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This month I watched as folks in Washington D.C. celebrated the dip in our national unemployment rate to 10%. At the same time it was reported that the unemployment rate for African Americans in our country was twice that of the national average. Reading both statistics made me cringe, knowing that the unemployment rate in my neighborhood in Minneapolis was twice that 10% number BEFORE the economic downturn and foreclosure crisis. And the real unemployment rate for African Americans today (and my neighbors back then) is probably much higher since reported unemployment percentages only reflect those that are still looking for work -- not those who have all but given up and dropped out of the job market completely.

At a time when everyone in America is hurting, communities of color are hurting even more.

At a White House press conference last spring, President Obama fielded a question about rising Black unemployment by saying, "A rising tide lifts all boats," meaning as he addresses unemployment overall, Black unemployment will also be addressed.

Does a rising tide really lift all boats? I don't think so.

America has a history of putting into place universal programs with the expectation that everyone will benefit. As the experience of the New Deal initiatives during the Great Depression illustrate, even universal policies, if not well designed, can exacerbate rather than ameliorate racial conditions.

There is a great opportunity for us today as a country to heal not only the wounds of this most recent economic crisis, but also to heal the wounds of decades of racial disparities and injustice.

If we look at some of the most popular universal programs coming out of the New Deal and World War II, it is plain to see that these programs by and large benefited whites disproportionately. While the programs may have still benefited non-whites, they often exacerbated the disparities between whites and non-whites. Today, the opportunity exists to build healthy communities where everyone benefits, especially low-income communities of color. But to do so will take a more targeted approach than we have adopted in the past.

In the same way that the post-New Deal and post-WWII policies laid the groundwork for future generations, today we are presented with the opportunity to lay the groundwork for a better future for our next generations.

In order to do this effectively we must take the time to understand how many low-income communities of color are situated differently than other American communities. Then we must put in place more targeted approaches that pay particular attention to the unique situation of these often excluded communities.

This is not just about equality. This is about equity.

The pursuit of equity today is different from the pursuit of equality. While civil rights legislation established equality in principle many practical barriers remain to achieving economic and social parity. You can't just have the right to sit in a bus. Today, you need a bus that is frequent, connects you to employment, and provides a platform for economic, social, and physical mobility. -- Angela Glover Blackwell, Policy Link CEO

In this moment, we can work toward building a more equitable future, or find ourselves repeating the mistakes of our past. And to succeed in this will take more than just good policies and programs; it will require a collective willingness, determination, and commitment for the type of change that benefits all in our society, not just some.

portrait-neeraj-mehtaNeeraj Mehta has been working with others to uncover beauty and strength in North Minneapolis for the past 10 years. Previously he worked for Project for Pride in Living and most recently as program and strategic development director for the Sanctuary Community Development Corporation. Currently, he is working with the community-building intermediary Nexus Community Partners, partnering with others to create more engaged and powerful communities in the Twin Cities.

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by: Ngchen

12-15-2009 @ 3:14pm

Who is seriously proposing reparations, other than an extreme fringe? I've heard the argument made that yes, were we living around 1865 or so, reparations (for the unpaid labor and abuse) to those who were themselves slaves would have been proper. However, the fact today is that (1) all said slaves have since passed away, and that (2) said slaveowners have also passed away. Any reparation scheme would involve the descendants of slaveowners paying the descendants of slaves, for the fact that they just so happened to be said descendants, which was totally out of their personal control.

by: bill pence

12-15-2009 @ 2:45pm

yeah it's so easy for comments to be misconstrued on forums without the intonation that speech allows... i'm here mostly to see why intelligent people with different opinions from my own think what they do..

by: NC77

12-15-2009 @ 2:13pm

Here you go Ngchen. The website for National Black Chamber of Commerce.

http://www.nationalbcc.org/

You can see the interviews there and there is a load of other statistical data on how blacks have been left out of stimulus fund driven jobs and other stuff.

by: prk

12-14-2009 @ 3:41pm

"celebrated the dip in our national unemployment rate to 10%. At the same time it was reported that the unemployment rate for African Americans in our country was twice that of the national average. "

Just remember the black unemployment rate was the same as the white until a minimum wage law was passed, there by deparving blacks their rights to undercut their white counter parts in the labor market.

