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Rediscovering Values: On Wall Street, Main Street, and Your Street -- A Moral Compass for the New Economy

Because I wrote this book to help spark a national conversation on the "values crisis" underneath our economic crisis, and to suggest that we will need a moral recovery to accompany an economic one, I have decided to report on how that conversation is going on every day of the book tour.

Day One: Monday, Jan. 4. Against all conventional wisdom, we decided to launch this book in what most publishers would regard as one of the worst "book cities" in America, because many people in this hard-hit city just don't have the money to buy books these days. In light of that my publishers, Simon & Schuster, decided to give away free books in Detroit -- a very cool idea.

But still, an event organized for the first day after the long holiday period and on a very cold day in the Motor City was a bit of a risk, and the organizers were worried about the turnout. But streams of bundled up people began to pour in -- almost 500 all together. I talked about why I wrote the book, and explained that I thought the country was ready for a conversation on values, and that if we just go back to business as usual, all the pain and suffering in places in Detroit will have been in vain. But if we learn from this, and decide to "re-set" some of our values, practices, and policies, this Great Recession could prove to be redemptive.

Then, a large panel of Detroit leaders responded, and the conversation the book is trying to help start began. There were economists, journalists, pastors, theologians, and community organizers. The discussion was rich and provocative, addressing the values crisis on many levels-personal and family, congregational and community, national and political. Wall Street got a serious critique, but Main Street was also challenged. And the "green shoots of hope" in Detroit, which I describe in the book, began to come out. Then the audience got involved and the discussion got even better. As I listened to my hometown crowd, I thought to myself, this is exactly what I had hoped this book would produce: a new conversation on values, morality, and economy. The line at the bottom of the cover of the book says well what we need -- A Moral Compass for the New Economy. And it is a compass we will create together.

I did four radio interviews in Detroit. The first, on the biggest and most conservative station in town -- Frank Beckmann on WJR -- included the host asking me, "Are you a communist?" But it ended with him saying, "This is a man with a good heart." The local NPR talk show with Craig Fahle was a very thoughtful conversation. The leading news station in Detroit, WWJ, did an interview; and finally, Mildred Gaddis of WCBH, the top black audience show in Detroit, caught up with me the next day. I've been on with Mildred before and as always, she went to the deeper issues of this Great Recession and how the burden on all those who were already poor has been so brutal. But as I say in the book, it may be in places like Detroit -- where all you have left is hope -- that the new signs of life will first come.

Day One in Detroit was a good day.

Jim Wallis is the author of Rediscovering Values: On Wall Street, Main Street, and Your Street--A Moral Compass for the New Economy, CEO of Sojourners and blogs at www.godspolitics.com.

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by: BlueDeacon

01-08-2010 @ 5:14pm

I skimmed your top entry, and based on that you would probably not feel comfortable on this blog. I consider it a slur that you called President Obama a Marxist when in fact there is no basis to make that accusation other than that he's not a political libertarian. Such only adds fuel to the fire and is based almost exclusively on fear, which is the opposite of faith (specifically in Jesus Christ).

by: John Mulholland

01-08-2010 @ 7:56pm

"I consider it a slur that you called President Obama a Marxist when in fact there is no basis to make that accusation other than that he's not a political libertarian."

I'm with you. Any suggestion that he could have been influenced that way by the multitude of people that were avowed Marxists or Communists should be immediately discounted. Instead, we should look at the 11 months of his presidency and the way he has embraced capitalism and appointed free-market supporters to his economic staff.

by: John Mulholland

01-08-2010 @ 7:57pm

Oh, and so much for "I will not exaggerate others' beliefs nor make unfounded prejudicial assumptions based on labels, categories, or stereotypes. I will always extend the benefit of the doubt.", right BD?

by: revpauld

01-08-2010 @ 3:13pm

I attended the event at Riverside Church last night, and felt that Jim's address, and the panel discussion that followed, was very illuminating. I remembered watching the Daily Show the night Jon Stewart confronted Jim Cramer of "Mad Money", and having some of the same reactions Jim obviously did. I also see this as a moment that could lead to a transformation in how we think about economic matters and the relationship between economics, ethics, and values. However, as hopeful as I found the discussion, the one question I was left with was this: how can we move from a corporate focus on the next quarterly statement to the kind of "7th generation" perspective Jim talks about, where decisions that are made now are evaluated on how they will affect us seven generations into the future? Unless we can come up with some practical ways to change that perspective, anything else we do may be just whistling past the graveyard of our economic hopes and dreams. I hope Jim or someone else can suggest some answers to this question. Thank you for what you are doing to start the conversation.

by: BlueDeacon

01-08-2010 @ 8:27pm

I'm not exaggerating his beliefs in the least -- they were there for all to see.

by: BlueDeacon

01-08-2010 @ 8:31pm

Here is a short list of people who have been called Marxists/Communists/socialists for similar reasons:

Martin Luther King Jr.
Nelson Mandela
Jim Wallis
Ron Sider

In other words, I don't want to hear it.

by: John Mulholland

01-08-2010 @ 11:30pm

You made a "prejudicial assumption" that he would "not feel comfortable on this blog". (Your words).

I suppose we could all tow the Michael Moore line here, but what fun would that be?

by: thepatriotx

01-08-2010 @ 11:34pm

Jesus called a sinner a sinner, he called out the Pharisees for what they were to the point they killed him. Did he do it because he was afraid or because he was not afraid to expose evil when he saw it? Also I think to not recognize Obama as a Marxists, Progressive, Liberal or Communists, whatever label you want to give his philosophy I believe to deny the oblivious.

There is a fire whether you choose to recognize it or not, when people conspire to deny you, your God given rights there will always be fire. As Ronald Reagan said there is no peace without justice!

by: BlueDeacon

01-08-2010 @ 11:55pm

Read his very first post, his link and then his response to me. I see a
troublemaker, not someone who wants to discuss things rationally. My point
stands.

by: revpauld

01-12-2010 @ 10:24pm

"Also I think to not recognize Obama as a Marxists, Progressive, Liberal or Communists, whatever label you want to give his philosophy I believe to deny the oblivious."

I would not deny the oblivious, which is what I believe you must be. I think you actually meant to use the word "obvious" rather than oblivious, but if the shoe fits...Anyone who thinks there is no distinction to be made among the labels Marxist, Progressive, Liberal, and Communist is truly oblivious, so you said a mouthful there!

by: BlueDeacon

01-08-2010 @ 11:53pm

That's the very first problem with your writing, which does nothing but
polarize (and be advised that, over the years, we've had our share of
right-wing "educators" who have made some of the same pronouncements).
Calling anyone a "Marxist" is what's known in psychology as a
"thought-stopper," which means that "we don't care what anyone says -- you're
automatically wrong." Again, you've come to the wrong place to do that.

