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Haiti: God Is Suffering With Those Who Are Suffering

There are times when events make everything else pale in comparison. I'm in Los Angeles today on my book tour, but the news of Tuesday's 7.0-magnitude earthquake hitting Haiti is one of those times. Over the past few hours, I haven't been able to take my eyes off CNN. The tragedy in Haiti is unbelievable -- the pictures of the pain and destruction are haunting. My heart breaks for the families and the victims of this tragedy.

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Information continues to develop, but what we already know staggers the imagination. Both the Haitian prime minister and consul general to the U.N. have said that as many as 100,000 people are likely to have died. The International Red Cross estimates that one-third of Haitians -- about 3 million people -- were affected by the earthquake. The Catholic archbishop of Port-au-Prince is known to be dead, and the chief of the U.N. mission in Haiti remains missing.

In a heart-rending story, the The New York Times reported on the scene in Port-au-Prince:

The tiny bodies of children lay in piles next to the ruins of their collapsed school. People with faces covered by white dust and the blood of open wounds roamed the streets. Frantic doctors wrapped heads and stitched up sliced limbs in a hotel parking lot.

The poorest country in the Western Hemisphere, still struggling to recover from the relentless strikes of four catastrophic storms in 2008, was a picture of heartbreaking devastation Wednesday after a magnitude-7 earthquake.

In response, the world is mobilizing. President Obama, in a statement, said:

I have directed my administration to respond with a swift, coordinated, and aggressive effort to save lives. The people of Haiti will have the full support of the United States in the urgent effort to rescue those trapped beneath the rubble, and to deliver the humanitarian relief -- the food, water and medicine -- that Haitians will need in the coming days. In that effort, our government, especially USAID and the Departments of State and Defense are working closely together and with our partners in Haiti, the region, and around the world.

The U.S. has sent Agency for International Development helicopter search-and-rescue teams, a U.S. Navy amphibious ship with medical capabilities, and is sending the USNS Comfort hospital ship. Other military and civilian aid teams are also on the way. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has canceled the remainder of her trip in Asia to return to Washington to help direct the relief efforts. Canada, European nations, and countries across Latin America have mobilized supplies and aid.

As always, in this kind of natural disaster, it is almost always the poorest who suffer the most -- those who have the least to lose are often those who lose the most. Life is always hard for poor people -- living on the edge is insecure and full of risk. Natural disasters make it worse. Yet even in normal times, poverty is hidden and not reported by the media. In times of disaster, there continues to be little coverage of the excessive impact on the poor.

Tragic moments like this bring out the best in global citizens, as we put aside our differences and unite in support of the victims and their families. Haiti is no stranger to hardship, poverty, or sorrow. As Katrina revealed in New Orleans, this earthquake will once again unmask the unbelievable poverty that exists in countries like Haiti. Nearly 80 percent of Haiti's population lives in abject poverty. I pray that this is not simply another tragic event we see on TV as we channel surf, but I hope it reminds us of our brothers and sisters around the world and down the street, who suffer not only from tragic events -- but who suffer every day.

I also want to say a word about God and evil. Pat Robertson said that Haiti's earthquake was caused because of the country's "pact with the devil." I don't even know what he means, nor do I care. But I want to say this: My God does not cause evil. God is not a vengeful and retributive being, waiting to strike us down; instead, God is in the very midst of this tragedy, suffering with those who are suffering. When evil strikes, it's easy to ask, where is God? The answer is simple: God is suffering with those who are suffering.

Let us all keep the people of Haiti in our prayers. And let us all give what we can to help in the relief efforts. Sojourners readers are posting recommended ways of responding to the Haiti earthquake on our Facebook page. Please click here to post your suggestions there or to find ways to help.

portrait-jim-wallisJim Wallis is the author of Rediscovering Values: On Wall Street, Main Street, and Your Street -- A Moral Compass for the New Economy, CEO of Sojourners and blogs at www.godspolitics.com.


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by: batorsin

01-15-2010 @ 10:04pm

Yes, the devil is real. The bible also reads, "Revenge is mine," saith the Lord. I'm not saying this is God's work, but the culture there is satanic with voodoo dolls, and the like. I say we just pray for those people and have them have faith that God will see them through this.

by: MimiRothschild

01-15-2010 @ 3:16pm

Mr. Wallis, "your" God may not "cause evil" but if He is ominpotent and omniscient, then He let it happen, just as He let my own child die at the hands of murderers 13 years ago.

The issue wrt to Robertsons statement about Haiti's "pact with the devil" is not whether or not Haiti made a pact with the devil, as none of us can know if this is true. The critical issue, inho, here is whether or not people or a government can make a pact with the devil and what the consequences of giving allegiance to the devil are.

If God is real (He is) and the Bible is Truth (it is), then so is the devil. If the devil is real, one can make a deal with him. Since he is the source of all evil and suffering and has only our worst interests at heart, the devil would enjoy and have authored the devastation occuring in Haiti.

Pat Robertson did not blame the victims. He mentioned a peice of history (again, may or may not be true) to help explain to his viewers why evil flourishes and why this particular suffering may be occuring. I believe that Robertsons point is that evil happens because of the existence of the devil and the fact that people (or governments) choose the devil over God. Robertson did not say they deserve it or asked for it. If the devil exists, he is certainly the source of this devastation in Haiti and all humankind suffering.

Choose God. Not because with Him there is no evil or no suffering. Even as God's followers, we are subject to untold suffering.

But do not deny the existence of the devil. He is alive and well and working hard to devour, destroy and conquer.

Mimi Rothschild
Co-Founder, Learning By Grace, Inc.
www.LearningByGrace.org

by: numbalum6468

01-15-2010 @ 3:23pm

Thank you Mr. Wallis for your ever thoughtful comments. I was reminded that after the tragic shootings in Columbine I heard a Youth Minister interviewed on NPR. When asked where God was when such a terrible thing happened, he replied quietly, "The same place He was when his own dear son hung on a cross."

We have just passed the great season of Christmas during which we celebrated the wonderful news that God is WITH us--Emmanuel. He came quietly, to a poor family in a tiny backwater town, and today he is again in a small, poor devastated country. Turn on your television set, browse the web, you'll see Emmanuel at work everywhere in Haiti and around the world.

Quakers believe that God dwells in each human being. No one is left out! Quakers sit in silence, something rare in our incredibly noisy society, waiting upon the Lord; listening for that "still, small voice" that calls us to be God's hands, His feet, His voice in the world.

In his Nobel Prize-nominated novel "The Peaceable Kingdom," author Jan de Hartog recounts a scene in which George Fox, founder of the Society of Friends (Quakers) confronts Margaret Fell who eventually joined him in establishing the Quaker movement: "Stop crying for proof of God's Love!" he tells her. "Prove it yourself! How else do you think God manifests His love? Through nature? Through the trees, the clouds, the beasts in the field, the stars? No, only through beings capable of doing so: ourselves. All He has is you!"

God, that vast, infinite ocean of Light and Love which dwells within each of us is today reminding us that we are His hands that search and soothe. The hands that type, the voices that phone, and eyes that seek, and hearts that give. We are the physical mnaifestation that connects God to the suffering people of Haiti. If they are to know the Love and God, it is up to US. All God has to reach the devastated people of Haiti is US! He is calling for our help. Stop crying for proof of God's Love. Prove it yourself!

by: MimiRothschild

01-15-2010 @ 3:31pm

Asking "why?" when a tragedy occurs is natural and should be encouraged not only because it gives Christians an opportunity to share the Truth but because when people hear the Truth they will be set free.

Although not a comfortable topic in our society and certainly not "politically correct", the existence of the devil is real and he gains much ground in his efforts to destroy and devastate when people do not even believe in him.

Although I have no association with Pat Robertson, I think it is fair to point out that he is not only asking how he can help (which you say is th eonly appropriate response), he has launched a major relief effort through his Operation Blessing Disaster Relief.

