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Immigration Reform: Change Takes Courage and Faith

100304_090501-016-immigrationThe window is closing on comprehensive immigration reform. At least that's what the politicians in Washington are saying. They're afraid of more demagoguery. They're afraid of upcoming elections. They're afraid of the politics of fear. But I am more and more troubled by how little they seem concerned about the worsening plight of many of America's most vulnerable families -- about how families are being broken up by the U.S. government, forcibly separating children from their parents. And for the media, immigration reform is just another looming political conflict to report, more of the gamesmanship of Washington to cover.

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As always, the real stories of real people get lost in the win/lose politics of the nation's capital. Yes, the nation is going through some tremendous challenges right now. And we all know that Congress is hesitant to tackle tough issues before mid-term elections. But while politicians can write off one more piece of legislation on a packed agenda, they won't be able to write off, or ignore, a movement rooted in our faith communities. If our political leaders won't make room for the "strangers" among us, we will -- because Jesus commands us to do so.

Significant social change does not begin with Congress, and it doesn't happen overnight; it usually takes a movement, and it always takes courage. Sojourners has been convening, educating, and mobilizing Christians nationwide through our Christians for Comprehensive Immigration Reform campaign for the past three years, and we are proud to be in good company with the growing interfaith movement fighting for dignity and justice for immigrants.

On March 21, 2010, tens of thousands of supporters of immigration reform will join together in Washington, D.C. for the "March for America: Change Takes Courage." In the faith community, we have amended the tagline to read "Change Takes Courage and Faith" because courage truly does come from our faith.

Changes to our immigration system will simply not happen without both courage and faith. For many of us, faith is a catalyst to action that can solve the really big issues -- and this is one of the biggest ones we face now. People of faith will look beyond the political calculations and see this for the moral and family crisis it is. It will take people of faith to knock down the doors of Congress and bring the stories of immigrant friends, neighbors, and family members as evidence of the injustices that are experienced on a daily basis. Finally, we need faith in a God who is larger than we can imagine, the God who cries as we humans build border walls to separate ourselves from our brothers and sisters on the other side, the God of justice who isn't persuaded by the political timetables of Washington, D.C.

It's time to stop playing politics with something that should have been dealt with long ago. The situation will only get worse for both citizens and immigrants if we don't resolve it now. That's why Sojourners is launching Voices of Immigration, a new campaign aimed at highlighting stories of immigration in our country and exposing the flaws in the current system. As people who believe that everyone is made in the image of God, we want to restore the human element to the conversation around immigration reform, including subsequent legislative and policy decisions. Each day next week a new story will be highlighted on God's Politics with additional ones posted throughout March on CCIR's Web site.

It is our hope that bringing to light the human face of the social, political, and economic problems caused by the current system will demonstrate the urgent need for immigration reform. I hope these stories will inspire you to join us in fighting to fix a broken system that harms us all. We must boldly declare that it is morally wrong to keep families apart, and that it is morally right to fix the broken system so that immigrants are treated with respect and mercy. At this crucial turning point, we must take the call of our scriptures seriously and act prophetically for justice. If Washington fails to make room for the strangers in our midst, we need to make it clear to Washington that we will do it ourselves.

portrait-jim-wallisJim Wallis is the author of Rediscovering Values: On Wall Street, Main Street, and Your Street -- A Moral Compass for the New Economy, CEO of Sojourners and blogs at www.godspolitics.com.

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by: jubalharshaw

03-09-2010 @ 10:08pm

Having been in Southern California (the People's Republic of Northern Baja) for 35 years, and NOT in the high rent districts, I have known literally thousands of illegals. Some would like to 'get right' with the law. Most freely admit that 'the money is not that bad, particularly when we don't have to pay taxes.' California alone, by its own accounting, could save more than 7 BILLION dollars a year by simply enforcing the laws that exist. If a person wishes to be charitable, that is his or her God-given right, and what is expected of a Christian. A government, however, is not the same. Particularly a government that steals from its own citizens, calling it 'taxation,' or 'wealth redistribution.' The various existing state and federal constitutional laws exist to define what the government may legally spend. Sadly, once elected, the attorneys--oops, politicians--become more interested in buying more votes by giving other peoples' savings away. We have a crisis of morals in this country. And it is caused by a failure to recognize the basics of right and wrong. And a good piece of the failure lies directly with clergy that find 'political activism' more appealing than simple scripture.

by: Ali999

03-06-2010 @ 1:15am

Oh, please. How many illegal aliens willingly break up their own families when they leave them behind to come here illegally? How many illegal aliens behave irresponsibly in giving birth to children in the U.S., knowing that they themselves are deportable--and can't support their own families? Fact is, when illegal aliens are deported, they are free to take their children with them. From this column, it doesn't appear that the author believes in national sovereignty. If so, then why does it matter what the citizenship of the kids is, and why does that prevent them from accompanying their parents?

