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Obama's Brand of American Exceptionalism

As I suggested in my previous post, I was troubled by some elements of the president's recent Oslo speech. But recent statements by former VP Dick Cheney have helped me appreciate a key element of the speech that I enthusiastically applaud.

Cheney was profiled recently by James Carroll as "the quintessential American," a passionate defender, among other things, of something called American exceptionalism. Both Cheney and his daughter have repeatedly cast aspersions on President Obama by suggesting that the president doesn't hold to the doctrine that America is elite and exceptional, morally superior, divinely privileged, or in other ways on a level above all other nations of the world. President Obama's willingness to honor other heads of state in ways appropriate to their cultures has been offered as evidence of this deficit in exceptionalist attitudes.

Now it turns out that the Cheneys are technically wrong on this criticism. President Obama has in fact asserted his belief in American exceptionalism.

But a strong critic of the president has pointed out an instance where the president explained what he means by American exceptionalism: he believes in it "just as I imagine that Greeks believe in Greek exceptionalism and the British believe in British exceptionalism." In other words, his belief that America is an exceptional nation is somewhat akin to the people in Lake Wobegon knowing that all their children are above average. His attitude is in harmony with this beautiful hymn (sung to the tune of Finlandia):

This is my song, O God of all the nations,
a song of peace for lands afar and mine;
this is my home, the country where my heart is;
here are my hopes, my dreams, my holy shrine:
but other hearts in other lands are beating
with hopes and dreams as true and high as mine.

Former Vice President Cheney's exceptionalism seems to have a more absolutist character to it. It easily leads its adherents to the belief that America should be exempted from normal protocols such as the Geneva Conventions' ban on torture, participation in the International Criminal Court, trade agreements that are fair as well as free, consistent respect for the United Nations, or responsible participation in global environmental initiatives. It's the kind of exceptionalism that makes exceptions for itself regarding the moral absolutes that it believes apply to others.

Which brings me back to the president's Oslo speech, where he clearly rejects this kind of absolutist exceptionalism:

Concretely, we must direct our effort to the task that President Kennedy called for long ago. "Let us focus," he said, "on a more practical, more attainable peace, based not on a sudden revolution in human nature but on a gradual evolution in human institutions." To begin with, I believe that all nations -- strong and weak alike -- must adhere to standards that govern the use of force. I -- like any head of state -- reserve the right to act unilaterally if necessary to defend my nation. Nevertheless, I am convinced that adhering to standards strengthens those who do, and isolates -- and weakens -- those who don't.

President Obama's reference to Kennedy made me want to find the speech from which the quote was taken. Coincidentally, I had recently read a blog post from Chris Rice that referenced this same speech, which was originally delivered at American University in June, 1963, just five months before Kennedy's assassination. (You can watch it here, and it is embedded below.)

These lines from the speech especially grabbed me, all the more remarkable because they were spoken as the world faced the unprecedented threats of nuclear weapons in the Cold War:

The most important topic on earth [is] peace. Not a pax Americana enforced on the world by American weapons of war ... I am talking about genuine peace. Not merely peace for Americans but peace for all men and women -- not merely peace in our time but peace for all time ... Some say it is useless to speak of world peace ... that it will be useless until the leaders of the Soviet Union adopt a more enlightened attitude. I hope they do ... But I also believe we must re-examine our own attitudes -- as individuals and as a nation -- for our attitude is as essential as theirs ... And every thoughtful citizen who despairs of war and wishes to bring peace should begin by looking inward -- by examining his own attitude toward the possibilities of peace, toward the Soviet Union, toward the course of the cold war, and toward freedom and peace here at home ...

Let us examine our attitude toward peace itself. Too many of us think it is impossible. Too many think it is unreal. But that is a dangerous, defeatist belief. It leads to the conclusion that war is inevitable -- that mankind is doomed -- that we are gripped by forces we cannot control ...

Truly as it was written long ago: 'The wicked flee when no man pursueth' ... [this] is also a warning -- a warning to the American people to not fall into the same trap as the Soviets ... No government or social system is so evil that its people must be considered as lacking in virtue.