The truth that Robertsons comments have inspired me to remember is that "Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour." 1 Peter 5:7-9

Do we believe the devil is real, Mr. Wallis, that he is the source of all suffering including that which is taking place in Haiti?

by: timklee

01-16-2010 @ 1:20am

God WILL reward evil, bottom line. God WILL reward righteousness. Bottom line.

by: liastar

01-24-2010 @ 6:48pm

I'm grateful when Christian leaders like Jim Wallis speak out against the hatred and oppression perpetrated by the Pat Robertsons of the world. In addition to being insensitive and inaccurate, Robertson's overly simplistic commentary on Haiti's tragic history conveniently denies the role the US has played for almost 200 years in ensuring that Haiti doesn't stand a chance - a 60-year economic embargo that crippled the economy of a newly-independent state, military occupation, the backing of corrupt (but compliant) governments, etc. Yes, Mr. Robertson, there is a devil, and pacts are made with him every day - by people who look eerily familiar.

by: liastar

01-24-2010 @ 4:48pm

I'm grateful when Christian leaders like Jim Wallis speak out against the hatred and oppression perpetrated by the Pat Robertsons of the world. In addition to being insensitive and inaccurate, Robertson's overly simplistic commentary on Haiti's tragic history conveniently denies the role the US has played for almost 200 years in ensuring that Haiti doesn't stand a chance - a 60-year economic embargo that crippled the economy of a newly-independent state, military occupation, the backing of corrupt (but compliant) governments, etc. Yes, Mr. Robertson, there is a devil, and pacts are made with him every day - by people who look eerily familiar.

by: eliaustin

01-21-2010 @ 8:41pm

Props to Mimi. Although for me the issue that stands clear is not the devil's activity, rather, God's SOVEREIGNTY.

My understanding is that satan gets to do NOTHING that is outside of God's permissive will. God IS sovereign. The buck stops there. Period.

What truly troubles me though, is this trend of denial or need to exonerate God from having caused or allowed calamity. I've observed on this, and other websites. For example.. here with Kristiwilkersonjohnson, et al, and, on "something within" (Renita Weems' blog "for thinking women of faith")

There, she posted a prayer that was repeatedly affirmed by many bloggers. It was a soulful prayer--clearly straight from the heart. However, it asked that God would...

"Keep us from attributing this event as a heavenly reprimand, or from a certain haughtiness that tempts the distant soul. Give us to be compassionate, and gentle, servants to those in need..."

My heart and head resonated with all but the first line of the section above; the "Keep us from attributing this event as a heavenly reprimand" part.

My immediate thought was.. who the heck are we to tell God how God may act? Are we really so arrogant or foolish to assume that we do see and fully understand Haiti's witness sufficiently to dare to pray thus??

I see that same sentiment or problem evidenced on this site: believers refusal to recognize that one cannot accept and "bow" before a Holy, sovereign God, while simultaneously setting parameters for God to act.

What we perceive to be "nature" may well be just that--but then, it may not be SIMPLY so. The point is, at NO time is ANY of it outside of the realm of the power and grace of God.

Hence, I think its time Christians matured in their thinking. Our position before a sovereign God demands that we ask 'why" questions as well as reach out with compassion.

I, too, am not a follower of Pat R. but I think believers would do well to not be so quick to condemn him for being willing to both help AND ask what for many are questions that make us uncomfortable.

Given that on our best day we "see through the glass darkly.." and ONLY God has perfect sight AND control over ALL creation, we believers really truly need to mature, yes, but equally important--step out (act) on faith and believe that its TRUE..... All things DO and WILL.. work together for good.. for them that love God.. and are called according to GOD'S purpose. God is loving and just. God doesn't need us to "give God a break" or "help God's image!"

Truth be told, a minority of Americans truly have a reasonable understanding the complex religious/faith reality of Haiti--or much of the "third world" for that matter. Its time we matured in our understanding of what it means to worship a sovereign God, ACCEPT what that means,(the "good" and the seemingly "ungly") and repent when we do otherwise.

by: JayBreeding

01-16-2010 @ 3:55pm

Well said. A great message of hope in the midst of a horrible tragedy.

by: batorsin

01-15-2010 @ 10:04pm

Yes, the devil is real. The bible also reads, "Revenge is mine," saith the Lord. I'm not saying this is God's work, but the culture there is satanic with voodoo dolls, and the like. I say we just pray for those people and have them have faith that God will see them through this.

by: Android Tablets

06-14-2011 @ 5:43pm

by: timklee

01-16-2010 @ 1:20am

God WILL reward evil, bottom line. God WILL reward righteousness. Bottom line.

by: JayBreeding

01-16-2010 @ 3:55pm

Well said. A great message of hope in the midst of a horrible tragedy.

by: kristywilkersonjohnson

01-14-2010 @ 2:12pm

Here is one Christian who condemns Rev. Robertson's comments...When a disaster occurs, such as the one Haiti is going through, the major question should NEVER be--WHY is this happening? There is absolutely nothing useful in such a question. When the initial calamity happens all humanity no matter what political, religious, social status etc. one is affiliated with should ask the questions ---WHAT can I do to help? WHERE can I send the check? WHEN do you need me the most? HOW can I be of service? That should be THE ONLY Christian response!!!!

I do not understand why WE (Christians that is) allow such a Old Testament Wielding Blowhard voice his unChristlike comments after every tragedy? Pat, old man, before you say anything the cliche phrase of WWJD (What would Jesus Do or Say perhaps) should be THE ONLY thing you ponder. Retire already!

by: Android Tablets

06-14-2011 @ 5:43pm

by: jackvanfossen

01-14-2010 @ 6:37pm

I am completely apalled by Pat Robertson's comments like most, however, you cannot deny that the Old Testament is full of examples of retribution, God rainining down sulphur and fire, plagues, illness on those who didn't obey him. If retribution and vengeance are NOT characteristics of God, then why are there examples of these in the OT?

by: wmlenters

01-14-2010 @ 6:49pm

HAITI - A BIBLICAL PERSPECTIVE - from the Prophet Isaiah (62:1-5)

Only 680 miles separate one of the wealthiest luckiest nations in the world from one of the poorest unluckiest nations in the world. Haiti has undergone a deconstruction it has not yet seen in its long history of deconstruction and poverty. Perhaps more than a 50,000 have been killed. Nothing and no one was exempt from the violent destruction this earthquake has wreaked upon a small island. The Bishop of the Catholic Church in Haiti went down in the ruins of the cathedral. The President was spared but not his palace. It was similar to an Old Testament fire and brimstone scenario 6 hundred years before the beginning of the Common Era. Here's the scene. Israel had just returned home in tatters from captivity in Babylon only to find its beloved city, Jerusalem, in ruins. The temple was destroyed. Any semblance of order or infrastructure had disappeared in the midst of the devastation. Its people were distraught and in a serious stage of despair. Much of what happened in a flash of a disastrous earthquake in Haiti happened in Israel over the span of some 70 years. Haiti's crisis is acute. Israel's crisis was chronic. Chronic pain and destruction. All hope was lost. All hope seems lost in Haiti.But now, the imaginative poet speaks: God will not keep silent over the ruins of Jerusalem. God will not rest until her restoration shines out like the dawn and her salvation like a burning torch. The whole world will see what God can do on behalf of a people seemingly lost forever in the ashes of total ruin. Surrounding nations shall see what God can do. "No longer will you called by your old name, Azubah which means Forsaken. No longer will the land be termed Shemamah which means Desolate. Now you shall be called Hephzibah which means, My Delight Is In Her. Your land shall be known as Beulah which means

by: Martha Enriqueta Lujan

01-14-2010 @ 6:52pm

Years ago, I remember hearing some wise person state that we should read the OT examples of God's response as God's way of teaching His people what was expected of them, how they should behave, what their response to God should be. In today's world, we can learn from these experiences in order to ask those questions like WHAT can we do, WHERE can we send our check, WHEN do you need me and HOW can I be of service. We can't sit back and just watch CNN. We do have to respond to the needs of others. We are learning compassion, generosity, kindness, patience, fortitude, etc. God IS with His people, through all of us.

by: nancyv

01-14-2010 @ 7:20pm

Like Jim Wallis, I too have been struck that it usually the poorest of the poor that suffer during these disasters. I hate when people refer to them as the "work of God." Seems like we have forgotten about the evil that exists in this world. And it truly exists when good people do nothing. Or, worse, try to blame the victims as have Pat Robertson and Rush Limbaugh. But, praise be, it appears that most of the world is rushing, as best they can to help the people in Haiti. Yes, perhaps it is too little too late. But it does show that there is Godliness in more people than evil. I know the churches in this country and across the world will respond with requests for donations and they will give aid and comfort for the survivors. We complain so bitterly about the economy in this country, but most of us are blessed and whatever we have, whatever we can do, whatever we can give, is proof that we serve a living God.

by: fbacher

01-14-2010 @ 7:24pm

Many view the story of Sodom and Gomorrah as a lesson about God's wrath on an evil people. I view the story as a lesson about the lengths that God goes to to protect the innocent. In Abraham's discussion with God about it, God would not destroy the evil many if there were even only a handful of decent people among them.