Also, I can't help but wonder--would Sojourners feel so eager to push for open borders if it meant 20 milion MUSLIMS getting amnesty? Or 100 million Hindus?

by: jubalharshaw

03-06-2010 @ 2:50am

Mr. Wallis, I would also like to point out that our southern neighbor, Mexico, is continually railing against our 'unfair' laws (rarely enforced). Perhaps you could enumerate for your eager readers, the MEXICAN LAWS regarding illegal immigrants. I am sure that it would be enlightening, not only for you, but your readers.

by: jubalharshaw

03-06-2010 @ 2:47am

Mr. Wallis, I am very curious, and I'm sure many of the members of my parish would be delighted to know your take on Jesus' position on secular laws. HE came NOT to challenge the LAWS or the PROPHETS. On the cross, HE promised the 'thief' that repented "Today, you will be with ME in Paradise" when HE could simply have zapped the 'thief' off of his cross to lead a more enlightened life. Jesus allowed the secular LAW to be followed, enforced. You appear to be saying "secular law is wrong and Jesus was wrong" with respect to immigration reform. As Christians, I teach that one must always work within the framework of secular laws to change them. That means that Title 8, USC 241 and 242 must be followed. Existing immigration laws must be followed, until such time that the Congress LEGALLY REPEALS THEM. And don't forget the minor detail that CONGRESS SHALL PASS NO EX POST FACTO LAWS. Kind of makes you look bad, I think.

by: NMRod

03-04-2010 @ 4:02pm

Sadly, as financial desperation spreads, it serves the financial aristocracy to deflect blame for the debacle away from their own thirst for an even bigger portion - so that it can continue, unslaked.

Ironically, in a nation mostly made up of immigrants, the immigrant is the convenient scapegoat. Like the scapegoating of Jews in the financial disaster that enveloped the world as a result of Wall Street's earlier excesses, but particularly Weimar Germany, it is always something that is encouraged by elites in trouble. The inchoate and incoherent thoughts that are inflamed witin the increasingly desperate of our own nation don't arise on their own or out of nowhere - they are tacitly encouraged by those same guilty elites and the foam-flecked and tearful megaphones that mouth them are cynically bankrolled by them.

by: fundamentalist

03-04-2010 @ 4:41pm

This is an issue on which libertarians and progressives can work together. The state has no business telling people who can live and work here unless the commit crimes while they're here. All immigrants want is a chance to improve their lives and feed their families. What right do we have to stop them?

by: kansasmennonite

03-06-2010 @ 11:44am

I'm sure you're waiting with a loaded firearm for this to happen!

by: Ngchen

03-04-2010 @ 6:35pm

Interestingly, the conservative argument with regard to legal and illegal immigration is this (rightly or wrongly): borders exist for a reason, and if limits aren't rigidly enforced, the nature of the country ultimately gets imperiled.

Of course, there is the question of whether any country should have some sort of fixed "nature" which may well be more myth than fact anyway.

by: Homer J

03-04-2010 @ 9:42pm

"The state has no business telling people who can live and work here unless the commit crimes while they're here. All immigrants want is a chance to improve their lives and feed their families. What right do we have to stop them?"

Uh, our sovereignty? This is our country. We have a duty and a right to protect our borders. This piece is just an extended play bumper sticker - "courage and faith!" How about what is right?

You don't want "justice." Justice would involve consequences for people who broke the law.

This isn't about scape goating. This is about being intentional about not letting millions of people into the country. Hey, why not invite a hundred million of Chinese to come over? We can pay for them as well, eh?

by: oscargm

03-06-2010 @ 8:50pm

Jesus also said that forgiveness is not infinite.When asked how many times one should forgive He made it clear and categorically:70x7=490.The 491 sin and all after that are unforgivables and no matter how many good deeds one does after that one is going to Hell without redemtion.Also sea animals without scales and fins are abominables to God.It includes shrimps,clams,lobsters,oysters also rabbit and pork are prohibited.Do you eat them?.Those that work on the Lord's Day are condenm to death.Do you?.Women that wear men's classical wear (pants) are sinning.That is why the Duggars girls of tv program all wear skirts.All those commandments are in Leviticus and Deutoronimus.Check it.Apply those commandments as they are written not as you want to interpret them.

by: NMRod

03-05-2010 @ 4:39pm

You figured it out! Now, why is that so hard?

by: NMRod

03-05-2010 @ 4:38pm

Soon, it will be the Chinese turning away impoverished white Americans.

Hey wait a minute - just HOW did all those white Americans get here, when they are supposed to be in EUROPE?

Hmmm...

by: oscargm

03-06-2010 @ 8:59pm

I'm of two minds on this issue.One I would like all latin immigrants to be made citizens so they can vote.That will change the political scene of this country.By adding 12 MILLION people of one persuation to the already 18% of the current population will change this country radically.Blacks are only 12% of the population but are represented about 20 to 25% in advertising and industry.When all those latins become citizens things will change.Yea.I'm a hispanic.But on the other hand they will displace americans in many jobs that only citizens can have.By the way,Jesus said "love thy neighbor".He didn't say love him/her in the next house but it can be in the neighbor COUNTRY,not in my country.

