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Afghanistan: A Whole New Approach

We've all been watching carefully as the Obama administration tries to decide how to move forward on U.S. policy in Afghanistan. And we've been listening to the arguments and counter-arguments being offered. Religious leaders in particular have been paying close attention to both the political and moral arguments that fill the air.

Contrary to Dick Cheney's accusation that the administration is "dithering," many of us feel that a period of discernment is clearly called for in Afghanistan. We know what Cheney wants America to do -- he never dithered, even when there were no facts to support his case for more war. Dick Cheney always wants to fight. But Cheney's foreign policy was an embarrassment for America, and a tragedy for the rest of the world. And not to follow his advice is always a good first step of moral wisdom.

But we need more than that. What we need is a whole new approach in Afghanistan. The argument in Washington, D.C. is far too narrow. Two points of view are contending inside the Obama team, and on Capitol Hill. One supports a robust strategy of counter-insurgency, requiring a substantial escalation of troops that would bring the total number of U.S. forces to as many as 100,000. The other prefers counter-terrorism, relying on the most sophisticated technology and Special Forces precision to focus on the most dangerous operatives who are the greatest threat to us.

Of course these are all old arguments. Counter-insurgency increases the massive American footprint in Afghanistan, which is clearly one of the primary causes of our failures in that country thus far. Add in a corrupt Afghan government, a radically decentralized society, and a physical terrain that has confounded every other occupier in history there; it doesn't make many of us hopeful, and painfully reminds us of a history that deeply formed us. The laser-like precision of our counter-terrorist missiles and unmanned drones may cost less in American lives and treasure, but they often don't just hit the bad guys. They have resulted in serious civilian casualties, even further alienating the populace and producing more angry young recruits for terrorism. And the solution that may be emerging in Washington could be a confused combination of the two strategies, bringing us the worst of both worlds.

We need a whole different approach.

We should know by now, and most of those on the ground in places like Afghanistan do, that what re-builds a broken nation; inspires confidence, trust, and hope among its people; and most effectively undermines terrorism is an old and proven idea -- massive humanitarian assistance and sustainable economic development. And it costs less -- far less -- than continued war. Perhaps this was best put by Richard Stearns, the U.S. president of World Vision, at a recent meeting of President Obama's Council on Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships in Washington, D.C., when he said, "The best face of America for the world is a baseball hat and not a helmet."

Many of us have advised the president that the people who know places like Afghanistan the best are neither the military nor the private contractors who increasingly dominate U.S. foreign policy in war-torn regions. Rather they are the NGOs doing relief and development work who have been there for years, have become quite indigenous, and are much more trusted by the people of the country than are the U.S. military or their mercenary friends.

So here is the new approach. Lead with what works -- development. Yes, effective development needs security, and when you massively intervene in a country as much as the U.S. has in Afghanistan, you can't responsibly just walk away -- as has tragically happened to this country too many times before. But we should lead with development now, and only provide the security necessary to protect the strategic rebuilding of the country that is urgently needed -- and that kind of security might better attract the international involvement we so desperately need in Afghanistan, even from Arab and Muslim countries.

And here is an idea of how to do that. Bring to the White House the international organizations who know Afghanistan well because they have been there so long -- such as World Vision, Mercy Corps, Catholic Relief Services, Oxfam, Tearfund, Christian Aid, Church World Service -- and many others. Ask them what U.S. policy would best work, and what kind of security they would need to really do the kind of development in Afghanistan that is most needed.

Let the non-military strategies lead the way, rather than the other way around, which often just makes aid and development work another weapon of war; but then provide the security needed for that work, and make it as international as possible. Also bring in some of the religious and other nonprofit leaders from the Obama Advisory Council and others, to focus on the deeply ethical and moral issues that are at stake in our decisions about future policy in Afghanistan -- legitimately protecting Americans from further terrorism, defending women from the Taliban, developing a diplomatic surge, genuinely supporting democracy, and saving innocent lives from the collateral damage of war -- to name a few.

The conversation is much too narrow right now on Pennsylvania Avenue and at the U. S. Congress. It's time for a deeper look and a whole new approach. Stupid people might call that dithering; smart people would call it discernment.

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by: Jeffrey Courter

10-30-2009 @ 11:38am

As an American Soldier who has actually been to Afghanistan and tried to help those hapless poor people, I can tell you your assessment is on target - the Afghans are clan-based and xenophobic, without regard for the modern concept of human rights as we know them. Should we ignore them? We cannot, for the Taliban supported al Qaeda in the past, and will do so again as soon as allowed to come to power.

Security comes from enforcement by use of arms...unfortunately, human history shows our progress often is only gained by the conflict of combat. In America, slavery was ended by our own civil war. If humanity were smarter, we would have avoided all the bloodshed, but those who profit from oppression always seem intent on holding onto power by use of force.

Freedom is always wrested from the oppressor - we who are in the trenches must choose which side we will follow, and be willing to fight for those rights we believe in as we see them. It's not a perfect system by any stretch of the imagination, but it seems to be the only choice we have at times - to stand aside and do nothing is to allow oppression and evil to continue.

by: ryoder

10-30-2009 @ 3:29pm

Lead with development strategy rather then military is sound thinking. In order to improve quality of life and distributive justice with development strategies requires rule of law, particularly protection of individual property rights and enforcement of contract law, and capacity to implement development at local, regional, and national levels. Both rule of law and development management capacity in Afghanistan are not sufficent to support massive development assistance. These deficencies are two of the most important reasons that development aid to Afghanistan has not improved quality of life and distributive justice for the vast majority of Afghans during the last 4-5 decades.

by: Jeffrey Courter

10-30-2009 @ 11:47am

I must edit my comments, for I seem to have put all Afghans in the same category, which would be unfair. Many Afghans embrace Western ideals such as freedom of speech and religion, and most Afghans sincerely want progress for their country. However, as a whole, they are very conservative, and much of their culture is based on tribal affiliations.