Clearly there are at least a few decent people in Haiti. Pat Robertson who lives a very comfortable, wealthy life as a false prophet.

by: BloggerPros

01-14-2010 @ 7:26pm

Thank you, Mr. Wallis, for an excellent post. Our hearts are breaking along with those who have lost their loved ones.

by: merbert

01-14-2010 @ 11:58pm

Pat Robertson's comment came from an old Haitian legend that Toussaint had a pact with the devil, and that led to Haitian independence from the French. While he did not make up this story, the fact that Robertson treats an old Voodoo legend as fact is absurd. Tragedies like this are a chance for all people on this planet to come together despite our differences and help those who are suffering. It is also, as Jim Wallis said, a chance to see poverty in the limelight and see the suffering that has also been caused by other humans. Hopefully we can keep seeing the best in ourselves as "global citizens" in the response to this tragedy.

by: kristywilkersonjohnson

01-14-2010 @ 2:12pm

Here is one Christian who condemns Rev. Robertson's comments...When a disaster occurs, such as the one Haiti is going through, the major question should NEVER be--WHY is this happening? There is absolutely nothing useful in such a question. When the initial calamity happens all humanity no matter what political, religious, social status etc. one is affiliated with should ask the questions ---WHAT can I do to help? WHERE can I send the check? WHEN do you need me the most? HOW can I be of service? That should be THE ONLY Christian response!!!!

I do not understand why WE (Christians that is) allow such a Old Testament Wielding Blowhard voice his unChristlike comments after every tragedy? Pat, old man, before you say anything the cliche phrase of WWJD (What would Jesus Do or Say perhaps) should be THE ONLY thing you ponder. Retire already!

by: liastar

01-24-2010 @ 6:48pm

I'm grateful when Christian leaders like Jim Wallis speak out against the hatred and oppression perpetrated by the Pat Robertsons of the world. In addition to being insensitive and inaccurate, Robertson's overly simplistic commentary on Haiti's tragic history conveniently denies the role the US has played for almost 200 years in ensuring that Haiti doesn't stand a chance - a 60-year economic embargo that crippled the economy of a newly-independent state, military occupation, the backing of corrupt (but compliant) governments, etc. Yes, Mr. Robertson, there is a devil, and pacts are made with him every day - by people who look eerily familiar.

by: mikefox

01-19-2010 @ 9:08pm

Natural disasters effect everyone regardless of what they believe or behave like don't they? This is clear in the New testament surely?

by: StudntObsrvr

01-15-2010 @ 6:54am

Heard a saying once,"God may be kind at times, but seldom is he soft." Reality is, natural disasters do occur. Naturally. Nature is about the harshest parent one could ever have, so we don't look to nature to be a parent. Natural occurrences happen irrespective of politics, religion, Voo-Doo as is practiced in Haiti. Sh/It Happens! Once again the United States is out there lending a hand. Because we can, and should, even while we have monumental problems of our own. We still lend a hand, so to speak, do what is right without thought of reward, or so it should be. Even when we have our own crisis. It's not about Judism, Christiandem, Ala, or Ja-Weh, Buddha, Vishnu. It is about G O D the Infinite Father/Mother/Spirit for ALL peoples. Irrespective and everywhere, the Great Spirit is in the First Aid workers, Doctors, helpers of all kinds, plus an Angelic host of helpers, I would reckon. Peace be with you

by: WitnessforPeace

01-15-2010 @ 9:06am

God's ways are perfect. David said it in the Psalms; I just read it in Deuteronomy. A "not perfect" God would be no God at all, but a pathetic tyrant: Zeus on steroids, or Richard Dawkins with magical powers. I disagree with Jim and Pat alike, while leaning strangly toward Jim on this one. God is not punishing an entire nation for the sins of a few. But both of them may be presuming to know way too much! Jim is leaning towards the PC line that "voodoo is OK if it's their indigenous religion" Voodoo is evil; so is corrupt government. Poor people sin, too. But from an American perspective we should be amazed at the resilince and love of the Haitian people, and even their generosity towards strangers and visitors. That is humbling; that is God at work. We should imitate their generosity and focus not on their sins, but our own. Why has partisan politics and health care been so much more important than Darfur and countries in our own hemisphere? Who gives a da_n about Kennedy's legacy, or Obama's?

by: WitnessforPeace

01-15-2010 @ 9:45am

Tx for your thoughts. Maybe S&G is both wrath AND mercy. We don't entirely know. I strongly disagree w/Pat's comment, but by your standard Jim is a false prophet, too.

by: liastar

01-24-2010 @ 4:48pm

I'm grateful when Christian leaders like Jim Wallis speak out against the hatred and oppression perpetrated by the Pat Robertsons of the world. In addition to being insensitive and inaccurate, Robertson's overly simplistic commentary on Haiti's tragic history conveniently denies the role the US has played for almost 200 years in ensuring that Haiti doesn't stand a chance - a 60-year economic embargo that crippled the economy of a newly-independent state, military occupation, the backing of corrupt (but compliant) governments, etc. Yes, Mr. Robertson, there is a devil, and pacts are made with him every day - by people who look eerily familiar.

by: eliaustin

01-21-2010 @ 8:41pm

Props to Mimi. Although for me the issue that stands clear is not the devil's activity, rather, God's SOVEREIGNTY.

My understanding is that satan gets to do NOTHING that is outside of God's permissive will. God IS sovereign. The buck stops there. Period.

What truly troubles me though, is this trend of denial or need to exonerate God from having caused or allowed calamity. I've observed on this, and other websites. For example.. here with Kristiwilkersonjohnson, et al, and, on "something within" (Renita Weems' blog "for thinking women of faith")

There, she posted a prayer that was repeatedly affirmed by many bloggers. It was a soulful prayer--clearly straight from the heart. However, it asked that God would...

"Keep us from attributing this event as a heavenly reprimand, or from a certain haughtiness that tempts the distant soul. Give us to be compassionate, and gentle, servants to those in need..."

My heart and head resonated with all but the first line of the section above; the "Keep us from attributing this event as a heavenly reprimand" part.

My immediate thought was.. who the heck are we to tell God how God may act? Are we really so arrogant or foolish to assume that we do see and fully understand Haiti's witness sufficiently to dare to pray thus??

I see that same sentiment or problem evidenced on this site: believers refusal to recognize that one cannot accept and "bow" before a Holy, sovereign God, while simultaneously setting parameters for God to act.

What we perceive to be "nature" may well be just that--but then, it may not be SIMPLY so. The point is, at NO time is ANY of it outside of the realm of the power and grace of God.

Hence, I think its time Christians matured in their thinking. Our position before a sovereign God demands that we ask 'why" questions as well as reach out with compassion.

I, too, am not a follower of Pat R. but I think believers would do well to not be so quick to condemn him for being willing to both help AND ask what for many are questions that make us uncomfortable.

Given that on our best day we "see through the glass darkly.." and ONLY God has perfect sight AND control over ALL creation, we believers really truly need to mature, yes, but equally important--step out (act) on faith and believe that its TRUE..... All things DO and WILL.. work together for good.. for them that love God.. and are called according to GOD'S purpose. God is loving and just. God doesn't need us to "give God a break" or "help God's image!"

Truth be told, a minority of Americans truly have a reasonable understanding the complex religious/faith reality of Haiti--or much of the "third world" for that matter. Its time we matured in our understanding of what it means to worship a sovereign God, ACCEPT what that means,(the "good" and the seemingly "ungly") and repent when we do otherwise.

by: jackvanfossen

01-14-2010 @ 6:37pm

I am completely apalled by Pat Robertson's comments like most, however, you cannot deny that the Old Testament is full of examples of retribution, God rainining down sulphur and fire, plagues, illness on those who didn't obey him. If retribution and vengeance are NOT characteristics of God, then why are there examples of these in the OT?

by: tomaageson

01-15-2010 @ 11:55am

Let us pray that Voo Doo is destroyed buried deep under the rubble of collapsed buildings, roads and harbors. Let us pray that the Holy Spirit hovers all the Haitians and may our love pour out to them. God is perfect, but the evil of Voo Doo destroys and is the root of poverty and violence in Haiti.

by: wmlenters

01-14-2010 @ 6:49pm

HAITI - A BIBLICAL PERSPECTIVE - from the Prophet Isaiah (62:1-5)