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by: jubalharshaw

03-09-2010 @ 8:13pm

Oh, and Mr. Wallis, I notice that you have not bothered to respond to my initial question. So, in your expert opinion, was Jesus wrong in allowing secular law to be executed? Are you indeed smarter and more moral than HIM?

by: jubalharshaw

03-09-2010 @ 8:08pm

Having been in Southern California (the People's Republic of Northern Baja) for 35 years, and NOT in the high rent districts, I have known literally thousands of illegals. Some would like to 'get right' with the law. Most freely admit that 'the money is not that bad, particularly when we don't have to pay taxes.' California alone, by its own accounting, could save more than 7 BILLION dollars a year by simply enforcing the laws that exist. If a person wishes to be charitable, that is his or her God-given right, and what is expected of a Christian. A government, however, is not the same. Particularly a government that steals from its own citizens, calling it 'taxation,' or 'wealth redistribution.' The various existing state and federal constitutional laws exist to define what the government may legally spend. Sadly, once elected, the attorneys--oops, politicians--become more interested in buying more votes by giving other peoples' savings away. We have a crisis of morals in this country. And it is caused by a failure to recognize the basics of right and wrong. And a good piece of the failure lies directly with clergy that find 'political activism' more appealing than simple scripture.

by: gregogoshgarian

03-18-2010 @ 9:26pm

Jubalharshaw.........I guess you would also be referring to the "secular laws" of slavery, forcible removal of American Indians, segregation laws, apartheid laws, stoning of homosexuals, stoning of Christians, just to name a few of different world "secular laws"?

In the words of MLK, Jr:
One may well ask: "How can you advocate breaking some laws and obeying others?" The answer lies in the fact that there are two types of laws: just and unjust. I would be the first to advocate obeying just laws. One has not only a legal but a moral responsibility to obey just laws. Conversely, one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws. I would agree with St. Augustine that "an unjust law is no law at all."

by: lisamh13

03-08-2010 @ 10:58pm

The fact is that we have millions of undocumented people here. Right or wrong we need to look forward at where we go from here. Given the chance most will come forward and pay the price to right thier wrong.

by: jubalharshaw

03-09-2010 @ 10:13pm

Oh, and Mr. Wallis, I notice that you have not bothered to respond to my initial question. So, in your expert opinion, was Jesus wrong in allowing secular law to be executed? Are you indeed smarter and more moral than HIM?

by: jubalharshaw

03-09-2010 @ 10:08pm

Having been in Southern California (the People's Republic of Northern Baja) for 35 years, and NOT in the high rent districts, I have known literally thousands of illegals. Some would like to 'get right' with the law. Most freely admit that 'the money is not that bad, particularly when we don't have to pay taxes.' California alone, by its own accounting, could save more than 7 BILLION dollars a year by simply enforcing the laws that exist. If a person wishes to be charitable, that is his or her God-given right, and what is expected of a Christian. A government, however, is not the same. Particularly a government that steals from its own citizens, calling it 'taxation,' or 'wealth redistribution.' The various existing state and federal constitutional laws exist to define what the government may legally spend. Sadly, once elected, the attorneys--oops, politicians--become more interested in buying more votes by giving other peoples' savings away. We have a crisis of morals in this country. And it is caused by a failure to recognize the basics of right and wrong. And a good piece of the failure lies directly with clergy that find 'political activism' more appealing than simple scripture.

by: prgrs_ev

03-09-2010 @ 5:20am

"This is our country. We have a duty and a right to protect our borders."

This statement, for me, lacks a requisite humility given this history we collectively we own for how "our country" was "acquired". We still have not provided justice for this history and now we have the outrageous hubris to engage in xenophobia.

by: NMRod

03-04-2010 @ 4:02pm

Sadly, as financial desperation spreads, it serves the financial aristocracy to deflect blame for the debacle away from their own thirst for an even bigger portion - so that it can continue, unslaked.

Ironically, in a nation mostly made up of immigrants, the immigrant is the convenient scapegoat. Like the scapegoating of Jews in the financial disaster that enveloped the world as a result of Wall Street's earlier excesses, but particularly Weimar Germany, it is always something that is encouraged by elites in trouble. The inchoate and incoherent thoughts that are inflamed witin the increasingly desperate of our own nation don't arise on their own or out of nowhere - they are tacitly encouraged by those same guilty elites and the foam-flecked and tearful megaphones that mouth them are cynically bankrolled by them.

by: strayaway

03-04-2010 @ 11:56pm

This is an issue that divides along social class lines. Supply/demand dictates that increasing the supply of workers reduces the demand for the original supply of workers. Combined with policies that send jobs overseas, US workers cannot demand higher wages. The management class, on the other hand, profits from a larger labor supply. This has led to a huge distortion in the ownership of this country. We are losing our middle class as advantages flow to the rich.

by: fundamentalist

03-04-2010 @ 4:41pm

This is an issue on which libertarians and progressives can work together. The state has no business telling people who can live and work here unless the commit crimes while they're here. All immigrants want is a chance to improve their lives and feed their families. What right do we have to stop them?

by: Ngchen

03-04-2010 @ 6:35pm

Interestingly, the conservative argument with regard to legal and illegal immigration is this (rightly or wrongly): borders exist for a reason, and if limits aren't rigidly enforced, the nature of the country ultimately gets imperiled.

Of course, there is the question of whether any country should have some sort of fixed "nature" which may well be more myth than fact anyway.

by: Ali999

03-06-2010 @ 1:15am

Oh, please. How many illegal aliens willingly break up their own families when they leave them behind to come here illegally? How many illegal aliens behave irresponsibly in giving birth to children in the U.S., knowing that they themselves are deportable--and can't support their own families? Fact is, when illegal aliens are deported, they are free to take their children with them. From this column, it doesn't appear that the author believes in national sovereignty. If so, then why does it matter what the citizenship of the kids is, and why does that prevent them from accompanying their parents?

