pushed do anything he has said he wants. including a single payer. again he is a liar. He touts abill when there isnt even a bill out there to tout about. again a liar.
Politicians make campaign promises--every single one of them does. Then the rubber hits the road and they find the promises they made are a hard sell to those who actually have to pass the proposals they make (the legislators--usually the ones in the other party). Often times they are not able to keep those promises because deals need to be made and compromises have to happen. That's what is happening in health care. So Obama's initial ideas aren't getting the votes, he is concerned it may not pass at all, and the only recourse if he wants reform is to compromise some of the core values he holds.
Is this lying? Is it lying to say "I'll be home at 5" and instead end up home at 7 because traffic was a nightmare? Congress is the traffic to Obama's promises. If that's lying, then he is a liar. But so is every politician who is unable to get his or her ideas through the law making process (was Bush a liar because abortion is still legal?). That's just how politics works. That's the reality. But to call someone a liar for not being able to navigate those waters is far over the top and completely unfair. If you are to be honest, then I would hope you are calling ALL politicians liars (albeit some would argue that is true) because that is the challenge ALL politicians have to face.
"emotionalism seems to work but its generally a deception becuase there are no facts to back it up"
Do you say the same of those who say the proposals include "death panels"?
Ummm...there is a difference between "demonizing" the opposition and calling out those who intentionally lie to play on people's fears. Politicians who claimed the healthcare plan would create death panels were bearing false witness and playing on fear to gain worldly power. There are parts of the bill that folks can disagree with in good conscience, but not that. It is neither insulting or mocking--and definitely not slandering--to point that out, though it clearly wasn't the focus on this great ad, which primarily reminds people about the need to love and care for our neighbor.
How is speaking the truth not Christ-like? This ad is focused on the need to love and care about our neighbors and calls people to a higher-purpose and relational approach to the world...and it calls out those who lie to gain worldly power. We can't be milktoast Christians. There is such a thing as truth, and the Jesus I read about in the Bible sure did a lot of the same things this ad did. Yes, it is quite effective politically, but that is BECAUSE (not inspite of the fact that) it is Christ-like in its approach to worldly concerns.
I'm perhaps not being fair in this assumption, but since this is a Christian website, I'll assume posters are guided by those views. I'd think that our number one concern shouldn't be whether an action improves the Constitutional defense of individuals rights but whether it meets the standards Christ set for how we would be judged in Matt25. People of good faith can debate how well any policy meets those standards, but as Christians, we should at least set them as the benchmark.
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A couple of things here. those against reform, as they say arent against "reform" they are against what obama is putting out as reform. his is not reform it creating a new system. A single payer system, which he is on record as saying he wants. So what he said in his campaign was a lie. He said he would give us what they have in congress. Well what they have is what we have but they arent limited to who they can get it from and other things that apparently work seeing how they refuse to sign on to the plan they want to give us. REFORM yes obama plan no. its a scam too bring us into a single payer plan like canada. Which will not work nor can we afford even if it would work. deception, i think that is a sin. emotionalism seems to work but its generally a deception becuase there are no facts to back it up. But in saying that reform is needed. Just not what this administration is after.
A couple of things here. those against reform, as they say arent against "reform" they are against what obama is putting out as reform. his is not reform it creating a new system. A single payer system, which he is on record as saying he wants. So what he said in his campaign was a lie. He said he would give us what they have in congress. Well what they have is what we have but they arent limited to who they can get it from and other things that apparently work seeing how they refuse to sign on to the plan they want to give us. REFORM yes obama plan no. its a scam too bring us into a single payer plan like canada. Which will not work nor can we afford even if it would work. deception, i think that is a sin. emotionalism seems to work but its generally a deception becuase there are no facts to back it up. But in saying that reform is needed. Just not what this administration is after.
"The politicians bear false witness,
special interests reap the profits of fear, protesters silence debate."
I will express my disagreements with other community members' ideas without insulting, mocking, or slandering them personally.
Does this standard only apply to commenters? How does this video add to the debate? It only demonizes the opposition.
"The politicians bear false witness,
special interests reap the profits of fear, protesters silence debate."
I will express my disagreements with other community members' ideas without insulting, mocking, or slandering them personally.
