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Jim Wallis is right in his new book, Rediscovering Values: On Wall Street, Main Street, and Your Street-A Moral Compass for the New Economy: the right question during this recession isn't "When will it end?" but rather "What will we learn? How will we change?"

And Sojourners has been right in recent years when they've repeated the mantra, "Budgets are moral documents." That's true, it turns out -- not just for governments, but for families, churches, nonprofits, and yes, businesses too.

When Wall Street corporations write bonus checks to executives, those budgeting decisions are moral ones. When Main Street churches and nonprofits allocate limited funds, their decisions aren't simply financial; they're also moral. And on your street and my street, our simplest decisions reflect moral values: what kind of light bulbs we use and cars we drive, whether we recycle and compost, how much of our diet is meat-based, whether our coffee and tomatoes are produced in ways that properly respect the farmers and the land, and how much we give to churches, to other ministries, and especially to those in need.

I vacillate between disappointment, anger, relief, and then disappointment again when I observe how political and business leaders are missing the chance to ask the right questions during this recession. I'm a little more encouraged when I observe the faith community, although there's plenty of entrenchment and obliviousness there too. Of course, then I look in the mirror, and wonder if I'm learning even half of what I should be at this important historical moment.

That's why I'm hopeful that Jim's new book will stimulate conversation on what is the point of convergence, I think, between deep economics, deep politics, and deep theology -- namely, What has value?

That question takes us to the heart of economics. How do we measure short- and long-term costs and benefits? What do our standards of measurement -- like GDP, for example -- devalue and render us blind to, by focusing our attention on other things?

It takes us to the heart of politics. How do we negotiate between competing values -- such as the value of freedom versus the value of safety, a struggle we see constantly in our headlines?

And it takes us to the heart of life, too. What shall it profit us to gain the whole world and lose our souls? What values have triumphed -- to the expense of other needed values -- to bring our society into this recession, and how can the values that have been pushed near the line of extinction be conserved? And are there new values -- values we didn't need in the past, but desperately need now -- that need to be named and developed among us?

No book can answer those questions for all of us, and even if it could, it shouldn't, because it's in the struggle with the questions that we become the kinds of people who can actually live the answers.

But a good book can raise the questions, and so stimulate conversations among the people who can and must answer them. Namely, you. And me too. Everybody from our streets to Main Street to Wall Street to Pennsylvania Avenue. But we can't wait for them. It's got to start with us.

Brian McLarenBrian McLaren is an author and speaker whose next book, A New Kind of Christianity: Ten Questions That Are Transforming the Faith, releases Feb. 9, 2010.

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by: John Mulholland

01-08-2010 @ 4:29pm

This must be your first time partaking of the thoughts of Mr McLaren.

by: duhsciple

01-08-2010 @ 4:53pm

We have done a thorough demonstration of asking the wrong questions and living the wrong way. Where do you all see examples of folks asking the right questions, valuing the right things, living in a God-honoring-sustainable way? Are there any successes we can point to out there?

I think that the way out of the "disappointment, anger, relief, and then disappointment" cycle is to lift up positive possibilities. Help me to see them, thanks!

by: JohnH54

01-09-2010 @ 11:04am

duhsciple: looks like you're looking for answers. All Mr. McLaren can offer is questions.

I will say that I am encouraged that he seems to be admitting that liberals are legislating morality when they do things. They are making moral choices and imposing them on others.

by: facebook-1234595114

01-09-2010 @ 11:34am

It is interesting to see the similar tendencies in liberal-minded and conservative-minded Christians. Both try to influence society by using the power of government (regulation, tax, policy, etc) to legitimize and bring to fruition their view of morality. When are Christians going to learn that abdicating the implementation of their mission and vision will only lead to a more powerful, influential and corrupt government? The government gladly takes the opportunity from both sides to grab more power, especially if it makes you feel better when you give it away. Government then uses this power for its own purposes... to perpetuate itself and require more of our personal resources that we could be using to change the world for the better... not for the glory of the government but for the glory of Christ. I think conservatives are learning this lesson slowly. The liberals are too eager to repeat the sins of conservatives' unholy relationship with a particular political party. Come out from among them and be holy, as our Father is holy!

