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How I Responded to Public Racial Mockery

A while back, I was in a situation where I was mocked publicly in front of 300-plus young leaders. There were racial overtones.

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I was prepared to leave the matter for private discussion and reconciliation. But then the mocking turned against the African-American and Latino teens who were pictured with me on a slide show that was being watched by our entire assembled group. I looked around the room. The ethnic minority leaders in the room were staring at me as this spectacle unfolded. I sensed shock and fear on their faces, shock at what was happening and fear of speaking up about it. The mocking continued. I thought about the young people back at the urban ministry I ran -- what would they think or feel at that moment?

I thought of my own son. If I just receive the mocking and say nothing, I thought, I'll be sending a message that my son should accept similar treatment and not speak up.

So I decided to do something.

As I deliberated about what to do, I thought again about my son. I wanted to set an example of love and concern for all. It would not set a Christ-like example, I felt, if I just stood up for justice but was unloving to the perpetrators.

The mocking incident occurred in the morning. I was the scheduled speaker that night. I spent the entire day in discussion with key leaders, asking, "Am I crazy or overly-sensitive?" and "If I'm not crazy or overly-sensitive, what should be done?" I talked to many people. It was draining. Those discussions included a talk with the main mocker. Through all this, I felt it would be important to make a public response. The offense had occurred in public, so an appropriate response should also be in public. The event leaders agreed with me that a public response should be made in front of the 300-plus.

Before I went on stage, I prayed that I wouldn't do to others as had been done to me.

I brought it up at the start of my talk. I framed my response as a moment when Christian leaders could model to younger leaders how the body of Christ works out a conflict. It wasn't just important for the young leaders to hear an apology from the offending party, I told them. It was also important for these young leaders to see how I, who had been offended, handled the apology. Was I loving? Was I forgiving? Could we walk forward together?

"You will be the judge of those things," I told the 300-plus. "I have to answer to many for my response in this moment."

An unequivocal apology was made. I forgave the offense and expressed a desire for future friendship.

Afterward a number of the 300-plus came to me. They were surprised that the entire leadership team at the event -- myself and the hosts -- had dealt openly with something so potentially explosive. They appreciated the spirit of reconciliation and mercy that they sensed. Some confessed the times when they did not deal openly when they should have. Some who approached were heavy with a spirit of regret. One 19-year-old, with tears in her eyes, was shaking with shame that she didn't speak up on my behalf during the mocking that morning.

I share all this to share two things with Prof. Soong-Chan Rah in the aftermath of the Deadly Viper conversation. First, I don't think you were crazy or overly-sensitive. Second, you were not alone in struggling with the very public aspect of this conflict. You have acknowledged, and many in blog-comment-land agree, that there is an unsettling edge to the fact that this conflict was worked out in such a public and rapid-fire way. I don't know if I would have started things the way you did, but that's why I shared my own complicated story above. I would like you to know that I stand with you as you emulate Christ in finding justice for all in this matter.

My heart went out to Deadly Viper authors Mike Foster and Jud Wilhite. I resonated with Ed Gilbreath's characterization of the widespread online response to this issue as "shock and awe." Perhaps I'm just projecting, but if I were either Mike or Jud I would have been reeling. I wish every blessing on their continued ministry to thousands.

I don't know where this last part fits, but I must say that I've been mesmerized by the plurality of Asian-American voices that are wafting throughout the blogosphere on this matter. Maybe it's me and the hole I've been hiding in, but I've never seen anything like it. Very well-known people, emerging leaders, and voices that didn't know they were voices -- it's been great to hear you. Let's walk together in seeking justice while loving mercy.

portrait-rodolfo-carrascoRodolfo Carrasco has served in urban ministry for 19 years and blogs at urbanonramps.com.

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by: jonathanhakim

12-16-2009 @ 4:44pm

squeaky makes a very good point. It's interesting to think about why the humor/hurtful line in roasting should even be approached, or what place it exactly has in a Christ-centered culture. I'm not predetermining that it has no place, but it is certainly something to think carefully about.

by: letjusticerolldown

12-11-2009 @ 1:17am

Well, I wasn't there. But might it occur to you (and anyone else) that making something a 'roast' does not legitimate hurtful speech. And please if you have family and your spouse, child, parent, or sibling tell you your words have hurt--do not seek to instruct them on their level of sensitivity. And then consider applying the standard to your Christian brothers and sisters. Paul's instructions regarding refraining from the consumption of meat offered to idols is not an instruction to tell the brothers and sisters to stop being overly-sensitve; but an obligation as to our doing things which hurt/offend/trip-up those we share this journey with.

