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The Plank in Australia's Eye

"F%*# OFF! WE'RE FULL!" read the bumper sticker I saw this morning, written within the outline of the Australian continent. The offense of the bumper stickers I felt twice as hard after hearing that another boat of people fleeing horrific circumstance had sunk off the Australian coast. This is the side of Australia you won't see advertised in our tourism campaigns. Beaches, barbecues, bronzed bodies, and beautiful sunsets are what we love to show the world. Yet the prophets' poetry draws our attention to what we want to ignore. What we hide. What we silence and long to keep a secret.

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091106-we-are-all-boatpeopleWho wants to mess with the world's image of the sun-kissed, fun-loving, larrikin nation "Down Under"? I believe God does. Biblically our redemption is not found in hiding our shame but in letting the Spirit transform it. As Philip Berrigan would say, "The poor tell us who we are. The prophets tell us who we can be. So we hide the poor and kill the prophets." One of Australia's greatest shames is the way we imprison, ignore, silence, and hide [now offshore] refugees who tell us who we are, and who we can be.

Australia must face what Dr. Cornell West would call "the night side" of our national identity. Tied up in this 'night-side of Aussie pride' is the irrational xenophobia that makes it not just possible, but popular(!) for both sides of politics to use the plight of some of God's most vulnerable children seeking safety -- refugees -- as a political football. Tragically, how asylum seekers have been treated by Australia reads as a case study of anthropologist Rene Girard's theory of "scapegoating" as the glue of society. Power politics in this country are being held together by the hatred of this most defenseless 'other'.

A couple of years back while working with Aboriginal activist Uncle Kevin Buzzcott, he said to me, "When are you white fellas going to realize that you are all 'boatpeople'!?! If you are not going to let them [refugees] in, us black fellas should send you all home!"

Maybe deep in the white Australian psyche is the fear that just as the European colonisers stole the land from the indigenous peoples, so we might have the land stolen from us. Maybe what Uncle Kevin Buzzcott is pointing us to is the reality that what we fear is not "the other" but a projection of own worst selves. This would explain the both blatant and veiled history of legislated racism such as the "White Australia policy" and more recently, the supposedly overhauled "Pacific Solution." We Australians can be very quick to point out the racist histories of South Africa and the United States without removing the plank in our own eye.

[to be continued...]

portrait-jarrod-mckennaJarrod McKenna is seeking to live God's love as a dad, husband, brother, activist trainer and [eco]evangelist. He is a co-founder of the Peace Tree Community serving with the marginalised in one of the poorest of areas in his city, in Western Australia heads up an award winning multi-faith youth service initiative called Together for Humanity, and is the founder and creative director of Empowering Peacemakers (E.P.Y.C.), for which he has received an Australian peace award in his work for in empowering a generation of (eco)evangelists and peace prophets.

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04-26-2010 @ 12:53pm

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by: Faydine

11-12-2009 @ 4:35pm

Oh -- don't get me wrong, I fully understand that much of what the
government did was wrong, and the Trail of Tears is a great example of that.
My dad grew up in Stillwell, OK and grew up with an old Cherokee man who had
been on it. If I recall correctly, his name was Clem Beaver, but dad often
told stories of the Beaver kids he went to school with, so I may have the
first name wrong.

I was referring to the many attempts by white individuals to actually do
something good or worthwhile in a cross-cultural setting and really screw it
up.

by: Faydine

11-12-2009 @ 4:35pm

Oh -- don't get me wrong, I fully understand that much of what the
government did was wrong, and the Trail of Tears is a great example of that.
My dad grew up in Stillwell, OK and grew up with an old Cherokee man who had
been on it. If I recall correctly, his name was Clem Beaver, but dad often
told stories of the Beaver kids he went to school with, so I may have the
first name wrong.

I was referring to the many attempts by white individuals to actually do
something good or worthwhile in a cross-cultural setting and really screw it
up.

by: mervynthomas

11-12-2009 @ 5:49pm

I feel sick whenever I see this bumper sticker. But what bothers me more is when I hear kindly Christian people in my own parish saying the same sort of things - less crudely, without the obscenity, but coming directly from the same attitudes.

Although explicitly racist statements are no longer acceptable in mainstream Australia, scare mongering about being `swamped' by refugees seems to be an acceptable political tactic.

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01-27-2010 @ 5:02am

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by: davidbaer

01-27-2010 @ 5:05am

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by: mervynthomas

11-12-2009 @ 5:49pm

I feel sick whenever I see this bumper sticker. But what bothers me more is when I hear kindly Christian people in my own parish saying the same sort of things - less crudely, without the obscenity, but coming directly from the same attitudes.

Although explicitly racist statements are no longer acceptable in mainstream Australia, scare mongering about being `swamped' by refugees seems to be an acceptable political tactic.

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by: makemoneyathomeinaustralia

04-26-2010 @ 12:53pm

Piracy is a war-like act committed by private parties (not affiliated with any government) that engage in acts of robbery and/or criminal violence at sea. The term can include acts committed in other major bodies of water or on a shore. It does not normally include crimes committed against persons travelling on the same vessel as the perpetrator (e.g. one passenger stealing from others on the same vessel). The term has been used to refer to raids across land borders by non-state agents. Piracy should be distinguished from privateering

by: kiramatalishah

02-05-2010 @ 7:02am

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by: lgarth80

11-13-2009 @ 2:56am

Very small comment - with the overstay visas, there is an expectation after the "tourists" come with assumed proper documents, that deportation can occur in the event of trouble. With people arriving on boats, they can have badly damaged or no legal documents of identification, making it difficult for deportation.