by: John Mulholland

01-08-2010 @ 4:29pm

This must be your first time partaking of the thoughts of Mr McLaren.

by: kansasmennonite

01-09-2010 @ 3:12pm

I do believe there are unholy relationships with political parties but to deny these relationships in no way makes one holy!

by: facebook-1234595114

01-09-2010 @ 3:29pm

Agreed. That wasn't my point.

by: duhsciple

01-08-2010 @ 4:53pm

We have done a thorough demonstration of asking the wrong questions and living the wrong way. Where do you all see examples of folks asking the right questions, valuing the right things, living in a God-honoring-sustainable way? Are there any successes we can point to out there?

I think that the way out of the "disappointment, anger, relief, and then disappointment" cycle is to lift up positive possibilities. Help me to see them, thanks!

by: duhsciple

01-09-2010 @ 4:38pm

I agree with the need to change the questions. In fact, I like McLaren's questions and Wallis' questions!

I'd add this question, "Where do you see God working goodness in the world right now?" or "Where is the Mustard Seed?" These are spiritual discernment questions. One place I see God working is through the CAI (Central Asia Institute), turnings stones into schools in the most isolated, forsaken places in Asia.

And, as a clarification, I am the world champion "disappointment and anger" cyclist! So I am not throwing stones at anyone.

by: jonabark

01-09-2010 @ 6:10pm

"liberals are legislating morality when they do things.'

So called "conservatives" do the same things, and are usually open about it from same gender sexual orientation to birth control, to who gets to buy Congress. All legislation has moral implications.

by: jonabark

01-09-2010 @ 6:14pm

Yes Magazine has focused on positive examples and includes spiritual values as part of that search for a way.

by: jonabark

01-09-2010 @ 6:59pm

I think the questions are worth consideration but are not addressed by a clear moral vision. The problem in these articles is simple; both Jim and Brian are refusing to face squarely the manifest similarity of the 2 major parties. Those who stand for economic justice have been betrayed by an enormous economic fraud which was rubber stamped by both parties. No meaningful reforms have been enacted. Those who advocate the pursuit of peace are forced to see that the Democratic party has no will or courage to pursue a change of direction away from strategic global military and economic dominance; the same policies they despised under Bush continue under Obama.

The core problem, particularly for the financial crisis and healthcare debate is the equation between political power and money that resulted from giving corporations the political and legal status of human citizens. Until this is changed(probably a constitutional amendment is needed) the idea of self government through citizen representation, the idea of constitutional democracy has been rendered effectively meaningless.

by: JohnH54

01-09-2010 @ 7:56pm

I agree totally. My point is that, generally speaking, liberals and the left
rail about how "you can't legislate morality" and then turn around and do
exactly that. I'm encouraged that McLaren at least admits it. In my
experience that is highly unusual for someone from the left.

by: JohnH54

01-09-2010 @ 11:04am

duhsciple: looks like you're looking for answers. All Mr. McLaren can offer is questions.

I will say that I am encouraged that he seems to be admitting that liberals are legislating morality when they do things. They are making moral choices and imposing them on others.

by: facebook-1234595114

01-09-2010 @ 11:34am

It is interesting to see the similar tendencies in liberal-minded and conservative-minded Christians. Both try to influence society by using the power of government (regulation, tax, policy, etc) to legitimize and bring to fruition their view of morality. When are Christians going to learn that abdicating the implementation of their mission and vision will only lead to a more powerful, influential and corrupt government? The government gladly takes the opportunity from both sides to grab more power, especially if it makes you feel better when you give it away. Government then uses this power for its own purposes... to perpetuate itself and require more of our personal resources that we could be using to change the world for the better... not for the glory of the government but for the glory of Christ. I think conservatives are learning this lesson slowly. The liberals are too eager to repeat the sins of conservatives' unholy relationship with a particular political party. Come out from among them and be holy, as our Father is holy!

by: kansasmennonite

01-09-2010 @ 3:12pm

I do believe there are unholy relationships with political parties but to deny these relationships in no way makes one holy!

by: facebook-1234595114

01-09-2010 @ 3:29pm

Agreed. That wasn't my point.

by: duhsciple

01-09-2010 @ 4:38pm

I agree with the need to change the questions. In fact, I like McLaren's questions and Wallis' questions!