Further, it seems Rudy's point had to do with how the leadership handled the situation. If I am to accept your account--the leadership went through a charade for Rudy's sake. Do you feel there was a reconciliation? Do you think it was handled? Or is there now need to come back and tell him he was in the wrong and the situation needs to be resolved anew???

by: jonathanhakim

12-16-2009 @ 6:44pm

squeaky makes a very good point. It's interesting to think about why the humor/hurtful line in roasting should even be approached, or what place it exactly has in a Christ-centered culture. I'm not predetermining that it has no place, but it is certainly something to think carefully about.

by: vinzclortho

12-11-2009 @ 3:54am

Justice, you're right that I shouldn't hold others to my standards of sensitivity. Good point.
I don't doubt that Mr. Carrasco was offended by the roasting he received. His hurt is legitimate, but it is important to correctly identify the source of that hurt. Words matter. To claim that "racial mocking" occurred is untrue. To say that the roasting contained "racial overtones" is a stretch. The racial component was never mentioned during the handling of this issue

by: squeaky

12-11-2009 @ 4:11am

Hard to judge what Rudy found racially sensitive since no specifics have been given, but it would seem it does depend on the person, and Letjustice makes good points.

In any case--the last sentence seems like a good policy. Roasts are, at least the ones I've seen, typically very close to crossing the line between humor and hurtful. Sometimes I wonder how the person being roasted actually feels about the insults passed off at humor at their expense.

by: vinzclortho

12-10-2009 @ 10:23pm

Mr. Carrasco, I appreciate your desire to stand up for justice and to seek public reconciliation for what was obviously a very deep personal offense. But "public racial mockery" is extremely loaded rhetoric and does not fairly portray what happened at this event. I was one of the 300-plus young leaders in attendance that weekend and it was clear that you did not know what you had gotten yourself into.
The event at which you spoke has a long history of good-naturedly "roasting" the speaker during mealtimes, and this is what you took a little too personally. Surely you must believe that the brothers and sisters in Christ who were leading this gathering had nothing but respect for you and good intentions during the "roast." I don't doubt that your feelings were hurt, but let's be honest: there was no ridicule, no derision, and certainly no racial mocking. EVERY SINGLE PERSON I spoke with following this bizzare weekend (white, African-American, and Latino) was in agreement that you may not have been crazy, but you certainly were overly-sensitive.

by: jonathanhakim

12-16-2009 @ 4:44pm

squeaky makes a very good point. It's interesting to think about why the humor/hurtful line in roasting should even be approached, or what place it exactly has in a Christ-centered culture. I'm not predetermining that it has no place, but it is certainly something to think carefully about.

by: letjusticerolldown

12-11-2009 @ 1:17am

Well, I wasn't there. But might it occur to you (and anyone else) that making something a 'roast' does not legitimate hurtful speech. And please if you have family and your spouse, child, parent, or sibling tell you your words have hurt--do not seek to instruct them on their level of sensitivity. And then consider applying the standard to your Christian brothers and sisters. Paul's instructions regarding refraining from the consumption of meat offered to idols is not an instruction to tell the brothers and sisters to stop being overly-sensitve; but an obligation as to our doing things which hurt/offend/trip-up those we share this journey with.

Further, it seems Rudy's point had to do with how the leadership handled the situation. If I am to accept your account--the leadership went through a charade for Rudy's sake. Do you feel there was a reconciliation? Do you think it was handled? Or is there now need to come back and tell him he was in the wrong and the situation needs to be resolved anew???

by: vinzclortho

12-11-2009 @ 3:54am

Justice, you're right that I shouldn't hold others to my standards of sensitivity. Good point.
I don't doubt that Mr. Carrasco was offended by the roasting he received. His hurt is legitimate, but it is important to correctly identify the source of that hurt. Words matter. To claim that "racial mocking" occurred is untrue. To say that the roasting contained "racial overtones" is a stretch. The racial component was never mentioned during the handling of this issue

by: squeaky

12-11-2009 @ 4:11am

Hard to judge what Rudy found racially sensitive since no specifics have been given, but it would seem it does depend on the person, and Letjustice makes good points.