Much could be said about the wisdom for today contained in this speech from 1963, and these lines from it. We could reflect on the use of the word "evil" -- by our current and former presidents -- and how careful we must be not to think that the line between good and evil runs between "us" from "them," rather than within all of us -- leaving us to consider "them" as "lacking in virtue" and ourselves as morally exceptional. We could ponder the danger of falling "into the same trap" as our enemies, when we disguise from ourselves how we become the moral mirror-image of our enemies when we fight them using their own tools.

But for now, it seems to me, we should start by seeing how our nation is poised between the exceptionalism of Dick Cheney and the very different exceptionalism imagined by John F. Kennedy and affirmed by Barack Obama. That's why I wholeheartedly applaud these lines from the president's Oslo speech:

... America cannot insist that others follow the rules of the road if we refuse to follow them ourselves. For when we don't, our action can appear arbitrary, and undercut the legitimacy of future intervention -- no matter how justified.

My hope for our country is that we will stop seeing and presenting ourselves as an exception to the rules, but as an example of the rules ... not as superior and above other nations, but as a good neighbor with them in the global community. The hymn I noted earlier presents us with the exceptionalism of all, no exceptions:

My country's skies are bluer than the ocean,
and sunlight beams on cloverleaf and pine;
but other lands have sunlight too, and clover,
and skies are everywhere as blue as mine:
O hear my song, thou God of all the nations,
a song of peace for their land and for mine.

That's the kind of exceptionalism I can believe in, and I hope the president will continue to lead in that direction. While he may not move as boldly as some of us hoped, we must appreciate every step in the right direction, each step representing "a gradual evolution in human institutions."

Brian McLarenBrian McLaren (brianmclaren.net) is a speaker and author, most recently of Everything Must Change and Finding Our Way Again.

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by: John Mulholland

12-18-2009 @ 7:58pm

Well, duh.

Is this your first time reading B-Mac?

by: DITE

12-19-2009 @ 7:45pm

"...the doctrine that America is elite and exceptional, morally superior, divinely privileged, or in other ways on a level above all other nations of the world."

This is no where close to what is meant by American Exceptionalism. It primarily refers to the unique manner in which America was formed. McLaren has no idea what he's talking about.

It's hard to explain AE succinctly, but Harry Jaffa has a pretty good start:

"What it meant was the American people in declaring their independence did so not on the basis of unique rights or privileges that THEY had, but on the basis of rights which they shared with ALL men everywhere. No other people had ever done such a thing."

by: letjusticerolldown

12-18-2009 @ 8:59pm

"... our nation is poised between the exceptionalism of Dick Cheney and the very different exceptionalism imagined by John F. Kennedy and affirmed by Barack Obama." B McLaren

Maybe I missed something, but it seems to be he drew a pretty distinct line between the two and exaggerated the views of both to get them into these distinct forms of exceptionalism. The exceptionalism of Kennedy, Cheney and Obama is best understood by integrating their words, policies and actions. e.g.It might help to reflect on Kennedy's 1963 speech in light of his injection of 16,000 troops into Vietnam.

by: letjusticerolldown

12-18-2009 @ 9:02pm

Kennedy could defend US invasions in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan as not "starting a war" just as he did not start a war at the Bay of Pigs or injecting 16,000 troops into Vietnam.

by: WB123

12-19-2009 @ 8:32pm

Most of the Religious Left on this blog would think those countries are far superior to the United States.

by: squeaky

12-19-2009 @ 9:22pm

Nope.

by: taniacs

12-19-2009 @ 4:33am

hmmm... as I said, I'm struggling to put thoughts together regarding Afgan policy and your point is well taken, and gave me lots more to think about. I'm not sure I can compare the outright declaration of War in Iraq against the Bay of Pigs conflict, but Vietnam gave me something to think about. I still hurts my heart to think about the Iraq War, which no one has been able to legitimize, despite attempts by Cheney and Co. to do just that.

by: hammerud

12-19-2009 @ 11:27pm

We need to get back to our Judeo-Christian roots and also to the Constitution. Then we can be an example to the world. We're definitely on the wrong path now.

by: Minnesotan

12-19-2009 @ 11:48pm

I am bothered by the moral equivalency that Brian McLaren engages in when he criticizes the use of "violence." Certainly there is a huge moral distinction between what the Taliban and Al Queda did to Afghanistan, and would do again, unless they were stopped by NATO troops, including many U.S. troops. One would be foolish to equate the actions of a policeman and a rapist as "violent," when the policeman shoots the rapist while he was attacking a woman.

