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Copenhagen's Train Wreck: Neither Ambitious, Fair, nor Binding

In cold, sleeplessness and utter frustration, Copenhagen's delegates witnessed a depressing conclusion of the glacial-speed negotiations on climate change. What started with such high hopes after Bali 2007, promising ' an ambitious, fair and binding deal', ended in a train wreck.

Of course, the political spin is that we narrowed the gap between the huge national-interest differences, and we have a way forward. But even Obama's facility for words could not hide the truth - "we have made a meaningful and unprecedented breakthrough here in Copenhagen...(but) this progress is not enough." Indeed. Neither ambitious, fair, nor binding. It failed consummately by its own measurement.

More scathing was Ian Fry, the negotiator for threatened Tuvalu whose tears had electrified the plenary and who believes that the Accord's poorly defined emissions would lead to the tiny island nation being inundated without promised funding now on offer solving anything. His summation: "In biblical terms it looks like we are being offered 30 pieces of silver to betray our future." Between these sentiments was probably the more realistic opinion of my own Prime Minister, Kevin Rudd, "some will be disappointed by the amount of progress, (but) the alternative was, frankly, catastrophic collapse."

So what did we leave with? A Copenhagen Accord that was not endorsed by the Conference - only 'noted'.

The draft said we would keep global warming below 2 degrees (which scientists tell us only gives a 50% chance of avoiding natural catstrophe) but it does not identify a year by which emissions should peak. The rich nations pledges do not yet add up to keeping us below 2 degrees. On a 1990 baseline, Europe is the stand out with a 20% cut by 2020- Australia 15% and the US 4%.

Countries under the Accord are asked to spell out in the next five weeks - by Feb 1, 2010 - their pledges for curbing carbon emissions. But the deal does not spell out penalties for any country that fails to meet its promise. There is no deadline for transforming the Accord's objectives into a legally binding treaty when everyone expected, at very least, the text would demand a treaty before the end of next year.

Neither does it endorse the goal of halving the world's carbon pollution by mid-century, thanks to objections from China and India.

On verification, the pledges of rich countries will come under scrutiny under the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change but developing countres like China will merely submit national reports on their emission pledges under a method that ' will ensure that national sovereignty is respected' - for this, read lack of transparency and trust.

Two bright points did emerge - some developing nation leaders reached their hands across to the West, Ethiopia in particular, which helped keep the dying embers glowing. And the announcement by Hilary Clinton of the US support for $100 billion/annum funding for poor nations by 2020 - although details unclear - also lifted flagging spirits. In the end, both moves were too late to rescue the miserly outcome. The UN's two snail-paced years for progress were largely rewritten into a hasty saving of face, barely keeping the global process alive.

The skeptics dancing on the skeleton of this train wreck are more chilling.

How can a world that desperately needs international leadership to address what 130 leaders (and 194 nations) from the political right , centre and left all regard as our planet's greatest danger, rejoice in its failure? This is not just an environmental mess. It is a humanitarian disaster, and for the world's poor and the unborn we must try again. Amongst the citizens in the West, the political divide is no longer right or left but "expanders versus restrainers". Between those who say keep our carbon fuelled lifestyles and profligate use of energy, and those who say we must consider our neighbour, restrain, and move to low-carbon economies whatever the pain of adjustment.

Tim Costello is CEO of World Vision Australia.

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by: Yornaning

12-23-2009 @ 10:13pm

I guess I'm going to seem like an apologist for Tim Costello, for those outside Australia who've never heard of him. But people overseas never seem to know anywhere near as much about us, as we have to know about them (read the blog on Obama's exceptionalism).

Tim is trained minister, a lawyer, who has worked with the poor in some of the worst areas of our second largest city for many years. His brother was Australia's version of Secretary to the Treasury for 11 years or so, and as Deputy leader of the largest political party in Oz, just one step away from being Prime Minister. This didn't hold back Tim's criticism of the Government of Australia for those 11 years. Would have made for extremely explosive Costello family Christmas get togethers.

In many ways, Tim is Australia's version of Jim Wallace. I can't think of a single other person who is as recognisably politically non-partisan, as clearly Christ centred and accepted in the general mind of Aussies, and although Baptist, has never made a show of his denominational choice. Every other significant commentator I can think of has clear political leanings, clear religious choices, or particular axe to grind.

Given his non-partisan political influence, I think Tim has a duty to speak out. I think the doctrine of separation of Church and State, means that one doesn't coerce the other (as has also happened her, and seems to be a special talent of the American religious right), but if Christians do not use the political systems to try to convince the politicians, to improve the future for all, then I think they are derelict in their duty.

