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While we witness crowds gathering in the name of the Boston Tea Party protest against taxes, I wonder if people in the crowd remember why Great Britain levied so many taxes on goods consumed by people in the American colonies. The answer: war.

The Seven Years War (1756-1763) was an 18th century world war. It was the first conflict waged across the globe. France, Austria, Saxony, Sweden, and Russia were allied against Prussia, Hanover, and Great Britain. The war became primarily a contest between France and England over colonial territory outside of Europe. The French-Indian War was the North American theater of the conflict.

This struggle would decide whether the upper Ohio River Valley was part of the British Empire or whether it would belong to France. The population was largely British, but France controlled the trade. The war went badly for Britain until 1757 when William Pitt, the Elder, poured more resources into the war. Britain's financial power, food supplies, and navel power defeated an economically weak France. North America east of the Mississippi River became uncontested British territory.

However, it was a Pyrrhic victory. The war nearly doubled Britain's national debt. To pay the debt, it levied taxes. The tax on tea along with laws that gave a near monopoly on selling tea to the East India Company led to the Boston Tea Party. The perceived monopoly caused American business people to form an alliance with the radical Sons of Liberty who wanted American independence. Britain sent troops to North America to support its colonial administrators and to keep order in the face of a nascent rebellion.

If today's Tea Party activists want to be true to the spirit of the Boston Tea Party, then their concerns ought to reach beyond anti-taxes , anti-government, anti-deficit, anti-health reform, anti-Obama rhetoric. Our current national debt exists in large part because of our wars. The Bush administration decided that an appropriate response to the 9/11 attacks was a "war on terror" that required the United States to send its forces into Afghanistan and Iraq. Congress did not raise taxes to pay for the war.

Further, government deregulation of the nation's financial sector led to an economic crisis that required government spending to keep a weak economy from falling into depression. Is there a Tea Party activist who would trade a severe recession for a depression? Meanwhile, some hedge fund managers are making billions of dollars in profits even in the midst of the worst economic downturn since the Great Depression. People who are interested in bringing down the federal deficit ought to advocate more taxes upon such profits.

If history teaches us anything, it teaches that wars cost lives and cause a nation's treasury to hemorrhage. While we fight wars, a nation still needs to provide basic services and a social safety net. The Tea Party people ought to add anti-war to all the other things they are against.

Dr. Valerie Elverton Dixon is an independent scholar who publishes lectures and essays at JustPeaceTheory.com. She received her Ph.D. in religion and society from Temple University and taught Christian ethics at United Theological Seminary and Andover Newton Theological School.

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by: WaveTossed

04-20-2010 @ 3:23am

"Presidencies and leadership are always very constrained by very hard realities."

You have a point. Obama wants to end "don't ask, don't tell." But there is still some very influential opposition to ending DADT, even though polls show that the American public supports ending DADT and allowing gays to serve openly.

As to foreign policy: What some of the anti-war libertarians call "The War Party" (another name for the Military-Industrial Complex) still has tremendous influence on our foreign policy. Bush pushed us hard to invade Iraq after 9/11; there is evidence that he planned to invade Iraq all along, even before he was elected. Unfortunately, 8 years of momentum along that line of action has made it very hard to change course for peace. This is quite unforunate.

I still think that there needs to be a true anti-war push on the part of anti-war people.

by: john316

04-16-2010 @ 2:11pm

No Dr. Dixon, you simply don't understand. The Tea Party does not oppose these wars because they ensure the flow of cheap oil into the United States. As former Secretary of State James Baker stated about the first Gulf War, "It's all about oil..."

Granted that Afghanistan is not a major oil exporter, but that war would have long been over long ago if Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld had not invaded Iraq.

by: letjusticerolldown

04-17-2010 @ 12:14pm

I wonder, if on April 15, the tax protest took the form of not paying war taxes on our personal income returns, how many Tea Partiers would have shown up for that action.

How many will return their refunds to the IRS? How many will return their Social Security checks?