My tour of duty was in a very rural part of Afghanistan, where there were no paved roads, no running water or sewers, no electricity, no hospitals, scarcely a school to be found, and most Afghans there lived in houses made of mud, heated by wood fires. There is no word for "toy" in their language in this part of Afghanistan, and none could be found.

Given such dire living conditions, it is easy to feel sympathy for the Afghans, and I indeed did. They want to see their children grow and thrive. They do not want to be terrorized by the Taliban as they are in much of Afghanistan today.

I think it would be fair to say that the average Afghan, like the average American or European, longs for peace - lasting, abiding peace. I hope we can help them attain this.

by: ryoder

10-30-2009 @ 3:29pm

Lead with development strategy rather then military is sound thinking. In order to improve quality of life and distributive justice with development strategies requires rule of law, particularly protection of individual property rights and enforcement of contract law, and capacity to implement development at local, regional, and national levels. Both rule of law and development management capacity in Afghanistan are not sufficent to support massive development assistance. These deficencies are two of the most important reasons that development aid to Afghanistan has not improved quality of life and distributive justice for the vast majority of Afghans during the last 4-5 decades.

by: WitnessforPeace

10-30-2009 @ 5:31pm

That's a great book!!
. . If I think hard, maybe I can think of a time when I agreed with Cheney. But not now.....Soccer parent duty calls 'n all that.
To answer my own question: SoJo is more thoughtful on this topic for purely partisan reasons. They are disagreeing with a Democrat, so they tread lightly. But what I've observed recently is that Republicans are always savaged, and even the simplest alternatives to national health care, like selling insurance across state lines, are ignored or assumed to be inherently immoral.
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10-30-2009 @ 5:46pm

Thankfully, Sojourners is more than Jim Wallis, just as Focus on the Family is more than Jim Dobson. They are mirror images, in a way: committed Christians and very politically active. Behind the scenes each probably does more good work than in public. Focus has great articles and resources for parenting--stuff that many folks wouldn't listen to from other sources. Sojourners works in the inner city, and some of their columnists are more moderate than Jim Wallis.

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10-30-2009 @ 5:31pm

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. . If I think hard, maybe I can think of a time when I agreed with Cheney. But not now.....Soccer parent duty calls 'n all that.
To answer my own question: SoJo is more thoughtful on this topic for purely partisan reasons. They are disagreeing with a Democrat, so they tread lightly. But what I've observed recently is that Republicans are always savaged, and even the simplest alternatives to national health care, like selling insurance across state lines, are ignored or assumed to be inherently immoral.
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We haven't been to war with Mexico in a long time. We did do successful nation building in Germany and Japan. Should we examine those experiments and see how to replicate?
I don't understand all these questions about terrain. How did we manage to win wars in jungles of Asia and deserts of North Africa, and Kuwait, but can't win one in the terrain of Afghanistan? Yes, there are mountains in Afghanistan with difficult passes. Did we not have the same in southern Germany and northern Italy?
I know the terrain in Afghanistan. I lived there for 3 years, and not just in Kabul.

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10-31-2009 @ 10:04am

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I have also noticed that many in the news media still refer to him as "Vice President Dick Cheney". Can we at least put "former" in front of that?

I think his work creating reasons to go to war in Iraq within the Office of Special Plans earned him a bad reputation. He and so many other Neo-conservatives who are willing to send others to war, but took deferments when it was their time to go.

I once read that the US employs more people on one battleship than the entire staff of the U.S. State dept.

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We did successful nation re-building (emphasis on re-) in Germany and Japan. They both had a strong national history and identity, and the physical devastation of WWII only lasted a few years. Afghanistan is much more tribal-based and has been in turmoil for 30 years -- at least a generation of Afghans has never known anything but the chaos of military conflict. Also, in northern Italy there were indigenous groups fighting with us against an occupying (German) army, and in southern Germany -- my history is shakier here, but by the time Allied forces got to Germany the army began retreating to defend Berlin, didn't it?
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11-03-2009 @ 2:57am

You are the ones using false and inflammatory language. No one was bashed. Bashing is hitting. He stated a clear ethical opinion shared by many throughout the world about Cheney's performance. Neither is it prejudice to evaluate unethical behavior after the fact. Many think Dick Cheney is a liar and a war criminal. There is a great deal of evidence pointing in that direction. All things considered I would say JW's thoughts were restrained and to the point.
The point is that rushing to escalate a war, WitnessforPeace, especially in a country divided in control between drug dealing warlords, drug dealing religious fanatics and a the puppet governor of a country/empire that has completely failed since Japan, and Germany after WW2 to intervene militarily and establish a peaceful , prosperous and just society anywhere, may not be such a good idea.

