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Obama's Afghanistan Policy and Christian Political Humility

On the eve of the election last November, I wrote a thinly-veiled endorsement of Barack Obama and blasted it out to my friends and family. Now, after President Obama's speech trying to sell the American people on his decision to escalate the war in Afghanistan, there's a verse of scripture that's taken on a profound new significance, "Do not put your trust in princes, nor in a son of man in whom there is no help" (Psalm 146:3).

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By all accounts, it looks like President Obama is about to commit a colossal mistake. For starters, 30,000 troops is a drop in the bucket for what's truly needed for an effective counter-insurgency. The Russians tried to do the same thing we're doing, and it turned out to be the death of their empire. And to top it off, we're sending our men and women to spill their blood in order to prop up a government of war criminals that brutalize women, oppress their people, and use the tax dollars of hard-working Americans to fleece their people and fill their coffers. Is this change we can believe in? No, it's not. At least for me it's not.

Then again, I could be wrong. Let's do a hypothetical and imagine that by a heavy dose of divine intervention combined with an equal dose of strategy and good luck, Obama's plan works. In 18 months, the threat of the Taliban is neutralized, the Karzai government does a 180 and cleans up its act, and the war is responsibly brought to an end. If I were to attach God to my political views and make it the "Christian view" that the escalation is wrong, then what will I have done to the credibility of the Christian message if I turn out to be wrong? Even worse, what if I made that a part of the kingdom gospel that I preach? Come to Jesus and end the war in Afghanistan!

Progressive evangelicals often chide their right-wing counterparts for focusing on a narrow set of issues and claiming that their political solutions are God's solutions. It seems to me, however, that both sides of the political aisle run the danger of pimping God to endorse their political views. It's all too easy to take the big three of the Manhattan Declaration (abortion, gay marriage, and religious liberty) and replace them with the big three of progressive evangelicals' agenda (war, poverty, and the environment). If both sides claim that God sides with their political views or that their issues are the most important, then how are they really that different from each other? If either side takes a position that turns out to be wrong or endorses a candidate that turns out to be disappointing -- as I'm sure that right about now there's a degree of buyers' remorse for religious leaders who endorsed Obama -- then whose credibility is damaged?

Perhaps a better approach for Christians is to preach the gospel, serve humanity with good works, focus on living a kingdom lifestyle within the life of the church, and recognize the ambiguity in all political solutions to earthly problems. I may know that abortion is wrong and never counsel a woman to have an abortion because of my religious beliefs, but that doesn't mean that I'm privy to special knowledge on how to translate that into a political solution that will save the most unborn lives. I may refuse to serve in combat because I believe that killing in war is a violation of Jesus' command to "love your enemies," but that doesn't mean that I have God's perspective on what should be done about Iraq and Afghanistan. If I claim that I do, then the credibility of the gospel that I preach is damaged in the end. If Obama's decision has taught me anything, it's that political humility isn't just an option for Christians; it's a necessity.

portrait-aaron-taylorAaron D. Taylor is the author of Alone with A Jihadist: A Biblical Response to Holy War. To learn more about Aaron's ministry, go to www.aarondtaylor.com. To follow Aaron on Twitter, go to www.twitter.com/aarondtaylor. Aaron can be contacted at fromdeathtolife@gmail.com.

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by: Conrad G. Steinhoff

12-04-2009 @ 8:03pm

My concern reflects Naomi's. "The Gospel" has no meaning unless it informs our understanding of the economic, political, and social environment in which we find ourselves, and our behavior therein. We are agents of the Kingdom of God. We are called to a prophetic ministry based on Jesus' life and teachings. We are compelled to act, yet with humility, always recognizing other Christians, just as committed to the Gospel, see things differently. Yes, I too am disappointed in Obama's Afghanistan plan, but I also recognize in the political climate he has to navigate, his choices are severly circumscribed.

by: ???????????????

