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Will Violence Have the Last Word at Fort Hood?

Like so many across our country, I have been reeling about the news coming out of Ft. Hood, TX. A friend and fellow conscientious objector, who is also co-founder of Centurion's Guild, informed me via text message shortly after the news broke. So much immediately rushed through my head that still remains shrouded in uncertainty; was it premeditated, and if so how far in advance, and what ultimately motivated this tragedy? To make matters worse, we still have frustratingly limited information at this time, and it is unlikely that satisfying answers will be forthcoming very soon.

As we wait for more of the context to unfold, it goes without saying that I will be praying for the family members of those killed and wounded. It is absolutely heartbreaking that these soldiers were preparing to sacrificially put themselves in danger in Iraq or Afghanistan and instead were gunned down unarmed and unassuming. I will also be praying for the Ft. Hood command element, leaders like General Robert Cone, that they find the strength to lead with humble confidence and that they will act justly in the days ahead.

Major Hasan violated many assumptions that I held about potential gunmen; he was middle aged, a field grade officer (outranking about 95% of military members), had no spouse or children, heck, he even held a doctorate in mental health! Could some form of PTSD really have compelled him to snap? At least one news network is labeling his motivation as "compassion fatigue." We may never know for sure what ultimately led Major Hasan to do what he did. Either way, as Christians, we know violence is not part of God's intent and that in every form it counteracts Christ's redemptive suffering on the Cross. It is with that knowledge we must also pray for the shooter himself.

One of my concerns for Major Hasan is that he receives a fair and impartial trial. More importantly, given the very public nature of the events, will he be considered for capital punishment? The Wall Street Journal has already raised the issue of jurisdiction and the "specter of the death penalty." Incredibly, under the Uniform Code of Military Justice, many members do not, under normal circumstances, have access to a jury of their peers. In capital courts martial, on the other hand, a panel of twelve decides one's fate. There are currently nine members sitting on Ft. Leavenworth's Death Row, six of whom are black. Just as troubling is that the conviction rate within the UCMJ is startlingly high (96%, according to the law firm Gonzalez & Waddington).

As the facts continue to be revealed in this tragedy, Major Hasan will most definitely be the focus of an entire nation's rage. Without a doubt, he will suffer the unforgiving wrath of public opinion. As the Church, I hope we can find it in ourselves to encourage our neighbors and friends to remember his humanity, however tarnished it has become, and extend to him what compassion we can muster. If we succumb to the temptation to hold malice and rage towards Major Hasan, we will, as John Howard Yoder might put it, become just another sociological reflection of the world and embody the message that there is truly nothing new about Christ. We have a beautiful opportunity, as Christ's body, to show the world that hatred and scorn, and ultimately violence, does not have to have the last word.

portrait-logan-laituriLogan Laituri is an Army veteran with combatant service in Iraq during OIF II and experience with Christian Peacemaker Teams in Israel and the West Bank. He blogs sporadically and is a co-founder of Centurion's Guild.

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11-12-2009 @ 7:15pm

One dimension missing from this article and the following comments seems to be the question of whether Major Hasan's motives were those of "radical Islam". As we know radical Islam threatens America very openly. Very, very troubling to me is that Hasan's anti-American views were well known in advance of this massacre, to colleagues and possibly even to the CIA. When Jesus asked his followers to turn the other cheek, I don't think he had in mind closing our eyes to the threat of terrorism on our own soil. I look forward to a positive response to Senator Lieberman's call for a congressional inquiry.

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One dimension missing from this article and the following comments seems to be the question of whether Major Hasan's motives were those of "radical Islam". As we know radical Islam threatens America very openly. Very, very troubling to me is that Hasan's anti-American views were well known in advance of this massacre, to colleagues and possibly even to the CIA. When Jesus asked his followers to turn the other cheek, I don't think he had in mind closing our eyes to the threat of terrorism on our own soil. I look forward to a positive response to Senator Lieberman's call for a congressional inquiry.

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One dimension missing from this article and the following comments seems to be the question of whether Major Hasan's motives were those of "radical Islam". As we know radical Islam threatens America very openly. Very, very troubling to me is that Hasan's anti-American views were well known in advance of this massacre, to colleagues and possibly even to the CIA. When Jesus asked his followers to turn the other cheek, I don't think he had in mind closing our eyes to the threat of terrorism on our own soil. I look forward to a positive response to Senator Lieberman's call for a congressional inquiry.

