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We Sentence Innocent People to their Deaths

100303-death-penalty-innocentIt is Death Penalty Awareness Week, and supporters of human rights across the country have turned their attention to a uniquely complicated injustice -- the implementation of capital punishment in the United States. I applaud the excellent work being done by communities of faith, student organizations, and concerned citizens around this issue; I am a firm believer that the more education that takes place around the death penalty, the more difficult it becomes to support.

For many reasons the death penalty is an egregious violation of human rights. It is utilized in a manner that is racially discriminatory and targets those who are poor, marginalized, and systematically vulnerable. It instigates cruelty, violence, and suffering in the name of justice. It denies human beings the opportunity for redemption, forgiveness, and healing in an ultimate way.

And we sentence innocent people to their deaths.

Since the 1976 national upholding of capital punishment laws, 139 people have been wrongfully convicted and condemned to execution for a crime they did not commit. That's 139 stories of trauma and torture. They are 139 stories of cruelty and suffering, of human error when the stakes were most critical. That number -- 139 -- represents one innocent person for every eight executions carried out in the U.S.

I work to support these very people through an organization called Witness to Innocence. Witness to Innocence is composed of exonerated death row survivors and their loved ones -- people who've demonstrated more grace, resilience, and tenacity than I knew possible. This organization has dual missions: to provide a peer-support network for the innocent exonerees and their families, as well as to educate the American public about the reality of wrongful convictions at the highest level. For years our witnesses have been sharing their stories with student groups, communities of faith, law-makers, and other audiences across the country. These testimonies have an unprecedented way of transforming people's perspective on the issue of capital punishment. As we like to say, they bring a human face to an issue that most of us would otherwise only consider hypothetically.

Through my connection to Witness to Innocence, I've heard the most extraordinary -- and true -- stories. I've slammed full-speed into the realization that our criminal justice system is nauseatingly cruel and unfair. And yet, every time I want to resign myself to the immense complexity of this problem, I am given a demonstration of hope by the members of Witness to Innocence. Despite what they've been subjected to, these men continue to march forward in the struggle for freedom and justice. Even though it's painful, they continue to speak out about their experiences. Rather than succumbing to the paralysis of bitterness, these men make themselves available to the anti-death penalty community as a uniquely powerful voice for change.

Please visit www.witnesstoinnocence.org to learn more about our partnership with Amnesty International's Death Penalty Awareness Week, and to consider hosting an event in your community with one of our witnesses.

Even after the official week of action comes to a close, may we all continue in the fight for peace, empathy, and justice!

Andrea Woods is a Program Assistant for Witness to Innocence. This post first appeared on the RAC Blog of the Religious Action Center of Reform Judaism.

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by: srjeana

03-04-2010 @ 12:35am

Thanks for all you're doing, Andrea! I'm showing "Dead Man Walking" to my Social Justice classes this week as we wrap up a unit on the Life and Dignity of the Human Person, and the torrent of issues within this issue can be overwhelming sometimes. I'm grateful for the increasing leadership we've had from the U.S. bishops in the past 10 years.

by: PASTOR JEFF

03-04-2010 @ 1:40am

It was also "God's idea" to sentence incorrigible children and Sabbath breakers to death, so?

by: Homer J

03-05-2010 @ 11:29am

I heart sarcasm, especially the ironic kind that ends up being true ;-)

by: homerj1

03-04-2010 @ 1:45am

You're the pastor. What does the Bible say?

If you can't see the distinction between capital punishment for murder
(pre-Israelites) and some Israelite-specific punishments then you
shouldn't masquerade as a pastor.

by: Homer J

03-05-2010 @ 11:26am

Thanks for visiting my blog! Come back often.

I visit here to expose the bad thinking of theological liberals. They
point people straight to Hell and their politics-disguised-as-religion
harms the people they claim to want to help.

The Bible warns us many times of false teachers. Demolishing their
arguments is an act of love. They may not change, but you never know
what middle ground people will read and react to.

I love to give and serve and I encourage others to do so as well. I
just don't petition Caesar to force them to "give."

by: PASTOR JEFF

03-05-2010 @ 11:25am

Sorry to annoy. Thanks for genuine, courageous, truth-bearing rooted in facts that you bring to the table HomerJ. Thanks for the glimpse into your world.

by: justifier1

03-06-2010 @ 12:46am

It is inconsistent to be pro-life and pro-death penalty, and visa versa. The debate is all about when life begins

by: justifier1

03-06-2010 @ 12:44am

You are correct for a change but the worst kin of premeditated murder is by the "state" when they execute. As for deterrence you disagree with virtally all criminologists and police chiefs as well as those who use legitmate data and methodology.

by: scat

03-04-2010 @ 2:57am

Since it was God's idea and we have done such a loousy job at it, I think we should leave it up to Him. If we learn nothing by our failures, then it is that much more shameful.

by: homerj1

03-04-2010 @ 10:21am

Using that logic we'd disobey all his commands.

by: Mihs

03-04-2010 @ 11:18am

Thank you for posting this Ms. Woods. You are right, our imperfect legal system almost guarantees that people will be wrongfully executed. What's more, it's a blessing to be reminded to make room in our hearts for love and forgiveness. We can be so quick to forget (and, in some cases ignore) the call to forgive those who have trespassed against us. Regardless of guilt, capital punishment is incompatible with Jesus' demand that we love our neighbors AND our enemies.

by: PASTOR JEFF

03-04-2010 @ 11:38am

Ding! You win a membership to the "Pastor Jeff is not a real Pastor Club".
Let's try Genesis 4 (wherein God marks Cain, the first murderer, with his protection from vengeful society) if you want to go to "pre-Israelite" Bible.
My point is that God and the Bible may not be your strongest place from whence to argue. when you do so, you impose your God and your interpretation of your God's words onto others'. You may be better off with Hammurabi as a primary source.

by: liberalinlove

03-10-2010 @ 6:21pm

Some people are not worth responding to. Like bungee cords, they just draw you in for the ride. Just mentioning it because it took a lot to wade through all that who said what and why stuff about bible translations.

