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On Sunday, a major march for immigration reform will take place in Washington, D.C. Tens of thousands of people will gather to call on the White House to lead, and put forward an immigration reform bill whose time has come. We will march and we will pray. And the following morning, a high-level delegation of religious leaders will meet with key White House officials to press the same message. There are both Democrats and Republicans who in the past have said they supported comprehensive immigration reform, and so there ought now to be bipartisan support for such a bill. But in the ultra-partisan and poisoned atmosphere of the U.S. Congress now, bipartisan spirit has fled the halls of power. In Washington, politics is now just a game of win and lose, and it's only about the next election; the process of politics in the nation's capital is no longer about solving problems. But the problem is that there are children and families in the balance, and the politicians are now playing politics with the lives of vulnerable people. Those people are our brothers and sisters, they are our parishioners, and they are children of God. And the faith community has come together to say the time for politics over compassion is over.

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The number of deportations in this administration's first year is higher than previous years, meaning more broken lives, more families torn apart. That is not what we meant by change. The president and members of Congress continue to assert their support for immigration reform; but actions speak louder than words. We all know that Congress is hesitant to tackle tough issues before mid-term elections. But comprehensive reform legislation must be introduced, and must be passed. We don't want more verbal commitments, we want action.

While politicians can write off one more piece of legislation on a packed agenda, they won't be able to write off, or ignore, a movement rooted in our faith communities. If our political leaders won't make room for the "strangers" among us, we will -- because Jesus commands us to do so. It's time to stop playing politics with people's lives.

We will surround our political leaders with the stories of suffering and pray this reform into passage. The faith community is united on the moral imperative of this issue like nothing we've seen in years, and we will do all it takes to see this cause move forward. At this crucial turning point, we must take the call of our scriptures seriously and act prophetically for justice. If Washington fails to make room for the strangers in our midst, we need to make it clear to Washington that we will do it ourselves, and not leave them alone until they do what's right.

For many of us, faith is a catalyst to action that can solve the really big issues - and this is one of the biggest we face now. People of faith need to look beyond the political calculations and see this for the moral and family crisis it is. It will take people of faith to knock down the doors of Congress and bring the stories of immigrant friends, neighbors, and family members as evidence of the injustices that are experienced on a daily basis. Finally, we need faith in a God who is larger than we can imagine, the God who weeps as we humans build border walls to separate ourselves from our brothers and sisters on the other side, the God of justice who isn't persuaded by the political timetables of Washington, D.C.

This is the message we will take to the streets of Washington on Sunday, and to the White House on Monday. We will boldly declare that it is morally wrong to keep families apart, and that it is morally right to fix the broken system, and to make sure that immigrants are treated with respect and mercy. We will ask the president and the leadership of the House and Senate not to wait any longer for bipartisan consensus to move immigration reform onto the agenda. Introduce the bill, Mr. President, and don't wait for those in the other party or even everyone in your own party to join you. Tell the country why this is both right and in the best interests of the country -- of us all. Tell them why it is the American thing to do. And then let us surround our Senators and Representatives with the testimonies of those who have suffered, and with the prayers of the people. We will create one of the most powerful prayer vigils for compassion and justice that this nation has ever seen -- both personally and publicly. Let us pray reform into passage.

portrait-jim-wallisJim Wallis is the author of Rediscovering Values: On Wall Street, Main Street, and Your Street -- A Moral Compass for the New Economy, CEO of Sojourners and blogs at www.godspolitics.com.

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by: MommaN

03-19-2010 @ 12:01am

"This is absolutely not true. I've heard this, about "illegals" getting ahead of legal people. None of this is based upon fact. "

Perhaps this is not based in fact, I am referring from knowledge I have from a few friends struggling with the INS right now and some old research, but I believe that we allow higher numbers of immigrants from Mexico and SA nations than European, African, and Asian nations. Basically, under current laws, people from SA get "priority" over Asian, African and European (this is, of course, referring to non-skilled worker immigrants, not to skilled workers who get first priority). This is where the concept that people who enter illegally get priority comes from, because someone from SA who entered illegally may have an easier time obtaining citizenship than someone who entered legally and then ran into issues that jeopardized their legal status.

by: WaveTossed

03-21-2010 @ 8:45pm

"Doesn't the legal path take many years?"

Yes, it does. That's because there is a huge backlog. The INS needs to implement policies and hire staff to elminate this backlog.

However, there is very little political will to do so. We have the anti-immigrant people (who sometimes say they're only anti-"illegal" immgrant, but they are against all immigration). Then we have the employers (including organized crime) who like things the way that they are, with an entire pool of compliant workers that they can exploit with impunity.

by: freshfoodnancy

03-19-2010 @ 12:40am

Thanks, Sojourners, for your eloquent call to the kind of compassion that Jesus called for. I believe that we must treat all people as Jesus would have.
The companies who break the law by hiring illegals and then treating them like slaves should be held responsible for their actions, but the poor and helpless should not be treated like criminals.

by: johnwohlberg

03-19-2010 @ 12:18am

It is not the government, courts, police, etc. that is causing problems for the illegals. It is the parents, relatives, friends and any others that facilitated their coming here. My mother taught me that if I did something wrong I had to take responsibilty.

Perhaps those that wish to employ them should go with them to what they commonly refer to as "my country."

Maybe demonstrations should be held in their countries of origin to correct the conditions that may have caused them to flee.

by: NC77

03-19-2010 @ 9:17pm

Doesn't the legal path take many years? I don't think the people coming for whatever reason have the patience. So that is why they come over illegally. Didn't Bush propose a work program that would have helped immigrants come to the country to work and earn legal status? Wasn't that regected by both parties? Whatever the solution, no doubt special interests will be the driver.

by: judithod

03-19-2010 @ 10:21pm

Prayer should be for God's will to be done, not for the will of Jim Wallis and the Sojourners.

by: Patriot304

03-22-2010 @ 3:42am

I'm praying for immigration enforcement and secure borders. And hopefully a little, no make that a LOT, of E-Verify thrown in for good measure.

by: JHerrick79

03-23-2010 @ 2:15pm

The 'splitting families' dilemma happens when families don't all "come from" the same place. When children are born here, and grow up here their whole lives, they are "from the USA," even though their parents might be from someplace else. Are you proposing we deport US citizens?

by: WaveTossed

03-19-2010 @ 3:11pm

Actually, we do need many of the unskilled workers as well as the skilled workers. Immigration should be handled mainly as a free-market concern. There are American employers who wish to hire workers legally and immigrants who wish to work legally for these employers.