Only 680 miles separate one of the wealthiest luckiest nations in the world from one of the poorest unluckiest nations in the world. Haiti has undergone a deconstruction it has not yet seen in its long history of deconstruction and poverty. Perhaps more than a 50,000 have been killed. Nothing and no one was exempt from the violent destruction this earthquake has wreaked upon a small island. The Bishop of the Catholic Church in Haiti went down in the ruins of the cathedral. The President was spared but not his palace. It was similar to an Old Testament fire and brimstone scenario 6 hundred years before the beginning of the Common Era. Here's the scene. Israel had just returned home in tatters from captivity in Babylon only to find its beloved city, Jerusalem, in ruins. The temple was destroyed. Any semblance of order or infrastructure had disappeared in the midst of the devastation. Its people were distraught and in a serious stage of despair. Much of what happened in a flash of a disastrous earthquake in Haiti happened in Israel over the span of some 70 years. Haiti's crisis is acute. Israel's crisis was chronic. Chronic pain and destruction. All hope was lost. All hope seems lost in Haiti.But now, the imaginative poet speaks: God will not keep silent over the ruins of Jerusalem. God will not rest until her restoration shines out like the dawn and her salvation like a burning torch. The whole world will see what God can do on behalf of a people seemingly lost forever in the ashes of total ruin. Surrounding nations shall see what God can do. "No longer will you called by your old name, Azubah which means Forsaken. No longer will the land be termed Shemamah which means Desolate. Now you shall be called Hephzibah which means, My Delight Is In Her. Your land shall be known as Beulah which means

by: Martha Enriqueta Lujan

01-14-2010 @ 6:52pm

Years ago, I remember hearing some wise person state that we should read the OT examples of God's response as God's way of teaching His people what was expected of them, how they should behave, what their response to God should be. In today's world, we can learn from these experiences in order to ask those questions like WHAT can we do, WHERE can we send our check, WHEN do you need me and HOW can I be of service. We can't sit back and just watch CNN. We do have to respond to the needs of others. We are learning compassion, generosity, kindness, patience, fortitude, etc. God IS with His people, through all of us.

by: tmccool

01-15-2010 @ 12:10pm

http://www.blackandchristian.com/articles/acade...

The above is a link to a well-researched and footnoted article written in October 2005 by a Haitian-American Christian pastor debunking the "pact with the devil" myth, exploring its origins and the history behind the Haitian slave revolt. Very good reading.

After reading part one, you will have to click on Academy under You Are Here, click on the Featured Articles 2005 link, and scroll down to find links to parts two and three.

by: WitnessforPeace

01-15-2010 @ 12:50pm

Thank you for the link, and your brief and thoughtful comments.

by: nancyv

01-14-2010 @ 7:20pm

Like Jim Wallis, I too have been struck that it usually the poorest of the poor that suffer during these disasters. I hate when people refer to them as the "work of God." Seems like we have forgotten about the evil that exists in this world. And it truly exists when good people do nothing. Or, worse, try to blame the victims as have Pat Robertson and Rush Limbaugh. But, praise be, it appears that most of the world is rushing, as best they can to help the people in Haiti. Yes, perhaps it is too little too late. But it does show that there is Godliness in more people than evil. I know the churches in this country and across the world will respond with requests for donations and they will give aid and comfort for the survivors. We complain so bitterly about the economy in this country, but most of us are blessed and whatever we have, whatever we can do, whatever we can give, is proof that we serve a living God.

by: fbacher

01-14-2010 @ 7:24pm

Many view the story of Sodom and Gomorrah as a lesson about God's wrath on an evil people. I view the story as a lesson about the lengths that God goes to to protect the innocent. In Abraham's discussion with God about it, God would not destroy the evil many if there were even only a handful of decent people among them.

Clearly there are at least a few decent people in Haiti. Pat Robertson who lives a very comfortable, wealthy life as a false prophet.

by: BloggerPros

01-14-2010 @ 7:26pm

Thank you, Mr. Wallis, for an excellent post. Our hearts are breaking along with those who have lost their loved ones.

by: Allan Lee Mitchell

01-15-2010 @ 1:22pm

Mr. Wallis, I don't disagree with your comments about Pat Robinson and God. I am uncomfortable with your use of the phrase, "My God..." We need to make ethical and moral decisions not on the basis of my God, but on the God of the Bible, the true and lliving God.

by: merbert

01-14-2010 @ 11:58pm

Pat Robertson's comment came from an old Haitian legend that Toussaint had a pact with the devil, and that led to Haitian independence from the French. While he did not make up this story, the fact that Robertson treats an old Voodoo legend as fact is absurd. Tragedies like this are a chance for all people on this planet to come together despite our differences and help those who are suffering. It is also, as Jim Wallis said, a chance to see poverty in the limelight and see the suffering that has also been caused by other humans. Hopefully we can keep seeing the best in ourselves as "global citizens" in the response to this tragedy.

by: MimiRothschild

01-15-2010 @ 3:16pm

Mr. Wallis, "your" God may not "cause evil" but if He is ominpotent and omniscient, then He let it happen, just as He let my own child die at the hands of murderers 13 years ago.

The issue wrt to Robertsons statement about Haiti's "pact with the devil" is not whether or not Haiti made a pact with the devil, as none of us can know if this is true. The critical issue, inho, here is whether or not people or a government can make a pact with the devil and what the consequences of giving allegiance to the devil are.

If God is real (He is) and the Bible is Truth (it is), then so is the devil. If the devil is real, one can make a deal with him. Since he is the source of all evil and suffering and has only our worst interests at heart, the devil would enjoy and have authored the devastation occuring in Haiti.

Pat Robertson did not blame the victims. He mentioned a peice of history (again, may or may not be true) to help explain to his viewers why evil flourishes and why this particular suffering may be occuring. I believe that Robertsons point is that evil happens because of the existence of the devil and the fact that people (or governments) choose the devil over God. Robertson did not say they deserve it or asked for it. If the devil exists, he is certainly the source of this devastation in Haiti and all humankind suffering.

Choose God. Not because with Him there is no evil or no suffering. Even as God's followers, we are subject to untold suffering.

But do not deny the existence of the devil. He is alive and well and working hard to devour, destroy and conquer.

Mimi Rothschild
Co-Founder, Learning By Grace, Inc.
www.LearningByGrace.org

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01-15-2010 @ 2:06am

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by: numbalum6468

01-15-2010 @ 3:23pm

Thank you Mr. Wallis for your ever thoughtful comments. I was reminded that after the tragic shootings in Columbine I heard a Youth Minister interviewed on NPR. When asked where God was when such a terrible thing happened, he replied quietly, "The same place He was when his own dear son hung on a cross."

We have just passed the great season of Christmas during which we celebrated the wonderful news that God is WITH us--Emmanuel. He came quietly, to a poor family in a tiny backwater town, and today he is again in a small, poor devastated country. Turn on your television set, browse the web, you'll see Emmanuel at work everywhere in Haiti and around the world.

Quakers believe that God dwells in each human being. No one is left out! Quakers sit in silence, something rare in our incredibly noisy society, waiting upon the Lord; listening for that "still, small voice" that calls us to be God's hands, His feet, His voice in the world.

In his Nobel Prize-nominated novel "The Peaceable Kingdom," author Jan de Hartog recounts a scene in which George Fox, founder of the Society of Friends (Quakers) confronts Margaret Fell who eventually joined him in establishing the Quaker movement: "Stop crying for proof of God's Love!" he tells her. "Prove it yourself! How else do you think God manifests His love? Through nature? Through the trees, the clouds, the beasts in the field, the stars? No, only through beings capable of doing so: ourselves. All He has is you!"

God, that vast, infinite ocean of Light and Love which dwells within each of us is today reminding us that we are His hands that search and soothe. The hands that type, the voices that phone, and eyes that seek, and hearts that give. We are the physical mnaifestation that connects God to the suffering people of Haiti. If they are to know the Love and God, it is up to US. All God has to reach the devastated people of Haiti is US! He is calling for our help. Stop crying for proof of God's Love. Prove it yourself!

by: MimiRothschild

01-15-2010 @ 3:31pm

Asking "why?" when a tragedy occurs is natural and should be encouraged not only because it gives Christians an opportunity to share the Truth but because when people hear the Truth they will be set free.

Although not a comfortable topic in our society and certainly not "politically correct", the existence of the devil is real and he gains much ground in his efforts to destroy and devastate when people do not even believe in him.

Although I have no association with Pat Robertson, I think it is fair to point out that he is not only asking how he can help (which you say is th eonly appropriate response), he has launched a major relief effort through his Operation Blessing Disaster Relief.