I'd add this question, "Where do you see God working goodness in the world right now?" or "Where is the Mustard Seed?" These are spiritual discernment questions. One place I see God working is through the CAI (Central Asia Institute), turnings stones into schools in the most isolated, forsaken places in Asia.

And, as a clarification, I am the world champion "disappointment and anger" cyclist! So I am not throwing stones at anyone.

by: jonabark

01-09-2010 @ 6:10pm

"liberals are legislating morality when they do things.'

So called "conservatives" do the same things, and are usually open about it from same gender sexual orientation to birth control, to who gets to buy Congress. All legislation has moral implications.

by: NC77

01-27-2010 @ 12:07pm

"No book can answer those questions for all of us, and even if it could, it shouldn't, because it's in the struggle with the questions that we become the kinds of people who can actually live the answers."

How about the Bible? The Bible does answer those question, but you say it shouldn't?

Jesus said without me you can do nothing. I suggest there is a need to focus on the answer (Jesus). Turning and trusting in struggles based on nebulous philosophical ponderings is vain.

by: jonabark

01-09-2010 @ 6:14pm

Yes Magazine has focused on positive examples and includes spiritual values as part of that search for a way.

by: jonabark

01-09-2010 @ 6:59pm

I think the questions are worth consideration but are not addressed by a clear moral vision. The problem in these articles is simple; both Jim and Brian are refusing to face squarely the manifest similarity of the 2 major parties. Those who stand for economic justice have been betrayed by an enormous economic fraud which was rubber stamped by both parties. No meaningful reforms have been enacted. Those who advocate the pursuit of peace are forced to see that the Democratic party has no will or courage to pursue a change of direction away from strategic global military and economic dominance; the same policies they despised under Bush continue under Obama.

The core problem, particularly for the financial crisis and healthcare debate is the equation between political power and money that resulted from giving corporations the political and legal status of human citizens. Until this is changed(probably a constitutional amendment is needed) the idea of self government through citizen representation, the idea of constitutional democracy has been rendered effectively meaningless.

by: JohnH54

01-09-2010 @ 7:56pm

I agree totally. My point is that, generally speaking, liberals and the left
rail about how "you can't legislate morality" and then turn around and do
exactly that. I'm encouraged that McLaren at least admits it. In my
experience that is highly unusual for someone from the left.

by: NC77

01-27-2010 @ 2:07pm

"No book can answer those questions for all of us, and even if it could, it shouldn't, because it's in the struggle with the questions that we become the kinds of people who can actually live the answers."

How about the Bible? The Bible does answer those question, but you say it shouldn't?

Jesus said without me you can do nothing. I suggest there is a need to focus on the answer (Jesus). Turning and trusting in struggles based on nebulous philosophical ponderings is vain.

by: castigs

01-07-2010 @ 5:20pm

Powerful questions are personally transformative so makes sense that corporate/societal questions can be equally so.

I've departed the corporate world recently merely 'following my heart.' Its scary honestly, but its caused me to recognize how even seemingly minor decisions reveal what is my treasure. For example, seemed reasonable to work 10 hour days ramping to 12 as needed and weekends too when in a crunch. Is it reasonable for a bank to choose to move its credit card division to NV, where its legal to charge up to 33% interest? Some history books say that Albert Speer was recognized as a really effective bureaucrat during WW2, is that going to far?

So not to judge those decisions, but I wonder if only when one is in touch with one's heart (meaning being authentic) can one make decisions that are hopeful towards a 'common good.' And I've found questions to be a great way to pursue authenticity. Thanks for raising the topic!

by: NC77

01-27-2010 @ 12:07pm

"No book can answer those questions for all of us, and even if it could, it shouldn't, because it's in the struggle with the questions that we become the kinds of people who can actually live the answers."