Life is precious folks. So is time.

by: GraceTruth

03-06-2010 @ 2:14am

Definitely. How can anyone who thinks the unborn deserve protection, the Bible is the word of God and that it is only "giving" when you donate your own money be considered a Christian? That's pretty extreme stuff.

by: kansasmennonite

03-06-2010 @ 2:53am

Exactly! There's a saying-prolife means from womb to tomb.

People put up a "gate" when abortion comes up and cannot understand how people can have different views on when "human" life begins. No one questions when a life begins but the concept of human life is another thing. When Obama was asked by Rich Warren on when life begin I agree when he said it's above his paygrade.

I personally am pro life and wouldn't think of using it but do understand the difficulty of the situation and am not going to bang my "belief" over someone's head.

by: kansasmennonite

03-06-2010 @ 2:46am

I see this is your first comment. Welcome.

by: liberalinlove

03-10-2010 @ 5:59pm

I'm coming late to this discussion, but I'm hoping I still can make a point that I find very relevant in this debate.

http://www.amenclinics.com/blog/1136/untreated-...

Dr. Amen, a pioneer in brain function research has done significant research as well as offers resources on prison inmates brain function in relation to ADHD and other co-morbid illnesses.

Many of our inmates can be correctly diagnosed with brain dysfunction through spect scans, which show diminished capability to empathize with victims, or understand consequences, or control behavior. Many have untreated schizophrenic, bi-polar, or schizoaffective disorders which create anti-social behaviors.

The science is relatively new, yet relevant. It also is hard for a fundamental Christian to wrap their heads around the idea that not all choices are moral ones.

We live in a fallen world complete with poor pre-natal care, post natal care and environmental toxins. Many of those studied by Dr. Amen were 3rd and 4th generation criminals. As he treated brain functions, he discovered wakened empathetic abilities, complete with true repentance.

With a family history of mental health issues, and a husband who works with families who also struggle with these issues, we have seen patterns of those who receive no support, medical or socially, drift into anti-social and unacceptable behaviors.

One can only wonder the high cost of stamping moral codes on any and all crimes without assessing the medical needs of the offender, who if and when they are released will offend again.

While this science does not hold out all the answers for curing our overcrowded prison system's ills, nor will it always prevent the crimes that place people on death row, it can certainly hold out hope that many more people can be returned to society as functioning adults, esp. if they are able and willing to receive true mental health care.

by: dudleysharp

03-04-2010 @ 11:11pm

Zehr could not have been more wrong.

"Death Penalty Support: Christian Scholars"
http://prodpinnc.blogspot.com/2009/07/death-pen...

by: PDBurns

03-04-2010 @ 1:24pm

Thanks Andrea, your article makes me think that for all these individuals who were wrongly charged there is an individual in our neighborhood that should be in their place. Not necessarily on death row, but in a facility where he or she can not victimize more people. It is shocking when you look at how many victims of crime live in fear because no one has ever been convicted for that violent crime. In Michigan, where I call home, there were over 3446 rapes in 2008. In that same year only 452 were arrested for that crime. That leaves 2994 victims. These victims need to be recognized as well.

by: dudleysharp

03-04-2010 @ 11:07pm

srjeana

For your class:

"Dead Man Walking" & Sr. Helen Prejean: A Critical Review
From Dudley Sharp" . . .makes you realize the Dead Man Walking truly belongs on the shelf in the library in the Fiction category." "Being devout Catholics, 'the norm' would be to look to the church for support and healing. Again, this need for spiritual stability was stolen by Sister Prejean." The Bourques, Victim Survivors, Dead Family Walking "Sister Helen Prejean & the death penalty: A Critical Review"
http://homicidesurvivors.com/2009/05/04/sister-...Other, related links"Death Penalty Support: Christian Scholars"
http://prodpinnc.blogspot.com/2009/07/death-pen...
"The Death Penalty: Neither Hatred nor Revenge"
http://homicidesurvivors.com/2009/07/20/the-dea...
"The Death Penalty: More Protection for Innocents"
http://homicidesurvivors.com/2009/07/05/the-dea...
"The Innocent Executed: Deception & Death Penalty Opponents"
http://homicidesurvivors.com/2009/10/08/the-inn...
"Killing equals Killing: The Amoral Confusion of Death Penalty Opponents"
http://homicidesurvivors.com/2009/02/01/murder-...
"The Death Penalty: Not a Human Rights Violation"
http://homicidesurvivors.com/2006/03/20/the-dea...
"Physicians & The State Execution of Murderers: No Ethical/Medical Dilemma"
http://prodpinnc.blogspot.com/2009/10/physician...
"Pope John Paul II: Prudential Judgement and the death penalty"
http://homicidesurvivors.com/2007/07/23/pope-jo...
"At the Death House Door" Can Rev. Carroll Pickett be trusted?"
http://homicidesurvivors.com/2009/01/30/fact-ch...
More topics upon request.

by: Patricia

03-04-2010 @ 1:52pm

I'm hoping your point isn't that convicting innocent individuals is a fair trade to victims whose perpetrators are not caught or prosecuted...I don't think anyone is ignoring crime victims by pointing out that innocent people are receiving the death sentence.

