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Obama's Nobel Speech: What If?

What if? What if Obama's speech had not simply referenced Gandhi and King but followed them in following the way of Jesus? I have a number of friends, like Nobel Prize nominee John Dear and Ken Butigan, who have articulately raised concerns about Gandhi and Martin Luther King Jr.'s teachings and example being admired while simultaneously sidelined as impractical in Obama's Nobel speech. As Obama stated, "But as a head of State ... I cannot be guided by [Gandhi and King's] examples alone."

Which raises an interesting question for me: "Can we as Christians be guided by Christ's example alone?"

Is Jesus' example enough? Is Jesus' way realistic? For both Gandhi and King it was central to their program, but is Jesus' example alone enough for a president? Or does our hope, our example, our salvation lie elsewhere?

My concern is not just for Obama as someone who shares these philosophical influences of Gandhi and King with me, but for Obama as a brother who, in the Nobel speech, sidelined the teachings and example of Jesus as Lord. While this is not any different from any other world leader, it might be worth pointing out what many might have missed: Obama in this respect has not been any different from any other world leader. Cornel West and Travis Smiley continue to remind us of Obama's need for us to hold him accountable. Desmond Tutu said this week about Obama, "You are now a Nobel laureate -- become what you are."

This got me thinking, "What if." What if instead of Reinhold Niebuhr being Obama's favorite theologian, it were Martin King, Dorothy Day, or John Yoder? What if Obama, like Gandhi and King, looked to Jesus' example not as an ideal but as a practical program for transformation? What if Obama had made a study of the few places nonviolence was tried against Hitler (like in Denmark) and successfully halted Hitler's armies and saved the lives of 7,000 Jews? What if instead of merely quoting the Balkans, Obama made a real study of the nonviolent movement "Otpor!" that brought down Slobodan Milosevic? What if Obama fought terrorism by taking the billions in his war budget (which exceeds that of George W. Bush), and invested it in grassroots community development, health care, and education in Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Iraq (and at home)? What if Obama saw what Martin Luther King Jr. called "the love ethic of Jesus" as the pragmatic and realistic way forward? What if a head of state could risk being guided by Christ's example embodied by Gandhi and King?

What if Obama had not taken a step back from the Black Churches (in which he had come to faith) because their impassioned prophetic rhetoric became a liability? What if Martin Luther King Jr. had lived to preach his next sermon, which he had titled "Why America May Go to Hell"? Would Obama still have referred to him? It would be hard for any president to be part of King's congregation that day, let alone respond "amen."

There is a danger in quoting King and Gandhi as embodiments of abstract ideals to admire rather than fiercely pragmatic examples to follow. Instead of following them as they follow Christ, we might just end up "believing in him" while playing chaplain to empires, the likes of which put him on the cross.

Obama is right in saying "For make no mistake: evil does exist in the world." But it is dangerous to talk of evil unless he also states evil is NOT located in our enemies alone, but that any "axis of evil" runs through the heart of us all (Romans 3:9). Biblically, the only way God and us can overcome evil is with good! (Rom. 12:21)

But none of this need concern us if Jesus is only a guru, or a philosopher, or wisdom teacher, or incidental means of atonement. But if Jesus is Lord, then "loving your enemies" is not an abstract ideal that you can work toward with bombs; rather, it's a concrete practice and program for overcoming evil by imitating the transformative nonviolence of Christ, as Gandhi and King did. If Jesus is Lord, then the way of the cross, the way of militant nonviolent love even unto death, is our only "realpolitik" (despite the brilliant theology of Niebuhr) and may cost us our lives like it did Gandhi and King.

We must pray for our brother Obama; we must provide him with accountability; and we must refuse to cooperate and collaborate with any 'realism' that undermines what is most real for us as Christians: our Lord Christ Jesus and his nonviolent example.