Hence the issue with a person overstaying on a visa = they get deported when found, and if they don't there is no Medicare, etc.

If someone comes and gains asylum through no documents (benefit of the doubt), then there is full Medicare and lifetime option of Australian citizenship, which costs the taxpayer far more over the long term, particularly when families are involved.

I'm sorry if this view seems racist, jaundiced or anything but fair on those escaping tyrannic regimes and in genuine need of asylum. Just thought that I should put order into the differences between Qantas and illegal boats on the NW corner of Australia.

by: Bungarra

11-13-2009 @ 6:06am

Thanks for the feed back
Do not agree at all. What is the real difference between a person
attempting to get to Australia by boat or other means or using Qantas etc
with a short term visa with no intention of returning? They then become
undocumented workers who can be exploited by unscrupulous employers. Seen
it in action here. Over stayers tend to disappear into the community.
It just that they are more conspicuous when coming by boat. You are making
an assumption that the papers required for a visa are more or less legit.
Not necessarily so they can and are bought/forged.
At least the boat people get properly looked at once caught. Look at the
record of war criminals ex various conflicts in Australia.
Look at the question re the student visas etc. Those who are well connected
can get in, even the children of dictators and others who should be on the
prohibited list for crimes against humanity.
However this is only a diversion form the real issue.
I am totally disgusted by the way this issue has been used in politics here.
There has been huge amounts spent, rather than just pick them up, process
fairly rapidly and properly - no Cornelia Rowe's please. Spending long
periods in detention is not on. Nor is transporting peoples away from
Australia just to keep the façade up that we have not allowed them here. All
of this is to ensure that some can be seen as defending Australia, and to
get and or maintain political power when the major issues are in other
places ie are we getting value from the various large multinationals here,
are they interfering too much in our affairs to our detriment (yes in my
industry) or the impact of trade subsidies on our products, and are the
terms of the free trade agreements we are entering to just?
I spent some time in Shanghai as a small child, and saw the white Russian
refuges there. Their stories left a deep impression on me. Do we recognise
the common humanity of all or not?
As I understand it, the boat people are not illegal when they arrive and
seek refuge status, the visa over stayers are.
John Holmes
46 Gallagher St, Eden Hill, 6054
Ph (08) 9377 0607
Mob 0400 185 458
Email homesjc@iprimus.com.au

by: lgarth80

11-13-2009 @ 2:56am

Very small comment - with the overstay visas, there is an expectation after the "tourists" come with assumed proper documents, that deportation can occur in the event of trouble. With people arriving on boats, they can have badly damaged or no legal documents of identification, making it difficult for deportation.

Hence the issue with a person overstaying on a visa = they get deported when found, and if they don't there is no Medicare, etc.

If someone comes and gains asylum through no documents (benefit of the doubt), then there is full Medicare and lifetime option of Australian citizenship, which costs the taxpayer far more over the long term, particularly when families are involved.

I'm sorry if this view seems racist, jaundiced or anything but fair on those escaping tyrannic regimes and in genuine need of asylum. Just thought that I should put order into the differences between Qantas and illegal boats on the NW corner of Australia.

by: kiramatalishah

02-05-2010 @ 5:02am

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by: Dicky28

01-29-2010 @ 12:13pm

I'm sure we've all been watching the people in Haiti fighting over the aid that is being handed out. I'm sure no one thinks this is a good situation. It is much safer for those being aided and is also much fairer if the aid is handed out in an orderly fashion on the basis of who is in most need. The way it is happening now, those who need it the least are getting the most aid. It is survival of the fittest (strongest). Those most in need have no chance of fighting their way through everybody else to get the aid. It is the same with boat people (refugees) coming to Australia. Those 'refugees' that arrive in Australia by boat are those who have managed to finance their travels half way around the world, through numerous countries, and then can afford to pay a lot of money to the Indonesian people smugglers to bring them across to Australia. Those most in need of refuge are stuck in some UN camp much closer to where they have come from. They don't have the means that the boat people have. The last few Australian Governments have all greatly increased our refugee intake. Those who are welcomed are those judged to need our help the most. Encouraging people to come illegally by boat risks their lives and encourages corrupt practices, just the same as chucking the aid out of a helicopter does. In that situation, the strongest get the aid and then have power over everybody else to distrbute as they see fit. Does anyone truly believe that is the best system? Do you Jarrod? I'd like to hear your thoughts.

by: Bungarra

11-13-2009 @ 6:06am

Thanks for the feed back
Do not agree at all. What is the real difference between a person
attempting to get to Australia by boat or other means or using Qantas etc
with a short term visa with no intention of returning? They then become
undocumented workers who can be exploited by unscrupulous employers. Seen
it in action here. Over stayers tend to disappear into the community.
It just that they are more conspicuous when coming by boat. You are making
an assumption that the papers required for a visa are more or less legit.
Not necessarily so they can and are bought/forged.
At least the boat people get properly looked at once caught. Look at the
record of war criminals ex various conflicts in Australia.
Look at the question re the student visas etc. Those who are well connected
can get in, even the children of dictators and others who should be on the
prohibited list for crimes against humanity.
However this is only a diversion form the real issue.
I am totally disgusted by the way this issue has been used in politics here.
There has been huge amounts spent, rather than just pick them up, process
fairly rapidly and properly - no Cornelia Rowe's please. Spending long
periods in detention is not on. Nor is transporting peoples away from
Australia just to keep the façade up that we have not allowed them here. All
of this is to ensure that some can be seen as defending Australia, and to
get and or maintain political power when the major issues are in other
places ie are we getting value from the various large multinationals here,
are they interfering too much in our affairs to our detriment (yes in my
industry) or the impact of trade subsidies on our products, and are the
terms of the free trade agreements we are entering to just?
I spent some time in Shanghai as a small child, and saw the white Russian
refuges there. Their stories left a deep impression on me. Do we recognise
the common humanity of all or not?
As I understand it, the boat people are not illegal when they arrive and
seek refuge status, the visa over stayers are.
John Holmes
46 Gallagher St, Eden Hill, 6054
Ph (08) 9377 0607
Mob 0400 185 458
Email homesjc@iprimus.com.au