How about the Bible? The Bible does answer those question, but you say it shouldn't?

Jesus said without me you can do nothing. I suggest there is a need to focus on the answer (Jesus). Turning and trusting in struggles based on nebulous philosophical ponderings is vain.

by: uberVU - social comments

01-07-2010 @ 6:55pm

Social comments and analytics for this post...

This post was mentioned on Twitter by cm1165: Over @Sojourners @brianmclaren has a great post up about the questions we should be asking and the power they have. http://ow.ly/TGQ6...

by: castigs

01-07-2010 @ 5:20pm

Powerful questions are personally transformative so makes sense that corporate/societal questions can be equally so.

I've departed the corporate world recently merely 'following my heart.' Its scary honestly, but its caused me to recognize how even seemingly minor decisions reveal what is my treasure. For example, seemed reasonable to work 10 hour days ramping to 12 as needed and weekends too when in a crunch. Is it reasonable for a bank to choose to move its credit card division to NV, where its legal to charge up to 33% interest? Some history books say that Albert Speer was recognized as a really effective bureaucrat during WW2, is that going to far?

So not to judge those decisions, but I wonder if only when one is in touch with one's heart (meaning being authentic) can one make decisions that are hopeful towards a 'common good.' And I've found questions to be a great way to pursue authenticity. Thanks for raising the topic!

by: jonabark

01-08-2010 @ 4:51am

Incredibly vague.

by: Andy Pratt

01-08-2010 @ 7:34am

Hi
Just wanted to share a review of my concert at Beehive Boston
1/6/2010. It's up at
http://dovenestedtowers.blogspot.com/

(I'm available for shows, book readings, healing services...)
Jesus forever...
Andy Pratt
apratt6436@aol.com

by: NC77

01-08-2010 @ 11:23am

I remember you from the late 70s. You were very popular in the Cleveland, Ohio area at the time with the hit song Avenging Annie. Good to see you are still around. Are you saved? If so, do you have your testimony published somewhere? I would like to pass it on to some of my old buddies from back then who are still lost. They thought I went off the deep end back in 1977 when I accepted Christ.

by: NC77

01-27-2010 @ 2:07pm

"No book can answer those questions for all of us, and even if it could, it shouldn't, because it's in the struggle with the questions that we become the kinds of people who can actually live the answers."

How about the Bible? The Bible does answer those question, but you say it shouldn't?

Jesus said without me you can do nothing. I suggest there is a need to focus on the answer (Jesus). Turning and trusting in struggles based on nebulous philosophical ponderings is vain.

by: jonabark

01-08-2010 @ 4:51am

Incredibly vague.

by: Andy Pratt

01-08-2010 @ 7:34am

Hi
Just wanted to share a review of my concert at Beehive Boston
1/6/2010. It's up at
http://dovenestedtowers.blogspot.com/

(I'm available for shows, book readings, healing services...)
Jesus forever...
Andy Pratt
apratt6436@aol.com

by: NC77

01-08-2010 @ 11:23am

I remember you from the late 70s. You were very popular in the Cleveland, Ohio area at the time with the hit song Avenging Annie. Good to see you are still around. Are you saved? If so, do you have your testimony published somewhere? I would like to pass it on to some of my old buddies from back then who are still lost. They thought I went off the deep end back in 1977 when I accepted Christ.

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by: castigs

01-07-2010 @ 5:20pm

Powerful questions are personally transformative so makes sense that corporate/societal questions can be equally so.

I've departed the corporate world recently merely 'following my heart.' Its scary honestly, but its caused me to recognize how even seemingly minor decisions reveal what is my treasure. For example, seemed reasonable to work 10 hour days ramping to 12 as needed and weekends too when in a crunch. Is it reasonable for a bank to choose to move its credit card division to NV, where its legal to charge up to 33% interest? Some history books say that Albert Speer was recognized as a really effective bureaucrat during WW2, is that going to far?