This Christmas, let's pray that the way of Christ would not be lost in rhetoric as an ideal, but be found in practice in our communities as we live the grace God has shown to us. The nonviolent power and wisdom of God seen in the manger, in the life, in the teachings, and ultimately in the cross and resurrection is not merely our "highest aspiration" -- it's our salvation.

portrait-jarrod-mckennaJarrod McKenna is seeking to live God's love as a dad, husband, brother, activist trainer, and [eco]evangelist. He is a co-founder of the Peace Tree Community serving with the marginalised in one of the poorest of areas in his city, in Western Australia heads up an award-winning multi-faith youth service initiative called Together for Humanity, and is the founder and creative director of Empowering Peacemakers (E.P.Y.C.), for which he has received an Australian peace award in his work for empowering a generation of [eco]evangelists and peace prophets.

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by: NC77

01-04-2010 @ 4:57pm

What if Obama had not taken a step back from the Black Churches (in which he had come to faith) because their impassioned prophetic rhetoric became a liability?

What if he had not stepped back from it?

Most likely he would not have been nominated as the democratic candidate for president or would have been much more likely to not have been elected president if he did not back away from the "impassioned" prophetic rhetoric.

Apparently you heard of the "impassioned" rhetoric that became a liability in Australia, while the media here gave him a free pass on it during the campaign last year.

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Hi hafizlives. I am not following your point based on my comment. Gandhi was a great man, true. My comment was on Obama backing away from the Rev. Wright and his black liberation theology rhetoric.

I don't think Rev. Wright was preaching Christ. But that is my opinion and my perspective of him.

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Do you want the government of the United States to proclaim Jesus as Lord? The law is a demand. Some live in a fantasyland in which law exists apart from violence. This fantasy might be reality without sin or evil. Non-violent action is a demand. It attempts to impose. We could create a massive movement of passive resistance and cause the systems of the world to collapse. And hundreds of millions would perish--because of non-violence.

Such a move to non-violence from the Oval Office would demand a massive social movement of non-violence. In the meantime, Obama must govern sinful structures to imperfect ends--and noting that the choices before him do not match up with the perfect will of God really doesn't do much to guide governance today.

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Hi hafizlives. I am not following your point based on my comment. Gandhi was a great man, true. My comment was on Obama backing away from the Rev. Wright and his black liberation theology rhetoric.

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by: jkc1945

12-17-2009 @ 2:31pm

Letjusticerolldown, do you recognize that everything you just said to justify President Obama's worldly speech in Oslo could just as easily and accurately have been said about President Bush, whom most on Sojourners love to hate?

President Obama is another politician - - just like those before him - - and just like those who will come after him - - and the teachings of Jesus will never be incorporated by "the world", simply because the world cannot now tolerate Him, and has never been willing to. All the exicitement over the election of Obama is now waning, as those who were so exciteable begin to see what is painfully evident to many of us - - we have elected a man who is interested in the accumulation of power to himself - - just like those who preceeded him.

by: letjusticerolldown

12-17-2009 @ 3:12pm

Yes--because I didn't write it with Obama in mind.

I do desire America and Obama to be animated by a higher degree of non-violence. I would be happy to ramp down military spending by 50% over ten years. But I think the reactions to his Nobel prize are somewhat silly.

We want him to remake the world in 200 days while most of us haven't altered a single behavior in that time. In such I see a huge projection of our values/expectations onto the US Presidency--which ultimately paralyzes their capacity to do anything.

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12-17-2009 @ 1:31pm

Do you want the government of the United States to proclaim Jesus as Lord? The law is a demand. Some live in a fantasyland in which law exists apart from violence. This fantasy might be reality without sin or evil. Non-violent action is a demand. It attempts to impose. We could create a massive movement of passive resistance and cause the systems of the world to collapse. And hundreds of millions would perish--because of non-violence.