I live in outback Oz, a semi-desert part of West Oz. I've lived in grain growing, and semi-desert areas for 22 of the past 30 years. We don't have a choice about believing in climate change or not - we see it, experience it, have to plan for it every year. Whether they realise it or not, we are already seeing climate change refugees in Australia. Two years ago, after 8 years of less than half the average rainfall, the town I live in had a slightly above average rainfall (about 11-12 inches a year) for the year. The problem was that about 70% of it fell in one 10 hour period. I recall a representative of the top Australian scientific agency saying in a meeting about 4 years ago, that from memory) parts of West Oz are anticipated to be in the top 2% of the most affected areas in the world as far as rainfall goes, over the next 50 years. We're seeing it now.

So, as far as I'm can see, this is a bit like a medical emergency. The symptoms of climate change do need to be addressed, and can be through a multitude of charitable organisations - feeding, clothing, housing, education, equality, opportunity. If we don't, it costs people their lives. But this is only treating the symptoms, and not doing anything about the causes. It is only political will, effort and determination that will address the causes.

Tim's primary driver for attending the Copenhagen Kerfuffle was stated in his last paragraph, that - It is a humanitarian disaster, and for the world's poor and the unborn we must try again.

Shame those that can influence the causes most, didn't / can't / won't acknowledge that more.

by: Yornaning

12-24-2009 @ 12:13am

I guess I'm going to seem like an apologist for Tim Costello, for those outside Australia who've never heard of him. But people overseas never seem to know anywhere near as much about us, as we have to know about them (read the blog on Obama's exceptionalism).

Tim is trained minister, a lawyer, who has worked with the poor in some of the worst areas of our second largest city for many years. His brother was Australia's version of Secretary to the Treasury for 11 years or so, and as Deputy leader of the largest political party in Oz, just one step away from being Prime Minister. This didn't hold back Tim's criticism of the Government of Australia for those 11 years. Would have made for extremely explosive Costello family Christmas get togethers.

In many ways, Tim is Australia's version of Jim Wallace. I can't think of a single other person who is as recognisably politically non-partisan, as clearly Christ centred and accepted in the general mind of Aussies, and although Baptist, has never made a show of his denominational choice. Every other significant commentator I can think of has clear political leanings, clear religious choices, or particular axe to grind.

Given his non-partisan political influence, I think Tim has a duty to speak out. I think the doctrine of separation of Church and State, means that one doesn't coerce the other (as has also happened her, and seems to be a special talent of the American religious right), but if Christians do not use the political systems to try to convince the politicians, to improve the future for all, then I think they are derelict in their duty.

I live in outback Oz, a semi-desert part of West Oz. I've lived in grain growing, and semi-desert areas for 22 of the past 30 years. We don't have a choice about believing in climate change or not - we see it, experience it, have to plan for it every year. Whether they realise it or not, we are already seeing climate change refugees in Australia. Two years ago, after 8 years of less than half the average rainfall, the town I live in had a slightly above average rainfall (about 11-12 inches a year) for the year. The problem was that about 70% of it fell in one 10 hour period. I recall a representative of the top Australian scientific agency saying in a meeting about 4 years ago, that from memory) parts of West Oz are anticipated to be in the top 2% of the most affected areas in the world as far as rainfall goes, over the next 50 years. We're seeing it now.

So, as far as I'm can see, this is a bit like a medical emergency. The symptoms of climate change do need to be addressed, and can be through a multitude of charitable organisations - feeding, clothing, housing, education, equality, opportunity. If we don't, it costs people their lives. But this is only treating the symptoms, and not doing anything about the causes. It is only political will, effort and determination that will address the causes.

Tim's primary driver for attending the Copenhagen Kerfuffle was stated in his last paragraph, that - It is a humanitarian disaster, and for the world's poor and the unborn we must try again.

Shame those that can influence the causes most, didn't / can't / won't acknowledge that more.

by: pcnot4me

12-21-2009 @ 1:44pm

The real tragedy is an organization like WorldVision spending it's resources on a political issue like climate change instead of spending it on poor children like is your stated mission.