by: abassseo

01-27-2010 @ 5:02am

Can you allow me to advertise my online business in your blog? it will be a great help if say yes. thanks a lot!
You helping a lot of PPL thanks for your golden ideas about home based jobs.

I would like to share the secret of profit online
Learn How I Earn $50 to $250 Every Day!

www.onlineuniversalwork.com

by: davidbaer

01-27-2010 @ 5:05am

What I like about small business owners is that they are not afraid to take huge risks and lay it all on the line. But, I agree they do need a lot of help with their marketing. I think having them go the social media and email route is not only the least expensive but its also the most effective. Thanks for the stats!
With Facebook and Twitter being among the leaders of the Social networks, marketing as a small business is being transformed..
Respondents according to the Vertical Response survey appear to need some differentiation with the use of SE marketing and Social media Marketing

www.onlineuniversalwork.com

by: ridwanzero

01-27-2010 @ 6:05am

Many companies all over the world need your opinions on their products. They will send you a simple online survey forms, where you need to fill it out and they pay you money.

The most remarkable thing about this paid survey program is that anyone can make money with it.
It doesn't require any special skills, training, education or previous business experience. You only need access to the Internet and basic typing skills.
It is the perfect home business for stay at home moms, students, home makers, retirees or anyone that is in need of some extra cash.

www.onlineuniversalwork.com

by: Faydine

11-09-2009 @ 2:15pm

I'm always a little amused when people say, "They have a plank in their own eye!" because -- well frankly, we all have them. The problem is that we're all blind to them.

I must confess that I laughed out loud at the bumper sticker -- but not because of boat people. About 10 years ago, it seemed everybody was moving out of California and into my state of Colorado. I'm not sure if anyone actually had bumper stickers made to keep them out, but it was joked about often. I don't think anyone meant they didn't want California's poor moving here. They didn't want the rich neighborhoods taking over every vacant field in the area. We also started describing them by how many decks a single family dwelling had -- like "A 5-deck neighborhood."

I'm against illegal (or undocumented) immigration. Just like I'm against undocumented drivers. But I think it's a travesty when countries turn boat people away. Seeking assylum in a country and sneaking across the boarder are very different things in my pea brain.

The problem with sarcasm, as seen on the bumper sticker -- is that people take it lots of different ways. Now that I think of it, I laughed at the shock of it, not because I agreed with the sentiment.

by: Faydine

11-09-2009 @ 2:15pm

I'm always a little amused when people say, "They have a plank in their own eye!" because -- well frankly, we all have them. The problem is that we're all blind to them.

I must confess that I laughed out loud at the bumper sticker -- but not because of boat people. About 10 years ago, it seemed everybody was moving out of California and into my state of Colorado. I'm not sure if anyone actually had bumper stickers made to keep them out, but it was joked about often. I don't think anyone meant they didn't want California's poor moving here. They didn't want the rich neighborhoods taking over every vacant field in the area. We also started describing them by how many decks a single family dwelling had -- like "A 5-deck neighborhood."

I'm against illegal (or undocumented) immigration. Just like I'm against undocumented drivers. But I think it's a travesty when countries turn boat people away. Seeking assylum in a country and sneaking across the boarder are very different things in my pea brain.

The problem with sarcasm, as seen on the bumper sticker -- is that people take it lots of different ways. Now that I think of it, I laughed at the shock of it, not because I agreed with the sentiment.

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11-09-2009 @ 11:56pm

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by: Joe_Allen_Doty

11-09-2009 @ 11:22pm

When Joseph took Mary and young Jesus to Egypt, wasn't Egypt also a part of the Roman Empire at the time? In those days, people traveled from country to country more easily.

On the Day of Pentecost when all of those "aliens" in Jerusalem hear the 120 Men and Women Disciples speaking in the languages of their own countries, they did have to be worried about being caught as "undocumented aliens."

by: Joe_Allen_Doty

11-09-2009 @ 11:35pm

Australia's racism history reminds me of the "Rabbit-Proof Fence" movie that was based on a true store of the country rounding up aboriginal children and putting them in church run schools to train them to be servants for white society. And the schools were supposed to teach them how to be "white," too.

The same thing happened with the Native children in America where the US government rounded them up and put them in "Christian" boarding schools. A friend of mine's mother was put into one of those schools. Clark, rather than telling me the whole story, told me to get the book from the public library which was a biography written about his mother growing up. His mother was Kiowa. I forgot the name of the book.

by: Joe_Allen_Doty

11-09-2009 @ 11:22pm

When Joseph took Mary and young Jesus to Egypt, wasn't Egypt also a part of the Roman Empire at the time? In those days, people traveled from country to country more easily.

