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by: joel97206

01-08-2010 @ 4:25pm

I wonder why you feel that questioning Felicia's immigration status fits within our community's guidelines--"I will express myself with civility, courtesy, and respect for every member of the Sojourners online community." Is it because her country of origin is in Latin America? Are there other assumptions you would be willing to make because of her Latin American background?

by: joel97206

01-08-2010 @ 6:25pm

I wonder why you feel that questioning Felicia's immigration status fits within our community's guidelines--"I will express myself with civility, courtesy, and respect for every member of the Sojourners online community." Is it because her country of origin is in Latin America? Are there other assumptions you would be willing to make because of her Latin American background?

by: Joe_Allen_Doty

01-05-2010 @ 9:36pm

Interesting article. When I saw the title of this, I thought of Mel White's book, "Stranger at the Gate: To Be Gay and Christian in America."

But, Mel's story isn't about aliens who entered a country illegally. It's about accepting legals who are already here.

Most of the ADULT undocumented aliens in the USA knew they would be breaking US law before they even crosssed the border from Mexico.

by: joel97206

01-08-2010 @ 4:25pm

I wonder why you feel that questioning Felicia's immigration status fits within our community's guidelines--"I will express myself with civility, courtesy, and respect for every member of the Sojourners online community." Is it because her country of origin is in Latin America? Are there other assumptions you would be willing to make because of her Latin American background?

by: GlenPeterson

01-06-2010 @ 2:01am

I appreciate the leadership that Lynn Hybels and Willow Creek have taken here. More than an issue of politics, isn't it about our friends, our co-workers and relationships. Thanks for demonstrating that.

by: feliciafromnicaragua

01-06-2010 @ 2:47pm

And they have their reasons why they did it. As you know it´s very difficult for a poor person to apply for a U.S visa, besides the amount of money that you have to pay in order to apply.And if you get denied, you don't get any reimbursment back. I agree that there should be a better way for people to be able to enter legally to the U.S. But you need to try to put yourself in the shoes of these folks who go to the states in order in order to provide money for their families, I don't think their intentions are to have a "fun".

by: Joe_Allen_Doty

01-05-2010 @ 9:36pm

Interesting article. When I saw the title of this, I thought of Mel White's book, "Stranger at the Gate: To Be Gay and Christian in America."

But, Mel's story isn't about aliens who entered a country illegally. It's about accepting legals who are already here.

Most of the ADULT undocumented aliens in the USA knew they would be breaking US law before they even crosssed the border from Mexico.

by: GlenPeterson

01-06-2010 @ 2:01am

I appreciate the leadership that Lynn Hybels and Willow Creek have taken here. More than an issue of politics, isn't it about our friends, our co-workers and relationships. Thanks for demonstrating that.

by: feliciafromnicaragua

01-06-2010 @ 2:47pm

And they have their reasons why they did it. As you know it´s very difficult for a poor person to apply for a U.S visa, besides the amount of money that you have to pay in order to apply.And if you get denied, you don't get any reimbursment back. I agree that there should be a better way for people to be able to enter legally to the U.S. But you need to try to put yourself in the shoes of these folks who go to the states in order in order to provide money for their families, I don't think their intentions are to have a "fun".

by: joel97206

01-08-2010 @ 6:25pm

I wonder why you feel that questioning Felicia's immigration status fits within our community's guidelines--"I will express myself with civility, courtesy, and respect for every member of the Sojourners online community." Is it because her country of origin is in Latin America? Are there other assumptions you would be willing to make because of her Latin American background?

by: Joe_Allen_Doty

01-07-2010 @ 11:03pm

Did you legally enter the USA? Or did you sneak across the border?

Christians are trying to compare the aliens in Israel, Judea and Samaria at the time of Jesus and the Disciples' ministry with undocumented aliens in the USA in the 21st Century.

Those 2 countries in the Bible were a part of the Roman Empire and non-slave residents of one country could freely travel to other counties in the Roman Empire. It wasn't an illegal act to go from Greece or Syria to Israel in those days.

by: Joe_Allen_Doty

01-07-2010 @ 11:03pm

Did you legally enter the USA? Or did you sneak across the border?

Christians are trying to compare the aliens in Israel, Judea and Samaria at the time of Jesus and the Disciples' ministry with undocumented aliens in the USA in the 21st Century.

Those 2 countries in the Bible were a part of the Roman Empire and non-slave residents of one country could freely travel to other counties in the Roman Empire. It wasn't an illegal act to go from Greece or Syria to Israel in those days.