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"Could some form of PTSD really have compelled him to snap? At least one news network is labeling his motivation as "compassion fatigue." We may never know for sure what ultimately led Major Hasan to do what he did."

Actually we do know. He is a muslim extremist. They really mean it when they say that want to kill us.

by: pcnot4me

11-09-2009 @ 2:04pm

"Could some form of PTSD really have compelled him to snap? At least one news network is labeling his motivation as "compassion fatigue." We may never know for sure what ultimately led Major Hasan to do what he did."

Actually we do know. He is a muslim extremist. They really mean it when they say that want to kill us.

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Thank you. Logan. Like you, I'll be praying for clarity and compassion.

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Major Hasan violated much, much more than "many assumptions"; he violated the right to life of 13 innocent people.

by: JoannaCW

11-09-2009 @ 4:13pm

Thank you. Logan. Like you, I'll be praying for clarity and compassion.

by: bodysoul

11-09-2009 @ 6:28pm

Thank you for helping us remember that Major Hasan is just another human being. It is difficult to deal with.

But why do I get to decide that these deaths at Fort Hood are any more heinous than if they'd been "in action" in Afghanistan or Iraq? And why are these deaths are more painful to me than the deaths of 13 citizens of Afghanistan or Iraq? Does God really see these lives & deaths my way & rank their worth through my opinions & prejudices? Or does God weep the same for every death, irregardless of who & why?

It seems to me that putting so much blame on Major Hasan (who is so conveniently "not like me") is just a way for me to soothe my conscience & my fears. Our military is "supposed" to protect me & that's supposed to make me safe. How can I feel safe when this happens? And if I focus enough on Major Hasan, I don't have to take any responsibility for my own apathy & contributions to this messy little game we call war.

by: judithod

11-09-2009 @ 5:15pm

Major Hasan violated much, much more than "many assumptions"; he violated the right to life of 13 innocent people.

by: Joe_Allen_Doty

11-09-2009 @ 11:07pm

When I was stationed with the 196th Light Infantry Brigade and later Americal Division, I was a Clerk-Typist in the Staff Judge Advocate Sections. While I don't remember typing paperwork for or being involved in any capital courts-martial cases, I was a bailiff for 3 manslaughter courts-martial.

In the US Military, even when one is accused of violating one of the laws of the Uniform Code of Military Justice, one is considered guilty until proven innocent.

I am saddened because this happened; but, our military outside of the United States of America, both the States and Territories, is doing absolutely nothing to defend the freedoms of US Citizens living inside USA's states and territories.

by: bodysoul

11-09-2009 @ 6:28pm

Thank you for helping us remember that Major Hasan is just another human being. It is difficult to deal with.

But why do I get to decide that these deaths at Fort Hood are any more heinous than if they'd been "in action" in Afghanistan or Iraq? And why are these deaths are more painful to me than the deaths of 13 citizens of Afghanistan or Iraq? Does God really see these lives & deaths my way & rank their worth through my opinions & prejudices? Or does God weep the same for every death, irregardless of who & why?

It seems to me that putting so much blame on Major Hasan (who is so conveniently "not like me") is just a way for me to soothe my conscience & my fears. Our military is "supposed" to protect me & that's supposed to make me safe. How can I feel safe when this happens? And if I focus enough on Major Hasan, I don't have to take any responsibility for my own apathy & contributions to this messy little game we call war.

by: Joe_Allen_Doty

11-09-2009 @ 11:15pm

The conflict here is that the training and education which Major Hasan got to get him certified as a mental health professional conflicted with his religious beliefs.

There are many Christians who have PhDs in mental health and they are licensed and certified, too. But, some of those believe that it is a sin to be gay and that one is not born exclusively homosexual in his sexual orientation.