On the Day of Pentecost when all of those "aliens" in Jerusalem hear the 120 Men and Women Disciples speaking in the languages of their own countries, they did have to be worried about being caught as "undocumented aliens."

by: brianhouston

11-10-2009 @ 5:41am

Wow. you speak for God? very bold statement there.

by: Joe_Allen_Doty

11-09-2009 @ 11:35pm

Australia's racism history reminds me of the "Rabbit-Proof Fence" movie that was based on a true store of the country rounding up aboriginal children and putting them in church run schools to train them to be servants for white society. And the schools were supposed to teach them how to be "white," too.

The same thing happened with the Native children in America where the US government rounded them up and put them in "Christian" boarding schools. A friend of mine's mother was put into one of those schools. Clark, rather than telling me the whole story, told me to get the book from the public library which was a biography written about his mother growing up. His mother was Kiowa. I forgot the name of the book.

by: Minnesotan

11-10-2009 @ 5:53am

I am curious who are the "boat people" seeking asylum and where are they coming from? They must be fleeing an oppressive government from somewhere. Where are they coming from? Vietnam? Indonesia? Papua New Guinea?

by: Ross Parry

11-10-2009 @ 6:48am

Some have come from Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq.
This group have come from Sri Lanka and are probably mostly Tamils fleeing the war there.
The war is now over, but life in Sri Lanka for Tamils is
not easy. This group say they have been living in Indonesia for a long time waiting in the queue to get a refugee visa to Australia. But some just give up waiting for years and decide to pay a people smuggler to send a leaky boat to Oz and try to
make it to australias coastline to claim asylum.
This is a high risk but it is not unlawful according to the UN convention to do so.
Compared to other countries Australia takes very few refugees as part of the overall migrant intake
But Australians excessively freak out over people who arrive in this way as though it is an invasion, or will lead to a massive uncontrolled amarda if it is not stopped.

by: brianhouston

11-10-2009 @ 5:41am

Wow. you speak for God? very bold statement there.

by: jarvo1

11-10-2009 @ 10:29am

Every minister claims it either explictly or implictly. There are even Brian Houstons in this world that do so... Maybe your one of them?

by: Minnesotan

11-10-2009 @ 5:53am

I am curious who are the "boat people" seeking asylum and where are they coming from? They must be fleeing an oppressive government from somewhere. Where are they coming from? Vietnam? Indonesia? Papua New Guinea?

by: Ross Parry

11-10-2009 @ 6:48am

Some have come from Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq.
This group have come from Sri Lanka and are probably mostly Tamils fleeing the war there.
The war is now over, but life in Sri Lanka for Tamils is
not easy. This group say they have been living in Indonesia for a long time waiting in the queue to get a refugee visa to Australia. But some just give up waiting for years and decide to pay a people smuggler to send a leaky boat to Oz and try to
make it to australias coastline to claim asylum.
This is a high risk but it is not unlawful according to the UN convention to do so.
Compared to other countries Australia takes very few refugees as part of the overall migrant intake
But Australians excessively freak out over people who arrive in this way as though it is an invasion, or will lead to a massive uncontrolled amarda if it is not stopped.

by: Jesdisciple

11-10-2009 @ 1:32pm

The fact that he's a member of the accused party helps, but note that he didn't make an absolute statement like "Thus saith the Lord." He states a biblically based opinion.

by: jarvo1

11-10-2009 @ 10:29am

Every minister claims it either explictly or implictly. There are even Brian Houstons in this world that do so... Maybe your one of them?

by: Jesdisciple

11-10-2009 @ 1:32pm

The fact that he's a member of the accused party helps, but note that he didn't make an absolute statement like "Thus saith the Lord." He states a biblically based opinion.

by: Faydine

11-10-2009 @ 9:22pm

There was a movie on cable this weekend that touched on bringing Native Americans into schools to make them white -- and in this case, take all the Indian out of them. It also made it clear that not everyone in the school agreed with the headmaster's position. One of the instructors encouraged the Indian boy to learn to write in English so he could preserve his culture. While I totally disagree with taking the native out of any person, I'm glad there were Native Americans who learned to write in English to give us insights into what we did wrong then.

I have been involved with cross-cultural ministries for years -- and churches that are eager to send wide-eyed and well-meaning folks into another culture for the sake of the gospel. I think this points again to the simple fact that cross-cultural ministry is really hard work that is very easy to mess up. I don't believe it's impossible -- I do believe God calls us to do it and can equip us to do it -- but it's very easy to mess up.

by: kiramatalishah

02-05-2010 @ 7:02am

According to the study, the most important tool for small businesses to succeed in 2010 is search engine marketing, while email marketing, public relations and social media cited as crucial for success. 23.8% of all small businesses reported that search engine marketing was the tool most needed for their business to succeed in 2010.
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by: Faydine

11-10-2009 @ 9:22pm

There was a movie on cable this weekend that touched on bringing Native Americans into schools to make them white -- and in this case, take all the Indian out of them. It also made it clear that not everyone in the school agreed with the headmaster's position. One of the instructors encouraged the Indian boy to learn to write in English so he could preserve his culture. While I totally disagree with taking the native out of any person, I'm glad there were Native Americans who learned to write in English to give us insights into what we did wrong then.