It seems to me that it is "peacemaking" and "prolife" to use the U.S. military to stop warlike and anti-life forces like Al Queda and the Taliban, just as we use armed police officers to maintain order and stop violent criminals.

by: BlueDeacon

12-20-2009 @ 1:16am

By whose standards? If we think we have the right to push people around, beating our chests and insisting on our superiority rather than acting with and in humility, we spit on the Constitution and make a mockery of Jesus Christ.

by: hammerud

12-20-2009 @ 8:28am

Since we have allowed secular-humanism to be the dominant influence in
our society, our culture no longer has reliable standards.

by: fundamentalist

12-19-2009 @ 12:32pm

So the US is not different from any other country in the world in any way? Let's start with some obvious examples: North Korea, Iran?

by: SisterMarie

12-19-2009 @ 1:18pm

"...that America is elite and exceptional, morally superior, divinely privileged, or in other ways on a level above all other nations of the world."

It's somewhat ironic that this charge is coming from someone who can't even go hunting without shooting a friend.

by: ckgmail

12-20-2009 @ 3:02pm

When did secular humanism become the dominant influence in our society. What was the dominant influence at the Sand Creek Massacre, at Wounded Knee, at the forced march of Cherokees, Choctaws and others on the Trail of Tears? What was the dominant influence when we subjugated the Filipino people. Was this American Exceptionalism?

by: John Mulholland

12-19-2009 @ 4:05pm

"It's somewhat ironic that this charge is coming from someone who can't even go hunting without shooting a friend."

Keeping it classy.

by: duhsciple

12-20-2009 @ 3:23pm

wow, I just found this comment... you really believe this?

i am tremendously saddened that the left and the right think the worst about one another

by: duhsciple

12-20-2009 @ 3:26pm

Simplify it for me. What is the "norm" to which America is the "exception"? I'm reading a lot of arguing back and forth, but I cannot figure out what the argument is about.

by: JoannaCW

12-20-2009 @ 3:57pm

And what about the violence being done against womwn and democratic dissenters as well as Taliban members by the US-backed warlords who now wield power in Afghanistan?

by: DITE

12-19-2009 @ 7:45pm

"...the doctrine that America is elite and exceptional, morally superior, divinely privileged, or in other ways on a level above all other nations of the world."

This is no where close to what is meant by American Exceptionalism. It primarily refers to the unique manner in which America was formed. McLaren has no idea what he's talking about.

It's hard to explain AE succinctly, but Harry Jaffa has a pretty good start:

"What it meant was the American people in declaring their independence did so not on the basis of unique rights or privileges that THEY had, but on the basis of rights which they shared with ALL men everywhere. No other people had ever done such a thing."

by: WB123

12-19-2009 @ 8:32pm

Most of the Religious Left on this blog would think those countries are far superior to the United States.

by: squeaky

12-19-2009 @ 9:22pm

Nope.

by: BlueDeacon

12-20-2009 @ 7:28pm

That's a futile and worn-out argument, frankly, because it blames a them for our country's problems without taking a very good look in the mirror. That kind of scapegoating is just what Hitler did in Germany.

by: hammerud

12-19-2009 @ 11:27pm

We need to get back to our Judeo-Christian roots and also to the Constitution. Then we can be an example to the world. We're definitely on the wrong path now.

by: Minnesotan

12-19-2009 @ 11:48pm

I am bothered by the moral equivalency that Brian McLaren engages in when he criticizes the use of "violence." Certainly there is a huge moral distinction between what the Taliban and Al Queda did to Afghanistan, and would do again, unless they were stopped by NATO troops, including many U.S. troops. One would be foolish to equate the actions of a policeman and a rapist as "violent," when the policeman shoots the rapist while he was attacking a woman.