Think about all those in poverty that could be helped with the money you spend on this farce. That's one of the reasons I support WorldHelp instead of World Vision.

by: fundamentalist

12-21-2009 @ 1:52pm

Roger Simon blog:
Copenhagen Wrap-up: "I have seen the future and it stinks!"
I am only just back last night from the Copenhagen UN climate change conference, yet am convinced of the accuracy of my headline

by: SisterMarie

12-21-2009 @ 2:23pm

Any original thoughts that I could not have read by going to Limbaugh's and Hannity's web sites? Sounds to me like jet lag started setting in way up in paragraph 1. Rantings are good competitor for the Darwin Awards - but wait you don't think he was credible either!

by: John Mulholland

12-21-2009 @ 2:29pm

Bali 2007- "Fool me once"

Copenhagen 2009- "Fool me twice"

by: fundamentalist

12-21-2009 @ 4:00pm

Do you even know who Roger Simon is?

by: justintime

12-21-2009 @ 4:47pm

Politically illiterate Hollywood screenwriter and author of mystery potboilers.

by: SisterMarie

12-21-2009 @ 5:34pm

Garfunkel's brother?

But thanks to your question, I did take the time to google his name and I learned that he is "...Roger Lichtenberg Simon is an American mystery author, blogger and screenwriter. He is currently the CEO of Pajamas Media and lives in California."

I found nothing that would enhance his credibility on the subject of the environment beyond the qualifications of you (and me).

by: pcnot4me

12-21-2009 @ 1:44pm

The real tragedy is an organization like WorldVision spending it's resources on a political issue like climate change instead of spending it on poor children like is your stated mission.

Think about all those in poverty that could be helped with the money you spend on this farce. That's one of the reasons I support WorldHelp instead of World Vision.

by: fundamentalist

12-21-2009 @ 1:52pm

Roger Simon blog:
Copenhagen Wrap-up: "I have seen the future and it stinks!"
I am only just back last night from the Copenhagen UN climate change conference, yet am convinced of the accuracy of my headline

by: SisterMarie

12-21-2009 @ 2:23pm

Any original thoughts that I could not have read by going to Limbaugh's and Hannity's web sites? Sounds to me like jet lag started setting in way up in paragraph 1. Rantings are good competitor for the Darwin Awards - but wait you don't think he was credible either!

by: John Mulholland

12-21-2009 @ 2:29pm

Bali 2007- "Fool me once"

Copenhagen 2009- "Fool me twice"

by: fundamentalist

12-21-2009 @ 4:00pm

Do you even know who Roger Simon is?

by: fundamentalist

12-22-2009 @ 12:45am

Doesn't it strike you as odd that a Hollywood insider would criticize the meeting? He has made the long journey from typical Hollywood Marxist to libertarianism.

by: justintime

12-21-2009 @ 4:47pm

Politically illiterate Hollywood screenwriter and author of mystery potboilers.

by: SisterMarie

12-21-2009 @ 5:34pm

Garfunkel's brother?

But thanks to your question, I did take the time to google his name and I learned that he is "...Roger Lichtenberg Simon is an American mystery author, blogger and screenwriter. He is currently the CEO of Pajamas Media and lives in California."

I found nothing that would enhance his credibility on the subject of the environment beyond the qualifications of you (and me).

by: squeaky

12-22-2009 @ 5:32am

"typical Hollywood Marxist"

Wow. You just have a label for everyone, don't you? Must be nice living in a world inhabited by stereotypes. I'm sure it makes things much easier when you can just dismiss this person as a Marxist, that person a socialist, that person over there as a CO2-phobe, that person way over there where you can barely see him as a flaming cheesehead.

by: RobTam

12-22-2009 @ 6:45am

Personally, I believe that this "train wreck" will ultimately prove to be a great blessing in disguise. With the political hoopla now placed on the backburner, it is time for the real investigations into the state of the science to begin in earnest. Progressive revelations are mounting from the Climategate letters that demonstrate that over and over again the science has suffered at the hands of a few zealots, and that what we have for a scientific core to the AGW hypothesis is so conflicted that there is little that can be justifiably relied upon to formulate international policy that will ultimate cost multiple trillions of dollars. Let's get back to the science!

by: fundamentalist

12-22-2009 @ 12:37pm

Exactly! With the main data sets that the science depends on destroyed or tampered with, it's going to take years to sort out the truth.

by: fundamentalist

12-22-2009 @ 12:45am

Doesn't it strike you as odd that a Hollywood insider would criticize the meeting? He has made the long journey from typical Hollywood Marxist to libertarianism.

by: squeaky

12-22-2009 @ 5:32am

"typical Hollywood Marxist"

