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Deadly Viper: Personal Apologies and Power Structures

Without trying to be too presumptuous about the resolution of an ongoing story, I'm doing some personal reflection on the last few days. And hoping this blog post responds to some questions that have been raised. I am thankful for the ways that Mike and Jud have come public with their mea culpas. We are praying for the same from Zondervan. In the same way, I would like to offer my necessary apologies as well as my immediate aftermath reflections :

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1) Christians should not shy away from issues of justice. As an educator, I am concerned about what seems to be a rather shallow understanding of God's justice among Christians. If an injustice or a public offense exists (particularly if perpetrated by the Christian community), then there needs to be a public redress of that injustice. A public sin requires a public response. I also don't think that it is helpful to label the victims and prevent the victims from speaking out against the wounding that has occurred. It is also significant that many saw this as an offense to the entire Christian community. Understanding the Biblical, systemic, corporate, and public aspects of injustice is an important part of learning as a Christian community.

2) Publishing a private e-mail exchange. This is something I am still agonizing over. I offer a public apology to Mike Foster. I plan to offer a personal apology as well. I offer this paragraph not as a justification but as an explanation. The posting of the e-mail was in direct response to what I felt was an inaccurate statement posted on Mike's blog: "i have done my best to respond to your concerns through email." I did not see this public declaration as a wholly honest statement. I published the e-mails to refute a public statement. Again, this is not a justification, but it is an explanation.

3) "Shock and awe." My good friend Ed Gilbreath used this phrase in his blog reflection. I love the way Ed writes -- very descriptive and on point. I don't think that there was an intentional "shock and awe" strategy. Remember that exchange between Obama and McCain during one of the presidential debates about what's a strategy and what's a tactic? I still haven't figured that one out. And then, there is the all-important "strategery." I don't think there was ever a "strategery" to this thing. (And there wasn't one for the Rickshaw Rally and the Skitguys stuff either.) Things sort of developed -- and with the added speed of communication and the capacity for viral postings, they develop very, very quickly. I would assert that the level of passion reflected in the fast and furious postings (mostly from the Asian-American community but from across the spectrum) opposing the material really came from a deep sense of alienation that many Asian-American Christians (and many other people of color) feel. Which leads to:

4) The tone of some of the e-mails and postings. I would like to offer an apology to those who have been offended or hurt by my tone. That was not my intent. I would also ask that those who have been troubled by the tone of some of the posts from the Asian-American community examine whether pre-conceived notions are distorting expectations. I think about the seemingly angry protests that have been raised in the past by Christians. Political protests opposing abortion, protests over The Last Temptation of Christ, or the classic Biblical example of Jesus overturning the moneychangers' table. No one on these blogs was biting fingers or picketing movie theaters or even overturning any tables. Given the level of pain experienced by many, I think most of the concerns were raised in a civil, but strong and forceful manner. It is okay for Asian-Americans to speak in a strong and forceful manner. Our voices have often been ignored. The fact that this is the third (actually more than third) time that a major Christian publishing company has done this also contributes to this particular scenario. Please seek to hear the stories of previously silenced voices. In my book (The Next Evangelicalism), I speak about the need to hear from the voices on the margins of evangelicalism. We are experiencing an increasingly multi-cultual and multi-ethnic American Christianity. We need to hear the stories from those in other communities, so that we don't make the mistakes of marginalizing and silencing important voices. (For examples, see Vince Campbell's youtube clip on the early African church and Randy Woodley's perspective on Native American Christianity.)

This is my third time involved with the insensitive portrayal of Asians by a major Christian publishing company (There are more instances, but only three that I was directly involved with). Honestly, I am tired. I'm tired of the stereotypes. I'm tired of hearing that I need "to get over it," that I'm the problem and not the ones who have committed the offense. I'm tired of hearing that "this wouldn't be an issue if you would not raise it as an issue." I'm tired of being told that I'm angry. I'm actually not angry -- I'm more frustrated than angry. I actually like to smile and laugh. Maybe my students and friends can chime in here.