While I think Jim offers a good model The presumption that Obama is looking for good models strains credulity. What was wrong with the leadership, the past record or the direction offered by Van Jones? So if he assigned someone to pursue Jim's policy, what would keep him from letting Glenn Beck force his or her resignation? Obama talks leadership but continuously displays weakness and retreat in the face of any serious opposition. He relies for guidance not on a commitment to peace and justice, but on the advice of "experts" who sell themselves as pragmatists able to insure reelection to his party. The core of their "vision" is the control of campaign money. How this results in a meaningfully better or different policy than that of the last 8 years I fail to see. I predict military, economic and political disaster if he continues on his current path.
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11-03-2009 @ 2:57am

You are the ones using false and inflammatory language. No one was bashed. Bashing is hitting. He stated a clear ethical opinion shared by many throughout the world about Cheney's performance. Neither is it prejudice to evaluate unethical behavior after the fact. Many think Dick Cheney is a liar and a war criminal. There is a great deal of evidence pointing in that direction. All things considered I would say JW's thoughts were restrained and to the point.
The point is that rushing to escalate a war, WitnessforPeace, especially in a country divided in control between drug dealing warlords, drug dealing religious fanatics and a the puppet governor of a country/empire that has completely failed since Japan, and Germany after WW2 to intervene militarily and establish a peaceful , prosperous and just society anywhere, may not be such a good idea.

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by: letjusticerolldown

10-29-2009 @ 3:20pm

Wallis offers an interesting third alternative. But how do we consider any of them without an articulation of objectives: objectives of the Afghan nation; objectives of United Nations; objectives of those in region; objectives of United States government; obectives of NGO's etc?

by: letjusticerolldown

10-29-2009 @ 3:20pm

Wallis offers an interesting third alternative. But how do we consider any of them without an articulation of objectives: objectives of the Afghan nation; objectives of United Nations; objectives of those in region; objectives of United States government; obectives of NGO's etc?

by: patlelvis

10-29-2009 @ 4:50pm

I agree wholeheartedly with the article on a new approach to AFghanistan. As a person who lived in that part of the world for many years, I see this as the wisest move. I wrote to President Obama many months ago spelling out just this idea. How do we get a ground swell of voices so as to get the attention of the decision-makers?
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by: patlelvis

10-29-2009 @ 4:50pm

I agree wholeheartedly with the article on a new approach to AFghanistan. As a person who lived in that part of the world for many years, I see this as the wisest move. I wrote to President Obama many months ago spelling out just this idea. How do we get a ground swell of voices so as to get the attention of the decision-makers?
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by: WitnessforPeace

10-29-2009 @ 4:53pm

Not only interesting, but well put. Sojourners has finally spoken out thoughtfully on Afghanistan. Why weren't they thoughtful on health care? Why not thoughtfully consider the many alternatives to Obamacare, including selling insurance across state lines?

Bound by this guideline"I will hold others accountable by clicking 'report' on comments that violate these principles"
I must report the original column for its prejudicial assumptions concerning Dick Cheney, suggesting that he's always wrong and we must do exactly the opposite.

"I will not exaggerate others' beliefs nor make unfounded prejudicial assumptions based on labels, categories, or stereotypes. I will always extend the benefit of the doubt. "
Perhaps Glenn Beck has been granted that benefit by SoJoNet, but certainly Cheney hasn't received it today.

by: WitnessforPeace

10-29-2009 @ 4:53pm

Not only interesting, but well put. Sojourners has finally spoken out thoughtfully on Afghanistan. Why weren't they thoughtful on health care? Why not thoughtfully consider the many alternatives to Obamacare, including selling insurance across state lines?

Bound by this guideline"I will hold others accountable by clicking 'report' on comments that violate these principles"
I must report the original column for its prejudicial assumptions concerning Dick Cheney, suggesting that he's always wrong and we must do exactly the opposite.

"I will not exaggerate others' beliefs nor make unfounded prejudicial assumptions based on labels, categories, or stereotypes. I will always extend the benefit of the doubt. "
Perhaps Glenn Beck has been granted that benefit by SoJoNet, but certainly Cheney hasn't received it today.

by: nuclearferret

10-29-2009 @ 4:57pm

"We," the US government, has no business in Afghanistan at all. Neither as a military presence, nor as a "humanitarian" one either. Taxes are not paid, or rather more accurately, loans from China should not be taken out to pass on to some other country's citizens. Nor is it the US military role to provide security for private interests overseas, whether they be multinational oil companies or multinational aid organizations.

Afghanistan should be left to the NGOs to do their work; not the US taxpayers.

by: nuclearferret

10-29-2009 @ 4:57pm

"We," the US government, has no business in Afghanistan at all. Neither as a military presence, nor as a "humanitarian" one either. Taxes are not paid, or rather more accurately, loans from China should not be taken out to pass on to some other country's citizens. Nor is it the US military role to provide security for private interests overseas, whether they be multinational oil companies or multinational aid organizations.

Afghanistan should be left to the NGOs to do their work; not the US taxpayers.

by: duhsciple

10-29-2009 @ 5:02pm

I agree that we should not demonize opponents.

And I wonder when Mr. Cheney has been right when it comes to Iraq and Afghanistan. I lost my confidence, after initial support, when the WMDs never materialized and we were not greeted as liberators.

In terms of this article, when the choice is broadly between military versus development solutions, I also believe the latter is more effective and less expensive. Folks like Greg Mortenson (book "3 cups of tea") demonstrate what this alternative to military solutions might look like.

I don't know that Mr. Cheney is always wrong, but I believe he is wrong in his belief that military force is going to be effective going forward.

by: duhsciple

10-29-2009 @ 5:02pm

I agree that we should not demonize opponents.

And I wonder when Mr. Cheney has been right when it comes to Iraq and Afghanistan. I lost my confidence, after initial support, when the WMDs never materialized and we were not greeted as liberators.

In terms of this article, when the choice is broadly between military versus development solutions, I also believe the latter is more effective and less expensive. Folks like Greg Mortenson (book "3 cups of tea") demonstrate what this alternative to military solutions might look like.

