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The Real Solution to Childhood Obesity

With more than a third of our children now overweight and many already diabetic, Americans of all political colors should commend the First Lady for her recently-announced campaign against childhood obesity. But taking on such an enormous problem is going to require a lot more than praise. And it will require more than heart-healthy choices, limited TV, and "opportunities for exercise" -- buzzwords that public health experts have been tossing around for years with no apparent effect.

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This will require something very old-fashioned and very unpopular: self-discipline and self-control.

There are many factors which contribute to our current epidemic of obesity: the near-elimination of physical labor by technology; the disappearance of playgrounds and neighborhood ballgames; too few miles walked, and far too many driven. All of these things add up to a soft, comfortable life, which is hazardous to our health. One rather obvious fact seems to be repeatedly ignored: we Americans simply eat way too much food, while millions of other people are starving.

We eat not only once or twice a day, but three or four times a day. And despite what we may think or say, we adults are very bad examples. And so as noble as our intentions to help children may be, they will continue to fail if we do not recognize that we ourselves are the problem. If we want our children to change, then we have to start with ourselves, and start to eliminate our bad eating habits.

I have recognized these bad habits in my own life, and have decided -- along with other friends -- to change them. This starts with daily exercise. Also, since the recent tragedy in Haiti, we have decided to only eat two meals a day, and quite often skip dinner as well. With the money we've saved, we are sending checks to local people who are involved in grass-roots relief efforts: a local obstetrician who is traveling to Haiti this spring, or a couple who support four orphanages.

There is much more we can all do, simply by saying "no" to some of the many pleasures that we take for granted. Then we can give away the money we've saved to people who are suffering. Many little steps can make a big difference.

School districts should keep on ripping out vending machines and buying fresh local produce instead of processed foods. But these efforts must be accompanied by a serious debate about the role of personal responsibility. Let's talk not only about calories and diets and exercise regimens, but about self-discipline, self-control, and self-denial. And then we need to turn that talk into action, starting with ourselves.

When we start with ourselves, our children will catch on very fast. We will be surprised how happily they will follow our example.

Johann Christoph Arnold is the author of ten books, which are available as free e-books at www.plough.com.

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by: JoelleHart

02-15-2010 @ 11:52pm

I appreciate the commenters who are emphasizing cheap, healthful staples, and eating lower on the food chain. I feel uncomfortable with the way the article concentrates solely on the number of meals eaten, and seems to imply that eating more than once a day is self-indulgent and morally weak.

I was in a church that emphasized fasting as a spiritual discipline, with the same implication that I am getting from this article -- if you ate when you were hungry, you were unspiritual and and had to discipline your sinful flesh. Skipping meals made me obsessed with food, which led me to feel more sinful and feel more need to fast -- I was 102 lbs (at 5'6") when I was finally told to stop (by a doctor, not by the church).

I know that is not the intention here -- the culture of excess in America is ridiculous, and needs reform. But surely there could have been more dimension here -- demonizing the act of eating itself is one-sided and can be dangerous for some people.

by: mindymama

02-15-2010 @ 6:32pm

Brent, have you re-read your posts? You assign motives very freely, to people who are completely unknown to you. "Fulfill their need for significance and purpose by making other people feel guilty for lower class ills"? How could you possibly know this? Statements like this one are why several people have said you come off as being judgmental.

Have you read Christ's frequent commands (not suggestions) to take care of the poor? He didn't qualify these commands by indicating we should help those who are deserving or who work hard or anything. The commands are simple and straightforward: Feed the poor. And Jesus didn't tell the multitudes to go out and find something to eat (although the apostles told him to), or chastise them for not bringing food with them, or even insist that they follow Him to earn their meal. He saw their need, and He met it.

Do you understand the gospel? When we understand how much we have been given by a loving and infinitely generous Father, even though we are utterly undeserving, even though there is nothing we could possibly do to earn this amazing gift, we find it much easier to give to others. We deserve death and hell. Every single one of us. I know this is a very un-American ideal, but it is the truth of the gospel of Jesus Christ. There is no "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" or "try harder to do better". We are utterly without merit on our own; it is only the work of Christ that saves us! What a beautiful gift! And when we really grasp the enormity of this gift, we have no choice but to be generous with others, at all times, sacrificially, whether they deserve it or not.

by: mcscott

02-15-2010 @ 3:59am

Jamie Oliver has had quite a profound impact on meals provided in schools in the UK. His challenge to the USA on accepting his recent TED award is worth taking on board http://www.ted.com/talks/jamie_oliver.html

by: ckgmail

02-14-2010 @ 7:46pm

We will probably never eliminate childhood obesity just as we will never eliminate smoking or other unhealthy habits and/or addictions. But smoking has been dramatically reduced through a combination of public education and restricting advertising.

Certainly personal responsibility plays a huge role, but getting people to accept personal responsibility is an ongoing task, and will not be accomplished overnight.

I think its a shame that school systems have vending machines for candy and soft drinks in their schools. The imagined profits from those machines are a form of tax on the parents who provide the money to feed the machines. (Like money from gambling is a "stupid tax" on gamblers.)

I applaud the first lady in taking on this issue, and in having a vegetable garden on WH grounds as a symbolic support for good nutrition.

by: ckgmail

02-14-2010 @ 7:34pm

Ross Perot--remember him?--advocated years ago that the best thing Texas schools could do would be to deemphasize interscholastic sports. Of course Shazam is right about the chances of that happening, especially in Texas. Interscholastic sports emphasize the win-lose mentality. We need win-win, and all too often win-lose morphs into lose-lose.

by: Camp

08-01-2011 @ 4:28pm

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by: 1jsm5

02-14-2010 @ 7:09pm

Consumerism (including food consumerism) is what happens when we take advertising seriously or subconsciously. Placing the blame on merchants who may only want to get their product in your consideration isn't enough to merit regulation--except for children, who cannot make mature decisions. After all we regulate advertising cigarettes designed to recruit adolescents.

As for the economic fallout--industries which cannot adapt to new needs--hey, that's what capitalism is all about--accepting some failures to permit greater successes.