Wow. You just have a label for everyone, don't you? Must be nice living in a world inhabited by stereotypes. I'm sure it makes things much easier when you can just dismiss this person as a Marxist, that person a socialist, that person over there as a CO2-phobe, that person way over there where you can barely see him as a flaming cheesehead.

by: RobTam

12-22-2009 @ 6:45am

Personally, I believe that this "train wreck" will ultimately prove to be a great blessing in disguise. With the political hoopla now placed on the backburner, it is time for the real investigations into the state of the science to begin in earnest. Progressive revelations are mounting from the Climategate letters that demonstrate that over and over again the science has suffered at the hands of a few zealots, and that what we have for a scientific core to the AGW hypothesis is so conflicted that there is little that can be justifiably relied upon to formulate international policy that will ultimate cost multiple trillions of dollars. Let's get back to the science!

by: fundamentalist

12-22-2009 @ 12:37pm

Exactly! With the main data sets that the science depends on destroyed or tampered with, it's going to take years to sort out the truth.

by: Yornaning

12-24-2009 @ 12:13am

I guess I'm going to seem like an apologist for Tim Costello, for those outside Australia who've never heard of him. But people overseas never seem to know anywhere near as much about us, as we have to know about them (read the blog on Obama's exceptionalism).

Tim is trained minister, a lawyer, who has worked with the poor in some of the worst areas of our second largest city for many years. His brother was Australia's version of Secretary to the Treasury for 11 years or so, and as Deputy leader of the largest political party in Oz, just one step away from being Prime Minister. This didn't hold back Tim's criticism of the Government of Australia for those 11 years. Would have made for extremely explosive Costello family Christmas get togethers.

In many ways, Tim is Australia's version of Jim Wallace. I can't think of a single other person who is as recognisably politically non-partisan, as clearly Christ centred and accepted in the general mind of Aussies, and although Baptist, has never made a show of his denominational choice. Every other significant commentator I can think of has clear political leanings, clear religious choices, or particular axe to grind.

Given his non-partisan political influence, I think Tim has a duty to speak out. I think the doctrine of separation of Church and State, means that one doesn't coerce the other (as has also happened her, and seems to be a special talent of the American religious right), but if Christians do not use the political systems to try to convince the politicians, to improve the future for all, then I think they are derelict in their duty.

I live in outback Oz, a semi-desert part of West Oz. I've lived in grain growing, and semi-desert areas for 22 of the past 30 years. We don't have a choice about believing in climate change or not - we see it, experience it, have to plan for it every year. Whether they realise it or not, we are already seeing climate change refugees in Australia. Two years ago, after 8 years of less than half the average rainfall, the town I live in had a slightly above average rainfall (about 11-12 inches a year) for the year. The problem was that about 70% of it fell in one 10 hour period. I recall a representative of the top Australian scientific agency saying in a meeting about 4 years ago, that from memory) parts of West Oz are anticipated to be in the top 2% of the most affected areas in the world as far as rainfall goes, over the next 50 years. We're seeing it now.

So, as far as I'm can see, this is a bit like a medical emergency. The symptoms of climate change do need to be addressed, and can be through a multitude of charitable organisations - feeding, clothing, housing, education, equality, opportunity. If we don't, it costs people their lives. But this is only treating the symptoms, and not doing anything about the causes. It is only political will, effort and determination that will address the causes.

Tim's primary driver for attending the Copenhagen Kerfuffle was stated in his last paragraph, that - It is a humanitarian disaster, and for the world's poor and the unborn we must try again.

Shame those that can influence the causes most, didn't / can't / won't acknowledge that more.

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by: Yornaning

12-23-2009 @ 10:13pm

I guess I'm going to seem like an apologist for Tim Costello, for those outside Australia who've never heard of him. But people overseas never seem to know anywhere near as much about us, as we have to know about them (read the blog on Obama's exceptionalism).

Tim is trained minister, a lawyer, who has worked with the poor in some of the worst areas of our second largest city for many years. His brother was Australia's version of Secretary to the Treasury for 11 years or so, and as Deputy leader of the largest political party in Oz, just one step away from being Prime Minister. This didn't hold back Tim's criticism of the Government of Australia for those 11 years. Would have made for extremely explosive Costello family Christmas get togethers.

In many ways, Tim is Australia's version of Jim Wallace. I can't think of a single other person who is as recognisably politically non-partisan, as clearly Christ centred and accepted in the general mind of Aussies, and although Baptist, has never made a show of his denominational choice. Every other significant commentator I can think of has clear political leanings, clear religious choices, or particular axe to grind.

