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Redemptive Poetry on a Night of Violence

It is Sunday night, and I am suddenly awake at the crack of too-close gunfire. I creep to the window without turning on the light, more curious than afraid until I remember I don't know if my daughter Miranda and her friends are home from their movie. Looking out, I see three men spread out in the backyard we share with Ric and Karen, one moving slowly past the patio furniture where we had Sabina's 7th birthday party that afternoon, the other two crouched by the trampoline my son Roman and his football buddies slept out on last week. Strangers in our space, clearly visible in the moonlight, probably carrying guns.

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My wife Marty hands me a phone, and the 911 operator keeps asking how many, what color, how old, how many shots, until I hiss at her to hurry up and send a car because they're still out there, calling back and forth to each other, pointing at the apartments on the other side of our back fence. They move into the side yard, where they regroup for a moment, and then they walk out our gate and down our front steps, cross the sidewalk past three women they seem to know, and get into a grey, late-model sedan parked behind our minivan, where Miranda was supposed to have parked. God, don't let her come home now, I think, as I keep narrating to the 911 lady, both of us knowing the information doesn't really matter. The police always come too late. Sure enough, the grey car slowly pulls away, coming to a maddeningly full and legal stop before turning the corner and blending back into the city night The three women's loud voices trail off in the other direction. It is quiet again. I am not afraid anymore. I am furious.

Those lousy ghetto bastards -- my exact words at 2 a.m. -- brought their ignorant violence into our yard on purpose. They weren't running away from anything. They had a plan. They brought an audience. I don't know their names, of course, but I know them just the same, because once they get that careless, they are all the same. Before I can stop myself, I hope aloud that they drive themselves off a bridge before they make any more babies. Across the room, Marty wonders aloud what happened to the kind and hopeful man who brought her to this place four years ago, in the name of Love. Finally, we turn on the light and call Miranda. Until she gets home, there is no use trying to sleep.

Hours later, everyone else is safe in bed, but I am in the bathroom, sitting, thinking, wishing I could pray. Beside the tub, Marty has left a book of poems. Reading them, I gradually forget who and where I am. And then I find this:

When death comes
like the hungry bear in autumn,
when death comes and takes all the bright coins from his purse

To buy me, and snaps the purse shut,
when death comes
like the measle-pox

When death comes
like an iceberg between the shoulder blades,

I want to step through the door full of curiosity, wondering:
what is it going to be like, that cottage of darkness?

And therefore I look upon everything
as a brotherhood and a sisterhood,
and I look upon time as no more than an idea,
and I consider eternity as another possibility,

And I think of each life as a flower, as common
as a field daisy, and as singular,

And each name a comfortable music in the mouth,
tending, as all music does, toward silence,
and each body a lion of courage, and something
precious to the earth

When it's over, I want to say: all my life
I was a bride married to amazement.
I was the bridegroom, taking the world into my arms.

When it is over, I don't want to wonder
if I have made of my life something particular, and real.
I don't want to find myself sighing and frightened,
or full of argument.

I don't want to end up simply having visited this world.

And suddenly, just as suddenly as those gunshots awakened me, I too don't want to end up simply having visited this world, or even this neighborhood. I don't want to end up angry or bitter. No, I want to believe in my heart that each life, and each name, and each body is indeed something precious, both to God and to me. I want to remarry amazement.

I sit alone for a long time, silently thankful for Mary Oliver, the poet, and for Marty Campolo, my conscience in many ways, and for Grace herself, who gives us all our second chances, and then I go back to bed. Tomorrow is Monday, and we in the fellowship will be eating our supper together.

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by: letjusticerolldown

10-27-2009 @ 7:41pm

Bart--i'm not sure--heard you at ccda--much appreciate the message, heart, love and life--there is a time and a place for everything under the sun--can't make those judgments for you--but something feels out of place--rather like an internal tension you are projecting out onto listeners to deal with--doesn't feel right--I can receive your questions offered to others as a gift--I can't take on the tensions/struggles of your community--i may be 1000% wrong but seems you might be in a space of learning and solitude and fellowship with fewer words for this season.