Begin with educating young people to understand and regulate for themselves the torrent of advertising they will face in a lifetime.

by: ShazamMan

02-12-2010 @ 5:44pm

During the last several years of my time as a public high school teacher,we had vending machines in the school. Though teachers
asked for them to be removed, the principal said that the machines
were generating more profit for the school in one year's time than the school board was giving him to run the building. Speaking of schools,
a suggestion I might make (though it has a snowball's chance in Hades of ever being adopted) is to de-emphasize interscholastic team sports, in which only the elite can participate, and instead -- or in addition -- institute an intramural program (beyond just required P.E. classes) in which all able-bodied kids could join. Not an ideal
solution, by any means, but better than what we have now.

by: arachne646

02-12-2010 @ 3:27pm

Childhood obesity is directly related to low family income. But the huge difference in the number of fast food places in the inner city and grocery stores with fresh fruit and vegetables in suburban communities is not the story of childhood obesity. TV ads designed to make us feel hungry now, sugar-water that promises to make us athletes, neighborhoods that aren't safe for children to play in, and fast food that's all we have time for. We don't have any more violence against children than we did in the 1960's or 1970's, but parents are told not to let their children play out of their sight until they're teenagers. The culture of fear that is promoted by TV and other media to excite the audience has parents afraid to let children play naturally. And the "common sense" knowledge about dieting that has been tested scientifically is not so clear, especially in the long run. It is a complicated question--but so urgent that each of us has a role we are responsible for.

by: whatreallyhappened

11-23-2010 @ 7:35am

It would be interesting for people that did not know this, but the author's father was extremely obese, was driven everywhere, never performed any manual labor, and ate large amounts of "special" food when he did eat. His poor health I'm sure was a direct result of this excessive living.

by: Patricia

02-10-2010 @ 1:41pm

I think there is also the conflict between making the choices you described above and "supporting the economy." If everyone cut back on fast food, what would happen to that industry? And the low-wage jobs in that industry? If everyone bought healthy, non-processed food, what would happen to that industry? And those jobs? If everyone decided to drive less, what would happen to the oil industry? And the jobs associated? Cutting out junk snack foods? same thing.

If everyone developed the amount of self-discipline and self-control needed to actually impact the obesity (childhood and adult) problem, there are entire sectors of our economy that would go under.

I think an unfortunate fact we have continue to avoid to grapple with is that much of our economy is built upon constant, large-scale consumption of everything from twinkies to televisions, to mobile phones, to computers, to cars, to whatever. If we don't continue to consume, we are toast.

If we really intend to develop the capacity to control ourselves, become healthier and be better stewards of the world's resources, we are going to have to really move away from consumerism and truly fashion an entirely new basis for our economy.

The tension between the call of Christianity and the siren song of consumerism is real, and, in our nation, consumerism is winning, and we've built our economic house of cards upon that consuming foundation.

by: MouseHouse

02-10-2010 @ 1:51pm

Agree with everything- except it's not how many meals you eat, it's how much you eat. From a purely nutritional perspective, three square meals a day goes a longer way than two- it's often recommended to those looking to lose weight that several small meals throughout the day helps-- too much time in between meals can have the unintended effect of decreasing metabolism. I don't think people need to deprive themselves- I would not send my kids to school hungry. It's all about balance and not living a life of excess.

by: prk

02-10-2010 @ 2:08pm

My two boys are healthy and play lots of sports. Even with all that is said we still live longer than at any time since the days of Noah.

One thing not mentioned above is how many of the fat kids are from homes that are getting assistance from the goverment. Perhaps when it is free people consume more.

by: SamHamilton

02-10-2010 @ 2:33pm

Agreed. It's not about the number of meals; it's about the quantity and quality of food. And it's also about where that food is consumed. The more times we eat food prepared outside our homes, whether it's a restaurant, cafeteria or pre-packaged/prepared food from the store, the more food we're going to end up eating and the less healthy it's probably going to be.

One other thing to consider, which is a point Michael Pollen makes in his books, is that we should eat less meat. We'll save money and plants don't strain the environment as much as meat production does.

by: Patricia

02-10-2010 @ 2:37pm

No - when trying to feed a family on an extremely limited budget, like Food Stamps, one quickly discovers the food one can afford is the highest calorie, highest fat, most highly processed, lowest nutritional value food out there.

Try it sometime - perhaps if you have to exist on the people who are getting it "free" exist on, you'll have a little more compassion and become a little less judgmental-sounding.

by: squeaky

02-10-2010 @ 2:43pm

Actually, I think they would change. Fast food would emphasize healthier choices, maybe even obtaining food from local sources if that was what their consumers said they needed to do to survive. Oil industries are looking to other sources of energy to develop (or at least they better be, as they more than anyone recognize the writing on the wall).

The overall point that our nation being built on consumerism is well-taken, though. And we do need to find a much more sustainable economic model than "consume until you pop."

by: fundamentalist

02-10-2010 @ 2:52pm

That would be a problem only in the short run. If consumers switched to healthier foods, new jobs would be created in the companies that supply healthier foods.

If people consume less now, future generations will consume more. The reason is that less consumption means greater savings. Businesses borrow those savings and invest in better equipment and new plants. The new equipment and plants produce more consumer goods of the same quality at lower prices. In the end, consumers can consume more for the same amount of money spent. This same process is how we have reduced poverty in this country to historical lows, and how much of the rest of the world, such as China, have dramatically reduced poverty.

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by: fundamentalist

02-10-2010 @ 2:55pm

We form our eating habits at very young ages and Americans tend to prefer fat babies and toddlers. Most Chinese immigrants that I have met are appalled at the amount of sweets that Americans eat. Chinese tend to eat fruit for sweets. Those habits are established before kids attend school. Once set, they are very difficult to break.

by: squeaky

02-10-2010 @ 2:59pm

So you are basically saying only poor people are fat. Look around you. That's all it takes to know that is not at all the case. I know plenty of people who would be considered morbidly obese, and all of them have jobs.

If you perhaps live in a part of the country where people are more health-conscious, such as the Pacific Northwest, then I would suggest taking a trip outside your bubble of health. It is not like that all over the nation. I used to live in a state data showed was one of the fattest in the nation, and whenever I would leave to visit friends and family in MN, WA, and ME, upon my return I was always shocked at the rate of obesity in that state. And even my last trip to WA, I saw a much higher incidence of obesity among the people there--so even the outliers of health in this nation are starting to be affected.