Thank you progressives.

by: LadyJess78

12-14-2009 @ 4:35pm

I'm not sure, but I think you just said that things were better when the wage a person earned was more determined by the color of their skin than by their qualifications. Were things also better when widows died of starvation because they weren't allowed to work? Or when kids were sent into mines to see if they were safe for "real" people? Oh, those cursed progressives!

by: Ngchen

12-14-2009 @ 4:57pm

Devils's advocate question: So how precisely can we target minority groups for additional help, without becoming racist ourselves, a la engaging in reverse discrimination?

by: facebook-2240148

12-14-2009 @ 5:51pm

To answer the above question, targeting specific racial minorities does not make a person racist. I believe it is possible for one group to prosper without another group being disadvantaged (this is why the "reverse racism" charge against affirmative action doesn't work for me).

I think President Obama is being pretty spineless about this issue. He's afraid that if he talks too much about helping Blacks, Latinos, Arabs, etc. out of poverty, he'll be accused of being racist against Whites. This is a symptom of how elementary the understanding of race is among most people in this country. I think we're afraid to talk about race. People would sooner attack the person bringing the topic up than they would seriously think about the issue. It's pretty sad to me.

by: nuclearferret

12-14-2009 @ 8:41pm

The thing about a proposal of reparations is that when the bill is paid, the race-baiters lose the ability to milk the past for a flow of money to support their lifestyles and "organizations."

by: prk

12-14-2009 @ 3:41pm

"celebrated the dip in our national unemployment rate to 10%. At the same time it was reported that the unemployment rate for African Americans in our country was twice that of the national average. "

Just remember the black unemployment rate was the same as the white until a minimum wage law was passed, there by deparving blacks their rights to undercut their white counter parts in the labor market.

Thank you progressives.

by: LadyJess78

12-14-2009 @ 4:35pm

I'm not sure, but I think you just said that things were better when the wage a person earned was more determined by the color of their skin than by their qualifications. Were things also better when widows died of starvation because they weren't allowed to work? Or when kids were sent into mines to see if they were safe for "real" people? Oh, those cursed progressives!

by: Ngchen

12-14-2009 @ 4:57pm

Devils's advocate question: So how precisely can we target minority groups for additional help, without becoming racist ourselves, a la engaging in reverse discrimination?

by: NC77

12-14-2009 @ 10:02pm

One way would be to either oppose unions and eliminate them or require that they operate under the same affirmative action and quota system that non-unionized jobs are required to observe.

I was listening to an interview of the president of the black U.S. Chamber of Commerce and he said unions were racist and gender biased. They like to keep out blacks and women. I do not know if this is really true of unions or not, but I figure if he said it, it must have some validity.

He also said that when big contract union jobs within highly black populated areas happen, the unions ship in many whites, hispanics, and asians from the outlying areas so that blacks are kept out. He said the ratio was significant, like in areas that are 55% black, they only get maybe 5 to 7 % of those unioin jobs. Again I have not verified this if it is fact or not, but that is what he said. That won't solve the whole problem, but it is a start.

by: Ngchen

12-14-2009 @ 10:13pm

These are interesting and troubling allegations. In the spirit of truth, I would like to see actual evidence, since after all the person making the claim is from the Chamber of Commerce. (Nothing wrong with it, except that it would have an inherent anti-union bent.) A standard political "dirty trick" is to take two opponents, and using disinformation, get the opponents to fight each other. It's certainly possible that the person speaks the truth; however, I would like to see evidence.

BTW, I didn't know there was a specific Black chamber of commerce. Is said group mainstream, or fringe?

by: facebook-2240148

12-14-2009 @ 5:51pm

To answer the above question, targeting specific racial minorities does not make a person racist. I believe it is possible for one group to prosper without another group being disadvantaged (this is why the "reverse racism" charge against affirmative action doesn't work for me).