Both the Hebrew Scriptures and the "scriptures" which the Muslims use have commands of violence toward infidels. But, there is no such thing in the teachings of the New Testament Scriptures.

by: Joe_Allen_Doty

11-09-2009 @ 11:07pm

When I was stationed with the 196th Light Infantry Brigade and later Americal Division, I was a Clerk-Typist in the Staff Judge Advocate Sections. While I don't remember typing paperwork for or being involved in any capital courts-martial cases, I was a bailiff for 3 manslaughter courts-martial.

In the US Military, even when one is accused of violating one of the laws of the Uniform Code of Military Justice, one is considered guilty until proven innocent.

I am saddened because this happened; but, our military outside of the United States of America, both the States and Territories, is doing absolutely nothing to defend the freedoms of US Citizens living inside USA's states and territories.

by: Joe_Allen_Doty

11-09-2009 @ 11:15pm

The conflict here is that the training and education which Major Hasan got to get him certified as a mental health professional conflicted with his religious beliefs.

There are many Christians who have PhDs in mental health and they are licensed and certified, too. But, some of those believe that it is a sin to be gay and that one is not born exclusively homosexual in his sexual orientation.

Both the Hebrew Scriptures and the "scriptures" which the Muslims use have commands of violence toward infidels. But, there is no such thing in the teachings of the New Testament Scriptures.

by: wintermay

11-10-2009 @ 9:32am

I feel we do not have all the necessary information ever - but we should have more in order to make sense - otherwiese the conclusions are "a shot in the dark".
From the information on media we "can gather" that there was too much strain on a medical professional dealing with the mental disorders of those coming back from the war zones - and showing the effects - the loss of "normal" life inside one' mind - the endless nightmares, the need to find forgiveness for oneself and "the other".
To face the notion of fighting all this (after accepting the "other" as our brother - go and fight him - into Iraq or elsewhere, as your foe).
Those in hierarchy should be aware of the conflicts in one's mind this involves. Either one is trained to forgive -or to hate and go to war - both it is a "snapping" process.
I do not excuse killing - nor the death penalty.

We need understanding the "other", in many shapes.

by: Weiwen Ng

11-10-2009 @ 11:05am

Don't refer to others' holy books in scare quotes. And Christians have had enough of a history with violence that you'd think Jesus Himself said to conduct genocide.

by: wintermay

11-10-2009 @ 9:32am

I feel we do not have all the necessary information ever - but we should have more in order to make sense - otherwiese the conclusions are "a shot in the dark".
From the information on media we "can gather" that there was too much strain on a medical professional dealing with the mental disorders of those coming back from the war zones - and showing the effects - the loss of "normal" life inside one' mind - the endless nightmares, the need to find forgiveness for oneself and "the other".
To face the notion of fighting all this (after accepting the "other" as our brother - go and fight him - into Iraq or elsewhere, as your foe).
Those in hierarchy should be aware of the conflicts in one's mind this involves. Either one is trained to forgive -or to hate and go to war - both it is a "snapping" process.
I do not excuse killing - nor the death penalty.

We need understanding the "other", in many shapes.

by: Weiwen Ng

11-10-2009 @ 11:05am

Don't refer to others' holy books in scare quotes. And Christians have had enough of a history with violence that you'd think Jesus Himself said to conduct genocide.

by: cleric60

11-10-2009 @ 5:45pm

"Do it in the name of heaven, you can justify it in the end" as the folk song so rightly puts it". God of the Universe does not need weak, frail human beings to kill/murder in in His Name. All three major religions, Jewish, Islam, Christian treasure the word "Peace", yet they "war" against one another...why? Are they not using their
religion as a pretense to cover up their lusty need for power, fame, glory, earthly gain, land, and oil?

by: SavannahRose

11-10-2009 @ 6:06pm

Just because he was a mental health professional does not mean he did not have serious mental health issues or serious mental illness himself.

I used to attend an evangelical church with a psychologist on staff, a man with a doctorate degree in psychology from a major big-ten university. Although he did not kill anyone, he destroyed and attempted to destroy people's lives in ways that shocked all of us. He betrayed his patients in some horrific ways. It became clear to us that he was seriously mentally ill.