01-27-2010 @ 6:32pm

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by: sojournaroo

12-04-2009 @ 8:33pm

To insist Obama bring troops home immediately ignores the fact that he has an obligation to keep us safe from another 9-11. It is not in our interests to see new terrorist training camps springing up in Afghanistan the minute we leave. Obama inherited an 8 year war that was mismanaged from the start. He voted against the Iraq war, he is clearly not a warmonger. The suffering and death this war has produced are clearly very painful for him.

He has taken his time studying the options, consulted many people with military expertise, historical perspective, and regional knowledge. He has consulted regional leaders including India and Pakistan. He would have no reason to extend this war unnecessarily, or to cause additional suffering for anyone. The Bible does not tell us how to prevent terrorist training camps, but God did give us a President who is an exceptionally capable and decent man. He is privey to a great deal larger picture than we are. I trust that he is chosing the best option available. I believe he deserves our trust and our support.

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01-08-2010 @ 11:41am

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01-13-2010 @ 9:56am

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by: Common Loon

12-04-2009 @ 8:47pm

Excellent piece, Aaron. I couldn't agree more.

We must be on the same wavelength because my last 2 blog posts have been on Obama's Afghanistan policy and the Manhattan Declaration.

by: TedVothJr

12-05-2009 @ 2:20am

Totally whacked assumptions.

1st, Afghanistan belongs to the Afghans.

2nd, in the thousands of years of the recorded history of Afghanistan, beginning with Alexander the Great, whom they didn't even let march through their country unresisted, the Afghans have a glorious history of repelling and driving out foreign invaders, most recently the Soviet Empire, before that the British Empire, and many more before that. As long as there's one foreign

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01-13-2010 @ 9:54am

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01-13-2010 @ 9:49am

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01-12-2010 @ 5:51am

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by: Skinfood

01-12-2010 @ 5:51am

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01-12-2010 @ 5:51am

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by: Cayenne Pepper Diet

01-12-2010 @ 1:28am

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by: irish_annie

12-05-2009 @ 4:15am

wow. wonderful article, aaron. never thought i'd see the like on sojo... are you sure you won't step on the toes of some in the new liturgical left? thank God for someone who is trying to stay out of either ditch - left or right. the role of the church is not to prop up the kingdoms of this world but to seek first the kingdom of God/Love and his 'rightness'... namaste.

by: Cayenne Pepper Diet

01-11-2010 @ 3:11pm

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01-11-2010 @ 3:10pm

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by: letjusticerolldown

12-04-2009 @ 10:34pm

Enthusiastically supporting a political candidate because I believe they best represent what I think to be a wise and Godly approach to governance is no more significant (in my thinking) than choosing to drive a Honda instead of a Chrysler (because of finances, functionality, safety, pollution, efficiency). I believe I have a stewardship responsibility for both. I don't believe either is going to usher in the Kingdom.

The error might not have been around the issue about the extent to which Obama's presidency is because of "Thus saith the Lord," but rather around the significance we place on the Presidency, government and politics.

A further issue in his humility line of thought has to do with distinguishing between the goal of policy and the policy itself. There has been grand interest in aligning our faith identities with particular policies and parties; there has been precious little willingness to cross party-lines and identify transcendent policy objectives out of our faith perspective. Sometimes it appears there is such an interest (e.g. pro-life or anti-poverty)--but more often than not the stated transcendent objective is a codeword for a set of policy remedies. This betrays a frequent willingness to co-opt faith identity and language for the sake of advancing particular policy remedies.

I don't think that even qualifies as a lack of humility. That is simply exploitation.

by: Portable Air Conditioner

01-11-2010 @ 3:10pm

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by: Diet

01-11-2010 @ 10:33am

Nicely done, very impressive. Keep up the good work and of course, keep sharing your ideas.

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01-11-2010 @ 10:33am

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01-11-2010 @ 10:33am

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by: Cayenne Pepper Diet

01-10-2010 @ 4:53pm

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by: xfree9

12-05-2009 @ 12:36am

I agree with the sentiment of the article, but when the author writes, "If I were to attach God to my political views and make it the "Christian view" that the escalation is wrong, then what will I have done to the credibility of the Christian message if I turn out to be wrong?" it seems as though pragmatism is prioritized of kingdom ethics. War is not the answer, and there is no justification for it "somehow working" and still being ethical. The ends do not justify the means.

by: Cayenne Pepper Diet

01-10-2010 @ 4:53pm

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01-10-2010 @ 4:52pm

This is a great job! Well done. Thank you sharing your ideas and knowledge.

by: glopo

12-05-2009 @ 10:35am

This is an excellent analysis. I often feel that the articles I read here are too political. But, I still keep coming back, I guess , because I agree with all that you say.