As for living longer than any time since Noah, that is true. However, with all the projections of longer life spans, if the obesity rate continues to inflate, we will more likely see those life spans decreasing. If people do manage to live longer, the costs of keeping them alive will be much higher as they will likely have diabetes, heart disease, and other obesity-related health issues. This means health care costs will only continue to skyrocket.

by: MouseHouse

02-10-2010 @ 3:15pm

Sadly, the cheapest, most convenient and most easily available food- if you are on a budget and in a rush- is also often the most unhealthy. Anyone who's been a broke college student can probably attest to that. Sure, it's not an excuse- we have to make the effort to be responsible and make healthier choices- but we also need to recognise and understand why they easier option for many, many people who need to pick their battles, is to throw healthier eating under the bus.

by: Patricia

02-10-2010 @ 3:25pm

Yes, fundamentalist, I know - clean, bright, sunshiny, pure-hearted, non-regulated, un-encumbered capitalism is the solution to all the world's ills...:).

by: Patricia

02-10-2010 @ 3:29pm

If that happened, costs would increase because a certain scale of production source is needed to produce at a low enough cost to make a profit, and so prices would also increase. Kind of like how it's great that some farmer's markets are beginning to accept food stamps, but when the choice is a $4 bunch of radishes or a giant loaf of processed white bread, most people are going to opt for the bread.

by: WaveTossed

02-10-2010 @ 4:26pm

One huge problem is that people, especially women, but also some men, become obsessed with body-size. This obsession is beginning earlier and earlier in childhood. Putting children on diets, emphasizing "will power" to stay on restricted diets almost always leads to bingeing at the end, with even more weight gain. Of course the huge Diet Industry gains even more profits in this way.

American obsession with body size also leads to many eating disorders: anorexia, bullimia, and binge-eating disorder.

For more information on eating disorders -- and our obsession with body size -- here is a great link:

http://www.bulimia.com/

Despite its name, this link deals with all eating disorders and obsessions with diet and body size.

by: fundamentalist

02-10-2010 @ 4:40pm

You create a straw man. Mankind will still be sinful and commit all kinds of crime. All I was pointing out was that less consumerism will not harm the economy in the longer run and in fact will improve it as well as reduce poverty. Mainstream econ worships consumerism. I follow a school of economics called Austrian which emphasizes savings as the path to alleviating poverty, no consumer spending.

by: prk

02-10-2010 @ 5:17pm

Maybe food stamps should be done like medicaid prescription are done. We will tell the suppliers what we will pay for and how much we will pay. i.e.We will only pay $2.50 for a gallon of milk.

by: Ngchen

02-10-2010 @ 5:18pm

As someone from said background, I can testify to that. Dessert in the US tend to contain much more sugar than dessert in China. Of course, sometimes maybe the healthiest thing to do is skipping dessert all together.

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by: Ngchen

02-10-2010 @ 5:33pm

In terms of solutions, I would like to propose two of them.

First, end the subsidies on corn. I have yet to hear of a legitimate reason why said subsidies exist. Take the money, and use it partially to subsidize vegetables instead, and give a subsidy to inner-city grocers to stock fresh fruits and vegetables.

Second, have a nationwide push for complete streets, at least in urban areas. Currently in many areas riding in a car is de facto necessary to go anywhere and everywhere. Not only is such unhealthy, but it's a huge drain on the economy and environment in terms of fuel consumed, air quality, costs of vehicles, etc. etc. Build sidewalks and bike lanes on heavily traveled roads. The money spent will be indirectly recouped from healthier (and hence more productive) populations and less money spent on transportation.

I hear that obesity costs about $140 billion a year directly and indirectly in health-care costs. If a modest 10% reduction can be obtained, then it would be worth $14 billion/yr. Assuming a pricey $0.5 million/mi for complete streets, we would be able to build 28,000 mi of complete streets. Split among the largest 100 urban areas, we'd have near Portland,OR (currently one of the best) levels of facilities in every large urban area in a year!

(Of course, I've been told that the 10% reduction may well be exaggerated - if the number is like 1%, then things look much worse but is still far from hopeless.) That being said, yes personal responsibility is a huge thing that yes, often has been left out.

by: Patricia

02-10-2010 @ 6:59pm

OR, food stamps could be done like the WIC program, where instead of receiving a set amount of cash, families receive coupons for a set amount of specified FOODS, and stores would honor food stamps in the same way that they widely accept WIC.

Good idea!

by: SamHamilton

02-10-2010 @ 7:30pm

A couple people have made the decent point here that some of the cheapest foods at the store are also the most unhealthy (e.g. Cup O' Noodles, frozen processed junk). This is true. The implication is that someone on a limited budget must therefore purchase this food. They don't have to though. It is completely untrue that in order to eat healthily you have to spend a lot of money or or even more money than you would have on unhealthy food.

Staples like rice, beans, pasta, good bread, potatoes and other root vegetables, greens, eggs, cheese, frozen veggies, etc can all be bought relatively inexpensively. The questions here though are: is the person purchasing this food willing to put the time into cooking them and are they readily available for purchase (i.e. you can't this stuff cheaply at a 7-11)?

by: Patricia

02-10-2010 @ 7:36pm

No, I'm just teasing you a little and hoping to avoid another economics lecture featuring Hayek and the Salamanca school :).

by: squeaky

02-10-2010 @ 8:30pm

Salma Hayek?

by: SisterMarie

02-10-2010 @ 11:24pm

"One thing not mentioned above is how many of the fat kids are from homes that are getting assistance from the goverment. Perhaps when it is free people consume more."

You made a general statement without offering any evidence for your supposition. I was a teenager in the 1950s and I stood in line to receive what was then referred to as "commodities" (surplus food that the government purchased from farmers to keep the prices up). We were issued cornbread, beans, flour, and other staples (no meat), and those items helped my family (mom, dad, and 7 children) through some very difficult years. We did not go hungry, but we also did not get fat from the assistance we received "from the government." When I reached around to scratch my back, my backbone stuck out like a chicken wing.

by: Brent Hardaway

02-11-2010 @ 12:57am

Not necessarily so. Noodles, beans, rice and vegetables are quite cheap per pound. Fruits and low fat meats, not so much. But if you really wanted to eat healthy on a low budget, you could.