It seems to me that it is "peacemaking" and "prolife" to use the U.S. military to stop warlike and anti-life forces like Al Queda and the Taliban, just as we use armed police officers to maintain order and stop violent criminals.

by: BlueDeacon

12-20-2009 @ 1:16am

By whose standards? If we think we have the right to push people around, beating our chests and insisting on our superiority rather than acting with and in humility, we spit on the Constitution and make a mockery of Jesus Christ.

by: hammerud

12-20-2009 @ 8:28am

Since we have allowed secular-humanism to be the dominant influence in
our society, our culture no longer has reliable standards.

by: pm_nels

02-17-2010 @ 3:21pm

"..but on the basis of rights which they shared with ALL men everywhere..."

Did all men include african slaves? Or Native Americans? Or (wo)men? This seems very much an ivory tower, academic theory you're referring to. Brian is not citing some academic principle articulated years ago, but a basic psychological reality of our day.

by: ckgmail

12-20-2009 @ 3:02pm

When did secular humanism become the dominant influence in our society. What was the dominant influence at the Sand Creek Massacre, at Wounded Knee, at the forced march of Cherokees, Choctaws and others on the Trail of Tears? What was the dominant influence when we subjugated the Filipino people. Was this American Exceptionalism?

by: duhsciple

12-20-2009 @ 3:23pm

wow, I just found this comment... you really believe this?

i am tremendously saddened that the left and the right think the worst about one another

by: duhsciple

12-20-2009 @ 3:26pm

Simplify it for me. What is the "norm" to which America is the "exception"? I'm reading a lot of arguing back and forth, but I cannot figure out what the argument is about.

by: JoannaCW

12-20-2009 @ 3:57pm

And what about the violence being done against womwn and democratic dissenters as well as Taliban members by the US-backed warlords who now wield power in Afghanistan?

by: BlueDeacon

12-20-2009 @ 7:28pm

That's a futile and worn-out argument, frankly, because it blames a them for our country's problems without taking a very good look in the mirror. That kind of scapegoating is just what Hitler did in Germany.

by: pm_nels

02-17-2010 @ 5:21pm

"..but on the basis of rights which they shared with ALL men everywhere..."

Did all men include african slaves? Or Native Americans? Or (wo)men? This seems very much an ivory tower, academic theory you're referring to. Brian is not citing some academic principle articulated years ago, but a basic psychological reality of our day.

by: pm_nels

02-17-2010 @ 3:21pm

"..but on the basis of rights which they shared with ALL men everywhere..."

Did all men include african slaves? Or Native Americans? Or (wo)men? This seems very much an ivory tower, academic theory you're referring to. Brian is not citing some academic principle articulated years ago, but a basic psychological reality of our day.

by: bryan_85

01-02-2010 @ 3:10pm

If i am correct, USA did start a war. Read the Project for a New American Century(PNAC), then you will understand that USA started this war a long time ago. American emperialism is what is wrong with this world, if you want to look at it from a non-conspiratorial way of course.
Just playing devil's advocate now...what makes it so wrong for some "terrorists" to defend their way of life by flying planes into buildings and killing thousands of innocent people but "God's chosen USA" can drop bombs on innocent people in countries around the world?

by: bryan_85

01-02-2010 @ 3:13pm

No, the USA is not different than any other country in the world. You think you are free?? Our government doesn't make it obvious that they are taking our freedoms away like the nazis or the maoists did.
Take off the nationalist blindfold and see the USA for what it really is, the devils playground.

by: bryan_85

01-02-2010 @ 3:15pm

ckgmail...you are so right!

by: letjusticerolldown

12-18-2009 @ 5:16pm

No there is not an "us" and "them" which defines the line between "good" and "evil"--unless of course, the names of "us" and "them" are "kennedy" and "cheney."

by: pm_nels

02-17-2010 @ 5:21pm

"..but on the basis of rights which they shared with ALL men everywhere..."

