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A Bottom-Up Perspective on Obama's Nobel Speech

I didn't get a chance to watch Barack Obama's Nobel speech live, but I've read the transcript and found very little in the speech that couldn't have been given by any number of past presidents-including George W. Bush. Granted, absent from the speech is the grandiose rhetoric of "Bring it on", "You're either with us or with the terrorists" and "Ridding the world of evil", but should being less arrogant than Bush qualify someone for the Nobel Peace Prize? Probably not. On the other hand, Barack Obama's rejection of unilateralism, his willingness to dialogue with enemies, and his understanding of the limits of power-howbeit nuanced-make him about as good of a president as we can expect on the foreign policy front given the current state of American culture and, more specifically, the American Church.

According to the CIA world fact book, roughly 77% of the American people are self-identified as Christians. From its inception, America has been a nation of people that name the name of Christ on the one hand and trust in the power of their military might on the other hand. The American civil religion of God, guns, and country has been around for a long time and it's the height of naivete to think that a few good speeches and a teleprompter are going to change that. If Obama's escalation of the Afghan conflict has taught us anything, it's that liberals can be just as susceptible to the value system of might equals right as conservatives can be. Those of us that oppose the escalation can chastise the president all we want, but the fact is there was very little political wiggle room for the president to make any other decision than the one that he made. Even the "liberal" networks of NBC, CBS, and CNN are steeped in the tradition of glorifying military heroes and showing off the Pentagon's latest weapons technology.

I know that Barack Obama is never going to read this article, and neither is he going to read the tens of thousands of editorials and blogs calling on him to change his mind. With all of the attention going towards one man, and whether or not he deserves a peace prize, I fear that a larger point is getting lost; and that is that history is defined less by people on top and more by people on bottom. Wars are fought because cultural, religious, media, and economic establishments support them. Wars are ended when the groundswell of the population refuse to support the institutions that make them possible. Until the words "fighting for freedom" become more associated in the average American mind with strikes, boycotts, and voter registrations than with ground invasions and bombing raids, no president is going to be able to deliver on a "change we can believe in" slogan.

To borrow from Jarrod McKenna's "What if" scenario, what if out of the 77% of the American population that self-identify as Christians, the vast majority of them became convinced that following Christ and renouncing the sword go hand-in-hand? What if John Howard Yoder replaced Augustine as the intellectual giant of the Western Church? For that to happen, a lot more Bible-believing Christians are going to have to be convinced that Romans 13 is not a carte blanche for Christians participating in state-sanctioned violence, that the Old Testament is a poor pretext for just war theory, and that John the Baptist wasn't condoning violence when he didn't tell the Roman soldiers of their day to give up their occupations. If there's one thing to be learned from Martin Luther's Protestant Reformation, it's that Biblical paradigm shifts can have vast political consequences. It can happen again, but it's going to take all hands on board. Any volunteers?

portrait-aaron-taylorAaron D. Taylor is the author of Alone with A Jihadist: A Biblical Response to Holy War. To learn more about Aaron's ministry, go to www.aarondtaylor.com. To follow Aaron on Twitter, go to www.twitter.com/aarondtaylor. Aaron can be contacted at fromdeathtolife@gmail.com.

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by: jason

12-24-2009 @ 7:35pm

Great article...

the reality is that the only person we can control (and even that is debateable) is ourselves. We spend a lot of time sitting on our butts hoping that we elect someone and they will do everything for us. Dont get me wrong, I think voting is important (and I voted for Obama and dont regret it). But, to state the famous quote, "we need to be the change we want to see."

Merry Christmas you all and may God bless you during this wonderful season!

by: SoonerRich

01-04-2010 @ 6:10am

It would be great to live a world where one can 'put down the sword.' Unfortunately, reality requires the sword to remain a viable option. If someone enters my home and threatens violence on my family, I will not try to engage this person in theological dialogue aimed at convincing him why Jesus says for him not to harm me and my family. I will cut him down and protect my family, just as most any other sain person would.
This is analogous to the situation where terrorists fly planes into buildings and murder thousands of innocent people. You have the convenience of discussing on this blog how that we should not pick up our sword, but in doing so you ignore the obligation that you have to protect your fellow man. When Hitler was engaged in genocide, no amount of rhetoric was going to stop him. Only an army was going to stop this horrible crime against humanity. I sincerely wish that we lived in a world where the sword was not necessary, but that is not the case.
And for what it's worth, for anyone to state that NBC is 'solidly conservative' is laughable (and I actually did laugh out loud as I read that). NBC is a lot of things (intellectually dishonest would be my number one description) but factual and nonbiased it is not. Like most networks, it is at the mercy of those running it and is used for a specific political agenda, which does not support conservative candidates.