And I'm tired of the lack of progress in the larger evangelical power structures. In fact, when I first saw the book in the Zondervan catalog, my first instinct was to close the page and let it go. But three things happened: (1) I explored a little further and found the offense was much larger than simply using Kung Fu as a gag for the book title, (2) Seeing the editorial board and executive board of Zondervan and not seeing a single person of color on either list, and (3) I thought of my children. I know the following paragraph may sound mawkish and sentimental, but please give me the benefit of the doubt that it is from the heart:

When this whole thing first showed up and my wife saw that I was getting involved, she challenged me to do this not because I was all riled up, but she said bluntly, "Do it for our kids." We have two absolutely beautiful and wonderful kids. We are trying to create the belief in them that they can be anything that God has called them to be. I am especially hopeful that they will be leaders and examples within and for the Christian community. But we also want to protect our kids. We want to protect our kids from stereotypes -- stereotypes that have wounded us as we have grown up in majority culture. Stereotypes that tell us we are either a pet (over-sexualized Asian women or buffoonish Asian men) or we are a threat (the dragon lady or the violent, sinister martial artist). We want our children to be judged by the content of their character. Two nights ago, as I was putting my son down for the night, I told him that I was proud of him and that he could be whatever God wants him to be. I want to start believing that. Not just for my kids, but for the whole family of God. We do this for the benefit of all God's children.

So next time this comes up -- and I pray, pray, pray that it doesn't happen again -- I hope to be on the sidelines encouraging others to raise their voices while I remain silent. Or maybe not.

portrait-soong-chan-rahSoong-Chan Rah is the author of The Next Evangelicalism: Freeing the Church from Western Cultural Captivity and is Milton B. Engebretson Associate Professor of Church Growth and Evangelism. Read more from him at www.profrah.com.

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by: maecannon

11-13-2009 @ 6:01am

I am writing to respond to some of the above questions: "Are Asians exploited in this stereotype?"; "Is there inherent disrespect?"; and other questions of that sort...

While I am thankful that the authors have apologized and that some of the sensitive material has been removed from advertisements, I think it is important to understand that this was a terribly offensive use of a racial stereotype. Absolutely there was exploitation and disrespect. Perhaps not intentionally... and I would imagine with a certain degree of ignorance about the Asian culture... but there was real damage and harm done nonetheless. And ignorance is not an excuse. I am white. But, I grieve alongside of my Asian American brothers and sisters about this issue. I think it is important to look at this situation with historical context. Asians have often been demeaned and looked down upon (as have other groups of color) within American society. Cultural attributes that are highly esteemed from an Asian perspective have often been viewed as odd, weird, and outside of the dominant stream of American society. In this situation, the videos, language, and use of stereotypes is not a standalone incident, but must be understood within the context of historical abuses - which continue even into the 21st century!

Also, it is not the same thing to compare white stereotypes with those of people of color. The major difference is one of power and privilege. Historically whites (predominantly men) have been in positions of power, authority, and the cultural majority. One shouldn't view the consideration of stereotypes apart from this reality.

by: facebook-67602175

11-12-2009 @ 11:49pm

I absolutely will affirm that Dr. Rah has consistently been an upbeat, hopeful, smiling and laughing professor over the 2.5 years that I have known him. Angry would be one of the last words I would choose to describe him. I applaud his courage and perseverance in his engagements like this one. All of this testifies to the Spirit of God alive in him, not that he's perfect as he has admitted, but that he is a gift to all of us and a part of God's coming kingdom. He's also an incredibly smart guy and wonderful professor.

by: facebook-67602175

11-12-2009 @ 11:49pm

I absolutely will affirm that Dr. Rah has consistently been an upbeat, hopeful, smiling and laughing professor over the 2.5 years that I have known him. Angry would be one of the last words I would choose to describe him. I applaud his courage and perseverance in his engagements like this one. All of this testifies to the Spirit of God alive in him, not that he's perfect as he has admitted, but that he is a gift to all of us and a part of God's coming kingdom. He's also an incredibly smart guy and wonderful professor.

by: maecannon

11-13-2009 @ 4:01am

I am writing to respond to some of the above questions: "Are Asians exploited in this stereotype?"; "Is there inherent disrespect?"; and other questions of that sort...