Also, I can't help but wonder--would Sojourners feel so eager to push for open borders if it meant 20 milion MUSLIMS getting amnesty? Or 100 million Hindus?

by: jubalharshaw

03-06-2010 @ 2:50am

Mr. Wallis, I would also like to point out that our southern neighbor, Mexico, is continually railing against our 'unfair' laws (rarely enforced). Perhaps you could enumerate for your eager readers, the MEXICAN LAWS regarding illegal immigrants. I am sure that it would be enlightening, not only for you, but your readers.

by: jubalharshaw

03-06-2010 @ 2:47am

Mr. Wallis, I am very curious, and I'm sure many of the members of my parish would be delighted to know your take on Jesus' position on secular laws. HE came NOT to challenge the LAWS or the PROPHETS. On the cross, HE promised the 'thief' that repented "Today, you will be with ME in Paradise" when HE could simply have zapped the 'thief' off of his cross to lead a more enlightened life. Jesus allowed the secular LAW to be followed, enforced. You appear to be saying "secular law is wrong and Jesus was wrong" with respect to immigration reform. As Christians, I teach that one must always work within the framework of secular laws to change them. That means that Title 8, USC 241 and 242 must be followed. Existing immigration laws must be followed, until such time that the Congress LEGALLY REPEALS THEM. And don't forget the minor detail that CONGRESS SHALL PASS NO EX POST FACTO LAWS. Kind of makes you look bad, I think.

by: NMRod

03-05-2010 @ 4:39pm

You figured it out! Now, why is that so hard?

by: NMRod

03-05-2010 @ 4:38pm

Soon, it will be the Chinese turning away impoverished white Americans.

Hey wait a minute - just HOW did all those white Americans get here, when they are supposed to be in EUROPE?

Hmmm...

by: kansasmennonite

03-06-2010 @ 11:44am

I'm sure you're waiting with a loaded firearm for this to happen!

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03-08-2010 @ 5:01am

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by: Homer J

03-04-2010 @ 9:42pm

"The state has no business telling people who can live and work here unless the commit crimes while they're here. All immigrants want is a chance to improve their lives and feed their families. What right do we have to stop them?"

Uh, our sovereignty? This is our country. We have a duty and a right to protect our borders. This piece is just an extended play bumper sticker - "courage and faith!" How about what is right?

You don't want "justice." Justice would involve consequences for people who broke the law.

This isn't about scape goating. This is about being intentional about not letting millions of people into the country. Hey, why not invite a hundred million of Chinese to come over? We can pay for them as well, eh?

by: oscargm

03-06-2010 @ 8:50pm

Jesus also said that forgiveness is not infinite.When asked how many times one should forgive He made it clear and categorically:70x7=490.The 491 sin and all after that are unforgivables and no matter how many good deeds one does after that one is going to Hell without redemtion.Also sea animals without scales and fins are abominables to God.It includes shrimps,clams,lobsters,oysters also rabbit and pork are prohibited.Do you eat them?.Those that work on the Lord's Day are condenm to death.Do you?.Women that wear men's classical wear (pants) are sinning.That is why the Duggars girls of tv program all wear skirts.All those commandments are in Leviticus and Deutoronimus.Check it.Apply those commandments as they are written not as you want to interpret them.

by: oscargm

03-06-2010 @ 8:59pm

I'm of two minds on this issue.One I would like all latin immigrants to be made citizens so they can vote.That will change the political scene of this country.By adding 12 MILLION people of one persuation to the already 18% of the current population will change this country radically.Blacks are only 12% of the population but are represented about 20 to 25% in advertising and industry.When all those latins become citizens things will change.Yea.I'm a hispanic.But on the other hand they will displace americans in many jobs that only citizens can have.By the way,Jesus said "love thy neighbor".He didn't say love him/her in the next house but it can be in the neighbor COUNTRY,not in my country.

by: lisamh13

03-08-2010 @ 10:58pm

The fact is that we have millions of undocumented people here. Right or wrong we need to look forward at where we go from here. Given the chance most will come forward and pay the price to right thier wrong.

by: prgrs_ev

03-09-2010 @ 5:20am

"This is our country. We have a duty and a right to protect our borders."

This statement, for me, lacks a requisite humility given this history we collectively we own for how "our country" was "acquired". We still have not provided justice for this history and now we have the outrageous hubris to engage in xenophobia.

by: Android Tablets

06-14-2011 @ 5:54pm

You are wrong and I am right.
Othello Tablet

by: strayaway

03-04-2010 @ 11:56pm

This is an issue that divides along social class lines. Supply/demand dictates that increasing the supply of workers reduces the demand for the original supply of workers. Combined with policies that send jobs overseas, US workers cannot demand higher wages. The management class, on the other hand, profits from a larger labor supply. This has led to a huge distortion in the ownership of this country. We are losing our middle class as advantages flow to the rich.

by: jubalharshaw

03-09-2010 @ 8:13pm

Oh, and Mr. Wallis, I notice that you have not bothered to respond to my initial question. So, in your expert opinion, was Jesus wrong in allowing secular law to be executed? Are you indeed smarter and more moral than HIM?