I don't know that Mr. Cheney is always wrong, but I believe he is wrong in his belief that military force is going to be effective going forward.

by: keithgkondrich

10-29-2009 @ 5:05pm

I strongly encourage you to read "The War We Can't Win - Afghanistan & the Limits of American Power", by Andrew J. Bacevich, recently published in Commonweal Magazine.

http://www.commonwealmagazine.org/article.php3?...

Here's an excerpt:

"For those who, despite all this, still hanker to have a go at nation building, why start with Afghanistan? Why not first fix, say, Mexico? In terms of its importance to the United States, our southern neighbor-a major supplier of oil and drugs among other commodities deemed vital to the American way of life-outranks Afghanistan by several orders of magnitude.

"If one believes that moral considerations rather than self-interest should inform foreign policy, Mexico still qualifies for priority attention. Consider the theft of California. Or consider more recently how the American appetite for illicit drugs and our liberal gun laws have corroded Mexican institutions and produced an epidemic of violence afflicting ordinary Mexicans. We owe these people, big-time.

"Yet any politician calling for the commitment of sixty thousand U.S. troops to Mexico to secure those interests or acquit those moral obligations would be laughed out of Washington-and rightly so. Any pundit proposing that the United States assume responsibility for eliminating the corruption that is endemic in Mexican politics while establishing in Mexico City effective mechanisms of governance would have his license to pontificate revoked. Anyone suggesting that the United States possesses the wisdom and the wherewithal to solve the problem of Mexican drug trafficking, to endow Mexico with competent security forces, and to reform the Mexican school system (while protecting the rights of Mexican women) would be dismissed as a lunatic. Meanwhile, those who promote such programs for Afghanistan, ignoring questions of cost and ignoring as well the corruption and ineffectiveness that pervade our own institutions, are treated like sages."

Once again, Sojourners is giving Obama a "pass" by not coming out and clearly condemning this war.

by: keithgkondrich

10-29-2009 @ 5:05pm

I strongly encourage you to read "The War We Can't Win - Afghanistan & the Limits of American Power", by Andrew J. Bacevich, recently published in Commonweal Magazine.

http://www.commonwealmagazine.org/article.php3?...

Here's an excerpt:

"For those who, despite all this, still hanker to have a go at nation building, why start with Afghanistan? Why not first fix, say, Mexico? In terms of its importance to the United States, our southern neighbor-a major supplier of oil and drugs among other commodities deemed vital to the American way of life-outranks Afghanistan by several orders of magnitude.

"If one believes that moral considerations rather than self-interest should inform foreign policy, Mexico still qualifies for priority attention. Consider the theft of California. Or consider more recently how the American appetite for illicit drugs and our liberal gun laws have corroded Mexican institutions and produced an epidemic of violence afflicting ordinary Mexicans. We owe these people, big-time.

"Yet any politician calling for the commitment of sixty thousand U.S. troops to Mexico to secure those interests or acquit those moral obligations would be laughed out of Washington-and rightly so. Any pundit proposing that the United States assume responsibility for eliminating the corruption that is endemic in Mexican politics while establishing in Mexico City effective mechanisms of governance would have his license to pontificate revoked. Anyone suggesting that the United States possesses the wisdom and the wherewithal to solve the problem of Mexican drug trafficking, to endow Mexico with competent security forces, and to reform the Mexican school system (while protecting the rights of Mexican women) would be dismissed as a lunatic. Meanwhile, those who promote such programs for Afghanistan, ignoring questions of cost and ignoring as well the corruption and ineffectiveness that pervade our own institutions, are treated like sages."

Once again, Sojourners is giving Obama a "pass" by not coming out and clearly condemning this war.

by: christopher49

10-29-2009 @ 5:07pm

Glad to hear a resounding criticism of Cheney's policy of "shoot first, ask questions later"....or ask no questions at all.
The fact he still gets media coverage and even credibility from some circles amazes me.
For all of Obama's seeming astuteness to the issues, I too agree that what we - and other nations before us - have done in this country simply will not work.
Time to push the reset button and look at a new approach.

by: christopher49

10-29-2009 @ 5:07pm

Glad to hear a resounding criticism of Cheney's policy of "shoot first, ask questions later"....or ask no questions at all.
The fact he still gets media coverage and even credibility from some circles amazes me.
For all of Obama's seeming astuteness to the issues, I too agree that what we - and other nations before us - have done in this country simply will not work.
Time to push the reset button and look at a new approach.

by: jawi

10-29-2009 @ 5:09pm

I like the idea. We, the Dutch, have been trying this: the military to facilitate rebuilding, assisting the country. The swing has been more that the military facilitates the military to do something like rebuilding.
As an agricultural development worker, I have not been in Afghanistan, yet pretend to know the region.
I would not dream of going to the country simply because of the prohibitive security situation.
Afghanistan is a different society, with a population with strong muslim convictions. Predominantly though is its clan based "society", in which a central government has only limited respect and powers. Do we want the clan structure to disintegrate? That needs much more than assistance and good intentions. Have a look at, now disintegrating Yemen with a likewise clan structure, which has received considerable aid since the 60ties. What progress have we seen?
These people reap what they sow and that's not love. These people need Jesus indeed. The (spiritual) leaders and their gods refuse to accept the presence of Christians (anything western) exactly for that reason. They will not surrender the power of that domain. How then? This will need time and more time, conversion of Afghans to accept Jesus as is happening in the Arab countries and indeed brave brothers and sisters to be a light in those dark domains.

