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How Deadly Viper Character Assassins Undermines its Message with Co-opted Culture

An open letter to Zondervan and to Mike Foster and Jud Wilhite, authors of Deadly Viper Character Assassin: A Kung Fu Survival Guide for Life and Leadership.

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Let me begin by stating that I applaud the intent and subject matter of your book. Integrity and character in leadership needs to be discussed and should be an important part of leadership development. But the "theme" you have chosen and the application of that theme (particularly in your media clips) reveals a serious insensitivity to Asian culture and to the Asian-American community.

My contention has nothing to do with the content of the book itself (i.e. the material that discusses integrity and character). It is with the way in which you choose to co-opt Asian culture in inappropriate ways. Let me cite Edward Said in Orientalism where he states:

Orientalism can be discussed and analyzed as the corporate institution for dealing with the Orient -- dealing with it by making statements about it, authorizing views of it, describing it, by teaching it, settling it, ruling over it: in short, Orientalism as a Western style of dominating, restructuring, and having authority over the Orient.

Mike and Jud, you are two white males who are inappropriately co-opting another culture and using it to further the marketing of your book. You are not from our cultural framework, yet you feel that you have the authority to represent our culture before others. In other words, you are using what are important and significant cultural symbols to make a sale or to make your point. It is an affront to those who are a part of that culture. You'll notice that there are a number of individuals that take offense at the ways you misuse Chinese characters. You also confuse aspects of Japanese and Chinese cultures. These are two very distinct and ancient cultures that you did not take the time to understand before using those symbols as a fun way to market your products.

Here are some examples of the more glaring and egregious offenses:

  • This video clip is extremely offensive and portraying Asians in a cartoonish manner in order market your merchandise. Particularly offensive is the voiceover of a white person doing a faux Asian accent. And this image presents Asians as sinister enemies.
  • This quote reveals an insensitivity to the Chinese language and mocks Chinese names: "There is a killer called Zi Qi Qi Ren. No, this is not some communicable disease, but it certainly is deadly. This funky Chinese word..."
  • The use of Chinese characters and kanji in a non-sensical manner.

Other offenses:

  • The confusion and conflation of Chinese and Japanese cultures.
  • The use of Asian symbols, like a Japanese garden, kimonos, samurai swords in non-essential manner that does not honor the heritage or culture of Asians.
  • You are taking a caricature of Asian culture (the martial arts warrior, the ninja, etc.) and furthering the caricature rather than engaging Asian culture in a way that honors it.
  • The bottom line. You are representing a culture that you do not know very well to thousands of people. You are using another culture to make your message more fun. That is offensive to those of us who are of that culture and seek to honor our culture.

What specific things you can do:

  1. Issue a PUBLIC apology on your blog and other venues. To let the Christian community know that you have wounded your brothers and sisters in Christ. Whether that was your intent or not, that was the outcome. Admit your wrongdoings and seek forgiveness in a public manner because your offense was in a public setting.
  2. Immediately remove the offensive material or material that co-opts the Asian theme. They can be reposted, but with significant edits and after significant consultation with the Asian-American community.
  3. Drop the entire martial arts theme. It adds NOTHING to what you are trying to say. And as evidenced by the outpouring of concern, it distracts from your true message.
  4. Consult with leaders in the Asian-American community (there are many to choose from) and discuss ways to increase sensitivity (both for the authors and for Zondervan).

I appeal to your sense of Christian brotherhood/sisterhood. Your actions have deeply wounded many of your brothers and sisters in Christ. Lead with integrity by admitting wrong and be willing to make changes to address these wrongs.

I appeal to your sense of integrity to what is the main message of your work. Christians should be above this kind of childish characterization of another culture, particularly when the topic of your book is on character. Show the character that you are calling others to emulate.

Take ownership of your actions. Admit failure. Don't justify it. Seek ways to understand those that you have hurt and seek ways to redress these wrongs. Isn't that the ultimate expression of character and integrity?

Specifically to Zondervan:

This is your second egregious offense in the last few years. Clearly something is wrong with the structure and system of this publishing company that allows and even promotes cultural insensitivity to this degree. Maybe the answer comes from the pictures in your catalog and your Web site that show your editorial and publishing staff. Every single person is white. Please do not let this learning moment to pass by. Address the structural issues at Zondervan that allow this sort of offense to continue.

UPDATE: I was told that Zondervan is asking that all complaints be directed to: this link. I think it is appropriate to continue to let Zondervan know about our concerns.

portrait-soong-chan-rahSoong-Chan Rah is the author of The Next Evangelicalism: Freeing the Church from Western Cultural Captivity and is Milton B. Engebretson Associate Professor of Church Growth and Evangelism. Read more from him at www.profrah.com.

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by: ryanguard

11-20-2009 @ 1:11am

Thank you Jenni.

This is so frustrating.

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11-20-2009 @ 3:15am

Ok so we are choosing to hold on to worldly symbolism and worldly ideas that define who we are instead of sheding the worldly ideas and looking to the cross as the only symbol we should be allowing to represent us as the body of Christ I respect my brothers and sisters but I morn for the idea that no matter how much we clame to want to be joined together as the body of Christ we hold on to worldly ideas an images that we choose to let separate us. I think we should ask ourselves if our soul's have a race or if it is indeed our flesh and therefore our flesh's problem? and if holding on to these worldly symbols is in fact a way of holding on to idols? do these Icon's really matter. I have to tell you that these images in no way gave me a nagitive perception of Asians nor do I now hold any nagitive perception I think it using the idea of Ninja assassins to represent these character flaws was affective in conveying the message of stealth that these character flaws can come to destroy us. are all Asian's ninja assassins? to my knowledge no should you be insulted if you are a ninja Assassin? maybe... but are you one? I think the problum here is that you feel that because of the way one sect of your culture was "misrepresented" as an allegory you think that it will reflect on your society as a whole. for the most part I think most of us saw it as merely an allegory not a representation of the whole Asian culture. I'm sorry you are offened by this.

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11-20-2009 @ 3:41am

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by: Ben (of BenandJacq)

11-20-2009 @ 10:51am

What destructive attitudes toward women? That husbands ought to love them, and lay down their life for them?