I have been involved with cross-cultural ministries for years -- and churches that are eager to send wide-eyed and well-meaning folks into another culture for the sake of the gospel. I think this points again to the simple fact that cross-cultural ministry is really hard work that is very easy to mess up. I don't believe it's impossible -- I do believe God calls us to do it and can equip us to do it -- but it's very easy to mess up.

by: kiramatalishah

02-05-2010 @ 5:02am

According to the study, the most important tool for small businesses to succeed in 2010 is search engine marketing, while email marketing, public relations and social media cited as crucial for success. 23.8% of all small businesses reported that search engine marketing was the tool most needed for their business to succeed in 2010.
www.onlineuniversalwork.com

by: Dicky28

01-29-2010 @ 12:13pm

I'm sure we've all been watching the people in Haiti fighting over the aid that is being handed out. I'm sure no one thinks this is a good situation. It is much safer for those being aided and is also much fairer if the aid is handed out in an orderly fashion on the basis of who is in most need. The way it is happening now, those who need it the least are getting the most aid. It is survival of the fittest (strongest). Those most in need have no chance of fighting their way through everybody else to get the aid. It is the same with boat people (refugees) coming to Australia. Those 'refugees' that arrive in Australia by boat are those who have managed to finance their travels half way around the world, through numerous countries, and then can afford to pay a lot of money to the Indonesian people smugglers to bring them across to Australia. Those most in need of refuge are stuck in some UN camp much closer to where they have come from. They don't have the means that the boat people have. The last few Australian Governments have all greatly increased our refugee intake. Those who are welcomed are those judged to need our help the most. Encouraging people to come illegally by boat risks their lives and encourages corrupt practices, just the same as chucking the aid out of a helicopter does. In that situation, the strongest get the aid and then have power over everybody else to distrbute as they see fit. Does anyone truly believe that is the best system? Do you Jarrod? I'd like to hear your thoughts.

by: Bungarra

11-10-2009 @ 11:27pm

This is not an easy problem.
The politics of 'boat people' in Australia is a function complex mix of political agendas and hidden agendas. The previous government, Howard et al, won their last election on the fate of a group of boat people picked up at sea after their boat foundered by a passing tanker.

The demonising of these people as being 'queue jumpers', potential terrorists, ignoring the right of Australia to determine who enters Australia, together with remanets of older policies often hidden by 'PC' talk activated a significant resentment in the population and ensured election. Yet the changes of peoples in camps in SE Asia getting resettlement any time soon is rather low.

If there is no queue

by: Bungarra

11-10-2009 @ 11:27pm

This is not an easy problem.
The politics of 'boat people' in Australia is a function complex mix of political agendas and hidden agendas. The previous government, Howard et al, won their last election on the fate of a group of boat people picked up at sea after their boat foundered by a passing tanker.

The demonising of these people as being 'queue jumpers', potential terrorists, ignoring the right of Australia to determine who enters Australia, together with remanets of older policies often hidden by 'PC' talk activated a significant resentment in the population and ensured election. Yet the changes of peoples in camps in SE Asia getting resettlement any time soon is rather low.

If there is no queue

by: Joe_Allen_Doty

11-11-2009 @ 2:02am

I meant "they did NOT have to be worried about being caught as 'undocumented aliens'."

by: Joe_Allen_Doty

11-11-2009 @ 2:09am

I have documented proof that I have Native American heritage and my tribe is Cherokee. The proof is on the Certificate of Degree of Indian Blood card issued by the Department of the Interior's Bureau of Indian Affairs.

My main Cherokee Ancestors left the original lands and went to Arkansas before the removal by force called the "Trail of Tears. Then after the Cherokee Nation was established in Indian Territory, they moved into the Cooweescoowee District of the new "Nation."

by: Joe_Allen_Doty

11-11-2009 @ 2:02am

I meant "they did NOT have to be worried about being caught as 'undocumented aliens'."

by: Joe_Allen_Doty

11-11-2009 @ 2:09am

I have documented proof that I have Native American heritage and my tribe is Cherokee. The proof is on the Certificate of Degree of Indian Blood card issued by the Department of the Interior's Bureau of Indian Affairs.

My main Cherokee Ancestors left the original lands and went to Arkansas before the removal by force called the "Trail of Tears. Then after the Cherokee Nation was established in Indian Territory, they moved into the Cooweescoowee District of the new "Nation."

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by: Faydine

11-09-2009 @ 2:15pm

I'm always a little amused when people say, "They have a plank in their own eye!" because -- well frankly, we all have them. The problem is that we're all blind to them.

I must confess that I laughed out loud at the bumper sticker -- but not because of boat people. About 10 years ago, it seemed everybody was moving out of California and into my state of Colorado. I'm not sure if anyone actually had bumper stickers made to keep them out, but it was joked about often. I don't think anyone meant they didn't want California's poor moving here. They didn't want the rich neighborhoods taking over every vacant field in the area. We also started describing them by how many decks a single family dwelling had -- like "A 5-deck neighborhood."

I'm against illegal (or undocumented) immigration. Just like I'm against undocumented drivers. But I think it's a travesty when countries turn boat people away. Seeking assylum in a country and sneaking across the boarder are very different things in my pea brain.

The problem with sarcasm, as seen on the bumper sticker -- is that people take it lots of different ways. Now that I think of it, I laughed at the shock of it, not because I agreed with the sentiment.

by: Faydine

11-09-2009 @ 2:15pm

I'm always a little amused when people say, "They have a plank in their own eye!" because -- well frankly, we all have them. The problem is that we're all blind to them.

I must confess that I laughed out loud at the bumper sticker -- but not because of boat people. About 10 years ago, it seemed everybody was moving out of California and into my state of Colorado. I'm not sure if anyone actually had bumper stickers made to keep them out, but it was joked about often. I don't think anyone meant they didn't want California's poor moving here. They didn't want the rich neighborhoods taking over every vacant field in the area. We also started describing them by how many decks a single family dwelling had -- like "A 5-deck neighborhood."

I'm against illegal (or undocumented) immigration. Just like I'm against undocumented drivers. But I think it's a travesty when countries turn boat people away. Seeking assylum in a country and sneaking across the boarder are very different things in my pea brain.