One other thing: I'm African-American and thus not about to forget that the
people who fought and died for my rights and freedoms were progressive;
conversely, the ones who fought against them were on the political
right. And it deeply offends me that you would use the holy name of Jesus in
that fashion, to marry Him to your self-centered political ideology.

by: thepatriotx

01-09-2010 @ 1:51am

Your argument sounds a little illogical, if you call me a Conservative or Nazi or Christian is that a show stopper and the end of the debate? Not for me! Why should it mean I don't care what someone has to say once they are labeled a Marxists, does it make you feel that way? Labels are a convenient and efficient way of communicating, you know that. If I want to tell you the horse cross the street am I wrong for using the label horse or should I describe the animal in enough detail for you to recognize that it is a horse I am referring to? If you have to avoid labels because you have those feelings towards someone then that is something you need to look at not me!

Last, I wouldn't feel deeply offended for Jesus, how I use his name is between me and him, he doesn't need your help, he can take care of himself and aren't you now doing the same thing you are accusing me of by calling me self-centered, have you not labeled me and tried to minimize me in the eyes of your audience with your label? How can you know my motivation for what I said, do you think you can see inside my heart or do you think you are helping Jesus again?

Folks I expect I will be banned at anytime from this man's blog because I won't bow to his philosophy.

by: BlueDeacon

01-09-2010 @ 2:18am

Your argument sounds a little illogical, if you call me a Conservative or
Nazi or Christian is that a show stopper and the end of the debate?

In essence yes, because at that point it breaks down into ad hominem
attacks which have nothing to do with the subject at hand and I personally
refuse to do that. But that's just what you do when you call Obama and anyone
who supports him a Marxist (which is at best a gross overstatement, to put it
mildly).

How can you know my motivation for what I said, do you think you can see
inside my heart or do you think you are helping Jesus again?

Oh, I get accused of that on a regular basis. Thing is, I don't need to "see
inside your heart"; your very words betray it quite obviously, especially when
you start using the term "Marxist." You see, I have enough experience with
hate (even in my own life) to recognize it when I see it; the trouble with the
political right is that it's often so full of itself it's blind to everything
else. That's why this nation is so polarized.

More to the point, however, if you're really interested in contributing to the
conversation in the way that you say you are, you ought to listen to other
people who don't think the way you do and not think that your ideology
represents holy writ to be defended at all costs. The Sojourners community
has existed since the early 1970s, long before the establishment of the
"religious right," so it's not going to change just because you disagree with
it ideologically. So if you think you're going to come on this blog to "set
everybody straight," I'm telling you as a fellow Christian that you're simply
wasting your time.

by: thepatriotx

01-09-2010 @ 3:03am

If you claim to have the wisdom of experience to recognize the hate you claim is in my heart then I claim to have the wisdom to recognize a Marxists when I see one sir.

WOW! the way to talk to me, you sound like a very bitter man! The insults and labels and hatred you have spewed out since the beginning these exchanges betrays your troubled soul and I never said I was a conservative let alone a far right conservative, I never said I was a Christian either. You keep throwing out these insults in an attempt to categorize me, that means label me sir, something you claim you don't participate in, it's astounding how you just keep doing what it is you accuse me of.

You may be someone's Reverend but I am glad you are not mine, with the insults and predigests and hatred that spews out of your mouth because you think I have attached one of your precious fellow lefties is remarkable.

by: BlueDeacon

01-09-2010 @ 12:32pm

If you claim to have the wisdom of experience to recognize the hate you
claim is in my heart then I claim to have the wisdom to recognize a Marxists
when I see one sir.

Utter nonsense; what you insist is a lot like calling me the N-word. Please
take another look at the list of names of people I have already posted who
have been accused of being Marxists.

Oh, and by the way, you yourself did say you were a Christian. And no, I'm
not bitter in the least; however, the tone of your postings suggest that you
are, and I've seen that before.

by: BlueDeacon

01-09-2010 @ 12:35pm

You can make no such claim. Please reread the list of people I have already
posted who have been accused of being Marxists.

And no, I'm not bitter -- I just don't suffer fools lightly and have no
patience with people who throw around epithets instead of engaging in serious
debate. And making those kind of accusations is no way to do that.

by: BlueDeacon

01-08-2010 @ 5:14pm

I skimmed your top entry, and based on that you would probably not feel comfortable on this blog. I consider it a slur that you called President Obama a Marxist when in fact there is no basis to make that accusation other than that he's not a political libertarian. Such only adds fuel to the fire and is based almost exclusively on fear, which is the opposite of faith (specifically in Jesus Christ).

by: John Mulholland

01-08-2010 @ 7:56pm

"I consider it a slur that you called President Obama a Marxist when in fact there is no basis to make that accusation other than that he's not a political libertarian."

I'm with you. Any suggestion that he could have been influenced that way by the multitude of people that were avowed Marxists or Communists should be immediately discounted. Instead, we should look at the 11 months of his presidency and the way he has embraced capitalism and appointed free-market supporters to his economic staff.

by: John Mulholland

01-08-2010 @ 7:57pm

Oh, and so much for "I will not exaggerate others' beliefs nor make unfounded prejudicial assumptions based on labels, categories, or stereotypes. I will always extend the benefit of the doubt.", right BD?

by: BlueDeacon

01-08-2010 @ 8:27pm

I'm not exaggerating his beliefs in the least -- they were there for all to see.

by: BlueDeacon

01-08-2010 @ 8:31pm

Here is a short list of people who have been called Marxists/Communists/socialists for similar reasons:

Martin Luther King Jr.
Nelson Mandela
Jim Wallis
Ron Sider

In other words, I don't want to hear it.

by: John Mulholland

01-08-2010 @ 11:30pm

You made a "prejudicial assumption" that he would "not feel comfortable on this blog". (Your words).

I suppose we could all tow the Michael Moore line here, but what fun would that be?

by: thepatriotx

01-08-2010 @ 11:34pm

Jesus called a sinner a sinner, he called out the Pharisees for what they were to the point they killed him. Did he do it because he was afraid or because he was not afraid to expose evil when he saw it? Also I think to not recognize Obama as a Marxists, Progressive, Liberal or Communists, whatever label you want to give his philosophy I believe to deny the oblivious.