So not to judge those decisions, but I wonder if only when one is in touch with one's heart (meaning being authentic) can one make decisions that are hopeful towards a 'common good.' And I've found questions to be a great way to pursue authenticity. Thanks for raising the topic!

by: castigs

01-07-2010 @ 5:20pm

Powerful questions are personally transformative so makes sense that corporate/societal questions can be equally so.

I've departed the corporate world recently merely 'following my heart.' Its scary honestly, but its caused me to recognize how even seemingly minor decisions reveal what is my treasure. For example, seemed reasonable to work 10 hour days ramping to 12 as needed and weekends too when in a crunch. Is it reasonable for a bank to choose to move its credit card division to NV, where its legal to charge up to 33% interest? Some history books say that Albert Speer was recognized as a really effective bureaucrat during WW2, is that going to far?

So not to judge those decisions, but I wonder if only when one is in touch with one's heart (meaning being authentic) can one make decisions that are hopeful towards a 'common good.' And I've found questions to be a great way to pursue authenticity. Thanks for raising the topic!

by: uberVU - social comments

01-07-2010 @ 6:55pm

Social comments and analytics for this post...

This post was mentioned on Twitter by cm1165: Over @Sojourners @brianmclaren has a great post up about the questions we should be asking and the power they have. http://ow.ly/TGQ6...

by: jonabark

01-08-2010 @ 4:51am

Incredibly vague.

by: jonabark

01-08-2010 @ 4:51am

Incredibly vague.

by: Andy Pratt

01-08-2010 @ 7:34am

Hi
Just wanted to share a review of my concert at Beehive Boston
1/6/2010. It's up at
http://dovenestedtowers.blogspot.com/

(I'm available for shows, book readings, healing services...)
Jesus forever...
Andy Pratt
apratt6436@aol.com

by: Andy Pratt

01-08-2010 @ 7:34am

Hi
Just wanted to share a review of my concert at Beehive Boston
1/6/2010. It's up at
http://dovenestedtowers.blogspot.com/

(I'm available for shows, book readings, healing services...)
Jesus forever...
Andy Pratt
apratt6436@aol.com

by: NC77

01-08-2010 @ 11:23am

I remember you from the late 70s. You were very popular in the Cleveland, Ohio area at the time with the hit song Avenging Annie. Good to see you are still around. Are you saved? If so, do you have your testimony published somewhere? I would like to pass it on to some of my old buddies from back then who are still lost. They thought I went off the deep end back in 1977 when I accepted Christ.

by: NC77

01-08-2010 @ 11:23am

I remember you from the late 70s. You were very popular in the Cleveland, Ohio area at the time with the hit song Avenging Annie. Good to see you are still around. Are you saved? If so, do you have your testimony published somewhere? I would like to pass it on to some of my old buddies from back then who are still lost. They thought I went off the deep end back in 1977 when I accepted Christ.

by: John Mulholland

01-08-2010 @ 4:29pm

This must be your first time partaking of the thoughts of Mr McLaren.

by: John Mulholland

01-08-2010 @ 4:29pm

This must be your first time partaking of the thoughts of Mr McLaren.

by: duhsciple

01-08-2010 @ 4:53pm

We have done a thorough demonstration of asking the wrong questions and living the wrong way. Where do you all see examples of folks asking the right questions, valuing the right things, living in a God-honoring-sustainable way? Are there any successes we can point to out there?

I think that the way out of the "disappointment, anger, relief, and then disappointment" cycle is to lift up positive possibilities. Help me to see them, thanks!

by: duhsciple

01-08-2010 @ 4:53pm

We have done a thorough demonstration of asking the wrong questions and living the wrong way. Where do you all see examples of folks asking the right questions, valuing the right things, living in a God-honoring-sustainable way? Are there any successes we can point to out there?

I think that the way out of the "disappointment, anger, relief, and then disappointment" cycle is to lift up positive possibilities. Help me to see them, thanks!

by: JohnH54

01-09-2010 @ 11:04am

duhsciple: looks like you're looking for answers. All Mr. McLaren can offer is questions.

I will say that I am encouraged that he seems to be admitting that liberals are legislating morality when they do things. They are making moral choices and imposing them on others.

by: JohnH54

01-09-2010 @ 11:04am

duhsciple: looks like you're looking for answers. All Mr. McLaren can offer is questions.