Have you ever listened to Driscoll speak?

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by: ryanguard

11-20-2009 @ 1:11am

Thank you Jenni.

This is so frustrating.

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by: Rebecca A Reigh

11-20-2009 @ 3:15am

Ok so we are choosing to hold on to worldly symbolism and worldly ideas that define who we are instead of sheding the worldly ideas and looking to the cross as the only symbol we should be allowing to represent us as the body of Christ I respect my brothers and sisters but I morn for the idea that no matter how much we clame to want to be joined together as the body of Christ we hold on to worldly ideas an images that we choose to let separate us. I think we should ask ourselves if our soul's have a race or if it is indeed our flesh and therefore our flesh's problem? and if holding on to these worldly symbols is in fact a way of holding on to idols? do these Icon's really matter. I have to tell you that these images in no way gave me a nagitive perception of Asians nor do I now hold any nagitive perception I think it using the idea of Ninja assassins to represent these character flaws was affective in conveying the message of stealth that these character flaws can come to destroy us. are all Asian's ninja assassins? to my knowledge no should you be insulted if you are a ninja Assassin? maybe... but are you one? I think the problum here is that you feel that because of the way one sect of your culture was "misrepresented" as an allegory you think that it will reflect on your society as a whole. for the most part I think most of us saw it as merely an allegory not a representation of the whole Asian culture. I'm sorry you are offened by this.

by: oldyouthminister

01-05-2010 @ 7:14pm

I am a fifty four year old youth minister. Please make fun of me, ... oh but wait, ... that wouldn't be very funny. No one caricatures old youth ministers, oh wait, ... that happens every day! Asians have even allowed themselves to be caricatured themselves in this way for decades. Anglos have as well allowed this form of sarcasm and quasi flattery to exist by participating.
While I respect may possibly have taken offense to the Kung Fu approach, ... it is funny and not harmful, or malicious.

by: Rebecca A Reigh

11-20-2009 @ 3:41am

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by: ObserverBill

11-20-2009 @ 2:19pm

Is Rah's rant for real? Or is this an SNL-like take-off on a rant?

What this appears to be is a publicity stunt for Soong-Chan Rah's book. It certainly can't be a real complaint. No one who has read the book in question, or knows the author's sincere intentions, would make the accusations Rah does. It's clear he either (a) hasn't read the book, or (b) is using this as a platform to help him sell his own books.

If this rant is real then Soong-Chan Rah falls victim to one of the biggest sins in logic: He is guilty of the very thing of which he accuses others.

Racism is seeing the world from an egocentric perspective and judging all events/actions/statements by the measuring stick of one's race. It is a disease that suppresses the sufferer's sense of humor, and renders him/her incapable of (a) letting others speak freely and be themselves, and (b) acknowledging and embracing cultural differences.

A racist seeks to eliminate racism by expecting all references to racial differences be eliminated from public discourse. He/she seeks to abolish racism by demanding all others be "sensitive" to matters of race. Above all, a racist demands not to be treated equally, but in a superior fashion -- with kid gloves and trepidation lest proper words or near-royal deference fail to be observed.

In short, a racist doesn't celebrate diversity; he/she builds walls between the races by placing all comments about race under an unblinking, unforgiving microscope. He/she is a vivisectionist, as insidious as a slow-acting poison. Encountering such a person in the "world" is bad enough. But in the Body of Christ it's unconscionable.

Soong-Chan Rah has made a mountain out of a molehill, has done much to ruin the reputation of two very good authors, has leveled an unjust charge against a venerable Christian publisher, and has done nothing to solve a problem he, in fact, has helped to create.

It is Rah who should apologize -- not Zondervan, not the authors of Deadly Viper Character Assassins.

And I suspect Rah probably would...if he were not laughing all the way to the bank, or serving some unfathomable desire to call attention to himself by stirring up trouble.

by: ObserverBill

11-20-2009 @ 2:44pm

Incidentally, the proof of Rah's own (perhaps subconscious) racism is revealed in his closing words: "Maybe the answer comes from the pictures in your catalog and your Web site that show your editorial and publishing staff. Every single person is white. Please do not let this learning moment to pass by. Address the structural issues at Zondervan that allow this sort of offense to continue."

Does Rah actually believe that just because people are white they are, de facto, racists?

Can you imagine the crap-storm that would ensue if a white person looked at a company's employee roster and concluded that just because its employees are black or Asian that there's something inherently wrong with the company, that it can't possibly be anything other than racially insensitive?

Wow.

As I wrote earlier, Rah should apologize profusely.

by: Ben (of BenandJacq)

11-20-2009 @ 10:51am

What destructive attitudes toward women? That husbands ought to love them, and lay down their life for them?

Have you ever listened to Driscoll speak?

by: ObserverBill

11-20-2009 @ 2:19pm

Is Rah's rant for real? Or is this an SNL-like take-off on a rant?

What this appears to be is a publicity stunt for Soong-Chan Rah's book. It certainly can't be a real complaint. No one who has read the book in question, or knows the author's sincere intentions, would make the accusations Rah does. It's clear he either (a) hasn't read the book, or (b) is using this as a platform to help him sell his own books.

If this rant is real then Soong-Chan Rah falls victim to one of the biggest sins in logic: He is guilty of the very thing of which he accuses others.

Racism is seeing the world from an egocentric perspective and judging all events/actions/statements by the measuring stick of one's race. It is a disease that suppresses the sufferer's sense of humor, and renders him/her incapable of (a) letting others speak freely and be themselves, and (b) acknowledging and embracing cultural differences.

A racist seeks to eliminate racism by expecting all references to racial differences be eliminated from public discourse. He/she seeks to abolish racism by demanding all others be "sensitive" to matters of race. Above all, a racist demands not to be treated equally, but in a superior fashion -- with kid gloves and trepidation lest proper words or near-royal deference fail to be observed.

In short, a racist doesn't celebrate diversity; he/she builds walls between the races by placing all comments about race under an unblinking, unforgiving microscope. He/she is a vivisectionist, as insidious as a slow-acting poison. Encountering such a person in the "world" is bad enough. But in the Body of Christ it's unconscionable.