There is a fire whether you choose to recognize it or not, when people conspire to deny you, your God given rights there will always be fire. As Ronald Reagan said there is no peace without justice!

by: BlueDeacon

01-08-2010 @ 11:55pm

Read his very first post, his link and then his response to me. I see a
troublemaker, not someone who wants to discuss things rationally. My point
stands.

by: BlueDeacon

01-08-2010 @ 11:53pm

That's the very first problem with your writing, which does nothing but
polarize (and be advised that, over the years, we've had our share of
right-wing "educators" who have made some of the same pronouncements).
Calling anyone a "Marxist" is what's known in psychology as a
"thought-stopper," which means that "we don't care what anyone says -- you're
automatically wrong." Again, you've come to the wrong place to do that.

One other thing: I'm African-American and thus not about to forget that the
people who fought and died for my rights and freedoms were progressive;
conversely, the ones who fought against them were on the political
right. And it deeply offends me that you would use the holy name of Jesus in
that fashion, to marry Him to your self-centered political ideology.

by: thepatriotx

01-09-2010 @ 1:51am

Your argument sounds a little illogical, if you call me a Conservative or Nazi or Christian is that a show stopper and the end of the debate? Not for me! Why should it mean I don't care what someone has to say once they are labeled a Marxists, does it make you feel that way? Labels are a convenient and efficient way of communicating, you know that. If I want to tell you the horse cross the street am I wrong for using the label horse or should I describe the animal in enough detail for you to recognize that it is a horse I am referring to? If you have to avoid labels because you have those feelings towards someone then that is something you need to look at not me!

Last, I wouldn't feel deeply offended for Jesus, how I use his name is between me and him, he doesn't need your help, he can take care of himself and aren't you now doing the same thing you are accusing me of by calling me self-centered, have you not labeled me and tried to minimize me in the eyes of your audience with your label? How can you know my motivation for what I said, do you think you can see inside my heart or do you think you are helping Jesus again?

Folks I expect I will be banned at anytime from this man's blog because I won't bow to his philosophy.

by: revpauld

01-12-2010 @ 10:24pm

"Also I think to not recognize Obama as a Marxists, Progressive, Liberal or Communists, whatever label you want to give his philosophy I believe to deny the oblivious."

I would not deny the oblivious, which is what I believe you must be. I think you actually meant to use the word "obvious" rather than oblivious, but if the shoe fits...Anyone who thinks there is no distinction to be made among the labels Marxist, Progressive, Liberal, and Communist is truly oblivious, so you said a mouthful there!

by: BlueDeacon

01-09-2010 @ 2:18am

Your argument sounds a little illogical, if you call me a Conservative or
Nazi or Christian is that a show stopper and the end of the debate?

In essence yes, because at that point it breaks down into ad hominem
attacks which have nothing to do with the subject at hand and I personally
refuse to do that. But that's just what you do when you call Obama and anyone
who supports him a Marxist (which is at best a gross overstatement, to put it
mildly).

How can you know my motivation for what I said, do you think you can see
inside my heart or do you think you are helping Jesus again?

Oh, I get accused of that on a regular basis. Thing is, I don't need to "see
inside your heart"; your very words betray it quite obviously, especially when
you start using the term "Marxist." You see, I have enough experience with
hate (even in my own life) to recognize it when I see it; the trouble with the
political right is that it's often so full of itself it's blind to everything
else. That's why this nation is so polarized.

More to the point, however, if you're really interested in contributing to the
conversation in the way that you say you are, you ought to listen to other
people who don't think the way you do and not think that your ideology
represents holy writ to be defended at all costs. The Sojourners community
has existed since the early 1970s, long before the establishment of the
"religious right," so it's not going to change just because you disagree with
it ideologically. So if you think you're going to come on this blog to "set
everybody straight," I'm telling you as a fellow Christian that you're simply
wasting your time.

by: thepatriotx

01-09-2010 @ 3:03am

If you claim to have the wisdom of experience to recognize the hate you claim is in my heart then I claim to have the wisdom to recognize a Marxists when I see one sir.

WOW! the way to talk to me, you sound like a very bitter man! The insults and labels and hatred you have spewed out since the beginning these exchanges betrays your troubled soul and I never said I was a conservative let alone a far right conservative, I never said I was a Christian either. You keep throwing out these insults in an attempt to categorize me, that means label me sir, something you claim you don't participate in, it's astounding how you just keep doing what it is you accuse me of.

You may be someone's Reverend but I am glad you are not mine, with the insults and predigests and hatred that spews out of your mouth because you think I have attached one of your precious fellow lefties is remarkable.

by: BlueDeacon

01-09-2010 @ 12:32pm

If you claim to have the wisdom of experience to recognize the hate you
claim is in my heart then I claim to have the wisdom to recognize a Marxists
when I see one sir.

Utter nonsense; what you insist is a lot like calling me the N-word. Please
take another look at the list of names of people I have already posted who
have been accused of being Marxists.

Oh, and by the way, you yourself did say you were a Christian. And no, I'm
not bitter in the least; however, the tone of your postings suggest that you
are, and I've seen that before.

by: BlueDeacon

01-09-2010 @ 12:35pm

You can make no such claim. Please reread the list of people I have already
posted who have been accused of being Marxists.

And no, I'm not bitter -- I just don't suffer fools lightly and have no
patience with people who throw around epithets instead of engaging in serious
debate. And making those kind of accusations is no way to do that.

by: revpauld

01-13-2010 @ 12:24am

"Also I think to not recognize Obama as a Marxists, Progressive, Liberal or Communists, whatever label you want to give his philosophy I believe to deny the oblivious."

I would not deny the oblivious, which is what I believe you must be. I think you actually meant to use the word "obvious" rather than oblivious, but if the shoe fits...Anyone who thinks there is no distinction to be made among the labels Marxist, Progressive, Liberal, and Communist is truly oblivious, so you said a mouthful there!

by: ckgmail

01-07-2010 @ 6:01pm

Good! This was the mainest of streets, certainly not just the NY, DC, California circuit. Still hope you can come to Amarillo or Lubbock on this tour.

by: ppagan

01-07-2010 @ 6:20pm

Dear Jim,

On Jan. 6 I heard you sharing with Tom Ashbrook some of your ideas on moral values and economics [http://www.onpointradio.org/2010/01/jim-wallis-on-values-and-the-economy]. Although I'm sometimes described as a "conservative," I tend to agree with the views you expressed. For more than a decade I've stressed the intimate connection between economics and ethics, and a decline in the latter tends (not surprisingly) to promote a decline in the former. It seems to me that the global economic downturn is rooted ultimately in a moral/spiritual crisis. You may already be familiar with _Wealth, Poverty, and Human Destiny_ [http://www.isi.org/books/bookdetail.aspx?id=065113a6-21d1-42dd-b203-ff67ff337cb9] (a collection of papers defending widely diverse positions), _The Vocation of Business: Social Justice in the Marketplace_ [http://www.amazon.com/Vocation-Business-Social-Justice-Marketplace/dp/0826428096] (which promotes a distributivist approach to economics), and _Caritas in Veritate_ [http://www.usccb.org/caritasinveritate/] (which has encouraged numerous serious conversations at the international level). These three works deserve serious critical reflection.