My point is that even someone that educated in mental health and even someone who purports to be a Christian can do terrible things. It just makes it all the harder to understand.

by: cleric60

11-10-2009 @ 5:45pm

"Do it in the name of heaven, you can justify it in the end" as the folk song so rightly puts it". God of the Universe does not need weak, frail human beings to kill/murder in in His Name. All three major religions, Jewish, Islam, Christian treasure the word "Peace", yet they "war" against one another...why? Are they not using their
religion as a pretense to cover up their lusty need for power, fame, glory, earthly gain, land, and oil?

by: SavannahRose

11-10-2009 @ 6:06pm

Just because he was a mental health professional does not mean he did not have serious mental health issues or serious mental illness himself.

I used to attend an evangelical church with a psychologist on staff, a man with a doctorate degree in psychology from a major big-ten university. Although he did not kill anyone, he destroyed and attempted to destroy people's lives in ways that shocked all of us. He betrayed his patients in some horrific ways. It became clear to us that he was seriously mentally ill.

My point is that even someone that educated in mental health and even someone who purports to be a Christian can do terrible things. It just makes it all the harder to understand.

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The "Christians" who committed violent acts non-Believers did so AFTER the Byzantine Emperor Constantine decided to turn the churches in his empire into a politically organized religious institution.

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All of the evil done in the name of Christianity had no connection with Jesus and his unconditional love. Jesus never said "Kill you enemies" or "Kill those who don't believe in me."

by: donaldjames

11-12-2009 @ 9:15pm

One dimension missing from this article and the following comments seems to be the question of whether Major Hasan's motives were those of "radical Islam". As we know radical Islam threatens America very openly. Very, very troubling to me is that Hasan's anti-American views were well known in advance of this massacre, to colleagues and possibly even to the CIA. When Jesus asked his followers to turn the other cheek, I don't think he had in mind closing our eyes to the threat of terrorism on our own soil. I look forward to a positive response to Senator Lieberman's call for a congressional inquiry.

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by: Joe_Allen_Doty

11-11-2009 @ 2:22am

The "Christians" who committed violent acts non-Believers did so AFTER the Byzantine Emperor Constantine decided to turn the churches in his empire into a politically organized religious institution.

None of Jesus' followers committed acts of violence after the Resurrection.

All of the evil done in the name of Christianity had no connection with Jesus and his unconditional love. Jesus never said "Kill you enemies" or "Kill those who don't believe in me."

by: Weiwen Ng

11-11-2009 @ 2:02pm

That's my point exactly - Jesus specifically said to turn the other cheek, but His followers have been so sloppy about following that that you'd think Jesus said the exact opposite. The Crusades are a great example.

The point remains that you are showing profound disrespect to Islam. That doesn't mean you can't have problems with some of its teachings, because I do. However, Islam has had its peaceful periods over the years. Islam has the theological resources to support peace. Christianity does, too. But you are gravely mistaken if you think Christianity to be inherently superior to Islam in that regard - the behavior of Christians through the years has shown otherwise.

by: Weiwen Ng

11-11-2009 @ 2:02pm

That's my point exactly - Jesus specifically said to turn the other cheek, but His followers have been so sloppy about following that that you'd think Jesus said the exact opposite. The Crusades are a great example.

The point remains that you are showing profound disrespect to Islam. That doesn't mean you can't have problems with some of its teachings, because I do. However, Islam has had its peaceful periods over the years. Islam has the theological resources to support peace. Christianity does, too. But you are gravely mistaken if you think Christianity to be inherently superior to Islam in that regard - the behavior of Christians through the years has shown otherwise.

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by: pcnot4me

11-09-2009 @ 2:04pm

"Could some form of PTSD really have compelled him to snap? At least one news network is labeling his motivation as "compassion fatigue." We may never know for sure what ultimately led Major Hasan to do what he did."

Actually we do know. He is a muslim extremist. They really mean it when they say that want to kill us.

by: pcnot4me

11-09-2009 @ 2:04pm

"Could some form of PTSD really have compelled him to snap? At least one news network is labeling his motivation as "compassion fatigue." We may never know for sure what ultimately led Major Hasan to do what he did."