by: canucklehead

10-27-2009 @ 7:54pm

living the faith is so much easier here in affluent suburbia; I've never felt God calling me to join you there in Ninevah

by: letjusticerolldown

10-27-2009 @ 7:41pm

Bart--i'm not sure--heard you at ccda--much appreciate the message, heart, love and life--there is a time and a place for everything under the sun--can't make those judgments for you--but something feels out of place--rather like an internal tension you are projecting out onto listeners to deal with--doesn't feel right--I can receive your questions offered to others as a gift--I can't take on the tensions/struggles of your community--i may be 1000% wrong but seems you might be in a space of learning and solitude and fellowship with fewer words for this season.

by: canucklehead

10-27-2009 @ 7:54pm

living the faith is so much easier here in affluent suburbia; I've never felt God calling me to join you there in Ninevah

by: Jesdisciple

10-27-2009 @ 10:29pm

Authenticity is scriptural, but maybe it shouldn't be so public? James 5:16, but I don't know of any biblical preacher who did that to his flock. Even Paul, while using his thorn in the flesh as a lesson, didn't identify it.

Then again, this is a good reminder of our sinful state.

by: sleeplessincincinnati

10-27-2009 @ 11:23pm

Forgive me, but I'm not sure what's more troubling about this post and these comments:

1) the condescending, martyr tone in Campolo's writing [I also live in inner city Cincinnati, deliberately, as a white Christian from a relatively privileged background] or
2) the pseudo counselor, mystic-tinged post of "letjusticerolldown" or
3) the condemnation of Campolo's "honesty" by "Jesdisciple" or
4) the equally condescending tone of "canucklehead"; are you serious? Ninevah?

by: Jesdisciple

10-27-2009 @ 10:29pm

Authenticity is scriptural, but maybe it shouldn't be so public? James 5:16, but I don't know of any biblical preacher who did that to his flock. Even Paul, while using his thorn in the flesh as a lesson, didn't identify it.

Then again, this is a good reminder of our sinful state.

by: letjusticerolldown

10-27-2009 @ 11:43pm

Isn't the answer obvious???

#5

by: letjusticerolldown

10-27-2009 @ 11:47pm

I'd have to say being sleeplessincincinnati automatically qualifies you for one free session of mystic-tinged pseudo counseling. It worked well with Jonah!

by: sleeplessincincinnati

10-27-2009 @ 11:23pm

Forgive me, but I'm not sure what's more troubling about this post and these comments:

1) the condescending, martyr tone in Campolo's writing [I also live in inner city Cincinnati, deliberately, as a white Christian from a relatively privileged background] or
2) the pseudo counselor, mystic-tinged post of "letjusticerolldown" or
3) the condemnation of Campolo's "honesty" by "Jesdisciple" or
4) the equally condescending tone of "canucklehead"; are you serious? Ninevah?

by: letjusticerolldown

10-27-2009 @ 11:43pm

Isn't the answer obvious???

#5

by: letjusticerolldown

10-27-2009 @ 11:47pm

I'd have to say being sleeplessincincinnati automatically qualifies you for one free session of mystic-tinged pseudo counseling. It worked well with Jonah!

by: squeaky

10-28-2009 @ 1:32am

How do you get all that? In one moment, you call Campolo condescending. Then you call him honest. And what was condescending about Canucklehead's comment? and so what if letjustice's poem was tinged with mysticism?

'Tis true--methinks you need to get some sleep!

Letjustice is right. The answer is 5. The answer is always 5.

by: letmesowlove

10-29-2009 @ 1:17pm

Thank you Bart! Your honesty is needed! Please do not let anyone discourage you from teaching us what it really means to follow Christ. We all are sinners and we must struggle to overcome our sins with his help! Keep up the struggle and your fine work!

by: Jesdisciple

10-28-2009 @ 3:18am

I tried to tone that down with the final sentence... Anyway, I expected to be able to make an ecclesiological point without offending. I respect that more liberal Christians major in empathy, and that's a trait I'm working on. However, I don't like an honest opinion being silenced in the name of empathy. That's where we conservatives get off complaining about political correctness.

by: squeaky

10-28-2009 @ 1:32am

How do you get all that? In one moment, you call Campolo condescending. Then you call him honest. And what was condescending about Canucklehead's comment? and so what if letjustice's poem was tinged with mysticism?

'Tis true--methinks you need to get some sleep!