I don't think it's judgmental to say that the poor, generally speaking, choose to not take care of themselves as the rest of the population.

by: Brent Hardaway

02-11-2010 @ 1:00am

"So you are basically saying only poor people are fat. Look around you. That's all it takes to know that is not at all the case. I know plenty of people who would be considered morbidly obese, and all of them have jobs."

No, Squeaky, that's not at all what he said. He just said that there are numerous kids from poor families that are fat. The lower classes are more likely to be overweight. The statistical and anecdotal evidence for this is overwhelming.

Yes, there are rich fat people. But the upper classes are more likely to be fit.

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08-11-2011 @ 7:29pm

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by: squeaky

02-11-2010 @ 3:34am

Brent,

That's also not what he is saying. Read this again:

"One thing not mentioned above is how many of the fat kids are from homes that are getting assistance from the goverment. "

Emphasis on "assistance from the government." In other words, he is not just saying they are fat because they are poor, he is saying they are fat because they receive government assistance. He follows that with:

"Perhaps when it is free people consume more."

As if to say the only reason anyone would eat too much is because the food is free. Do you really think that is true?

As you can read from other posts on the topic here, the reasons for obesity amongst the poor are far more complex than that they are on government assistance. Maybe the upper classes are more likely to be fit, but I really don't see that great a difference from my own observations. To dismiss this as a problem only among the poor, which prk seems to be doing, is to ignore major health problems and costs that we will face in the very near future.

by: squeaky

02-11-2010 @ 3:40am

"choose to" carries some strong implications. One of the luxuries of the affluent, or even middle class, is time. If you don't have a lot of time because you are working several jobs to make ends meet to support a family on a meager income, you don't have a lot of time to "choose" a healthy lifestyle.

by: fundamentalist

02-11-2010 @ 11:57am

She's far more interesting.

by: NC77

02-11-2010 @ 12:18pm

I recently heard a report on TV that not eating after 7:00 p.m. is also beneficial and it gives the liver a break and a chance to renew itseld while sleeping, which is how it is supposed to work. This is of course if one has a "normal" 1st shift work schedule. Peoplle who work other types of hours would have to adjust so they do not eat say three to four hours before going to bed.

There is a lovely young woman I occasionally chat with at the grocery store I frequent the most who has lost some weight recently. I asked her how she did it and she said, "I don't eat anything after 7:00 p.m." Apparently it works for her.

Requring children not eat junk before they go to bed would probably help tremendously in the fight against obesity.

by: Patricia

02-11-2010 @ 1:38pm

Ahhh...something we can agree on :).

by: JoelleHart

02-16-2010 @ 1:52am

I appreciate the commenters who are emphasizing cheap, healthful staples, and eating lower on the food chain. I feel uncomfortable with the way the article concentrates solely on the number of meals eaten, and seems to imply that eating more than once a day is self-indulgent and morally weak.

I was in a church that emphasized fasting as a spiritual discipline, with the same implication that I am getting from this article -- if you ate when you were hungry, you were unspiritual and and had to discipline your sinful flesh. Skipping meals made me obsessed with food, which led me to feel more sinful and feel more need to fast -- I was 102 lbs (at 5'6") when I was finally told to stop (by a doctor, not by the church).

I know that is not the intention here -- the culture of excess in America is ridiculous, and needs reform. But surely there could have been more dimension here -- demonizing the act of eating itself is one-sided and can be dangerous for some people.

by: whatreallyhappened

11-23-2010 @ 7:35am

It would be interesting for people that did not know this, but the author's father was extremely obese, was driven everywhere, never performed any manual labor, and ate large amounts of "special" food when he did eat. His poor health I'm sure was a direct result of this excessive living.

by: Patricia

02-10-2010 @ 1:41pm

I think there is also the conflict between making the choices you described above and "supporting the economy." If everyone cut back on fast food, what would happen to that industry? And the low-wage jobs in that industry? If everyone bought healthy, non-processed food, what would happen to that industry? And those jobs? If everyone decided to drive less, what would happen to the oil industry? And the jobs associated? Cutting out junk snack foods? same thing.

If everyone developed the amount of self-discipline and self-control needed to actually impact the obesity (childhood and adult) problem, there are entire sectors of our economy that would go under.

I think an unfortunate fact we have continue to avoid to grapple with is that much of our economy is built upon constant, large-scale consumption of everything from twinkies to televisions, to mobile phones, to computers, to cars, to whatever. If we don't continue to consume, we are toast.

If we really intend to develop the capacity to control ourselves, become healthier and be better stewards of the world's resources, we are going to have to really move away from consumerism and truly fashion an entirely new basis for our economy.

The tension between the call of Christianity and the siren song of consumerism is real, and, in our nation, consumerism is winning, and we've built our economic house of cards upon that consuming foundation.

by: Jenny Graham

03-22-2011 @ 7:54am

For this thing we need to raise the revolution.Childhood obesity is the problem which can be solved by proper effort by the society.We all have to create awareness about it.

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by: MouseHouse

02-10-2010 @ 1:51pm

Agree with everything- except it's not how many meals you eat, it's how much you eat. From a purely nutritional perspective, three square meals a day goes a longer way than two- it's often recommended to those looking to lose weight that several small meals throughout the day helps-- too much time in between meals can have the unintended effect of decreasing metabolism. I don't think people need to deprive themselves- I would not send my kids to school hungry. It's all about balance and not living a life of excess.

by: prk

02-10-2010 @ 2:08pm

My two boys are healthy and play lots of sports. Even with all that is said we still live longer than at any time since the days of Noah.

One thing not mentioned above is how many of the fat kids are from homes that are getting assistance from the goverment. Perhaps when it is free people consume more.

by: SamHamilton

02-10-2010 @ 2:33pm

Agreed. It's not about the number of meals; it's about the quantity and quality of food. And it's also about where that food is consumed. The more times we eat food prepared outside our homes, whether it's a restaurant, cafeteria or pre-packaged/prepared food from the store, the more food we're going to end up eating and the less healthy it's probably going to be.