Such a move to non-violence from the Oval Office would demand a massive social movement of non-violence. In the meantime, Obama must govern sinful structures to imperfect ends--and noting that the choices before him do not match up with the perfect will of God really doesn't do much to guide governance today.

by: jkc1945

12-17-2009 @ 2:31pm

Letjusticerolldown, do you recognize that everything you just said to justify President Obama's worldly speech in Oslo could just as easily and accurately have been said about President Bush, whom most on Sojourners love to hate?

President Obama is another politician - - just like those before him - - and just like those who will come after him - - and the teachings of Jesus will never be incorporated by "the world", simply because the world cannot now tolerate Him, and has never been willing to. All the exicitement over the election of Obama is now waning, as those who were so exciteable begin to see what is painfully evident to many of us - - we have elected a man who is interested in the accumulation of power to himself - - just like those who preceeded him.

by: letjusticerolldown

12-17-2009 @ 3:12pm

Yes--because I didn't write it with Obama in mind.

I do desire America and Obama to be animated by a higher degree of non-violence. I would be happy to ramp down military spending by 50% over ten years. But I think the reactions to his Nobel prize are somewhat silly.

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by: blutenhalbmond

12-17-2009 @ 9:26pm

Jarrod McKenna,

This is one fantastic article and I agree with each word. We have to pray for Obama that he come around and eschew violence and find a more peaceful path to resolve our troubles there. Our warring in Afghanistan will be so needless and futile for even if we do have peace someday, it will be the peace that one has in cemetries and graveyards.

But the irony is that millions of Americans (and i know some of them), would say "Thats just fine with me."

In his Peace Prize acceptance speech, Obama not only abandoned his committement to non violence, but also put a question mark on one of Christianity's most sacred principles and most ironcally, in the very Season that celebrates the Birth of the Saviour himself!

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Hi hafizlives. I am not following your point based on my comment. Gandhi was a great man, true. My comment was on Obama backing away from the Rev. Wright and his black liberation theology rhetoric.

I don't think Rev. Wright was preaching Christ. But that is my opinion and my perspective of him.

by: Daniel Batt

12-17-2009 @ 10:28pm

The US is not a Christian nation, so why should the Jesus principal of nonviolence be enshrined in foreign policy? Just for starts, you live in a Democracy. But you seem to think that if Obama is a Christian then he should force the US to follow Jesus completely, both at home and abroad. Maybe he should also make disciples of all the nations, and teach them to obey all that Jesus commanded his followers. Great! Evangelism as foreign policy. It follows, doesn't it? I really can't see why it doesn't follow also, if you really think this is such a good idea, that a Muslim leader shouldn't impose Sharia Law so as to be true to his religion. If Obama said before his election that he would be leading the US to follow Jesus' nonviolent life, well, that would be different. But he didn't. He said Afghanistan was the 'good war' and that he would pursue that avanue, which he is (more or less).

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Be The Change You Want To See In The World -- Ghandi

can you accuse him of being anything less?

"If one has to appreciate the contribution of Gandhi, one has to see his totality of contribution to the situation of India."

Are christ's teachings any less because less than 1/6th of the world practice Christianity? IF you look at the totality of an argument then look at the statistics. IF you say ghandi did not make a difference in INDIA then you are looking at what you want to see with India, as you are with christ's teachings. Christ saved us individually, as did ghandi, you are not going to find favor in the lords view by praising him above anyone...

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The policy of non violence doesn't have to be a Christian one, the Australian Greens have non-violent pillars and they are a secular party.

The fact is Afghanistan isn't a clean war and the voices who aren't being heard in the debate over Afghanistan are the Afghani people, Noam Chomsky quotes the leader of the Afghan peace movement (forget her name) as saying something along the lines of 'Afghanistan needing an invasion, an invasion of schools education roads and infrastructure not bombs'. When we talk of Afghanistan we need to remember the people who's lives we really are affecting, these are the people Obama should have been listening to when he decided another 30,000 were to be shipped there.

by: blutenhalbmond

12-17-2009 @ 9:26pm

Jarrod McKenna,

This is one fantastic article and I agree with each word. We have to pray for Obama that he come around and eschew violence and find a more peaceful path to resolve our troubles there. Our warring in Afghanistan will be so needless and futile for even if we do have peace someday, it will be the peace that one has in cemetries and graveyards.