The problem with sarcasm, as seen on the bumper sticker -- is that people take it lots of different ways. Now that I think of it, I laughed at the shock of it, not because I agreed with the sentiment.

by: Joe_Allen_Doty

11-09-2009 @ 11:22pm

When Joseph took Mary and young Jesus to Egypt, wasn't Egypt also a part of the Roman Empire at the time? In those days, people traveled from country to country more easily.

On the Day of Pentecost when all of those "aliens" in Jerusalem hear the 120 Men and Women Disciples speaking in the languages of their own countries, they did have to be worried about being caught as "undocumented aliens."

by: Joe_Allen_Doty

11-09-2009 @ 11:22pm

When Joseph took Mary and young Jesus to Egypt, wasn't Egypt also a part of the Roman Empire at the time? In those days, people traveled from country to country more easily.

On the Day of Pentecost when all of those "aliens" in Jerusalem hear the 120 Men and Women Disciples speaking in the languages of their own countries, they did have to be worried about being caught as "undocumented aliens."

by: Joe_Allen_Doty

11-09-2009 @ 11:35pm

Australia's racism history reminds me of the "Rabbit-Proof Fence" movie that was based on a true store of the country rounding up aboriginal children and putting them in church run schools to train them to be servants for white society. And the schools were supposed to teach them how to be "white," too.

The same thing happened with the Native children in America where the US government rounded them up and put them in "Christian" boarding schools. A friend of mine's mother was put into one of those schools. Clark, rather than telling me the whole story, told me to get the book from the public library which was a biography written about his mother growing up. His mother was Kiowa. I forgot the name of the book.

by: Joe_Allen_Doty

11-09-2009 @ 11:35pm

Australia's racism history reminds me of the "Rabbit-Proof Fence" movie that was based on a true store of the country rounding up aboriginal children and putting them in church run schools to train them to be servants for white society. And the schools were supposed to teach them how to be "white," too.

The same thing happened with the Native children in America where the US government rounded them up and put them in "Christian" boarding schools. A friend of mine's mother was put into one of those schools. Clark, rather than telling me the whole story, told me to get the book from the public library which was a biography written about his mother growing up. His mother was Kiowa. I forgot the name of the book.

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11-09-2009 @ 11:56pm

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by: brianhouston

11-10-2009 @ 5:41am

Wow. you speak for God? very bold statement there.

by: brianhouston

11-10-2009 @ 5:41am

Wow. you speak for God? very bold statement there.

by: Minnesotan

11-10-2009 @ 5:53am

I am curious who are the "boat people" seeking asylum and where are they coming from? They must be fleeing an oppressive government from somewhere. Where are they coming from? Vietnam? Indonesia? Papua New Guinea?

by: Minnesotan

11-10-2009 @ 5:53am

I am curious who are the "boat people" seeking asylum and where are they coming from? They must be fleeing an oppressive government from somewhere. Where are they coming from? Vietnam? Indonesia? Papua New Guinea?

by: Ross Parry

11-10-2009 @ 6:48am

Some have come from Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq.
This group have come from Sri Lanka and are probably mostly Tamils fleeing the war there.
The war is now over, but life in Sri Lanka for Tamils is
not easy. This group say they have been living in Indonesia for a long time waiting in the queue to get a refugee visa to Australia. But some just give up waiting for years and decide to pay a people smuggler to send a leaky boat to Oz and try to
make it to australias coastline to claim asylum.
This is a high risk but it is not unlawful according to the UN convention to do so.
Compared to other countries Australia takes very few refugees as part of the overall migrant intake
But Australians excessively freak out over people who arrive in this way as though it is an invasion, or will lead to a massive uncontrolled amarda if it is not stopped.

by: Ross Parry

11-10-2009 @ 6:48am

Some have come from Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq.
This group have come from Sri Lanka and are probably mostly Tamils fleeing the war there.
The war is now over, but life in Sri Lanka for Tamils is
not easy. This group say they have been living in Indonesia for a long time waiting in the queue to get a refugee visa to Australia. But some just give up waiting for years and decide to pay a people smuggler to send a leaky boat to Oz and try to
make it to australias coastline to claim asylum.
This is a high risk but it is not unlawful according to the UN convention to do so.
Compared to other countries Australia takes very few refugees as part of the overall migrant intake
But Australians excessively freak out over people who arrive in this way as though it is an invasion, or will lead to a massive uncontrolled amarda if it is not stopped.

by: jarvo1

11-10-2009 @ 10:29am

Every minister claims it either explictly or implictly. There are even Brian Houstons in this world that do so... Maybe your one of them?

by: jarvo1

11-10-2009 @ 10:29am

Every minister claims it either explictly or implictly. There are even Brian Houstons in this world that do so... Maybe your one of them?

by: Jesdisciple

11-10-2009 @ 1:32pm

The fact that he's a member of the accused party helps, but note that he didn't make an absolute statement like "Thus saith the Lord." He states a biblically based opinion.

by: Jesdisciple

11-10-2009 @ 1:32pm

The fact that he's a member of the accused party helps, but note that he didn't make an absolute statement like "Thus saith the Lord." He states a biblically based opinion.

by: Faydine

11-10-2009 @ 9:22pm

There was a movie on cable this weekend that touched on bringing Native Americans into schools to make them white -- and in this case, take all the Indian out of them. It also made it clear that not everyone in the school agreed with the headmaster's position. One of the instructors encouraged the Indian boy to learn to write in English so he could preserve his culture. While I totally disagree with taking the native out of any person, I'm glad there were Native Americans who learned to write in English to give us insights into what we did wrong then.