One other thing to consider, which is a point Michael Pollen makes in his books, is that we should eat less meat. We'll save money and plants don't strain the environment as much as meat production does.

by: PASTOR JEFF

02-11-2010 @ 7:53pm

I think that is in the next round of the stimulus plan.

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by: Patricia

02-10-2010 @ 1:41pm

I think there is also the conflict between making the choices you described above and "supporting the economy." If everyone cut back on fast food, what would happen to that industry? And the low-wage jobs in that industry? If everyone bought healthy, non-processed food, what would happen to that industry? And those jobs? If everyone decided to drive less, what would happen to the oil industry? And the jobs associated? Cutting out junk snack foods? same thing.

If everyone developed the amount of self-discipline and self-control needed to actually impact the obesity (childhood and adult) problem, there are entire sectors of our economy that would go under.

I think an unfortunate fact we have continue to avoid to grapple with is that much of our economy is built upon constant, large-scale consumption of everything from twinkies to televisions, to mobile phones, to computers, to cars, to whatever. If we don't continue to consume, we are toast.

If we really intend to develop the capacity to control ourselves, become healthier and be better stewards of the world's resources, we are going to have to really move away from consumerism and truly fashion an entirely new basis for our economy.

The tension between the call of Christianity and the siren song of consumerism is real, and, in our nation, consumerism is winning, and we've built our economic house of cards upon that consuming foundation.

by: Patricia

02-10-2010 @ 1:41pm

I think there is also the conflict between making the choices you described above and "supporting the economy." If everyone cut back on fast food, what would happen to that industry? And the low-wage jobs in that industry? If everyone bought healthy, non-processed food, what would happen to that industry? And those jobs? If everyone decided to drive less, what would happen to the oil industry? And the jobs associated? Cutting out junk snack foods? same thing.

If everyone developed the amount of self-discipline and self-control needed to actually impact the obesity (childhood and adult) problem, there are entire sectors of our economy that would go under.

I think an unfortunate fact we have continue to avoid to grapple with is that much of our economy is built upon constant, large-scale consumption of everything from twinkies to televisions, to mobile phones, to computers, to cars, to whatever. If we don't continue to consume, we are toast.

If we really intend to develop the capacity to control ourselves, become healthier and be better stewards of the world's resources, we are going to have to really move away from consumerism and truly fashion an entirely new basis for our economy.

The tension between the call of Christianity and the siren song of consumerism is real, and, in our nation, consumerism is winning, and we've built our economic house of cards upon that consuming foundation.

by: MouseHouse

02-10-2010 @ 1:51pm

Agree with everything- except it's not how many meals you eat, it's how much you eat. From a purely nutritional perspective, three square meals a day goes a longer way than two- it's often recommended to those looking to lose weight that several small meals throughout the day helps-- too much time in between meals can have the unintended effect of decreasing metabolism. I don't think people need to deprive themselves- I would not send my kids to school hungry. It's all about balance and not living a life of excess.

by: MouseHouse

02-10-2010 @ 1:51pm

Agree with everything- except it's not how many meals you eat, it's how much you eat. From a purely nutritional perspective, three square meals a day goes a longer way than two- it's often recommended to those looking to lose weight that several small meals throughout the day helps-- too much time in between meals can have the unintended effect of decreasing metabolism. I don't think people need to deprive themselves- I would not send my kids to school hungry. It's all about balance and not living a life of excess.

by: prk

02-10-2010 @ 2:08pm

My two boys are healthy and play lots of sports. Even with all that is said we still live longer than at any time since the days of Noah.

One thing not mentioned above is how many of the fat kids are from homes that are getting assistance from the goverment. Perhaps when it is free people consume more.

by: prk

02-10-2010 @ 2:08pm

My two boys are healthy and play lots of sports. Even with all that is said we still live longer than at any time since the days of Noah.

One thing not mentioned above is how many of the fat kids are from homes that are getting assistance from the goverment. Perhaps when it is free people consume more.

by: SamHamilton

02-10-2010 @ 2:33pm

Agreed. It's not about the number of meals; it's about the quantity and quality of food. And it's also about where that food is consumed. The more times we eat food prepared outside our homes, whether it's a restaurant, cafeteria or pre-packaged/prepared food from the store, the more food we're going to end up eating and the less healthy it's probably going to be.

One other thing to consider, which is a point Michael Pollen makes in his books, is that we should eat less meat. We'll save money and plants don't strain the environment as much as meat production does.

by: SamHamilton

02-10-2010 @ 2:33pm

Agreed. It's not about the number of meals; it's about the quantity and quality of food. And it's also about where that food is consumed. The more times we eat food prepared outside our homes, whether it's a restaurant, cafeteria or pre-packaged/prepared food from the store, the more food we're going to end up eating and the less healthy it's probably going to be.

One other thing to consider, which is a point Michael Pollen makes in his books, is that we should eat less meat. We'll save money and plants don't strain the environment as much as meat production does.

by: Patricia

02-10-2010 @ 2:37pm

No - when trying to feed a family on an extremely limited budget, like Food Stamps, one quickly discovers the food one can afford is the highest calorie, highest fat, most highly processed, lowest nutritional value food out there.

Try it sometime - perhaps if you have to exist on the people who are getting it "free" exist on, you'll have a little more compassion and become a little less judgmental-sounding.

by: Patricia

02-10-2010 @ 2:37pm

No - when trying to feed a family on an extremely limited budget, like Food Stamps, one quickly discovers the food one can afford is the highest calorie, highest fat, most highly processed, lowest nutritional value food out there.

Try it sometime - perhaps if you have to exist on the people who are getting it "free" exist on, you'll have a little more compassion and become a little less judgmental-sounding.

by: squeaky

02-10-2010 @ 2:43pm

Actually, I think they would change. Fast food would emphasize healthier choices, maybe even obtaining food from local sources if that was what their consumers said they needed to do to survive. Oil industries are looking to other sources of energy to develop (or at least they better be, as they more than anyone recognize the writing on the wall).

The overall point that our nation being built on consumerism is well-taken, though. And we do need to find a much more sustainable economic model than "consume until you pop."

by: squeaky

02-10-2010 @ 2:43pm

Actually, I think they would change. Fast food would emphasize healthier choices, maybe even obtaining food from local sources if that was what their consumers said they needed to do to survive. Oil industries are looking to other sources of energy to develop (or at least they better be, as they more than anyone recognize the writing on the wall).