It's not as if the choice is the death penalty or walk free. We have the option of life in prison without parole. This should be sufficient for a society in order to prevent the execution of someone who is innocent. Once that life is taken, it can never be recalled. Once that life is taken, the opportunity for conversion and repentence is forever revoked. Humans are fallible and subject to all sorts of prejudices and temptations (revenge VS justice, for example). Our justice system should humbly leave the life-taking to the One who did the life-giving.

by: Homer J

03-04-2010 @ 11:05pm

"In Jesus' teaching," Zehr concludes, "life belongs to God. It is not ours to take. We also have to repudiate capital punishment because it is incompatible with the basic focus of the Gospel--reconciliation and redemption."

Read Romans 13. God delegated some things to governments. The sword wasn't for corporal punishment, it was for capital punishment.

by: PDBurns

03-04-2010 @ 2:19pm

My point was "These victims need to be recognized as well." I'm not sure how you would conclude that I was in favor of trading one set of victims for another. You also seemed to assume in your reply I was in favor of the death penalty... not the case. Sorry if my point was not clear. I believe we agree with one another. Grace and Peace. :)

by: kansasmennonite

03-07-2010 @ 12:41pm

I read some of the first url you posted. Sure, I believe that translations can take place (in divorce verses for instance) but you have to realize that abortion is not directly talked about in the Bible such as: Thou shalt not abort a fetus as it is human. You have to read between the lines like on so many subjects and consequently is subject to interpretation. The author had to jump through some hoops to come up with his "theory". It may be true and it may not be. Why can't you conclude that it's a difficult subject and there are many thoughts on it?

Do you believe we should have an eye for an eye? The NT did indeed change our responses to these OT laws. I too believe that one should be able to argue aboriton, capital punishment, pacifism, etc. to win the disagreement.

The point on animals being aborted still stands. You, I guess were using the argument that a fecuts is unique and that makes it human. I say that animals are unique too. What don't you get about this? Perhaps we should be using the term human "soul". When does the sould come into being? That is the true debate isn't it? Of course, animals don't have a "soul" and aren't subject to being aborted. Does this make any sense. I guess, you will not concede that it's possible that a fetus gets it's "soul" at some other point other than conception. The Bible doesn't tell us when the soul arrives and science hasn't either at this point.

This article was dealing with capitol punishment, I stand that capital punishment is a sham and shame in this society (as other countries have concluded). You're a "hard liner" and I'm not. Was Jesus a "hardliner"?

by: BlueDeacon

03-04-2010 @ 2:19pm

Something to understand: In the Scripture, to put someone to death you needed at least two witnesses, plus an accuser had to be involved in the execution (Deut. 17-6-7). Why was David not killed after he had put out a contract on Bathsheba's husband? Answer: No eyewitnesses!

by: homerj1

03-04-2010 @ 2:22pm

Good point about the Biblical standard for witnesses. That is one of
the problems with our society. I was on a jury once and saw perjury
committed many times without consequence.

by: Grace|Truth

03-07-2010 @ 1:49pm

"The point on animals being aborted still stands. You, I guess were using the argument that a fecuts is unique and that makes it human. I say that animals are unique too. What don't you get about this?"

I have re-read your animal comments many times and must confess that I don't understand your point. Perhaps another reader can translate for me.

I am not saying "the fetus is unique and that is what makes it human." I am saying that it is a scientific fact that the unborn are human. I add "unique human being" because some people try to say it is just another body part, like a hang nail, that the woman has every right to destroy without doing anything immoral. But if this human being is distinct from the mother -- and the unborn certainly are -- then they warrant protection.

Souls are immaterial and science deals with the material, so it will never tell you when the soul arrives.

It is irrelevant when the soul arrives. And again, even if you thought it mattered, once you concede that you don't know when it arrives you should err on the side of life.

"You're a "hard liner" and I'm not. Was Jesus a "hardliner"?"

I'm not sure why you resort to name calling so frequently. I prefer to stick with the facts and reasons behind the arguments.

You don't appear to be very flexible on this issue. You brought up the Exodus passage as being irrefutable. I showed evidence that it relies on a mistranslation of the key word. You didn't even read the whole article. Who is the hard liner?

I'll switch to pro-choice the day that someone convinces me that abortion doesn't kill an innocent human being. I'm very persuadable.

Re. Jesus: perhaps you could define what you mean by "hardliner." If you read his whole word (the red letters and the rest of the Bible, which is all his word), he certainly appears pretty firm on many topics. In the Sermon on the Mount he criticizes the listeners for doing just about everything wrong: Praying, worshiping, giving, etc. He sure was preachy!

by: Grace|Truth

03-07-2010 @ 1:30pm

Pro-legalized abortion Christians rely on translations that mis-translate
the key word. The original Hebrew did not mean "miscarriage," but they use
that mistranslation exclusively. I don't see how that is jumping through
hoops.

Saying, "It may be true and it may not be" on such an important issue seems
like an inadequate response to me. You have provided one Bible verse to
support your pro-legalized abortion views. I showed how those rely on a
mistranslation. If you want to try and show how those authors misunderstood
the original Hebrew then go ahead. You initially seemed very emphatic that
this Hebrew law was some sort of indisputable trump card.

I realize abortion is not talked about in the Bible as you define it, but
neither is every other form of taking innocent life. It just says, "Don't
murder," "protect the weak," and so many more. The only question is, "What
is the unborn?" Since we know they are human beings, then their lives
should be protected.