Pax,

Peter Pagan, Ph.D.
Aquinas College
Nashville, TN
ppagan@aquinascollege.edu
http://www.aquinascollege.

by: jonabark

01-11-2010 @ 1:41am

Just for your information, Marxist is the singular form of the noun Marxist, and Marxists is the plural form of the word. So you can correctly refer to a Marxist or to several Marxists but to call a person "a Marxists" is not standard English usage.

Actually your use of language is made less effective because there are basic errors. For example, you use the word oblivious when you mean to say obvious.

Your writing will be more persuasive if you read more and maybe take a writing course.

by: thepatriotx

01-11-2010 @ 4:48am

Whether its Marxist or Marxists, Communist, Progressive or Liberal, one thing is true. Any philosophy that at the core of it depends on putting a gun to my head in order to confiscate my property in the form of taxes is evil. That's an indictment of conservatives also but it they want a couple bucks from me the Progressives/Liberals want my soul!

by: jonabark

01-11-2010 @ 2:00pm

Who put a gun to your head? How has government changed? The corruption in government has little to do with the minor divisions between Democrats and Republicans, but is a result of corporations and military bases and suppliers' ability to bribe politicians. They are the ones with the guns and the bucks.

by: letjusticerolldown

01-11-2010 @ 3:12pm

What about backing off the "marxist" label and simply describe the two or three fundamental actions you disagree with and how that adds up for you?

by: ckgmail

01-07-2010 @ 6:01pm

Good! This was the mainest of streets, certainly not just the NY, DC, California circuit. Still hope you can come to Amarillo or Lubbock on this tour.

by: ppagan

01-07-2010 @ 6:20pm

Dear Jim,

On Jan. 6 I heard you sharing with Tom Ashbrook some of your ideas on moral values and economics [http://www.onpointradio.org/2010/01/jim-wallis-on-values-and-the-economy]. Although I'm sometimes described as a "conservative," I tend to agree with the views you expressed. For more than a decade I've stressed the intimate connection between economics and ethics, and a decline in the latter tends (not surprisingly) to promote a decline in the former. It seems to me that the global economic downturn is rooted ultimately in a moral/spiritual crisis. You may already be familiar with _Wealth, Poverty, and Human Destiny_ [http://www.isi.org/books/bookdetail.aspx?id=065113a6-21d1-42dd-b203-ff67ff337cb9] (a collection of papers defending widely diverse positions), _The Vocation of Business: Social Justice in the Marketplace_ [http://www.amazon.com/Vocation-Business-Social-Justice-Marketplace/dp/0826428096] (which promotes a distributivist approach to economics), and _Caritas in Veritate_ [http://www.usccb.org/caritasinveritate/] (which has encouraged numerous serious conversations at the international level). These three works deserve serious critical reflection.

Pax,

Peter Pagan, Ph.D.
Aquinas College
Nashville, TN
ppagan@aquinascollege.edu
http://www.aquinascollege.

by: jonabark

01-11-2010 @ 1:41am

Just for your information, Marxist is the singular form of the noun Marxist, and Marxists is the plural form of the word. So you can correctly refer to a Marxist or to several Marxists but to call a person "a Marxists" is not standard English usage.

Actually your use of language is made less effective because there are basic errors. For example, you use the word oblivious when you mean to say obvious.

Your writing will be more persuasive if you read more and maybe take a writing course.

by: thepatriotx

01-11-2010 @ 4:48am

Whether its Marxist or Marxists, Communist, Progressive or Liberal, one thing is true. Any philosophy that at the core of it depends on putting a gun to my head in order to confiscate my property in the form of taxes is evil. That's an indictment of conservatives also but it they want a couple bucks from me the Progressives/Liberals want my soul!

by: RadicalChristianLibrarian

01-08-2010 @ 5:47am

What a great start- I am so proud of Simon & Schuster for taking such a chance and giving away free copies of this book to the people of Detroit. In fact, I am so moved that I will be purchasing a copy of it asap.

I'm so glad that walls of division seem to be coming down, brick by brick- as with the conservative talk show host who started with asking if Rev. Wallis is a communist and ending with a warm and wonderfully human compliment. We must listen to each other! Kind words steeped in hope can melt the coldest hearts!

by: thepatriotx

01-08-2010 @ 8:04am

After 56 years on this earth I have finally felt the need to speak up, it seems many others who never wanted or thought they needed to are acting up now. I feel like the country I know and love, the country that was built on the principles of the founders is slipping away so I too think we need to have a fundamental conversation a conversation of values. I am even started to blogging hoping to add to the conversation that will build a ground swell for fundamental change but not the fundamental change Obama has referred to. Even though I hate to write here is where I hope to add to the conversation in a truly meaningful way. http://blog.sojo.net/feed/

by: jonabark

01-11-2010 @ 2:00pm

Who put a gun to your head? How has government changed? The corruption in government has little to do with the minor divisions between Democrats and Republicans, but is a result of corporations and military bases and suppliers' ability to bribe politicians. They are the ones with the guns and the bucks.

by: letjusticerolldown

01-11-2010 @ 3:12pm

What about backing off the "marxist" label and simply describe the two or three fundamental actions you disagree with and how that adds up for you?

by: revpauld

01-08-2010 @ 3:13pm

I attended the event at Riverside Church last night, and felt that Jim's address, and the panel discussion that followed, was very illuminating. I remembered watching the Daily Show the night Jon Stewart confronted Jim Cramer of "Mad Money", and having some of the same reactions Jim obviously did. I also see this as a moment that could lead to a transformation in how we think about economic matters and the relationship between economics, ethics, and values. However, as hopeful as I found the discussion, the one question I was left with was this: how can we move from a corporate focus on the next quarterly statement to the kind of "7th generation" perspective Jim talks about, where decisions that are made now are evaluated on how they will affect us seven generations into the future? Unless we can come up with some practical ways to change that perspective, anything else we do may be just whistling past the graveyard of our economic hopes and dreams. I hope Jim or someone else can suggest some answers to this question. Thank you for what you are doing to start the conversation.

by: revpauld

01-13-2010 @ 12:24am

"Also I think to not recognize Obama as a Marxists, Progressive, Liberal or Communists, whatever label you want to give his philosophy I believe to deny the oblivious."