While I am thankful that the authors have apologized and that some of the sensitive material has been removed from advertisements, I think it is important to understand that this was a terribly offensive use of a racial stereotype. Absolutely there was exploitation and disrespect. Perhaps not intentionally... and I would imagine with a certain degree of ignorance about the Asian culture... but there was real damage and harm done nonetheless. And ignorance is not an excuse. I am white. But, I grieve alongside of my Asian American brothers and sisters about this issue. I think it is important to look at this situation with historical context. Asians have often been demeaned and looked down upon (as have other groups of color) within American society. Cultural attributes that are highly esteemed from an Asian perspective have often been viewed as odd, weird, and outside of the dominant stream of American society. In this situation, the videos, language, and use of stereotypes is not a standalone incident, but must be understood within the context of historical abuses - which continue even into the 21st century!

Also, it is not the same thing to compare white stereotypes with those of people of color. The major difference is one of power and privilege. Historically whites (predominantly men) have been in positions of power, authority, and the cultural majority. One shouldn't view the consideration of stereotypes apart from this reality.

by: maecannon

11-13-2009 @ 4:01am

I am writing to respond to some of the above questions: "Are Asians exploited in this stereotype?"; "Is there inherent disrespect?"; and other questions of that sort...

While I am thankful that the authors have apologized and that some of the sensitive material has been removed from advertisements, I think it is important to understand that this was a terribly offensive use of a racial stereotype. Absolutely there was exploitation and disrespect. Perhaps not intentionally... and I would imagine with a certain degree of ignorance about the Asian culture... but there was real damage and harm done nonetheless. And ignorance is not an excuse. I am white. But, I grieve alongside of my Asian American brothers and sisters about this issue. I think it is important to look at this situation with historical context. Asians have often been demeaned and looked down upon (as have other groups of color) within American society. Cultural attributes that are highly esteemed from an Asian perspective have often been viewed as odd, weird, and outside of the dominant stream of American society. In this situation, the videos, language, and use of stereotypes is not a standalone incident, but must be understood within the context of historical abuses - which continue even into the 21st century!

Also, it is not the same thing to compare white stereotypes with those of people of color. The major difference is one of power and privilege. Historically whites (predominantly men) have been in positions of power, authority, and the cultural majority. One shouldn't view the consideration of stereotypes apart from this reality.

by: Jesdisciple

11-07-2009 @ 6:53pm

It sounds like I'm one being addressed, so I need to apologize for not being totally clear and for not thinking my responses through very well.

I do not fault Cho or Rah as individuals for protesting that which has offended them. Especially with the factor of children, although I flt this way before that section, I do not expect them to take the offense lying down.

The point I should have been trying to get across is that I do not believe the book is inherently disrespectful in any way. Honestly, I don't think this opinion will be easy for anyone to change as it's grounded in some fundamental ethics.

Stereotypes that tell us we are either a pet (over-sexualized Asian women or buffoonish Asian men) or we are a threat (the dragon lady or the violent, sinister martial artist).

Show me someone who acts that way toward you and I'll support your protests against them. Show it to be caused by something like this book and I'll help present your case to people who think like me. Until then, I'll believe this social phenomenon of political correctness to be an unfortunate development that must nonetheless be respected.

by: Jesdisciple

11-07-2009 @ 6:53pm

It sounds like I'm one being addressed, so I need to apologize for not being totally clear and for not thinking my responses through very well.

I do not fault Cho or Rah as individuals for protesting that which has offended them. Especially with the factor of children, although I flt this way before that section, I do not expect them to take the offense lying down.

The point I should have been trying to get across is that I do not believe the book is inherently disrespectful in any way. Honestly, I don't think this opinion will be easy for anyone to change as it's grounded in some fundamental ethics.

Stereotypes that tell us we are either a pet (over-sexualized Asian women or buffoonish Asian men) or we are a threat (the dragon lady or the violent, sinister martial artist).