The government's role should only be to weed out possible criminals, terrorists, etc. Other than that, the government should stay out.

by: WaveTossed

03-19-2010 @ 3:08pm

http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=8255

[Excerpt]"Large-scale illegal immigration will end only when America's immigration system offers a legal alternative. When given the choice of paying a smuggler $2,000, risking robbery and death in the desert, and living a shadowy existence in the underground U.S. economy, unable to leave and return freely to visit home, or entering the United States through a port of entry with legal documents, enjoying the full responsibility and protection of the law, and the freedom to visit home without fear of being denied re-entry, the large majority of potential entrants will chose the legal path."

by: WaveTossed

03-19-2010 @ 3:04pm

"We need reform, but not a free pass to citizenship to those in the country illegally."

So instead of "less-government", we need more government?

Read the free-market solution here, one of the Cato Institute's many enlightening articles:

http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=8255

[Excerpt]"Large-scale illegal immigration will end only when America's immigration system offers a legal alternative. When given the choice of paying a smuggler $2,000, risking robbery and death in the desert, and living a shadowy existence in the underground U.S. economy, unable to leave and return freely to visit home, or entering the United States through a port of entry with legal documents, enjoying the full responsibility and protection of the law, and the freedom to visit home without fear of being denied re-entry, the large majority of potential entrants will chose the legal path."

by: jurisnaturalist

03-20-2010 @ 12:44am

Who is "our?" Why the nationalism? I Tim 5:8 is great in regards to caring for your household. But then ask "Who is my neighbor?"

by: iview

03-20-2010 @ 12:30am

Fellow Christians, for Jesus' sake, look to our own millions of suffering poor, so many dying homeless on our streets, before selfishly indulging in "I-feel-good-about myself-because-I'm-so-compassionate-towards-immigrants".

By the promotion of continuing immigration that burdens our country's finite resources and tax revenues, you will inevitably create more poverty and reduce the standard of living for all future generations.

'But if anyone does not provide for his relatives, and especially for members of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.' (1 Timothy 5:8)

by: jurisnaturalist

03-20-2010 @ 12:26am

Because Jesus clearly indicates that your children's future is more important than other people's children's futures. How arrogant and selfish! How cowardly, and unwilling to face competition! And how short-sighted regarding the real way wealth is generated: through gains from trade.

by: tinkouse

03-19-2010 @ 11:52pm

I agree with your suggestions and would add a couple more:
We need to reform the criteria for legal immigration to include the entrepreneurs and self-employed rather than insisting that immigrants have existing contracts, often for low-income jobs.
We need to streamline the process of legal immigration to enable skilled workers to enter the country without having to wait YEARS and spend THOUSANDS of dollars for attorneys to shepherd the process through all the spider webs of legal mumbo-jumbo.
We need to encourage the industrious, able, and willing to participate in this great country instead of making immigration a completely frightening experience.
We, as a country, need to get over discrimination against people who are not English-speaking White people. Every immigrant group admitted in the past consisted of people who were "different" in some way from the people who were already here. Different is good! This diversity is what makes America such a wonderful mosaic of people.

by: avflf

03-23-2010 @ 5:45pm

Only those who show split loyalty and the so-called US citizens that show sympathy towards law-breakers, regardless where they were born.

by: Peregrino2010

03-19-2010 @ 4:02pm

This ability to refer to the birth of babys as an "anchor baby scheme" illustrates the obscene degree to which our brothers and sisters in Christ are dehumanized in anti-immigrant discourse. I would not refer to your children solely as "tax deduction schemes", nor you mine, I hope.

We need to ask where this fear and hatred leads.

Remember, this is a faith-based site. You can expect your postings to be evaluated by a faith-based metric:
17 Do not deprive the alien or the fatherless of justice, or take the cloak of the widow as a pledge. 18 Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and the LORD your God redeemed you from there. That is why I command you to do this.
Deuteronomy 24:17-18 (NIV)

by: TN_Horseman

03-18-2010 @ 6:37pm

Immigration reform is needed but it needs to be more than a method by which millions of people who have disregarded our existing laws are placed ahead of those who have played by the rules and are still waiting to become citizens. When you break laws you should be prepared to accept unpleasant circumstances.

My daughter-in-law came to this country as a 4th grader (her parents remained in Taiwan) is now 30 and married to my son. She applied for citizenship 3 years ago and still has not had her first interview. When the system is reformed to handle those like her than I'll be ready to support some way to deal with those who have ignored the laws of this nation.

by: iview

03-20-2010 @ 7:25am

Our 'household' referred to in 1 Tim 5:8, is those to whom we are first responsible, our closest neighbors, unjustly suffering in our land and in our neighborhoods and on our streets. We are cruel hypocrites if we choose to be blind to our Christian duty to remedy this national disgrace.

The world is watching, but much more importantly, God is watching.

Internationally, for this heartlessness, our nation stands condemned, as those who deny this shameful reality may also be eternally condemned on Judgement Day.

by: iview

03-19-2010 @ 6:47am

We are fast depleting our remaining vital resources, so unless we are prepared to adopt an inevitable and ever-diminishing standard of living for our children to inherit, it's long past time to close the borders to all immigration, for the sake of our children's future.