Did all men include african slaves? Or Native Americans? Or (wo)men? This seems very much an ivory tower, academic theory you're referring to. Brian is not citing some academic principle articulated years ago, but a basic psychological reality of our day.

by: ckgmail

12-18-2009 @ 5:40pm

Brian McLaren didn't suggest that a line between kennedy and cheney, nor a line between Obama and Cheney, defines the line between good and evil.

by: taniacs

12-18-2009 @ 5:42pm

At approx. 2:50 in the video, Kennedy said "As the World Knows, the US will never start a war." That comment just really got to me. I wonder what Kennedy would have thought of the US during this first decade of the millennium. Thank you Mr. McLaren for this post, it's needed as I struggle to put my thoughts together about the current Afghanistan policy.

by: John Mulholland

12-18-2009 @ 7:58pm

Well, duh.

Is this your first time reading B-Mac?

by: letjusticerolldown

12-18-2009 @ 8:59pm

"... our nation is poised between the exceptionalism of Dick Cheney and the very different exceptionalism imagined by John F. Kennedy and affirmed by Barack Obama." B McLaren

Maybe I missed something, but it seems to be he drew a pretty distinct line between the two and exaggerated the views of both to get them into these distinct forms of exceptionalism. The exceptionalism of Kennedy, Cheney and Obama is best understood by integrating their words, policies and actions. e.g.It might help to reflect on Kennedy's 1963 speech in light of his injection of 16,000 troops into Vietnam.

by: letjusticerolldown

12-18-2009 @ 9:02pm

Kennedy could defend US invasions in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan as not "starting a war" just as he did not start a war at the Bay of Pigs or injecting 16,000 troops into Vietnam.

by: taniacs

12-19-2009 @ 4:33am

hmmm... as I said, I'm struggling to put thoughts together regarding Afgan policy and your point is well taken, and gave me lots more to think about. I'm not sure I can compare the outright declaration of War in Iraq against the Bay of Pigs conflict, but Vietnam gave me something to think about. I still hurts my heart to think about the Iraq War, which no one has been able to legitimize, despite attempts by Cheney and Co. to do just that.

by: bryan_85

01-02-2010 @ 3:10pm

If i am correct, USA did start a war. Read the Project for a New American Century(PNAC), then you will understand that USA started this war a long time ago. American emperialism is what is wrong with this world, if you want to look at it from a non-conspiratorial way of course.
Just playing devil's advocate now...what makes it so wrong for some "terrorists" to defend their way of life by flying planes into buildings and killing thousands of innocent people but "God's chosen USA" can drop bombs on innocent people in countries around the world?

by: bryan_85

01-02-2010 @ 3:13pm

No, the USA is not different than any other country in the world. You think you are free?? Our government doesn't make it obvious that they are taking our freedoms away like the nazis or the maoists did.
Take off the nationalist blindfold and see the USA for what it really is, the devils playground.

by: bryan_85

01-02-2010 @ 3:15pm

ckgmail...you are so right!

by: letjusticerolldown

12-18-2009 @ 5:16pm

No there is not an "us" and "them" which defines the line between "good" and "evil"--unless of course, the names of "us" and "them" are "kennedy" and "cheney."

by: ckgmail

12-18-2009 @ 5:40pm

Brian McLaren didn't suggest that a line between kennedy and cheney, nor a line between Obama and Cheney, defines the line between good and evil.

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by: letjusticerolldown

12-18-2009 @ 5:16pm

No there is not an "us" and "them" which defines the line between "good" and "evil"--unless of course, the names of "us" and "them" are "kennedy" and "cheney."

by: letjusticerolldown

12-18-2009 @ 5:16pm

No there is not an "us" and "them" which defines the line between "good" and "evil"--unless of course, the names of "us" and "them" are "kennedy" and "cheney."

by: ckgmail

12-18-2009 @ 5:40pm

Brian McLaren didn't suggest that a line between kennedy and cheney, nor a line between Obama and Cheney, defines the line between good and evil.

by: ckgmail

12-18-2009 @ 5:40pm

Brian McLaren didn't suggest that a line between kennedy and cheney, nor a line between Obama and Cheney, defines the line between good and evil.

by: taniacs

12-18-2009 @ 5:42pm

At approx. 2:50 in the video, Kennedy said "As the World Knows, the US will never start a war." That comment just really got to me. I wonder what Kennedy would have thought of the US during this first decade of the millennium. Thank you Mr. McLaren for this post, it's needed as I struggle to put my thoughts together about the current Afghanistan policy.

by: taniacs

12-18-2009 @ 5:42pm

At approx. 2:50 in the video, Kennedy said "As the World Knows, the US will never start a war." That comment just really got to me. I wonder what Kennedy would have thought of the US during this first decade of the millennium. Thank you Mr. McLaren for this post, it's needed as I struggle to put my thoughts together about the current Afghanistan policy.

by: John Mulholland

12-18-2009 @ 7:58pm

Well, duh.