But the irony is that millions of Americans (and i know some of them), would say "Thats just fine with me."

In his Peace Prize acceptance speech, Obama not only abandoned his committement to non violence, but also put a question mark on one of Christianity's most sacred principles and most ironcally, in the very Season that celebrates the Birth of the Saviour himself!

by: NC77

02-06-2010 @ 9:46pm

Hi hafizlives. I am not following your point based on my comment. Gandhi was a great man, true. My comment was on Obama backing away from the Rev. Wright and his black liberation theology rhetoric.

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by: Daniel Batt

12-17-2009 @ 10:28pm

The US is not a Christian nation, so why should the Jesus principal of nonviolence be enshrined in foreign policy? Just for starts, you live in a Democracy. But you seem to think that if Obama is a Christian then he should force the US to follow Jesus completely, both at home and abroad. Maybe he should also make disciples of all the nations, and teach them to obey all that Jesus commanded his followers. Great! Evangelism as foreign policy. It follows, doesn't it? I really can't see why it doesn't follow also, if you really think this is such a good idea, that a Muslim leader shouldn't impose Sharia Law so as to be true to his religion. If Obama said before his election that he would be leading the US to follow Jesus' nonviolent life, well, that would be different. But he didn't. He said Afghanistan was the 'good war' and that he would pursue that avanue, which he is (more or less).

by: hafizlives

12-23-2009 @ 1:45pm

"There is a danger in quoting King and Gandhi as embodiments of abstract ideals to admire rather than fiercely pragmatic examples to follow. Instead of following them as they follow Christ, we might just end up "believing in him" while playing chaplain to empires, the likes of which put him on the cross."

There is no way you can compare ghandi to the roman empire which crucified christ. King and Ghandi are two people who truly believed in human kind despite of race, creed or religion and gave their lives for the betterment of human kind. This article does not help anybody, it takes away from the achievements of people who are fighting for the good of the people. What has jesus (or the romans for that matter like you state) done for the indians and african americans more than ghandi and martin luther king.

Its unfortunate that you can not see the good in people who are currently living and trying to do good in the world. If Jesus were alive he would shake his head, you were supposed to learn from him, not use his name as a reason to find fault in world leaders, you are supposed to see his spirit in other people.

I surely hope you are not speaking for jesus, Ghandi and Martin luther king spoke for the betterment of man kind, Jesus would of done the same. YOU ARE NOT.

by: hafizlives

12-23-2009 @ 2:04pm

What if Obama had not taken a step back from the Black Churches (in which he had come to faith) because their impassioned prophetic rhetoric became a liability? What if Martin Luther King Jr. had lived to preach his next sermon, which he had titled "Why America May Go to Hell"? Would Obama still have referred to him? It would be hard for any president to be part of King's congregation that day, let alone respond "amen."

When has a "white" president taken a step back from christ's teaching? why should a "black" president feel like he would have to. In America Christ's teaching are a badge you wear on you shoulder and not on your heart. You are judging Martin luther king on what he may have done, not what he has done, technically speaking martin luther king did just as much for the civil rights movement in the united states as jesus did for the christians in the time of the romans.

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While I appreciate much of what Cornel West has said but still would like to ask all the readers to be very careful referring to Gandhi as a "peace-agent". If one has to appreciate the contribution of Gandhi, one has to see his totality of contribution to the situation of India. It can be clearly accredited to Gandhi that now a 25% (approximately) of the indian population are still under oppression. If one can get a hold of the discussions between Ambedkar (the leader of the untouchables in India and the first constitution presenter) and Gandhi would understand. I hope and pray that God will raise up people and disturb our consciousness for the liberation of these people in India.