"Why can't you conclude that it's a difficult subject and there are many
thoughts on it?"

Those are non-controversial statements and I agree. But given that I know
the science on this issue and that 3,000+ innocent human beings die each day
in the U.S., those don't mean anything to me. If your point is that I
should stop trying to defend life and change laws, then wouldn't your
statement apply to health care and every other topic as well?

"Do you believe we should have an eye for an eye? The NT did indeed change
our responses to these OT laws."

I do believe in proportional justice, but I only brought up the "eye for
eye" because you were referring to this passage as the final word on the
Bible and abortion. It seems inconsistent for anyone using it to support
pro-legalized abortion and then abandon it for other justice issues.

by: scat

03-05-2010 @ 3:34am

I am not judging what is in your heart or what you may or may not be guilty of. I am just throwing your reflection back to you. I did try to suggest you might be wise.
I have no desire to engage in a shouting match with you. Life if tloo precious to waste it that way.

by: Patricia

03-04-2010 @ 2:43pm

Thanks for the clarification :). I combined my question to you with my belief regarding capital punishment...that probably confused it a bit, too :).

by: Homer J

03-05-2010 @ 3:27am

The "God's job to judge" logic claims too much. Using that logic we'd
have no justice system at all.

by: Homer J

03-05-2010 @ 3:25am

I have seen the research. It is a deterrent.

by: Homer J

03-05-2010 @ 3:25am

You say you don't judge, then you judge me. Seems kinda hypocritical.

by: scat

03-05-2010 @ 3:21am

Call it murder, killing or collateral damage -- dead is dead. I also have co-workers who are felons, including a convicted murderer. So what. It makes no difference as to whether I should do what I can to care for them. It is only one part of what they are. It has nothing to do with whether they have a chance to live their lives possibly for the better. My job is not to judge but to help. It's God's job to judge. That I will not willfully harm another is a recognition of His ultimate superiority and that He is unimaginably patient with us.
As for the death penalty being a deterrant, that is not the case. there is plenty of research on it if you care to check it out.
Just a word to the wise -- never use the word "assume". I do not make any assumptions about what you believe. I take you at your word, which by the way has a quite hostile, condescending tone. There are a lot of very bright, knowledgeable people here. Their ideas and words are worthy of an open mind and thoughtful consideration.

by: jookitcz

03-06-2010 @ 5:22am

I find it interesting that you do not think that disagreement with your arguments could be compatible with comprehension of them. But I admire your unassailable self-confidence. In this forum, I wish to only address the topic discussed in your first link, since I think it is the least intertwined with the ethical considerations that could take years to suss out to everyone's satisfaction.

Legal innocence does not necessarily indicate actual innocence. I agree. But neither does legal guilt necessarily indicate actual guilt. Your argument misses the point that the death penalty--in fact, any determination reached by a mortal court--is a presumption, based on society's acceptance that the legal determination of guilt or innocence is as close as we can fairly get to the real thing. And if you choose to maintain that we should not be content with that approximation, you would have a valid contention. But if you find legal innocence unacceptably contrived, then it is disingenuous to simultaneously accept a punishment as drastic as death as appropriate redress for what is, after all, an equally contrived assignment of guilt.

by: PASTOR JEFF

03-05-2010 @ 3:05am

"You claim to know the mind of God through Gen.4, etc."

I made no such claim. That is your projection.
You have shown no misapplication

by: Homer J

03-05-2010 @ 2:31am

That is inconsistent. You claim to know the mind of God through Gen.
4, etc. but I don't try to act like it is a character flaw on your
part. I just point where you have misapplied the text.

by: Homer J

03-05-2010 @ 1:01am

They agree. No problem there. Maybe if you got in a good Bible study
you'd understand scripture and how it fits together.

by: sally4peace

03-04-2010 @ 4:07pm

I know the death penalty cannot be part of a just society. We are not allowed to kill. Period. My gentle, elderly murdered Mom's memory would not be honored by further violence of an execution. The death penalty further hurts victim's families, preventing healing. Holding on to hate erodes the mental and physical health of the one who hates.
Since her murder I've learned how the death penalty is used racially and only against the poor, is more expensive than life in prison, and raises the incidence of murders. When an innocent person is sentenced to death, the guilty murderer is not apprehended and may kill again. We cannot teach that killing is wrong by killing.

by: Homer J

03-05-2010 @ 1:00am

The SC also said when don't know when life begins. They have been
wrong many times I've got a whole bunch of mainstream embryology
textbooks that say otherwise. I'm too pro-science to be pro-choice.

by: dudleysharp

03-06-2010 @ 10:13am

Jookitcz:

In fact that point was considered. It is a truism that in this discussion, everyone is aware that the determination is guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, not guilt with out any doubt. This consideration is a constant, so I saw no need to state it.

You seem, again, to miss the point of my first link, which is the topic of your comments.

The 139 "exonerated" cases are based upon a blatant and obvious fraud.

The DPIC simply invented their own definitions for innocent and exonerated and put those 139 cases into those categories.

My goal with the link was to clear the fog, which apparently, you are still stuck in.

This debate is about the actually innocent, those that have no comnnection to the capital crimes. That is not at all what the DPIC is including in their numbers.

We cannot executed legally innocent people, because, by definition, those cases are overtuned.

The concern if for the actual innocent whose cases may not be overtuned because of legal issues.