I will say that I am encouraged that he seems to be admitting that liberals are legislating morality when they do things. They are making moral choices and imposing them on others.

by: facebook-1234595114

01-09-2010 @ 11:34am

It is interesting to see the similar tendencies in liberal-minded and conservative-minded Christians. Both try to influence society by using the power of government (regulation, tax, policy, etc) to legitimize and bring to fruition their view of morality. When are Christians going to learn that abdicating the implementation of their mission and vision will only lead to a more powerful, influential and corrupt government? The government gladly takes the opportunity from both sides to grab more power, especially if it makes you feel better when you give it away. Government then uses this power for its own purposes... to perpetuate itself and require more of our personal resources that we could be using to change the world for the better... not for the glory of the government but for the glory of Christ. I think conservatives are learning this lesson slowly. The liberals are too eager to repeat the sins of conservatives' unholy relationship with a particular political party. Come out from among them and be holy, as our Father is holy!

by: facebook-1234595114

01-09-2010 @ 11:34am

It is interesting to see the similar tendencies in liberal-minded and conservative-minded Christians. Both try to influence society by using the power of government (regulation, tax, policy, etc) to legitimize and bring to fruition their view of morality. When are Christians going to learn that abdicating the implementation of their mission and vision will only lead to a more powerful, influential and corrupt government? The government gladly takes the opportunity from both sides to grab more power, especially if it makes you feel better when you give it away. Government then uses this power for its own purposes... to perpetuate itself and require more of our personal resources that we could be using to change the world for the better... not for the glory of the government but for the glory of Christ. I think conservatives are learning this lesson slowly. The liberals are too eager to repeat the sins of conservatives' unholy relationship with a particular political party. Come out from among them and be holy, as our Father is holy!

by: kansasmennonite

01-09-2010 @ 3:12pm

I do believe there are unholy relationships with political parties but to deny these relationships in no way makes one holy!

by: kansasmennonite

01-09-2010 @ 3:12pm

I do believe there are unholy relationships with political parties but to deny these relationships in no way makes one holy!

by: facebook-1234595114

01-09-2010 @ 3:29pm

Agreed. That wasn't my point.

by: facebook-1234595114

01-09-2010 @ 3:29pm

Agreed. That wasn't my point.

by: duhsciple

01-09-2010 @ 4:38pm

I agree with the need to change the questions. In fact, I like McLaren's questions and Wallis' questions!

I'd add this question, "Where do you see God working goodness in the world right now?" or "Where is the Mustard Seed?" These are spiritual discernment questions. One place I see God working is through the CAI (Central Asia Institute), turnings stones into schools in the most isolated, forsaken places in Asia.

And, as a clarification, I am the world champion "disappointment and anger" cyclist! So I am not throwing stones at anyone.

by: duhsciple

01-09-2010 @ 4:38pm

I agree with the need to change the questions. In fact, I like McLaren's questions and Wallis' questions!

I'd add this question, "Where do you see God working goodness in the world right now?" or "Where is the Mustard Seed?" These are spiritual discernment questions. One place I see God working is through the CAI (Central Asia Institute), turnings stones into schools in the most isolated, forsaken places in Asia.

And, as a clarification, I am the world champion "disappointment and anger" cyclist! So I am not throwing stones at anyone.

by: jonabark

01-09-2010 @ 6:10pm

"liberals are legislating morality when they do things.'

So called "conservatives" do the same things, and are usually open about it from same gender sexual orientation to birth control, to who gets to buy Congress. All legislation has moral implications.

by: jonabark

01-09-2010 @ 6:10pm

"liberals are legislating morality when they do things.'