I think President Obama is being pretty spineless about this issue. He's afraid that if he talks too much about helping Blacks, Latinos, Arabs, etc. out of poverty, he'll be accused of being racist against Whites. This is a symptom of how elementary the understanding of race is among most people in this country. I think we're afraid to talk about race. People would sooner attack the person bringing the topic up than they would seriously think about the issue. It's pretty sad to me.

by: Ngchen

12-15-2009 @ 3:14pm

Who is seriously proposing reparations, other than an extreme fringe? I've heard the argument made that yes, were we living around 1865 or so, reparations (for the unpaid labor and abuse) to those who were themselves slaves would have been proper. However, the fact today is that (1) all said slaves have since passed away, and that (2) said slaveowners have also passed away. Any reparation scheme would involve the descendants of slaveowners paying the descendants of slaves, for the fact that they just so happened to be said descendants, which was totally out of their personal control.

by: bill pence

12-15-2009 @ 2:45pm

yeah it's so easy for comments to be misconstrued on forums without the intonation that speech allows... i'm here mostly to see why intelligent people with different opinions from my own think what they do..

by: NC77

12-15-2009 @ 2:13pm

Here you go Ngchen. The website for National Black Chamber of Commerce.

http://www.nationalbcc.org/

You can see the interviews there and there is a load of other statistical data on how blacks have been left out of stimulus fund driven jobs and other stuff.

by: nuclearferret

12-14-2009 @ 8:41pm

The thing about a proposal of reparations is that when the bill is paid, the race-baiters lose the ability to milk the past for a flow of money to support their lifestyles and "organizations."

by: bill_pence

12-14-2009 @ 11:35pm

that was a good question.. still thinking about this one.

by: bill_pence

12-14-2009 @ 11:40pm

this is a very interesting aspect to understanding this issue. i'm not certain this would have occurred to me without significant political background. the black chamber of commerce comment seems a little snide at first but i'm guessing you use alot of sarcastic humor, which is hard to convey through words sometimes.

by: bill_pence

12-14-2009 @ 11:42pm

could you expound upon this concept a little further, ie exactly what are you advocating? i had to admit i had never thought of the minimal wage as having negative implications before.

by: NC77

12-14-2009 @ 10:02pm

One way would be to either oppose unions and eliminate them or require that they operate under the same affirmative action and quota system that non-unionized jobs are required to observe.

I was listening to an interview of the president of the black U.S. Chamber of Commerce and he said unions were racist and gender biased. They like to keep out blacks and women. I do not know if this is really true of unions or not, but I figure if he said it, it must have some validity.

He also said that when big contract union jobs within highly black populated areas happen, the unions ship in many whites, hispanics, and asians from the outlying areas so that blacks are kept out. He said the ratio was significant, like in areas that are 55% black, they only get maybe 5 to 7 % of those unioin jobs. Again I have not verified this if it is fact or not, but that is what he said. That won't solve the whole problem, but it is a start.

by: Ngchen

12-14-2009 @ 10:13pm

These are interesting and troubling allegations. In the spirit of truth, I would like to see actual evidence, since after all the person making the claim is from the Chamber of Commerce. (Nothing wrong with it, except that it would have an inherent anti-union bent.) A standard political "dirty trick" is to take two opponents, and using disinformation, get the opponents to fight each other. It's certainly possible that the person speaks the truth; however, I would like to see evidence.

BTW, I didn't know there was a specific Black chamber of commerce. Is said group mainstream, or fringe?

by: Ngchen

12-15-2009 @ 1:29am

Actually, I wasn't trying to use any sarcastic humor here at all. I'm simply asking whether there is or is not a separate Black Chamber of Commerce. If there is, I want to know whether it's a mainstream or fringe organization.

But you're correct in that the written word can be easily misinterpreted with regard to irony and sarcasm.

by: NC77

12-15-2009 @ 10:34am

I agree. I have no reason to believe what he said or not believe it. I have seen video of SEIU protests and there appeared to be a fair amount of blacks represented in the protest. No way of verifying they were actual union members though.