My only point is let's try and identify those, as opposed to being deceptive as DPIC is.

by: scat

03-04-2010 @ 4:19pm

LIke the one that says we shall not kill? When in doubt, consider the
"supreme" command -- love each other.

by: Homer J

03-05-2010 @ 12:58am

The UN?? Heh.

You are in opposition to God. You stick with the world, I'll stick
with Jesus. He was ok with 100% of the OT and his direct followers or
those under their guidance wrote the NT. It never speaks against CP.

by: homerj1

03-04-2010 @ 4:33pm

The command is don't murder, not don't kill.

I also love the people who the murderers may kill or have killed. The
death penalty is a deterrent.

Btw, I do prison ministry and am friends with many felons, including
murderers.

Also, I assume you and the other anti-CP folks here are wildly pro-
life? One murderer is put to death each week versus 20,000 innocent
human beings killed by abortion. Hopefully you all have the same love
for them as you do for convicted murderers who survived 10+ years of
appeals.

by: PASTOR JEFF

03-05-2010 @ 12:55am

Paul vs Jesus...from which side should we approach?

by: PASTOR JEFF

03-05-2010 @ 12:53am

"Most people who murder do not see beyond their action; they kill quickly in moments of great fear or emotional stress and under the influence of drugs or alcohol. When the crime is premeditated, the individual rarely believes he or she will be apprehended or executed

by: Homer J

03-05-2010 @ 12:52am

The jury talked to the DA after he trial.

by: Homer J

03-05-2010 @ 12:50am

The burden of proof is on you and any false teachers who agree with
you. Re. Gen 4 - exceptions aren't rules.

Once again your self-refuting philosohy betrays you. I'm not vehement
(though false teachers disgust me). But how can you say it is wrong
to be vehement anyway? How can you say it is wrong to make up a God
in my own image? I know why it is wrong of you to create a false god,
but you've already dismissed plain readings of the text and made
interpretations a free for all. You saw off the limb you are sitting
on.

by: PASTOR JEFF

03-05-2010 @ 12:46am

And what, as a good citizen, did you do to resist this illegal activity? Did you report it?

by: kansasmennonite

03-07-2010 @ 4:44pm

Your point on a human being unique is no different than animals is it not? What makes a human human? Is it not the "soul"? Is that what separates us from animals?

I used the Judaism and OT reference as proof that religion can play a part on how interpretations are made. The Jews apparently thought that the translation was miscariage when they interpreted in the Talmud. That gives us a glimpse into their thinking. I never said it was irrufatible. You're the one not looking at the possiblity of being wrong. I conceded that indeed the translation could be wrong. Can you concede your translation might be wrong? No, you didn't. I concede that I don't know when the sould arrives hince I err on the side of pro life but don't push my religious beliefs on the other people of this nation. I don't think Jesus was a hardliner but you do.

Quote:"Souls are immaterial and science deals with the material, so it will never tell you when the soul arrives."
That's why it's between God and oneself. That's why religion plays and important roll in the process.

You say that capitol punishment is ok with you because it's in the OT. What about the other laws that we know you don't practice? Should the US hold an eye for eye, hand for hand? Why not?

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by: RachelK

03-03-2010 @ 8:21pm

While I applaud your work -- and wish I had the courage to take up a cause so passionately -- it seems to me there is a further step to take in opposing the death penalty. To oppose it because innocent people are wrongly convicted and sentenced is to miss the point that the death penalty ought not -- cannot -- be part of a just society.

by: RachelK

03-03-2010 @ 8:21pm

While I applaud your work -- and wish I had the courage to take up a cause so passionately -- it seems to me there is a further step to take in opposing the death penalty. To oppose it because innocent people are wrongly convicted and sentenced is to miss the point that the death penalty ought not -- cannot -- be part of a just society.

by: dudleysharp

03-03-2010 @ 8:25pm

Part of awareness must always be if we are coming from the truth.

Some things to consider in our paths to awareness.

"The 130 (now 139) death row 'innocents' scam"
http://homicidesurvivors.com/2009/03/04/fact-ch...

"The Death Penalty: More Protection for Innocents"
http://homicidesurvivors.com/2009/07/05/the-dea...

"Death Penalty Sentencing: No Systemic Bias"
http://prodpinnc.blogspot.com/2009/07/death-pen...

"The Death Penalty: Neither Hatred nor Revenge"
http://homicidesurvivors.com/2009/07/20/the-dea...

"The Death Penalty: Not a Human Rights Violation"
http://homicidesurvivors.com/2006/03/20/the-dea...

"Death Penalty Support: Christian Scholars"
http://prodpinnc.blogspot.com/2009/07/death-pen...

by: dudleysharp

03-03-2010 @ 8:25pm

Part of awareness must always be if we are coming from the truth.

Some things to consider in our paths to awareness.

"The 130 (now 139) death row 'innocents' scam"
http://homicidesurvivors.com/2009/03/04/fact-ch...

"The Death Penalty: More Protection for Innocents"
http://homicidesurvivors.com/2009/07/05/the-dea...

"Death Penalty Sentencing: No Systemic Bias"
http://prodpinnc.blogspot.com/2009/07/death-pen...

"The Death Penalty: Neither Hatred nor Revenge"
http://homicidesurvivors.com/2009/07/20/the-dea...

"The Death Penalty: Not a Human Rights Violation"
http://homicidesurvivors.com/2006/03/20/the-dea...

"Death Penalty Support: Christian Scholars"
http://prodpinnc.blogspot.com/2009/07/death-pen...

by: homerj1

03-03-2010 @ 9:55pm

The death penalty was God's idea (Genesis 9), so if you disagree with it in principle your problem is with him.