However, I do think we can sometimes get too political. We are to put our faith in God, not in politics. Nevertheless, we must continue to stand up for justice and mercy at all times. It is just so important to put our faith in God.

by: Sport Club Portugu

01-10-2010 @ 11:56am

Nicely done, very impressive. Keep up the good work and of course, keep sharing your ideas.

by: John Mulholland

12-05-2009 @ 10:51am

"This should not be so hard for Americans to get: what did we do to the British in 1776? We rebelled against their occupation of our country and drove them out."

This is historically false. The 13 "states" were colonies of Great Britain. It was not "ours" until "we" declared our independence.

As for the rest of your post, glad to see you received the daily MoveOn.Org fax.

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01-10-2010 @ 11:56am

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by: Sears Parts

01-10-2010 @ 11:56am

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by: TedVothJr

12-05-2009 @ 2:20am

Totally whacked assumptions.

1st, Afghanistan belongs to the Afghans.

2nd, in the thousands of years of the recorded history of Afghanistan, beginning with Alexander the Great, whom they didn't even let march through their country unresisted, the Afghans have a glorious history of repelling and driving out foreign invaders, most recently the Soviet Empire, before that the British Empire, and many more before that. As long as there's one foreign

by: Cayenne Pepper Diet

01-08-2010 @ 4:14pm

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by: Envision

01-08-2010 @ 4:17pm

Nicely done, very impressive. Keep up the good work and of course, keep sharing your ideas.

by: Chris "Jesdisciple"

12-05-2009 @ 3:16pm

"This should not be so hard for Americans to get: what did we do to the British in 1776? We rebelled against their occupation of our country and drove them out."

This is historically false. The 13 "states" were colonies of Great Britain. It was not "ours" until "we" declared our independence.

Actually, there are two ways to take the word "country" that make his statement true. If it's the land itself, that's true to a point because several people owned real estate. If it's the nation, we can invoke self-determination to say that America was a nation deserving of independence before it declared such (which was part of the argument in the Declaration itself).

Mind you, I don't have much of an opinion on Afghanistan. The cause is better than that in Iraq, which seems to be turning out alright. Whether we're fighting for that cause correctly is what I have no authority to comment on.

by: irish_annie

12-05-2009 @ 4:15am

wow. wonderful article, aaron. never thought i'd see the like on sojo... are you sure you won't step on the toes of some in the new liturgical left? thank God for someone who is trying to stay out of either ditch - left or right. the role of the church is not to prop up the kingdoms of this world but to seek first the kingdom of God/Love and his 'rightness'... namaste.

by: glopo

12-05-2009 @ 10:35am

This is an excellent analysis. I often feel that the articles I read here are too political. But, I still keep coming back, I guess , because I agree with all that you say.

However, I do think we can sometimes get too political. We are to put our faith in God, not in politics. Nevertheless, we must continue to stand up for justice and mercy at all times. It is just so important to put our faith in God.

by: John Mulholland

12-05-2009 @ 10:51am

"This should not be so hard for Americans to get: what did we do to the British in 1776? We rebelled against their occupation of our country and drove them out."

This is historically false. The 13 "states" were colonies of Great Britain. It was not "ours" until "we" declared our independence.

As for the rest of your post, glad to see you received the daily MoveOn.Org fax.

by: ???????????????

01-27-2010 @ 8:32pm

thanks for sharing with us.

by: Chris "Jesdisciple"

12-05-2009 @ 3:16pm

"This should not be so hard for Americans to get: what did we do to the British in 1776? We rebelled against their occupation of our country and drove them out."