The morally misguided outlook is to do what makes us feel good about ourselves, falsely congratulating each other on our great compassion, while ignoring the negative consequences our actions cause future generations. That sinister path is the way of delusion, hypocrisy and blatant selfishness. The Christian way should be to direct major resources to enable the millions of poverty stricken souls who are barely surviving on our streets to rebuild their lives and share the bounty of God's love. This situation is a shameful and disgraceful national evil that demands immediate Christian attention. Compassion starts at home.

by: jurisnaturalist

03-19-2010 @ 6:20am

Wallis advocates immigration reform, but he is incredibly nebulous as to what the content of that reform should be. It is quite likely that immigration be brought to the floor of congress and that a new bill be passed even worse than the present legislation.
Here is what Christians should be offering, and it involves personal sacrifice:
We advocate a fresh bill in Congress which eliminates immigration quotas from nations currently in distress and populations currently under oppression.
We further volunteer to take full responsibility for the needs of these immigrants ourselves, through the church, so that not a penny of taxpayer dollars be expended on them, including healthcare, welfare, and other social safety-net programs.
Also, we advocate the removal of minimum wage laws which would prevent new immigrants from finding gainful employment and contributing to society upon their arrival.
Finally, we advocate the lifting of rent control laws which reduce the incentives for developers to build low-income housing, preferring to build mega-McMansions instead. If rent control laws was eliminated developers would return to urban centers providing frugal but durable and decent housing for urban dwellers, among whom many of the refugee immigrants would abide.
Nathanael Snow
ndsnow@gmail.com

by: WaveTossed

03-18-2010 @ 9:31pm

"Immigration reform is needed but it needs to be more than a method by which millions of people who have disregarded our existing laws are placed ahead of those who have played by the rules and are still waiting to become citizens."

This is absolutely not true. I've heard this, about "illegals" getting ahead of legal people. None of this is based upon fact.

The truth is that the huge backlog at the INS is causing the logjam that prevents people from immigrating legally.

It's also interfering with the free market. Immigrants want to work and there are employers who want them to come to work legally. Strange that some of the so-called "small government" people want a big, huge government when it comes to immigration.

by: Patriot304

03-20-2010 @ 10:15pm

Immigraton reform? How about a little immigration enforcement? Secure the borders. Stem the flow of illegals. Implement E-Verify to prohibit those who are not eligible to work in this country from gaining employment. No jobs, fewer illegals. Once we get a handle on the illegal element and get all the 'backlog' in the INS cleared out then we can talk reform. And until then there should be a moratorium on ALL immigration!

by: NC77

03-18-2010 @ 10:38pm

I have heard of illegals that come here looking for a better life, only to wind up in situtions that border on slavery. The have no legal recourse (or are afraid to pursue it) because they are not here legally. The employers that employ them illegally get a great deal with cheap labor and definately do not want to turn themselves in for breaking labor laws. It is a no win situation for illegals.

We need reform, but not a free pass to citizenship to those in the country illegally.

by: avflf

03-18-2010 @ 9:47pm

I'm all for keeping families together ... send them all back from whence they came

by: MommaN

03-19-2010 @ 12:01am

"This is absolutely not true. I've heard this, about "illegals" getting ahead of legal people. None of this is based upon fact. "

Perhaps this is not based in fact, I am referring from knowledge I have from a few friends struggling with the INS right now and some old research, but I believe that we allow higher numbers of immigrants from Mexico and SA nations than European, African, and Asian nations. Basically, under current laws, people from SA get "priority" over Asian, African and European (this is, of course, referring to non-skilled worker immigrants, not to skilled workers who get first priority). This is where the concept that people who enter illegally get priority comes from, because someone from SA who entered illegally may have an easier time obtaining citizenship than someone who entered legally and then ran into issues that jeopardized their legal status.

by: Dan Borden

03-19-2010 @ 12:50pm

Immigration reform is desperately needed. Stop giving preference to unskilled workers, eliminate the anchor baby scheme, and make it easier for highly-skilled scientists and engineers which are desperately needed in the US of A. Finish building the fence and if necessary, bring in the National Guard to enforce the border laws.

by: freshfoodnancy

03-19-2010 @ 12:40am

Thanks, Sojourners, for your eloquent call to the kind of compassion that Jesus called for. I believe that we must treat all people as Jesus would have.
The companies who break the law by hiring illegals and then treating them like slaves should be held responsible for their actions, but the poor and helpless should not be treated like criminals.

by: johnwohlberg

03-19-2010 @ 12:18am

It is not the government, courts, police, etc. that is causing problems for the illegals. It is the parents, relatives, friends and any others that facilitated their coming here. My mother taught me that if I did something wrong I had to take responsibilty.

Perhaps those that wish to employ them should go with them to what they commonly refer to as "my country."

Maybe demonstrations should be held in their countries of origin to correct the conditions that may have caused them to flee.

by: NC77

03-19-2010 @ 9:17pm

Doesn't the legal path take many years? I don't think the people coming for whatever reason have the patience. So that is why they come over illegally. Didn't Bush propose a work program that would have helped immigrants come to the country to work and earn legal status? Wasn't that regected by both parties? Whatever the solution, no doubt special interests will be the driver.

by: JHerrick79

03-23-2010 @ 2:15pm

The 'splitting families' dilemma happens when families don't all "come from" the same place. When children are born here, and grow up here their whole lives, they are "from the USA," even though their parents might be from someplace else. Are you proposing we deport US citizens?

by: judithod

03-19-2010 @ 10:21pm

Prayer should be for God's will to be done, not for the will of Jim Wallis and the Sojourners.

by: WaveTossed

03-21-2010 @ 8:45pm

"Doesn't the legal path take many years?"

Yes, it does. That's because there is a huge backlog. The INS needs to implement policies and hire staff to elminate this backlog.

However, there is very little political will to do so. We have the anti-immigrant people (who sometimes say they're only anti-"illegal" immgrant, but they are against all immigration). Then we have the employers (including organized crime) who like things the way that they are, with an entire pool of compliant workers that they can exploit with impunity.

by: jurisnaturalist

03-20-2010 @ 12:44am

Who is "our?" Why the nationalism? I Tim 5:8 is great in regards to caring for your household. But then ask "Who is my neighbor?"

by: iview

03-20-2010 @ 12:30am

Fellow Christians, for Jesus' sake, look to our own millions of suffering poor, so many dying homeless on our streets, before selfishly indulging in "I-feel-good-about myself-because-I'm-so-compassionate-towards-immigrants".