by: jawi

10-29-2009 @ 5:09pm

I like the idea. We, the Dutch, have been trying this: the military to facilitate rebuilding, assisting the country. The swing has been more that the military facilitates the military to do something like rebuilding.
As an agricultural development worker, I have not been in Afghanistan, yet pretend to know the region.
I would not dream of going to the country simply because of the prohibitive security situation.
Afghanistan is a different society, with a population with strong muslim convictions. Predominantly though is its clan based "society", in which a central government has only limited respect and powers. Do we want the clan structure to disintegrate? That needs much more than assistance and good intentions. Have a look at, now disintegrating Yemen with a likewise clan structure, which has received considerable aid since the 60ties. What progress have we seen?
These people reap what they sow and that's not love. These people need Jesus indeed. The (spiritual) leaders and their gods refuse to accept the presence of Christians (anything western) exactly for that reason. They will not surrender the power of that domain. How then? This will need time and more time, conversion of Afghans to accept Jesus as is happening in the Arab countries and indeed brave brothers and sisters to be a light in those dark domains.

by: SisterMarie

10-29-2009 @ 5:33pm

I believe that there was a window of opportunity in Afghanistan during which that nation could have been placed on a correct course and stabilized. Originally, all that we asked was that the existing government there cease offering a sanctuary to bin Laden and his followers. At some point, our objective changed to replacing the government, and even that strategy might have been effective if we had not abandoned the effort there in order to launch a war in Iraq.

Dick Cheney was one of the main architects behind that failed policy, and his ideas about what policies we should now be pursuing carry no credibility. The Taliban's treatment of women and other religious restrictions that they would institute are absolutely repugnant. But they do not differ significantly from that of Saudi Arabia and other Arab nations which we have somehow accomodated.

I sincerely hope that President Obama will be able to formulate a policy that will hasten our exit from that portion of the world and reduces our involvement in the loss of lives. If he does, he will have earned the gratitude of peace-loving people everywhere. If he does not, he will deserve the disdain and contempt in which we hold the previous administration which created this nightmare.

by: SisterMarie

10-29-2009 @ 5:33pm

I believe that there was a window of opportunity in Afghanistan during which that nation could have been placed on a correct course and stabilized. Originally, all that we asked was that the existing government there cease offering a sanctuary to bin Laden and his followers. At some point, our objective changed to replacing the government, and even that strategy might have been effective if we had not abandoned the effort there in order to launch a war in Iraq.

Dick Cheney was one of the main architects behind that failed policy, and his ideas about what policies we should now be pursuing carry no credibility. The Taliban's treatment of women and other religious restrictions that they would institute are absolutely repugnant. But they do not differ significantly from that of Saudi Arabia and other Arab nations which we have somehow accomodated.

I sincerely hope that President Obama will be able to formulate a policy that will hasten our exit from that portion of the world and reduces our involvement in the loss of lives. If he does, he will have earned the gratitude of peace-loving people everywhere. If he does not, he will deserve the disdain and contempt in which we hold the previous administration which created this nightmare.

by: garymstevens

10-29-2009 @ 5:35pm

Jim Wallis has missed the point. Neither the military nor private contractors have dictated foreign policy. These are merely the tools of a government which has deteriorated from the high ideals of the Constitution into a self-centered focus on personal gain. We should not be asking what to do about Afghanistan. We should be asking why we the people have allowed our government to become so arrogant as to think the world needs us to straighten out all their problems. Weak homes produce weak leaders, and weakness is not measured in terms of wealth. Weakness is lack of godly morality. Jim should be embarrassed as a Christian to even suggest that a government should take the earned property of individuals and distribute it to another country which does not need us nor want us. But then he has made this suggestion at home as well with socialized medicine. The government of the United States is not concerned about security. It is concerned with filling its own pockets with the extra money each of us has to pay for airport security personnel and equipment that provides for no more security than before. It is not concerned with medicine for the poor as much as to add levels of government bureaucracy which cost more than the care itself. Jim Wallis should be concerned with a government which has lost its way, a government uninterested with the freedom of its citizens, a government set on controlling the world's resources so that it can continue to make the rich richer and the poor poorer. And Jim should quit telling us how he has the ear of a president when he is not repeatedly telling that president, and everyone else, that they all need to return to the only foundation for morality.

by: garymstevens

10-29-2009 @ 5:35pm

Jim Wallis has missed the point. Neither the military nor private contractors have dictated foreign policy. These are merely the tools of a government which has deteriorated from the high ideals of the Constitution into a self-centered focus on personal gain. We should not be asking what to do about Afghanistan. We should be asking why we the people have allowed our government to become so arrogant as to think the world needs us to straighten out all their problems. Weak homes produce weak leaders, and weakness is not measured in terms of wealth. Weakness is lack of godly morality. Jim should be embarrassed as a Christian to even suggest that a government should take the earned property of individuals and distribute it to another country which does not need us nor want us. But then he has made this suggestion at home as well with socialized medicine. The government of the United States is not concerned about security. It is concerned with filling its own pockets with the extra money each of us has to pay for airport security personnel and equipment that provides for no more security than before. It is not concerned with medicine for the poor as much as to add levels of government bureaucracy which cost more than the care itself. Jim Wallis should be concerned with a government which has lost its way, a government uninterested with the freedom of its citizens, a government set on controlling the world's resources so that it can continue to make the rich richer and the poor poorer. And Jim should quit telling us how he has the ear of a president when he is not repeatedly telling that president, and everyone else, that they all need to return to the only foundation for morality.

by: ddbanks

10-29-2009 @ 5:40pm

Cheney had his chance and he didn't accomplish victory. Our president is under tremendous pressure and I pray daily for him to be directed by God to make the best decision about the war and other policies that he is faced with.

by: ddbanks

10-29-2009 @ 5:40pm

Cheney had his chance and he didn't accomplish victory. Our president is under tremendous pressure and I pray daily for him to be directed by God to make the best decision about the war and other policies that he is faced with.

by: duhsciple

10-29-2009 @ 5:53pm

I read the article as opposing military solutions. It seems clear to me that Sojo doesn't think war is the answer.