This is historically false. The 13 "states" were colonies of Great Britain. It was not "ours" until "we" declared our independence.

Actually, there are two ways to take the word "country" that make his statement true. If it's the land itself, that's true to a point because several people owned real estate. If it's the nation, we can invoke self-determination to say that America was a nation deserving of independence before it declared such (which was part of the argument in the Declaration itself).

Mind you, I don't have much of an opinion on Afghanistan. The cause is better than that in Iraq, which seems to be turning out alright. Whether we're fighting for that cause correctly is what I have no authority to comment on.

by: ???????????????

01-27-2010 @ 6:32pm

thanks for sharing with us.

by: Printable Address Labels

01-13-2010 @ 9:56am

Great stuff dude.. I was really impressed.

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01-13-2010 @ 9:54am

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by: 1500 Calorie Diabetic Diet

01-13-2010 @ 9:49am

This is a great job! Well done. Thank you sharing your ideas and knowledge.

by: Lemonade diet

01-12-2010 @ 5:51am

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by: Skinfood

01-12-2010 @ 5:51am

Nicely done, very impressive. Keep up the good work and of course, keep sharing your ideas.

by: Etude

01-12-2010 @ 5:51am

Thank you, it is very good! I like it very much

by: Cayenne Pepper Diet

01-12-2010 @ 1:28am

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by: Cayenne Pepper Diet

01-11-2010 @ 3:11pm

Great stuff dude.. I was really impressed.

by: Apple Cider Vinegar Diet

01-11-2010 @ 3:10pm

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01-11-2010 @ 3:10pm

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by: pcnot4me

12-04-2009 @ 2:53pm

Very well said. Both sides let issues get in the way of the Gospel. And it delights Satan to watch it happen. NOTHING is more important then the Gospel. And all our good works, and ministries, and ideals should flow out of a commitment to give people what they need the most...Jesus.

Thanks for your perspective.

by: pcnot4me

12-04-2009 @ 2:53pm

Very well said. Both sides let issues get in the way of the Gospel. And it delights Satan to watch it happen. NOTHING is more important then the Gospel. And all our good works, and ministries, and ideals should flow out of a commitment to give people what they need the most...Jesus.

Thanks for your perspective.

by: Naomi 'Reynolds' Brodock

12-04-2009 @ 7:27pm

I 100% agree with this perspective. Like in all things, I think Christians need to approach politics with humility, and always in light of the Gospel. And although I supported Obama prior to entering the White House, this political decision seems to me to be the worst in a line of several that I have disagreed with..... it is a hard pill to swallow because I defended him and endorsed Obama for so long. But I am reminded that no party, no politician, no cause or movement can hold my allegiance above the calling of Christ.
While saying I don't disagree, the tone of this article is a little frightening to me. While saying we need to approach politics with humility, and always admit when we were wrong, we need to be careful about talking about only helping individuals. Robbing the political systems of Christians who think critically about their faith and integrate it into their politics would be robbing it of its most valuable asset. We may not always be right, but we must always continue to the cause of protecting the oppressed, seeking justice and incorporating responsibility into our politics. I shudder to what the princes of the world would do if we did not put the check of morals on that power.
I think we become corrupted when instead of desiring the result, (i.e. the end to abortion, environmental sustainability) we desire the power, or we compromise other values to achieve just one goal.

by: Naomi 'Reynolds' Brodock

12-04-2009 @ 7:27pm

I 100% agree with this perspective. Like in all things, I think Christians need to approach politics with humility, and always in light of the Gospel. And although I supported Obama prior to entering the White House, this political decision seems to me to be the worst in a line of several that I have disagreed with..... it is a hard pill to swallow because I defended him and endorsed Obama for so long. But I am reminded that no party, no politician, no cause or movement can hold my allegiance above the calling of Christ.
While saying I don't disagree, the tone of this article is a little frightening to me. While saying we need to approach politics with humility, and always admit when we were wrong, we need to be careful about talking about only helping individuals. Robbing the political systems of Christians who think critically about their faith and integrate it into their politics would be robbing it of its most valuable asset. We may not always be right, but we must always continue to the cause of protecting the oppressed, seeking justice and incorporating responsibility into our politics. I shudder to what the princes of the world would do if we did not put the check of morals on that power.
I think we become corrupted when instead of desiring the result, (i.e. the end to abortion, environmental sustainability) we desire the power, or we compromise other values to achieve just one goal.