Given his non-partisan political influence, I think Tim has a duty to speak out. I think the doctrine of separation of Church and State, means that one doesn't coerce the other (as has also happened her, and seems to be a special talent of the American religious right), but if Christians do not use the political systems to try to convince the politicians, to improve the future for all, then I think they are derelict in their duty.

I live in outback Oz, a semi-desert part of West Oz. I've lived in grain growing, and semi-desert areas for 22 of the past 30 years. We don't have a choice about believing in climate change or not - we see it, experience it, have to plan for it every year. Whether they realise it or not, we are already seeing climate change refugees in Australia. Two years ago, after 8 years of less than half the average rainfall, the town I live in had a slightly above average rainfall (about 11-12 inches a year) for the year. The problem was that about 70% of it fell in one 10 hour period. I recall a representative of the top Australian scientific agency saying in a meeting about 4 years ago, that from memory) parts of West Oz are anticipated to be in the top 2% of the most affected areas in the world as far as rainfall goes, over the next 50 years. We're seeing it now.

So, as far as I'm can see, this is a bit like a medical emergency. The symptoms of climate change do need to be addressed, and can be through a multitude of charitable organisations - feeding, clothing, housing, education, equality, opportunity. If we don't, it costs people their lives. But this is only treating the symptoms, and not doing anything about the causes. It is only political will, effort and determination that will address the causes.

Tim's primary driver for attending the Copenhagen Kerfuffle was stated in his last paragraph, that - It is a humanitarian disaster, and for the world's poor and the unborn we must try again.

Shame those that can influence the causes most, didn't / can't / won't acknowledge that more.

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by: pcnot4me

12-21-2009 @ 1:44pm

The real tragedy is an organization like WorldVision spending it's resources on a political issue like climate change instead of spending it on poor children like is your stated mission.

Think about all those in poverty that could be helped with the money you spend on this farce. That's one of the reasons I support WorldHelp instead of World Vision.

by: pcnot4me

12-21-2009 @ 1:44pm

The real tragedy is an organization like WorldVision spending it's resources on a political issue like climate change instead of spending it on poor children like is your stated mission.

Think about all those in poverty that could be helped with the money you spend on this farce. That's one of the reasons I support WorldHelp instead of World Vision.

by: fundamentalist

12-21-2009 @ 1:52pm

Roger Simon blog:
Copenhagen Wrap-up: "I have seen the future and it stinks!"
I am only just back last night from the Copenhagen UN climate change conference, yet am convinced of the accuracy of my headline

by: fundamentalist

12-21-2009 @ 1:52pm

Roger Simon blog:
Copenhagen Wrap-up: "I have seen the future and it stinks!"
I am only just back last night from the Copenhagen UN climate change conference, yet am convinced of the accuracy of my headline

by: SisterMarie

12-21-2009 @ 2:23pm

Any original thoughts that I could not have read by going to Limbaugh's and Hannity's web sites? Sounds to me like jet lag started setting in way up in paragraph 1. Rantings are good competitor for the Darwin Awards - but wait you don't think he was credible either!

by: SisterMarie

12-21-2009 @ 2:23pm

Any original thoughts that I could not have read by going to Limbaugh's and Hannity's web sites? Sounds to me like jet lag started setting in way up in paragraph 1. Rantings are good competitor for the Darwin Awards - but wait you don't think he was credible either!

by: John Mulholland

12-21-2009 @ 2:29pm

Bali 2007- "Fool me once"

Copenhagen 2009- "Fool me twice"

by: John Mulholland

12-21-2009 @ 2:29pm

Bali 2007- "Fool me once"

Copenhagen 2009- "Fool me twice"

by: fundamentalist

12-21-2009 @ 4:00pm

Do you even know who Roger Simon is?

by: fundamentalist

12-21-2009 @ 4:00pm

Do you even know who Roger Simon is?

by: justintime

12-21-2009 @ 4:47pm

Politically illiterate Hollywood screenwriter and author of mystery potboilers.

by: justintime

12-21-2009 @ 4:47pm

Politically illiterate Hollywood screenwriter and author of mystery potboilers.

by: SisterMarie

12-21-2009 @ 5:34pm

Garfunkel's brother?

But thanks to your question, I did take the time to google his name and I learned that he is "...Roger Lichtenberg Simon is an American mystery author, blogger and screenwriter. He is currently the CEO of Pajamas Media and lives in California."