Letjustice is right. The answer is 5. The answer is always 5.

by: Jesdisciple

10-28-2009 @ 3:18am

I tried to tone that down with the final sentence... Anyway, I expected to be able to make an ecclesiological point without offending. I respect that more liberal Christians major in empathy, and that's a trait I'm working on. However, I don't like an honest opinion being silenced in the name of empathy. That's where we conservatives get off complaining about political correctness.

by: micah68saysitall

10-28-2009 @ 4:06pm

Somehow I find myself agreeing with both letjusticerolldown AND sleeplessincincinnatti. I have heard Campolo speak on numerous occasions and have read a few of his posts and I find myself drawing the same conclusion of letjusticerolldown-there is a time and place for everything and the time for Bart to live in the community he so regularly seethes about could be coming to an end. All his posts have expressed to me is an ever-increasing disdain for his community and the residents therein. Moreover, I understand his motivation in writing his posts is to present the reality of inner-city living to the overzealous, under informed, newly enlightened suburban white evangelical youth. Problem is, if sojourners is doing its job, and I believe it is, then the aforementioned group is not the only group reading this blog, nor are they the only ones with a strong reaction to it. I do not fall into the aforementioned group and when I read Campolos post they offend me because they appear to perpetuate the latent racism/classism that often comes with white evangelicals moving into urban neighborhoods. Let's be clear: "urban" is almost always synonymous with "neighborhoods of color". So the negativity and projections of his posts that are always laced with pejorative terms like "ghetto" and "those people", covertly express to white suburban transplants that it's ok to maintain the negative stereotypes they have about people of color because one way or another "those ghetto people" will prove the stereotypes to be true.

Moreover, Campolo of all people should know that when living and working in a community there is no such thing as "those people". It's either all of us or all of them. Yet his communication style smacks of "us" vs. "them" rhetoric that cannot exist when talking about being a part of a community. Not everything Bart has to say is negative. No, in fact he has said some pretty poignant things of late, but that doesn't negate the provocation of anger and general sense of disrespect that his words create.

Bottom line, I don't know how Campolo came to live in that particular community, but I would stake a hefty wager that the community did not show up on the doorstep of his home in his previous neighborhood and beg for his intervention. I'm guessing not too many "urban" neighborhoods are clamoring for yet another white evangelical to ride in on their social justice moral high horse and save them from their own ghetto-ness. My assessment of this post like most of the other posts of Campolos I have read is these efforts to help reform and develop these inner-city neighborhoods are more about what they do for his understanding of God, justice, peace and community, than they actually do for the community itself.

If I lived in this neighborhood and I was the mother of one of these "gangsters" or the ghetto neighbor that he once wrote about "loving but not liking" or Bobbie's devastated mother turned grandmother too soon or a scantily-clad young women pushing baby strollers with toddlers in toe, I would be less than grateful to someone who propounded their Christianity by ranting on and on about the problems I was causing in a community I never asked them to join. This is especially true for someone who is sharing this information in a forum I would not be readily apart of.

Further, I think it ridiculous to read the thoughts and feelings of a veteran in the Christian life and viscerally react with "work out your salvation with fear and trembling not with anger and bitterness! Get over yourself!" But sure enough, that is almost always my reaction to a Bart Campolo post. The moral of the story: If the words you speak, the things you write and the general attitude you develop in a particular place or ministry cause you that much distress then leave. You do everyone involved a disservice if you don't.

by: micah68saysitall

10-28-2009 @ 4:06pm

Somehow I find myself agreeing with both letjusticerolldown AND sleeplessincincinnatti. I have heard Campolo speak on numerous occasions and have read a few of his posts and I find myself drawing the same conclusion of letjusticerolldown-there is a time and place for everything and the time for Bart to live in the community he so regularly seethes about could be coming to an end. All his posts have expressed to me is an ever-increasing disdain for his community and the residents therein. Moreover, I understand his motivation in writing his posts is to present the reality of inner-city living to the overzealous, under informed, newly enlightened suburban white evangelical youth. Problem is, if sojourners is doing its job, and I believe it is, then the aforementioned group is not the only group reading this blog, nor are they the only ones with a strong reaction to it. I do not fall into the aforementioned group and when I read Campolos post they offend me because they appear to perpetuate the latent racism/classism that often comes with white evangelicals moving into urban neighborhoods. Let's be clear: "urban" is almost always synonymous with "neighborhoods of color". So the negativity and projections of his posts that are always laced with pejorative terms like "ghetto" and "those people", covertly express to white suburban transplants that it's ok to maintain the negative stereotypes they have about people of color because one way or another "those ghetto people" will prove the stereotypes to be true.