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by: letjusticerolldown

12-17-2009 @ 1:31pm

Do you want the government of the United States to proclaim Jesus as Lord? The law is a demand. Some live in a fantasyland in which law exists apart from violence. This fantasy might be reality without sin or evil. Non-violent action is a demand. It attempts to impose. We could create a massive movement of passive resistance and cause the systems of the world to collapse. And hundreds of millions would perish--because of non-violence.

Such a move to non-violence from the Oval Office would demand a massive social movement of non-violence. In the meantime, Obama must govern sinful structures to imperfect ends--and noting that the choices before him do not match up with the perfect will of God really doesn't do much to guide governance today.

by: letjusticerolldown

12-17-2009 @ 1:31pm

Do you want the government of the United States to proclaim Jesus as Lord? The law is a demand. Some live in a fantasyland in which law exists apart from violence. This fantasy might be reality without sin or evil. Non-violent action is a demand. It attempts to impose. We could create a massive movement of passive resistance and cause the systems of the world to collapse. And hundreds of millions would perish--because of non-violence.

Such a move to non-violence from the Oval Office would demand a massive social movement of non-violence. In the meantime, Obama must govern sinful structures to imperfect ends--and noting that the choices before him do not match up with the perfect will of God really doesn't do much to guide governance today.

by: jkc1945

12-17-2009 @ 2:31pm

Letjusticerolldown, do you recognize that everything you just said to justify President Obama's worldly speech in Oslo could just as easily and accurately have been said about President Bush, whom most on Sojourners love to hate?

President Obama is another politician - - just like those before him - - and just like those who will come after him - - and the teachings of Jesus will never be incorporated by "the world", simply because the world cannot now tolerate Him, and has never been willing to. All the exicitement over the election of Obama is now waning, as those who were so exciteable begin to see what is painfully evident to many of us - - we have elected a man who is interested in the accumulation of power to himself - - just like those who preceeded him.

by: jkc1945

12-17-2009 @ 2:31pm

Letjusticerolldown, do you recognize that everything you just said to justify President Obama's worldly speech in Oslo could just as easily and accurately have been said about President Bush, whom most on Sojourners love to hate?

President Obama is another politician - - just like those before him - - and just like those who will come after him - - and the teachings of Jesus will never be incorporated by "the world", simply because the world cannot now tolerate Him, and has never been willing to. All the exicitement over the election of Obama is now waning, as those who were so exciteable begin to see what is painfully evident to many of us - - we have elected a man who is interested in the accumulation of power to himself - - just like those who preceeded him.

by: letjusticerolldown

12-17-2009 @ 3:12pm

Yes--because I didn't write it with Obama in mind.

I do desire America and Obama to be animated by a higher degree of non-violence. I would be happy to ramp down military spending by 50% over ten years. But I think the reactions to his Nobel prize are somewhat silly.

We want him to remake the world in 200 days while most of us haven't altered a single behavior in that time. In such I see a huge projection of our values/expectations onto the US Presidency--which ultimately paralyzes their capacity to do anything.

by: letjusticerolldown

12-17-2009 @ 3:12pm

Yes--because I didn't write it with Obama in mind.

I do desire America and Obama to be animated by a higher degree of non-violence. I would be happy to ramp down military spending by 50% over ten years. But I think the reactions to his Nobel prize are somewhat silly.

We want him to remake the world in 200 days while most of us haven't altered a single behavior in that time. In such I see a huge projection of our values/expectations onto the US Presidency--which ultimately paralyzes their capacity to do anything.

by: blutenhalbmond

12-17-2009 @ 9:26pm

Jarrod McKenna,

This is one fantastic article and I agree with each word. We have to pray for Obama that he come around and eschew violence and find a more peaceful path to resolve our troubles there. Our warring in Afghanistan will be so needless and futile for even if we do have peace someday, it will be the peace that one has in cemetries and graveyards.