Does this standard only apply to commenters? How does this video add to the debate? It only demonizes the opposition.
no it wasnt that good. like the poster said if your for obama your like it if not you wont. But i guess you dont mind obama lying to everyone to get what he wants. Well if it goes through it will eventually. that is if he was telling the truth to the people he said he was for single payer. the unions or planned parenthood dont remember which.
no it wasnt that good. like the poster said if your for obama your like it if not you wont. But i guess you dont mind obama lying to everyone to get what he wants. Well if it goes through it will eventually. that is if he was telling the truth to the people he said he was for single payer. the unions or planned parenthood dont remember which.
My thoughts exactly, kansasmennonite. It's really not that incendiary- it's what's really happening. The human cost of obstructionism and yes, bearing false witness and stifling debate, as we witnessed with the town hall meetings this summer.
Perhaps these folks should take a good hard look at their consciences' reaction to the human cost. Just a suggestion.
My thoughts exactly, kansasmennonite. It's really not that incendiary- it's what's really happening. The human cost of obstructionism and yes, bearing false witness and stifling debate, as we witnessed with the town hall meetings this summer.
Perhaps these folks should take a good hard look at their consciences' reaction to the human cost. Just a suggestion.
President Obama has says that he has 3 goals for Health Care Reform, they are:1. to cover everyone-none of the proposals in congress do that(illegal alliens are not covered)
2. Lower cost-none of the proposals in congress do that-if you have more consumers and the same or less supply the price will go up.
3. That is will not add to the deficit-this will add to the deficit as the $400 billion in Medicare savings will get kicked down the road.
Also the Bacus bill has 10 years worth of revenues and 7 years of expenses.
President Obama has says that he has 3 goals for Health Care Reform, they are:1. to cover everyone-none of the proposals in congress do that(illegal alliens are not covered)
2. Lower cost-none of the proposals in congress do that-if you have more consumers and the same or less supply the price will go up.
3. That is will not add to the deficit-this will add to the deficit as the $400 billion in Medicare savings will get kicked down the road.
Also the Bacus bill has 10 years worth of revenues and 7 years of expenses.
well he said he was for a single payer system, while telling all of us in his campaign that he wanted to give us what congress has, which is what we have now just down a lot better. then asked if said he was for single payer said we isnt. He is a liar. nothing in any of the bills pushed do anything he has said he wants. including a single payer. again he is a liar. He touts abill when there isnt even a bill out there to tout about. again a liar.
well he said he was for a single payer system, while telling all of us in his campaign that he wanted to give us what congress has, which is what we have now just down a lot better. then asked if said he was for single payer said we isnt. He is a liar. nothing in any of the bills pushed do anything he has said he wants. including a single payer. again he is a liar. He touts abill when there isnt even a bill out there to tout about. again a liar.
No, they didn't, because we aren't debating how to provide them with health care, we're debating how to provide health care insurance. The two aren't the same.
The poor can recieve health care at minimal cost through a range of free clinics, government programs, and hospital emergency rooms right now. It is, I'll admit, a less than optimal way of doing things and I'm open to reforms -- as long as they don't blow up a health care system that works reasonably well for the vast majority of citizens. But this isn't a humanitarian crisis on a scale that would justify rushing through a half-baked health care plan based on little more than faith that anything run by Washington will be wonderful.
As you are probably aware the handle is a reference to the villian of the Harry Potter books. I fully recognize that I'm considered a Bad Person here for my less than romantic views of government. I am embracing the role of the heavy for you guys. I find it kind of liberating.
LV
No, they didn't, because we aren't debating how to provide them with health care, we're debating how to provide health care insurance. The two aren't the same.
The poor can recieve health care at minimal cost through a range of free clinics, government programs, and hospital emergency rooms right now. It is, I'll admit, a less than optimal way of doing things and I'm open to reforms -- as long as they don't blow up a health care system that works reasonably well for the vast majority of citizens. But this isn't a humanitarian crisis on a scale that would justify rushing through a half-baked health care plan based on little more than faith that anything run by Washington will be wonderful.
As you are probably aware the handle is a reference to the villian of the Harry Potter books. I fully recognize that I'm considered a Bad Person here for my less than romantic views of government. I am embracing the role of the heavy for you guys. I find it kind of liberating.
LV
The term "conspiracy theory" has morphed into a derogatory slam against anyone who points out the possibility of ulterior motives...but ulterior motives abound in politics. Whatever you want to call it, it should be clear to anyone who is watching that Obama isn't showing all his cards yet.