Moreover, Campolo of all people should know that when living and working in a community there is no such thing as "those people". It's either all of us or all of them. Yet his communication style smacks of "us" vs. "them" rhetoric that cannot exist when talking about being a part of a community. Not everything Bart has to say is negative. No, in fact he has said some pretty poignant things of late, but that doesn't negate the provocation of anger and general sense of disrespect that his words create.

Bottom line, I don't know how Campolo came to live in that particular community, but I would stake a hefty wager that the community did not show up on the doorstep of his home in his previous neighborhood and beg for his intervention. I'm guessing not too many "urban" neighborhoods are clamoring for yet another white evangelical to ride in on their social justice moral high horse and save them from their own ghetto-ness. My assessment of this post like most of the other posts of Campolos I have read is these efforts to help reform and develop these inner-city neighborhoods are more about what they do for his understanding of God, justice, peace and community, than they actually do for the community itself.

If I lived in this neighborhood and I was the mother of one of these "gangsters" or the ghetto neighbor that he once wrote about "loving but not liking" or Bobbie's devastated mother turned grandmother too soon or a scantily-clad young women pushing baby strollers with toddlers in toe, I would be less than grateful to someone who propounded their Christianity by ranting on and on about the problems I was causing in a community I never asked them to join. This is especially true for someone who is sharing this information in a forum I would not be readily apart of.

Further, I think it ridiculous to read the thoughts and feelings of a veteran in the Christian life and viscerally react with "work out your salvation with fear and trembling not with anger and bitterness! Get over yourself!" But sure enough, that is almost always my reaction to a Bart Campolo post. The moral of the story: If the words you speak, the things you write and the general attitude you develop in a particular place or ministry cause you that much distress then leave. You do everyone involved a disservice if you don't.

by: mikecrowl

10-28-2009 @ 6:40pm

Stirred up a hornet's nest here, Bart, but the poem is great...!

by: ando

10-28-2009 @ 7:05pm

Wow. You're condescending attitude toward Bart is really, really edifying. Maybe you ougtha walk a mile in his shoes. Otherwise, be quiet and try to live out your name in deed rather than word. It's more offensive than Bart's words ever would be. But then perhaps he's not a victim of the political correctness so pervasive among many Sojo-ites.

by: ando

10-28-2009 @ 7:07pm

What comment? As usual, it disappeared into the cyberworld's black hole. Good job, first amendment nazis.

by: mikecrowl

10-28-2009 @ 6:40pm

Stirred up a hornet's nest here, Bart, but the poem is great...!

by: ando

10-28-2009 @ 7:05pm

Wow. You're condescending attitude toward Bart is really, really edifying. Maybe you ougtha walk a mile in his shoes. Otherwise, be quiet and try to live out your name in deed rather than word. It's more offensive than Bart's words ever would be. But then perhaps he's not a victim of the political correctness so pervasive among many Sojo-ites.

by: ando

10-28-2009 @ 7:07pm

What comment? As usual, it disappeared into the cyberworld's black hole. Good job, first amendment nazis.

by: letjusticerolldown

10-29-2009 @ 2:23am

I'm going to give an awful analogy. I can't even explain where the analogy is. But two names come to me (to my gut not my head): Jerry Springer and Jesse Ventura. There is something very real about them and very attractive; and at the same time very crazy. There is something very dignifying and human about Jerry Springer's craziness.
I lived in Jesse Ventura's hometown when he was elected governor of MN. I couldn't believe the turn-out. But at the end of the day--my gut judgment was that the people of MN had left the ground of sane governance. I think J Springer (I refer to the public schtick) also leaves the ground of any sane health.
I don't have any ground to stand in judgment of B Campolo's calling nor journey. And I don't. But, in his speaking/writing he projects that journey out and confronts his audience with the struggles of that journey.
There is something wonderful and beautiful about it; and yet I feel there is something going on there that merits backing the journey back down off the public stage.