But the irony is that millions of Americans (and i know some of them), would say "Thats just fine with me."

In his Peace Prize acceptance speech, Obama not only abandoned his committement to non violence, but also put a question mark on one of Christianity's most sacred principles and most ironcally, in the very Season that celebrates the Birth of the Saviour himself!

by: blutenhalbmond

12-17-2009 @ 9:26pm

Jarrod McKenna,

This is one fantastic article and I agree with each word. We have to pray for Obama that he come around and eschew violence and find a more peaceful path to resolve our troubles there. Our warring in Afghanistan will be so needless and futile for even if we do have peace someday, it will be the peace that one has in cemetries and graveyards.

But the irony is that millions of Americans (and i know some of them), would say "Thats just fine with me."

In his Peace Prize acceptance speech, Obama not only abandoned his committement to non violence, but also put a question mark on one of Christianity's most sacred principles and most ironcally, in the very Season that celebrates the Birth of the Saviour himself!

by: Daniel Batt

12-17-2009 @ 10:28pm

The US is not a Christian nation, so why should the Jesus principal of nonviolence be enshrined in foreign policy? Just for starts, you live in a Democracy. But you seem to think that if Obama is a Christian then he should force the US to follow Jesus completely, both at home and abroad. Maybe he should also make disciples of all the nations, and teach them to obey all that Jesus commanded his followers. Great! Evangelism as foreign policy. It follows, doesn't it? I really can't see why it doesn't follow also, if you really think this is such a good idea, that a Muslim leader shouldn't impose Sharia Law so as to be true to his religion. If Obama said before his election that he would be leading the US to follow Jesus' nonviolent life, well, that would be different. But he didn't. He said Afghanistan was the 'good war' and that he would pursue that avanue, which he is (more or less).

by: Daniel Batt

12-17-2009 @ 10:28pm

The US is not a Christian nation, so why should the Jesus principal of nonviolence be enshrined in foreign policy? Just for starts, you live in a Democracy. But you seem to think that if Obama is a Christian then he should force the US to follow Jesus completely, both at home and abroad. Maybe he should also make disciples of all the nations, and teach them to obey all that Jesus commanded his followers. Great! Evangelism as foreign policy. It follows, doesn't it? I really can't see why it doesn't follow also, if you really think this is such a good idea, that a Muslim leader shouldn't impose Sharia Law so as to be true to his religion. If Obama said before his election that he would be leading the US to follow Jesus' nonviolent life, well, that would be different. But he didn't. He said Afghanistan was the 'good war' and that he would pursue that avanue, which he is (more or less).

by: danielspencer

12-18-2009 @ 9:20am

The policy of non violence doesn't have to be a Christian one, the Australian Greens have non-violent pillars and they are a secular party.

The fact is Afghanistan isn't a clean war and the voices who aren't being heard in the debate over Afghanistan are the Afghani people, Noam Chomsky quotes the leader of the Afghan peace movement (forget her name) as saying something along the lines of 'Afghanistan needing an invasion, an invasion of schools education roads and infrastructure not bombs'. When we talk of Afghanistan we need to remember the people who's lives we really are affecting, these are the people Obama should have been listening to when he decided another 30,000 were to be shipped there.

by: danielspencer

12-18-2009 @ 9:20am

The policy of non violence doesn't have to be a Christian one, the Australian Greens have non-violent pillars and they are a secular party.

The fact is Afghanistan isn't a clean war and the voices who aren't being heard in the debate over Afghanistan are the Afghani people, Noam Chomsky quotes the leader of the Afghan peace movement (forget her name) as saying something along the lines of 'Afghanistan needing an invasion, an invasion of schools education roads and infrastructure not bombs'. When we talk of Afghanistan we need to remember the people who's lives we really are affecting, these are the people Obama should have been listening to when he decided another 30,000 were to be shipped there.

by: hafizlives

12-23-2009 @ 1:45pm

"There is a danger in quoting King and Gandhi as embodiments of abstract ideals to admire rather than fiercely pragmatic examples to follow. Instead of following them as they follow Christ, we might just end up "believing in him" while playing chaplain to empires, the likes of which put him on the cross."