The truth that Robertsons comments have inspired me to remember is that "Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour." 1 Peter 5:7-9

Do we believe the devil is real, Mr. Wallis, that he is the source of all suffering including that which is taking place in Haiti?

by: StudntObsrvr

01-15-2010 @ 6:54am

Heard a saying once,"God may be kind at times, but seldom is he soft." Reality is, natural disasters do occur. Naturally. Nature is about the harshest parent one could ever have, so we don't look to nature to be a parent. Natural occurrences happen irrespective of politics, religion, Voo-Doo as is practiced in Haiti. Sh/It Happens! Once again the United States is out there lending a hand. Because we can, and should, even while we have monumental problems of our own. We still lend a hand, so to speak, do what is right without thought of reward, or so it should be. Even when we have our own crisis. It's not about Judism, Christiandem, Ala, or Ja-Weh, Buddha, Vishnu. It is about G O D the Infinite Father/Mother/Spirit for ALL peoples. Irrespective and everywhere, the Great Spirit is in the First Aid workers, Doctors, helpers of all kinds, plus an Angelic host of helpers, I would reckon. Peace be with you

by: WitnessforPeace

01-15-2010 @ 9:06am

God's ways are perfect. David said it in the Psalms; I just read it in Deuteronomy. A "not perfect" God would be no God at all, but a pathetic tyrant: Zeus on steroids, or Richard Dawkins with magical powers. I disagree with Jim and Pat alike, while leaning strangly toward Jim on this one. God is not punishing an entire nation for the sins of a few. But both of them may be presuming to know way too much! Jim is leaning towards the PC line that "voodoo is OK if it's their indigenous religion" Voodoo is evil; so is corrupt government. Poor people sin, too. But from an American perspective we should be amazed at the resilince and love of the Haitian people, and even their generosity towards strangers and visitors. That is humbling; that is God at work. We should imitate their generosity and focus not on their sins, but our own. Why has partisan politics and health care been so much more important than Darfur and countries in our own hemisphere? Who gives a da_n about Kennedy's legacy, or Obama's?

by: mikefox

01-19-2010 @ 9:08pm

Natural disasters effect everyone regardless of what they believe or behave like don't they? This is clear in the New testament surely?

by: WitnessforPeace

01-15-2010 @ 9:45am

Tx for your thoughts. Maybe S&G is both wrath AND mercy. We don't entirely know. I strongly disagree w/Pat's comment, but by your standard Jim is a false prophet, too.

by: tomaageson

01-15-2010 @ 11:55am

Let us pray that Voo Doo is destroyed buried deep under the rubble of collapsed buildings, roads and harbors. Let us pray that the Holy Spirit hovers all the Haitians and may our love pour out to them. God is perfect, but the evil of Voo Doo destroys and is the root of poverty and violence in Haiti.

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by: kristywilkersonjohnson

01-14-2010 @ 2:12pm

Here is one Christian who condemns Rev. Robertson's comments...When a disaster occurs, such as the one Haiti is going through, the major question should NEVER be--WHY is this happening? There is absolutely nothing useful in such a question. When the initial calamity happens all humanity no matter what political, religious, social status etc. one is affiliated with should ask the questions ---WHAT can I do to help? WHERE can I send the check? WHEN do you need me the most? HOW can I be of service? That should be THE ONLY Christian response!!!!

I do not understand why WE (Christians that is) allow such a Old Testament Wielding Blowhard voice his unChristlike comments after every tragedy? Pat, old man, before you say anything the cliche phrase of WWJD (What would Jesus Do or Say perhaps) should be THE ONLY thing you ponder. Retire already!

by: kristywilkersonjohnson

01-14-2010 @ 2:12pm

Here is one Christian who condemns Rev. Robertson's comments...When a disaster occurs, such as the one Haiti is going through, the major question should NEVER be--WHY is this happening? There is absolutely nothing useful in such a question. When the initial calamity happens all humanity no matter what political, religious, social status etc. one is affiliated with should ask the questions ---WHAT can I do to help? WHERE can I send the check? WHEN do you need me the most? HOW can I be of service? That should be THE ONLY Christian response!!!!

I do not understand why WE (Christians that is) allow such a Old Testament Wielding Blowhard voice his unChristlike comments after every tragedy? Pat, old man, before you say anything the cliche phrase of WWJD (What would Jesus Do or Say perhaps) should be THE ONLY thing you ponder. Retire already!

by: jackvanfossen

01-14-2010 @ 6:37pm

I am completely apalled by Pat Robertson's comments like most, however, you cannot deny that the Old Testament is full of examples of retribution, God rainining down sulphur and fire, plagues, illness on those who didn't obey him. If retribution and vengeance are NOT characteristics of God, then why are there examples of these in the OT?

by: jackvanfossen

01-14-2010 @ 6:37pm

I am completely apalled by Pat Robertson's comments like most, however, you cannot deny that the Old Testament is full of examples of retribution, God rainining down sulphur and fire, plagues, illness on those who didn't obey him. If retribution and vengeance are NOT characteristics of God, then why are there examples of these in the OT?

by: wmlenters

01-14-2010 @ 6:49pm

HAITI - A BIBLICAL PERSPECTIVE - from the Prophet Isaiah (62:1-5)

Only 680 miles separate one of the wealthiest luckiest nations in the world from one of the poorest unluckiest nations in the world. Haiti has undergone a deconstruction it has not yet seen in its long history of deconstruction and poverty. Perhaps more than a 50,000 have been killed. Nothing and no one was exempt from the violent destruction this earthquake has wreaked upon a small island. The Bishop of the Catholic Church in Haiti went down in the ruins of the cathedral. The President was spared but not his palace. It was similar to an Old Testament fire and brimstone scenario 6 hundred years before the beginning of the Common Era. Here's the scene. Israel had just returned home in tatters from captivity in Babylon only to find its beloved city, Jerusalem, in ruins. The temple was destroyed. Any semblance of order or infrastructure had disappeared in the midst of the devastation. Its people were distraught and in a serious stage of despair. Much of what happened in a flash of a disastrous earthquake in Haiti happened in Israel over the span of some 70 years. Haiti's crisis is acute. Israel's crisis was chronic. Chronic pain and destruction. All hope was lost. All hope seems lost in Haiti.But now, the imaginative poet speaks: God will not keep silent over the ruins of Jerusalem. God will not rest until her restoration shines out like the dawn and her salvation like a burning torch. The whole world will see what God can do on behalf of a people seemingly lost forever in the ashes of total ruin. Surrounding nations shall see what God can do. "No longer will you called by your old name, Azubah which means Forsaken. No longer will the land be termed Shemamah which means Desolate. Now you shall be called Hephzibah which means, My Delight Is In Her. Your land shall be known as Beulah which means

by: wmlenters

01-14-2010 @ 6:49pm

HAITI - A BIBLICAL PERSPECTIVE - from the Prophet Isaiah (62:1-5)

Only 680 miles separate one of the wealthiest luckiest nations in the world from one of the poorest unluckiest nations in the world. Haiti has undergone a deconstruction it has not yet seen in its long history of deconstruction and poverty. Perhaps more than a 50,000 have been killed. Nothing and no one was exempt from the violent destruction this earthquake has wreaked upon a small island. The Bishop of the Catholic Church in Haiti went down in the ruins of the cathedral. The President was spared but not his palace. It was similar to an Old Testament fire and brimstone scenario 6 hundred years before the beginning of the Common Era. Here's the scene. Israel had just returned home in tatters from captivity in Babylon only to find its beloved city, Jerusalem, in ruins. The temple was destroyed. Any semblance of order or infrastructure had disappeared in the midst of the devastation. Its people were distraught and in a serious stage of despair. Much of what happened in a flash of a disastrous earthquake in Haiti happened in Israel over the span of some 70 years. Haiti's crisis is acute. Israel's crisis was chronic. Chronic pain and destruction. All hope was lost. All hope seems lost in Haiti.But now, the imaginative poet speaks: God will not keep silent over the ruins of Jerusalem. God will not rest until her restoration shines out like the dawn and her salvation like a burning torch. The whole world will see what God can do on behalf of a people seemingly lost forever in the ashes of total ruin. Surrounding nations shall see what God can do. "No longer will you called by your old name, Azubah which means Forsaken. No longer will the land be termed Shemamah which means Desolate. Now you shall be called Hephzibah which means, My Delight Is In Her. Your land shall be known as Beulah which means

by: Martha Enriqueta Lujan

01-14-2010 @ 6:52pm

Years ago, I remember hearing some wise person state that we should read the OT examples of God's response as God's way of teaching His people what was expected of them, how they should behave, what their response to God should be. In today's world, we can learn from these experiences in order to ask those questions like WHAT can we do, WHERE can we send our check, WHEN do you need me and HOW can I be of service. We can't sit back and just watch CNN. We do have to respond to the needs of others. We are learning compassion, generosity, kindness, patience, fortitude, etc. God IS with His people, through all of us.

by: Martha Enriqueta Lujan

01-14-2010 @ 6:52pm

Years ago, I remember hearing some wise person state that we should read the OT examples of God's response as God's way of teaching His people what was expected of them, how they should behave, what their response to God should be. In today's world, we can learn from these experiences in order to ask those questions like WHAT can we do, WHERE can we send our check, WHEN do you need me and HOW can I be of service. We can't sit back and just watch CNN. We do have to respond to the needs of others. We are learning compassion, generosity, kindness, patience, fortitude, etc. God IS with His people, through all of us.