Actually we do know. He is a muslim extremist. They really mean it when they say that want to kill us.

by: JoannaCW

11-09-2009 @ 4:13pm

Thank you. Logan. Like you, I'll be praying for clarity and compassion.

by: JoannaCW

11-09-2009 @ 4:13pm

Thank you. Logan. Like you, I'll be praying for clarity and compassion.

by: judithod

11-09-2009 @ 5:15pm

Major Hasan violated much, much more than "many assumptions"; he violated the right to life of 13 innocent people.

by: judithod

11-09-2009 @ 5:15pm

Major Hasan violated much, much more than "many assumptions"; he violated the right to life of 13 innocent people.

by: bodysoul

11-09-2009 @ 6:28pm

Thank you for helping us remember that Major Hasan is just another human being. It is difficult to deal with.

But why do I get to decide that these deaths at Fort Hood are any more heinous than if they'd been "in action" in Afghanistan or Iraq? And why are these deaths are more painful to me than the deaths of 13 citizens of Afghanistan or Iraq? Does God really see these lives & deaths my way & rank their worth through my opinions & prejudices? Or does God weep the same for every death, irregardless of who & why?

It seems to me that putting so much blame on Major Hasan (who is so conveniently "not like me") is just a way for me to soothe my conscience & my fears. Our military is "supposed" to protect me & that's supposed to make me safe. How can I feel safe when this happens? And if I focus enough on Major Hasan, I don't have to take any responsibility for my own apathy & contributions to this messy little game we call war.

by: bodysoul

11-09-2009 @ 6:28pm

Thank you for helping us remember that Major Hasan is just another human being. It is difficult to deal with.

But why do I get to decide that these deaths at Fort Hood are any more heinous than if they'd been "in action" in Afghanistan or Iraq? And why are these deaths are more painful to me than the deaths of 13 citizens of Afghanistan or Iraq? Does God really see these lives & deaths my way & rank their worth through my opinions & prejudices? Or does God weep the same for every death, irregardless of who & why?

It seems to me that putting so much blame on Major Hasan (who is so conveniently "not like me") is just a way for me to soothe my conscience & my fears. Our military is "supposed" to protect me & that's supposed to make me safe. How can I feel safe when this happens? And if I focus enough on Major Hasan, I don't have to take any responsibility for my own apathy & contributions to this messy little game we call war.

by: Joe_Allen_Doty

11-09-2009 @ 11:07pm

When I was stationed with the 196th Light Infantry Brigade and later Americal Division, I was a Clerk-Typist in the Staff Judge Advocate Sections. While I don't remember typing paperwork for or being involved in any capital courts-martial cases, I was a bailiff for 3 manslaughter courts-martial.

In the US Military, even when one is accused of violating one of the laws of the Uniform Code of Military Justice, one is considered guilty until proven innocent.

I am saddened because this happened; but, our military outside of the United States of America, both the States and Territories, is doing absolutely nothing to defend the freedoms of US Citizens living inside USA's states and territories.

by: Joe_Allen_Doty

11-09-2009 @ 11:07pm

When I was stationed with the 196th Light Infantry Brigade and later Americal Division, I was a Clerk-Typist in the Staff Judge Advocate Sections. While I don't remember typing paperwork for or being involved in any capital courts-martial cases, I was a bailiff for 3 manslaughter courts-martial.

In the US Military, even when one is accused of violating one of the laws of the Uniform Code of Military Justice, one is considered guilty until proven innocent.

I am saddened because this happened; but, our military outside of the United States of America, both the States and Territories, is doing absolutely nothing to defend the freedoms of US Citizens living inside USA's states and territories.

by: Joe_Allen_Doty

11-09-2009 @ 11:15pm

The conflict here is that the training and education which Major Hasan got to get him certified as a mental health professional conflicted with his religious beliefs.

There are many Christians who have PhDs in mental health and they are licensed and certified, too. But, some of those believe that it is a sin to be gay and that one is not born exclusively homosexual in his sexual orientation.

Both the Hebrew Scriptures and the "scriptures" which the Muslims use have commands of violence toward infidels. But, there is no such thing in the teachings of the New Testament Scriptures.

by: Joe_Allen_Doty

11-09-2009 @ 11:15pm

The conflict here is that the training and education which Major Hasan got to get him certified as a mental health professional conflicted with his religious beliefs.

There are many Christians who have PhDs in mental health and they are licensed and certified, too. But, some of those believe that it is a sin to be gay and that one is not born exclusively homosexual in his sexual orientation.