I found nothing that would enhance his credibility on the subject of the environment beyond the qualifications of you (and me).

by: SisterMarie

12-21-2009 @ 5:34pm

Garfunkel's brother?

But thanks to your question, I did take the time to google his name and I learned that he is "...Roger Lichtenberg Simon is an American mystery author, blogger and screenwriter. He is currently the CEO of Pajamas Media and lives in California."

I found nothing that would enhance his credibility on the subject of the environment beyond the qualifications of you (and me).

by: fundamentalist

12-22-2009 @ 12:45am

Doesn't it strike you as odd that a Hollywood insider would criticize the meeting? He has made the long journey from typical Hollywood Marxist to libertarianism.

by: fundamentalist

12-22-2009 @ 12:45am

Doesn't it strike you as odd that a Hollywood insider would criticize the meeting? He has made the long journey from typical Hollywood Marxist to libertarianism.

by: squeaky

12-22-2009 @ 5:32am

"typical Hollywood Marxist"

Wow. You just have a label for everyone, don't you? Must be nice living in a world inhabited by stereotypes. I'm sure it makes things much easier when you can just dismiss this person as a Marxist, that person a socialist, that person over there as a CO2-phobe, that person way over there where you can barely see him as a flaming cheesehead.

by: squeaky

12-22-2009 @ 5:32am

"typical Hollywood Marxist"

Wow. You just have a label for everyone, don't you? Must be nice living in a world inhabited by stereotypes. I'm sure it makes things much easier when you can just dismiss this person as a Marxist, that person a socialist, that person over there as a CO2-phobe, that person way over there where you can barely see him as a flaming cheesehead.

by: RobTam

12-22-2009 @ 6:45am

Personally, I believe that this "train wreck" will ultimately prove to be a great blessing in disguise. With the political hoopla now placed on the backburner, it is time for the real investigations into the state of the science to begin in earnest. Progressive revelations are mounting from the Climategate letters that demonstrate that over and over again the science has suffered at the hands of a few zealots, and that what we have for a scientific core to the AGW hypothesis is so conflicted that there is little that can be justifiably relied upon to formulate international policy that will ultimate cost multiple trillions of dollars. Let's get back to the science!

by: RobTam

12-22-2009 @ 6:45am

Personally, I believe that this "train wreck" will ultimately prove to be a great blessing in disguise. With the political hoopla now placed on the backburner, it is time for the real investigations into the state of the science to begin in earnest. Progressive revelations are mounting from the Climategate letters that demonstrate that over and over again the science has suffered at the hands of a few zealots, and that what we have for a scientific core to the AGW hypothesis is so conflicted that there is little that can be justifiably relied upon to formulate international policy that will ultimate cost multiple trillions of dollars. Let's get back to the science!

by: fundamentalist

12-22-2009 @ 12:37pm

Exactly! With the main data sets that the science depends on destroyed or tampered with, it's going to take years to sort out the truth.

by: fundamentalist

12-22-2009 @ 12:37pm

Exactly! With the main data sets that the science depends on destroyed or tampered with, it's going to take years to sort out the truth.

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by: Yornaning

12-23-2009 @ 10:13pm

I guess I'm going to seem like an apologist for Tim Costello, for those outside Australia who've never heard of him. But people overseas never seem to know anywhere near as much about us, as we have to know about them (read the blog on Obama's exceptionalism).

Tim is trained minister, a lawyer, who has worked with the poor in some of the worst areas of our second largest city for many years. His brother was Australia's version of Secretary to the Treasury for 11 years or so, and as Deputy leader of the largest political party in Oz, just one step away from being Prime Minister. This didn't hold back Tim's criticism of the Government of Australia for those 11 years. Would have made for extremely explosive Costello family Christmas get togethers.

In many ways, Tim is Australia's version of Jim Wallace. I can't think of a single other person who is as recognisably politically non-partisan, as clearly Christ centred and accepted in the general mind of Aussies, and although Baptist, has never made a show of his denominational choice. Every other significant commentator I can think of has clear political leanings, clear religious choices, or particular axe to grind.

Given his non-partisan political influence, I think Tim has a duty to speak out. I think the doctrine of separation of Church and State, means that one doesn't coerce the other (as has also happened her, and seems to be a special talent of the American religious right), but if Christians do not use the political systems to try to convince the politicians, to improve the future for all, then I think they are derelict in their duty.