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by: Joe_Allen_Doty

01-05-2010 @ 9:36pm

Interesting article. When I saw the title of this, I thought of Mel White's book, "Stranger at the Gate: To Be Gay and Christian in America."

But, Mel's story isn't about aliens who entered a country illegally. It's about accepting legals who are already here.

Most of the ADULT undocumented aliens in the USA knew they would be breaking US law before they even crosssed the border from Mexico.

by: Joe_Allen_Doty

01-05-2010 @ 9:36pm

Interesting article. When I saw the title of this, I thought of Mel White's book, "Stranger at the Gate: To Be Gay and Christian in America."

But, Mel's story isn't about aliens who entered a country illegally. It's about accepting legals who are already here.

Most of the ADULT undocumented aliens in the USA knew they would be breaking US law before they even crosssed the border from Mexico.

by: GlenPeterson

01-06-2010 @ 2:01am

I appreciate the leadership that Lynn Hybels and Willow Creek have taken here. More than an issue of politics, isn't it about our friends, our co-workers and relationships. Thanks for demonstrating that.

by: GlenPeterson

01-06-2010 @ 2:01am

I appreciate the leadership that Lynn Hybels and Willow Creek have taken here. More than an issue of politics, isn't it about our friends, our co-workers and relationships. Thanks for demonstrating that.

by: feliciafromnicaragua

01-06-2010 @ 2:47pm

And they have their reasons why they did it. As you know it´s very difficult for a poor person to apply for a U.S visa, besides the amount of money that you have to pay in order to apply.And if you get denied, you don't get any reimbursment back. I agree that there should be a better way for people to be able to enter legally to the U.S. But you need to try to put yourself in the shoes of these folks who go to the states in order in order to provide money for their families, I don't think their intentions are to have a "fun".

by: feliciafromnicaragua

01-06-2010 @ 2:47pm

And they have their reasons why they did it. As you know it´s very difficult for a poor person to apply for a U.S visa, besides the amount of money that you have to pay in order to apply.And if you get denied, you don't get any reimbursment back. I agree that there should be a better way for people to be able to enter legally to the U.S. But you need to try to put yourself in the shoes of these folks who go to the states in order in order to provide money for their families, I don't think their intentions are to have a "fun".

by: Joe_Allen_Doty

01-07-2010 @ 11:03pm

Did you legally enter the USA? Or did you sneak across the border?

Christians are trying to compare the aliens in Israel, Judea and Samaria at the time of Jesus and the Disciples' ministry with undocumented aliens in the USA in the 21st Century.

Those 2 countries in the Bible were a part of the Roman Empire and non-slave residents of one country could freely travel to other counties in the Roman Empire. It wasn't an illegal act to go from Greece or Syria to Israel in those days.

by: Joe_Allen_Doty

01-07-2010 @ 11:03pm

Did you legally enter the USA? Or did you sneak across the border?

Christians are trying to compare the aliens in Israel, Judea and Samaria at the time of Jesus and the Disciples' ministry with undocumented aliens in the USA in the 21st Century.

Those 2 countries in the Bible were a part of the Roman Empire and non-slave residents of one country could freely travel to other counties in the Roman Empire. It wasn't an illegal act to go from Greece or Syria to Israel in those days.

by: joel97206

01-08-2010 @ 4:25pm

I wonder why you feel that questioning Felicia's immigration status fits within our community's guidelines--"I will express myself with civility, courtesy, and respect for every member of the Sojourners online community." Is it because her country of origin is in Latin America? Are there other assumptions you would be willing to make because of her Latin American background?

by: joel97206

01-08-2010 @ 4:25pm

I wonder why you feel that questioning Felicia's immigration status fits within our community's guidelines--"I will express myself with civility, courtesy, and respect for every member of the Sojourners online community." Is it because her country of origin is in Latin America? Are there other assumptions you would be willing to make because of her Latin American background?

by: joel97206

01-08-2010 @ 6:25pm

I wonder why you feel that questioning Felicia's immigration status fits within our community's guidelines--"I will express myself with civility, courtesy, and respect for every member of the Sojourners online community." Is it because her country of origin is in Latin America? Are there other assumptions you would be willing to make because of her Latin American background?

by: joel97206

01-08-2010 @ 6:25pm

I wonder why you feel that questioning Felicia's immigration status fits within our community's guidelines--"I will express myself with civility, courtesy, and respect for every member of the Sojourners online community." Is it because her country of origin is in Latin America? Are there other assumptions you would be willing to make because of her Latin American background?