by: jubalharshaw

03-09-2010 @ 8:08pm

Having been in Southern California (the People's Republic of Northern Baja) for 35 years, and NOT in the high rent districts, I have known literally thousands of illegals. Some would like to 'get right' with the law. Most freely admit that 'the money is not that bad, particularly when we don't have to pay taxes.' California alone, by its own accounting, could save more than 7 BILLION dollars a year by simply enforcing the laws that exist. If a person wishes to be charitable, that is his or her God-given right, and what is expected of a Christian. A government, however, is not the same. Particularly a government that steals from its own citizens, calling it 'taxation,' or 'wealth redistribution.' The various existing state and federal constitutional laws exist to define what the government may legally spend. Sadly, once elected, the attorneys--oops, politicians--become more interested in buying more votes by giving other peoples' savings away. We have a crisis of morals in this country. And it is caused by a failure to recognize the basics of right and wrong. And a good piece of the failure lies directly with clergy that find 'political activism' more appealing than simple scripture.

by: gregogoshgarian

03-18-2010 @ 9:26pm

Jubalharshaw.........I guess you would also be referring to the "secular laws" of slavery, forcible removal of American Indians, segregation laws, apartheid laws, stoning of homosexuals, stoning of Christians, just to name a few of different world "secular laws"?

In the words of MLK, Jr:
One may well ask: "How can you advocate breaking some laws and obeying others?" The answer lies in the fact that there are two types of laws: just and unjust. I would be the first to advocate obeying just laws. One has not only a legal but a moral responsibility to obey just laws. Conversely, one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws. I would agree with St. Augustine that "an unjust law is no law at all."

by: jubalharshaw

03-09-2010 @ 10:13pm

Oh, and Mr. Wallis, I notice that you have not bothered to respond to my initial question. So, in your expert opinion, was Jesus wrong in allowing secular law to be executed? Are you indeed smarter and more moral than HIM?

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by: NMRod

03-04-2010 @ 4:02pm

Sadly, as financial desperation spreads, it serves the financial aristocracy to deflect blame for the debacle away from their own thirst for an even bigger portion - so that it can continue, unslaked.

Ironically, in a nation mostly made up of immigrants, the immigrant is the convenient scapegoat. Like the scapegoating of Jews in the financial disaster that enveloped the world as a result of Wall Street's earlier excesses, but particularly Weimar Germany, it is always something that is encouraged by elites in trouble. The inchoate and incoherent thoughts that are inflamed witin the increasingly desperate of our own nation don't arise on their own or out of nowhere - they are tacitly encouraged by those same guilty elites and the foam-flecked and tearful megaphones that mouth them are cynically bankrolled by them.

by: NMRod

03-04-2010 @ 4:02pm

Sadly, as financial desperation spreads, it serves the financial aristocracy to deflect blame for the debacle away from their own thirst for an even bigger portion - so that it can continue, unslaked.

Ironically, in a nation mostly made up of immigrants, the immigrant is the convenient scapegoat. Like the scapegoating of Jews in the financial disaster that enveloped the world as a result of Wall Street's earlier excesses, but particularly Weimar Germany, it is always something that is encouraged by elites in trouble. The inchoate and incoherent thoughts that are inflamed witin the increasingly desperate of our own nation don't arise on their own or out of nowhere - they are tacitly encouraged by those same guilty elites and the foam-flecked and tearful megaphones that mouth them are cynically bankrolled by them.

by: fundamentalist

03-04-2010 @ 4:41pm

This is an issue on which libertarians and progressives can work together. The state has no business telling people who can live and work here unless the commit crimes while they're here. All immigrants want is a chance to improve their lives and feed their families. What right do we have to stop them?

by: fundamentalist

03-04-2010 @ 4:41pm

This is an issue on which libertarians and progressives can work together. The state has no business telling people who can live and work here unless the commit crimes while they're here. All immigrants want is a chance to improve their lives and feed their families. What right do we have to stop them?

by: Ngchen

03-04-2010 @ 6:35pm

Interestingly, the conservative argument with regard to legal and illegal immigration is this (rightly or wrongly): borders exist for a reason, and if limits aren't rigidly enforced, the nature of the country ultimately gets imperiled.

Of course, there is the question of whether any country should have some sort of fixed "nature" which may well be more myth than fact anyway.

by: Ngchen

03-04-2010 @ 6:35pm

Interestingly, the conservative argument with regard to legal and illegal immigration is this (rightly or wrongly): borders exist for a reason, and if limits aren't rigidly enforced, the nature of the country ultimately gets imperiled.

Of course, there is the question of whether any country should have some sort of fixed "nature" which may well be more myth than fact anyway.

by: Homer J

03-04-2010 @ 9:42pm

"The state has no business telling people who can live and work here unless the commit crimes while they're here. All immigrants want is a chance to improve their lives and feed their families. What right do we have to stop them?"

Uh, our sovereignty? This is our country. We have a duty and a right to protect our borders. This piece is just an extended play bumper sticker - "courage and faith!" How about what is right?

You don't want "justice." Justice would involve consequences for people who broke the law.

This isn't about scape goating. This is about being intentional about not letting millions of people into the country. Hey, why not invite a hundred million of Chinese to come over? We can pay for them as well, eh?

by: Homer J

03-04-2010 @ 9:42pm

"The state has no business telling people who can live and work here unless the commit crimes while they're here. All immigrants want is a chance to improve their lives and feed their families. What right do we have to stop them?"