Show me someone who acts that way toward you and I'll support your protests against them. Show it to be caused by something like this book and I'll help present your case to people who think like me. Until then, I'll believe this social phenomenon of political correctness to be an unfortunate development that must nonetheless be respected.

by: Jesdisciple

11-08-2009 @ 3:22am

A rather macho friend sort-of brought up this issue today by mentioning the stereotypes. (This guy loves anime` and violent video games.) I mentioned the perceived offensiveness of their macho characteristics and he said they were good. From past experience, I know that he is prone to stereotyping (Mexican immigrants). That fact alone is enough to satisfy my second question above, although I'm sure the effect is stronger on him than most folks. So he inadvertently became an anecdote against his own tastes.

Now I have one more question: What social ills result from these stereotypes? Has anyone ever acted on them? Any job discrimination or other outright disrespect?

And I do still maintain that the book is not disrespectful, even if it results in disrespect. But if this type of thing is a root of disrespect, it should be uprooted (sort of like I would uproot money if it weren't necessary).

by: letjusticerolldown

11-08-2009 @ 1:15pm

Culture, is, by definition full of stereotyping, as stereotyping is a form of generalization. When we say "tree" we apply a generalization to make sense of a broad swath of biological reality. When we say "Englishman" we have some meaning in mind; there is a thought behind the word. That is culture.

I am writing very briefly so tell me if this does not make sense. But a stereotype need not be produce a recognizable harm on an individual to be damaging. Although we each have ideas about what it means to be 'oriental' there is also a broader culture that has meanings and understandings behind that word. If the dominant culture of the society has understood a people in a way that is either negative or so simplistic as to dismiss the dignity of a people, or used the stereotypes in an exploitive way (e.g. for profit--while feeding/perpetuating harmful stereotypes)--then employing stereotypes which prop up that culture are harmful.

by: Jesdisciple

11-08-2009 @ 3:22am

A rather macho friend sort-of brought up this issue today by mentioning the stereotypes. (This guy loves anime` and violent video games.) I mentioned the perceived offensiveness of their macho characteristics and he said they were good. From past experience, I know that he is prone to stereotyping (Mexican immigrants). That fact alone is enough to satisfy my second question above, although I'm sure the effect is stronger on him than most folks. So he inadvertently became an anecdote against his own tastes.

Now I have one more question: What social ills result from these stereotypes? Has anyone ever acted on them? Any job discrimination or other outright disrespect?

And I do still maintain that the book is not disrespectful, even if it results in disrespect. But if this type of thing is a root of disrespect, it should be uprooted (sort of like I would uproot money if it weren't necessary).

by: letjusticerolldown

11-08-2009 @ 1:15pm

Culture, is, by definition full of stereotyping, as stereotyping is a form of generalization. When we say "tree" we apply a generalization to make sense of a broad swath of biological reality. When we say "Englishman" we have some meaning in mind; there is a thought behind the word. That is culture.

I am writing very briefly so tell me if this does not make sense. But a stereotype need not be produce a recognizable harm on an individual to be damaging. Although we each have ideas about what it means to be 'oriental' there is also a broader culture that has meanings and understandings behind that word. If the dominant culture of the society has understood a people in a way that is either negative or so simplistic as to dismiss the dignity of a people, or used the stereotypes in an exploitive way (e.g. for profit--while feeding/perpetuating harmful stereotypes)--then employing stereotypes which prop up that culture are harmful.

by: Jesdisciple

11-09-2009 @ 1:03am

Is this stereotype so simplistic as to dismiss (or even diminish) the dignity of Asians in the eyes of others?

Are Asians somehow exploited by these stereotypes?

by: Jesdisciple

11-09-2009 @ 1:03am

Is this stereotype so simplistic as to dismiss (or even diminish) the dignity of Asians in the eyes of others?