Of course, it should be fairly applied. If you think it isn't that is your only argument against it. But God was willing to take that risk.

I've heard many arguments against capital punishment and nearly all of them are awful.

ineffective arguments against capital punishment

by: homerj1

03-03-2010 @ 9:55pm

The death penalty was God's idea (Genesis 9), so if you disagree with it in principle your problem is with him.

Of course, it should be fairly applied. If you think it isn't that is your only argument against it. But God was willing to take that risk.

I've heard many arguments against capital punishment and nearly all of them are awful.

ineffective arguments against capital punishment

by: srjeana

03-04-2010 @ 12:35am

Thanks for all you're doing, Andrea! I'm showing "Dead Man Walking" to my Social Justice classes this week as we wrap up a unit on the Life and Dignity of the Human Person, and the torrent of issues within this issue can be overwhelming sometimes. I'm grateful for the increasing leadership we've had from the U.S. bishops in the past 10 years.

by: srjeana

03-04-2010 @ 12:35am

Thanks for all you're doing, Andrea! I'm showing "Dead Man Walking" to my Social Justice classes this week as we wrap up a unit on the Life and Dignity of the Human Person, and the torrent of issues within this issue can be overwhelming sometimes. I'm grateful for the increasing leadership we've had from the U.S. bishops in the past 10 years.

by: PASTOR JEFF

03-04-2010 @ 1:40am

It was also "God's idea" to sentence incorrigible children and Sabbath breakers to death, so?

by: PASTOR JEFF

03-04-2010 @ 1:40am

It was also "God's idea" to sentence incorrigible children and Sabbath breakers to death, so?

by: homerj1

03-04-2010 @ 1:45am

You're the pastor. What does the Bible say?

If you can't see the distinction between capital punishment for murder
(pre-Israelites) and some Israelite-specific punishments then you
shouldn't masquerade as a pastor.

by: homerj1

03-04-2010 @ 1:45am

You're the pastor. What does the Bible say?

If you can't see the distinction between capital punishment for murder
(pre-Israelites) and some Israelite-specific punishments then you
shouldn't masquerade as a pastor.

by: scat

03-04-2010 @ 2:57am

Since it was God's idea and we have done such a loousy job at it, I think we should leave it up to Him. If we learn nothing by our failures, then it is that much more shameful.

by: scat

03-04-2010 @ 2:57am

Since it was God's idea and we have done such a loousy job at it, I think we should leave it up to Him. If we learn nothing by our failures, then it is that much more shameful.

by: homerj1

03-04-2010 @ 10:21am

Using that logic we'd disobey all his commands.

by: homerj1

03-04-2010 @ 10:21am

Using that logic we'd disobey all his commands.

by: Mihs

03-04-2010 @ 11:18am

Thank you for posting this Ms. Woods. You are right, our imperfect legal system almost guarantees that people will be wrongfully executed. What's more, it's a blessing to be reminded to make room in our hearts for love and forgiveness. We can be so quick to forget (and, in some cases ignore) the call to forgive those who have trespassed against us. Regardless of guilt, capital punishment is incompatible with Jesus' demand that we love our neighbors AND our enemies.

by: Mihs

03-04-2010 @ 11:18am

Thank you for posting this Ms. Woods. You are right, our imperfect legal system almost guarantees that people will be wrongfully executed. What's more, it's a blessing to be reminded to make room in our hearts for love and forgiveness. We can be so quick to forget (and, in some cases ignore) the call to forgive those who have trespassed against us. Regardless of guilt, capital punishment is incompatible with Jesus' demand that we love our neighbors AND our enemies.

by: PASTOR JEFF

03-04-2010 @ 11:38am

Ding! You win a membership to the "Pastor Jeff is not a real Pastor Club".
Let's try Genesis 4 (wherein God marks Cain, the first murderer, with his protection from vengeful society) if you want to go to "pre-Israelite" Bible.
My point is that God and the Bible may not be your strongest place from whence to argue. when you do so, you impose your God and your interpretation of your God's words onto others'. You may be better off with Hammurabi as a primary source.

by: PASTOR JEFF

03-04-2010 @ 11:38am

Ding! You win a membership to the "Pastor Jeff is not a real Pastor Club".
Let's try Genesis 4 (wherein God marks Cain, the first murderer, with his protection from vengeful society) if you want to go to "pre-Israelite" Bible.
My point is that God and the Bible may not be your strongest place from whence to argue. when you do so, you impose your God and your interpretation of your God's words onto others'. You may be better off with Hammurabi as a primary source.

by: PDBurns

03-04-2010 @ 1:24pm

Thanks Andrea, your article makes me think that for all these individuals who were wrongly charged there is an individual in our neighborhood that should be in their place. Not necessarily on death row, but in a facility where he or she can not victimize more people. It is shocking when you look at how many victims of crime live in fear because no one has ever been convicted for that violent crime. In Michigan, where I call home, there were over 3446 rapes in 2008. In that same year only 452 were arrested for that crime. That leaves 2994 victims. These victims need to be recognized as well.

by: PDBurns

03-04-2010 @ 1:24pm

Thanks Andrea, your article makes me think that for all these individuals who were wrongly charged there is an individual in our neighborhood that should be in their place. Not necessarily on death row, but in a facility where he or she can not victimize more people. It is shocking when you look at how many victims of crime live in fear because no one has ever been convicted for that violent crime. In Michigan, where I call home, there were over 3446 rapes in 2008. In that same year only 452 were arrested for that crime. That leaves 2994 victims. These victims need to be recognized as well.

by: Patricia

03-04-2010 @ 1:52pm

I'm hoping your point isn't that convicting innocent individuals is a fair trade to victims whose perpetrators are not caught or prosecuted...I don't think anyone is ignoring crime victims by pointing out that innocent people are receiving the death sentence.