I think the black chamber of commerce is mainstream the guy has appeared before Congress to tesitfy about issues concerning blacks. There should be plenty of info on the web about it.

by: NC77

12-15-2009 @ 12:13pm

Here you go Ngchen. The website for National Black Chamber of Commerce.

http://www.nationalbcc.org/

You can see the interviews there and there is a load of other statistical data on how blacks have been left out of stimulus fund driven jobs and other stuff.

by: bill pence

12-15-2009 @ 12:45pm

yeah it's so easy for comments to be misconstrued on forums without the intonation that speech allows... i'm here mostly to see why intelligent people with different opinions from my own think what they do..

by: Ngchen

12-15-2009 @ 1:14pm

Who is seriously proposing reparations, other than an extreme fringe? I've heard the argument made that yes, were we living around 1865 or so, reparations (for the unpaid labor and abuse) to those who were themselves slaves would have been proper. However, the fact today is that (1) all said slaves have since passed away, and that (2) said slaveowners have also passed away. Any reparation scheme would involve the descendants of slaveowners paying the descendants of slaves, for the fact that they just so happened to be said descendants, which was totally out of their personal control.

by: bill_pence

12-14-2009 @ 11:35pm

that was a good question.. still thinking about this one.

by: bill_pence

12-14-2009 @ 11:40pm

this is a very interesting aspect to understanding this issue. i'm not certain this would have occurred to me without significant political background. the black chamber of commerce comment seems a little snide at first but i'm guessing you use alot of sarcastic humor, which is hard to convey through words sometimes.

by: bill_pence

12-14-2009 @ 11:42pm

could you expound upon this concept a little further, ie exactly what are you advocating? i had to admit i had never thought of the minimal wage as having negative implications before.

by: Ngchen

12-15-2009 @ 1:29am

Actually, I wasn't trying to use any sarcastic humor here at all. I'm simply asking whether there is or is not a separate Black Chamber of Commerce. If there is, I want to know whether it's a mainstream or fringe organization.

But you're correct in that the written word can be easily misinterpreted with regard to irony and sarcasm.

by: NC77

12-15-2009 @ 10:34am

I agree. I have no reason to believe what he said or not believe it. I have seen video of SEIU protests and there appeared to be a fair amount of blacks represented in the protest. No way of verifying they were actual union members though.

I think the black chamber of commerce is mainstream the guy has appeared before Congress to tesitfy about issues concerning blacks. There should be plenty of info on the web about it.

by: NC77

12-15-2009 @ 12:13pm

Here you go Ngchen. The website for National Black Chamber of Commerce.

http://www.nationalbcc.org/

You can see the interviews there and there is a load of other statistical data on how blacks have been left out of stimulus fund driven jobs and other stuff.

by: bill pence

12-15-2009 @ 12:45pm

yeah it's so easy for comments to be misconstrued on forums without the intonation that speech allows... i'm here mostly to see why intelligent people with different opinions from my own think what they do..

by: Ngchen

12-15-2009 @ 1:14pm

Who is seriously proposing reparations, other than an extreme fringe? I've heard the argument made that yes, were we living around 1865 or so, reparations (for the unpaid labor and abuse) to those who were themselves slaves would have been proper. However, the fact today is that (1) all said slaves have since passed away, and that (2) said slaveowners have also passed away. Any reparation scheme would involve the descendants of slaveowners paying the descendants of slaves, for the fact that they just so happened to be said descendants, which was totally out of their personal control.

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by: prk

12-14-2009 @ 3:41pm

"celebrated the dip in our national unemployment rate to 10%. At the same time it was reported that the unemployment rate for African Americans in our country was twice that of the national average. "

Just remember the black unemployment rate was the same as the white until a minimum wage law was passed, there by deparving blacks their rights to undercut their white counter parts in the labor market.

Thank you progressives.

by: prk

12-14-2009 @ 3:41pm

"celebrated the dip in our national unemployment rate to 10%. At the same time it was reported that the unemployment rate for African Americans in our country was twice that of the national average. "

Just remember the black unemployment rate was the same as the white until a minimum wage law was passed, there by deparving blacks their rights to undercut their white counter parts in the labor market.