I have been involved with cross-cultural ministries for years -- and churches that are eager to send wide-eyed and well-meaning folks into another culture for the sake of the gospel. I think this points again to the simple fact that cross-cultural ministry is really hard work that is very easy to mess up. I don't believe it's impossible -- I do believe God calls us to do it and can equip us to do it -- but it's very easy to mess up.

by: Faydine

11-10-2009 @ 9:22pm

There was a movie on cable this weekend that touched on bringing Native Americans into schools to make them white -- and in this case, take all the Indian out of them. It also made it clear that not everyone in the school agreed with the headmaster's position. One of the instructors encouraged the Indian boy to learn to write in English so he could preserve his culture. While I totally disagree with taking the native out of any person, I'm glad there were Native Americans who learned to write in English to give us insights into what we did wrong then.

I have been involved with cross-cultural ministries for years -- and churches that are eager to send wide-eyed and well-meaning folks into another culture for the sake of the gospel. I think this points again to the simple fact that cross-cultural ministry is really hard work that is very easy to mess up. I don't believe it's impossible -- I do believe God calls us to do it and can equip us to do it -- but it's very easy to mess up.

by: Bungarra

11-10-2009 @ 11:27pm

This is not an easy problem.
The politics of 'boat people' in Australia is a function complex mix of political agendas and hidden agendas. The previous government, Howard et al, won their last election on the fate of a group of boat people picked up at sea after their boat foundered by a passing tanker.

The demonising of these people as being 'queue jumpers', potential terrorists, ignoring the right of Australia to determine who enters Australia, together with remanets of older policies often hidden by 'PC' talk activated a significant resentment in the population and ensured election. Yet the changes of peoples in camps in SE Asia getting resettlement any time soon is rather low.

If there is no queue

by: Bungarra

11-10-2009 @ 11:27pm

This is not an easy problem.
The politics of 'boat people' in Australia is a function complex mix of political agendas and hidden agendas. The previous government, Howard et al, won their last election on the fate of a group of boat people picked up at sea after their boat foundered by a passing tanker.

The demonising of these people as being 'queue jumpers', potential terrorists, ignoring the right of Australia to determine who enters Australia, together with remanets of older policies often hidden by 'PC' talk activated a significant resentment in the population and ensured election. Yet the changes of peoples in camps in SE Asia getting resettlement any time soon is rather low.

If there is no queue

by: Joe_Allen_Doty

11-11-2009 @ 2:02am

I meant "they did NOT have to be worried about being caught as 'undocumented aliens'."

by: Joe_Allen_Doty

11-11-2009 @ 2:02am

I meant "they did NOT have to be worried about being caught as 'undocumented aliens'."

by: Joe_Allen_Doty

11-11-2009 @ 2:09am

I have documented proof that I have Native American heritage and my tribe is Cherokee. The proof is on the Certificate of Degree of Indian Blood card issued by the Department of the Interior's Bureau of Indian Affairs.

My main Cherokee Ancestors left the original lands and went to Arkansas before the removal by force called the "Trail of Tears. Then after the Cherokee Nation was established in Indian Territory, they moved into the Cooweescoowee District of the new "Nation."

by: Joe_Allen_Doty

11-11-2009 @ 2:09am

I have documented proof that I have Native American heritage and my tribe is Cherokee. The proof is on the Certificate of Degree of Indian Blood card issued by the Department of the Interior's Bureau of Indian Affairs.

My main Cherokee Ancestors left the original lands and went to Arkansas before the removal by force called the "Trail of Tears. Then after the Cherokee Nation was established in Indian Territory, they moved into the Cooweescoowee District of the new "Nation."

by: Faydine

11-12-2009 @ 4:35pm

Oh -- don't get me wrong, I fully understand that much of what the
government did was wrong, and the Trail of Tears is a great example of that.
My dad grew up in Stillwell, OK and grew up with an old Cherokee man who had
been on it. If I recall correctly, his name was Clem Beaver, but dad often
told stories of the Beaver kids he went to school with, so I may have the
first name wrong.

I was referring to the many attempts by white individuals to actually do
something good or worthwhile in a cross-cultural setting and really screw it
up.

by: Faydine

11-12-2009 @ 4:35pm

Oh -- don't get me wrong, I fully understand that much of what the
government did was wrong, and the Trail of Tears is a great example of that.
My dad grew up in Stillwell, OK and grew up with an old Cherokee man who had
been on it. If I recall correctly, his name was Clem Beaver, but dad often
told stories of the Beaver kids he went to school with, so I may have the
first name wrong.

I was referring to the many attempts by white individuals to actually do
something good or worthwhile in a cross-cultural setting and really screw it
up.

by: mervynthomas

11-12-2009 @ 5:49pm

I feel sick whenever I see this bumper sticker. But what bothers me more is when I hear kindly Christian people in my own parish saying the same sort of things - less crudely, without the obscenity, but coming directly from the same attitudes.

Although explicitly racist statements are no longer acceptable in mainstream Australia, scare mongering about being `swamped' by refugees seems to be an acceptable political tactic.

by: mervynthomas

11-12-2009 @ 5:49pm

I feel sick whenever I see this bumper sticker. But what bothers me more is when I hear kindly Christian people in my own parish saying the same sort of things - less crudely, without the obscenity, but coming directly from the same attitudes.

Although explicitly racist statements are no longer acceptable in mainstream Australia, scare mongering about being `swamped' by refugees seems to be an acceptable political tactic.

by: lgarth80

11-13-2009 @ 2:56am

Very small comment - with the overstay visas, there is an expectation after the "tourists" come with assumed proper documents, that deportation can occur in the event of trouble. With people arriving on boats, they can have badly damaged or no legal documents of identification, making it difficult for deportation.