The overall point that our nation being built on consumerism is well-taken, though. And we do need to find a much more sustainable economic model than "consume until you pop."

by: fundamentalist

02-10-2010 @ 2:52pm

That would be a problem only in the short run. If consumers switched to healthier foods, new jobs would be created in the companies that supply healthier foods.

If people consume less now, future generations will consume more. The reason is that less consumption means greater savings. Businesses borrow those savings and invest in better equipment and new plants. The new equipment and plants produce more consumer goods of the same quality at lower prices. In the end, consumers can consume more for the same amount of money spent. This same process is how we have reduced poverty in this country to historical lows, and how much of the rest of the world, such as China, have dramatically reduced poverty.

by: fundamentalist

02-10-2010 @ 2:52pm

That would be a problem only in the short run. If consumers switched to healthier foods, new jobs would be created in the companies that supply healthier foods.

If people consume less now, future generations will consume more. The reason is that less consumption means greater savings. Businesses borrow those savings and invest in better equipment and new plants. The new equipment and plants produce more consumer goods of the same quality at lower prices. In the end, consumers can consume more for the same amount of money spent. This same process is how we have reduced poverty in this country to historical lows, and how much of the rest of the world, such as China, have dramatically reduced poverty.

by: fundamentalist

02-10-2010 @ 2:55pm

We form our eating habits at very young ages and Americans tend to prefer fat babies and toddlers. Most Chinese immigrants that I have met are appalled at the amount of sweets that Americans eat. Chinese tend to eat fruit for sweets. Those habits are established before kids attend school. Once set, they are very difficult to break.

by: fundamentalist

02-10-2010 @ 2:55pm

We form our eating habits at very young ages and Americans tend to prefer fat babies and toddlers. Most Chinese immigrants that I have met are appalled at the amount of sweets that Americans eat. Chinese tend to eat fruit for sweets. Those habits are established before kids attend school. Once set, they are very difficult to break.

by: squeaky

02-10-2010 @ 2:59pm

So you are basically saying only poor people are fat. Look around you. That's all it takes to know that is not at all the case. I know plenty of people who would be considered morbidly obese, and all of them have jobs.

If you perhaps live in a part of the country where people are more health-conscious, such as the Pacific Northwest, then I would suggest taking a trip outside your bubble of health. It is not like that all over the nation. I used to live in a state data showed was one of the fattest in the nation, and whenever I would leave to visit friends and family in MN, WA, and ME, upon my return I was always shocked at the rate of obesity in that state. And even my last trip to WA, I saw a much higher incidence of obesity among the people there--so even the outliers of health in this nation are starting to be affected.

As for living longer than any time since Noah, that is true. However, with all the projections of longer life spans, if the obesity rate continues to inflate, we will more likely see those life spans decreasing. If people do manage to live longer, the costs of keeping them alive will be much higher as they will likely have diabetes, heart disease, and other obesity-related health issues. This means health care costs will only continue to skyrocket.

by: squeaky

02-10-2010 @ 2:59pm

So you are basically saying only poor people are fat. Look around you. That's all it takes to know that is not at all the case. I know plenty of people who would be considered morbidly obese, and all of them have jobs.

If you perhaps live in a part of the country where people are more health-conscious, such as the Pacific Northwest, then I would suggest taking a trip outside your bubble of health. It is not like that all over the nation. I used to live in a state data showed was one of the fattest in the nation, and whenever I would leave to visit friends and family in MN, WA, and ME, upon my return I was always shocked at the rate of obesity in that state. And even my last trip to WA, I saw a much higher incidence of obesity among the people there--so even the outliers of health in this nation are starting to be affected.

As for living longer than any time since Noah, that is true. However, with all the projections of longer life spans, if the obesity rate continues to inflate, we will more likely see those life spans decreasing. If people do manage to live longer, the costs of keeping them alive will be much higher as they will likely have diabetes, heart disease, and other obesity-related health issues. This means health care costs will only continue to skyrocket.

by: MouseHouse

02-10-2010 @ 3:15pm

Sadly, the cheapest, most convenient and most easily available food- if you are on a budget and in a rush- is also often the most unhealthy. Anyone who's been a broke college student can probably attest to that. Sure, it's not an excuse- we have to make the effort to be responsible and make healthier choices- but we also need to recognise and understand why they easier option for many, many people who need to pick their battles, is to throw healthier eating under the bus.

by: MouseHouse

02-10-2010 @ 3:15pm

Sadly, the cheapest, most convenient and most easily available food- if you are on a budget and in a rush- is also often the most unhealthy. Anyone who's been a broke college student can probably attest to that. Sure, it's not an excuse- we have to make the effort to be responsible and make healthier choices- but we also need to recognise and understand why they easier option for many, many people who need to pick their battles, is to throw healthier eating under the bus.

by: Patricia

02-10-2010 @ 3:25pm

Yes, fundamentalist, I know - clean, bright, sunshiny, pure-hearted, non-regulated, un-encumbered capitalism is the solution to all the world's ills...:).

by: Patricia

02-10-2010 @ 3:25pm

Yes, fundamentalist, I know - clean, bright, sunshiny, pure-hearted, non-regulated, un-encumbered capitalism is the solution to all the world's ills...:).

by: Patricia

02-10-2010 @ 3:29pm

If that happened, costs would increase because a certain scale of production source is needed to produce at a low enough cost to make a profit, and so prices would also increase. Kind of like how it's great that some farmer's markets are beginning to accept food stamps, but when the choice is a $4 bunch of radishes or a giant loaf of processed white bread, most people are going to opt for the bread.

by: Patricia

02-10-2010 @ 3:29pm

If that happened, costs would increase because a certain scale of production source is needed to produce at a low enough cost to make a profit, and so prices would also increase. Kind of like how it's great that some farmer's markets are beginning to accept food stamps, but when the choice is a $4 bunch of radishes or a giant loaf of processed white bread, most people are going to opt for the bread.

by: WaveTossed

02-10-2010 @ 4:26pm

One huge problem is that people, especially women, but also some men, become obsessed with body-size. This obsession is beginning earlier and earlier in childhood. Putting children on diets, emphasizing "will power" to stay on restricted diets almost always leads to bingeing at the end, with even more weight gain. Of course the huge Diet Industry gains even more profits in this way.