by: larrychouinard

12-04-2009 @ 7:37pm

Some good points but the story of escalation through military might is not the Gospel story as embodied in Jesus. We still must be a witness to an alternative way both articulated and lived by the prince of peace. Even if the hypothetical scenario you described happens, the end will never justify the means and ultimately coercion and force will reap the consequences of the seed sown. The letter that many of us signed addressed to the President offered a vision in which many of the "boots on the ground" would emulate the way of the Kingdom and not the way of Empire.

by: larrychouinard

12-04-2009 @ 7:37pm

Some good points but the story of escalation through military might is not the Gospel story as embodied in Jesus. We still must be a witness to an alternative way both articulated and lived by the prince of peace. Even if the hypothetical scenario you described happens, the end will never justify the means and ultimately coercion and force will reap the consequences of the seed sown. The letter that many of us signed addressed to the President offered a vision in which many of the "boots on the ground" would emulate the way of the Kingdom and not the way of Empire.

by: Conrad G. Steinhoff

12-04-2009 @ 8:03pm

My concern reflects Naomi's. "The Gospel" has no meaning unless it informs our understanding of the economic, political, and social environment in which we find ourselves, and our behavior therein. We are agents of the Kingdom of God. We are called to a prophetic ministry based on Jesus' life and teachings. We are compelled to act, yet with humility, always recognizing other Christians, just as committed to the Gospel, see things differently. Yes, I too am disappointed in Obama's Afghanistan plan, but I also recognize in the political climate he has to navigate, his choices are severly circumscribed.

by: Conrad G. Steinhoff

12-04-2009 @ 8:03pm

My concern reflects Naomi's. "The Gospel" has no meaning unless it informs our understanding of the economic, political, and social environment in which we find ourselves, and our behavior therein. We are agents of the Kingdom of God. We are called to a prophetic ministry based on Jesus' life and teachings. We are compelled to act, yet with humility, always recognizing other Christians, just as committed to the Gospel, see things differently. Yes, I too am disappointed in Obama's Afghanistan plan, but I also recognize in the political climate he has to navigate, his choices are severly circumscribed.

by: sojournaroo

12-04-2009 @ 8:33pm

To insist Obama bring troops home immediately ignores the fact that he has an obligation to keep us safe from another 9-11. It is not in our interests to see new terrorist training camps springing up in Afghanistan the minute we leave. Obama inherited an 8 year war that was mismanaged from the start. He voted against the Iraq war, he is clearly not a warmonger. The suffering and death this war has produced are clearly very painful for him.

He has taken his time studying the options, consulted many people with military expertise, historical perspective, and regional knowledge. He has consulted regional leaders including India and Pakistan. He would have no reason to extend this war unnecessarily, or to cause additional suffering for anyone. The Bible does not tell us how to prevent terrorist training camps, but God did give us a President who is an exceptionally capable and decent man. He is privey to a great deal larger picture than we are. I trust that he is chosing the best option available. I believe he deserves our trust and our support.

by: sojournaroo

12-04-2009 @ 8:33pm

To insist Obama bring troops home immediately ignores the fact that he has an obligation to keep us safe from another 9-11. It is not in our interests to see new terrorist training camps springing up in Afghanistan the minute we leave. Obama inherited an 8 year war that was mismanaged from the start. He voted against the Iraq war, he is clearly not a warmonger. The suffering and death this war has produced are clearly very painful for him.

He has taken his time studying the options, consulted many people with military expertise, historical perspective, and regional knowledge. He has consulted regional leaders including India and Pakistan. He would have no reason to extend this war unnecessarily, or to cause additional suffering for anyone. The Bible does not tell us how to prevent terrorist training camps, but God did give us a President who is an exceptionally capable and decent man. He is privey to a great deal larger picture than we are. I trust that he is chosing the best option available. I believe he deserves our trust and our support.

by: Common Loon

12-04-2009 @ 8:47pm

Excellent piece, Aaron. I couldn't agree more.