Regarding single payer: we need to keep educating ourselves. The problems in our current system are being spun, masked and mislabeled. Our system's problems are being blamed on capitalism, when in reality, ever since WWII, our system has been steadily morphing into something more closely resembling a cross between fascism and socialism. Gotta learn to recognize our 'isms so we can see through the propaganda and not run off in the wrong direction in search of our much needed reform.
Here's a very good article explaining the differences:
http://mises.org/story/3793
"Single payer" really just moves us more in the direction we've already been going. And some people would say, "So What!? What's wrong with socialism or fascism or whatever it is? It's working well in Canada or Sweden" or whatever other country they care to mention.
Here are two problems with that approach. First, looking into other country's health care systems gives us only a snapshot (or short period of time) view of a dynamic system that's constantly changing. Secondly, current statistics and studies can easily be twisted and perverted to support anyone's agenda.
A better approach would be to gain a more historical perspective of similar situations so we can get around both of these problems. A historical perspective will show the trends we can expect from adopting further regulation such as "single payer." Once we start seeing the historical trends, we'll be able to see more clearly what kind of reform would solve our system's problems.
The term "conspiracy theory" has morphed into a derogatory slam against anyone who points out the possibility of ulterior motives...but ulterior motives abound in politics. Whatever you want to call it, it should be clear to anyone who is watching that Obama isn't showing all his cards yet.
Regarding single payer: we need to keep educating ourselves. The problems in our current system are being spun, masked and mislabeled. Our system's problems are being blamed on capitalism, when in reality, ever since WWII, our system has been steadily morphing into something more closely resembling a cross between fascism and socialism. Gotta learn to recognize our 'isms so we can see through the propaganda and not run off in the wrong direction in search of our much needed reform.
Here's a very good article explaining the differences:
http://mises.org/story/3793
"Single payer" really just moves us more in the direction we've already been going. And some people would say, "So What!? What's wrong with socialism or fascism or whatever it is? It's working well in Canada or Sweden" or whatever other country they care to mention.
Here are two problems with that approach. First, looking into other country's health care systems gives us only a snapshot (or short period of time) view of a dynamic system that's constantly changing. Secondly, current statistics and studies can easily be twisted and perverted to support anyone's agenda.
A better approach would be to gain a more historical perspective of similar situations so we can get around both of these problems. A historical perspective will show the trends we can expect from adopting further regulation such as "single payer." Once we start seeing the historical trends, we'll be able to see more clearly what kind of reform would solve our system's problems.
The bills in Congress DO NOT create a single payer system! This idea is red herring floated to scare people and stir anti-"socialist" sentiments. Maybe single-payer is what Pres. Obama would want in an ideal world, but he is too much of a pragmatist to ask Congress to create a single payer system because he knows it would get nowhere.
The public option is just that - an option that is meant to inject more competition into the private and small-group insurance market, which in many areas of the country is quite concentrated, with one or two companies controlling as much as 90% of the market in some places. People insured by large employers wouldn't be eligible for the public option.
You say, "emotionalism seems to work but its generally a deception becuase there are no facts to back it up." Do you think the video lied when it stated that people lined up and waited to be seen at a free clinic? Do you think people in every community in America have access to free or low-cost health care if they're not insured or eligible for existing goverment programs? Do you think people who can't afford health care should do without until they're so sick they have to go to the emergency room and stick the hospital with the bill? Do you deny the reality of poverty and uninsured millions in this country?
What really puzzles me about this site is why so many people who subscribe to Sojourners and comment on its posts seem to give no credence to anything it stands for.
The bills in Congress DO NOT create a single payer system! This idea is red herring floated to scare people and stir anti-"socialist" sentiments. Maybe single-payer is what Pres. Obama would want in an ideal world, but he is too much of a pragmatist to ask Congress to create a single payer system because he knows it would get nowhere.
The public option is just that - an option that is meant to inject more competition into the private and small-group insurance market, which in many areas of the country is quite concentrated, with one or two companies controlling as much as 90% of the market in some places. People insured by large employers wouldn't be eligible for the public option.