Is this your first time reading B-Mac?

by: John Mulholland

12-18-2009 @ 7:58pm

Well, duh.

Is this your first time reading B-Mac?

by: letjusticerolldown

12-18-2009 @ 8:59pm

"... our nation is poised between the exceptionalism of Dick Cheney and the very different exceptionalism imagined by John F. Kennedy and affirmed by Barack Obama." B McLaren

Maybe I missed something, but it seems to be he drew a pretty distinct line between the two and exaggerated the views of both to get them into these distinct forms of exceptionalism. The exceptionalism of Kennedy, Cheney and Obama is best understood by integrating their words, policies and actions. e.g.It might help to reflect on Kennedy's 1963 speech in light of his injection of 16,000 troops into Vietnam.

by: letjusticerolldown

12-18-2009 @ 8:59pm

"... our nation is poised between the exceptionalism of Dick Cheney and the very different exceptionalism imagined by John F. Kennedy and affirmed by Barack Obama." B McLaren

Maybe I missed something, but it seems to be he drew a pretty distinct line between the two and exaggerated the views of both to get them into these distinct forms of exceptionalism. The exceptionalism of Kennedy, Cheney and Obama is best understood by integrating their words, policies and actions. e.g.It might help to reflect on Kennedy's 1963 speech in light of his injection of 16,000 troops into Vietnam.

by: letjusticerolldown

12-18-2009 @ 9:02pm

Kennedy could defend US invasions in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan as not "starting a war" just as he did not start a war at the Bay of Pigs or injecting 16,000 troops into Vietnam.

by: letjusticerolldown

12-18-2009 @ 9:02pm

Kennedy could defend US invasions in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan as not "starting a war" just as he did not start a war at the Bay of Pigs or injecting 16,000 troops into Vietnam.

by: taniacs

12-19-2009 @ 4:33am

hmmm... as I said, I'm struggling to put thoughts together regarding Afgan policy and your point is well taken, and gave me lots more to think about. I'm not sure I can compare the outright declaration of War in Iraq against the Bay of Pigs conflict, but Vietnam gave me something to think about. I still hurts my heart to think about the Iraq War, which no one has been able to legitimize, despite attempts by Cheney and Co. to do just that.

by: taniacs

12-19-2009 @ 4:33am

hmmm... as I said, I'm struggling to put thoughts together regarding Afgan policy and your point is well taken, and gave me lots more to think about. I'm not sure I can compare the outright declaration of War in Iraq against the Bay of Pigs conflict, but Vietnam gave me something to think about. I still hurts my heart to think about the Iraq War, which no one has been able to legitimize, despite attempts by Cheney and Co. to do just that.

by: fundamentalist

12-19-2009 @ 12:32pm

So the US is not different from any other country in the world in any way? Let's start with some obvious examples: North Korea, Iran?

by: fundamentalist

12-19-2009 @ 12:32pm

So the US is not different from any other country in the world in any way? Let's start with some obvious examples: North Korea, Iran?

by: SisterMarie

12-19-2009 @ 1:18pm

"...that America is elite and exceptional, morally superior, divinely privileged, or in other ways on a level above all other nations of the world."

It's somewhat ironic that this charge is coming from someone who can't even go hunting without shooting a friend.

by: SisterMarie

12-19-2009 @ 1:18pm

"...that America is elite and exceptional, morally superior, divinely privileged, or in other ways on a level above all other nations of the world."

It's somewhat ironic that this charge is coming from someone who can't even go hunting without shooting a friend.

by: John Mulholland

12-19-2009 @ 4:05pm

"It's somewhat ironic that this charge is coming from someone who can't even go hunting without shooting a friend."