Soong-Chan Rah has made a mountain out of a molehill, has done much to ruin the reputation of two very good authors, has leveled an unjust charge against a venerable Christian publisher, and has done nothing to solve a problem he, in fact, has helped to create.

It is Rah who should apologize -- not Zondervan, not the authors of Deadly Viper Character Assassins.

And I suspect Rah probably would...if he were not laughing all the way to the bank, or serving some unfathomable desire to call attention to himself by stirring up trouble.

by: Amy_Sojo

11-20-2009 @ 5:35pm

I don't think Mr. Rah should apologize, I think he's absolutely right.
I'm a white woman and I didn't read anything racist into his comment about the staff at Zondervan. He didn't accuse them of being racists, he said they had allowed and promoted cultural insensitivity, which is obviously true. The president/CEO of Zondervan seems to agree, he has issued an apology and discontinued the material. It's already gone from their website.

I don't think he's saying that white people are by nature incapable of depicting other cultures with any accuracy, just that these authors obviously didn't do their homework and whether intentional or not, their book and the marketing of it is offensive. and I agree.

by: ObserverBill

11-20-2009 @ 2:44pm

Incidentally, the proof of Rah's own (perhaps subconscious) racism is revealed in his closing words: "Maybe the answer comes from the pictures in your catalog and your Web site that show your editorial and publishing staff. Every single person is white. Please do not let this learning moment to pass by. Address the structural issues at Zondervan that allow this sort of offense to continue."

Does Rah actually believe that just because people are white they are, de facto, racists?

Can you imagine the crap-storm that would ensue if a white person looked at a company's employee roster and concluded that just because its employees are black or Asian that there's something inherently wrong with the company, that it can't possibly be anything other than racially insensitive?

Wow.

As I wrote earlier, Rah should apologize profusely.

by: ObserverBill

11-20-2009 @ 6:35pm

I think you need to re-read Rah's comments -- particularly about Zondervan's employees -- and pay closer attention to what he's implying.

To understand my point, reverse the situation and use his own words about a different race (or gender). Try it once. See how it sounds.

Take XYZ Company, for example. "Every single person is Asian." Or "Every single person is black." Or "Every single person is female." And that's why...[fill in the blank].

Don't you see? Such a statement is, at face value, racist because it implies an imbalance that -- in the eyes of Rah -- needs to be corrected. It also implies that the "white" people at Zondervan aren't capable of anything less than racial insensitivity.

It's one thing to say the book Zondervan published was racially insensitive. It may have been. But Rah handled it very badly when he took it a step further and outright blamed the insensitivity on the "white" people at Zondervan. With that statement, he clearly crossed a line that should not have been crossed.

To make matters worse, he then *demanded* an apology from Zondervan and tapped his foot waiting. Such arrogance!

Zondervan, being the conscientious, deeply-spiritual company that it is, met Rah's demands. With that action, Zondervan took a much higher road than Rah did.

But let's say next time it isn't Asians. Next time, it's gay people who take offense at passages in the Bible that seem to indicate homosexuality is offensive to God. What then?

I have nothing against gay people. People can live their lives as they see fit. But my point is this: if a gay person looked at the employee roster of a Christian publisher and concluded there are no gays there and that's why it publishes books -- such as the Bible -- that seem to frown on homosexuality, then what? More demands. More retractions. More apologies. Then what? Delete passages in the Bible? Quit publishing Bibles for fear they'll offend somebody?

When does it all stop? When does the toe-tapping and demands and intolerance stop? What will society look like after everyone demands conformity from everyone else?

Mistakes happen. No one is perfect. But what Rah did crossed lines and was every bit as insulting as whatever offense he supposedly experienced from the book Deadly Viper Character Assassins.

by: cecillinke

11-20-2009 @ 6:46pm

Congrats! This rant has removed a great resource for all men and left another major gap in "western" culture - and probably an even bigger gap in creating a conversation between the western and eastern cultures.

by: adrianvender

11-20-2009 @ 7:21pm

Mr. Rah,
Although I don't believe you intended to make a racist comment regarding the Zondervan staff, it still came across as racist. You imply that perhaps they are culturally insensitive because they are white. Even assuming that you're right about their carelessness in allowing insensitive messages come out of their products, you can't just look at them and automatically blame it on their race. That would be racist. So, to kindly use your words:

"Whether that was your intent or not, that was the outcome. Admit your wrongdoings and seek forgiveness in a public manner because your offense was in a public setting."

by: Amy_Sojo

11-20-2009 @ 5:35pm

I don't think Mr. Rah should apologize, I think he's absolutely right.
I'm a white woman and I didn't read anything racist into his comment about the staff at Zondervan. He didn't accuse them of being racists, he said they had allowed and promoted cultural insensitivity, which is obviously true. The president/CEO of Zondervan seems to agree, he has issued an apology and discontinued the material. It's already gone from their website.

I don't think he's saying that white people are by nature incapable of depicting other cultures with any accuracy, just that these authors obviously didn't do their homework and whether intentional or not, their book and the marketing of it is offensive. and I agree.

by: ObserverBill

11-20-2009 @ 6:35pm

I think you need to re-read Rah's comments -- particularly about Zondervan's employees -- and pay closer attention to what he's implying.

To understand my point, reverse the situation and use his own words about a different race (or gender). Try it once. See how it sounds.

Take XYZ Company, for example. "Every single person is Asian." Or "Every single person is black." Or "Every single person is female." And that's why...[fill in the blank].

Don't you see? Such a statement is, at face value, racist because it implies an imbalance that -- in the eyes of Rah -- needs to be corrected. It also implies that the "white" people at Zondervan aren't capable of anything less than racial insensitivity.

It's one thing to say the book Zondervan published was racially insensitive. It may have been. But Rah handled it very badly when he took it a step further and outright blamed the insensitivity on the "white" people at Zondervan. With that statement, he clearly crossed a line that should not have been crossed.

To make matters worse, he then *demanded* an apology from Zondervan and tapped his foot waiting. Such arrogance!

Zondervan, being the conscientious, deeply-spiritual company that it is, met Rah's demands. With that action, Zondervan took a much higher road than Rah did.