Are Asians somehow exploited by these stereotypes?

by: BlueDeacon

11-09-2009 @ 2:33pm

Well, let me ask: What "groups" do you belong to and what stereotypes exist about them? Are they absolutely true in context or do they have to be explained?

by: jason

11-09-2009 @ 4:12pm

I appreciate this post. Racial discussions are difficult but they need to happen! Keep up the good work.

by: BlueDeacon

11-09-2009 @ 2:33pm

Well, let me ask: What "groups" do you belong to and what stereotypes exist about them? Are they absolutely true in context or do they have to be explained?

by: jason

11-09-2009 @ 4:12pm

I appreciate this post. Racial discussions are difficult but they need to happen! Keep up the good work.

by: Jesdisciple

11-09-2009 @ 6:52pm

I dunno what stereotypes other groups give us, but I from our own collection can think of cowboys, businessmen, and skateboarders. If you want to make a movie where every white person is one of these - well, that's silly, but I don't think I'd complain.

by: Jesdisciple

11-09-2009 @ 6:52pm

I dunno what stereotypes other groups give us, but I from our own collection can think of cowboys, businessmen, and skateboarders. If you want to make a movie where every white person is one of these - well, that's silly, but I don't think I'd complain.

by: BlueDeacon

11-10-2009 @ 1:28am

Well, none of those are necessarily negative in and of themselves. Only with
Wall Street greed did businessmen get a bum rap, and skateboarders, generally
young, come across as aimless regardless of color.

by: Jesdisciple

11-10-2009 @ 2:12am

That sounds like the conservative argument about Kung Fu masters...

by: BlueDeacon

11-10-2009 @ 1:28am

Well, none of those are necessarily negative in and of themselves. Only with
Wall Street greed did businessmen get a bum rap, and skateboarders, generally
young, come across as aimless regardless of color.

by: Jesdisciple

11-10-2009 @ 2:12am

That sounds like the conservative argument about Kung Fu masters...

by: maecannon

11-13-2009 @ 6:01am

I am writing to respond to some of the above questions: "Are Asians exploited in this stereotype?"; "Is there inherent disrespect?"; and other questions of that sort...

While I am thankful that the authors have apologized and that some of the sensitive material has been removed from advertisements, I think it is important to understand that this was a terribly offensive use of a racial stereotype. Absolutely there was exploitation and disrespect. Perhaps not intentionally... and I would imagine with a certain degree of ignorance about the Asian culture... but there was real damage and harm done nonetheless. And ignorance is not an excuse. I am white. But, I grieve alongside of my Asian American brothers and sisters about this issue. I think it is important to look at this situation with historical context. Asians have often been demeaned and looked down upon (as have other groups of color) within American society. Cultural attributes that are highly esteemed from an Asian perspective have often been viewed as odd, weird, and outside of the dominant stream of American society. In this situation, the videos, language, and use of stereotypes is not a standalone incident, but must be understood within the context of historical abuses - which continue even into the 21st century!

Also, it is not the same thing to compare white stereotypes with those of people of color. The major difference is one of power and privilege. Historically whites (predominantly men) have been in positions of power, authority, and the cultural majority. One shouldn't view the consideration of stereotypes apart from this reality.

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by: Jesdisciple

11-07-2009 @ 6:53pm

It sounds like I'm one being addressed, so I need to apologize for not being totally clear and for not thinking my responses through very well.

I do not fault Cho or Rah as individuals for protesting that which has offended them. Especially with the factor of children, although I flt this way before that section, I do not expect them to take the offense lying down.

The point I should have been trying to get across is that I do not believe the book is inherently disrespectful in any way. Honestly, I don't think this opinion will be easy for anyone to change as it's grounded in some fundamental ethics.

Stereotypes that tell us we are either a pet (over-sexualized Asian women or buffoonish Asian men) or we are a threat (the dragon lady or the violent, sinister martial artist).

Show me someone who acts that way toward you and I'll support your protests against them. Show it to be caused by something like this book and I'll help present your case to people who think like me. Until then, I'll believe this social phenomenon of political correctness to be an unfortunate development that must nonetheless be respected.

by: Jesdisciple

11-07-2009 @ 6:53pm

It sounds like I'm one being addressed, so I need to apologize for not being totally clear and for not thinking my responses through very well.

I do not fault Cho or Rah as individuals for protesting that which has offended them. Especially with the factor of children, although I flt this way before that section, I do not expect them to take the offense lying down.