Meanwhile, it is true that there are limits to power. We cannot impose or fix other countries.

What do you suggest for Mexico and Afghanistan?

by: duhsciple

10-29-2009 @ 5:53pm

I read the article as opposing military solutions. It seems clear to me that Sojo doesn't think war is the answer.

Meanwhile, it is true that there are limits to power. We cannot impose or fix other countries.

What do you suggest for Mexico and Afghanistan?

by: judithod

10-29-2009 @ 5:53pm

Amazing how many commanders-in-chief have risen to advise the president on what course should be followed in Afghanistan. Never mind that these would-be commanders don't know what the president knows, much less what the military officers on the ground in Afghanistan know.

by: judithod

10-29-2009 @ 5:53pm

Amazing how many commanders-in-chief have risen to advise the president on what course should be followed in Afghanistan. Never mind that these would-be commanders don't know what the president knows, much less what the military officers on the ground in Afghanistan know.

by: blehto

10-29-2009 @ 5:56pm

I agree with Jim Wallis' alternative idea. Of course, to implement this, it would take much discernment and planning. For instance, when inviting NGO's, who should be asked within the organization - the head people or those who work on the ground, who know the language, who live in the situation. I would say both. I also like the idea of including international NGO's, especially Muslim. Afterall, it is a Muslim country. Although I am a Christian believer I think that a respectful collaborative and cooperative approach needs to be sought among the stake holders. Another issue is corruption and greed and how do we provide the checks and balances to address this. Are we really interested in the welfare of the Afghan people, or are we trying to promote our own interests. This would show up in who gets contracts, who is employed to implement programs, etc.
Although the US perhaps should not have been so quick to strike, the fact is, they did take that approach rather than pursue other options. Responsibility needs to be taken for the decision that was made. We cannot leave that population to fend for itself.

by: blehto

10-29-2009 @ 5:56pm

I agree with Jim Wallis' alternative idea. Of course, to implement this, it would take much discernment and planning. For instance, when inviting NGO's, who should be asked within the organization - the head people or those who work on the ground, who know the language, who live in the situation. I would say both. I also like the idea of including international NGO's, especially Muslim. Afterall, it is a Muslim country. Although I am a Christian believer I think that a respectful collaborative and cooperative approach needs to be sought among the stake holders. Another issue is corruption and greed and how do we provide the checks and balances to address this. Are we really interested in the welfare of the Afghan people, or are we trying to promote our own interests. This would show up in who gets contracts, who is employed to implement programs, etc.
Although the US perhaps should not have been so quick to strike, the fact is, they did take that approach rather than pursue other options. Responsibility needs to be taken for the decision that was made. We cannot leave that population to fend for itself.

by: BillSamuel

10-29-2009 @ 5:57pm

That's a good proposal. The problem is that when President Obama sits down with his advisers, there is no one to present something like this. He appointed all hawks to key national security and foreign policy positions. So all that is being discussed when he and his advisers sit down are different versions of military options, coupled with other efforts that are considered supplementary of the main military option.

We have to raise enough stink in the public arena to get the President and those around him to pay attention. We have to make absolutely clear that we are not committed to any politician, and that he faces the same situation as LBJ did when it comes to re-election if he continues to pursue military "solutions." It is Obama's war, and we must not be afraid to say so. We need to build up the currently very weak peace faction in the Democratic Party so it can present a viable challenge to Obama in 2012.

And this is not his only war. Obama has put U.S. troops into active combat in the Philippines - a pure Obama war since we were not engaged in combat there under Bush. He is also establishing 7 new American military bases in Columbia, escalating American involvement in the military conflict there.

Obama just signed the largest military budget in U.S. history. He is a war President. Many of us predicted this based upon his record and his campaign positions, but Wallis, McLaren and many others refused to listen to the facts and signed on to a campaign for war.

Jim Wallis, Brian McLaren and others who claim to be for peace but who supported, either explicitly or implicitly, a pro-war candidate last year need to publicly apologize for their campaigning for war, and pledge never to do this again. They need to pledge to seriously work for peace, including opposing all militaristic candidates of any party.

by: BillSamuel

10-29-2009 @ 5:57pm

That's a good proposal. The problem is that when President Obama sits down with his advisers, there is no one to present something like this. He appointed all hawks to key national security and foreign policy positions. So all that is being discussed when he and his advisers sit down are different versions of military options, coupled with other efforts that are considered supplementary of the main military option.

We have to raise enough stink in the public arena to get the President and those around him to pay attention. We have to make absolutely clear that we are not committed to any politician, and that he faces the same situation as LBJ did when it comes to re-election if he continues to pursue military "solutions." It is Obama's war, and we must not be afraid to say so. We need to build up the currently very weak peace faction in the Democratic Party so it can present a viable challenge to Obama in 2012.

And this is not his only war. Obama has put U.S. troops into active combat in the Philippines - a pure Obama war since we were not engaged in combat there under Bush. He is also establishing 7 new American military bases in Columbia, escalating American involvement in the military conflict there.