But let's say next time it isn't Asians. Next time, it's gay people who take offense at passages in the Bible that seem to indicate homosexuality is offensive to God. What then?

I have nothing against gay people. People can live their lives as they see fit. But my point is this: if a gay person looked at the employee roster of a Christian publisher and concluded there are no gays there and that's why it publishes books -- such as the Bible -- that seem to frown on homosexuality, then what? More demands. More retractions. More apologies. Then what? Delete passages in the Bible? Quit publishing Bibles for fear they'll offend somebody?

When does it all stop? When does the toe-tapping and demands and intolerance stop? What will society look like after everyone demands conformity from everyone else?

Mistakes happen. No one is perfect. But what Rah did crossed lines and was every bit as insulting as whatever offense he supposedly experienced from the book Deadly Viper Character Assassins.

by: cecillinke

11-20-2009 @ 6:46pm

Congrats! This rant has removed a great resource for all men and left another major gap in "western" culture - and probably an even bigger gap in creating a conversation between the western and eastern cultures.

by: tupetewalker

11-21-2009 @ 2:56am

Yes I have. It was terrifying and tragic. Have you listened to Driscoll speak?"

by: GrantBortnem

11-26-2009 @ 1:00am

You make the claim in your call for an apology that the martial arts adds absolutely NOTHING which is patently untrue. I agree that the material in Deadly Viper could be perceived as offensive. But it wasn't co-opting the Asian cultures, it was a satirical spin on the campy, low-budget kung-fu movies that resonate with men in the western culture. The irony there is that they were co-opting the sub-culture created by "westernized martial arts or Orientalism" whatever you call it. And who were the one's marginalizing and exploiting Asian culture for profit? Raymond Chow and other producers of, get this, ASIAN descent. As far as using kanji and Chinese characters in a meaningless indiscriminate way, I have a Chinese restaurant in my neighborhood owned by a Taiwanese family that I am friends with. When I asked them what the characters on each of their windows translated to, they laughed. They said they were meaningless, and some of them weren't even real characters. That's right. They chose them purely because they were the "coolest" looking symbols that they thought the customers would like. Does that mean that they marginalized their culture so it would serve western marketing purposes? You bet it does. But Mr. Chow, my Taiwanese friends, and every other Asian is ALLOWED to exploit their culture for capital gain because they're Asian, correct? Just wanted to make sure I was following your argument. You are a proprietor of disunity and dissent. I beg you to overlook the possible shortcomings of your less enlightened, culturally insensitive brothers and sisters. The unity of the Church is the way the world will know that the Father sent the Son (John 17)

by: adrianvender

11-20-2009 @ 7:21pm

Mr. Rah,
Although I don't believe you intended to make a racist comment regarding the Zondervan staff, it still came across as racist. You imply that perhaps they are culturally insensitive because they are white. Even assuming that you're right about their carelessness in allowing insensitive messages come out of their products, you can't just look at them and automatically blame it on their race. That would be racist. So, to kindly use your words:

"Whether that was your intent or not, that was the outcome. Admit your wrongdoings and seek forgiveness in a public manner because your offense was in a public setting."

by: oldyouthminister

01-05-2010 @ 7:14pm

I am a fifty four year old youth minister. Please make fun of me, ... oh but wait, ... that wouldn't be very funny. No one caricatures old youth ministers, oh wait, ... that happens every day! Asians have even allowed themselves to be caricatured themselves in this way for decades. Anglos have as well allowed this form of sarcasm and quasi flattery to exist by participating.
While I respect may possibly have taken offense to the Kung Fu approach, ... it is funny and not harmful, or malicious.

by: tupetewalker

11-21-2009 @ 2:56am

Yes I have. It was terrifying and tragic. Have you listened to Driscoll speak?"

by: GrantBortnem

11-26-2009 @ 1:00am

You make the claim in your call for an apology that the martial arts adds absolutely NOTHING which is patently untrue. I agree that the material in Deadly Viper could be perceived as offensive. But it wasn't co-opting the Asian cultures, it was a satirical spin on the campy, low-budget kung-fu movies that resonate with men in the western culture. The irony there is that they were co-opting the sub-culture created by "westernized martial arts or Orientalism" whatever you call it. And who were the one's marginalizing and exploiting Asian culture for profit? Raymond Chow and other producers of, get this, ASIAN descent. As far as using kanji and Chinese characters in a meaningless indiscriminate way, I have a Chinese restaurant in my neighborhood owned by a Taiwanese family that I am friends with. When I asked them what the characters on each of their windows translated to, they laughed. They said they were meaningless, and some of them weren't even real characters. That's right. They chose them purely because they were the "coolest" looking symbols that they thought the customers would like. Does that mean that they marginalized their culture so it would serve western marketing purposes? You bet it does. But Mr. Chow, my Taiwanese friends, and every other Asian is ALLOWED to exploit their culture for capital gain because they're Asian, correct? Just wanted to make sure I was following your argument. You are a proprietor of disunity and dissent. I beg you to overlook the possible shortcomings of your less enlightened, culturally insensitive brothers and sisters. The unity of the Church is the way the world will know that the Father sent the Son (John 17)

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01-12-2010 @ 5:57am

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by: Common Loon

11-04-2009 @ 7:54pm

I'm disappointed in Zondervan. It appears they have not learned anything since the "Rickshaw Rally" debacle.

Eugene Cho has a terrific perspective on all of this.

http://eugenecho.wordpress.com/2009/11/04/deadl...

by: Sport Club Portugu

01-10-2010 @ 12:02pm

Nicely done, very impressive. Keep up the good work and of course, keep sharing your ideas.

by: abasch

11-04-2009 @ 7:10pm

Maybe you guys should talk this over at lunch to understand each others views.

PS - "Maybe the answer comes from the pictures in your catalog and your Web site that show your editorial and publishing staff. Every single person is white."

I do not appreciate that, and that comes across to me as a racist comment. Not that I think you are a racist, it is just the way it was stated in this letter. It offends me as an italian, romanian, russian, polish, jewish, -american.