I would not deny the oblivious, which is what I believe you must be. I think you actually meant to use the word "obvious" rather than oblivious, but if the shoe fits...Anyone who thinks there is no distinction to be made among the labels Marxist, Progressive, Liberal, and Communist is truly oblivious, so you said a mouthful there!

by: RadicalChristianLibrarian

01-08-2010 @ 5:47am

What a great start- I am so proud of Simon & Schuster for taking such a chance and giving away free copies of this book to the people of Detroit. In fact, I am so moved that I will be purchasing a copy of it asap.

I'm so glad that walls of division seem to be coming down, brick by brick- as with the conservative talk show host who started with asking if Rev. Wallis is a communist and ending with a warm and wonderfully human compliment. We must listen to each other! Kind words steeped in hope can melt the coldest hearts!

by: thepatriotx

01-08-2010 @ 8:04am

After 56 years on this earth I have finally felt the need to speak up, it seems many others who never wanted or thought they needed to are acting up now. I feel like the country I know and love, the country that was built on the principles of the founders is slipping away so I too think we need to have a fundamental conversation a conversation of values. I am even started to blogging hoping to add to the conversation that will build a ground swell for fundamental change but not the fundamental change Obama has referred to. Even though I hate to write here is where I hope to add to the conversation in a truly meaningful way. http://blog.sojo.net/feed/

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by: ckgmail

01-07-2010 @ 6:01pm

Good! This was the mainest of streets, certainly not just the NY, DC, California circuit. Still hope you can come to Amarillo or Lubbock on this tour.

by: ckgmail

01-07-2010 @ 6:01pm

Good! This was the mainest of streets, certainly not just the NY, DC, California circuit. Still hope you can come to Amarillo or Lubbock on this tour.

by: ppagan

01-07-2010 @ 6:20pm

Dear Jim,

On Jan. 6 I heard you sharing with Tom Ashbrook some of your ideas on moral values and economics [http://www.onpointradio.org/2010/01/jim-wallis-on-values-and-the-economy]. Although I'm sometimes described as a "conservative," I tend to agree with the views you expressed. For more than a decade I've stressed the intimate connection between economics and ethics, and a decline in the latter tends (not surprisingly) to promote a decline in the former. It seems to me that the global economic downturn is rooted ultimately in a moral/spiritual crisis. You may already be familiar with _Wealth, Poverty, and Human Destiny_ [http://www.isi.org/books/bookdetail.aspx?id=065113a6-21d1-42dd-b203-ff67ff337cb9] (a collection of papers defending widely diverse positions), _The Vocation of Business: Social Justice in the Marketplace_ [http://www.amazon.com/Vocation-Business-Social-Justice-Marketplace/dp/0826428096] (which promotes a distributivist approach to economics), and _Caritas in Veritate_ [http://www.usccb.org/caritasinveritate/] (which has encouraged numerous serious conversations at the international level). These three works deserve serious critical reflection.

Pax,

Peter Pagan, Ph.D.
Aquinas College
Nashville, TN
ppagan@aquinascollege.edu
http://www.aquinascollege.

by: ppagan

01-07-2010 @ 6:20pm

Dear Jim,

On Jan. 6 I heard you sharing with Tom Ashbrook some of your ideas on moral values and economics [http://www.onpointradio.org/2010/01/jim-wallis-on-values-and-the-economy]. Although I'm sometimes described as a "conservative," I tend to agree with the views you expressed. For more than a decade I've stressed the intimate connection between economics and ethics, and a decline in the latter tends (not surprisingly) to promote a decline in the former. It seems to me that the global economic downturn is rooted ultimately in a moral/spiritual crisis. You may already be familiar with _Wealth, Poverty, and Human Destiny_ [http://www.isi.org/books/bookdetail.aspx?id=065113a6-21d1-42dd-b203-ff67ff337cb9] (a collection of papers defending widely diverse positions), _The Vocation of Business: Social Justice in the Marketplace_ [http://www.amazon.com/Vocation-Business-Social-Justice-Marketplace/dp/0826428096] (which promotes a distributivist approach to economics), and _Caritas in Veritate_ [http://www.usccb.org/caritasinveritate/] (which has encouraged numerous serious conversations at the international level). These three works deserve serious critical reflection.

Pax,

Peter Pagan, Ph.D.
Aquinas College
Nashville, TN
ppagan@aquinascollege.edu
http://www.aquinascollege.

by: RadicalChristianLibrarian

01-08-2010 @ 5:47am

What a great start- I am so proud of Simon & Schuster for taking such a chance and giving away free copies of this book to the people of Detroit. In fact, I am so moved that I will be purchasing a copy of it asap.

I'm so glad that walls of division seem to be coming down, brick by brick- as with the conservative talk show host who started with asking if Rev. Wallis is a communist and ending with a warm and wonderfully human compliment. We must listen to each other! Kind words steeped in hope can melt the coldest hearts!

by: RadicalChristianLibrarian

01-08-2010 @ 5:47am

What a great start- I am so proud of Simon & Schuster for taking such a chance and giving away free copies of this book to the people of Detroit. In fact, I am so moved that I will be purchasing a copy of it asap.

I'm so glad that walls of division seem to be coming down, brick by brick- as with the conservative talk show host who started with asking if Rev. Wallis is a communist and ending with a warm and wonderfully human compliment. We must listen to each other! Kind words steeped in hope can melt the coldest hearts!

by: thepatriotx

01-08-2010 @ 8:04am

After 56 years on this earth I have finally felt the need to speak up, it seems many others who never wanted or thought they needed to are acting up now. I feel like the country I know and love, the country that was built on the principles of the founders is slipping away so I too think we need to have a fundamental conversation a conversation of values. I am even started to blogging hoping to add to the conversation that will build a ground swell for fundamental change but not the fundamental change Obama has referred to. Even though I hate to write here is where I hope to add to the conversation in a truly meaningful way. http://blog.sojo.net/feed/

by: thepatriotx

01-08-2010 @ 8:04am

After 56 years on this earth I have finally felt the need to speak up, it seems many others who never wanted or thought they needed to are acting up now. I feel like the country I know and love, the country that was built on the principles of the founders is slipping away so I too think we need to have a fundamental conversation a conversation of values. I am even started to blogging hoping to add to the conversation that will build a ground swell for fundamental change but not the fundamental change Obama has referred to. Even though I hate to write here is where I hope to add to the conversation in a truly meaningful way. http://blog.sojo.net/feed/

by: revpauld

01-08-2010 @ 3:13pm

I attended the event at Riverside Church last night, and felt that Jim's address, and the panel discussion that followed, was very illuminating. I remembered watching the Daily Show the night Jon Stewart confronted Jim Cramer of "Mad Money", and having some of the same reactions Jim obviously did. I also see this as a moment that could lead to a transformation in how we think about economic matters and the relationship between economics, ethics, and values. However, as hopeful as I found the discussion, the one question I was left with was this: how can we move from a corporate focus on the next quarterly statement to the kind of "7th generation" perspective Jim talks about, where decisions that are made now are evaluated on how they will affect us seven generations into the future? Unless we can come up with some practical ways to change that perspective, anything else we do may be just whistling past the graveyard of our economic hopes and dreams. I hope Jim or someone else can suggest some answers to this question. Thank you for what you are doing to start the conversation.