by: oscoder

01-04-2010 @ 1:21pm

> repent of my sins
What's the difference between repeting of your sins and renouncing your sinfull actions? I Jesus calls us to repent of violence, then that must mean he calls us to renounce violence too, right?

by: greenpeaceRochdale1844

12-25-2009 @ 5:06am

I'm sorry the Nobel Committee chose Obama, although it's interesting to note how this selection shows how much people hope for U.S. leadership. If only people would shift that celebrity worship to Denmark with its 20% wind and massive offshore citizen owned windfarm.
Otherwise, my vote for Christian foundation is the team of St. Thomas of Aquinas, St. Francis of Assisi, and St. Clare of Assisi. St. Thomas represents the cornerstone of modern education and science itself as a Christian project, built on the integration of Greek logic into a Christian educational practice, by monastic orders best of all. St. Thomas also had universalist views.
St. Francis since he is a major pulse of social responsibility. St. Thomas as a Dominican did value the vow of poverty highly, but St. Francis was the foot soldier, while St. Thomas was the brains. St. Clare was a woman who loved St. Francis and was inspired by him to follow the path of service.
One of my thoughts on the Christian sword idea is that Christian ideals are better served by education and peace. The "Might Makes Right" mentality is not just reprehensible, but it is anti-educational and linked to the genocidal economic system that disregards the scourge of interest rates, profit maximization, and aristocratic wage slave ownership.
95% of Christ is not "exploit and destroy thy neighbor."

by: glopo

12-25-2009 @ 10:02am

Renouncing the sword is part of it. If you believe in Him, you believe in what He taught.

by: BillSamuel

12-24-2009 @ 12:06am

I agree that one of the things the speech reflects is the failure of the church in America. Obama seems quite ignorant of the real gospel, as well as of the successes of nonviolence (which are well documented, but I'm sure not part of any history courses Obama took or most Americans take). This is true even though the large majority of the country, including Obama himself, profess to follow the Prince of Peace.

How do we get the church to understand the Gospel? How do we get through to the political leadership of our country with a different message, and real though not well known, facts, so they don't just continue to follow the same old falsehoods thinking them to be truths?

I don't think Obama's Nobel speech was simply political posturing. I think it actually reflects where he is at. Even though he acknowledged powerful practitioners of nonviolence on massive scales that had remarkable success, he still simply can not accept that the way they worked is actually practical. He, like most politicians and most average Americans, simply can not conceive of a way other than violence as being more than a naive pipe dream.

by: kansasmennonite

12-24-2009 @ 1:43am

Quote:"He, like most politicians and most average Americans, simply can not conceive of a way other than violence as being more than a naive pipe dream."

A customer (I knew) walked into work today and overheard Obama talking to NPR ( and he said that Obama is full of lies and he would supply the bullet to kill him! He walked away and I said that that wasn't a very christian thing to say-he came back and said he wouldn't kill him just supply the bullet!

by: DHFabian

12-25-2009 @ 8:19pm

Just curious, Mr. Taylor -- Where did you get the notion that NBC, CBS or CNN are liberal??? NBC and CBS are corporate entities that present the news strictly from the corporate perspective. Issues of public importance (such as the impact of job loss in our post-welfare era) are inadequately addressed, too often omitting some of the most important points (that just might shine a critical light on those in power). CNN, like NBC and CBS, has replaced much legitimate news reporting with "infotainment". Unlike the pre-Reagan/Republican Revolution days, they simply ignore much of the news about protests, strikes, US poverty, etc., and have come pretty close to censoring out all voices of dissent. In short, NBC, CBS and CNN are solidly conservative.