Now in all seriousness, I hope that this can be resolved in a way that glorifies God. I think the open letter is a good start, but it may require something a bit more personal.

Also consider starting a peaceful and respectful petition.

by: abasch

11-04-2009 @ 7:10pm

Maybe you guys should talk this over at lunch to understand each others views.

PS - "Maybe the answer comes from the pictures in your catalog and your Web site that show your editorial and publishing staff. Every single person is white."

I do not appreciate that, and that comes across to me as a racist comment. Not that I think you are a racist, it is just the way it was stated in this letter. It offends me as an italian, romanian, russian, polish, jewish, -american.

Now in all seriousness, I hope that this can be resolved in a way that glorifies God. I think the open letter is a good start, but it may require something a bit more personal.

Also consider starting a peaceful and respectful petition.

by: bltblt

11-04-2009 @ 7:19pm

What was Zondervan's first egregious offense in the last two years? Saying the TNIV was a mistake?

by: bltblt

11-04-2009 @ 7:19pm

What was Zondervan's first egregious offense in the last two years? Saying the TNIV was a mistake?

by: Justin Fung

11-04-2009 @ 7:36pm

It was their "Skits that Teach" book, which featured the following lines for use by youth groups:

An excerpt from Zondervan's Skits That Teach by Eddie James and Tommy Woodward published in 2006. A skit book meant to be used by youth groups all over the US features the following:

"Herro, Dis is Wok's Up Restaurant calling to confirm your order. . . . I think that, yes, you total is 14 dollar 95 cent."

"Herro? This is Wok's Up Restaurant again. We have drive and drive, and we can't find you house. We don't find you house soon, you pu pu get cold. Pu pu good when it hot."

(Hostile) "Okay, we drive for long time looking for you house. I tell you, you go outside and I look for you. I am driving a red Rincon (Lincoln) Continental. You pu pu still getting cold. Bye!

"Okay, I drive for long time and I stil not find you house. So I am eating you pu pu! Ruckiry it still warm. I was hungry, so I eat it. Mmmmm . . . this pu pu is good. (Smacks lips a few times) You on my bad rist. You don't call us anymore. Bye!"

Fortunately, last time, Youth Specialties president Mark Oestreicher took a proactive approach to resolving the issue once it was raised and the material was withdrawn. Here are some more thoughts on that episode from Next Gener.Asian Church.

by: Justin Fung

11-04-2009 @ 7:36pm

It was their "Skits that Teach" book, which featured the following lines for use by youth groups:

An excerpt from Zondervan's Skits That Teach by Eddie James and Tommy Woodward published in 2006. A skit book meant to be used by youth groups all over the US features the following:

"Herro, Dis is Wok's Up Restaurant calling to confirm your order. . . . I think that, yes, you total is 14 dollar 95 cent."

"Herro? This is Wok's Up Restaurant again. We have drive and drive, and we can't find you house. We don't find you house soon, you pu pu get cold. Pu pu good when it hot."

(Hostile) "Okay, we drive for long time looking for you house. I tell you, you go outside and I look for you. I am driving a red Rincon (Lincoln) Continental. You pu pu still getting cold. Bye!

"Okay, I drive for long time and I stil not find you house. So I am eating you pu pu! Ruckiry it still warm. I was hungry, so I eat it. Mmmmm . . . this pu pu is good. (Smacks lips a few times) You on my bad rist. You don't call us anymore. Bye!"

Fortunately, last time, Youth Specialties president Mark Oestreicher took a proactive approach to resolving the issue once it was raised and the material was withdrawn. Here are some more thoughts on that episode from Next Gener.Asian Church.

by: JenniClayville

11-04-2009 @ 7:39pm

I'm Chinese... and I am not offended by any of their marketing. In fact, I think if you are, you're not looking at the point of their message at all. It's almost as if you're just looking for something to complain or write about.

No where do they claim to know the Asian culture. Are you really personally offended and hurt by their marketing?

I am, however, impressed how clearly you got your message across without attacking them. Kudos!

I hope this all gets cleared up for those who are offended... however... this is ONE Asian you don't have to feel you need to apologize to.

by: JenniClayville

11-04-2009 @ 7:39pm

I'm Chinese... and I am not offended by any of their marketing. In fact, I think if you are, you're not looking at the point of their message at all. It's almost as if you're just looking for something to complain or write about.

No where do they claim to know the Asian culture. Are you really personally offended and hurt by their marketing?

I am, however, impressed how clearly you got your message across without attacking them. Kudos!

I hope this all gets cleared up for those who are offended... however... this is ONE Asian you don't have to feel you need to apologize to.

by: canucklehead

11-04-2009 @ 7:47pm

Zondervan is owned by HarperCollins in turn owned by Rupert Murdoch and his media conglomerate which, last time I checked, said nothing about glorifying Christ or promoting Christian unity in its mission statement. What was it again that George Washington said about not being unequally yoked?

by: canucklehead

11-04-2009 @ 7:47pm

Zondervan is owned by HarperCollins in turn owned by Rupert Murdoch and his media conglomerate which, last time I checked, said nothing about glorifying Christ or promoting Christian unity in its mission statement. What was it again that George Washington said about not being unequally yoked?

by: jimgray69

11-04-2009 @ 7:52pm

Please read Mike and Jud's statement here ...Please pass it on...
http://www.deadlyviper.org/blog/?p=1970

by: Common Loon

11-04-2009 @ 7:54pm

I'm disappointed in Zondervan. It appears they have not learned anything since the "Rickshaw Rally" debacle.

Eugene Cho has a terrific perspective on all of this.

http://eugenecho.wordpress.com/2009/11/04/deadl...

by: tupetewalker

11-19-2009 @ 3:56pm

Now that this issue is getting brought to the forefront (as it should be) can someone PLEASE call out Mark Driscoll for the same destructive attitudes toward women and homosexuals?

by: tupetewalker

11-19-2009 @ 3:56pm

Now that this issue is getting brought to the forefront (as it should be) can someone PLEASE call out Mark Driscoll for the same destructive attitudes toward women and homosexuals?

by: ryanguard

11-20-2009 @ 1:11am

Thank you Jenni.