By the promotion of continuing immigration that burdens our country's finite resources and tax revenues, you will inevitably create more poverty and reduce the standard of living for all future generations.

'But if anyone does not provide for his relatives, and especially for members of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.' (1 Timothy 5:8)

by: jurisnaturalist

03-20-2010 @ 12:26am

Because Jesus clearly indicates that your children's future is more important than other people's children's futures. How arrogant and selfish! How cowardly, and unwilling to face competition! And how short-sighted regarding the real way wealth is generated: through gains from trade.

by: avflf

03-23-2010 @ 5:45pm

Only those who show split loyalty and the so-called US citizens that show sympathy towards law-breakers, regardless where they were born.

by: tinkouse

03-19-2010 @ 11:52pm

I agree with your suggestions and would add a couple more:
We need to reform the criteria for legal immigration to include the entrepreneurs and self-employed rather than insisting that immigrants have existing contracts, often for low-income jobs.
We need to streamline the process of legal immigration to enable skilled workers to enter the country without having to wait YEARS and spend THOUSANDS of dollars for attorneys to shepherd the process through all the spider webs of legal mumbo-jumbo.
We need to encourage the industrious, able, and willing to participate in this great country instead of making immigration a completely frightening experience.
We, as a country, need to get over discrimination against people who are not English-speaking White people. Every immigrant group admitted in the past consisted of people who were "different" in some way from the people who were already here. Different is good! This diversity is what makes America such a wonderful mosaic of people.

by: WaveTossed

03-19-2010 @ 3:11pm

Actually, we do need many of the unskilled workers as well as the skilled workers. Immigration should be handled mainly as a free-market concern. There are American employers who wish to hire workers legally and immigrants who wish to work legally for these employers.

The government's role should only be to weed out possible criminals, terrorists, etc. Other than that, the government should stay out.

by: WaveTossed

03-19-2010 @ 3:08pm

http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=8255

[Excerpt]"Large-scale illegal immigration will end only when America's immigration system offers a legal alternative. When given the choice of paying a smuggler $2,000, risking robbery and death in the desert, and living a shadowy existence in the underground U.S. economy, unable to leave and return freely to visit home, or entering the United States through a port of entry with legal documents, enjoying the full responsibility and protection of the law, and the freedom to visit home without fear of being denied re-entry, the large majority of potential entrants will chose the legal path."

by: WaveTossed

03-19-2010 @ 3:04pm

"We need reform, but not a free pass to citizenship to those in the country illegally."

So instead of "less-government", we need more government?

Read the free-market solution here, one of the Cato Institute's many enlightening articles:

http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=8255

[Excerpt]"Large-scale illegal immigration will end only when America's immigration system offers a legal alternative. When given the choice of paying a smuggler $2,000, risking robbery and death in the desert, and living a shadowy existence in the underground U.S. economy, unable to leave and return freely to visit home, or entering the United States through a port of entry with legal documents, enjoying the full responsibility and protection of the law, and the freedom to visit home without fear of being denied re-entry, the large majority of potential entrants will chose the legal path."

by: Patriot304

03-22-2010 @ 3:42am

I'm praying for immigration enforcement and secure borders. And hopefully a little, no make that a LOT, of E-Verify thrown in for good measure.

by: Peregrino2010

03-19-2010 @ 4:02pm

This ability to refer to the birth of babys as an "anchor baby scheme" illustrates the obscene degree to which our brothers and sisters in Christ are dehumanized in anti-immigrant discourse. I would not refer to your children solely as "tax deduction schemes", nor you mine, I hope.

We need to ask where this fear and hatred leads.

Remember, this is a faith-based site. You can expect your postings to be evaluated by a faith-based metric:
17 Do not deprive the alien or the fatherless of justice, or take the cloak of the widow as a pledge. 18 Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and the LORD your God redeemed you from there. That is why I command you to do this.
Deuteronomy 24:17-18 (NIV)

by: iview

03-20-2010 @ 7:25am

Our 'household' referred to in 1 Tim 5:8, is those to whom we are first responsible, our closest neighbors, unjustly suffering in our land and in our neighborhoods and on our streets. We are cruel hypocrites if we choose to be blind to our Christian duty to remedy this national disgrace.

The world is watching, but much more importantly, God is watching.

Internationally, for this heartlessness, our nation stands condemned, as those who deny this shameful reality may also be eternally condemned on Judgement Day.

by: TN_Horseman

03-18-2010 @ 6:37pm

Immigration reform is needed but it needs to be more than a method by which millions of people who have disregarded our existing laws are placed ahead of those who have played by the rules and are still waiting to become citizens. When you break laws you should be prepared to accept unpleasant circumstances.

My daughter-in-law came to this country as a 4th grader (her parents remained in Taiwan) is now 30 and married to my son. She applied for citizenship 3 years ago and still has not had her first interview. When the system is reformed to handle those like her than I'll be ready to support some way to deal with those who have ignored the laws of this nation.

by: iview

03-19-2010 @ 6:47am

We are fast depleting our remaining vital resources, so unless we are prepared to adopt an inevitable and ever-diminishing standard of living for our children to inherit, it's long past time to close the borders to all immigration, for the sake of our children's future.