We must be on the same wavelength because my last 2 blog posts have been on Obama's Afghanistan policy and the Manhattan Declaration.

by: Common Loon

12-04-2009 @ 8:47pm

Excellent piece, Aaron. I couldn't agree more.

We must be on the same wavelength because my last 2 blog posts have been on Obama's Afghanistan policy and the Manhattan Declaration.

by: letjusticerolldown

12-04-2009 @ 10:34pm

Enthusiastically supporting a political candidate because I believe they best represent what I think to be a wise and Godly approach to governance is no more significant (in my thinking) than choosing to drive a Honda instead of a Chrysler (because of finances, functionality, safety, pollution, efficiency). I believe I have a stewardship responsibility for both. I don't believe either is going to usher in the Kingdom.

The error might not have been around the issue about the extent to which Obama's presidency is because of "Thus saith the Lord," but rather around the significance we place on the Presidency, government and politics.

A further issue in his humility line of thought has to do with distinguishing between the goal of policy and the policy itself. There has been grand interest in aligning our faith identities with particular policies and parties; there has been precious little willingness to cross party-lines and identify transcendent policy objectives out of our faith perspective. Sometimes it appears there is such an interest (e.g. pro-life or anti-poverty)--but more often than not the stated transcendent objective is a codeword for a set of policy remedies. This betrays a frequent willingness to co-opt faith identity and language for the sake of advancing particular policy remedies.

I don't think that even qualifies as a lack of humility. That is simply exploitation.

by: letjusticerolldown

12-04-2009 @ 10:34pm

Enthusiastically supporting a political candidate because I believe they best represent what I think to be a wise and Godly approach to governance is no more significant (in my thinking) than choosing to drive a Honda instead of a Chrysler (because of finances, functionality, safety, pollution, efficiency). I believe I have a stewardship responsibility for both. I don't believe either is going to usher in the Kingdom.

The error might not have been around the issue about the extent to which Obama's presidency is because of "Thus saith the Lord," but rather around the significance we place on the Presidency, government and politics.

A further issue in his humility line of thought has to do with distinguishing between the goal of policy and the policy itself. There has been grand interest in aligning our faith identities with particular policies and parties; there has been precious little willingness to cross party-lines and identify transcendent policy objectives out of our faith perspective. Sometimes it appears there is such an interest (e.g. pro-life or anti-poverty)--but more often than not the stated transcendent objective is a codeword for a set of policy remedies. This betrays a frequent willingness to co-opt faith identity and language for the sake of advancing particular policy remedies.

I don't think that even qualifies as a lack of humility. That is simply exploitation.

by: xfree9

12-05-2009 @ 12:36am

I agree with the sentiment of the article, but when the author writes, "If I were to attach God to my political views and make it the "Christian view" that the escalation is wrong, then what will I have done to the credibility of the Christian message if I turn out to be wrong?" it seems as though pragmatism is prioritized of kingdom ethics. War is not the answer, and there is no justification for it "somehow working" and still being ethical. The ends do not justify the means.

by: xfree9

12-05-2009 @ 12:36am

I agree with the sentiment of the article, but when the author writes, "If I were to attach God to my political views and make it the "Christian view" that the escalation is wrong, then what will I have done to the credibility of the Christian message if I turn out to be wrong?" it seems as though pragmatism is prioritized of kingdom ethics. War is not the answer, and there is no justification for it "somehow working" and still being ethical. The ends do not justify the means.

by: TedVothJr

12-05-2009 @ 2:20am

Totally whacked assumptions.

1st, Afghanistan belongs to the Afghans.

2nd, in the thousands of years of the recorded history of Afghanistan, beginning with Alexander the Great, whom they didn't even let march through their country unresisted, the Afghans have a glorious history of repelling and driving out foreign invaders, most recently the Soviet Empire, before that the British Empire, and many more before that. As long as there's one foreign

by: TedVothJr

12-05-2009 @ 2:20am

Totally whacked assumptions.