This is so frustrating.

by: Rebecca A Reigh

11-20-2009 @ 3:15am

Ok so we are choosing to hold on to worldly symbolism and worldly ideas that define who we are instead of sheding the worldly ideas and looking to the cross as the only symbol we should be allowing to represent us as the body of Christ I respect my brothers and sisters but I morn for the idea that no matter how much we clame to want to be joined together as the body of Christ we hold on to worldly ideas an images that we choose to let separate us. I think we should ask ourselves if our soul's have a race or if it is indeed our flesh and therefore our flesh's problem? and if holding on to these worldly symbols is in fact a way of holding on to idols? do these Icon's really matter. I have to tell you that these images in no way gave me a nagitive perception of Asians nor do I now hold any nagitive perception I think it using the idea of Ninja assassins to represent these character flaws was affective in conveying the message of stealth that these character flaws can come to destroy us. are all Asian's ninja assassins? to my knowledge no should you be insulted if you are a ninja Assassin? maybe... but are you one? I think the problum here is that you feel that because of the way one sect of your culture was "misrepresented" as an allegory you think that it will reflect on your society as a whole. for the most part I think most of us saw it as merely an allegory not a representation of the whole Asian culture. I'm sorry you are offened by this.

by: Rebecca A Reigh

11-20-2009 @ 3:41am

the unequally yoked sentiment is actually in the bible 2 Corinthians 6:14

by: Ben (of BenandJacq)

11-20-2009 @ 10:51am

What destructive attitudes toward women? That husbands ought to love them, and lay down their life for them?

Have you ever listened to Driscoll speak?

by: Ben (of BenandJacq)

11-20-2009 @ 10:51am

What destructive attitudes toward women? That husbands ought to love them, and lay down their life for them?

Have you ever listened to Driscoll speak?

by: ObserverBill

11-20-2009 @ 2:19pm

Is Rah's rant for real? Or is this an SNL-like take-off on a rant?

What this appears to be is a publicity stunt for Soong-Chan Rah's book. It certainly can't be a real complaint. No one who has read the book in question, or knows the author's sincere intentions, would make the accusations Rah does. It's clear he either (a) hasn't read the book, or (b) is using this as a platform to help him sell his own books.

If this rant is real then Soong-Chan Rah falls victim to one of the biggest sins in logic: He is guilty of the very thing of which he accuses others.

Racism is seeing the world from an egocentric perspective and judging all events/actions/statements by the measuring stick of one's race. It is a disease that suppresses the sufferer's sense of humor, and renders him/her incapable of (a) letting others speak freely and be themselves, and (b) acknowledging and embracing cultural differences.

A racist seeks to eliminate racism by expecting all references to racial differences be eliminated from public discourse. He/she seeks to abolish racism by demanding all others be "sensitive" to matters of race. Above all, a racist demands not to be treated equally, but in a superior fashion -- with kid gloves and trepidation lest proper words or near-royal deference fail to be observed.

In short, a racist doesn't celebrate diversity; he/she builds walls between the races by placing all comments about race under an unblinking, unforgiving microscope. He/she is a vivisectionist, as insidious as a slow-acting poison. Encountering such a person in the "world" is bad enough. But in the Body of Christ it's unconscionable.

Soong-Chan Rah has made a mountain out of a molehill, has done much to ruin the reputation of two very good authors, has leveled an unjust charge against a venerable Christian publisher, and has done nothing to solve a problem he, in fact, has helped to create.

It is Rah who should apologize -- not Zondervan, not the authors of Deadly Viper Character Assassins.

And I suspect Rah probably would...if he were not laughing all the way to the bank, or serving some unfathomable desire to call attention to himself by stirring up trouble.

by: ObserverBill

11-20-2009 @ 2:19pm

Is Rah's rant for real? Or is this an SNL-like take-off on a rant?

What this appears to be is a publicity stunt for Soong-Chan Rah's book. It certainly can't be a real complaint. No one who has read the book in question, or knows the author's sincere intentions, would make the accusations Rah does. It's clear he either (a) hasn't read the book, or (b) is using this as a platform to help him sell his own books.

If this rant is real then Soong-Chan Rah falls victim to one of the biggest sins in logic: He is guilty of the very thing of which he accuses others.

Racism is seeing the world from an egocentric perspective and judging all events/actions/statements by the measuring stick of one's race. It is a disease that suppresses the sufferer's sense of humor, and renders him/her incapable of (a) letting others speak freely and be themselves, and (b) acknowledging and embracing cultural differences.

A racist seeks to eliminate racism by expecting all references to racial differences be eliminated from public discourse. He/she seeks to abolish racism by demanding all others be "sensitive" to matters of race. Above all, a racist demands not to be treated equally, but in a superior fashion -- with kid gloves and trepidation lest proper words or near-royal deference fail to be observed.

In short, a racist doesn't celebrate diversity; he/she builds walls between the races by placing all comments about race under an unblinking, unforgiving microscope. He/she is a vivisectionist, as insidious as a slow-acting poison. Encountering such a person in the "world" is bad enough. But in the Body of Christ it's unconscionable.

Soong-Chan Rah has made a mountain out of a molehill, has done much to ruin the reputation of two very good authors, has leveled an unjust charge against a venerable Christian publisher, and has done nothing to solve a problem he, in fact, has helped to create.

It is Rah who should apologize -- not Zondervan, not the authors of Deadly Viper Character Assassins.

And I suspect Rah probably would...if he were not laughing all the way to the bank, or serving some unfathomable desire to call attention to himself by stirring up trouble.

by: ObserverBill

11-20-2009 @ 2:44pm

Incidentally, the proof of Rah's own (perhaps subconscious) racism is revealed in his closing words: "Maybe the answer comes from the pictures in your catalog and your Web site that show your editorial and publishing staff. Every single person is white. Please do not let this learning moment to pass by. Address the structural issues at Zondervan that allow this sort of offense to continue."

Does Rah actually believe that just because people are white they are, de facto, racists?

Can you imagine the crap-storm that would ensue if a white person looked at a company's employee roster and concluded that just because its employees are black or Asian that there's something inherently wrong with the company, that it can't possibly be anything other than racially insensitive?