American obsession with body size also leads to many eating disorders: anorexia, bullimia, and binge-eating disorder.

For more information on eating disorders -- and our obsession with body size -- here is a great link:

http://www.bulimia.com/

Despite its name, this link deals with all eating disorders and obsessions with diet and body size.

by: WaveTossed

02-10-2010 @ 4:26pm

One huge problem is that people, especially women, but also some men, become obsessed with body-size. This obsession is beginning earlier and earlier in childhood. Putting children on diets, emphasizing "will power" to stay on restricted diets almost always leads to bingeing at the end, with even more weight gain. Of course the huge Diet Industry gains even more profits in this way.

American obsession with body size also leads to many eating disorders: anorexia, bullimia, and binge-eating disorder.

For more information on eating disorders -- and our obsession with body size -- here is a great link:

http://www.bulimia.com/

Despite its name, this link deals with all eating disorders and obsessions with diet and body size.

by: fundamentalist

02-10-2010 @ 4:40pm

You create a straw man. Mankind will still be sinful and commit all kinds of crime. All I was pointing out was that less consumerism will not harm the economy in the longer run and in fact will improve it as well as reduce poverty. Mainstream econ worships consumerism. I follow a school of economics called Austrian which emphasizes savings as the path to alleviating poverty, no consumer spending.

by: fundamentalist

02-10-2010 @ 4:40pm

You create a straw man. Mankind will still be sinful and commit all kinds of crime. All I was pointing out was that less consumerism will not harm the economy in the longer run and in fact will improve it as well as reduce poverty. Mainstream econ worships consumerism. I follow a school of economics called Austrian which emphasizes savings as the path to alleviating poverty, no consumer spending.

by: prk

02-10-2010 @ 5:17pm

Maybe food stamps should be done like medicaid prescription are done. We will tell the suppliers what we will pay for and how much we will pay. i.e.We will only pay $2.50 for a gallon of milk.

by: prk

02-10-2010 @ 5:17pm

Maybe food stamps should be done like medicaid prescription are done. We will tell the suppliers what we will pay for and how much we will pay. i.e.We will only pay $2.50 for a gallon of milk.

by: Ngchen

02-10-2010 @ 5:18pm

As someone from said background, I can testify to that. Dessert in the US tend to contain much more sugar than dessert in China. Of course, sometimes maybe the healthiest thing to do is skipping dessert all together.

by: Ngchen

02-10-2010 @ 5:18pm

As someone from said background, I can testify to that. Dessert in the US tend to contain much more sugar than dessert in China. Of course, sometimes maybe the healthiest thing to do is skipping dessert all together.

by: Ngchen

02-10-2010 @ 5:33pm

In terms of solutions, I would like to propose two of them.

First, end the subsidies on corn. I have yet to hear of a legitimate reason why said subsidies exist. Take the money, and use it partially to subsidize vegetables instead, and give a subsidy to inner-city grocers to stock fresh fruits and vegetables.

Second, have a nationwide push for complete streets, at least in urban areas. Currently in many areas riding in a car is de facto necessary to go anywhere and everywhere. Not only is such unhealthy, but it's a huge drain on the economy and environment in terms of fuel consumed, air quality, costs of vehicles, etc. etc. Build sidewalks and bike lanes on heavily traveled roads. The money spent will be indirectly recouped from healthier (and hence more productive) populations and less money spent on transportation.

I hear that obesity costs about $140 billion a year directly and indirectly in health-care costs. If a modest 10% reduction can be obtained, then it would be worth $14 billion/yr. Assuming a pricey $0.5 million/mi for complete streets, we would be able to build 28,000 mi of complete streets. Split among the largest 100 urban areas, we'd have near Portland,OR (currently one of the best) levels of facilities in every large urban area in a year!

(Of course, I've been told that the 10% reduction may well be exaggerated - if the number is like 1%, then things look much worse but is still far from hopeless.) That being said, yes personal responsibility is a huge thing that yes, often has been left out.

by: Ngchen

02-10-2010 @ 5:33pm

In terms of solutions, I would like to propose two of them.

First, end the subsidies on corn. I have yet to hear of a legitimate reason why said subsidies exist. Take the money, and use it partially to subsidize vegetables instead, and give a subsidy to inner-city grocers to stock fresh fruits and vegetables.

Second, have a nationwide push for complete streets, at least in urban areas. Currently in many areas riding in a car is de facto necessary to go anywhere and everywhere. Not only is such unhealthy, but it's a huge drain on the economy and environment in terms of fuel consumed, air quality, costs of vehicles, etc. etc. Build sidewalks and bike lanes on heavily traveled roads. The money spent will be indirectly recouped from healthier (and hence more productive) populations and less money spent on transportation.

I hear that obesity costs about $140 billion a year directly and indirectly in health-care costs. If a modest 10% reduction can be obtained, then it would be worth $14 billion/yr. Assuming a pricey $0.5 million/mi for complete streets, we would be able to build 28,000 mi of complete streets. Split among the largest 100 urban areas, we'd have near Portland,OR (currently one of the best) levels of facilities in every large urban area in a year!

(Of course, I've been told that the 10% reduction may well be exaggerated - if the number is like 1%, then things look much worse but is still far from hopeless.) That being said, yes personal responsibility is a huge thing that yes, often has been left out.

by: Patricia

02-10-2010 @ 6:59pm

OR, food stamps could be done like the WIC program, where instead of receiving a set amount of cash, families receive coupons for a set amount of specified FOODS, and stores would honor food stamps in the same way that they widely accept WIC.

Good idea!

by: Patricia

02-10-2010 @ 6:59pm

OR, food stamps could be done like the WIC program, where instead of receiving a set amount of cash, families receive coupons for a set amount of specified FOODS, and stores would honor food stamps in the same way that they widely accept WIC.

Good idea!

by: SamHamilton

02-10-2010 @ 7:30pm

A couple people have made the decent point here that some of the cheapest foods at the store are also the most unhealthy (e.g. Cup O' Noodles, frozen processed junk). This is true. The implication is that someone on a limited budget must therefore purchase this food. They don't have to though. It is completely untrue that in order to eat healthily you have to spend a lot of money or or even more money than you would have on unhealthy food.