Thank you progressives.

by: LadyJess78

12-14-2009 @ 4:35pm

I'm not sure, but I think you just said that things were better when the wage a person earned was more determined by the color of their skin than by their qualifications. Were things also better when widows died of starvation because they weren't allowed to work? Or when kids were sent into mines to see if they were safe for "real" people? Oh, those cursed progressives!

by: LadyJess78

12-14-2009 @ 4:35pm

I'm not sure, but I think you just said that things were better when the wage a person earned was more determined by the color of their skin than by their qualifications. Were things also better when widows died of starvation because they weren't allowed to work? Or when kids were sent into mines to see if they were safe for "real" people? Oh, those cursed progressives!

by: Ngchen

12-14-2009 @ 4:57pm

Devils's advocate question: So how precisely can we target minority groups for additional help, without becoming racist ourselves, a la engaging in reverse discrimination?

by: Ngchen

12-14-2009 @ 4:57pm

Devils's advocate question: So how precisely can we target minority groups for additional help, without becoming racist ourselves, a la engaging in reverse discrimination?

by: facebook-2240148

12-14-2009 @ 5:51pm

To answer the above question, targeting specific racial minorities does not make a person racist. I believe it is possible for one group to prosper without another group being disadvantaged (this is why the "reverse racism" charge against affirmative action doesn't work for me).

I think President Obama is being pretty spineless about this issue. He's afraid that if he talks too much about helping Blacks, Latinos, Arabs, etc. out of poverty, he'll be accused of being racist against Whites. This is a symptom of how elementary the understanding of race is among most people in this country. I think we're afraid to talk about race. People would sooner attack the person bringing the topic up than they would seriously think about the issue. It's pretty sad to me.

by: facebook-2240148

12-14-2009 @ 5:51pm

To answer the above question, targeting specific racial minorities does not make a person racist. I believe it is possible for one group to prosper without another group being disadvantaged (this is why the "reverse racism" charge against affirmative action doesn't work for me).

I think President Obama is being pretty spineless about this issue. He's afraid that if he talks too much about helping Blacks, Latinos, Arabs, etc. out of poverty, he'll be accused of being racist against Whites. This is a symptom of how elementary the understanding of race is among most people in this country. I think we're afraid to talk about race. People would sooner attack the person bringing the topic up than they would seriously think about the issue. It's pretty sad to me.

by: nuclearferret

12-14-2009 @ 8:41pm

The thing about a proposal of reparations is that when the bill is paid, the race-baiters lose the ability to milk the past for a flow of money to support their lifestyles and "organizations."

by: nuclearferret

12-14-2009 @ 8:41pm

The thing about a proposal of reparations is that when the bill is paid, the race-baiters lose the ability to milk the past for a flow of money to support their lifestyles and "organizations."

by: NC77

12-14-2009 @ 10:02pm

One way would be to either oppose unions and eliminate them or require that they operate under the same affirmative action and quota system that non-unionized jobs are required to observe.

I was listening to an interview of the president of the black U.S. Chamber of Commerce and he said unions were racist and gender biased. They like to keep out blacks and women. I do not know if this is really true of unions or not, but I figure if he said it, it must have some validity.

He also said that when big contract union jobs within highly black populated areas happen, the unions ship in many whites, hispanics, and asians from the outlying areas so that blacks are kept out. He said the ratio was significant, like in areas that are 55% black, they only get maybe 5 to 7 % of those unioin jobs. Again I have not verified this if it is fact or not, but that is what he said. That won't solve the whole problem, but it is a start.

by: NC77

12-14-2009 @ 10:02pm

One way would be to either oppose unions and eliminate them or require that they operate under the same affirmative action and quota system that non-unionized jobs are required to observe.

I was listening to an interview of the president of the black U.S. Chamber of Commerce and he said unions were racist and gender biased. They like to keep out blacks and women. I do not know if this is really true of unions or not, but I figure if he said it, it must have some validity.