by: DHFabian

12-25-2009 @ 8:38pm

Should mention, the international perspective of awarding the Peace Prize to Barack Obama is this: It was more of an expression of hopes than a statement on achievements. Obama indicated that he would take a new, rational approach to international affairs. I don't know if many Americans understand that the international community now views the US as a dangerous, frothing mad bull, with it's serial wars, and constant belligerence. We've been engaged in war almost constantly since WWll, invading one country after another. No other country keeps the world more on the edge of nuclear annihilation, the way we do. The indication that the US was now taking a more rational approach, using diplomacy to deal with conflicts, was a dramatic change. It was determined that the Peace Prize was an appropriate recognition of this vitally important change.

by: aarondtaylor

12-26-2009 @ 2:51am

Thank you for your insight. Notice the quotation marks around the word liberal in the article. I often use quotation marks to indicate a gap between perception and reality. In the case of the networks that I mentioned, all of them have a perceived liberal bias, especially if you ask the average conservative.

by: oscoder

01-04-2010 @ 3:21pm

> repent of my sins
What's the difference between repeting of your sins and renouncing your sinfull actions? I Jesus calls us to repent of violence, then that must mean he calls us to renounce violence too, right?

by: carol5036

12-26-2009 @ 3:34am

I heard on NPR news that the Nobel committee issued a statement that one of the reasons that Obama was selected was that he decided to remove the missiles we were putting in eastern Europe. Most Americans don't realize that we were doing that, but Europe did.
Also, I understand that Obama and our top military commanders have read "Three Cups of Tea" and that it is now required reading for our special forces. So there is reason for hope. Bush and Rumsfeld poo-pooed Colin Powel when he had the State Dept. do a report on Middle Eastern Culture.

by: thebootedone

12-28-2009 @ 3:45pm

this obama who spent 20 years in a hate church called black liberal theology, with rev. wright as his mentor. Maybe he wasnt listening, maybe he was doing it JUST for their support in future indeavers. honesty out to be important but apparently not.

by: jason

12-24-2009 @ 7:35pm

Great article...

the reality is that the only person we can control (and even that is debateable) is ourselves. We spend a lot of time sitting on our butts hoping that we elect someone and they will do everything for us. Dont get me wrong, I think voting is important (and I voted for Obama and dont regret it). But, to state the famous quote, "we need to be the change we want to see."

Merry Christmas you all and may God bless you during this wonderful season!

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I'm sorry the Nobel Committee chose Obama, although it's interesting to note how this selection shows how much people hope for U.S. leadership. If only people would shift that celebrity worship to Denmark with its 20% wind and massive offshore citizen owned windfarm.
Otherwise, my vote for Christian foundation is the team of St. Thomas of Aquinas, St. Francis of Assisi, and St. Clare of Assisi. St. Thomas represents the cornerstone of modern education and science itself as a Christian project, built on the integration of Greek logic into a Christian educational practice, by monastic orders best of all. St. Thomas also had universalist views.
St. Francis since he is a major pulse of social responsibility. St. Thomas as a Dominican did value the vow of poverty highly, but St. Francis was the foot soldier, while St. Thomas was the brains. St. Clare was a woman who loved St. Francis and was inspired by him to follow the path of service.
One of my thoughts on the Christian sword idea is that Christian ideals are better served by education and peace. The "Might Makes Right" mentality is not just reprehensible, but it is anti-educational and linked to the genocidal economic system that disregards the scourge of interest rates, profit maximization, and aristocratic wage slave ownership.
95% of Christ is not "exploit and destroy thy neighbor."

by: glopo

12-25-2009 @ 10:02am

Renouncing the sword is part of it. If you believe in Him, you believe in what He taught.