Both the Hebrew Scriptures and the "scriptures" which the Muslims use have commands of violence toward infidels. But, there is no such thing in the teachings of the New Testament Scriptures.

by: wintermay

11-10-2009 @ 9:32am

I feel we do not have all the necessary information ever - but we should have more in order to make sense - otherwiese the conclusions are "a shot in the dark".
From the information on media we "can gather" that there was too much strain on a medical professional dealing with the mental disorders of those coming back from the war zones - and showing the effects - the loss of "normal" life inside one' mind - the endless nightmares, the need to find forgiveness for oneself and "the other".
To face the notion of fighting all this (after accepting the "other" as our brother - go and fight him - into Iraq or elsewhere, as your foe).
Those in hierarchy should be aware of the conflicts in one's mind this involves. Either one is trained to forgive -or to hate and go to war - both it is a "snapping" process.
I do not excuse killing - nor the death penalty.

We need understanding the "other", in many shapes.

by: wintermay

11-10-2009 @ 9:32am

I feel we do not have all the necessary information ever - but we should have more in order to make sense - otherwiese the conclusions are "a shot in the dark".
From the information on media we "can gather" that there was too much strain on a medical professional dealing with the mental disorders of those coming back from the war zones - and showing the effects - the loss of "normal" life inside one' mind - the endless nightmares, the need to find forgiveness for oneself and "the other".
To face the notion of fighting all this (after accepting the "other" as our brother - go and fight him - into Iraq or elsewhere, as your foe).
Those in hierarchy should be aware of the conflicts in one's mind this involves. Either one is trained to forgive -or to hate and go to war - both it is a "snapping" process.
I do not excuse killing - nor the death penalty.

We need understanding the "other", in many shapes.

by: Weiwen Ng

11-10-2009 @ 11:05am

Don't refer to others' holy books in scare quotes. And Christians have had enough of a history with violence that you'd think Jesus Himself said to conduct genocide.

by: Weiwen Ng

11-10-2009 @ 11:05am

Don't refer to others' holy books in scare quotes. And Christians have had enough of a history with violence that you'd think Jesus Himself said to conduct genocide.

by: cleric60

11-10-2009 @ 5:45pm

"Do it in the name of heaven, you can justify it in the end" as the folk song so rightly puts it". God of the Universe does not need weak, frail human beings to kill/murder in in His Name. All three major religions, Jewish, Islam, Christian treasure the word "Peace", yet they "war" against one another...why? Are they not using their
religion as a pretense to cover up their lusty need for power, fame, glory, earthly gain, land, and oil?

by: cleric60

11-10-2009 @ 5:45pm

"Do it in the name of heaven, you can justify it in the end" as the folk song so rightly puts it". God of the Universe does not need weak, frail human beings to kill/murder in in His Name. All three major religions, Jewish, Islam, Christian treasure the word "Peace", yet they "war" against one another...why? Are they not using their
religion as a pretense to cover up their lusty need for power, fame, glory, earthly gain, land, and oil?

by: SavannahRose

11-10-2009 @ 6:06pm

Just because he was a mental health professional does not mean he did not have serious mental health issues or serious mental illness himself.

I used to attend an evangelical church with a psychologist on staff, a man with a doctorate degree in psychology from a major big-ten university. Although he did not kill anyone, he destroyed and attempted to destroy people's lives in ways that shocked all of us. He betrayed his patients in some horrific ways. It became clear to us that he was seriously mentally ill.

My point is that even someone that educated in mental health and even someone who purports to be a Christian can do terrible things. It just makes it all the harder to understand.

by: SavannahRose

11-10-2009 @ 6:06pm

Just because he was a mental health professional does not mean he did not have serious mental health issues or serious mental illness himself.

I used to attend an evangelical church with a psychologist on staff, a man with a doctorate degree in psychology from a major big-ten university. Although he did not kill anyone, he destroyed and attempted to destroy people's lives in ways that shocked all of us. He betrayed his patients in some horrific ways. It became clear to us that he was seriously mentally ill.