by: nancyv

01-14-2010 @ 7:20pm

Like Jim Wallis, I too have been struck that it usually the poorest of the poor that suffer during these disasters. I hate when people refer to them as the "work of God." Seems like we have forgotten about the evil that exists in this world. And it truly exists when good people do nothing. Or, worse, try to blame the victims as have Pat Robertson and Rush Limbaugh. But, praise be, it appears that most of the world is rushing, as best they can to help the people in Haiti. Yes, perhaps it is too little too late. But it does show that there is Godliness in more people than evil. I know the churches in this country and across the world will respond with requests for donations and they will give aid and comfort for the survivors. We complain so bitterly about the economy in this country, but most of us are blessed and whatever we have, whatever we can do, whatever we can give, is proof that we serve a living God.

by: nancyv

01-14-2010 @ 7:20pm

Like Jim Wallis, I too have been struck that it usually the poorest of the poor that suffer during these disasters. I hate when people refer to them as the "work of God." Seems like we have forgotten about the evil that exists in this world. And it truly exists when good people do nothing. Or, worse, try to blame the victims as have Pat Robertson and Rush Limbaugh. But, praise be, it appears that most of the world is rushing, as best they can to help the people in Haiti. Yes, perhaps it is too little too late. But it does show that there is Godliness in more people than evil. I know the churches in this country and across the world will respond with requests for donations and they will give aid and comfort for the survivors. We complain so bitterly about the economy in this country, but most of us are blessed and whatever we have, whatever we can do, whatever we can give, is proof that we serve a living God.

by: fbacher

01-14-2010 @ 7:24pm

Many view the story of Sodom and Gomorrah as a lesson about God's wrath on an evil people. I view the story as a lesson about the lengths that God goes to to protect the innocent. In Abraham's discussion with God about it, God would not destroy the evil many if there were even only a handful of decent people among them.

Clearly there are at least a few decent people in Haiti. Pat Robertson who lives a very comfortable, wealthy life as a false prophet.

by: fbacher

01-14-2010 @ 7:24pm

Many view the story of Sodom and Gomorrah as a lesson about God's wrath on an evil people. I view the story as a lesson about the lengths that God goes to to protect the innocent. In Abraham's discussion with God about it, God would not destroy the evil many if there were even only a handful of decent people among them.

Clearly there are at least a few decent people in Haiti. Pat Robertson who lives a very comfortable, wealthy life as a false prophet.

by: BloggerPros

01-14-2010 @ 7:26pm

Thank you, Mr. Wallis, for an excellent post. Our hearts are breaking along with those who have lost their loved ones.

by: BloggerPros

01-14-2010 @ 7:26pm

Thank you, Mr. Wallis, for an excellent post. Our hearts are breaking along with those who have lost their loved ones.

by: merbert

01-14-2010 @ 11:58pm

Pat Robertson's comment came from an old Haitian legend that Toussaint had a pact with the devil, and that led to Haitian independence from the French. While he did not make up this story, the fact that Robertson treats an old Voodoo legend as fact is absurd. Tragedies like this are a chance for all people on this planet to come together despite our differences and help those who are suffering. It is also, as Jim Wallis said, a chance to see poverty in the limelight and see the suffering that has also been caused by other humans. Hopefully we can keep seeing the best in ourselves as "global citizens" in the response to this tragedy.

by: merbert

01-14-2010 @ 11:58pm

Pat Robertson's comment came from an old Haitian legend that Toussaint had a pact with the devil, and that led to Haitian independence from the French. While he did not make up this story, the fact that Robertson treats an old Voodoo legend as fact is absurd. Tragedies like this are a chance for all people on this planet to come together despite our differences and help those who are suffering. It is also, as Jim Wallis said, a chance to see poverty in the limelight and see the suffering that has also been caused by other humans. Hopefully we can keep seeing the best in ourselves as "global citizens" in the response to this tragedy.

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01-15-2010 @ 2:06am

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by: StudntObsrvr

01-15-2010 @ 6:54am

Heard a saying once,"God may be kind at times, but seldom is he soft." Reality is, natural disasters do occur. Naturally. Nature is about the harshest parent one could ever have, so we don't look to nature to be a parent. Natural occurrences happen irrespective of politics, religion, Voo-Doo as is practiced in Haiti. Sh/It Happens! Once again the United States is out there lending a hand. Because we can, and should, even while we have monumental problems of our own. We still lend a hand, so to speak, do what is right without thought of reward, or so it should be. Even when we have our own crisis. It's not about Judism, Christiandem, Ala, or Ja-Weh, Buddha, Vishnu. It is about G O D the Infinite Father/Mother/Spirit for ALL peoples. Irrespective and everywhere, the Great Spirit is in the First Aid workers, Doctors, helpers of all kinds, plus an Angelic host of helpers, I would reckon. Peace be with you

by: StudntObsrvr

01-15-2010 @ 6:54am

Heard a saying once,"God may be kind at times, but seldom is he soft." Reality is, natural disasters do occur. Naturally. Nature is about the harshest parent one could ever have, so we don't look to nature to be a parent. Natural occurrences happen irrespective of politics, religion, Voo-Doo as is practiced in Haiti. Sh/It Happens! Once again the United States is out there lending a hand. Because we can, and should, even while we have monumental problems of our own. We still lend a hand, so to speak, do what is right without thought of reward, or so it should be. Even when we have our own crisis. It's not about Judism, Christiandem, Ala, or Ja-Weh, Buddha, Vishnu. It is about G O D the Infinite Father/Mother/Spirit for ALL peoples. Irrespective and everywhere, the Great Spirit is in the First Aid workers, Doctors, helpers of all kinds, plus an Angelic host of helpers, I would reckon. Peace be with you

by: WitnessforPeace

01-15-2010 @ 9:06am

God's ways are perfect. David said it in the Psalms; I just read it in Deuteronomy. A "not perfect" God would be no God at all, but a pathetic tyrant: Zeus on steroids, or Richard Dawkins with magical powers. I disagree with Jim and Pat alike, while leaning strangly toward Jim on this one. God is not punishing an entire nation for the sins of a few. But both of them may be presuming to know way too much! Jim is leaning towards the PC line that "voodoo is OK if it's their indigenous religion" Voodoo is evil; so is corrupt government. Poor people sin, too. But from an American perspective we should be amazed at the resilince and love of the Haitian people, and even their generosity towards strangers and visitors. That is humbling; that is God at work. We should imitate their generosity and focus not on their sins, but our own. Why has partisan politics and health care been so much more important than Darfur and countries in our own hemisphere? Who gives a da_n about Kennedy's legacy, or Obama's?

by: WitnessforPeace

01-15-2010 @ 9:06am

God's ways are perfect. David said it in the Psalms; I just read it in Deuteronomy. A "not perfect" God would be no God at all, but a pathetic tyrant: Zeus on steroids, or Richard Dawkins with magical powers. I disagree with Jim and Pat alike, while leaning strangly toward Jim on this one. God is not punishing an entire nation for the sins of a few. But both of them may be presuming to know way too much! Jim is leaning towards the PC line that "voodoo is OK if it's their indigenous religion" Voodoo is evil; so is corrupt government. Poor people sin, too. But from an American perspective we should be amazed at the resilince and love of the Haitian people, and even their generosity towards strangers and visitors. That is humbling; that is God at work. We should imitate their generosity and focus not on their sins, but our own. Why has partisan politics and health care been so much more important than Darfur and countries in our own hemisphere? Who gives a da_n about Kennedy's legacy, or Obama's?

by: WitnessforPeace

01-15-2010 @ 9:45am

Tx for your thoughts. Maybe S&G is both wrath AND mercy. We don't entirely know. I strongly disagree w/Pat's comment, but by your standard Jim is a false prophet, too.

by: WitnessforPeace

01-15-2010 @ 9:45am

Tx for your thoughts. Maybe S&G is both wrath AND mercy. We don't entirely know. I strongly disagree w/Pat's comment, but by your standard Jim is a false prophet, too.

by: tomaageson

01-15-2010 @ 11:55am

Let us pray that Voo Doo is destroyed buried deep under the rubble of collapsed buildings, roads and harbors. Let us pray that the Holy Spirit hovers all the Haitians and may our love pour out to them. God is perfect, but the evil of Voo Doo destroys and is the root of poverty and violence in Haiti.

by: tomaageson

01-15-2010 @ 11:55am

Let us pray that Voo Doo is destroyed buried deep under the rubble of collapsed buildings, roads and harbors. Let us pray that the Holy Spirit hovers all the Haitians and may our love pour out to them. God is perfect, but the evil of Voo Doo destroys and is the root of poverty and violence in Haiti.

by: tmccool

01-15-2010 @ 12:10pm

http://www.blackandchristian.com/articles/acade...