There is no way you can compare ghandi to the roman empire which crucified christ. King and Ghandi are two people who truly believed in human kind despite of race, creed or religion and gave their lives for the betterment of human kind. This article does not help anybody, it takes away from the achievements of people who are fighting for the good of the people. What has jesus (or the romans for that matter like you state) done for the indians and african americans more than ghandi and martin luther king.

Its unfortunate that you can not see the good in people who are currently living and trying to do good in the world. If Jesus were alive he would shake his head, you were supposed to learn from him, not use his name as a reason to find fault in world leaders, you are supposed to see his spirit in other people.

I surely hope you are not speaking for jesus, Ghandi and Martin luther king spoke for the betterment of man kind, Jesus would of done the same. YOU ARE NOT.

by: hafizlives

12-23-2009 @ 1:45pm

"There is a danger in quoting King and Gandhi as embodiments of abstract ideals to admire rather than fiercely pragmatic examples to follow. Instead of following them as they follow Christ, we might just end up "believing in him" while playing chaplain to empires, the likes of which put him on the cross."

There is no way you can compare ghandi to the roman empire which crucified christ. King and Ghandi are two people who truly believed in human kind despite of race, creed or religion and gave their lives for the betterment of human kind. This article does not help anybody, it takes away from the achievements of people who are fighting for the good of the people. What has jesus (or the romans for that matter like you state) done for the indians and african americans more than ghandi and martin luther king.

Its unfortunate that you can not see the good in people who are currently living and trying to do good in the world. If Jesus were alive he would shake his head, you were supposed to learn from him, not use his name as a reason to find fault in world leaders, you are supposed to see his spirit in other people.

I surely hope you are not speaking for jesus, Ghandi and Martin luther king spoke for the betterment of man kind, Jesus would of done the same. YOU ARE NOT.

by: hafizlives

12-23-2009 @ 2:04pm

What if Obama had not taken a step back from the Black Churches (in which he had come to faith) because their impassioned prophetic rhetoric became a liability? What if Martin Luther King Jr. had lived to preach his next sermon, which he had titled "Why America May Go to Hell"? Would Obama still have referred to him? It would be hard for any president to be part of King's congregation that day, let alone respond "amen."

When has a "white" president taken a step back from christ's teaching? why should a "black" president feel like he would have to. In America Christ's teaching are a badge you wear on you shoulder and not on your heart. You are judging Martin luther king on what he may have done, not what he has done, technically speaking martin luther king did just as much for the civil rights movement in the united states as jesus did for the christians in the time of the romans.

by: hafizlives

12-23-2009 @ 2:04pm

What if Obama had not taken a step back from the Black Churches (in which he had come to faith) because their impassioned prophetic rhetoric became a liability? What if Martin Luther King Jr. had lived to preach his next sermon, which he had titled "Why America May Go to Hell"? Would Obama still have referred to him? It would be hard for any president to be part of King's congregation that day, let alone respond "amen."

When has a "white" president taken a step back from christ's teaching? why should a "black" president feel like he would have to. In America Christ's teaching are a badge you wear on you shoulder and not on your heart. You are judging Martin luther king on what he may have done, not what he has done, technically speaking martin luther king did just as much for the civil rights movement in the united states as jesus did for the christians in the time of the romans.

by: isaacseelam

01-02-2010 @ 8:09pm

While I appreciate much of what Cornel West has said but still would like to ask all the readers to be very careful referring to Gandhi as a "peace-agent". If one has to appreciate the contribution of Gandhi, one has to see his totality of contribution to the situation of India. It can be clearly accredited to Gandhi that now a 25% (approximately) of the indian population are still under oppression. If one can get a hold of the discussions between Ambedkar (the leader of the untouchables in India and the first constitution presenter) and Gandhi would understand. I hope and pray that God will raise up people and disturb our consciousness for the liberation of these people in India.