It's not as if the choice is the death penalty or walk free. We have the option of life in prison without parole. This should be sufficient for a society in order to prevent the execution of someone who is innocent. Once that life is taken, it can never be recalled. Once that life is taken, the opportunity for conversion and repentence is forever revoked. Humans are fallible and subject to all sorts of prejudices and temptations (revenge VS justice, for example). Our justice system should humbly leave the life-taking to the One who did the life-giving.

by: Patricia

03-04-2010 @ 1:52pm

I'm hoping your point isn't that convicting innocent individuals is a fair trade to victims whose perpetrators are not caught or prosecuted...I don't think anyone is ignoring crime victims by pointing out that innocent people are receiving the death sentence.

It's not as if the choice is the death penalty or walk free. We have the option of life in prison without parole. This should be sufficient for a society in order to prevent the execution of someone who is innocent. Once that life is taken, it can never be recalled. Once that life is taken, the opportunity for conversion and repentence is forever revoked. Humans are fallible and subject to all sorts of prejudices and temptations (revenge VS justice, for example). Our justice system should humbly leave the life-taking to the One who did the life-giving.

by: PDBurns

03-04-2010 @ 2:19pm

My point was "These victims need to be recognized as well." I'm not sure how you would conclude that I was in favor of trading one set of victims for another. You also seemed to assume in your reply I was in favor of the death penalty... not the case. Sorry if my point was not clear. I believe we agree with one another. Grace and Peace. :)

by: PDBurns

03-04-2010 @ 2:19pm

My point was "These victims need to be recognized as well." I'm not sure how you would conclude that I was in favor of trading one set of victims for another. You also seemed to assume in your reply I was in favor of the death penalty... not the case. Sorry if my point was not clear. I believe we agree with one another. Grace and Peace. :)

by: BlueDeacon

03-04-2010 @ 2:19pm

Something to understand: In the Scripture, to put someone to death you needed at least two witnesses, plus an accuser had to be involved in the execution (Deut. 17-6-7). Why was David not killed after he had put out a contract on Bathsheba's husband? Answer: No eyewitnesses!

by: BlueDeacon

03-04-2010 @ 2:19pm

Something to understand: In the Scripture, to put someone to death you needed at least two witnesses, plus an accuser had to be involved in the execution (Deut. 17-6-7). Why was David not killed after he had put out a contract on Bathsheba's husband? Answer: No eyewitnesses!

by: homerj1

03-04-2010 @ 2:22pm

Good point about the Biblical standard for witnesses. That is one of
the problems with our society. I was on a jury once and saw perjury
committed many times without consequence.

by: homerj1

03-04-2010 @ 2:22pm

Good point about the Biblical standard for witnesses. That is one of
the problems with our society. I was on a jury once and saw perjury
committed many times without consequence.

by: Patricia

03-04-2010 @ 2:43pm

Thanks for the clarification :). I combined my question to you with my belief regarding capital punishment...that probably confused it a bit, too :).

by: Patricia

03-04-2010 @ 2:43pm

Thanks for the clarification :). I combined my question to you with my belief regarding capital punishment...that probably confused it a bit, too :).

by: sally4peace

03-04-2010 @ 4:07pm

I know the death penalty cannot be part of a just society. We are not allowed to kill. Period. My gentle, elderly murdered Mom's memory would not be honored by further violence of an execution. The death penalty further hurts victim's families, preventing healing. Holding on to hate erodes the mental and physical health of the one who hates.
Since her murder I've learned how the death penalty is used racially and only against the poor, is more expensive than life in prison, and raises the incidence of murders. When an innocent person is sentenced to death, the guilty murderer is not apprehended and may kill again. We cannot teach that killing is wrong by killing.

by: sally4peace

03-04-2010 @ 4:07pm

I know the death penalty cannot be part of a just society. We are not allowed to kill. Period. My gentle, elderly murdered Mom's memory would not be honored by further violence of an execution. The death penalty further hurts victim's families, preventing healing. Holding on to hate erodes the mental and physical health of the one who hates.
Since her murder I've learned how the death penalty is used racially and only against the poor, is more expensive than life in prison, and raises the incidence of murders. When an innocent person is sentenced to death, the guilty murderer is not apprehended and may kill again. We cannot teach that killing is wrong by killing.

by: scat

03-04-2010 @ 4:19pm

LIke the one that says we shall not kill? When in doubt, consider the
"supreme" command -- love each other.

by: scat

03-04-2010 @ 4:19pm

LIke the one that says we shall not kill? When in doubt, consider the
"supreme" command -- love each other.

by: homerj1

03-04-2010 @ 4:33pm

The command is don't murder, not don't kill.

I also love the people who the murderers may kill or have killed. The
death penalty is a deterrent.

Btw, I do prison ministry and am friends with many felons, including
murderers.

Also, I assume you and the other anti-CP folks here are wildly pro-
life? One murderer is put to death each week versus 20,000 innocent
human beings killed by abortion. Hopefully you all have the same love
for them as you do for convicted murderers who survived 10+ years of
appeals.

by: homerj1

03-04-2010 @ 4:33pm

The command is don't murder, not don't kill.

I also love the people who the murderers may kill or have killed. The
death penalty is a deterrent.