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12-25-2009 @ 8:19pm

Just curious, Mr. Taylor -- Where did you get the notion that NBC, CBS or CNN are liberal??? NBC and CBS are corporate entities that present the news strictly from the corporate perspective. Issues of public importance (such as the impact of job loss in our post-welfare era) are inadequately addressed, too often omitting some of the most important points (that just might shine a critical light on those in power). CNN, like NBC and CBS, has replaced much legitimate news reporting with "infotainment". Unlike the pre-Reagan/Republican Revolution days, they simply ignore much of the news about protests, strikes, US poverty, etc., and have come pretty close to censoring out all voices of dissent. In short, NBC, CBS and CNN are solidly conservative.

by: DHFabian

12-25-2009 @ 8:38pm

Should mention, the international perspective of awarding the Peace Prize to Barack Obama is this: It was more of an expression of hopes than a statement on achievements. Obama indicated that he would take a new, rational approach to international affairs. I don't know if many Americans understand that the international community now views the US as a dangerous, frothing mad bull, with it's serial wars, and constant belligerence. We've been engaged in war almost constantly since WWll, invading one country after another. No other country keeps the world more on the edge of nuclear annihilation, the way we do. The indication that the US was now taking a more rational approach, using diplomacy to deal with conflicts, was a dramatic change. It was determined that the Peace Prize was an appropriate recognition of this vitally important change.

by: aarondtaylor

12-26-2009 @ 2:51am

Thank you for your insight. Notice the quotation marks around the word liberal in the article. I often use quotation marks to indicate a gap between perception and reality. In the case of the networks that I mentioned, all of them have a perceived liberal bias, especially if you ask the average conservative.

by: carol5036

12-26-2009 @ 3:34am

I heard on NPR news that the Nobel committee issued a statement that one of the reasons that Obama was selected was that he decided to remove the missiles we were putting in eastern Europe. Most Americans don't realize that we were doing that, but Europe did.
Also, I understand that Obama and our top military commanders have read "Three Cups of Tea" and that it is now required reading for our special forces. So there is reason for hope. Bush and Rumsfeld poo-pooed Colin Powel when he had the State Dept. do a report on Middle Eastern Culture.

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> repent of my sins
What's the difference between repeting of your sins and renouncing your sinfull actions? I Jesus calls us to repent of violence, then that must mean he calls us to renounce violence too, right?

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12-22-2009 @ 9:40pm

It is perplexing to note the apparent surprise from many contributors at Sojo regarding Obama's Afghanistan move. My guess is they just chose to ignore his plans when they were supporting him 100% up to the election, so this "someone made him do it" explanation is made to somehow help justify their original support for him.

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12-22-2009 @ 10:08pm

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12-22-2009 @ 6:36pm

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by: fundamentalist

12-22-2009 @ 6:43pm

Expectations for President Obama were much too high. He is just a man and subject to the temptations of all men. He would have needed a great deal of courage to stand up to those who wanted to escalate the war, and I hoped he would have that courage. But he didn't. He's just a man.

by: fundamentalist

12-22-2009 @ 6:43pm

Expectations for President Obama were much too high. He is just a man and subject to the temptations of all men. He would have needed a great deal of courage to stand up to those who wanted to escalate the war, and I hoped he would have that courage. But he didn't. He's just a man.

by: letjusticerolldown

12-22-2009 @ 7:35pm

The man campaigned on escalating the war in Afghanistan. Why do you need to look for an alternative force that 'made him do it?'

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12-22-2009 @ 7:35pm

The man campaigned on escalating the war in Afghanistan. Why do you need to look for an alternative force that 'made him do it?'

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12-22-2009 @ 9:40pm

It is perplexing to note the apparent surprise from many contributors at Sojo regarding Obama's Afghanistan move. My guess is they just chose to ignore his plans when they were supporting him 100% up to the election, so this "someone made him do it" explanation is made to somehow help justify their original support for him.

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12-22-2009 @ 9:40pm

It is perplexing to note the apparent surprise from many contributors at Sojo regarding Obama's Afghanistan move. My guess is they just chose to ignore his plans when they were supporting him 100% up to the election, so this "someone made him do it" explanation is made to somehow help justify their original support for him.

by: duhsciple

12-22-2009 @ 10:08pm

Following Christ and renouncing the sword go hand-in-hand... sadly, the people I hang with don't go along with this concept... and I am not very convincing.

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12-22-2009 @ 10:08pm

Following Christ and renouncing the sword go hand-in-hand... sadly, the people I hang with don't go along with this concept... and I am not very convincing.

by: duhsciple

12-22-2009 @ 10:54pm

When voting for candidates for president there are "no sinless options"

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by: NC77

12-23-2009 @ 4:09pm

Jesus didn't require me to renounce the sword to called a brother and a son of God the Father. He asked that I receive him into my heart as Lord and Savior, repent of my sins and sinful life, give up my life to follow him, and receive the Hopy Spirit to be empowered to do the works of God.