Obama just signed the largest military budget in U.S. history. He is a war President. Many of us predicted this based upon his record and his campaign positions, but Wallis, McLaren and many others refused to listen to the facts and signed on to a campaign for war.

Jim Wallis, Brian McLaren and others who claim to be for peace but who supported, either explicitly or implicitly, a pro-war candidate last year need to publicly apologize for their campaigning for war, and pledge never to do this again. They need to pledge to seriously work for peace, including opposing all militaristic candidates of any party.

by: Jazzaloha

10-29-2009 @ 6:04pm

"Bring to the White House the international organizations who know Afghanistan well because they have been there so long - such as World Vision, Mercy Corps, Catholic Relief Services, Oxfam, Tearfund, Christian Aid, Church World Service - and many others. Ask them what U.S. policy would best work, and what kind of security they would need to really do the kind of development in Afghanistan that is most needed."

This sounds sensible. But instead of waiting to go to the WH, can't these organizations explain their proposal in an Op-ed piece? I'd be curious to see how, and if, their security requirements would differ from the military's.

by: Jazzaloha

10-29-2009 @ 6:04pm

"Bring to the White House the international organizations who know Afghanistan well because they have been there so long - such as World Vision, Mercy Corps, Catholic Relief Services, Oxfam, Tearfund, Christian Aid, Church World Service - and many others. Ask them what U.S. policy would best work, and what kind of security they would need to really do the kind of development in Afghanistan that is most needed."

This sounds sensible. But instead of waiting to go to the WH, can't these organizations explain their proposal in an Op-ed piece? I'd be curious to see how, and if, their security requirements would differ from the military's.

by: robertsanders

10-29-2009 @ 6:35pm

Before discussing the validity of the Sojourners article on Afghanistan, it would be good to know why we are in there in the first place. To that end, let me suggest the following article, http://coldtype.net/Assets.08/pdfs/ If, as this article suggests, Afghanistan was invaded to secure access to the oil and gas of the Caspian basin, just as Iraq was invaded for its oil, then the reason for a military presence in Iraq and Afghanistan would be obvious. The real debate is over access to oil and whether or not to use military force to secure it. I think Obama knows all this. I will be very surprised if US troops completely leave Iraq. I expect long-term bases with some troops in them, and similarly for Afghanistan. As a Christian, I believe God judges nations and directs their destinies. The power politics played by the Bush administration, and not abandoned by Obama, will bear its inevitable fruit: the decline of the United States of America. I think we should get out of both Iraq and Afghanistan, leaving the NGOs to try to salvage the destruction carried out by the US military and local militia. The US can defend itself against terrorists by the normal means (not invasion of countries), and if truly threatened, the country can easily defend itself with half the present "defense budget."
Robert Sanders, www.rsanders.org

by: robertsanders

10-29-2009 @ 6:35pm

Before discussing the validity of the Sojourners article on Afghanistan, it would be good to know why we are in there in the first place. To that end, let me suggest the following article, http://coldtype.net/Assets.08/pdfs/ If, as this article suggests, Afghanistan was invaded to secure access to the oil and gas of the Caspian basin, just as Iraq was invaded for its oil, then the reason for a military presence in Iraq and Afghanistan would be obvious. The real debate is over access to oil and whether or not to use military force to secure it. I think Obama knows all this. I will be very surprised if US troops completely leave Iraq. I expect long-term bases with some troops in them, and similarly for Afghanistan. As a Christian, I believe God judges nations and directs their destinies. The power politics played by the Bush administration, and not abandoned by Obama, will bear its inevitable fruit: the decline of the United States of America. I think we should get out of both Iraq and Afghanistan, leaving the NGOs to try to salvage the destruction carried out by the US military and local militia. The US can defend itself against terrorists by the normal means (not invasion of countries), and if truly threatened, the country can easily defend itself with half the present "defense budget."
Robert Sanders, www.rsanders.org

by: Charlotte Pizzo

10-29-2009 @ 7:15pm

War has never been a good answer. Ministries of peace, of justice, of love are always the better tools. Let us be witnesses to faith and to honoring all people as those in the image of God.

by: Charlotte Pizzo

10-29-2009 @ 7:15pm

War has never been a good answer. Ministries of peace, of justice, of love are always the better tools. Let us be witnesses to faith and to honoring all people as those in the image of God.

by: jonheeringa

10-29-2009 @ 7:32pm

The scriptures tell us to be angry but in that anger not to sin yet I fear a perhaps justifed anger with Cheney has slipped into sin with name calling and deamonization that only detracts from an otherwise very sound article.

by: jonheeringa

10-29-2009 @ 7:32pm

The scriptures tell us to be angry but in that anger not to sin yet I fear a perhaps justifed anger with Cheney has slipped into sin with name calling and deamonization that only detracts from an otherwise very sound article.

by: kaycoder

10-29-2009 @ 7:34pm

What you are saying makes sense. Thank you for your thoughtful assessment of this situation.

Kay Coder

by: kaycoder

10-29-2009 @ 7:34pm

What you are saying makes sense. Thank you for your thoughtful assessment of this situation.