The morally misguided outlook is to do what makes us feel good about ourselves, falsely congratulating each other on our great compassion, while ignoring the negative consequences our actions cause future generations. That sinister path is the way of delusion, hypocrisy and blatant selfishness. The Christian way should be to direct major resources to enable the millions of poverty stricken souls who are barely surviving on our streets to rebuild their lives and share the bounty of God's love. This situation is a shameful and disgraceful national evil that demands immediate Christian attention. Compassion starts at home.

by: jurisnaturalist

03-19-2010 @ 6:20am

Wallis advocates immigration reform, but he is incredibly nebulous as to what the content of that reform should be. It is quite likely that immigration be brought to the floor of congress and that a new bill be passed even worse than the present legislation.
Here is what Christians should be offering, and it involves personal sacrifice:
We advocate a fresh bill in Congress which eliminates immigration quotas from nations currently in distress and populations currently under oppression.
We further volunteer to take full responsibility for the needs of these immigrants ourselves, through the church, so that not a penny of taxpayer dollars be expended on them, including healthcare, welfare, and other social safety-net programs.
Also, we advocate the removal of minimum wage laws which would prevent new immigrants from finding gainful employment and contributing to society upon their arrival.
Finally, we advocate the lifting of rent control laws which reduce the incentives for developers to build low-income housing, preferring to build mega-McMansions instead. If rent control laws was eliminated developers would return to urban centers providing frugal but durable and decent housing for urban dwellers, among whom many of the refugee immigrants would abide.
Nathanael Snow
ndsnow@gmail.com

by: Patriot304

03-20-2010 @ 10:15pm

Immigraton reform? How about a little immigration enforcement? Secure the borders. Stem the flow of illegals. Implement E-Verify to prohibit those who are not eligible to work in this country from gaining employment. No jobs, fewer illegals. Once we get a handle on the illegal element and get all the 'backlog' in the INS cleared out then we can talk reform. And until then there should be a moratorium on ALL immigration!

by: WaveTossed

03-18-2010 @ 9:31pm

"Immigration reform is needed but it needs to be more than a method by which millions of people who have disregarded our existing laws are placed ahead of those who have played by the rules and are still waiting to become citizens."

This is absolutely not true. I've heard this, about "illegals" getting ahead of legal people. None of this is based upon fact.

The truth is that the huge backlog at the INS is causing the logjam that prevents people from immigrating legally.

It's also interfering with the free market. Immigrants want to work and there are employers who want them to come to work legally. Strange that some of the so-called "small government" people want a big, huge government when it comes to immigration.

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by: TN_Horseman

03-18-2010 @ 6:37pm

Immigration reform is needed but it needs to be more than a method by which millions of people who have disregarded our existing laws are placed ahead of those who have played by the rules and are still waiting to become citizens. When you break laws you should be prepared to accept unpleasant circumstances.

My daughter-in-law came to this country as a 4th grader (her parents remained in Taiwan) is now 30 and married to my son. She applied for citizenship 3 years ago and still has not had her first interview. When the system is reformed to handle those like her than I'll be ready to support some way to deal with those who have ignored the laws of this nation.

by: jurisnaturalist

03-20-2010 @ 12:44am

Who is "our?" Why the nationalism? I Tim 5:8 is great in regards to caring for your household. But then ask "Who is my neighbor?"

by: WaveTossed

03-21-2010 @ 8:45pm

"Doesn't the legal path take many years?"

Yes, it does. That's because there is a huge backlog. The INS needs to implement policies and hire staff to elminate this backlog.

However, there is very little political will to do so. We have the anti-immigrant people (who sometimes say they're only anti-"illegal" immgrant, but they are against all immigration). Then we have the employers (including organized crime) who like things the way that they are, with an entire pool of compliant workers that they can exploit with impunity.

by: WaveTossed

03-18-2010 @ 9:31pm

"Immigration reform is needed but it needs to be more than a method by which millions of people who have disregarded our existing laws are placed ahead of those who have played by the rules and are still waiting to become citizens."

This is absolutely not true. I've heard this, about "illegals" getting ahead of legal people. None of this is based upon fact.

The truth is that the huge backlog at the INS is causing the logjam that prevents people from immigrating legally.

It's also interfering with the free market. Immigrants want to work and there are employers who want them to come to work legally. Strange that some of the so-called "small government" people want a big, huge government when it comes to immigration.

by: WaveTossed

03-18-2010 @ 9:31pm

"Immigration reform is needed but it needs to be more than a method by which millions of people who have disregarded our existing laws are placed ahead of those who have played by the rules and are still waiting to become citizens."

This is absolutely not true. I've heard this, about "illegals" getting ahead of legal people. None of this is based upon fact.

The truth is that the huge backlog at the INS is causing the logjam that prevents people from immigrating legally.

It's also interfering with the free market. Immigrants want to work and there are employers who want them to come to work legally. Strange that some of the so-called "small government" people want a big, huge government when it comes to immigration.

by: avflf

03-18-2010 @ 9:47pm

I'm all for keeping families together ... send them all back from whence they came

by: NC77

03-18-2010 @ 10:38pm

I have heard of illegals that come here looking for a better life, only to wind up in situtions that border on slavery. The have no legal recourse (or are afraid to pursue it) because they are not here legally. The employers that employ them illegally get a great deal with cheap labor and definately do not want to turn themselves in for breaking labor laws. It is a no win situation for illegals.

We need reform, but not a free pass to citizenship to those in the country illegally.

by: NC77

03-18-2010 @ 10:38pm

I have heard of illegals that come here looking for a better life, only to wind up in situtions that border on slavery. The have no legal recourse (or are afraid to pursue it) because they are not here legally. The employers that employ them illegally get a great deal with cheap labor and definately do not want to turn themselves in for breaking labor laws. It is a no win situation for illegals.

We need reform, but not a free pass to citizenship to those in the country illegally.

by: MommaN

03-19-2010 @ 12:01am

"This is absolutely not true. I've heard this, about "illegals" getting ahead of legal people. None of this is based upon fact. "

Perhaps this is not based in fact, I am referring from knowledge I have from a few friends struggling with the INS right now and some old research, but I believe that we allow higher numbers of immigrants from Mexico and SA nations than European, African, and Asian nations. Basically, under current laws, people from SA get "priority" over Asian, African and European (this is, of course, referring to non-skilled worker immigrants, not to skilled workers who get first priority). This is where the concept that people who enter illegally get priority comes from, because someone from SA who entered illegally may have an easier time obtaining citizenship than someone who entered legally and then ran into issues that jeopardized their legal status.

by: johnwohlberg

03-19-2010 @ 12:18am

It is not the government, courts, police, etc. that is causing problems for the illegals. It is the parents, relatives, friends and any others that facilitated their coming here. My mother taught me that if I did something wrong I had to take responsibilty.