I think if more people who claim to be Christians (in this country) lived out true Chrisitianity, the sword would be quickly left by the wayside. Jesus did not teach thaqt renouncing the sword is the way to the Father. Good works have no righteousness in the eyes of God if one is dead in their sins.

by: NC77

12-23-2009 @ 4:09pm

Jesus didn't require me to renounce the sword to called a brother and a son of God the Father. He asked that I receive him into my heart as Lord and Savior, repent of my sins and sinful life, give up my life to follow him, and receive the Hopy Spirit to be empowered to do the works of God.

I think if more people who claim to be Christians (in this country) lived out true Chrisitianity, the sword would be quickly left by the wayside. Jesus did not teach thaqt renouncing the sword is the way to the Father. Good works have no righteousness in the eyes of God if one is dead in their sins.

by: letjusticerolldown

12-23-2009 @ 4:24pm

And there is not a sinless government to govern or a sinless nation. There are neither perfect and pure ends to which it works or perfect and pure means to get there.

We project way too much on the Presidency. It is the nation that is at war in Afghanistan. It was the nation two years ago and it is the nation today. And the nation, region, world in which the war is waged is not a pristine, righteous wilderness which we spoil with our fallenness. Part of the path to just, righteous and wise governance is a humble recognition of our status before God.

by: letjusticerolldown

12-23-2009 @ 4:24pm

And there is not a sinless government to govern or a sinless nation. There are neither perfect and pure ends to which it works or perfect and pure means to get there.

We project way too much on the Presidency. It is the nation that is at war in Afghanistan. It was the nation two years ago and it is the nation today. And the nation, region, world in which the war is waged is not a pristine, righteous wilderness which we spoil with our fallenness. Part of the path to just, righteous and wise governance is a humble recognition of our status before God.

by: BillSamuel

12-24-2009 @ 12:06am

I agree that one of the things the speech reflects is the failure of the church in America. Obama seems quite ignorant of the real gospel, as well as of the successes of nonviolence (which are well documented, but I'm sure not part of any history courses Obama took or most Americans take). This is true even though the large majority of the country, including Obama himself, profess to follow the Prince of Peace.

How do we get the church to understand the Gospel? How do we get through to the political leadership of our country with a different message, and real though not well known, facts, so they don't just continue to follow the same old falsehoods thinking them to be truths?

I don't think Obama's Nobel speech was simply political posturing. I think it actually reflects where he is at. Even though he acknowledged powerful practitioners of nonviolence on massive scales that had remarkable success, he still simply can not accept that the way they worked is actually practical. He, like most politicians and most average Americans, simply can not conceive of a way other than violence as being more than a naive pipe dream.

by: BillSamuel

12-24-2009 @ 12:06am

I agree that one of the things the speech reflects is the failure of the church in America. Obama seems quite ignorant of the real gospel, as well as of the successes of nonviolence (which are well documented, but I'm sure not part of any history courses Obama took or most Americans take). This is true even though the large majority of the country, including Obama himself, profess to follow the Prince of Peace.

How do we get the church to understand the Gospel? How do we get through to the political leadership of our country with a different message, and real though not well known, facts, so they don't just continue to follow the same old falsehoods thinking them to be truths?

I don't think Obama's Nobel speech was simply political posturing. I think it actually reflects where he is at. Even though he acknowledged powerful practitioners of nonviolence on massive scales that had remarkable success, he still simply can not accept that the way they worked is actually practical. He, like most politicians and most average Americans, simply can not conceive of a way other than violence as being more than a naive pipe dream.

by: kansasmennonite

12-24-2009 @ 1:43am

Quote:"He, like most politicians and most average Americans, simply can not conceive of a way other than violence as being more than a naive pipe dream."