by: letjusticerolldown

10-29-2009 @ 2:23am

I'm going to give an awful analogy. I can't even explain where the analogy is. But two names come to me (to my gut not my head): Jerry Springer and Jesse Ventura. There is something very real about them and very attractive; and at the same time very crazy. There is something very dignifying and human about Jerry Springer's craziness.
I lived in Jesse Ventura's hometown when he was elected governor of MN. I couldn't believe the turn-out. But at the end of the day--my gut judgment was that the people of MN had left the ground of sane governance. I think J Springer (I refer to the public schtick) also leaves the ground of any sane health.
I don't have any ground to stand in judgment of B Campolo's calling nor journey. And I don't. But, in his speaking/writing he projects that journey out and confronts his audience with the struggles of that journey.
There is something wonderful and beautiful about it; and yet I feel there is something going on there that merits backing the journey back down off the public stage.

by: letmesowlove

10-29-2009 @ 11:17am

Thank you Bart! Your honesty is needed! Please do not let anyone discourage you from teaching us what it really means to follow Christ. We all are sinners and we must struggle to overcome our sins with his help! Keep up the struggle and your fine work!

by: letmesowlove

10-29-2009 @ 11:17am

Thank you Bart! Your honesty is needed! Please do not let anyone discourage you from teaching us what it really means to follow Christ. We all are sinners and we must struggle to overcome our sins with his help! Keep up the struggle and your fine work!

by: letmesowlove

10-29-2009 @ 1:17pm

Thank you Bart! Your honesty is needed! Please do not let anyone discourage you from teaching us what it really means to follow Christ. We all are sinners and we must struggle to overcome our sins with his help! Keep up the struggle and your fine work!

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by: letjusticerolldown

10-27-2009 @ 7:41pm

Bart--i'm not sure--heard you at ccda--much appreciate the message, heart, love and life--there is a time and a place for everything under the sun--can't make those judgments for you--but something feels out of place--rather like an internal tension you are projecting out onto listeners to deal with--doesn't feel right--I can receive your questions offered to others as a gift--I can't take on the tensions/struggles of your community--i may be 1000% wrong but seems you might be in a space of learning and solitude and fellowship with fewer words for this season.

by: letjusticerolldown

10-27-2009 @ 7:41pm

Bart--i'm not sure--heard you at ccda--much appreciate the message, heart, love and life--there is a time and a place for everything under the sun--can't make those judgments for you--but something feels out of place--rather like an internal tension you are projecting out onto listeners to deal with--doesn't feel right--I can receive your questions offered to others as a gift--I can't take on the tensions/struggles of your community--i may be 1000% wrong but seems you might be in a space of learning and solitude and fellowship with fewer words for this season.

by: canucklehead

10-27-2009 @ 7:54pm

living the faith is so much easier here in affluent suburbia; I've never felt God calling me to join you there in Ninevah

by: canucklehead

10-27-2009 @ 7:54pm

living the faith is so much easier here in affluent suburbia; I've never felt God calling me to join you there in Ninevah

by: Jesdisciple

10-27-2009 @ 10:29pm

Authenticity is scriptural, but maybe it shouldn't be so public? James 5:16, but I don't know of any biblical preacher who did that to his flock. Even Paul, while using his thorn in the flesh as a lesson, didn't identify it.

Then again, this is a good reminder of our sinful state.

by: Jesdisciple

10-27-2009 @ 10:29pm

Authenticity is scriptural, but maybe it shouldn't be so public? James 5:16, but I don't know of any biblical preacher who did that to his flock. Even Paul, while using his thorn in the flesh as a lesson, didn't identify it.