He also said that when big contract union jobs within highly black populated areas happen, the unions ship in many whites, hispanics, and asians from the outlying areas so that blacks are kept out. He said the ratio was significant, like in areas that are 55% black, they only get maybe 5 to 7 % of those unioin jobs. Again I have not verified this if it is fact or not, but that is what he said. That won't solve the whole problem, but it is a start.

by: Ngchen

12-14-2009 @ 10:13pm

These are interesting and troubling allegations. In the spirit of truth, I would like to see actual evidence, since after all the person making the claim is from the Chamber of Commerce. (Nothing wrong with it, except that it would have an inherent anti-union bent.) A standard political "dirty trick" is to take two opponents, and using disinformation, get the opponents to fight each other. It's certainly possible that the person speaks the truth; however, I would like to see evidence.

BTW, I didn't know there was a specific Black chamber of commerce. Is said group mainstream, or fringe?

by: Ngchen

12-14-2009 @ 10:13pm

These are interesting and troubling allegations. In the spirit of truth, I would like to see actual evidence, since after all the person making the claim is from the Chamber of Commerce. (Nothing wrong with it, except that it would have an inherent anti-union bent.) A standard political "dirty trick" is to take two opponents, and using disinformation, get the opponents to fight each other. It's certainly possible that the person speaks the truth; however, I would like to see evidence.

BTW, I didn't know there was a specific Black chamber of commerce. Is said group mainstream, or fringe?

by: bill_pence

12-14-2009 @ 11:35pm

that was a good question.. still thinking about this one.

by: bill_pence

12-14-2009 @ 11:35pm

that was a good question.. still thinking about this one.

by: bill_pence

12-14-2009 @ 11:40pm

this is a very interesting aspect to understanding this issue. i'm not certain this would have occurred to me without significant political background. the black chamber of commerce comment seems a little snide at first but i'm guessing you use alot of sarcastic humor, which is hard to convey through words sometimes.

by: bill_pence

12-14-2009 @ 11:40pm

this is a very interesting aspect to understanding this issue. i'm not certain this would have occurred to me without significant political background. the black chamber of commerce comment seems a little snide at first but i'm guessing you use alot of sarcastic humor, which is hard to convey through words sometimes.

by: bill_pence

12-14-2009 @ 11:42pm

could you expound upon this concept a little further, ie exactly what are you advocating? i had to admit i had never thought of the minimal wage as having negative implications before.

by: bill_pence

12-14-2009 @ 11:42pm

could you expound upon this concept a little further, ie exactly what are you advocating? i had to admit i had never thought of the minimal wage as having negative implications before.

by: Ngchen

12-15-2009 @ 1:29am

Actually, I wasn't trying to use any sarcastic humor here at all. I'm simply asking whether there is or is not a separate Black Chamber of Commerce. If there is, I want to know whether it's a mainstream or fringe organization.

But you're correct in that the written word can be easily misinterpreted with regard to irony and sarcasm.

by: Ngchen

12-15-2009 @ 1:29am

Actually, I wasn't trying to use any sarcastic humor here at all. I'm simply asking whether there is or is not a separate Black Chamber of Commerce. If there is, I want to know whether it's a mainstream or fringe organization.

But you're correct in that the written word can be easily misinterpreted with regard to irony and sarcasm.

by: NC77

12-15-2009 @ 10:34am

I agree. I have no reason to believe what he said or not believe it. I have seen video of SEIU protests and there appeared to be a fair amount of blacks represented in the protest. No way of verifying they were actual union members though.

I think the black chamber of commerce is mainstream the guy has appeared before Congress to tesitfy about issues concerning blacks. There should be plenty of info on the web about it.

by: NC77

12-15-2009 @ 10:34am

I agree. I have no reason to believe what he said or not believe it. I have seen video of SEIU protests and there appeared to be a fair amount of blacks represented in the protest. No way of verifying they were actual union members though.