Uh, our sovereignty? This is our country. We have a duty and a right to protect our borders. This piece is just an extended play bumper sticker - "courage and faith!" How about what is right?

You don't want "justice." Justice would involve consequences for people who broke the law.

This isn't about scape goating. This is about being intentional about not letting millions of people into the country. Hey, why not invite a hundred million of Chinese to come over? We can pay for them as well, eh?

by: strayaway

03-04-2010 @ 11:56pm

This is an issue that divides along social class lines. Supply/demand dictates that increasing the supply of workers reduces the demand for the original supply of workers. Combined with policies that send jobs overseas, US workers cannot demand higher wages. The management class, on the other hand, profits from a larger labor supply. This has led to a huge distortion in the ownership of this country. We are losing our middle class as advantages flow to the rich.

by: strayaway

03-04-2010 @ 11:56pm

This is an issue that divides along social class lines. Supply/demand dictates that increasing the supply of workers reduces the demand for the original supply of workers. Combined with policies that send jobs overseas, US workers cannot demand higher wages. The management class, on the other hand, profits from a larger labor supply. This has led to a huge distortion in the ownership of this country. We are losing our middle class as advantages flow to the rich.

by: NMRod

03-05-2010 @ 4:38pm

Soon, it will be the Chinese turning away impoverished white Americans.

Hey wait a minute - just HOW did all those white Americans get here, when they are supposed to be in EUROPE?

Hmmm...

by: NMRod

03-05-2010 @ 4:38pm

Soon, it will be the Chinese turning away impoverished white Americans.

Hey wait a minute - just HOW did all those white Americans get here, when they are supposed to be in EUROPE?

Hmmm...

by: NMRod

03-05-2010 @ 4:39pm

You figured it out! Now, why is that so hard?

by: NMRod

03-05-2010 @ 4:39pm

You figured it out! Now, why is that so hard?

by: Ali999

03-06-2010 @ 1:15am

Oh, please. How many illegal aliens willingly break up their own families when they leave them behind to come here illegally? How many illegal aliens behave irresponsibly in giving birth to children in the U.S., knowing that they themselves are deportable--and can't support their own families? Fact is, when illegal aliens are deported, they are free to take their children with them. From this column, it doesn't appear that the author believes in national sovereignty. If so, then why does it matter what the citizenship of the kids is, and why does that prevent them from accompanying their parents?

Also, I can't help but wonder--would Sojourners feel so eager to push for open borders if it meant 20 milion MUSLIMS getting amnesty? Or 100 million Hindus?

by: Ali999

03-06-2010 @ 1:15am

Oh, please. How many illegal aliens willingly break up their own families when they leave them behind to come here illegally? How many illegal aliens behave irresponsibly in giving birth to children in the U.S., knowing that they themselves are deportable--and can't support their own families? Fact is, when illegal aliens are deported, they are free to take their children with them. From this column, it doesn't appear that the author believes in national sovereignty. If so, then why does it matter what the citizenship of the kids is, and why does that prevent them from accompanying their parents?

Also, I can't help but wonder--would Sojourners feel so eager to push for open borders if it meant 20 milion MUSLIMS getting amnesty? Or 100 million Hindus?

by: jubalharshaw

03-06-2010 @ 2:47am

Mr. Wallis, I am very curious, and I'm sure many of the members of my parish would be delighted to know your take on Jesus' position on secular laws. HE came NOT to challenge the LAWS or the PROPHETS. On the cross, HE promised the 'thief' that repented "Today, you will be with ME in Paradise" when HE could simply have zapped the 'thief' off of his cross to lead a more enlightened life. Jesus allowed the secular LAW to be followed, enforced. You appear to be saying "secular law is wrong and Jesus was wrong" with respect to immigration reform. As Christians, I teach that one must always work within the framework of secular laws to change them. That means that Title 8, USC 241 and 242 must be followed. Existing immigration laws must be followed, until such time that the Congress LEGALLY REPEALS THEM. And don't forget the minor detail that CONGRESS SHALL PASS NO EX POST FACTO LAWS. Kind of makes you look bad, I think.

by: jubalharshaw

03-06-2010 @ 2:47am

Mr. Wallis, I am very curious, and I'm sure many of the members of my parish would be delighted to know your take on Jesus' position on secular laws. HE came NOT to challenge the LAWS or the PROPHETS. On the cross, HE promised the 'thief' that repented "Today, you will be with ME in Paradise" when HE could simply have zapped the 'thief' off of his cross to lead a more enlightened life. Jesus allowed the secular LAW to be followed, enforced. You appear to be saying "secular law is wrong and Jesus was wrong" with respect to immigration reform. As Christians, I teach that one must always work within the framework of secular laws to change them. That means that Title 8, USC 241 and 242 must be followed. Existing immigration laws must be followed, until such time that the Congress LEGALLY REPEALS THEM. And don't forget the minor detail that CONGRESS SHALL PASS NO EX POST FACTO LAWS. Kind of makes you look bad, I think.

by: jubalharshaw

03-06-2010 @ 2:50am

Mr. Wallis, I would also like to point out that our southern neighbor, Mexico, is continually railing against our 'unfair' laws (rarely enforced). Perhaps you could enumerate for your eager readers, the MEXICAN LAWS regarding illegal immigrants. I am sure that it would be enlightening, not only for you, but your readers.

by: jubalharshaw

03-06-2010 @ 2:50am

Mr. Wallis, I would also like to point out that our southern neighbor, Mexico, is continually railing against our 'unfair' laws (rarely enforced). Perhaps you could enumerate for your eager readers, the MEXICAN LAWS regarding illegal immigrants. I am sure that it would be enlightening, not only for you, but your readers.