So called "conservatives" do the same things, and are usually open about it from same gender sexual orientation to birth control, to who gets to buy Congress. All legislation has moral implications.

by: jonabark

01-09-2010 @ 6:14pm

Yes Magazine has focused on positive examples and includes spiritual values as part of that search for a way.

by: jonabark

01-09-2010 @ 6:14pm

Yes Magazine has focused on positive examples and includes spiritual values as part of that search for a way.

by: jonabark

01-09-2010 @ 6:59pm

I think the questions are worth consideration but are not addressed by a clear moral vision. The problem in these articles is simple; both Jim and Brian are refusing to face squarely the manifest similarity of the 2 major parties. Those who stand for economic justice have been betrayed by an enormous economic fraud which was rubber stamped by both parties. No meaningful reforms have been enacted. Those who advocate the pursuit of peace are forced to see that the Democratic party has no will or courage to pursue a change of direction away from strategic global military and economic dominance; the same policies they despised under Bush continue under Obama.

The core problem, particularly for the financial crisis and healthcare debate is the equation between political power and money that resulted from giving corporations the political and legal status of human citizens. Until this is changed(probably a constitutional amendment is needed) the idea of self government through citizen representation, the idea of constitutional democracy has been rendered effectively meaningless.

by: jonabark

01-09-2010 @ 6:59pm

I think the questions are worth consideration but are not addressed by a clear moral vision. The problem in these articles is simple; both Jim and Brian are refusing to face squarely the manifest similarity of the 2 major parties. Those who stand for economic justice have been betrayed by an enormous economic fraud which was rubber stamped by both parties. No meaningful reforms have been enacted. Those who advocate the pursuit of peace are forced to see that the Democratic party has no will or courage to pursue a change of direction away from strategic global military and economic dominance; the same policies they despised under Bush continue under Obama.

The core problem, particularly for the financial crisis and healthcare debate is the equation between political power and money that resulted from giving corporations the political and legal status of human citizens. Until this is changed(probably a constitutional amendment is needed) the idea of self government through citizen representation, the idea of constitutional democracy has been rendered effectively meaningless.

by: JohnH54

01-09-2010 @ 7:56pm

I agree totally. My point is that, generally speaking, liberals and the left
rail about how "you can't legislate morality" and then turn around and do
exactly that. I'm encouraged that McLaren at least admits it. In my
experience that is highly unusual for someone from the left.

by: JohnH54

01-09-2010 @ 7:56pm

I agree totally. My point is that, generally speaking, liberals and the left
rail about how "you can't legislate morality" and then turn around and do
exactly that. I'm encouraged that McLaren at least admits it. In my
experience that is highly unusual for someone from the left.

by: NC77

01-27-2010 @ 12:07pm

"No book can answer those questions for all of us, and even if it could, it shouldn't, because it's in the struggle with the questions that we become the kinds of people who can actually live the answers."

How about the Bible? The Bible does answer those question, but you say it shouldn't?

Jesus said without me you can do nothing. I suggest there is a need to focus on the answer (Jesus). Turning and trusting in struggles based on nebulous philosophical ponderings is vain.

by: NC77

01-27-2010 @ 12:07pm

"No book can answer those questions for all of us, and even if it could, it shouldn't, because it's in the struggle with the questions that we become the kinds of people who can actually live the answers."

How about the Bible? The Bible does answer those question, but you say it shouldn't?

Jesus said without me you can do nothing. I suggest there is a need to focus on the answer (Jesus). Turning and trusting in struggles based on nebulous philosophical ponderings is vain.

by: NC77

01-27-2010 @ 2:07pm

"No book can answer those questions for all of us, and even if it could, it shouldn't, because it's in the struggle with the questions that we become the kinds of people who can actually live the answers."

How about the Bible? The Bible does answer those question, but you say it shouldn't?

Jesus said without me you can do nothing. I suggest there is a need to focus on the answer (Jesus). Turning and trusting in struggles based on nebulous philosophical ponderings is vain.

by: NC77

01-27-2010 @ 2:07pm

"No book can answer those questions for all of us, and even if it could, it shouldn't, because it's in the struggle with the questions that we become the kinds of people who can actually live the answers."

How about the Bible? The Bible does answer those question, but you say it shouldn't?

Jesus said without me you can do nothing. I suggest there is a need to focus on the answer (Jesus). Turning and trusting in struggles based on nebulous philosophical ponderings is vain.