I think the black chamber of commerce is mainstream the guy has appeared before Congress to tesitfy about issues concerning blacks. There should be plenty of info on the web about it.

by: NC77

12-15-2009 @ 12:13pm

Here you go Ngchen. The website for National Black Chamber of Commerce.

http://www.nationalbcc.org/

You can see the interviews there and there is a load of other statistical data on how blacks have been left out of stimulus fund driven jobs and other stuff.

by: NC77

12-15-2009 @ 12:13pm

Here you go Ngchen. The website for National Black Chamber of Commerce.

http://www.nationalbcc.org/

You can see the interviews there and there is a load of other statistical data on how blacks have been left out of stimulus fund driven jobs and other stuff.

by: bill pence

12-15-2009 @ 12:45pm

yeah it's so easy for comments to be misconstrued on forums without the intonation that speech allows... i'm here mostly to see why intelligent people with different opinions from my own think what they do..

by: bill pence

12-15-2009 @ 12:45pm

yeah it's so easy for comments to be misconstrued on forums without the intonation that speech allows... i'm here mostly to see why intelligent people with different opinions from my own think what they do..

by: Ngchen

12-15-2009 @ 1:14pm

Who is seriously proposing reparations, other than an extreme fringe? I've heard the argument made that yes, were we living around 1865 or so, reparations (for the unpaid labor and abuse) to those who were themselves slaves would have been proper. However, the fact today is that (1) all said slaves have since passed away, and that (2) said slaveowners have also passed away. Any reparation scheme would involve the descendants of slaveowners paying the descendants of slaves, for the fact that they just so happened to be said descendants, which was totally out of their personal control.

by: Ngchen

12-15-2009 @ 1:14pm

Who is seriously proposing reparations, other than an extreme fringe? I've heard the argument made that yes, were we living around 1865 or so, reparations (for the unpaid labor and abuse) to those who were themselves slaves would have been proper. However, the fact today is that (1) all said slaves have since passed away, and that (2) said slaveowners have also passed away. Any reparation scheme would involve the descendants of slaveowners paying the descendants of slaves, for the fact that they just so happened to be said descendants, which was totally out of their personal control.

by: NC77

12-15-2009 @ 2:13pm

Here you go Ngchen. The website for National Black Chamber of Commerce.

http://www.nationalbcc.org/

You can see the interviews there and there is a load of other statistical data on how blacks have been left out of stimulus fund driven jobs and other stuff.

by: NC77

12-15-2009 @ 2:13pm

Here you go Ngchen. The website for National Black Chamber of Commerce.

http://www.nationalbcc.org/

You can see the interviews there and there is a load of other statistical data on how blacks have been left out of stimulus fund driven jobs and other stuff.

by: bill pence

12-15-2009 @ 2:45pm

yeah it's so easy for comments to be misconstrued on forums without the intonation that speech allows... i'm here mostly to see why intelligent people with different opinions from my own think what they do..

by: bill pence

12-15-2009 @ 2:45pm

yeah it's so easy for comments to be misconstrued on forums without the intonation that speech allows... i'm here mostly to see why intelligent people with different opinions from my own think what they do..

by: Ngchen

12-15-2009 @ 3:14pm

Who is seriously proposing reparations, other than an extreme fringe? I've heard the argument made that yes, were we living around 1865 or so, reparations (for the unpaid labor and abuse) to those who were themselves slaves would have been proper. However, the fact today is that (1) all said slaves have since passed away, and that (2) said slaveowners have also passed away. Any reparation scheme would involve the descendants of slaveowners paying the descendants of slaves, for the fact that they just so happened to be said descendants, which was totally out of their personal control.

by: Ngchen

12-15-2009 @ 3:14pm

Who is seriously proposing reparations, other than an extreme fringe? I've heard the argument made that yes, were we living around 1865 or so, reparations (for the unpaid labor and abuse) to those who were themselves slaves would have been proper. However, the fact today is that (1) all said slaves have since passed away, and that (2) said slaveowners have also passed away. Any reparation scheme would involve the descendants of slaveowners paying the descendants of slaves, for the fact that they just so happened to be said descendants, which was totally out of their personal control.