The point I should have been trying to get across is that I do not believe the book is inherently disrespectful in any way. Honestly, I don't think this opinion will be easy for anyone to change as it's grounded in some fundamental ethics.

Stereotypes that tell us we are either a pet (over-sexualized Asian women or buffoonish Asian men) or we are a threat (the dragon lady or the violent, sinister martial artist).

Show me someone who acts that way toward you and I'll support your protests against them. Show it to be caused by something like this book and I'll help present your case to people who think like me. Until then, I'll believe this social phenomenon of political correctness to be an unfortunate development that must nonetheless be respected.

by: Jesdisciple

11-08-2009 @ 3:22am

A rather macho friend sort-of brought up this issue today by mentioning the stereotypes. (This guy loves anime` and violent video games.) I mentioned the perceived offensiveness of their macho characteristics and he said they were good. From past experience, I know that he is prone to stereotyping (Mexican immigrants). That fact alone is enough to satisfy my second question above, although I'm sure the effect is stronger on him than most folks. So he inadvertently became an anecdote against his own tastes.

Now I have one more question: What social ills result from these stereotypes? Has anyone ever acted on them? Any job discrimination or other outright disrespect?

And I do still maintain that the book is not disrespectful, even if it results in disrespect. But if this type of thing is a root of disrespect, it should be uprooted (sort of like I would uproot money if it weren't necessary).

by: Jesdisciple

11-08-2009 @ 3:22am

A rather macho friend sort-of brought up this issue today by mentioning the stereotypes. (This guy loves anime` and violent video games.) I mentioned the perceived offensiveness of their macho characteristics and he said they were good. From past experience, I know that he is prone to stereotyping (Mexican immigrants). That fact alone is enough to satisfy my second question above, although I'm sure the effect is stronger on him than most folks. So he inadvertently became an anecdote against his own tastes.

Now I have one more question: What social ills result from these stereotypes? Has anyone ever acted on them? Any job discrimination or other outright disrespect?

And I do still maintain that the book is not disrespectful, even if it results in disrespect. But if this type of thing is a root of disrespect, it should be uprooted (sort of like I would uproot money if it weren't necessary).

by: letjusticerolldown

11-08-2009 @ 1:15pm

Culture, is, by definition full of stereotyping, as stereotyping is a form of generalization. When we say "tree" we apply a generalization to make sense of a broad swath of biological reality. When we say "Englishman" we have some meaning in mind; there is a thought behind the word. That is culture.

I am writing very briefly so tell me if this does not make sense. But a stereotype need not be produce a recognizable harm on an individual to be damaging. Although we each have ideas about what it means to be 'oriental' there is also a broader culture that has meanings and understandings behind that word. If the dominant culture of the society has understood a people in a way that is either negative or so simplistic as to dismiss the dignity of a people, or used the stereotypes in an exploitive way (e.g. for profit--while feeding/perpetuating harmful stereotypes)--then employing stereotypes which prop up that culture are harmful.

by: letjusticerolldown

11-08-2009 @ 1:15pm

Culture, is, by definition full of stereotyping, as stereotyping is a form of generalization. When we say "tree" we apply a generalization to make sense of a broad swath of biological reality. When we say "Englishman" we have some meaning in mind; there is a thought behind the word. That is culture.

I am writing very briefly so tell me if this does not make sense. But a stereotype need not be produce a recognizable harm on an individual to be damaging. Although we each have ideas about what it means to be 'oriental' there is also a broader culture that has meanings and understandings behind that word. If the dominant culture of the society has understood a people in a way that is either negative or so simplistic as to dismiss the dignity of a people, or used the stereotypes in an exploitive way (e.g. for profit--while feeding/perpetuating harmful stereotypes)--then employing stereotypes which prop up that culture are harmful.

by: Jesdisciple

11-09-2009 @ 1:03am

Is this stereotype so simplistic as to dismiss (or even diminish) the dignity of Asians in the eyes of others?