I live in outback Oz, a semi-desert part of West Oz. I've lived in grain growing, and semi-desert areas for 22 of the past 30 years. We don't have a choice about believing in climate change or not - we see it, experience it, have to plan for it every year. Whether they realise it or not, we are already seeing climate change refugees in Australia. Two years ago, after 8 years of less than half the average rainfall, the town I live in had a slightly above average rainfall (about 11-12 inches a year) for the year. The problem was that about 70% of it fell in one 10 hour period. I recall a representative of the top Australian scientific agency saying in a meeting about 4 years ago, that from memory) parts of West Oz are anticipated to be in the top 2% of the most affected areas in the world as far as rainfall goes, over the next 50 years. We're seeing it now.

So, as far as I'm can see, this is a bit like a medical emergency. The symptoms of climate change do need to be addressed, and can be through a multitude of charitable organisations - feeding, clothing, housing, education, equality, opportunity. If we don't, it costs people their lives. But this is only treating the symptoms, and not doing anything about the causes. It is only political will, effort and determination that will address the causes.

Tim's primary driver for attending the Copenhagen Kerfuffle was stated in his last paragraph, that - It is a humanitarian disaster, and for the world's poor and the unborn we must try again.

Shame those that can influence the causes most, didn't / can't / won't acknowledge that more.

by: Yornaning

12-23-2009 @ 10:13pm

I guess I'm going to seem like an apologist for Tim Costello, for those outside Australia who've never heard of him. But people overseas never seem to know anywhere near as much about us, as we have to know about them (read the blog on Obama's exceptionalism).

Tim is trained minister, a lawyer, who has worked with the poor in some of the worst areas of our second largest city for many years. His brother was Australia's version of Secretary to the Treasury for 11 years or so, and as Deputy leader of the largest political party in Oz, just one step away from being Prime Minister. This didn't hold back Tim's criticism of the Government of Australia for those 11 years. Would have made for extremely explosive Costello family Christmas get togethers.

In many ways, Tim is Australia's version of Jim Wallace. I can't think of a single other person who is as recognisably politically non-partisan, as clearly Christ centred and accepted in the general mind of Aussies, and although Baptist, has never made a show of his denominational choice. Every other significant commentator I can think of has clear political leanings, clear religious choices, or particular axe to grind.

Given his non-partisan political influence, I think Tim has a duty to speak out. I think the doctrine of separation of Church and State, means that one doesn't coerce the other (as has also happened her, and seems to be a special talent of the American religious right), but if Christians do not use the political systems to try to convince the politicians, to improve the future for all, then I think they are derelict in their duty.

I live in outback Oz, a semi-desert part of West Oz. I've lived in grain growing, and semi-desert areas for 22 of the past 30 years. We don't have a choice about believing in climate change or not - we see it, experience it, have to plan for it every year. Whether they realise it or not, we are already seeing climate change refugees in Australia. Two years ago, after 8 years of less than half the average rainfall, the town I live in had a slightly above average rainfall (about 11-12 inches a year) for the year. The problem was that about 70% of it fell in one 10 hour period. I recall a representative of the top Australian scientific agency saying in a meeting about 4 years ago, that from memory) parts of West Oz are anticipated to be in the top 2% of the most affected areas in the world as far as rainfall goes, over the next 50 years. We're seeing it now.

So, as far as I'm can see, this is a bit like a medical emergency. The symptoms of climate change do need to be addressed, and can be through a multitude of charitable organisations - feeding, clothing, housing, education, equality, opportunity. If we don't, it costs people their lives. But this is only treating the symptoms, and not doing anything about the causes. It is only political will, effort and determination that will address the causes.

Tim's primary driver for attending the Copenhagen Kerfuffle was stated in his last paragraph, that - It is a humanitarian disaster, and for the world's poor and the unborn we must try again.

Shame those that can influence the causes most, didn't / can't / won't acknowledge that more.

by: Yornaning

12-24-2009 @ 12:13am

I guess I'm going to seem like an apologist for Tim Costello, for those outside Australia who've never heard of him. But people overseas never seem to know anywhere near as much about us, as we have to know about them (read the blog on Obama's exceptionalism).

Tim is trained minister, a lawyer, who has worked with the poor in some of the worst areas of our second largest city for many years. His brother was Australia's version of Secretary to the Treasury for 11 years or so, and as Deputy leader of the largest political party in Oz, just one step away from being Prime Minister. This didn't hold back Tim's criticism of the Government of Australia for those 11 years. Would have made for extremely explosive Costello family Christmas get togethers.