Keeping it classy.

by: John Mulholland

12-19-2009 @ 4:05pm

"It's somewhat ironic that this charge is coming from someone who can't even go hunting without shooting a friend."

Keeping it classy.

by: DITE

12-19-2009 @ 7:45pm

"...the doctrine that America is elite and exceptional, morally superior, divinely privileged, or in other ways on a level above all other nations of the world."

This is no where close to what is meant by American Exceptionalism. It primarily refers to the unique manner in which America was formed. McLaren has no idea what he's talking about.

It's hard to explain AE succinctly, but Harry Jaffa has a pretty good start:

"What it meant was the American people in declaring their independence did so not on the basis of unique rights or privileges that THEY had, but on the basis of rights which they shared with ALL men everywhere. No other people had ever done such a thing."

by: DITE

12-19-2009 @ 7:45pm

"...the doctrine that America is elite and exceptional, morally superior, divinely privileged, or in other ways on a level above all other nations of the world."

This is no where close to what is meant by American Exceptionalism. It primarily refers to the unique manner in which America was formed. McLaren has no idea what he's talking about.

It's hard to explain AE succinctly, but Harry Jaffa has a pretty good start:

"What it meant was the American people in declaring their independence did so not on the basis of unique rights or privileges that THEY had, but on the basis of rights which they shared with ALL men everywhere. No other people had ever done such a thing."

by: WB123

12-19-2009 @ 8:32pm

Most of the Religious Left on this blog would think those countries are far superior to the United States.

by: WB123

12-19-2009 @ 8:32pm

Most of the Religious Left on this blog would think those countries are far superior to the United States.

by: squeaky

12-19-2009 @ 9:22pm

Nope.

by: squeaky

12-19-2009 @ 9:22pm

Nope.

by: hammerud

12-19-2009 @ 11:27pm

We need to get back to our Judeo-Christian roots and also to the Constitution. Then we can be an example to the world. We're definitely on the wrong path now.

by: hammerud

12-19-2009 @ 11:27pm

We need to get back to our Judeo-Christian roots and also to the Constitution. Then we can be an example to the world. We're definitely on the wrong path now.

by: Minnesotan

12-19-2009 @ 11:48pm

I am bothered by the moral equivalency that Brian McLaren engages in when he criticizes the use of "violence." Certainly there is a huge moral distinction between what the Taliban and Al Queda did to Afghanistan, and would do again, unless they were stopped by NATO troops, including many U.S. troops. One would be foolish to equate the actions of a policeman and a rapist as "violent," when the policeman shoots the rapist while he was attacking a woman.

It seems to me that it is "peacemaking" and "prolife" to use the U.S. military to stop warlike and anti-life forces like Al Queda and the Taliban, just as we use armed police officers to maintain order and stop violent criminals.

by: Minnesotan

12-19-2009 @ 11:48pm

I am bothered by the moral equivalency that Brian McLaren engages in when he criticizes the use of "violence." Certainly there is a huge moral distinction between what the Taliban and Al Queda did to Afghanistan, and would do again, unless they were stopped by NATO troops, including many U.S. troops. One would be foolish to equate the actions of a policeman and a rapist as "violent," when the policeman shoots the rapist while he was attacking a woman.

It seems to me that it is "peacemaking" and "prolife" to use the U.S. military to stop warlike and anti-life forces like Al Queda and the Taliban, just as we use armed police officers to maintain order and stop violent criminals.

by: BlueDeacon

12-20-2009 @ 1:16am

By whose standards? If we think we have the right to push people around, beating our chests and insisting on our superiority rather than acting with and in humility, we spit on the Constitution and make a mockery of Jesus Christ.

by: BlueDeacon

12-20-2009 @ 1:16am

By whose standards? If we think we have the right to push people around, beating our chests and insisting on our superiority rather than acting with and in humility, we spit on the Constitution and make a mockery of Jesus Christ.

by: hammerud

12-20-2009 @ 8:28am

Since we have allowed secular-humanism to be the dominant influence in
our society, our culture no longer has reliable standards.