Are Asians somehow exploited by these stereotypes?

by: Jesdisciple

11-09-2009 @ 1:03am

Is this stereotype so simplistic as to dismiss (or even diminish) the dignity of Asians in the eyes of others?

Are Asians somehow exploited by these stereotypes?

by: BlueDeacon

11-09-2009 @ 2:33pm

Well, let me ask: What "groups" do you belong to and what stereotypes exist about them? Are they absolutely true in context or do they have to be explained?

by: BlueDeacon

11-09-2009 @ 2:33pm

Well, let me ask: What "groups" do you belong to and what stereotypes exist about them? Are they absolutely true in context or do they have to be explained?

by: jason

11-09-2009 @ 4:12pm

I appreciate this post. Racial discussions are difficult but they need to happen! Keep up the good work.

by: jason

11-09-2009 @ 4:12pm

I appreciate this post. Racial discussions are difficult but they need to happen! Keep up the good work.

by: Jesdisciple

11-09-2009 @ 6:52pm

I dunno what stereotypes other groups give us, but I from our own collection can think of cowboys, businessmen, and skateboarders. If you want to make a movie where every white person is one of these - well, that's silly, but I don't think I'd complain.

by: Jesdisciple

11-09-2009 @ 6:52pm

I dunno what stereotypes other groups give us, but I from our own collection can think of cowboys, businessmen, and skateboarders. If you want to make a movie where every white person is one of these - well, that's silly, but I don't think I'd complain.

by: BlueDeacon

11-10-2009 @ 1:28am

Well, none of those are necessarily negative in and of themselves. Only with
Wall Street greed did businessmen get a bum rap, and skateboarders, generally
young, come across as aimless regardless of color.

by: BlueDeacon

11-10-2009 @ 1:28am

Well, none of those are necessarily negative in and of themselves. Only with
Wall Street greed did businessmen get a bum rap, and skateboarders, generally
young, come across as aimless regardless of color.

by: Jesdisciple

11-10-2009 @ 2:12am

That sounds like the conservative argument about Kung Fu masters...

by: Jesdisciple

11-10-2009 @ 2:12am

That sounds like the conservative argument about Kung Fu masters...

by: facebook-67602175

11-12-2009 @ 11:49pm

I absolutely will affirm that Dr. Rah has consistently been an upbeat, hopeful, smiling and laughing professor over the 2.5 years that I have known him. Angry would be one of the last words I would choose to describe him. I applaud his courage and perseverance in his engagements like this one. All of this testifies to the Spirit of God alive in him, not that he's perfect as he has admitted, but that he is a gift to all of us and a part of God's coming kingdom. He's also an incredibly smart guy and wonderful professor.

by: facebook-67602175

11-12-2009 @ 11:49pm

I absolutely will affirm that Dr. Rah has consistently been an upbeat, hopeful, smiling and laughing professor over the 2.5 years that I have known him. Angry would be one of the last words I would choose to describe him. I applaud his courage and perseverance in his engagements like this one. All of this testifies to the Spirit of God alive in him, not that he's perfect as he has admitted, but that he is a gift to all of us and a part of God's coming kingdom. He's also an incredibly smart guy and wonderful professor.

by: maecannon

11-13-2009 @ 4:01am

I am writing to respond to some of the above questions: "Are Asians exploited in this stereotype?"; "Is there inherent disrespect?"; and other questions of that sort...

While I am thankful that the authors have apologized and that some of the sensitive material has been removed from advertisements, I think it is important to understand that this was a terribly offensive use of a racial stereotype. Absolutely there was exploitation and disrespect. Perhaps not intentionally... and I would imagine with a certain degree of ignorance about the Asian culture... but there was real damage and harm done nonetheless. And ignorance is not an excuse. I am white. But, I grieve alongside of my Asian American brothers and sisters about this issue. I think it is important to look at this situation with historical context. Asians have often been demeaned and looked down upon (as have other groups of color) within American society. Cultural attributes that are highly esteemed from an Asian perspective have often been viewed as odd, weird, and outside of the dominant stream of American society. In this situation, the videos, language, and use of stereotypes is not a standalone incident, but must be understood within the context of historical abuses - which continue even into the 21st century!