In any case--the last sentence seems like a good policy. Roasts are, at least the ones I've seen, typically very close to crossing the line between humor and hurtful. Sometimes I wonder how the person being roasted actually feels about the insults passed off at humor at their expense.

by: uberVU - social comments

12-11-2009 @ 5:13pm

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This post was mentioned on Twitter by igneousquill: How I Responded to Public Racial Mockery - http://blog.sojo.net/2009/12/10/how-i-responded-to-public-racial-mockery/...

by: jonathanhakim

12-16-2009 @ 6:44pm

squeaky makes a very good point. It's interesting to think about why the humor/hurtful line in roasting should even be approached, or what place it exactly has in a Christ-centered culture. I'm not predetermining that it has no place, but it is certainly something to think carefully about.

by: MattyK

12-10-2009 @ 1:42pm

I'm wondering if you could detail the situation you experienced a little more. This is all very vague.

by: letjusticerolldown

12-10-2009 @ 5:48pm

Thanks for sharing a slice of this day's journey.

As the decades of my life begin to mount I am so pleased at much change that has taken place in the church and outside the church. I am ashamed by the extent it often feels like generations just keep doing their sins until their graves--and curse the next with a new and revised version of the same old stuff.

I think we need see this journey as both having some particular 'end-points' that we really need to strive towards. Such end-points ought motivate us to engage--to work out our salvation together--knowing it is God's work--not just our own.

And I think we need see the journey as a cycle. We journey through this world. Our human experience is not a whole lot different than Abraham, Amos, Paul, or Wilberforce. It is not a failure that we have to grow food again this year against all the odds of bad weather, drought, pests, tares, etc. It's about being faithful in the journey--letting God accomplish His work in us and through us.

Thank you for allowing your life to enrich me.

by: MattyK

12-10-2009 @ 1:42pm

I'm wondering if you could detail the situation you experienced a little more. This is all very vague.

by: letjusticerolldown

12-10-2009 @ 5:48pm

Thanks for sharing a slice of this day's journey.

As the decades of my life begin to mount I am so pleased at much change that has taken place in the church and outside the church. I am ashamed by the extent it often feels like generations just keep doing their sins until their graves--and curse the next with a new and revised version of the same old stuff.

I think we need see this journey as both having some particular 'end-points' that we really need to strive towards. Such end-points ought motivate us to engage--to work out our salvation together--knowing it is God's work--not just our own.

And I think we need see the journey as a cycle. We journey through this world. Our human experience is not a whole lot different than Abraham, Amos, Paul, or Wilberforce. It is not a failure that we have to grow food again this year against all the odds of bad weather, drought, pests, tares, etc. It's about being faithful in the journey--letting God accomplish His work in us and through us.

Thank you for allowing your life to enrich me.

by: vinzclortho

12-10-2009 @ 10:23pm

Mr. Carrasco, I appreciate your desire to stand up for justice and to seek public reconciliation for what was obviously a very deep personal offense. But "public racial mockery" is extremely loaded rhetoric and does not fairly portray what happened at this event. I was one of the 300-plus young leaders in attendance that weekend and it was clear that you did not know what you had gotten yourself into.
The event at which you spoke has a long history of good-naturedly "roasting" the speaker during mealtimes, and this is what you took a little too personally. Surely you must believe that the brothers and sisters in Christ who were leading this gathering had nothing but respect for you and good intentions during the "roast." I don't doubt that your feelings were hurt, but let's be honest: there was no ridicule, no derision, and certainly no racial mocking. EVERY SINGLE PERSON I spoke with following this bizzare weekend (white, African-American, and Latino) was in agreement that you may not have been crazy, but you certainly were overly-sensitive.

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by: MattyK

12-10-2009 @ 1:42pm

I'm wondering if you could detail the situation you experienced a little more. This is all very vague.

by: MattyK

12-10-2009 @ 1:42pm

I'm wondering if you could detail the situation you experienced a little more. This is all very vague.

by: letjusticerolldown

12-10-2009 @ 5:48pm

Thanks for sharing a slice of this day's journey.