The above is a link to a well-researched and footnoted article written in October 2005 by a Haitian-American Christian pastor debunking the "pact with the devil" myth, exploring its origins and the history behind the Haitian slave revolt. Very good reading.

After reading part one, you will have to click on Academy under You Are Here, click on the Featured Articles 2005 link, and scroll down to find links to parts two and three.

by: tmccool

01-15-2010 @ 12:10pm

http://www.blackandchristian.com/articles/acade...

The above is a link to a well-researched and footnoted article written in October 2005 by a Haitian-American Christian pastor debunking the "pact with the devil" myth, exploring its origins and the history behind the Haitian slave revolt. Very good reading.

After reading part one, you will have to click on Academy under You Are Here, click on the Featured Articles 2005 link, and scroll down to find links to parts two and three.

by: WitnessforPeace

01-15-2010 @ 12:50pm

Thank you for the link, and your brief and thoughtful comments.

by: WitnessforPeace

01-15-2010 @ 12:50pm

Thank you for the link, and your brief and thoughtful comments.

by: Allan Lee Mitchell

01-15-2010 @ 1:22pm

Mr. Wallis, I don't disagree with your comments about Pat Robinson and God. I am uncomfortable with your use of the phrase, "My God..." We need to make ethical and moral decisions not on the basis of my God, but on the God of the Bible, the true and lliving God.

by: Allan Lee Mitchell

01-15-2010 @ 1:22pm

Mr. Wallis, I don't disagree with your comments about Pat Robinson and God. I am uncomfortable with your use of the phrase, "My God..." We need to make ethical and moral decisions not on the basis of my God, but on the God of the Bible, the true and lliving God.

by: MimiRothschild

01-15-2010 @ 3:16pm

Mr. Wallis, "your" God may not "cause evil" but if He is ominpotent and omniscient, then He let it happen, just as He let my own child die at the hands of murderers 13 years ago.

The issue wrt to Robertsons statement about Haiti's "pact with the devil" is not whether or not Haiti made a pact with the devil, as none of us can know if this is true. The critical issue, inho, here is whether or not people or a government can make a pact with the devil and what the consequences of giving allegiance to the devil are.

If God is real (He is) and the Bible is Truth (it is), then so is the devil. If the devil is real, one can make a deal with him. Since he is the source of all evil and suffering and has only our worst interests at heart, the devil would enjoy and have authored the devastation occuring in Haiti.

Pat Robertson did not blame the victims. He mentioned a peice of history (again, may or may not be true) to help explain to his viewers why evil flourishes and why this particular suffering may be occuring. I believe that Robertsons point is that evil happens because of the existence of the devil and the fact that people (or governments) choose the devil over God. Robertson did not say they deserve it or asked for it. If the devil exists, he is certainly the source of this devastation in Haiti and all humankind suffering.

Choose God. Not because with Him there is no evil or no suffering. Even as God's followers, we are subject to untold suffering.

But do not deny the existence of the devil. He is alive and well and working hard to devour, destroy and conquer.

Mimi Rothschild
Co-Founder, Learning By Grace, Inc.
www.LearningByGrace.org

by: MimiRothschild

01-15-2010 @ 3:16pm

Mr. Wallis, "your" God may not "cause evil" but if He is ominpotent and omniscient, then He let it happen, just as He let my own child die at the hands of murderers 13 years ago.

The issue wrt to Robertsons statement about Haiti's "pact with the devil" is not whether or not Haiti made a pact with the devil, as none of us can know if this is true. The critical issue, inho, here is whether or not people or a government can make a pact with the devil and what the consequences of giving allegiance to the devil are.

If God is real (He is) and the Bible is Truth (it is), then so is the devil. If the devil is real, one can make a deal with him. Since he is the source of all evil and suffering and has only our worst interests at heart, the devil would enjoy and have authored the devastation occuring in Haiti.

Pat Robertson did not blame the victims. He mentioned a peice of history (again, may or may not be true) to help explain to his viewers why evil flourishes and why this particular suffering may be occuring. I believe that Robertsons point is that evil happens because of the existence of the devil and the fact that people (or governments) choose the devil over God. Robertson did not say they deserve it or asked for it. If the devil exists, he is certainly the source of this devastation in Haiti and all humankind suffering.

Choose God. Not because with Him there is no evil or no suffering. Even as God's followers, we are subject to untold suffering.

But do not deny the existence of the devil. He is alive and well and working hard to devour, destroy and conquer.

Mimi Rothschild
Co-Founder, Learning By Grace, Inc.
www.LearningByGrace.org

by: numbalum6468

01-15-2010 @ 3:23pm

Thank you Mr. Wallis for your ever thoughtful comments. I was reminded that after the tragic shootings in Columbine I heard a Youth Minister interviewed on NPR. When asked where God was when such a terrible thing happened, he replied quietly, "The same place He was when his own dear son hung on a cross."

We have just passed the great season of Christmas during which we celebrated the wonderful news that God is WITH us--Emmanuel. He came quietly, to a poor family in a tiny backwater town, and today he is again in a small, poor devastated country. Turn on your television set, browse the web, you'll see Emmanuel at work everywhere in Haiti and around the world.

Quakers believe that God dwells in each human being. No one is left out! Quakers sit in silence, something rare in our incredibly noisy society, waiting upon the Lord; listening for that "still, small voice" that calls us to be God's hands, His feet, His voice in the world.

In his Nobel Prize-nominated novel "The Peaceable Kingdom," author Jan de Hartog recounts a scene in which George Fox, founder of the Society of Friends (Quakers) confronts Margaret Fell who eventually joined him in establishing the Quaker movement: "Stop crying for proof of God's Love!" he tells her. "Prove it yourself! How else do you think God manifests His love? Through nature? Through the trees, the clouds, the beasts in the field, the stars? No, only through beings capable of doing so: ourselves. All He has is you!"

God, that vast, infinite ocean of Light and Love which dwells within each of us is today reminding us that we are His hands that search and soothe. The hands that type, the voices that phone, and eyes that seek, and hearts that give. We are the physical mnaifestation that connects God to the suffering people of Haiti. If they are to know the Love and God, it is up to US. All God has to reach the devastated people of Haiti is US! He is calling for our help. Stop crying for proof of God's Love. Prove it yourself!

by: numbalum6468

01-15-2010 @ 3:23pm

Thank you Mr. Wallis for your ever thoughtful comments. I was reminded that after the tragic shootings in Columbine I heard a Youth Minister interviewed on NPR. When asked where God was when such a terrible thing happened, he replied quietly, "The same place He was when his own dear son hung on a cross."

We have just passed the great season of Christmas during which we celebrated the wonderful news that God is WITH us--Emmanuel. He came quietly, to a poor family in a tiny backwater town, and today he is again in a small, poor devastated country. Turn on your television set, browse the web, you'll see Emmanuel at work everywhere in Haiti and around the world.

Quakers believe that God dwells in each human being. No one is left out! Quakers sit in silence, something rare in our incredibly noisy society, waiting upon the Lord; listening for that "still, small voice" that calls us to be God's hands, His feet, His voice in the world.

In his Nobel Prize-nominated novel "The Peaceable Kingdom," author Jan de Hartog recounts a scene in which George Fox, founder of the Society of Friends (Quakers) confronts Margaret Fell who eventually joined him in establishing the Quaker movement: "Stop crying for proof of God's Love!" he tells her. "Prove it yourself! How else do you think God manifests His love? Through nature? Through the trees, the clouds, the beasts in the field, the stars? No, only through beings capable of doing so: ourselves. All He has is you!"

God, that vast, infinite ocean of Light and Love which dwells within each of us is today reminding us that we are His hands that search and soothe. The hands that type, the voices that phone, and eyes that seek, and hearts that give. We are the physical mnaifestation that connects God to the suffering people of Haiti. If they are to know the Love and God, it is up to US. All God has to reach the devastated people of Haiti is US! He is calling for our help. Stop crying for proof of God's Love. Prove it yourself!

by: MimiRothschild

01-15-2010 @ 3:31pm

Asking "why?" when a tragedy occurs is natural and should be encouraged not only because it gives Christians an opportunity to share the Truth but because when people hear the Truth they will be set free.

Although not a comfortable topic in our society and certainly not "politically correct", the existence of the devil is real and he gains much ground in his efforts to destroy and devastate when people do not even believe in him.

Although I have no association with Pat Robertson, I think it is fair to point out that he is not only asking how he can help (which you say is th eonly appropriate response), he has launched a major relief effort through his Operation Blessing Disaster Relief.

The truth that Robertsons comments have inspired me to remember is that "Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour." 1 Peter 5:7-9

Do we believe the devil is real, Mr. Wallis, that he is the source of all suffering including that which is taking place in Haiti?

by: MimiRothschild

01-15-2010 @ 3:31pm

Asking "why?" when a tragedy occurs is natural and should be encouraged not only because it gives Christians an opportunity to share the Truth but because when people hear the Truth they will be set free.