My point is that even someone that educated in mental health and even someone who purports to be a Christian can do terrible things. It just makes it all the harder to understand.

by: Joe_Allen_Doty

11-11-2009 @ 2:22am

The "Christians" who committed violent acts non-Believers did so AFTER the Byzantine Emperor Constantine decided to turn the churches in his empire into a politically organized religious institution.

None of Jesus' followers committed acts of violence after the Resurrection.

All of the evil done in the name of Christianity had no connection with Jesus and his unconditional love. Jesus never said "Kill you enemies" or "Kill those who don't believe in me."

by: Joe_Allen_Doty

11-11-2009 @ 2:22am

The "Christians" who committed violent acts non-Believers did so AFTER the Byzantine Emperor Constantine decided to turn the churches in his empire into a politically organized religious institution.

None of Jesus' followers committed acts of violence after the Resurrection.

All of the evil done in the name of Christianity had no connection with Jesus and his unconditional love. Jesus never said "Kill you enemies" or "Kill those who don't believe in me."

by: Weiwen Ng

11-11-2009 @ 2:02pm

That's my point exactly - Jesus specifically said to turn the other cheek, but His followers have been so sloppy about following that that you'd think Jesus said the exact opposite. The Crusades are a great example.

The point remains that you are showing profound disrespect to Islam. That doesn't mean you can't have problems with some of its teachings, because I do. However, Islam has had its peaceful periods over the years. Islam has the theological resources to support peace. Christianity does, too. But you are gravely mistaken if you think Christianity to be inherently superior to Islam in that regard - the behavior of Christians through the years has shown otherwise.

by: Weiwen Ng

11-11-2009 @ 2:02pm

That's my point exactly - Jesus specifically said to turn the other cheek, but His followers have been so sloppy about following that that you'd think Jesus said the exact opposite. The Crusades are a great example.

The point remains that you are showing profound disrespect to Islam. That doesn't mean you can't have problems with some of its teachings, because I do. However, Islam has had its peaceful periods over the years. Islam has the theological resources to support peace. Christianity does, too. But you are gravely mistaken if you think Christianity to be inherently superior to Islam in that regard - the behavior of Christians through the years has shown otherwise.

by: donaldjames

11-12-2009 @ 7:15pm

One dimension missing from this article and the following comments seems to be the question of whether Major Hasan's motives were those of "radical Islam". As we know radical Islam threatens America very openly. Very, very troubling to me is that Hasan's anti-American views were well known in advance of this massacre, to colleagues and possibly even to the CIA. When Jesus asked his followers to turn the other cheek, I don't think he had in mind closing our eyes to the threat of terrorism on our own soil. I look forward to a positive response to Senator Lieberman's call for a congressional inquiry.

by: donaldjames

11-12-2009 @ 7:15pm

One dimension missing from this article and the following comments seems to be the question of whether Major Hasan's motives were those of "radical Islam". As we know radical Islam threatens America very openly. Very, very troubling to me is that Hasan's anti-American views were well known in advance of this massacre, to colleagues and possibly even to the CIA. When Jesus asked his followers to turn the other cheek, I don't think he had in mind closing our eyes to the threat of terrorism on our own soil. I look forward to a positive response to Senator Lieberman's call for a congressional inquiry.

by: donaldjames

11-12-2009 @ 9:15pm

One dimension missing from this article and the following comments seems to be the question of whether Major Hasan's motives were those of "radical Islam". As we know radical Islam threatens America very openly. Very, very troubling to me is that Hasan's anti-American views were well known in advance of this massacre, to colleagues and possibly even to the CIA. When Jesus asked his followers to turn the other cheek, I don't think he had in mind closing our eyes to the threat of terrorism on our own soil. I look forward to a positive response to Senator Lieberman's call for a congressional inquiry.

by: donaldjames

11-12-2009 @ 9:15pm

One dimension missing from this article and the following comments seems to be the question of whether Major Hasan's motives were those of "radical Islam". As we know radical Islam threatens America very openly. Very, very troubling to me is that Hasan's anti-American views were well known in advance of this massacre, to colleagues and possibly even to the CIA. When Jesus asked his followers to turn the other cheek, I don't think he had in mind closing our eyes to the threat of terrorism on our own soil. I look forward to a positive response to Senator Lieberman's call for a congressional inquiry.

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