by: revpauld

01-08-2010 @ 3:13pm

I attended the event at Riverside Church last night, and felt that Jim's address, and the panel discussion that followed, was very illuminating. I remembered watching the Daily Show the night Jon Stewart confronted Jim Cramer of "Mad Money", and having some of the same reactions Jim obviously did. I also see this as a moment that could lead to a transformation in how we think about economic matters and the relationship between economics, ethics, and values. However, as hopeful as I found the discussion, the one question I was left with was this: how can we move from a corporate focus on the next quarterly statement to the kind of "7th generation" perspective Jim talks about, where decisions that are made now are evaluated on how they will affect us seven generations into the future? Unless we can come up with some practical ways to change that perspective, anything else we do may be just whistling past the graveyard of our economic hopes and dreams. I hope Jim or someone else can suggest some answers to this question. Thank you for what you are doing to start the conversation.

by: BlueDeacon

01-08-2010 @ 5:14pm

I skimmed your top entry, and based on that you would probably not feel comfortable on this blog. I consider it a slur that you called President Obama a Marxist when in fact there is no basis to make that accusation other than that he's not a political libertarian. Such only adds fuel to the fire and is based almost exclusively on fear, which is the opposite of faith (specifically in Jesus Christ).

by: BlueDeacon

01-08-2010 @ 5:14pm

I skimmed your top entry, and based on that you would probably not feel comfortable on this blog. I consider it a slur that you called President Obama a Marxist when in fact there is no basis to make that accusation other than that he's not a political libertarian. Such only adds fuel to the fire and is based almost exclusively on fear, which is the opposite of faith (specifically in Jesus Christ).

by: John Mulholland

01-08-2010 @ 7:56pm

"I consider it a slur that you called President Obama a Marxist when in fact there is no basis to make that accusation other than that he's not a political libertarian."

I'm with you. Any suggestion that he could have been influenced that way by the multitude of people that were avowed Marxists or Communists should be immediately discounted. Instead, we should look at the 11 months of his presidency and the way he has embraced capitalism and appointed free-market supporters to his economic staff.

by: John Mulholland

01-08-2010 @ 7:56pm

"I consider it a slur that you called President Obama a Marxist when in fact there is no basis to make that accusation other than that he's not a political libertarian."

I'm with you. Any suggestion that he could have been influenced that way by the multitude of people that were avowed Marxists or Communists should be immediately discounted. Instead, we should look at the 11 months of his presidency and the way he has embraced capitalism and appointed free-market supporters to his economic staff.

by: John Mulholland

01-08-2010 @ 7:57pm

Oh, and so much for "I will not exaggerate others' beliefs nor make unfounded prejudicial assumptions based on labels, categories, or stereotypes. I will always extend the benefit of the doubt.", right BD?

by: John Mulholland

01-08-2010 @ 7:57pm

Oh, and so much for "I will not exaggerate others' beliefs nor make unfounded prejudicial assumptions based on labels, categories, or stereotypes. I will always extend the benefit of the doubt.", right BD?

by: BlueDeacon

01-08-2010 @ 8:27pm

I'm not exaggerating his beliefs in the least -- they were there for all to see.

by: BlueDeacon

01-08-2010 @ 8:27pm

I'm not exaggerating his beliefs in the least -- they were there for all to see.

by: BlueDeacon

01-08-2010 @ 8:31pm

Here is a short list of people who have been called Marxists/Communists/socialists for similar reasons:

Martin Luther King Jr.
Nelson Mandela
Jim Wallis
Ron Sider

In other words, I don't want to hear it.

by: BlueDeacon

01-08-2010 @ 8:31pm

Here is a short list of people who have been called Marxists/Communists/socialists for similar reasons:

Martin Luther King Jr.
Nelson Mandela
Jim Wallis
Ron Sider

In other words, I don't want to hear it.

by: John Mulholland

01-08-2010 @ 11:30pm

You made a "prejudicial assumption" that he would "not feel comfortable on this blog". (Your words).

I suppose we could all tow the Michael Moore line here, but what fun would that be?

by: John Mulholland

01-08-2010 @ 11:30pm

You made a "prejudicial assumption" that he would "not feel comfortable on this blog". (Your words).

I suppose we could all tow the Michael Moore line here, but what fun would that be?

by: thepatriotx

01-08-2010 @ 11:34pm

Jesus called a sinner a sinner, he called out the Pharisees for what they were to the point they killed him. Did he do it because he was afraid or because he was not afraid to expose evil when he saw it? Also I think to not recognize Obama as a Marxists, Progressive, Liberal or Communists, whatever label you want to give his philosophy I believe to deny the oblivious.

There is a fire whether you choose to recognize it or not, when people conspire to deny you, your God given rights there will always be fire. As Ronald Reagan said there is no peace without justice!

by: thepatriotx

01-08-2010 @ 11:34pm

Jesus called a sinner a sinner, he called out the Pharisees for what they were to the point they killed him. Did he do it because he was afraid or because he was not afraid to expose evil when he saw it? Also I think to not recognize Obama as a Marxists, Progressive, Liberal or Communists, whatever label you want to give his philosophy I believe to deny the oblivious.

There is a fire whether you choose to recognize it or not, when people conspire to deny you, your God given rights there will always be fire. As Ronald Reagan said there is no peace without justice!

by: BlueDeacon

01-08-2010 @ 11:53pm

That's the very first problem with your writing, which does nothing but
polarize (and be advised that, over the years, we've had our share of
right-wing "educators" who have made some of the same pronouncements).
Calling anyone a "Marxist" is what's known in psychology as a
"thought-stopper," which means that "we don't care what anyone says -- you're
automatically wrong." Again, you've come to the wrong place to do that.