Then again, this is a good reminder of our sinful state.

by: sleeplessincincinnati

10-27-2009 @ 11:23pm

Forgive me, but I'm not sure what's more troubling about this post and these comments:

1) the condescending, martyr tone in Campolo's writing [I also live in inner city Cincinnati, deliberately, as a white Christian from a relatively privileged background] or
2) the pseudo counselor, mystic-tinged post of "letjusticerolldown" or
3) the condemnation of Campolo's "honesty" by "Jesdisciple" or
4) the equally condescending tone of "canucklehead"; are you serious? Ninevah?

by: sleeplessincincinnati

10-27-2009 @ 11:23pm

Forgive me, but I'm not sure what's more troubling about this post and these comments:

1) the condescending, martyr tone in Campolo's writing [I also live in inner city Cincinnati, deliberately, as a white Christian from a relatively privileged background] or
2) the pseudo counselor, mystic-tinged post of "letjusticerolldown" or
3) the condemnation of Campolo's "honesty" by "Jesdisciple" or
4) the equally condescending tone of "canucklehead"; are you serious? Ninevah?

by: letjusticerolldown

10-27-2009 @ 11:43pm

Isn't the answer obvious???

#5

by: letjusticerolldown

10-27-2009 @ 11:43pm

Isn't the answer obvious???

#5

by: letjusticerolldown

10-27-2009 @ 11:47pm

I'd have to say being sleeplessincincinnati automatically qualifies you for one free session of mystic-tinged pseudo counseling. It worked well with Jonah!

by: letjusticerolldown

10-27-2009 @ 11:47pm

I'd have to say being sleeplessincincinnati automatically qualifies you for one free session of mystic-tinged pseudo counseling. It worked well with Jonah!

by: squeaky

10-28-2009 @ 1:32am

How do you get all that? In one moment, you call Campolo condescending. Then you call him honest. And what was condescending about Canucklehead's comment? and so what if letjustice's poem was tinged with mysticism?

'Tis true--methinks you need to get some sleep!

Letjustice is right. The answer is 5. The answer is always 5.

by: squeaky

10-28-2009 @ 1:32am

How do you get all that? In one moment, you call Campolo condescending. Then you call him honest. And what was condescending about Canucklehead's comment? and so what if letjustice's poem was tinged with mysticism?

'Tis true--methinks you need to get some sleep!

Letjustice is right. The answer is 5. The answer is always 5.

by: Jesdisciple

10-28-2009 @ 3:18am

I tried to tone that down with the final sentence... Anyway, I expected to be able to make an ecclesiological point without offending. I respect that more liberal Christians major in empathy, and that's a trait I'm working on. However, I don't like an honest opinion being silenced in the name of empathy. That's where we conservatives get off complaining about political correctness.

by: Jesdisciple

10-28-2009 @ 3:18am

I tried to tone that down with the final sentence... Anyway, I expected to be able to make an ecclesiological point without offending. I respect that more liberal Christians major in empathy, and that's a trait I'm working on. However, I don't like an honest opinion being silenced in the name of empathy. That's where we conservatives get off complaining about political correctness.

by: micah68saysitall

10-28-2009 @ 4:06pm

Somehow I find myself agreeing with both letjusticerolldown AND sleeplessincincinnatti. I have heard Campolo speak on numerous occasions and have read a few of his posts and I find myself drawing the same conclusion of letjusticerolldown-there is a time and place for everything and the time for Bart to live in the community he so regularly seethes about could be coming to an end. All his posts have expressed to me is an ever-increasing disdain for his community and the residents therein. Moreover, I understand his motivation in writing his posts is to present the reality of inner-city living to the overzealous, under informed, newly enlightened suburban white evangelical youth. Problem is, if sojourners is doing its job, and I believe it is, then the aforementioned group is not the only group reading this blog, nor are they the only ones with a strong reaction to it. I do not fall into the aforementioned group and when I read Campolos post they offend me because they appear to perpetuate the latent racism/classism that often comes with white evangelicals moving into urban neighborhoods. Let's be clear: "urban" is almost always synonymous with "neighborhoods of color". So the negativity and projections of his posts that are always laced with pejorative terms like "ghetto" and "those people", covertly express to white suburban transplants that it's ok to maintain the negative stereotypes they have about people of color because one way or another "those ghetto people" will prove the stereotypes to be true.

Moreover, Campolo of all people should know that when living and working in a community there is no such thing as "those people". It's either all of us or all of them. Yet his communication style smacks of "us" vs. "them" rhetoric that cannot exist when talking about being a part of a community. Not everything Bart has to say is negative. No, in fact he has said some pretty poignant things of late, but that doesn't negate the provocation of anger and general sense of disrespect that his words create.