1st, Afghanistan belongs to the Afghans.

2nd, in the thousands of years of the recorded history of Afghanistan, beginning with Alexander the Great, whom they didn't even let march through their country unresisted, the Afghans have a glorious history of repelling and driving out foreign invaders, most recently the Soviet Empire, before that the British Empire, and many more before that. As long as there's one foreign

by: irish_annie

12-05-2009 @ 4:15am

wow. wonderful article, aaron. never thought i'd see the like on sojo... are you sure you won't step on the toes of some in the new liturgical left? thank God for someone who is trying to stay out of either ditch - left or right. the role of the church is not to prop up the kingdoms of this world but to seek first the kingdom of God/Love and his 'rightness'... namaste.

by: irish_annie

12-05-2009 @ 4:15am

wow. wonderful article, aaron. never thought i'd see the like on sojo... are you sure you won't step on the toes of some in the new liturgical left? thank God for someone who is trying to stay out of either ditch - left or right. the role of the church is not to prop up the kingdoms of this world but to seek first the kingdom of God/Love and his 'rightness'... namaste.

by: glopo

12-05-2009 @ 10:35am

This is an excellent analysis. I often feel that the articles I read here are too political. But, I still keep coming back, I guess , because I agree with all that you say.

However, I do think we can sometimes get too political. We are to put our faith in God, not in politics. Nevertheless, we must continue to stand up for justice and mercy at all times. It is just so important to put our faith in God.

by: glopo

12-05-2009 @ 10:35am

This is an excellent analysis. I often feel that the articles I read here are too political. But, I still keep coming back, I guess , because I agree with all that you say.

However, I do think we can sometimes get too political. We are to put our faith in God, not in politics. Nevertheless, we must continue to stand up for justice and mercy at all times. It is just so important to put our faith in God.

by: John Mulholland

12-05-2009 @ 10:51am

"This should not be so hard for Americans to get: what did we do to the British in 1776? We rebelled against their occupation of our country and drove them out."

This is historically false. The 13 "states" were colonies of Great Britain. It was not "ours" until "we" declared our independence.

As for the rest of your post, glad to see you received the daily MoveOn.Org fax.

by: John Mulholland

12-05-2009 @ 10:51am

"This should not be so hard for Americans to get: what did we do to the British in 1776? We rebelled against their occupation of our country and drove them out."

This is historically false. The 13 "states" were colonies of Great Britain. It was not "ours" until "we" declared our independence.

As for the rest of your post, glad to see you received the daily MoveOn.Org fax.

by: Chris "Jesdisciple"

12-05-2009 @ 3:16pm

"This should not be so hard for Americans to get: what did we do to the British in 1776? We rebelled against their occupation of our country and drove them out."

This is historically false. The 13 "states" were colonies of Great Britain. It was not "ours" until "we" declared our independence.

Actually, there are two ways to take the word "country" that make his statement true. If it's the land itself, that's true to a point because several people owned real estate. If it's the nation, we can invoke self-determination to say that America was a nation deserving of independence before it declared such (which was part of the argument in the Declaration itself).

Mind you, I don't have much of an opinion on Afghanistan. The cause is better than that in Iraq, which seems to be turning out alright. Whether we're fighting for that cause correctly is what I have no authority to comment on.

by: Chris "Jesdisciple"

12-05-2009 @ 3:16pm

"This should not be so hard for Americans to get: what did we do to the British in 1776? We rebelled against their occupation of our country and drove them out."

This is historically false. The 13 "states" were colonies of Great Britain. It was not "ours" until "we" declared our independence.

Actually, there are two ways to take the word "country" that make his statement true. If it's the land itself, that's true to a point because several people owned real estate. If it's the nation, we can invoke self-determination to say that America was a nation deserving of independence before it declared such (which was part of the argument in the Declaration itself).

Mind you, I don't have much of an opinion on Afghanistan. The cause is better than that in Iraq, which seems to be turning out alright. Whether we're fighting for that cause correctly is what I have no authority to comment on.

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