Wow.

As I wrote earlier, Rah should apologize profusely.

by: ObserverBill

11-20-2009 @ 2:44pm

Incidentally, the proof of Rah's own (perhaps subconscious) racism is revealed in his closing words: "Maybe the answer comes from the pictures in your catalog and your Web site that show your editorial and publishing staff. Every single person is white. Please do not let this learning moment to pass by. Address the structural issues at Zondervan that allow this sort of offense to continue."

Does Rah actually believe that just because people are white they are, de facto, racists?

Can you imagine the crap-storm that would ensue if a white person looked at a company's employee roster and concluded that just because its employees are black or Asian that there's something inherently wrong with the company, that it can't possibly be anything other than racially insensitive?

Wow.

As I wrote earlier, Rah should apologize profusely.

by: Amy_Sojo

11-20-2009 @ 5:35pm

I don't think Mr. Rah should apologize, I think he's absolutely right.
I'm a white woman and I didn't read anything racist into his comment about the staff at Zondervan. He didn't accuse them of being racists, he said they had allowed and promoted cultural insensitivity, which is obviously true. The president/CEO of Zondervan seems to agree, he has issued an apology and discontinued the material. It's already gone from their website.

I don't think he's saying that white people are by nature incapable of depicting other cultures with any accuracy, just that these authors obviously didn't do their homework and whether intentional or not, their book and the marketing of it is offensive. and I agree.

by: Amy_Sojo

11-20-2009 @ 5:35pm

I don't think Mr. Rah should apologize, I think he's absolutely right.
I'm a white woman and I didn't read anything racist into his comment about the staff at Zondervan. He didn't accuse them of being racists, he said they had allowed and promoted cultural insensitivity, which is obviously true. The president/CEO of Zondervan seems to agree, he has issued an apology and discontinued the material. It's already gone from their website.

I don't think he's saying that white people are by nature incapable of depicting other cultures with any accuracy, just that these authors obviously didn't do their homework and whether intentional or not, their book and the marketing of it is offensive. and I agree.

by: ObserverBill

11-20-2009 @ 6:35pm

I think you need to re-read Rah's comments -- particularly about Zondervan's employees -- and pay closer attention to what he's implying.

To understand my point, reverse the situation and use his own words about a different race (or gender). Try it once. See how it sounds.

Take XYZ Company, for example. "Every single person is Asian." Or "Every single person is black." Or "Every single person is female." And that's why...[fill in the blank].

Don't you see? Such a statement is, at face value, racist because it implies an imbalance that -- in the eyes of Rah -- needs to be corrected. It also implies that the "white" people at Zondervan aren't capable of anything less than racial insensitivity.

It's one thing to say the book Zondervan published was racially insensitive. It may have been. But Rah handled it very badly when he took it a step further and outright blamed the insensitivity on the "white" people at Zondervan. With that statement, he clearly crossed a line that should not have been crossed.

To make matters worse, he then *demanded* an apology from Zondervan and tapped his foot waiting. Such arrogance!

Zondervan, being the conscientious, deeply-spiritual company that it is, met Rah's demands. With that action, Zondervan took a much higher road than Rah did.

But let's say next time it isn't Asians. Next time, it's gay people who take offense at passages in the Bible that seem to indicate homosexuality is offensive to God. What then?

I have nothing against gay people. People can live their lives as they see fit. But my point is this: if a gay person looked at the employee roster of a Christian publisher and concluded there are no gays there and that's why it publishes books -- such as the Bible -- that seem to frown on homosexuality, then what? More demands. More retractions. More apologies. Then what? Delete passages in the Bible? Quit publishing Bibles for fear they'll offend somebody?

When does it all stop? When does the toe-tapping and demands and intolerance stop? What will society look like after everyone demands conformity from everyone else?

Mistakes happen. No one is perfect. But what Rah did crossed lines and was every bit as insulting as whatever offense he supposedly experienced from the book Deadly Viper Character Assassins.

by: ObserverBill

11-20-2009 @ 6:35pm

I think you need to re-read Rah's comments -- particularly about Zondervan's employees -- and pay closer attention to what he's implying.

To understand my point, reverse the situation and use his own words about a different race (or gender). Try it once. See how it sounds.

Take XYZ Company, for example. "Every single person is Asian." Or "Every single person is black." Or "Every single person is female." And that's why...[fill in the blank].

Don't you see? Such a statement is, at face value, racist because it implies an imbalance that -- in the eyes of Rah -- needs to be corrected. It also implies that the "white" people at Zondervan aren't capable of anything less than racial insensitivity.

It's one thing to say the book Zondervan published was racially insensitive. It may have been. But Rah handled it very badly when he took it a step further and outright blamed the insensitivity on the "white" people at Zondervan. With that statement, he clearly crossed a line that should not have been crossed.

To make matters worse, he then *demanded* an apology from Zondervan and tapped his foot waiting. Such arrogance!

Zondervan, being the conscientious, deeply-spiritual company that it is, met Rah's demands. With that action, Zondervan took a much higher road than Rah did.

But let's say next time it isn't Asians. Next time, it's gay people who take offense at passages in the Bible that seem to indicate homosexuality is offensive to God. What then?

I have nothing against gay people. People can live their lives as they see fit. But my point is this: if a gay person looked at the employee roster of a Christian publisher and concluded there are no gays there and that's why it publishes books -- such as the Bible -- that seem to frown on homosexuality, then what? More demands. More retractions. More apologies. Then what? Delete passages in the Bible? Quit publishing Bibles for fear they'll offend somebody?

When does it all stop? When does the toe-tapping and demands and intolerance stop? What will society look like after everyone demands conformity from everyone else?