Bottom line, I don't know how Campolo came to live in that particular community, but I would stake a hefty wager that the community did not show up on the doorstep of his home in his previous neighborhood and beg for his intervention. I'm guessing not too many "urban" neighborhoods are clamoring for yet another white evangelical to ride in on their social justice moral high horse and save them from their own ghetto-ness. My assessment of this post like most of the other posts of Campolos I have read is these efforts to help reform and develop these inner-city neighborhoods are more about what they do for his understanding of God, justice, peace and community, than they actually do for the community itself.

If I lived in this neighborhood and I was the mother of one of these "gangsters" or the ghetto neighbor that he once wrote about "loving but not liking" or Bobbie's devastated mother turned grandmother too soon or a scantily-clad young women pushing baby strollers with toddlers in toe, I would be less than grateful to someone who propounded their Christianity by ranting on and on about the problems I was causing in a community I never asked them to join. This is especially true for someone who is sharing this information in a forum I would not be readily apart of.

Further, I think it ridiculous to read the thoughts and feelings of a veteran in the Christian life and viscerally react with "work out your salvation with fear and trembling not with anger and bitterness! Get over yourself!" But sure enough, that is almost always my reaction to a Bart Campolo post. The moral of the story: If the words you speak, the things you write and the general attitude you develop in a particular place or ministry cause you that much distress then leave. You do everyone involved a disservice if you don't.

by: micah68saysitall

10-28-2009 @ 4:06pm

Somehow I find myself agreeing with both letjusticerolldown AND sleeplessincincinnatti. I have heard Campolo speak on numerous occasions and have read a few of his posts and I find myself drawing the same conclusion of letjusticerolldown-there is a time and place for everything and the time for Bart to live in the community he so regularly seethes about could be coming to an end. All his posts have expressed to me is an ever-increasing disdain for his community and the residents therein. Moreover, I understand his motivation in writing his posts is to present the reality of inner-city living to the overzealous, under informed, newly enlightened suburban white evangelical youth. Problem is, if sojourners is doing its job, and I believe it is, then the aforementioned group is not the only group reading this blog, nor are they the only ones with a strong reaction to it. I do not fall into the aforementioned group and when I read Campolos post they offend me because they appear to perpetuate the latent racism/classism that often comes with white evangelicals moving into urban neighborhoods. Let's be clear: "urban" is almost always synonymous with "neighborhoods of color". So the negativity and projections of his posts that are always laced with pejorative terms like "ghetto" and "those people", covertly express to white suburban transplants that it's ok to maintain the negative stereotypes they have about people of color because one way or another "those ghetto people" will prove the stereotypes to be true.

Moreover, Campolo of all people should know that when living and working in a community there is no such thing as "those people". It's either all of us or all of them. Yet his communication style smacks of "us" vs. "them" rhetoric that cannot exist when talking about being a part of a community. Not everything Bart has to say is negative. No, in fact he has said some pretty poignant things of late, but that doesn't negate the provocation of anger and general sense of disrespect that his words create.

Bottom line, I don't know how Campolo came to live in that particular community, but I would stake a hefty wager that the community did not show up on the doorstep of his home in his previous neighborhood and beg for his intervention. I'm guessing not too many "urban" neighborhoods are clamoring for yet another white evangelical to ride in on their social justice moral high horse and save them from their own ghetto-ness. My assessment of this post like most of the other posts of Campolos I have read is these efforts to help reform and develop these inner-city neighborhoods are more about what they do for his understanding of God, justice, peace and community, than they actually do for the community itself.

If I lived in this neighborhood and I was the mother of one of these "gangsters" or the ghetto neighbor that he once wrote about "loving but not liking" or Bobbie's devastated mother turned grandmother too soon or a scantily-clad young women pushing baby strollers with toddlers in toe, I would be less than grateful to someone who propounded their Christianity by ranting on and on about the problems I was causing in a community I never asked them to join. This is especially true for someone who is sharing this information in a forum I would not be readily apart of.