You say, "emotionalism seems to work but its generally a deception becuase there are no facts to back it up." Do you think the video lied when it stated that people lined up and waited to be seen at a free clinic? Do you think people in every community in America have access to free or low-cost health care if they're not insured or eligible for existing goverment programs? Do you think people who can't afford health care should do without until they're so sick they have to go to the emergency room and stick the hospital with the bill? Do you deny the reality of poverty and uninsured millions in this country?
What really puzzles me about this site is why so many people who subscribe to Sojourners and comment on its posts seem to give no credence to anything it stands for.
Politicians make campaign promises--every single one of them does. Then the rubber hits the road and they find the promises they made are a hard sell to those who actually have to pass the proposals they make (the legislators--usually the ones in the other party). Often times they are not able to keep those promises because deals need to be made and compromises have to happen. That's what is happening in health care. So Obama's initial ideas aren't getting the votes, he is concerned it may not pass at all, and the only recourse if he wants reform is to compromise some of the core values he holds.
Is this lying? Is it lying to say "I'll be home at 5" and instead end up home at 7 because traffic was a nightmare? Congress is the traffic to Obama's promises. If that's lying, then he is a liar. But so is every politician who is unable to get his or her ideas through the law making process (was Bush a liar because abortion is still legal?). That's just how politics works. That's the reality. But to call someone a liar for not being able to navigate those waters is far over the top and completely unfair. If you are to be honest, then I would hope you are calling ALL politicians liars (albeit some would argue that is true) because that is the challenge ALL politicians have to face.
"emotionalism seems to work but its generally a deception becuase there are no facts to back it up"
Do you say the same of those who say the proposals include "death panels"?
Politicians make campaign promises--every single one of them does. Then the rubber hits the road and they find the promises they made are a hard sell to those who actually have to pass the proposals they make (the legislators--usually the ones in the other party). Often times they are not able to keep those promises because deals need to be made and compromises have to happen. That's what is happening in health care. So Obama's initial ideas aren't getting the votes, he is concerned it may not pass at all, and the only recourse if he wants reform is to compromise some of the core values he holds.
Is this lying? Is it lying to say "I'll be home at 5" and instead end up home at 7 because traffic was a nightmare? Congress is the traffic to Obama's promises. If that's lying, then he is a liar. But so is every politician who is unable to get his or her ideas through the law making process (was Bush a liar because abortion is still legal?). That's just how politics works. That's the reality. But to call someone a liar for not being able to navigate those waters is far over the top and completely unfair. If you are to be honest, then I would hope you are calling ALL politicians liars (albeit some would argue that is true) because that is the challenge ALL politicians have to face.
"emotionalism seems to work but its generally a deception becuase there are no facts to back it up"
Do you say the same of those who say the proposals include "death panels"?
Ummm...there is a difference between "demonizing" the opposition and calling out those who intentionally lie to play on people's fears. Politicians who claimed the healthcare plan would create death panels were bearing false witness and playing on fear to gain worldly power. There are parts of the bill that folks can disagree with in good conscience, but not that. It is neither insulting or mocking--and definitely not slandering--to point that out, though it clearly wasn't the focus on this great ad, which primarily reminds people about the need to love and care for our neighbor.
Ummm...there is a difference between "demonizing" the opposition and calling out those who intentionally lie to play on people's fears. Politicians who claimed the healthcare plan would create death panels were bearing false witness and playing on fear to gain worldly power. There are parts of the bill that folks can disagree with in good conscience, but not that. It is neither insulting or mocking--and definitely not slandering--to point that out, though it clearly wasn't the focus on this great ad, which primarily reminds people about the need to love and care for our neighbor.
How is speaking the truth not Christ-like? This ad is focused on the need to love and care about our neighbors and calls people to a higher-purpose and relational approach to the world...and it calls out those who lie to gain worldly power. We can't be milktoast Christians. There is such a thing as truth, and the Jesus I read about in the Bible sure did a lot of the same things this ad did. Yes, it is quite effective politically, but that is BECAUSE (not inspite of the fact that) it is Christ-like in its approach to worldly concerns.
How is speaking the truth not Christ-like? This ad is focused on the need to love and care about our neighbors and calls people to a higher-purpose and relational approach to the world...and it calls out those who lie to gain worldly power. We can't be milktoast Christians. There is such a thing as truth, and the Jesus I read about in the Bible sure did a lot of the same things this ad did. Yes, it is quite effective politically, but that is BECAUSE (not inspite of the fact that) it is Christ-like in its approach to worldly concerns.