Kay Coder

by: NC77

10-29-2009 @ 9:39pm

Amen. God's righteousness will never come through the federal government. The U.S. government is godless.

by: NC77

10-29-2009 @ 9:39pm

Amen. God's righteousness will never come through the federal government. The U.S. government is godless.

by: WitnessforPeace

10-29-2009 @ 11:56pm

That's a great book!!
. . If I think hard, maybe I can think of a time when I agreed with Cheney. But not now.....Soccer parent duty calls 'n all that.
To answer my own question: SoJo is more thoughtful on this topic for purely partisan reasons. They are disagreeing with a Democrat, so they tread lightly. But what I've observed recently is that Republicans are always savaged, and even the simplest alternatives to national health care, like selling insurance across state lines, are ignored or assumed to be inherently immoral.
Sadly, I remain, trying to be, Witness4Peace

by: WitnessforPeace

10-29-2009 @ 11:56pm

That's a great book!!
. . If I think hard, maybe I can think of a time when I agreed with Cheney. But not now.....Soccer parent duty calls 'n all that.
To answer my own question: SoJo is more thoughtful on this topic for purely partisan reasons. They are disagreeing with a Democrat, so they tread lightly. But what I've observed recently is that Republicans are always savaged, and even the simplest alternatives to national health care, like selling insurance across state lines, are ignored or assumed to be inherently immoral.
Sadly, I remain, trying to be, Witness4Peace

by: irish_annie

10-30-2009 @ 2:58am

agreed. the entire paragraph bashing cheney didn't add anything to the discussion and rather diminished wallis as a credible voice for any sort of unity beyond the shallow and fragile uniformity of group think.

the rest of the article i enjoyed. can you imagine if we spent the billions building that we now spend destroying, what an effect it might have...?!

by: irish_annie

10-30-2009 @ 2:58am

agreed. the entire paragraph bashing cheney didn't add anything to the discussion and rather diminished wallis as a credible voice for any sort of unity beyond the shallow and fragile uniformity of group think.

the rest of the article i enjoyed. can you imagine if we spent the billions building that we now spend destroying, what an effect it might have...?!

by: Jeffrey Courter

10-30-2009 @ 11:38am

As an American Soldier who has actually been to Afghanistan and tried to help those hapless poor people, I can tell you your assessment is on target - the Afghans are clan-based and xenophobic, without regard for the modern concept of human rights as we know them. Should we ignore them? We cannot, for the Taliban supported al Qaeda in the past, and will do so again as soon as allowed to come to power.

Security comes from enforcement by use of arms...unfortunately, human history shows our progress often is only gained by the conflict of combat. In America, slavery was ended by our own civil war. If humanity were smarter, we would have avoided all the bloodshed, but those who profit from oppression always seem intent on holding onto power by use of force.

Freedom is always wrested from the oppressor - we who are in the trenches must choose which side we will follow, and be willing to fight for those rights we believe in as we see them. It's not a perfect system by any stretch of the imagination, but it seems to be the only choice we have at times - to stand aside and do nothing is to allow oppression and evil to continue.

by: Jeffrey Courter

10-30-2009 @ 11:38am

As an American Soldier who has actually been to Afghanistan and tried to help those hapless poor people, I can tell you your assessment is on target - the Afghans are clan-based and xenophobic, without regard for the modern concept of human rights as we know them. Should we ignore them? We cannot, for the Taliban supported al Qaeda in the past, and will do so again as soon as allowed to come to power.

Security comes from enforcement by use of arms...unfortunately, human history shows our progress often is only gained by the conflict of combat. In America, slavery was ended by our own civil war. If humanity were smarter, we would have avoided all the bloodshed, but those who profit from oppression always seem intent on holding onto power by use of force.

Freedom is always wrested from the oppressor - we who are in the trenches must choose which side we will follow, and be willing to fight for those rights we believe in as we see them. It's not a perfect system by any stretch of the imagination, but it seems to be the only choice we have at times - to stand aside and do nothing is to allow oppression and evil to continue.

by: Jeffrey Courter

10-30-2009 @ 11:47am

I must edit my comments, for I seem to have put all Afghans in the same category, which would be unfair. Many Afghans embrace Western ideals such as freedom of speech and religion, and most Afghans sincerely want progress for their country. However, as a whole, they are very conservative, and much of their culture is based on tribal affiliations.

My tour of duty was in a very rural part of Afghanistan, where there were no paved roads, no running water or sewers, no electricity, no hospitals, scarcely a school to be found, and most Afghans there lived in houses made of mud, heated by wood fires. There is no word for "toy" in their language in this part of Afghanistan, and none could be found.

Given such dire living conditions, it is easy to feel sympathy for the Afghans, and I indeed did. They want to see their children grow and thrive. They do not want to be terrorized by the Taliban as they are in much of Afghanistan today.

I think it would be fair to say that the average Afghan, like the average American or European, longs for peace - lasting, abiding peace. I hope we can help them attain this.

by: Jeffrey Courter

10-30-2009 @ 11:47am

I must edit my comments, for I seem to have put all Afghans in the same category, which would be unfair. Many Afghans embrace Western ideals such as freedom of speech and religion, and most Afghans sincerely want progress for their country. However, as a whole, they are very conservative, and much of their culture is based on tribal affiliations.

My tour of duty was in a very rural part of Afghanistan, where there were no paved roads, no running water or sewers, no electricity, no hospitals, scarcely a school to be found, and most Afghans there lived in houses made of mud, heated by wood fires. There is no word for "toy" in their language in this part of Afghanistan, and none could be found.

Given such dire living conditions, it is easy to feel sympathy for the Afghans, and I indeed did. They want to see their children grow and thrive. They do not want to be terrorized by the Taliban as they are in much of Afghanistan today.

I think it would be fair to say that the average Afghan, like the average American or European, longs for peace - lasting, abiding peace. I hope we can help them attain this.