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03-06-2010 @ 11:44am

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03-06-2010 @ 11:44am

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by: oscargm

03-06-2010 @ 8:50pm

Jesus also said that forgiveness is not infinite.When asked how many times one should forgive He made it clear and categorically:70x7=490.The 491 sin and all after that are unforgivables and no matter how many good deeds one does after that one is going to Hell without redemtion.Also sea animals without scales and fins are abominables to God.It includes shrimps,clams,lobsters,oysters also rabbit and pork are prohibited.Do you eat them?.Those that work on the Lord's Day are condenm to death.Do you?.Women that wear men's classical wear (pants) are sinning.That is why the Duggars girls of tv program all wear skirts.All those commandments are in Leviticus and Deutoronimus.Check it.Apply those commandments as they are written not as you want to interpret them.

by: oscargm

03-06-2010 @ 8:50pm

Jesus also said that forgiveness is not infinite.When asked how many times one should forgive He made it clear and categorically:70x7=490.The 491 sin and all after that are unforgivables and no matter how many good deeds one does after that one is going to Hell without redemtion.Also sea animals without scales and fins are abominables to God.It includes shrimps,clams,lobsters,oysters also rabbit and pork are prohibited.Do you eat them?.Those that work on the Lord's Day are condenm to death.Do you?.Women that wear men's classical wear (pants) are sinning.That is why the Duggars girls of tv program all wear skirts.All those commandments are in Leviticus and Deutoronimus.Check it.Apply those commandments as they are written not as you want to interpret them.

by: oscargm

03-06-2010 @ 8:59pm

I'm of two minds on this issue.One I would like all latin immigrants to be made citizens so they can vote.That will change the political scene of this country.By adding 12 MILLION people of one persuation to the already 18% of the current population will change this country radically.Blacks are only 12% of the population but are represented about 20 to 25% in advertising and industry.When all those latins become citizens things will change.Yea.I'm a hispanic.But on the other hand they will displace americans in many jobs that only citizens can have.By the way,Jesus said "love thy neighbor".He didn't say love him/her in the next house but it can be in the neighbor COUNTRY,not in my country.

by: oscargm

03-06-2010 @ 8:59pm

I'm of two minds on this issue.One I would like all latin immigrants to be made citizens so they can vote.That will change the political scene of this country.By adding 12 MILLION people of one persuation to the already 18% of the current population will change this country radically.Blacks are only 12% of the population but are represented about 20 to 25% in advertising and industry.When all those latins become citizens things will change.Yea.I'm a hispanic.But on the other hand they will displace americans in many jobs that only citizens can have.By the way,Jesus said "love thy neighbor".He didn't say love him/her in the next house but it can be in the neighbor COUNTRY,not in my country.

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by: lisamh13

03-08-2010 @ 10:58pm

The fact is that we have millions of undocumented people here. Right or wrong we need to look forward at where we go from here. Given the chance most will come forward and pay the price to right thier wrong.

by: lisamh13

03-08-2010 @ 10:58pm

The fact is that we have millions of undocumented people here. Right or wrong we need to look forward at where we go from here. Given the chance most will come forward and pay the price to right thier wrong.

by: prgrs_ev

03-09-2010 @ 5:20am

"This is our country. We have a duty and a right to protect our borders."

This statement, for me, lacks a requisite humility given this history we collectively we own for how "our country" was "acquired". We still have not provided justice for this history and now we have the outrageous hubris to engage in xenophobia.

by: prgrs_ev

03-09-2010 @ 5:20am

"This is our country. We have a duty and a right to protect our borders."

This statement, for me, lacks a requisite humility given this history we collectively we own for how "our country" was "acquired". We still have not provided justice for this history and now we have the outrageous hubris to engage in xenophobia.

by: jubalharshaw

03-09-2010 @ 8:08pm

Having been in Southern California (the People's Republic of Northern Baja) for 35 years, and NOT in the high rent districts, I have known literally thousands of illegals. Some would like to 'get right' with the law. Most freely admit that 'the money is not that bad, particularly when we don't have to pay taxes.' California alone, by its own accounting, could save more than 7 BILLION dollars a year by simply enforcing the laws that exist. If a person wishes to be charitable, that is his or her God-given right, and what is expected of a Christian. A government, however, is not the same. Particularly a government that steals from its own citizens, calling it 'taxation,' or 'wealth redistribution.' The various existing state and federal constitutional laws exist to define what the government may legally spend. Sadly, once elected, the attorneys--oops, politicians--become more interested in buying more votes by giving other peoples' savings away. We have a crisis of morals in this country. And it is caused by a failure to recognize the basics of right and wrong. And a good piece of the failure lies directly with clergy that find 'political activism' more appealing than simple scripture.