by: isaacseelam

01-02-2010 @ 8:09pm

While I appreciate much of what Cornel West has said but still would like to ask all the readers to be very careful referring to Gandhi as a "peace-agent". If one has to appreciate the contribution of Gandhi, one has to see his totality of contribution to the situation of India. It can be clearly accredited to Gandhi that now a 25% (approximately) of the indian population are still under oppression. If one can get a hold of the discussions between Ambedkar (the leader of the untouchables in India and the first constitution presenter) and Gandhi would understand. I hope and pray that God will raise up people and disturb our consciousness for the liberation of these people in India.

by: NC77

01-04-2010 @ 4:57pm

What if Obama had not taken a step back from the Black Churches (in which he had come to faith) because their impassioned prophetic rhetoric became a liability?

What if he had not stepped back from it?

Most likely he would not have been nominated as the democratic candidate for president or would have been much more likely to not have been elected president if he did not back away from the "impassioned" prophetic rhetoric.

Apparently you heard of the "impassioned" rhetoric that became a liability in Australia, while the media here gave him a free pass on it during the campaign last year.

by: NC77

01-04-2010 @ 4:57pm

What if Obama had not taken a step back from the Black Churches (in which he had come to faith) because their impassioned prophetic rhetoric became a liability?

What if he had not stepped back from it?

Most likely he would not have been nominated as the democratic candidate for president or would have been much more likely to not have been elected president if he did not back away from the "impassioned" prophetic rhetoric.

Apparently you heard of the "impassioned" rhetoric that became a liability in Australia, while the media here gave him a free pass on it during the campaign last year.

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Be The Change You Want To See In The World -- Ghandi

can you accuse him of being anything less?

"If one has to appreciate the contribution of Gandhi, one has to see his totality of contribution to the situation of India."

Are christ's teachings any less because less than 1/6th of the world practice Christianity? IF you look at the totality of an argument then look at the statistics. IF you say ghandi did not make a difference in INDIA then you are looking at what you want to see with India, as you are with christ's teachings. Christ saved us individually, as did ghandi, you are not going to find favor in the lords view by praising him above anyone...

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02-06-2010 @ 5:11pm

Be The Change You Want To See In The World -- Ghandi

can you accuse him of being anything less?

"If one has to appreciate the contribution of Gandhi, one has to see his totality of contribution to the situation of India."

Are christ's teachings any less because less than 1/6th of the world practice Christianity? IF you look at the totality of an argument then look at the statistics. IF you say ghandi did not make a difference in INDIA then you are looking at what you want to see with India, as you are with christ's teachings. Christ saved us individually, as did ghandi, you are not going to find favor in the lords view by praising him above anyone...

by: NC77

02-06-2010 @ 9:46pm

Hi hafizlives. I am not following your point based on my comment. Gandhi was a great man, true. My comment was on Obama backing away from the Rev. Wright and his black liberation theology rhetoric.

by: NC77

02-06-2010 @ 9:46pm

Hi hafizlives. I am not following your point based on my comment. Gandhi was a great man, true. My comment was on Obama backing away from the Rev. Wright and his black liberation theology rhetoric.

by: NC77

02-06-2010 @ 11:46pm

Hi hafizlives. I am not following your point based on my comment. Gandhi was a great man, true. My comment was on Obama backing away from the Rev. Wright and his black liberation theology rhetoric.

I don't think Rev. Wright was preaching Christ. But that is my opinion and my perspective of him.

by: NC77

02-06-2010 @ 11:46pm

Hi hafizlives. I am not following your point based on my comment. Gandhi was a great man, true. My comment was on Obama backing away from the Rev. Wright and his black liberation theology rhetoric.

I don't think Rev. Wright was preaching Christ. But that is my opinion and my perspective of him.

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