A customer (I knew) walked into work today and overheard Obama talking to NPR ( and he said that Obama is full of lies and he would supply the bullet to kill him! He walked away and I said that that wasn't a very christian thing to say-he came back and said he wouldn't kill him just supply the bullet!

by: kansasmennonite

12-24-2009 @ 1:43am

Quote:"He, like most politicians and most average Americans, simply can not conceive of a way other than violence as being more than a naive pipe dream."

A customer (I knew) walked into work today and overheard Obama talking to NPR ( and he said that Obama is full of lies and he would supply the bullet to kill him! He walked away and I said that that wasn't a very christian thing to say-he came back and said he wouldn't kill him just supply the bullet!

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12-24-2009 @ 7:35pm

Great article...

the reality is that the only person we can control (and even that is debateable) is ourselves. We spend a lot of time sitting on our butts hoping that we elect someone and they will do everything for us. Dont get me wrong, I think voting is important (and I voted for Obama and dont regret it). But, to state the famous quote, "we need to be the change we want to see."

Merry Christmas you all and may God bless you during this wonderful season!

by: jason

12-24-2009 @ 7:35pm

Great article...

the reality is that the only person we can control (and even that is debateable) is ourselves. We spend a lot of time sitting on our butts hoping that we elect someone and they will do everything for us. Dont get me wrong, I think voting is important (and I voted for Obama and dont regret it). But, to state the famous quote, "we need to be the change we want to see."

Merry Christmas you all and may God bless you during this wonderful season!

by: greenpeaceRochdale1844

12-25-2009 @ 5:06am

I'm sorry the Nobel Committee chose Obama, although it's interesting to note how this selection shows how much people hope for U.S. leadership. If only people would shift that celebrity worship to Denmark with its 20% wind and massive offshore citizen owned windfarm.
Otherwise, my vote for Christian foundation is the team of St. Thomas of Aquinas, St. Francis of Assisi, and St. Clare of Assisi. St. Thomas represents the cornerstone of modern education and science itself as a Christian project, built on the integration of Greek logic into a Christian educational practice, by monastic orders best of all. St. Thomas also had universalist views.
St. Francis since he is a major pulse of social responsibility. St. Thomas as a Dominican did value the vow of poverty highly, but St. Francis was the foot soldier, while St. Thomas was the brains. St. Clare was a woman who loved St. Francis and was inspired by him to follow the path of service.
One of my thoughts on the Christian sword idea is that Christian ideals are better served by education and peace. The "Might Makes Right" mentality is not just reprehensible, but it is anti-educational and linked to the genocidal economic system that disregards the scourge of interest rates, profit maximization, and aristocratic wage slave ownership.
95% of Christ is not "exploit and destroy thy neighbor."

by: greenpeaceRochdale1844

12-25-2009 @ 5:06am

I'm sorry the Nobel Committee chose Obama, although it's interesting to note how this selection shows how much people hope for U.S. leadership. If only people would shift that celebrity worship to Denmark with its 20% wind and massive offshore citizen owned windfarm.
Otherwise, my vote for Christian foundation is the team of St. Thomas of Aquinas, St. Francis of Assisi, and St. Clare of Assisi. St. Thomas represents the cornerstone of modern education and science itself as a Christian project, built on the integration of Greek logic into a Christian educational practice, by monastic orders best of all. St. Thomas also had universalist views.
St. Francis since he is a major pulse of social responsibility. St. Thomas as a Dominican did value the vow of poverty highly, but St. Francis was the foot soldier, while St. Thomas was the brains. St. Clare was a woman who loved St. Francis and was inspired by him to follow the path of service.
One of my thoughts on the Christian sword idea is that Christian ideals are better served by education and peace. The "Might Makes Right" mentality is not just reprehensible, but it is anti-educational and linked to the genocidal economic system that disregards the scourge of interest rates, profit maximization, and aristocratic wage slave ownership.
95% of Christ is not "exploit and destroy thy neighbor."

by: glopo

12-25-2009 @ 10:02am

Renouncing the sword is part of it. If you believe in Him, you believe in what He taught.

by: glopo

12-25-2009 @ 10:02am

Renouncing the sword is part of it. If you believe in Him, you believe in what He taught.