Perhaps those that wish to employ them should go with them to what they commonly refer to as "my country."

Maybe demonstrations should be held in their countries of origin to correct the conditions that may have caused them to flee.

by: johnwohlberg

03-19-2010 @ 12:18am

It is not the government, courts, police, etc. that is causing problems for the illegals. It is the parents, relatives, friends and any others that facilitated their coming here. My mother taught me that if I did something wrong I had to take responsibilty.

Perhaps those that wish to employ them should go with them to what they commonly refer to as "my country."

Maybe demonstrations should be held in their countries of origin to correct the conditions that may have caused them to flee.

by: freshfoodnancy

03-19-2010 @ 12:40am

Thanks, Sojourners, for your eloquent call to the kind of compassion that Jesus called for. I believe that we must treat all people as Jesus would have.
The companies who break the law by hiring illegals and then treating them like slaves should be held responsible for their actions, but the poor and helpless should not be treated like criminals.

by: freshfoodnancy

03-19-2010 @ 12:40am

Thanks, Sojourners, for your eloquent call to the kind of compassion that Jesus called for. I believe that we must treat all people as Jesus would have.
The companies who break the law by hiring illegals and then treating them like slaves should be held responsible for their actions, but the poor and helpless should not be treated like criminals.

by: jurisnaturalist

03-19-2010 @ 6:20am

Wallis advocates immigration reform, but he is incredibly nebulous as to what the content of that reform should be. It is quite likely that immigration be brought to the floor of congress and that a new bill be passed even worse than the present legislation.
Here is what Christians should be offering, and it involves personal sacrifice:
We advocate a fresh bill in Congress which eliminates immigration quotas from nations currently in distress and populations currently under oppression.
We further volunteer to take full responsibility for the needs of these immigrants ourselves, through the church, so that not a penny of taxpayer dollars be expended on them, including healthcare, welfare, and other social safety-net programs.
Also, we advocate the removal of minimum wage laws which would prevent new immigrants from finding gainful employment and contributing to society upon their arrival.
Finally, we advocate the lifting of rent control laws which reduce the incentives for developers to build low-income housing, preferring to build mega-McMansions instead. If rent control laws was eliminated developers would return to urban centers providing frugal but durable and decent housing for urban dwellers, among whom many of the refugee immigrants would abide.
Nathanael Snow
ndsnow@gmail.com

by: jurisnaturalist

03-19-2010 @ 6:20am

Wallis advocates immigration reform, but he is incredibly nebulous as to what the content of that reform should be. It is quite likely that immigration be brought to the floor of congress and that a new bill be passed even worse than the present legislation.
Here is what Christians should be offering, and it involves personal sacrifice:
We advocate a fresh bill in Congress which eliminates immigration quotas from nations currently in distress and populations currently under oppression.
We further volunteer to take full responsibility for the needs of these immigrants ourselves, through the church, so that not a penny of taxpayer dollars be expended on them, including healthcare, welfare, and other social safety-net programs.
Also, we advocate the removal of minimum wage laws which would prevent new immigrants from finding gainful employment and contributing to society upon their arrival.
Finally, we advocate the lifting of rent control laws which reduce the incentives for developers to build low-income housing, preferring to build mega-McMansions instead. If rent control laws was eliminated developers would return to urban centers providing frugal but durable and decent housing for urban dwellers, among whom many of the refugee immigrants would abide.
Nathanael Snow
ndsnow@gmail.com

by: iview

03-19-2010 @ 6:47am

We are fast depleting our remaining vital resources, so unless we are prepared to adopt an inevitable and ever-diminishing standard of living for our children to inherit, it's long past time to close the borders to all immigration, for the sake of our children's future.

The morally misguided outlook is to do what makes us feel good about ourselves, falsely congratulating each other on our great compassion, while ignoring the negative consequences our actions cause future generations. That sinister path is the way of delusion, hypocrisy and blatant selfishness. The Christian way should be to direct major resources to enable the millions of poverty stricken souls who are barely surviving on our streets to rebuild their lives and share the bounty of God's love. This situation is a shameful and disgraceful national evil that demands immediate Christian attention. Compassion starts at home.

by: iview

03-19-2010 @ 6:47am

We are fast depleting our remaining vital resources, so unless we are prepared to adopt an inevitable and ever-diminishing standard of living for our children to inherit, it's long past time to close the borders to all immigration, for the sake of our children's future.

The morally misguided outlook is to do what makes us feel good about ourselves, falsely congratulating each other on our great compassion, while ignoring the negative consequences our actions cause future generations. That sinister path is the way of delusion, hypocrisy and blatant selfishness. The Christian way should be to direct major resources to enable the millions of poverty stricken souls who are barely surviving on our streets to rebuild their lives and share the bounty of God's love. This situation is a shameful and disgraceful national evil that demands immediate Christian attention. Compassion starts at home.

by: Dan Borden

03-19-2010 @ 12:50pm

Immigration reform is desperately needed. Stop giving preference to unskilled workers, eliminate the anchor baby scheme, and make it easier for highly-skilled scientists and engineers which are desperately needed in the US of A. Finish building the fence and if necessary, bring in the National Guard to enforce the border laws.

by: Dan Borden

03-19-2010 @ 12:50pm

Immigration reform is desperately needed. Stop giving preference to unskilled workers, eliminate the anchor baby scheme, and make it easier for highly-skilled scientists and engineers which are desperately needed in the US of A. Finish building the fence and if necessary, bring in the National Guard to enforce the border laws.

by: WaveTossed

03-19-2010 @ 3:04pm

"We need reform, but not a free pass to citizenship to those in the country illegally."

So instead of "less-government", we need more government?