Mistakes happen. No one is perfect. But what Rah did crossed lines and was every bit as insulting as whatever offense he supposedly experienced from the book Deadly Viper Character Assassins.

by: cecillinke

11-20-2009 @ 6:46pm

Congrats! This rant has removed a great resource for all men and left another major gap in "western" culture - and probably an even bigger gap in creating a conversation between the western and eastern cultures.

by: cecillinke

11-20-2009 @ 6:46pm

Congrats! This rant has removed a great resource for all men and left another major gap in "western" culture - and probably an even bigger gap in creating a conversation between the western and eastern cultures.

by: adrianvender

11-20-2009 @ 7:21pm

Mr. Rah,
Although I don't believe you intended to make a racist comment regarding the Zondervan staff, it still came across as racist. You imply that perhaps they are culturally insensitive because they are white. Even assuming that you're right about their carelessness in allowing insensitive messages come out of their products, you can't just look at them and automatically blame it on their race. That would be racist. So, to kindly use your words:

"Whether that was your intent or not, that was the outcome. Admit your wrongdoings and seek forgiveness in a public manner because your offense was in a public setting."

by: adrianvender

11-20-2009 @ 7:21pm

Mr. Rah,
Although I don't believe you intended to make a racist comment regarding the Zondervan staff, it still came across as racist. You imply that perhaps they are culturally insensitive because they are white. Even assuming that you're right about their carelessness in allowing insensitive messages come out of their products, you can't just look at them and automatically blame it on their race. That would be racist. So, to kindly use your words:

"Whether that was your intent or not, that was the outcome. Admit your wrongdoings and seek forgiveness in a public manner because your offense was in a public setting."

by: tupetewalker

11-21-2009 @ 2:56am

Yes I have. It was terrifying and tragic. Have you listened to Driscoll speak?"

by: tupetewalker

11-21-2009 @ 2:56am

Yes I have. It was terrifying and tragic. Have you listened to Driscoll speak?"

by: GrantBortnem

11-26-2009 @ 1:00am

You make the claim in your call for an apology that the martial arts adds absolutely NOTHING which is patently untrue. I agree that the material in Deadly Viper could be perceived as offensive. But it wasn't co-opting the Asian cultures, it was a satirical spin on the campy, low-budget kung-fu movies that resonate with men in the western culture. The irony there is that they were co-opting the sub-culture created by "westernized martial arts or Orientalism" whatever you call it. And who were the one's marginalizing and exploiting Asian culture for profit? Raymond Chow and other producers of, get this, ASIAN descent. As far as using kanji and Chinese characters in a meaningless indiscriminate way, I have a Chinese restaurant in my neighborhood owned by a Taiwanese family that I am friends with. When I asked them what the characters on each of their windows translated to, they laughed. They said they were meaningless, and some of them weren't even real characters. That's right. They chose them purely because they were the "coolest" looking symbols that they thought the customers would like. Does that mean that they marginalized their culture so it would serve western marketing purposes? You bet it does. But Mr. Chow, my Taiwanese friends, and every other Asian is ALLOWED to exploit their culture for capital gain because they're Asian, correct? Just wanted to make sure I was following your argument. You are a proprietor of disunity and dissent. I beg you to overlook the possible shortcomings of your less enlightened, culturally insensitive brothers and sisters. The unity of the Church is the way the world will know that the Father sent the Son (John 17)

by: GrantBortnem

11-26-2009 @ 1:00am

You make the claim in your call for an apology that the martial arts adds absolutely NOTHING which is patently untrue. I agree that the material in Deadly Viper could be perceived as offensive. But it wasn't co-opting the Asian cultures, it was a satirical spin on the campy, low-budget kung-fu movies that resonate with men in the western culture. The irony there is that they were co-opting the sub-culture created by "westernized martial arts or Orientalism" whatever you call it. And who were the one's marginalizing and exploiting Asian culture for profit? Raymond Chow and other producers of, get this, ASIAN descent. As far as using kanji and Chinese characters in a meaningless indiscriminate way, I have a Chinese restaurant in my neighborhood owned by a Taiwanese family that I am friends with. When I asked them what the characters on each of their windows translated to, they laughed. They said they were meaningless, and some of them weren't even real characters. That's right. They chose them purely because they were the "coolest" looking symbols that they thought the customers would like. Does that mean that they marginalized their culture so it would serve western marketing purposes? You bet it does. But Mr. Chow, my Taiwanese friends, and every other Asian is ALLOWED to exploit their culture for capital gain because they're Asian, correct? Just wanted to make sure I was following your argument. You are a proprietor of disunity and dissent. I beg you to overlook the possible shortcomings of your less enlightened, culturally insensitive brothers and sisters. The unity of the Church is the way the world will know that the Father sent the Son (John 17)

by: Ben (of BenandJacq)

12-01-2009 @ 7:12pm

I'd love to know specifics of what is terrifying and or tragic. I listen to Driscoll on a weekly basis, and have never heard him belittle women. If what offends you about Driscoll is his stance on issues like women pastors (for example), then your issue is not with Driscoll, but with the Bible. While I certainly would not claim Driscoll to be perfect in this or any area, I think he draws his conclusions from a worldview that is unswervingly committed to the truth of the Bible.

by: Ben (of BenandJacq)

12-01-2009 @ 7:12pm

I'd love to know specifics of what is terrifying and or tragic. I listen to Driscoll on a weekly basis, and have never heard him belittle women. If what offends you about Driscoll is his stance on issues like women pastors (for example), then your issue is not with Driscoll, but with the Bible. While I certainly would not claim Driscoll to be perfect in this or any area, I think he draws his conclusions from a worldview that is unswervingly committed to the truth of the Bible.

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I am a fifty four year old youth minister. Please make fun of me, ... oh but wait, ... that wouldn't be very funny. No one caricatures old youth ministers, oh wait, ... that happens every day! Asians have even allowed themselves to be caricatured themselves in this way for decades. Anglos have as well allowed this form of sarcasm and quasi flattery to exist by participating.
While I respect may possibly have taken offense to the Kung Fu approach, ... it is funny and not harmful, or malicious.

by: oldyouthminister

01-05-2010 @ 7:14pm

I am a fifty four year old youth minister. Please make fun of me, ... oh but wait, ... that wouldn't be very funny. No one caricatures old youth ministers, oh wait, ... that happens every day! Asians have even allowed themselves to be caricatured themselves in this way for decades. Anglos have as well allowed this form of sarcasm and quasi flattery to exist by participating.
While I respect may possibly have taken offense to the Kung Fu approach, ... it is funny and not harmful, or malicious.

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