Also, it is not the same thing to compare white stereotypes with those of people of color. The major difference is one of power and privilege. Historically whites (predominantly men) have been in positions of power, authority, and the cultural majority. One shouldn't view the consideration of stereotypes apart from this reality.

by: maecannon

11-13-2009 @ 4:01am

I am writing to respond to some of the above questions: "Are Asians exploited in this stereotype?"; "Is there inherent disrespect?"; and other questions of that sort...

While I am thankful that the authors have apologized and that some of the sensitive material has been removed from advertisements, I think it is important to understand that this was a terribly offensive use of a racial stereotype. Absolutely there was exploitation and disrespect. Perhaps not intentionally... and I would imagine with a certain degree of ignorance about the Asian culture... but there was real damage and harm done nonetheless. And ignorance is not an excuse. I am white. But, I grieve alongside of my Asian American brothers and sisters about this issue. I think it is important to look at this situation with historical context. Asians have often been demeaned and looked down upon (as have other groups of color) within American society. Cultural attributes that are highly esteemed from an Asian perspective have often been viewed as odd, weird, and outside of the dominant stream of American society. In this situation, the videos, language, and use of stereotypes is not a standalone incident, but must be understood within the context of historical abuses - which continue even into the 21st century!

Also, it is not the same thing to compare white stereotypes with those of people of color. The major difference is one of power and privilege. Historically whites (predominantly men) have been in positions of power, authority, and the cultural majority. One shouldn't view the consideration of stereotypes apart from this reality.

by: maecannon

11-13-2009 @ 6:01am

I am writing to respond to some of the above questions: "Are Asians exploited in this stereotype?"; "Is there inherent disrespect?"; and other questions of that sort...

While I am thankful that the authors have apologized and that some of the sensitive material has been removed from advertisements, I think it is important to understand that this was a terribly offensive use of a racial stereotype. Absolutely there was exploitation and disrespect. Perhaps not intentionally... and I would imagine with a certain degree of ignorance about the Asian culture... but there was real damage and harm done nonetheless. And ignorance is not an excuse. I am white. But, I grieve alongside of my Asian American brothers and sisters about this issue. I think it is important to look at this situation with historical context. Asians have often been demeaned and looked down upon (as have other groups of color) within American society. Cultural attributes that are highly esteemed from an Asian perspective have often been viewed as odd, weird, and outside of the dominant stream of American society. In this situation, the videos, language, and use of stereotypes is not a standalone incident, but must be understood within the context of historical abuses - which continue even into the 21st century!

Also, it is not the same thing to compare white stereotypes with those of people of color. The major difference is one of power and privilege. Historically whites (predominantly men) have been in positions of power, authority, and the cultural majority. One shouldn't view the consideration of stereotypes apart from this reality.

by: maecannon

11-13-2009 @ 6:01am

I am writing to respond to some of the above questions: "Are Asians exploited in this stereotype?"; "Is there inherent disrespect?"; and other questions of that sort...

While I am thankful that the authors have apologized and that some of the sensitive material has been removed from advertisements, I think it is important to understand that this was a terribly offensive use of a racial stereotype. Absolutely there was exploitation and disrespect. Perhaps not intentionally... and I would imagine with a certain degree of ignorance about the Asian culture... but there was real damage and harm done nonetheless. And ignorance is not an excuse. I am white. But, I grieve alongside of my Asian American brothers and sisters about this issue. I think it is important to look at this situation with historical context. Asians have often been demeaned and looked down upon (as have other groups of color) within American society. Cultural attributes that are highly esteemed from an Asian perspective have often been viewed as odd, weird, and outside of the dominant stream of American society. In this situation, the videos, language, and use of stereotypes is not a standalone incident, but must be understood within the context of historical abuses - which continue even into the 21st century!

Also, it is not the same thing to compare white stereotypes with those of people of color. The major difference is one of power and privilege. Historically whites (predominantly men) have been in positions of power, authority, and the cultural majority. One shouldn't view the consideration of stereotypes apart from this reality.