by: DHFabian

12-25-2009 @ 8:19pm

Just curious, Mr. Taylor -- Where did you get the notion that NBC, CBS or CNN are liberal??? NBC and CBS are corporate entities that present the news strictly from the corporate perspective. Issues of public importance (such as the impact of job loss in our post-welfare era) are inadequately addressed, too often omitting some of the most important points (that just might shine a critical light on those in power). CNN, like NBC and CBS, has replaced much legitimate news reporting with "infotainment". Unlike the pre-Reagan/Republican Revolution days, they simply ignore much of the news about protests, strikes, US poverty, etc., and have come pretty close to censoring out all voices of dissent. In short, NBC, CBS and CNN are solidly conservative.

by: DHFabian

12-25-2009 @ 8:19pm

Just curious, Mr. Taylor -- Where did you get the notion that NBC, CBS or CNN are liberal??? NBC and CBS are corporate entities that present the news strictly from the corporate perspective. Issues of public importance (such as the impact of job loss in our post-welfare era) are inadequately addressed, too often omitting some of the most important points (that just might shine a critical light on those in power). CNN, like NBC and CBS, has replaced much legitimate news reporting with "infotainment". Unlike the pre-Reagan/Republican Revolution days, they simply ignore much of the news about protests, strikes, US poverty, etc., and have come pretty close to censoring out all voices of dissent. In short, NBC, CBS and CNN are solidly conservative.

by: DHFabian

12-25-2009 @ 8:38pm

Should mention, the international perspective of awarding the Peace Prize to Barack Obama is this: It was more of an expression of hopes than a statement on achievements. Obama indicated that he would take a new, rational approach to international affairs. I don't know if many Americans understand that the international community now views the US as a dangerous, frothing mad bull, with it's serial wars, and constant belligerence. We've been engaged in war almost constantly since WWll, invading one country after another. No other country keeps the world more on the edge of nuclear annihilation, the way we do. The indication that the US was now taking a more rational approach, using diplomacy to deal with conflicts, was a dramatic change. It was determined that the Peace Prize was an appropriate recognition of this vitally important change.

by: DHFabian

12-25-2009 @ 8:38pm

Should mention, the international perspective of awarding the Peace Prize to Barack Obama is this: It was more of an expression of hopes than a statement on achievements. Obama indicated that he would take a new, rational approach to international affairs. I don't know if many Americans understand that the international community now views the US as a dangerous, frothing mad bull, with it's serial wars, and constant belligerence. We've been engaged in war almost constantly since WWll, invading one country after another. No other country keeps the world more on the edge of nuclear annihilation, the way we do. The indication that the US was now taking a more rational approach, using diplomacy to deal with conflicts, was a dramatic change. It was determined that the Peace Prize was an appropriate recognition of this vitally important change.

by: aarondtaylor

12-26-2009 @ 2:51am

Thank you for your insight. Notice the quotation marks around the word liberal in the article. I often use quotation marks to indicate a gap between perception and reality. In the case of the networks that I mentioned, all of them have a perceived liberal bias, especially if you ask the average conservative.

by: aarondtaylor

12-26-2009 @ 2:51am

Thank you for your insight. Notice the quotation marks around the word liberal in the article. I often use quotation marks to indicate a gap between perception and reality. In the case of the networks that I mentioned, all of them have a perceived liberal bias, especially if you ask the average conservative.

by: carol5036

12-26-2009 @ 3:34am

I heard on NPR news that the Nobel committee issued a statement that one of the reasons that Obama was selected was that he decided to remove the missiles we were putting in eastern Europe. Most Americans don't realize that we were doing that, but Europe did.
Also, I understand that Obama and our top military commanders have read "Three Cups of Tea" and that it is now required reading for our special forces. So there is reason for hope. Bush and Rumsfeld poo-pooed Colin Powel when he had the State Dept. do a report on Middle Eastern Culture.

by: carol5036

12-26-2009 @ 3:34am

I heard on NPR news that the Nobel committee issued a statement that one of the reasons that Obama was selected was that he decided to remove the missiles we were putting in eastern Europe. Most Americans don't realize that we were doing that, but Europe did.
Also, I understand that Obama and our top military commanders have read "Three Cups of Tea" and that it is now required reading for our special forces. So there is reason for hope. Bush and Rumsfeld poo-pooed Colin Powel when he had the State Dept. do a report on Middle Eastern Culture.