As the decades of my life begin to mount I am so pleased at much change that has taken place in the church and outside the church. I am ashamed by the extent it often feels like generations just keep doing their sins until their graves--and curse the next with a new and revised version of the same old stuff.

I think we need see this journey as both having some particular 'end-points' that we really need to strive towards. Such end-points ought motivate us to engage--to work out our salvation together--knowing it is God's work--not just our own.

And I think we need see the journey as a cycle. We journey through this world. Our human experience is not a whole lot different than Abraham, Amos, Paul, or Wilberforce. It is not a failure that we have to grow food again this year against all the odds of bad weather, drought, pests, tares, etc. It's about being faithful in the journey--letting God accomplish His work in us and through us.

Thank you for allowing your life to enrich me.

by: letjusticerolldown

12-10-2009 @ 5:48pm

Thanks for sharing a slice of this day's journey.

As the decades of my life begin to mount I am so pleased at much change that has taken place in the church and outside the church. I am ashamed by the extent it often feels like generations just keep doing their sins until their graves--and curse the next with a new and revised version of the same old stuff.

I think we need see this journey as both having some particular 'end-points' that we really need to strive towards. Such end-points ought motivate us to engage--to work out our salvation together--knowing it is God's work--not just our own.

And I think we need see the journey as a cycle. We journey through this world. Our human experience is not a whole lot different than Abraham, Amos, Paul, or Wilberforce. It is not a failure that we have to grow food again this year against all the odds of bad weather, drought, pests, tares, etc. It's about being faithful in the journey--letting God accomplish His work in us and through us.

Thank you for allowing your life to enrich me.

by: vinzclortho

12-10-2009 @ 10:23pm

Mr. Carrasco, I appreciate your desire to stand up for justice and to seek public reconciliation for what was obviously a very deep personal offense. But "public racial mockery" is extremely loaded rhetoric and does not fairly portray what happened at this event. I was one of the 300-plus young leaders in attendance that weekend and it was clear that you did not know what you had gotten yourself into.
The event at which you spoke has a long history of good-naturedly "roasting" the speaker during mealtimes, and this is what you took a little too personally. Surely you must believe that the brothers and sisters in Christ who were leading this gathering had nothing but respect for you and good intentions during the "roast." I don't doubt that your feelings were hurt, but let's be honest: there was no ridicule, no derision, and certainly no racial mocking. EVERY SINGLE PERSON I spoke with following this bizzare weekend (white, African-American, and Latino) was in agreement that you may not have been crazy, but you certainly were overly-sensitive.

by: vinzclortho

12-10-2009 @ 10:23pm

Mr. Carrasco, I appreciate your desire to stand up for justice and to seek public reconciliation for what was obviously a very deep personal offense. But "public racial mockery" is extremely loaded rhetoric and does not fairly portray what happened at this event. I was one of the 300-plus young leaders in attendance that weekend and it was clear that you did not know what you had gotten yourself into.
The event at which you spoke has a long history of good-naturedly "roasting" the speaker during mealtimes, and this is what you took a little too personally. Surely you must believe that the brothers and sisters in Christ who were leading this gathering had nothing but respect for you and good intentions during the "roast." I don't doubt that your feelings were hurt, but let's be honest: there was no ridicule, no derision, and certainly no racial mocking. EVERY SINGLE PERSON I spoke with following this bizzare weekend (white, African-American, and Latino) was in agreement that you may not have been crazy, but you certainly were overly-sensitive.

by: letjusticerolldown

12-11-2009 @ 1:17am

Well, I wasn't there. But might it occur to you (and anyone else) that making something a 'roast' does not legitimate hurtful speech. And please if you have family and your spouse, child, parent, or sibling tell you your words have hurt--do not seek to instruct them on their level of sensitivity. And then consider applying the standard to your Christian brothers and sisters. Paul's instructions regarding refraining from the consumption of meat offered to idols is not an instruction to tell the brothers and sisters to stop being overly-sensitve; but an obligation as to our doing things which hurt/offend/trip-up those we share this journey with.