In many ways, Tim is Australia's version of Jim Wallace. I can't think of a single other person who is as recognisably politically non-partisan, as clearly Christ centred and accepted in the general mind of Aussies, and although Baptist, has never made a show of his denominational choice. Every other significant commentator I can think of has clear political leanings, clear religious choices, or particular axe to grind.

Given his non-partisan political influence, I think Tim has a duty to speak out. I think the doctrine of separation of Church and State, means that one doesn't coerce the other (as has also happened her, and seems to be a special talent of the American religious right), but if Christians do not use the political systems to try to convince the politicians, to improve the future for all, then I think they are derelict in their duty.

I live in outback Oz, a semi-desert part of West Oz. I've lived in grain growing, and semi-desert areas for 22 of the past 30 years. We don't have a choice about believing in climate change or not - we see it, experience it, have to plan for it every year. Whether they realise it or not, we are already seeing climate change refugees in Australia. Two years ago, after 8 years of less than half the average rainfall, the town I live in had a slightly above average rainfall (about 11-12 inches a year) for the year. The problem was that about 70% of it fell in one 10 hour period. I recall a representative of the top Australian scientific agency saying in a meeting about 4 years ago, that from memory) parts of West Oz are anticipated to be in the top 2% of the most affected areas in the world as far as rainfall goes, over the next 50 years. We're seeing it now.

So, as far as I'm can see, this is a bit like a medical emergency. The symptoms of climate change do need to be addressed, and can be through a multitude of charitable organisations - feeding, clothing, housing, education, equality, opportunity. If we don't, it costs people their lives. But this is only treating the symptoms, and not doing anything about the causes. It is only political will, effort and determination that will address the causes.

Tim's primary driver for attending the Copenhagen Kerfuffle was stated in his last paragraph, that - It is a humanitarian disaster, and for the world's poor and the unborn we must try again.

Shame those that can influence the causes most, didn't / can't / won't acknowledge that more.

by: Yornaning

12-24-2009 @ 12:13am

I guess I'm going to seem like an apologist for Tim Costello, for those outside Australia who've never heard of him. But people overseas never seem to know anywhere near as much about us, as we have to know about them (read the blog on Obama's exceptionalism).

Tim is trained minister, a lawyer, who has worked with the poor in some of the worst areas of our second largest city for many years. His brother was Australia's version of Secretary to the Treasury for 11 years or so, and as Deputy leader of the largest political party in Oz, just one step away from being Prime Minister. This didn't hold back Tim's criticism of the Government of Australia for those 11 years. Would have made for extremely explosive Costello family Christmas get togethers.

In many ways, Tim is Australia's version of Jim Wallace. I can't think of a single other person who is as recognisably politically non-partisan, as clearly Christ centred and accepted in the general mind of Aussies, and although Baptist, has never made a show of his denominational choice. Every other significant commentator I can think of has clear political leanings, clear religious choices, or particular axe to grind.

Given his non-partisan political influence, I think Tim has a duty to speak out. I think the doctrine of separation of Church and State, means that one doesn't coerce the other (as has also happened her, and seems to be a special talent of the American religious right), but if Christians do not use the political systems to try to convince the politicians, to improve the future for all, then I think they are derelict in their duty.

I live in outback Oz, a semi-desert part of West Oz. I've lived in grain growing, and semi-desert areas for 22 of the past 30 years. We don't have a choice about believing in climate change or not - we see it, experience it, have to plan for it every year. Whether they realise it or not, we are already seeing climate change refugees in Australia. Two years ago, after 8 years of less than half the average rainfall, the town I live in had a slightly above average rainfall (about 11-12 inches a year) for the year. The problem was that about 70% of it fell in one 10 hour period. I recall a representative of the top Australian scientific agency saying in a meeting about 4 years ago, that from memory) parts of West Oz are anticipated to be in the top 2% of the most affected areas in the world as far as rainfall goes, over the next 50 years. We're seeing it now.

So, as far as I'm can see, this is a bit like a medical emergency. The symptoms of climate change do need to be addressed, and can be through a multitude of charitable organisations - feeding, clothing, housing, education, equality, opportunity. If we don't, it costs people their lives. But this is only treating the symptoms, and not doing anything about the causes. It is only political will, effort and determination that will address the causes.

Tim's primary driver for attending the Copenhagen Kerfuffle was stated in his last paragraph, that - It is a humanitarian disaster, and for the world's poor and the unborn we must try again.

Shame those that can influence the causes most, didn't / can't / won't acknowledge that more.