by: thebootedone

12-28-2009 @ 3:45pm

this obama who spent 20 years in a hate church called black liberal theology, with rev. wright as his mentor. Maybe he wasnt listening, maybe he was doing it JUST for their support in future indeavers. honesty out to be important but apparently not.

by: thebootedone

12-28-2009 @ 3:45pm

this obama who spent 20 years in a hate church called black liberal theology, with rev. wright as his mentor. Maybe he wasnt listening, maybe he was doing it JUST for their support in future indeavers. honesty out to be important but apparently not.

by: sam80

01-03-2010 @ 2:24pm

you are incorrect to say that Jesus never
advocated war. As a matter of fact, in
Matthew 10, he clearly said that he brought
sword into this world and not peace, and to se
set children against their families.

by: sam80

01-03-2010 @ 2:24pm

you are incorrect to say that Jesus never
advocated war. As a matter of fact, in
Matthew 10, he clearly said that he brought
sword into this world and not peace, and to se
set children against their families.

by: SoonerRich

01-04-2010 @ 6:10am

It would be great to live a world where one can 'put down the sword.' Unfortunately, reality requires the sword to remain a viable option. If someone enters my home and threatens violence on my family, I will not try to engage this person in theological dialogue aimed at convincing him why Jesus says for him not to harm me and my family. I will cut him down and protect my family, just as most any other sain person would.
This is analogous to the situation where terrorists fly planes into buildings and murder thousands of innocent people. You have the convenience of discussing on this blog how that we should not pick up our sword, but in doing so you ignore the obligation that you have to protect your fellow man. When Hitler was engaged in genocide, no amount of rhetoric was going to stop him. Only an army was going to stop this horrible crime against humanity. I sincerely wish that we lived in a world where the sword was not necessary, but that is not the case.
And for what it's worth, for anyone to state that NBC is 'solidly conservative' is laughable (and I actually did laugh out loud as I read that). NBC is a lot of things (intellectually dishonest would be my number one description) but factual and nonbiased it is not. Like most networks, it is at the mercy of those running it and is used for a specific political agenda, which does not support conservative candidates.

by: SoonerRich

01-04-2010 @ 6:10am

It would be great to live a world where one can 'put down the sword.' Unfortunately, reality requires the sword to remain a viable option. If someone enters my home and threatens violence on my family, I will not try to engage this person in theological dialogue aimed at convincing him why Jesus says for him not to harm me and my family. I will cut him down and protect my family, just as most any other sain person would.
This is analogous to the situation where terrorists fly planes into buildings and murder thousands of innocent people. You have the convenience of discussing on this blog how that we should not pick up our sword, but in doing so you ignore the obligation that you have to protect your fellow man. When Hitler was engaged in genocide, no amount of rhetoric was going to stop him. Only an army was going to stop this horrible crime against humanity. I sincerely wish that we lived in a world where the sword was not necessary, but that is not the case.
And for what it's worth, for anyone to state that NBC is 'solidly conservative' is laughable (and I actually did laugh out loud as I read that). NBC is a lot of things (intellectually dishonest would be my number one description) but factual and nonbiased it is not. Like most networks, it is at the mercy of those running it and is used for a specific political agenda, which does not support conservative candidates.

by: oscoder

01-04-2010 @ 1:21pm

> repent of my sins
What's the difference between repeting of your sins and renouncing your sinfull actions? I Jesus calls us to repent of violence, then that must mean he calls us to renounce violence too, right?

by: oscoder

01-04-2010 @ 1:21pm

> repent of my sins
What's the difference between repeting of your sins and renouncing your sinfull actions? I Jesus calls us to repent of violence, then that must mean he calls us to renounce violence too, right?

by: oscoder

01-04-2010 @ 3:21pm

> repent of my sins
What's the difference between repeting of your sins and renouncing your sinfull actions? I Jesus calls us to repent of violence, then that must mean he calls us to renounce violence too, right?

by: oscoder

01-04-2010 @ 3:21pm

> repent of my sins
What's the difference between repeting of your sins and renouncing your sinfull actions? I Jesus calls us to repent of violence, then that must mean he calls us to renounce violence too, right?

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