by: jubalharshaw

03-09-2010 @ 8:08pm

Having been in Southern California (the People's Republic of Northern Baja) for 35 years, and NOT in the high rent districts, I have known literally thousands of illegals. Some would like to 'get right' with the law. Most freely admit that 'the money is not that bad, particularly when we don't have to pay taxes.' California alone, by its own accounting, could save more than 7 BILLION dollars a year by simply enforcing the laws that exist. If a person wishes to be charitable, that is his or her God-given right, and what is expected of a Christian. A government, however, is not the same. Particularly a government that steals from its own citizens, calling it 'taxation,' or 'wealth redistribution.' The various existing state and federal constitutional laws exist to define what the government may legally spend. Sadly, once elected, the attorneys--oops, politicians--become more interested in buying more votes by giving other peoples' savings away. We have a crisis of morals in this country. And it is caused by a failure to recognize the basics of right and wrong. And a good piece of the failure lies directly with clergy that find 'political activism' more appealing than simple scripture.

by: jubalharshaw

03-09-2010 @ 8:13pm

Oh, and Mr. Wallis, I notice that you have not bothered to respond to my initial question. So, in your expert opinion, was Jesus wrong in allowing secular law to be executed? Are you indeed smarter and more moral than HIM?

by: jubalharshaw

03-09-2010 @ 8:13pm

Oh, and Mr. Wallis, I notice that you have not bothered to respond to my initial question. So, in your expert opinion, was Jesus wrong in allowing secular law to be executed? Are you indeed smarter and more moral than HIM?

by: jubalharshaw

03-09-2010 @ 10:08pm

Having been in Southern California (the People's Republic of Northern Baja) for 35 years, and NOT in the high rent districts, I have known literally thousands of illegals. Some would like to 'get right' with the law. Most freely admit that 'the money is not that bad, particularly when we don't have to pay taxes.' California alone, by its own accounting, could save more than 7 BILLION dollars a year by simply enforcing the laws that exist. If a person wishes to be charitable, that is his or her God-given right, and what is expected of a Christian. A government, however, is not the same. Particularly a government that steals from its own citizens, calling it 'taxation,' or 'wealth redistribution.' The various existing state and federal constitutional laws exist to define what the government may legally spend. Sadly, once elected, the attorneys--oops, politicians--become more interested in buying more votes by giving other peoples' savings away. We have a crisis of morals in this country. And it is caused by a failure to recognize the basics of right and wrong. And a good piece of the failure lies directly with clergy that find 'political activism' more appealing than simple scripture.

by: jubalharshaw

03-09-2010 @ 10:08pm

Having been in Southern California (the People's Republic of Northern Baja) for 35 years, and NOT in the high rent districts, I have known literally thousands of illegals. Some would like to 'get right' with the law. Most freely admit that 'the money is not that bad, particularly when we don't have to pay taxes.' California alone, by its own accounting, could save more than 7 BILLION dollars a year by simply enforcing the laws that exist. If a person wishes to be charitable, that is his or her God-given right, and what is expected of a Christian. A government, however, is not the same. Particularly a government that steals from its own citizens, calling it 'taxation,' or 'wealth redistribution.' The various existing state and federal constitutional laws exist to define what the government may legally spend. Sadly, once elected, the attorneys--oops, politicians--become more interested in buying more votes by giving other peoples' savings away. We have a crisis of morals in this country. And it is caused by a failure to recognize the basics of right and wrong. And a good piece of the failure lies directly with clergy that find 'political activism' more appealing than simple scripture.

by: jubalharshaw

03-09-2010 @ 10:13pm

Oh, and Mr. Wallis, I notice that you have not bothered to respond to my initial question. So, in your expert opinion, was Jesus wrong in allowing secular law to be executed? Are you indeed smarter and more moral than HIM?

by: jubalharshaw

03-09-2010 @ 10:13pm

Oh, and Mr. Wallis, I notice that you have not bothered to respond to my initial question. So, in your expert opinion, was Jesus wrong in allowing secular law to be executed? Are you indeed smarter and more moral than HIM?

by: gregogoshgarian

03-18-2010 @ 9:26pm

Jubalharshaw.........I guess you would also be referring to the "secular laws" of slavery, forcible removal of American Indians, segregation laws, apartheid laws, stoning of homosexuals, stoning of Christians, just to name a few of different world "secular laws"?

In the words of MLK, Jr:
One may well ask: "How can you advocate breaking some laws and obeying others?" The answer lies in the fact that there are two types of laws: just and unjust. I would be the first to advocate obeying just laws. One has not only a legal but a moral responsibility to obey just laws. Conversely, one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws. I would agree with St. Augustine that "an unjust law is no law at all."

by: gregogoshgarian

03-18-2010 @ 9:26pm

Jubalharshaw.........I guess you would also be referring to the "secular laws" of slavery, forcible removal of American Indians, segregation laws, apartheid laws, stoning of homosexuals, stoning of Christians, just to name a few of different world "secular laws"?

In the words of MLK, Jr:
One may well ask: "How can you advocate breaking some laws and obeying others?" The answer lies in the fact that there are two types of laws: just and unjust. I would be the first to advocate obeying just laws. One has not only a legal but a moral responsibility to obey just laws. Conversely, one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws. I would agree with St. Augustine that "an unjust law is no law at all."

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