Although not a comfortable topic in our society and certainly not "politically correct", the existence of the devil is real and he gains much ground in his efforts to destroy and devastate when people do not even believe in him.

Although I have no association with Pat Robertson, I think it is fair to point out that he is not only asking how he can help (which you say is th eonly appropriate response), he has launched a major relief effort through his Operation Blessing Disaster Relief.

The truth that Robertsons comments have inspired me to remember is that "Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour." 1 Peter 5:7-9

Do we believe the devil is real, Mr. Wallis, that he is the source of all suffering including that which is taking place in Haiti?

by: batorsin

01-15-2010 @ 10:04pm

Yes, the devil is real. The bible also reads, "Revenge is mine," saith the Lord. I'm not saying this is God's work, but the culture there is satanic with voodoo dolls, and the like. I say we just pray for those people and have them have faith that God will see them through this.

by: batorsin

01-15-2010 @ 10:04pm

Yes, the devil is real. The bible also reads, "Revenge is mine," saith the Lord. I'm not saying this is God's work, but the culture there is satanic with voodoo dolls, and the like. I say we just pray for those people and have them have faith that God will see them through this.

by: timklee

01-16-2010 @ 1:20am

God WILL reward evil, bottom line. God WILL reward righteousness. Bottom line.

by: timklee

01-16-2010 @ 1:20am

God WILL reward evil, bottom line. God WILL reward righteousness. Bottom line.

by: JayBreeding

01-16-2010 @ 3:55pm

Well said. A great message of hope in the midst of a horrible tragedy.

by: JayBreeding

01-16-2010 @ 3:55pm

Well said. A great message of hope in the midst of a horrible tragedy.

by: mikefox

01-19-2010 @ 9:08pm

Natural disasters effect everyone regardless of what they believe or behave like don't they? This is clear in the New testament surely?

by: mikefox

01-19-2010 @ 9:08pm

Natural disasters effect everyone regardless of what they believe or behave like don't they? This is clear in the New testament surely?

by: eliaustin

01-21-2010 @ 8:41pm

Props to Mimi. Although for me the issue that stands clear is not the devil's activity, rather, God's SOVEREIGNTY.

My understanding is that satan gets to do NOTHING that is outside of God's permissive will. God IS sovereign. The buck stops there. Period.

What truly troubles me though, is this trend of denial or need to exonerate God from having caused or allowed calamity. I've observed on this, and other websites. For example.. here with Kristiwilkersonjohnson, et al, and, on "something within" (Renita Weems' blog "for thinking women of faith")

There, she posted a prayer that was repeatedly affirmed by many bloggers. It was a soulful prayer--clearly straight from the heart. However, it asked that God would...

"Keep us from attributing this event as a heavenly reprimand, or from a certain haughtiness that tempts the distant soul. Give us to be compassionate, and gentle, servants to those in need..."

My heart and head resonated with all but the first line of the section above; the "Keep us from attributing this event as a heavenly reprimand" part.

My immediate thought was.. who the heck are we to tell God how God may act? Are we really so arrogant or foolish to assume that we do see and fully understand Haiti's witness sufficiently to dare to pray thus??

I see that same sentiment or problem evidenced on this site: believers refusal to recognize that one cannot accept and "bow" before a Holy, sovereign God, while simultaneously setting parameters for God to act.

What we perceive to be "nature" may well be just that--but then, it may not be SIMPLY so. The point is, at NO time is ANY of it outside of the realm of the power and grace of God.

Hence, I think its time Christians matured in their thinking. Our position before a sovereign God demands that we ask 'why" questions as well as reach out with compassion.

I, too, am not a follower of Pat R. but I think believers would do well to not be so quick to condemn him for being willing to both help AND ask what for many are questions that make us uncomfortable.

Given that on our best day we "see through the glass darkly.." and ONLY God has perfect sight AND control over ALL creation, we believers really truly need to mature, yes, but equally important--step out (act) on faith and believe that its TRUE..... All things DO and WILL.. work together for good.. for them that love God.. and are called according to GOD'S purpose. God is loving and just. God doesn't need us to "give God a break" or "help God's image!"

Truth be told, a minority of Americans truly have a reasonable understanding the complex religious/faith reality of Haiti--or much of the "third world" for that matter. Its time we matured in our understanding of what it means to worship a sovereign God, ACCEPT what that means,(the "good" and the seemingly "ungly") and repent when we do otherwise.

by: eliaustin

01-21-2010 @ 8:41pm

Props to Mimi. Although for me the issue that stands clear is not the devil's activity, rather, God's SOVEREIGNTY.

My understanding is that satan gets to do NOTHING that is outside of God's permissive will. God IS sovereign. The buck stops there. Period.

What truly troubles me though, is this trend of denial or need to exonerate God from having caused or allowed calamity. I've observed on this, and other websites. For example.. here with Kristiwilkersonjohnson, et al, and, on "something within" (Renita Weems' blog "for thinking women of faith")

There, she posted a prayer that was repeatedly affirmed by many bloggers. It was a soulful prayer--clearly straight from the heart. However, it asked that God would...

"Keep us from attributing this event as a heavenly reprimand, or from a certain haughtiness that tempts the distant soul. Give us to be compassionate, and gentle, servants to those in need..."

My heart and head resonated with all but the first line of the section above; the "Keep us from attributing this event as a heavenly reprimand" part.

My immediate thought was.. who the heck are we to tell God how God may act? Are we really so arrogant or foolish to assume that we do see and fully understand Haiti's witness sufficiently to dare to pray thus??

I see that same sentiment or problem evidenced on this site: believers refusal to recognize that one cannot accept and "bow" before a Holy, sovereign God, while simultaneously setting parameters for God to act.

What we perceive to be "nature" may well be just that--but then, it may not be SIMPLY so. The point is, at NO time is ANY of it outside of the realm of the power and grace of God.

Hence, I think its time Christians matured in their thinking. Our position before a sovereign God demands that we ask 'why" questions as well as reach out with compassion.

I, too, am not a follower of Pat R. but I think believers would do well to not be so quick to condemn him for being willing to both help AND ask what for many are questions that make us uncomfortable.

Given that on our best day we "see through the glass darkly.." and ONLY God has perfect sight AND control over ALL creation, we believers really truly need to mature, yes, but equally important--step out (act) on faith and believe that its TRUE..... All things DO and WILL.. work together for good.. for them that love God.. and are called according to GOD'S purpose. God is loving and just. God doesn't need us to "give God a break" or "help God's image!"

Truth be told, a minority of Americans truly have a reasonable understanding the complex religious/faith reality of Haiti--or much of the "third world" for that matter. Its time we matured in our understanding of what it means to worship a sovereign God, ACCEPT what that means,(the "good" and the seemingly "ungly") and repent when we do otherwise.

by: liastar

01-24-2010 @ 4:48pm

I'm grateful when Christian leaders like Jim Wallis speak out against the hatred and oppression perpetrated by the Pat Robertsons of the world. In addition to being insensitive and inaccurate, Robertson's overly simplistic commentary on Haiti's tragic history conveniently denies the role the US has played for almost 200 years in ensuring that Haiti doesn't stand a chance - a 60-year economic embargo that crippled the economy of a newly-independent state, military occupation, the backing of corrupt (but compliant) governments, etc. Yes, Mr. Robertson, there is a devil, and pacts are made with him every day - by people who look eerily familiar.

by: liastar

01-24-2010 @ 4:48pm

I'm grateful when Christian leaders like Jim Wallis speak out against the hatred and oppression perpetrated by the Pat Robertsons of the world. In addition to being insensitive and inaccurate, Robertson's overly simplistic commentary on Haiti's tragic history conveniently denies the role the US has played for almost 200 years in ensuring that Haiti doesn't stand a chance - a 60-year economic embargo that crippled the economy of a newly-independent state, military occupation, the backing of corrupt (but compliant) governments, etc. Yes, Mr. Robertson, there is a devil, and pacts are made with him every day - by people who look eerily familiar.

by: liastar

01-24-2010 @ 6:48pm

I'm grateful when Christian leaders like Jim Wallis speak out against the hatred and oppression perpetrated by the Pat Robertsons of the world. In addition to being insensitive and inaccurate, Robertson's overly simplistic commentary on Haiti's tragic history conveniently denies the role the US has played for almost 200 years in ensuring that Haiti doesn't stand a chance - a 60-year economic embargo that crippled the economy of a newly-independent state, military occupation, the backing of corrupt (but compliant) governments, etc. Yes, Mr. Robertson, there is a devil, and pacts are made with him every day - by people who look eerily familiar.