Further, it seems Rudy's point had to do with how the leadership handled the situation. If I am to accept your account--the leadership went through a charade for Rudy's sake. Do you feel there was a reconciliation? Do you think it was handled? Or is there now need to come back and tell him he was in the wrong and the situation needs to be resolved anew???

by: letjusticerolldown

12-11-2009 @ 1:17am

Well, I wasn't there. But might it occur to you (and anyone else) that making something a 'roast' does not legitimate hurtful speech. And please if you have family and your spouse, child, parent, or sibling tell you your words have hurt--do not seek to instruct them on their level of sensitivity. And then consider applying the standard to your Christian brothers and sisters. Paul's instructions regarding refraining from the consumption of meat offered to idols is not an instruction to tell the brothers and sisters to stop being overly-sensitve; but an obligation as to our doing things which hurt/offend/trip-up those we share this journey with.

Further, it seems Rudy's point had to do with how the leadership handled the situation. If I am to accept your account--the leadership went through a charade for Rudy's sake. Do you feel there was a reconciliation? Do you think it was handled? Or is there now need to come back and tell him he was in the wrong and the situation needs to be resolved anew???

by: vinzclortho

12-11-2009 @ 3:54am

Justice, you're right that I shouldn't hold others to my standards of sensitivity. Good point.
I don't doubt that Mr. Carrasco was offended by the roasting he received. His hurt is legitimate, but it is important to correctly identify the source of that hurt. Words matter. To claim that "racial mocking" occurred is untrue. To say that the roasting contained "racial overtones" is a stretch. The racial component was never mentioned during the handling of this issue

by: vinzclortho

12-11-2009 @ 3:54am

Justice, you're right that I shouldn't hold others to my standards of sensitivity. Good point.
I don't doubt that Mr. Carrasco was offended by the roasting he received. His hurt is legitimate, but it is important to correctly identify the source of that hurt. Words matter. To claim that "racial mocking" occurred is untrue. To say that the roasting contained "racial overtones" is a stretch. The racial component was never mentioned during the handling of this issue

by: squeaky

12-11-2009 @ 4:11am

Hard to judge what Rudy found racially sensitive since no specifics have been given, but it would seem it does depend on the person, and Letjustice makes good points.

In any case--the last sentence seems like a good policy. Roasts are, at least the ones I've seen, typically very close to crossing the line between humor and hurtful. Sometimes I wonder how the person being roasted actually feels about the insults passed off at humor at their expense.

by: squeaky

12-11-2009 @ 4:11am

Hard to judge what Rudy found racially sensitive since no specifics have been given, but it would seem it does depend on the person, and Letjustice makes good points.

In any case--the last sentence seems like a good policy. Roasts are, at least the ones I've seen, typically very close to crossing the line between humor and hurtful. Sometimes I wonder how the person being roasted actually feels about the insults passed off at humor at their expense.

by: uberVU - social comments

12-11-2009 @ 5:13pm

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This post was mentioned on Twitter by igneousquill: How I Responded to Public Racial Mockery - http://blog.sojo.net/2009/12/10/how-i-responded-to-public-racial-mockery/...

by: jonathanhakim

12-16-2009 @ 4:44pm

squeaky makes a very good point. It's interesting to think about why the humor/hurtful line in roasting should even be approached, or what place it exactly has in a Christ-centered culture. I'm not predetermining that it has no place, but it is certainly something to think carefully about.

by: jonathanhakim

12-16-2009 @ 4:44pm

squeaky makes a very good point. It's interesting to think about why the humor/hurtful line in roasting should even be approached, or what place it exactly has in a Christ-centered culture. I'm not predetermining that it has no place, but it is certainly something to think carefully about.

by: jonathanhakim

12-16-2009 @ 6:44pm

squeaky makes a very good point. It's interesting to think about why the humor/hurtful line in roasting should even be approached, or what place it exactly has in a Christ-centered culture. I'm not predetermining that it has no place, but it is certainly something to think carefully about.

by: jonathanhakim

12-16-2009 @ 6:44pm

squeaky makes a very good point. It's interesting to think about why the humor/hurtful line in roasting should even be approached, or what place it exactly has in a Christ-centered culture. I'm not predetermining that it has no place, but it is certainly something to think carefully about.