Btw, I do prison ministry and am friends with many felons, including
murderers.

Also, I assume you and the other anti-CP folks here are wildly pro-
life? One murderer is put to death each week versus 20,000 innocent
human beings killed by abortion. Hopefully you all have the same love
for them as you do for convicted murderers who survived 10+ years of
appeals.

by: Ngchen

03-04-2010 @ 5:14pm

Something that many people seem to miss in the debate is whether it might be possible to reform the system, rather than simply arguing non-stop over whether to abolish or not.

Possible reforms include perhaps raising the standard for conviction - IIRC Texas of all places made it illegal to convict based solely on the testimony of an undercover officer after it was finally proved that a rogue officer made up stuff. Another would be to have an independent office investigate and prosecute cases of perjury, which currently is rarely prosecuted. (The perjury resulting in execution as a capital offense laws in UT, CA, and elsewhere are meaningless if perjury is never prosecuted.) Finally, (don't know how practical this would be in practice), maybe requiring something like TWO trials to sentence someone to death rather than the one we currently have. The way the current system runs seems to me like way too much appeals (which are inevitably over points of law), with way too little fact-finding safeguards.

by: Ngchen

03-04-2010 @ 5:14pm

Something that many people seem to miss in the debate is whether it might be possible to reform the system, rather than simply arguing non-stop over whether to abolish or not.

Possible reforms include perhaps raising the standard for conviction - IIRC Texas of all places made it illegal to convict based solely on the testimony of an undercover officer after it was finally proved that a rogue officer made up stuff. Another would be to have an independent office investigate and prosecute cases of perjury, which currently is rarely prosecuted. (The perjury resulting in execution as a capital offense laws in UT, CA, and elsewhere are meaningless if perjury is never prosecuted.) Finally, (don't know how practical this would be in practice), maybe requiring something like TWO trials to sentence someone to death rather than the one we currently have. The way the current system runs seems to me like way too much appeals (which are inevitably over points of law), with way too little fact-finding safeguards.

by: VasuMurti

03-04-2010 @ 7:49pm

In a pamphlet entitled The Death Penalty: Cruel & Inhuman Punishment, Amnesty International USA reports that "the United States is the only western industrial nation which still practices capital punishment."

Moreover, the death penalty does not deter violent crime:

"Most people who murder do not see beyond their action; they kill quickly in moments of great fear or emotional stress and under the influence of drugs or alcohol. When the crime is premeditated, the individual rarely believes he or she will be apprehended or executed

by: VasuMurti

03-04-2010 @ 7:49pm

In a pamphlet entitled The Death Penalty: Cruel & Inhuman Punishment, Amnesty International USA reports that "the United States is the only western industrial nation which still practices capital punishment."

Moreover, the death penalty does not deter violent crime:

"Most people who murder do not see beyond their action; they kill quickly in moments of great fear or emotional stress and under the influence of drugs or alcohol. When the crime is premeditated, the individual rarely believes he or she will be apprehended or executed

by: Homer J

03-04-2010 @ 10:57pm

Yes, you are a fake. Glad that is settled. Anyone saying not to use the Bible is sort of a give-away.

I've heard a lot of bad arguments against CP, but Cain's is a new (and bad) one. That in no way says God opposes capital punishment in principle.

And of course, in your self-refuting po-mo logic you undermine your own arguments from the Bible and "your God" and "your interpretation." Be a man and just deal with the text.

by: Homer J

03-04-2010 @ 10:57pm

Yes, you are a fake. Glad that is settled. Anyone saying not to use the Bible is sort of a give-away.

I've heard a lot of bad arguments against CP, but Cain's is a new (and bad) one. That in no way says God opposes capital punishment in principle.

And of course, in your self-refuting po-mo logic you undermine your own arguments from the Bible and "your God" and "your interpretation." Be a man and just deal with the text.

by: jookitcz

03-04-2010 @ 10:59pm

If legal innocence is not actual innocence, then legal guilt is not actual guilt, and there is no justification for sentencing a defendant at all.

None of your arguments manage to both address the issue of sentencing innocents and maintain sound logic.

by: jookitcz

03-04-2010 @ 10:59pm

If legal innocence is not actual innocence, then legal guilt is not actual guilt, and there is no justification for sentencing a defendant at all.

None of your arguments manage to both address the issue of sentencing innocents and maintain sound logic.

by: Homer J

03-04-2010 @ 10:59pm

Of course CP is a deterrent. If traffic tickets meant an immediate 5 years in jail, would that change driving behavior? How about if they cost a nickel? Harsher punishments deter and they provide justice.

by: Homer J

03-04-2010 @ 10:59pm

Of course CP is a deterrent. If traffic tickets meant an immediate 5 years in jail, would that change driving behavior? How about if they cost a nickel? Harsher punishments deter and they provide justice.

by: Homer J

03-04-2010 @ 11:05pm

"In Jesus' teaching," Zehr concludes, "life belongs to God. It is not ours to take. We also have to repudiate capital punishment because it is incompatible with the basic focus of the Gospel--reconciliation and redemption."

Read Romans 13. God delegated some things to governments. The sword wasn't for corporal punishment, it was for capital punishment.

by: Homer J

03-04-2010 @ 11:05pm

"In Jesus' teaching," Zehr concludes, "life belongs to God. It is not ours to take. We also have to repudiate capital punishment because it is incompatible with the basic focus of the Gospel--reconciliation and redemption."

Read Romans 13. God delegated some things to governments. The sword wasn't for corporal punishment, it was for capital punishment.