Further, I think it ridiculous to read the thoughts and feelings of a veteran in the Christian life and viscerally react with "work out your salvation with fear and trembling not with anger and bitterness! Get over yourself!" But sure enough, that is almost always my reaction to a Bart Campolo post. The moral of the story: If the words you speak, the things you write and the general attitude you develop in a particular place or ministry cause you that much distress then leave. You do everyone involved a disservice if you don't.

by: mikecrowl

10-28-2009 @ 6:40pm

Stirred up a hornet's nest here, Bart, but the poem is great...!

by: mikecrowl

10-28-2009 @ 6:40pm

Stirred up a hornet's nest here, Bart, but the poem is great...!

by: ando

10-28-2009 @ 7:05pm

Wow. You're condescending attitude toward Bart is really, really edifying. Maybe you ougtha walk a mile in his shoes. Otherwise, be quiet and try to live out your name in deed rather than word. It's more offensive than Bart's words ever would be. But then perhaps he's not a victim of the political correctness so pervasive among many Sojo-ites.

by: ando

10-28-2009 @ 7:05pm

Wow. You're condescending attitude toward Bart is really, really edifying. Maybe you ougtha walk a mile in his shoes. Otherwise, be quiet and try to live out your name in deed rather than word. It's more offensive than Bart's words ever would be. But then perhaps he's not a victim of the political correctness so pervasive among many Sojo-ites.

by: ando

10-28-2009 @ 7:07pm

What comment? As usual, it disappeared into the cyberworld's black hole. Good job, first amendment nazis.

by: ando

10-28-2009 @ 7:07pm

What comment? As usual, it disappeared into the cyberworld's black hole. Good job, first amendment nazis.

by: letjusticerolldown

10-29-2009 @ 2:23am

I'm going to give an awful analogy. I can't even explain where the analogy is. But two names come to me (to my gut not my head): Jerry Springer and Jesse Ventura. There is something very real about them and very attractive; and at the same time very crazy. There is something very dignifying and human about Jerry Springer's craziness.
I lived in Jesse Ventura's hometown when he was elected governor of MN. I couldn't believe the turn-out. But at the end of the day--my gut judgment was that the people of MN had left the ground of sane governance. I think J Springer (I refer to the public schtick) also leaves the ground of any sane health.
I don't have any ground to stand in judgment of B Campolo's calling nor journey. And I don't. But, in his speaking/writing he projects that journey out and confronts his audience with the struggles of that journey.
There is something wonderful and beautiful about it; and yet I feel there is something going on there that merits backing the journey back down off the public stage.

by: letjusticerolldown

10-29-2009 @ 2:23am

I'm going to give an awful analogy. I can't even explain where the analogy is. But two names come to me (to my gut not my head): Jerry Springer and Jesse Ventura. There is something very real about them and very attractive; and at the same time very crazy. There is something very dignifying and human about Jerry Springer's craziness.
I lived in Jesse Ventura's hometown when he was elected governor of MN. I couldn't believe the turn-out. But at the end of the day--my gut judgment was that the people of MN had left the ground of sane governance. I think J Springer (I refer to the public schtick) also leaves the ground of any sane health.
I don't have any ground to stand in judgment of B Campolo's calling nor journey. And I don't. But, in his speaking/writing he projects that journey out and confronts his audience with the struggles of that journey.
There is something wonderful and beautiful about it; and yet I feel there is something going on there that merits backing the journey back down off the public stage.

by: letmesowlove

10-29-2009 @ 11:17am

Thank you Bart! Your honesty is needed! Please do not let anyone discourage you from teaching us what it really means to follow Christ. We all are sinners and we must struggle to overcome our sins with his help! Keep up the struggle and your fine work!

by: letmesowlove

10-29-2009 @ 11:17am

Thank you Bart! Your honesty is needed! Please do not let anyone discourage you from teaching us what it really means to follow Christ. We all are sinners and we must struggle to overcome our sins with his help! Keep up the struggle and your fine work!

by: letmesowlove

10-29-2009 @ 1:17pm

Thank you Bart! Your honesty is needed! Please do not let anyone discourage you from teaching us what it really means to follow Christ. We all are sinners and we must struggle to overcome our sins with his help! Keep up the struggle and your fine work!

by: letmesowlove

10-29-2009 @ 1:17pm

Thank you Bart! Your honesty is needed! Please do not let anyone discourage you from teaching us what it really means to follow Christ. We all are sinners and we must struggle to overcome our sins with his help! Keep up the struggle and your fine work!