by: hammerud

12-20-2009 @ 8:28am

Since we have allowed secular-humanism to be the dominant influence in
our society, our culture no longer has reliable standards.

by: ckgmail

12-20-2009 @ 3:02pm

When did secular humanism become the dominant influence in our society. What was the dominant influence at the Sand Creek Massacre, at Wounded Knee, at the forced march of Cherokees, Choctaws and others on the Trail of Tears? What was the dominant influence when we subjugated the Filipino people. Was this American Exceptionalism?

by: ckgmail

12-20-2009 @ 3:02pm

When did secular humanism become the dominant influence in our society. What was the dominant influence at the Sand Creek Massacre, at Wounded Knee, at the forced march of Cherokees, Choctaws and others on the Trail of Tears? What was the dominant influence when we subjugated the Filipino people. Was this American Exceptionalism?

by: duhsciple

12-20-2009 @ 3:23pm

wow, I just found this comment... you really believe this?

i am tremendously saddened that the left and the right think the worst about one another

by: duhsciple

12-20-2009 @ 3:23pm

wow, I just found this comment... you really believe this?

i am tremendously saddened that the left and the right think the worst about one another

by: duhsciple

12-20-2009 @ 3:26pm

Simplify it for me. What is the "norm" to which America is the "exception"? I'm reading a lot of arguing back and forth, but I cannot figure out what the argument is about.

by: duhsciple

12-20-2009 @ 3:26pm

Simplify it for me. What is the "norm" to which America is the "exception"? I'm reading a lot of arguing back and forth, but I cannot figure out what the argument is about.

by: JoannaCW

12-20-2009 @ 3:57pm

And what about the violence being done against womwn and democratic dissenters as well as Taliban members by the US-backed warlords who now wield power in Afghanistan?

by: JoannaCW

12-20-2009 @ 3:57pm

And what about the violence being done against womwn and democratic dissenters as well as Taliban members by the US-backed warlords who now wield power in Afghanistan?

by: BlueDeacon

12-20-2009 @ 7:28pm

That's a futile and worn-out argument, frankly, because it blames a them for our country's problems without taking a very good look in the mirror. That kind of scapegoating is just what Hitler did in Germany.

by: BlueDeacon

12-20-2009 @ 7:28pm

That's a futile and worn-out argument, frankly, because it blames a them for our country's problems without taking a very good look in the mirror. That kind of scapegoating is just what Hitler did in Germany.

by: bryan_85

01-02-2010 @ 3:10pm

If i am correct, USA did start a war. Read the Project for a New American Century(PNAC), then you will understand that USA started this war a long time ago. American emperialism is what is wrong with this world, if you want to look at it from a non-conspiratorial way of course.
Just playing devil's advocate now...what makes it so wrong for some "terrorists" to defend their way of life by flying planes into buildings and killing thousands of innocent people but "God's chosen USA" can drop bombs on innocent people in countries around the world?

by: bryan_85

01-02-2010 @ 3:10pm

If i am correct, USA did start a war. Read the Project for a New American Century(PNAC), then you will understand that USA started this war a long time ago. American emperialism is what is wrong with this world, if you want to look at it from a non-conspiratorial way of course.
Just playing devil's advocate now...what makes it so wrong for some "terrorists" to defend their way of life by flying planes into buildings and killing thousands of innocent people but "God's chosen USA" can drop bombs on innocent people in countries around the world?

by: bryan_85

01-02-2010 @ 3:13pm

No, the USA is not different than any other country in the world. You think you are free?? Our government doesn't make it obvious that they are taking our freedoms away like the nazis or the maoists did.
Take off the nationalist blindfold and see the USA for what it really is, the devils playground.

by: bryan_85

01-02-2010 @ 3:13pm

No, the USA is not different than any other country in the world. You think you are free?? Our government doesn't make it obvious that they are taking our freedoms away like the nazis or the maoists did.
Take off the nationalist blindfold and see the USA for what it really is, the devils playground.

by: bryan_85

01-02-2010 @ 3:15pm

ckgmail...you are so right!

by: bryan_85

01-02-2010 @ 3:15pm

ckgmail...you are so right!