Read the free-market solution here, one of the Cato Institute's many enlightening articles:

http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=8255

[Excerpt]"Large-scale illegal immigration will end only when America's immigration system offers a legal alternative. When given the choice of paying a smuggler $2,000, risking robbery and death in the desert, and living a shadowy existence in the underground U.S. economy, unable to leave and return freely to visit home, or entering the United States through a port of entry with legal documents, enjoying the full responsibility and protection of the law, and the freedom to visit home without fear of being denied re-entry, the large majority of potential entrants will chose the legal path."

by: WaveTossed

03-19-2010 @ 3:04pm

"We need reform, but not a free pass to citizenship to those in the country illegally."

So instead of "less-government", we need more government?

Read the free-market solution here, one of the Cato Institute's many enlightening articles:

http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=8255

[Excerpt]"Large-scale illegal immigration will end only when America's immigration system offers a legal alternative. When given the choice of paying a smuggler $2,000, risking robbery and death in the desert, and living a shadowy existence in the underground U.S. economy, unable to leave and return freely to visit home, or entering the United States through a port of entry with legal documents, enjoying the full responsibility and protection of the law, and the freedom to visit home without fear of being denied re-entry, the large majority of potential entrants will chose the legal path."

by: WaveTossed

03-19-2010 @ 3:08pm

http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=8255

[Excerpt]"Large-scale illegal immigration will end only when America's immigration system offers a legal alternative. When given the choice of paying a smuggler $2,000, risking robbery and death in the desert, and living a shadowy existence in the underground U.S. economy, unable to leave and return freely to visit home, or entering the United States through a port of entry with legal documents, enjoying the full responsibility and protection of the law, and the freedom to visit home without fear of being denied re-entry, the large majority of potential entrants will chose the legal path."

by: WaveTossed

03-19-2010 @ 3:08pm

http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=8255

[Excerpt]"Large-scale illegal immigration will end only when America's immigration system offers a legal alternative. When given the choice of paying a smuggler $2,000, risking robbery and death in the desert, and living a shadowy existence in the underground U.S. economy, unable to leave and return freely to visit home, or entering the United States through a port of entry with legal documents, enjoying the full responsibility and protection of the law, and the freedom to visit home without fear of being denied re-entry, the large majority of potential entrants will chose the legal path."

by: WaveTossed

03-19-2010 @ 3:11pm

Actually, we do need many of the unskilled workers as well as the skilled workers. Immigration should be handled mainly as a free-market concern. There are American employers who wish to hire workers legally and immigrants who wish to work legally for these employers.

The government's role should only be to weed out possible criminals, terrorists, etc. Other than that, the government should stay out.

by: WaveTossed

03-19-2010 @ 3:11pm

Actually, we do need many of the unskilled workers as well as the skilled workers. Immigration should be handled mainly as a free-market concern. There are American employers who wish to hire workers legally and immigrants who wish to work legally for these employers.

The government's role should only be to weed out possible criminals, terrorists, etc. Other than that, the government should stay out.

by: Peregrino2010

03-19-2010 @ 4:02pm

This ability to refer to the birth of babys as an "anchor baby scheme" illustrates the obscene degree to which our brothers and sisters in Christ are dehumanized in anti-immigrant discourse. I would not refer to your children solely as "tax deduction schemes", nor you mine, I hope.

We need to ask where this fear and hatred leads.

Remember, this is a faith-based site. You can expect your postings to be evaluated by a faith-based metric:
17 Do not deprive the alien or the fatherless of justice, or take the cloak of the widow as a pledge. 18 Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and the LORD your God redeemed you from there. That is why I command you to do this.
Deuteronomy 24:17-18 (NIV)

by: Peregrino2010

03-19-2010 @ 4:02pm

This ability to refer to the birth of babys as an "anchor baby scheme" illustrates the obscene degree to which our brothers and sisters in Christ are dehumanized in anti-immigrant discourse. I would not refer to your children solely as "tax deduction schemes", nor you mine, I hope.

We need to ask where this fear and hatred leads.

Remember, this is a faith-based site. You can expect your postings to be evaluated by a faith-based metric:
17 Do not deprive the alien or the fatherless of justice, or take the cloak of the widow as a pledge. 18 Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and the LORD your God redeemed you from there. That is why I command you to do this.
Deuteronomy 24:17-18 (NIV)

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by: NC77

03-19-2010 @ 9:17pm

Doesn't the legal path take many years? I don't think the people coming for whatever reason have the patience. So that is why they come over illegally. Didn't Bush propose a work program that would have helped immigrants come to the country to work and earn legal status? Wasn't that regected by both parties? Whatever the solution, no doubt special interests will be the driver.

by: judithod

03-19-2010 @ 10:21pm

Prayer should be for God's will to be done, not for the will of Jim Wallis and the Sojourners.

by: judithod

03-19-2010 @ 10:21pm

Prayer should be for God's will to be done, not for the will of Jim Wallis and the Sojourners.

by: tinkouse

03-19-2010 @ 11:52pm

I agree with your suggestions and would add a couple more:
We need to reform the criteria for legal immigration to include the entrepreneurs and self-employed rather than insisting that immigrants have existing contracts, often for low-income jobs.
We need to streamline the process of legal immigration to enable skilled workers to enter the country without having to wait YEARS and spend THOUSANDS of dollars for attorneys to shepherd the process through all the spider webs of legal mumbo-jumbo.
We need to encourage the industrious, able, and willing to participate in this great country instead of making immigration a completely frightening experience.
We, as a country, need to get over discrimination against people who are not English-speaking White people. Every immigrant group admitted in the past consisted of people who were "different" in some way from the people who were already here. Different is good! This diversity is what makes America such a wonderful mosaic of people.

by: tinkouse

03-19-2010 @ 11:52pm

I agree with your suggestions and would add a couple more:
We need to reform the criteria for legal immigration to include the entrepreneurs and self-employed rather than insisting that immigrants have existing contracts, often for low-income jobs.
We need to streamline the process of legal immigration to enable skilled workers to enter the country without having to wait YEARS and spend THOUSANDS of dollars for attorneys to shepherd the process through all the spider webs of legal mumbo-jumbo.
We need to encourage the industrious, able, and willing to participate in this great country instead of making immigration a completely frightening experience.
We, as a country, need to get over discrimination against people who are not English-speaking White people. Every immigrant group admitted in the past consisted of people who were "different" in some way from the people who were already here. Different is good! This diversity is what makes America such a wonderful mosaic of people.