Staples like rice, beans, pasta, good bread, potatoes and other root vegetables, greens, eggs, cheese, frozen veggies, etc can all be bought relatively inexpensively. The questions here though are: is the person purchasing this food willing to put the time into cooking them and are they readily available for purchase (i.e. you can't this stuff cheaply at a 7-11)?

by: SamHamilton

02-10-2010 @ 7:30pm

A couple people have made the decent point here that some of the cheapest foods at the store are also the most unhealthy (e.g. Cup O' Noodles, frozen processed junk). This is true. The implication is that someone on a limited budget must therefore purchase this food. They don't have to though. It is completely untrue that in order to eat healthily you have to spend a lot of money or or even more money than you would have on unhealthy food.

Staples like rice, beans, pasta, good bread, potatoes and other root vegetables, greens, eggs, cheese, frozen veggies, etc can all be bought relatively inexpensively. The questions here though are: is the person purchasing this food willing to put the time into cooking them and are they readily available for purchase (i.e. you can't this stuff cheaply at a 7-11)?

by: Patricia

02-10-2010 @ 7:36pm

No, I'm just teasing you a little and hoping to avoid another economics lecture featuring Hayek and the Salamanca school :).

by: Patricia

02-10-2010 @ 7:36pm

No, I'm just teasing you a little and hoping to avoid another economics lecture featuring Hayek and the Salamanca school :).

by: squeaky

02-10-2010 @ 8:30pm

Salma Hayek?

by: squeaky

02-10-2010 @ 8:30pm

Salma Hayek?

by: SisterMarie

02-10-2010 @ 11:24pm

"One thing not mentioned above is how many of the fat kids are from homes that are getting assistance from the goverment. Perhaps when it is free people consume more."

You made a general statement without offering any evidence for your supposition. I was a teenager in the 1950s and I stood in line to receive what was then referred to as "commodities" (surplus food that the government purchased from farmers to keep the prices up). We were issued cornbread, beans, flour, and other staples (no meat), and those items helped my family (mom, dad, and 7 children) through some very difficult years. We did not go hungry, but we also did not get fat from the assistance we received "from the government." When I reached around to scratch my back, my backbone stuck out like a chicken wing.

by: SisterMarie

02-10-2010 @ 11:24pm

"One thing not mentioned above is how many of the fat kids are from homes that are getting assistance from the goverment. Perhaps when it is free people consume more."

You made a general statement without offering any evidence for your supposition. I was a teenager in the 1950s and I stood in line to receive what was then referred to as "commodities" (surplus food that the government purchased from farmers to keep the prices up). We were issued cornbread, beans, flour, and other staples (no meat), and those items helped my family (mom, dad, and 7 children) through some very difficult years. We did not go hungry, but we also did not get fat from the assistance we received "from the government." When I reached around to scratch my back, my backbone stuck out like a chicken wing.

by: Brent Hardaway

02-11-2010 @ 12:57am

Not necessarily so. Noodles, beans, rice and vegetables are quite cheap per pound. Fruits and low fat meats, not so much. But if you really wanted to eat healthy on a low budget, you could.

I don't think it's judgmental to say that the poor, generally speaking, choose to not take care of themselves as the rest of the population.

by: Brent Hardaway

02-11-2010 @ 12:57am

Not necessarily so. Noodles, beans, rice and vegetables are quite cheap per pound. Fruits and low fat meats, not so much. But if you really wanted to eat healthy on a low budget, you could.

I don't think it's judgmental to say that the poor, generally speaking, choose to not take care of themselves as the rest of the population.

by: Brent Hardaway

02-11-2010 @ 1:00am

"So you are basically saying only poor people are fat. Look around you. That's all it takes to know that is not at all the case. I know plenty of people who would be considered morbidly obese, and all of them have jobs."

No, Squeaky, that's not at all what he said. He just said that there are numerous kids from poor families that are fat. The lower classes are more likely to be overweight. The statistical and anecdotal evidence for this is overwhelming.

Yes, there are rich fat people. But the upper classes are more likely to be fit.

by: Brent Hardaway

02-11-2010 @ 1:00am

"So you are basically saying only poor people are fat. Look around you. That's all it takes to know that is not at all the case. I know plenty of people who would be considered morbidly obese, and all of them have jobs."

No, Squeaky, that's not at all what he said. He just said that there are numerous kids from poor families that are fat. The lower classes are more likely to be overweight. The statistical and anecdotal evidence for this is overwhelming.

Yes, there are rich fat people. But the upper classes are more likely to be fit.

by: squeaky

02-11-2010 @ 3:34am

Brent,

That's also not what he is saying. Read this again:

"One thing not mentioned above is how many of the fat kids are from homes that are getting assistance from the goverment. "

Emphasis on "assistance from the government." In other words, he is not just saying they are fat because they are poor, he is saying they are fat because they receive government assistance. He follows that with:

"Perhaps when it is free people consume more."

As if to say the only reason anyone would eat too much is because the food is free. Do you really think that is true?

As you can read from other posts on the topic here, the reasons for obesity amongst the poor are far more complex than that they are on government assistance. Maybe the upper classes are more likely to be fit, but I really don't see that great a difference from my own observations. To dismiss this as a problem only among the poor, which prk seems to be doing, is to ignore major health problems and costs that we will face in the very near future.

by: squeaky

02-11-2010 @ 3:34am

Brent,

That's also not what he is saying. Read this again:

"One thing not mentioned above is how many of the fat kids are from homes that are getting assistance from the goverment. "

Emphasis on "assistance from the government." In other words, he is not just saying they are fat because they are poor, he is saying they are fat because they receive government assistance. He follows that with:

"Perhaps when it is free people consume more."

As if to say the only reason anyone would eat too much is because the food is free. Do you really think that is true?

As you can read from other posts on the topic here, the reasons for obesity amongst the poor are far more complex than that they are on government assistance. Maybe the upper classes are more likely to be fit, but I really don't see that great a difference from my own observations. To dismiss this as a problem only among the poor, which prk seems to be doing, is to ignore major health problems and costs that we will face in the very near future.