One other thing: I'm African-American and thus not about to forget that the
people who fought and died for my rights and freedoms were progressive;
conversely, the ones who fought against them were on the political
right. And it deeply offends me that you would use the holy name of Jesus in
that fashion, to marry Him to your self-centered political ideology.

by: BlueDeacon

01-08-2010 @ 11:53pm

That's the very first problem with your writing, which does nothing but
polarize (and be advised that, over the years, we've had our share of
right-wing "educators" who have made some of the same pronouncements).
Calling anyone a "Marxist" is what's known in psychology as a
"thought-stopper," which means that "we don't care what anyone says -- you're
automatically wrong." Again, you've come to the wrong place to do that.

One other thing: I'm African-American and thus not about to forget that the
people who fought and died for my rights and freedoms were progressive;
conversely, the ones who fought against them were on the political
right. And it deeply offends me that you would use the holy name of Jesus in
that fashion, to marry Him to your self-centered political ideology.

by: BlueDeacon

01-08-2010 @ 11:55pm

Read his very first post, his link and then his response to me. I see a
troublemaker, not someone who wants to discuss things rationally. My point
stands.

by: BlueDeacon

01-08-2010 @ 11:55pm

Read his very first post, his link and then his response to me. I see a
troublemaker, not someone who wants to discuss things rationally. My point
stands.

by: thepatriotx

01-09-2010 @ 1:51am

Your argument sounds a little illogical, if you call me a Conservative or Nazi or Christian is that a show stopper and the end of the debate? Not for me! Why should it mean I don't care what someone has to say once they are labeled a Marxists, does it make you feel that way? Labels are a convenient and efficient way of communicating, you know that. If I want to tell you the horse cross the street am I wrong for using the label horse or should I describe the animal in enough detail for you to recognize that it is a horse I am referring to? If you have to avoid labels because you have those feelings towards someone then that is something you need to look at not me!

Last, I wouldn't feel deeply offended for Jesus, how I use his name is between me and him, he doesn't need your help, he can take care of himself and aren't you now doing the same thing you are accusing me of by calling me self-centered, have you not labeled me and tried to minimize me in the eyes of your audience with your label? How can you know my motivation for what I said, do you think you can see inside my heart or do you think you are helping Jesus again?

Folks I expect I will be banned at anytime from this man's blog because I won't bow to his philosophy.

by: thepatriotx

01-09-2010 @ 1:51am

Your argument sounds a little illogical, if you call me a Conservative or Nazi or Christian is that a show stopper and the end of the debate? Not for me! Why should it mean I don't care what someone has to say once they are labeled a Marxists, does it make you feel that way? Labels are a convenient and efficient way of communicating, you know that. If I want to tell you the horse cross the street am I wrong for using the label horse or should I describe the animal in enough detail for you to recognize that it is a horse I am referring to? If you have to avoid labels because you have those feelings towards someone then that is something you need to look at not me!

Last, I wouldn't feel deeply offended for Jesus, how I use his name is between me and him, he doesn't need your help, he can take care of himself and aren't you now doing the same thing you are accusing me of by calling me self-centered, have you not labeled me and tried to minimize me in the eyes of your audience with your label? How can you know my motivation for what I said, do you think you can see inside my heart or do you think you are helping Jesus again?

Folks I expect I will be banned at anytime from this man's blog because I won't bow to his philosophy.

by: BlueDeacon

01-09-2010 @ 2:18am

Your argument sounds a little illogical, if you call me a Conservative or
Nazi or Christian is that a show stopper and the end of the debate?

In essence yes, because at that point it breaks down into ad hominem
attacks which have nothing to do with the subject at hand and I personally
refuse to do that. But that's just what you do when you call Obama and anyone
who supports him a Marxist (which is at best a gross overstatement, to put it
mildly).

How can you know my motivation for what I said, do you think you can see
inside my heart or do you think you are helping Jesus again?

Oh, I get accused of that on a regular basis. Thing is, I don't need to "see
inside your heart"; your very words betray it quite obviously, especially when
you start using the term "Marxist." You see, I have enough experience with
hate (even in my own life) to recognize it when I see it; the trouble with the
political right is that it's often so full of itself it's blind to everything
else. That's why this nation is so polarized.

More to the point, however, if you're really interested in contributing to the
conversation in the way that you say you are, you ought to listen to other
people who don't think the way you do and not think that your ideology
represents holy writ to be defended at all costs. The Sojourners community
has existed since the early 1970s, long before the establishment of the
"religious right," so it's not going to change just because you disagree with
it ideologically. So if you think you're going to come on this blog to "set
everybody straight," I'm telling you as a fellow Christian that you're simply
wasting your time.

by: BlueDeacon

01-09-2010 @ 2:18am

Your argument sounds a little illogical, if you call me a Conservative or
Nazi or Christian is that a show stopper and the end of the debate?

In essence yes, because at that point it breaks down into ad hominem
attacks which have nothing to do with the subject at hand and I personally
refuse to do that. But that's just what you do when you call Obama and anyone
who supports him a Marxist (which is at best a gross overstatement, to put it
mildly).

How can you know my motivation for what I said, do you think you can see
inside my heart or do you think you are helping Jesus again?

Oh, I get accused of that on a regular basis. Thing is, I don't need to "see
inside your heart"; your very words betray it quite obviously, especially when
you start using the term "Marxist." You see, I have enough experience with
hate (even in my own life) to recognize it when I see it; the trouble with the
political right is that it's often so full of itself it's blind to everything
else. That's why this nation is so polarized.

More to the point, however, if you're really interested in contributing to the
conversation in the way that you say you are, you ought to listen to other
people who don't think the way you do and not think that your ideology
represents holy writ to be defended at all costs. The Sojourners community
has existed since the early 1970s, long before the establishment of the
"religious right," so it's not going to change just because you disagree with
it ideologically. So if you think you're going to come on this blog to "set
everybody straight," I'm telling you as a fellow Christian that you're simply
wasting your time.

by: thepatriotx

01-09-2010 @ 3:03am

If you claim to have the wisdom of experience to recognize the hate you claim is in my heart then I claim to have the wisdom to recognize a Marxists when I see one sir.

WOW! the way to talk to me, you sound like a very bitter man! The insults and labels and hatred you have spewed out since the beginning these exchanges betrays your troubled soul and I never said I was a conservative let alone a far right conservative, I never said I was a Christian either. You keep throwing out these insults in an attempt to categorize me, that means label me sir, something you claim you don't participate in, it's astounding how you just keep doing what it is you accuse me of.

You may be someone's Reverend but I am glad you are not mine, with the insults and predigests and hatred that spews out of your mouth because you think I have attached one of your precious fellow lefties is remarkable.

by: thepatriotx

01-09-2010 @ 3:03am

If you claim to have the wisdom of experience to recognize the hate you claim is in my heart then I claim to have the wisdom to recognize a Marxists when I see one sir.