Hence the issue with a person overstaying on a visa = they get deported when found, and if they don't there is no Medicare, etc.

If someone comes and gains asylum through no documents (benefit of the doubt), then there is full Medicare and lifetime option of Australian citizenship, which costs the taxpayer far more over the long term, particularly when families are involved.

I'm sorry if this view seems racist, jaundiced or anything but fair on those escaping tyrannic regimes and in genuine need of asylum. Just thought that I should put order into the differences between Qantas and illegal boats on the NW corner of Australia.

by: lgarth80

11-13-2009 @ 2:56am

Very small comment - with the overstay visas, there is an expectation after the "tourists" come with assumed proper documents, that deportation can occur in the event of trouble. With people arriving on boats, they can have badly damaged or no legal documents of identification, making it difficult for deportation.

Hence the issue with a person overstaying on a visa = they get deported when found, and if they don't there is no Medicare, etc.

If someone comes and gains asylum through no documents (benefit of the doubt), then there is full Medicare and lifetime option of Australian citizenship, which costs the taxpayer far more over the long term, particularly when families are involved.

I'm sorry if this view seems racist, jaundiced or anything but fair on those escaping tyrannic regimes and in genuine need of asylum. Just thought that I should put order into the differences between Qantas and illegal boats on the NW corner of Australia.

by: Bungarra

11-13-2009 @ 6:06am

Thanks for the feed back
Do not agree at all. What is the real difference between a person
attempting to get to Australia by boat or other means or using Qantas etc
with a short term visa with no intention of returning? They then become
undocumented workers who can be exploited by unscrupulous employers. Seen
it in action here. Over stayers tend to disappear into the community.
It just that they are more conspicuous when coming by boat. You are making
an assumption that the papers required for a visa are more or less legit.
Not necessarily so they can and are bought/forged.
At least the boat people get properly looked at once caught. Look at the
record of war criminals ex various conflicts in Australia.
Look at the question re the student visas etc. Those who are well connected
can get in, even the children of dictators and others who should be on the
prohibited list for crimes against humanity.
However this is only a diversion form the real issue.
I am totally disgusted by the way this issue has been used in politics here.
There has been huge amounts spent, rather than just pick them up, process
fairly rapidly and properly - no Cornelia Rowe's please. Spending long
periods in detention is not on. Nor is transporting peoples away from
Australia just to keep the façade up that we have not allowed them here. All
of this is to ensure that some can be seen as defending Australia, and to
get and or maintain political power when the major issues are in other
places ie are we getting value from the various large multinationals here,
are they interfering too much in our affairs to our detriment (yes in my
industry) or the impact of trade subsidies on our products, and are the
terms of the free trade agreements we are entering to just?
I spent some time in Shanghai as a small child, and saw the white Russian
refuges there. Their stories left a deep impression on me. Do we recognise
the common humanity of all or not?
As I understand it, the boat people are not illegal when they arrive and
seek refuge status, the visa over stayers are.
John Holmes
46 Gallagher St, Eden Hill, 6054
Ph (08) 9377 0607
Mob 0400 185 458
Email homesjc@iprimus.com.au

by: Bungarra

11-13-2009 @ 6:06am

Thanks for the feed back
Do not agree at all. What is the real difference between a person
attempting to get to Australia by boat or other means or using Qantas etc
with a short term visa with no intention of returning? They then become
undocumented workers who can be exploited by unscrupulous employers. Seen
it in action here. Over stayers tend to disappear into the community.
It just that they are more conspicuous when coming by boat. You are making
an assumption that the papers required for a visa are more or less legit.
Not necessarily so they can and are bought/forged.
At least the boat people get properly looked at once caught. Look at the
record of war criminals ex various conflicts in Australia.
Look at the question re the student visas etc. Those who are well connected
can get in, even the children of dictators and others who should be on the
prohibited list for crimes against humanity.
However this is only a diversion form the real issue.
I am totally disgusted by the way this issue has been used in politics here.
There has been huge amounts spent, rather than just pick them up, process
fairly rapidly and properly - no Cornelia Rowe's please. Spending long
periods in detention is not on. Nor is transporting peoples away from
Australia just to keep the façade up that we have not allowed them here. All
of this is to ensure that some can be seen as defending Australia, and to
get and or maintain political power when the major issues are in other
places ie are we getting value from the various large multinationals here,
are they interfering too much in our affairs to our detriment (yes in my
industry) or the impact of trade subsidies on our products, and are the
terms of the free trade agreements we are entering to just?
I spent some time in Shanghai as a small child, and saw the white Russian
refuges there. Their stories left a deep impression on me. Do we recognise
the common humanity of all or not?
As I understand it, the boat people are not illegal when they arrive and
seek refuge status, the visa over stayers are.
John Holmes
46 Gallagher St, Eden Hill, 6054
Ph (08) 9377 0607
Mob 0400 185 458
Email homesjc@iprimus.com.au

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by: makemoneyathomeinaustralia

04-26-2010 @ 12:53pm

Piracy is a war-like act committed by private parties (not affiliated with any government) that engage in acts of robbery and/or criminal violence at sea. The term can include acts committed in other major bodies of water or on a shore. It does not normally include crimes committed against persons travelling on the same vessel as the perpetrator (e.g. one passenger stealing from others on the same vessel). The term has been used to refer to raids across land borders by non-state agents. Piracy should be distinguished from privateering