by: jurisnaturalist

03-20-2010 @ 12:26am

Because Jesus clearly indicates that your children's future is more important than other people's children's futures. How arrogant and selfish! How cowardly, and unwilling to face competition! And how short-sighted regarding the real way wealth is generated: through gains from trade.

by: jurisnaturalist

03-20-2010 @ 12:26am

Because Jesus clearly indicates that your children's future is more important than other people's children's futures. How arrogant and selfish! How cowardly, and unwilling to face competition! And how short-sighted regarding the real way wealth is generated: through gains from trade.

by: iview

03-20-2010 @ 12:30am

Fellow Christians, for Jesus' sake, look to our own millions of suffering poor, so many dying homeless on our streets, before selfishly indulging in "I-feel-good-about myself-because-I'm-so-compassionate-towards-immigrants".

By the promotion of continuing immigration that burdens our country's finite resources and tax revenues, you will inevitably create more poverty and reduce the standard of living for all future generations.

'But if anyone does not provide for his relatives, and especially for members of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.' (1 Timothy 5:8)

by: iview

03-20-2010 @ 12:30am

Fellow Christians, for Jesus' sake, look to our own millions of suffering poor, so many dying homeless on our streets, before selfishly indulging in "I-feel-good-about myself-because-I'm-so-compassionate-towards-immigrants".

By the promotion of continuing immigration that burdens our country's finite resources and tax revenues, you will inevitably create more poverty and reduce the standard of living for all future generations.

'But if anyone does not provide for his relatives, and especially for members of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.' (1 Timothy 5:8)

by: jurisnaturalist

03-20-2010 @ 12:44am

Who is "our?" Why the nationalism? I Tim 5:8 is great in regards to caring for your household. But then ask "Who is my neighbor?"

by: iview

03-20-2010 @ 7:25am

Our 'household' referred to in 1 Tim 5:8, is those to whom we are first responsible, our closest neighbors, unjustly suffering in our land and in our neighborhoods and on our streets. We are cruel hypocrites if we choose to be blind to our Christian duty to remedy this national disgrace.

The world is watching, but much more importantly, God is watching.

Internationally, for this heartlessness, our nation stands condemned, as those who deny this shameful reality may also be eternally condemned on Judgement Day.

by: iview

03-20-2010 @ 7:25am

Our 'household' referred to in 1 Tim 5:8, is those to whom we are first responsible, our closest neighbors, unjustly suffering in our land and in our neighborhoods and on our streets. We are cruel hypocrites if we choose to be blind to our Christian duty to remedy this national disgrace.

The world is watching, but much more importantly, God is watching.

Internationally, for this heartlessness, our nation stands condemned, as those who deny this shameful reality may also be eternally condemned on Judgement Day.

by: Patriot304

03-20-2010 @ 10:15pm

Immigraton reform? How about a little immigration enforcement? Secure the borders. Stem the flow of illegals. Implement E-Verify to prohibit those who are not eligible to work in this country from gaining employment. No jobs, fewer illegals. Once we get a handle on the illegal element and get all the 'backlog' in the INS cleared out then we can talk reform. And until then there should be a moratorium on ALL immigration!

by: Patriot304

03-20-2010 @ 10:15pm

Immigraton reform? How about a little immigration enforcement? Secure the borders. Stem the flow of illegals. Implement E-Verify to prohibit those who are not eligible to work in this country from gaining employment. No jobs, fewer illegals. Once we get a handle on the illegal element and get all the 'backlog' in the INS cleared out then we can talk reform. And until then there should be a moratorium on ALL immigration!

by: WaveTossed

03-21-2010 @ 8:45pm

"Doesn't the legal path take many years?"

Yes, it does. That's because there is a huge backlog. The INS needs to implement policies and hire staff to elminate this backlog.

However, there is very little political will to do so. We have the anti-immigrant people (who sometimes say they're only anti-"illegal" immgrant, but they are against all immigration). Then we have the employers (including organized crime) who like things the way that they are, with an entire pool of compliant workers that they can exploit with impunity.

by: Patriot304

03-22-2010 @ 3:42am

I'm praying for immigration enforcement and secure borders. And hopefully a little, no make that a LOT, of E-Verify thrown in for good measure.

by: Patriot304

03-22-2010 @ 3:42am

I'm praying for immigration enforcement and secure borders. And hopefully a little, no make that a LOT, of E-Verify thrown in for good measure.

by: JHerrick79

03-23-2010 @ 2:15pm

The 'splitting families' dilemma happens when families don't all "come from" the same place. When children are born here, and grow up here their whole lives, they are "from the USA," even though their parents might be from someplace else. Are you proposing we deport US citizens?

by: JHerrick79

03-23-2010 @ 2:15pm

The 'splitting families' dilemma happens when families don't all "come from" the same place. When children are born here, and grow up here their whole lives, they are "from the USA," even though their parents might be from someplace else. Are you proposing we deport US citizens?

by: avflf

03-23-2010 @ 5:45pm

Only those who show split loyalty and the so-called US citizens that show sympathy towards law-breakers, regardless where they were born.

by: avflf

03-23-2010 @ 5:45pm

Only those who show split loyalty and the so-called US citizens that show sympathy towards law-breakers, regardless where they were born.

by: TN_Horseman

03-18-2010 @ 6:37pm

Immigration reform is needed but it needs to be more than a method by which millions of people who have disregarded our existing laws are placed ahead of those who have played by the rules and are still waiting to become citizens. When you break laws you should be prepared to accept unpleasant circumstances.

My daughter-in-law came to this country as a 4th grader (her parents remained in Taiwan) is now 30 and married to my son. She applied for citizenship 3 years ago and still has not had her first interview. When the system is reformed to handle those like her than I'll be ready to support some way to deal with those who have ignored the laws of this nation.