WOW! the way to talk to me, you sound like a very bitter man! The insults and labels and hatred you have spewed out since the beginning these exchanges betrays your troubled soul and I never said I was a conservative let alone a far right conservative, I never said I was a Christian either. You keep throwing out these insults in an attempt to categorize me, that means label me sir, something you claim you don't participate in, it's astounding how you just keep doing what it is you accuse me of.

You may be someone's Reverend but I am glad you are not mine, with the insults and predigests and hatred that spews out of your mouth because you think I have attached one of your precious fellow lefties is remarkable.

by: BlueDeacon

01-09-2010 @ 12:32pm

If you claim to have the wisdom of experience to recognize the hate you
claim is in my heart then I claim to have the wisdom to recognize a Marxists
when I see one sir.

Utter nonsense; what you insist is a lot like calling me the N-word. Please
take another look at the list of names of people I have already posted who
have been accused of being Marxists.

Oh, and by the way, you yourself did say you were a Christian. And no, I'm
not bitter in the least; however, the tone of your postings suggest that you
are, and I've seen that before.

by: BlueDeacon

01-09-2010 @ 12:32pm

If you claim to have the wisdom of experience to recognize the hate you
claim is in my heart then I claim to have the wisdom to recognize a Marxists
when I see one sir.

Utter nonsense; what you insist is a lot like calling me the N-word. Please
take another look at the list of names of people I have already posted who
have been accused of being Marxists.

Oh, and by the way, you yourself did say you were a Christian. And no, I'm
not bitter in the least; however, the tone of your postings suggest that you
are, and I've seen that before.

by: BlueDeacon

01-09-2010 @ 12:35pm

You can make no such claim. Please reread the list of people I have already
posted who have been accused of being Marxists.

And no, I'm not bitter -- I just don't suffer fools lightly and have no
patience with people who throw around epithets instead of engaging in serious
debate. And making those kind of accusations is no way to do that.

by: BlueDeacon

01-09-2010 @ 12:35pm

You can make no such claim. Please reread the list of people I have already
posted who have been accused of being Marxists.

And no, I'm not bitter -- I just don't suffer fools lightly and have no
patience with people who throw around epithets instead of engaging in serious
debate. And making those kind of accusations is no way to do that.

by: jonabark

01-11-2010 @ 1:41am

Just for your information, Marxist is the singular form of the noun Marxist, and Marxists is the plural form of the word. So you can correctly refer to a Marxist or to several Marxists but to call a person "a Marxists" is not standard English usage.

Actually your use of language is made less effective because there are basic errors. For example, you use the word oblivious when you mean to say obvious.

Your writing will be more persuasive if you read more and maybe take a writing course.

by: jonabark

01-11-2010 @ 1:41am

Just for your information, Marxist is the singular form of the noun Marxist, and Marxists is the plural form of the word. So you can correctly refer to a Marxist or to several Marxists but to call a person "a Marxists" is not standard English usage.

Actually your use of language is made less effective because there are basic errors. For example, you use the word oblivious when you mean to say obvious.

Your writing will be more persuasive if you read more and maybe take a writing course.

by: thepatriotx

01-11-2010 @ 4:48am

Whether its Marxist or Marxists, Communist, Progressive or Liberal, one thing is true. Any philosophy that at the core of it depends on putting a gun to my head in order to confiscate my property in the form of taxes is evil. That's an indictment of conservatives also but it they want a couple bucks from me the Progressives/Liberals want my soul!

by: thepatriotx

01-11-2010 @ 4:48am

Whether its Marxist or Marxists, Communist, Progressive or Liberal, one thing is true. Any philosophy that at the core of it depends on putting a gun to my head in order to confiscate my property in the form of taxes is evil. That's an indictment of conservatives also but it they want a couple bucks from me the Progressives/Liberals want my soul!

by: jonabark

01-11-2010 @ 2:00pm

Who put a gun to your head? How has government changed? The corruption in government has little to do with the minor divisions between Democrats and Republicans, but is a result of corporations and military bases and suppliers' ability to bribe politicians. They are the ones with the guns and the bucks.

by: jonabark

01-11-2010 @ 2:00pm

Who put a gun to your head? How has government changed? The corruption in government has little to do with the minor divisions between Democrats and Republicans, but is a result of corporations and military bases and suppliers' ability to bribe politicians. They are the ones with the guns and the bucks.

by: letjusticerolldown

01-11-2010 @ 3:12pm

What about backing off the "marxist" label and simply describe the two or three fundamental actions you disagree with and how that adds up for you?

by: letjusticerolldown

01-11-2010 @ 3:12pm

What about backing off the "marxist" label and simply describe the two or three fundamental actions you disagree with and how that adds up for you?

by: revpauld

01-12-2010 @ 10:24pm

"Also I think to not recognize Obama as a Marxists, Progressive, Liberal or Communists, whatever label you want to give his philosophy I believe to deny the oblivious."

I would not deny the oblivious, which is what I believe you must be. I think you actually meant to use the word "obvious" rather than oblivious, but if the shoe fits...Anyone who thinks there is no distinction to be made among the labels Marxist, Progressive, Liberal, and Communist is truly oblivious, so you said a mouthful there!

by: revpauld

01-12-2010 @ 10:24pm

"Also I think to not recognize Obama as a Marxists, Progressive, Liberal or Communists, whatever label you want to give his philosophy I believe to deny the oblivious."

I would not deny the oblivious, which is what I believe you must be. I think you actually meant to use the word "obvious" rather than oblivious, but if the shoe fits...Anyone who thinks there is no distinction to be made among the labels Marxist, Progressive, Liberal, and Communist is truly oblivious, so you said a mouthful there!

by: revpauld

01-13-2010 @ 12:24am

"Also I think to not recognize Obama as a Marxists, Progressive, Liberal or Communists, whatever label you want to give his philosophy I believe to deny the oblivious."

I would not deny the oblivious, which is what I believe you must be. I think you actually meant to use the word "obvious" rather than oblivious, but if the shoe fits...Anyone who thinks there is no distinction to be made among the labels Marxist, Progressive, Liberal, and Communist is truly oblivious, so you said a mouthful there!

by: revpauld

01-13-2010 @ 12:24am

"Also I think to not recognize Obama as a Marxists, Progressive, Liberal or Communists, whatever label you want to give his philosophy I believe to deny the oblivious."

I would not deny the oblivious, which is what I believe you must be. I think you actually meant to use the word "obvious" rather than oblivious, but if the shoe fits...Anyone who thinks there is no distinction to be made among the labels Marxist, Progressive, Liberal, and Communist is truly oblivious, so you said a mouthful there!