I'm all for someone getting all this stuff under control that I don't control. I'm against getting under control the stuff I do control.

Maybe the Washington problem is in my bathroom mirror.

by: scat

04-20-2010 @ 3:35am

Wavetossed --"I still think that there needs to be a true anti-war push on the part of anti-war people"

You are right. With so much division in this country, some of just for the sake of being against what the other guy wants, those who are anti-war need to get behind the President's efforts. It has to be loud and it has to be constant. I'm old enough to remember the anti-war movement of the sixties and seventies. It was nasty but it succeeded. Without the draft, it seems the young people just aren't that motivated.

by: letjusticerolldown

04-17-2010 @ 12:08pm

"I thought he would end these wars. "

On what basis did you believe that????

by: letjusticerolldown

04-17-2010 @ 12:06pm

"Wishing and hoping for peace is a good thing. But since man inhabits the world...wars will continue to be waged until the Lord himself comes back." tmurray

My neighborhood has lots of little gangsters running around with guns exhibiting human nature. Do you think it worth my time and life to nurture my children to lead lives of peace--or do I hand them a gun??

What does you observation that there will be wars until the Lord come back imply?? I presume from it that those whom represent this Lord would therefore be agents of peacemaking til he return. Is that your take?

by: letjusticerolldown

04-17-2010 @ 11:57am

"A distinction between the Bush wars and the current ones is that Bush started those wars." Ngchen

A worth distinction. However, the "who starts a war" is often as easy answer as "who started the marriage conflict that led to the divorce?"

So at some point we have to ask "Are we making war or making peace?" And that question is more a question to live than one with a definitive answer.

by: letjusticerolldown

04-20-2010 @ 10:52am

"I still think that there needs to be a true anti-war push on the part of anti-war people. "

Frankly, I would be happy if in five years our government could articulate, with the nation's backing, and with the UN's backing, a coherent, rational, just, sustainable, and fundable foreign policy in the Middle East that would be carried out over the next century.

It is the height of arrogance to think that part of the world ought be remade from its patterns and conflicts of centuries for the sake our comfort and convenience. And it is the height of irresponsibility to fail to note that the region is being changed from its patterns and conflicts with or without us; and that the nature of the world, oil economies, etc is intricately interwoven into the region; and to think we can simply withdraw involvement or project involvement without severe consequences (for better and worse), particularly for the weakest and most vulnerable.

by: tmurray

04-17-2010 @ 11:56am

Wishing and hoping for peace is a good thing. But since man inhabits the world...wars will continue to be waged until the Lord himself comes back.

by: joshua504079

04-18-2010 @ 8:12pm

I think the majority of tea partiers are pro "necessary" war. And in both cases of Afghanistan and Iraq, I feel like both were necessary. To stick with the "Christian" theme that this page has, most tea party members believe there are some forces in this world that are so evil, they must be defeated. Not negotiated with, not appeased, but rooted out. The same way God utilized the armies of David to eradicate evil, or perhaps Sampson, or Joshua, or when God swept Pharoah's armies into the Red Sea. Some evils in this world must be fought, and tea partiers feel Islamic Extremism, aka...terrorism, is one of those evils.

by: WaveTossed

04-16-2010 @ 2:49pm

An article by libertarian Rep. Ron Paul about the wars, showing his unequivocal anti-war stance:

http://original.antiwar.com/paul/2010/03/15/sup...

Other anti-war articles by those with a libertarian bent:

http://antiwar.com/

Unforunately, it seems that the Tea Party movement has been taken over by pro-war neo-cons. These are the same people who were completely silent when Bush was in his free-spending mode, sending zillions down the Black Holes in Bagdad and Kabul.

by: jurisnaturalist

04-16-2010 @ 2:45pm

A great many within the Tea-Party coalition are anti-war.
This coalition is Republican and Libertarian for the most part. It started more on the libertarian wing. Libertarians are just as likely to be anti-war as are liberals.
Libertarians may be anti-war because they are anti-state. They want smaller government in general, including military. They challenge the question, "What should the government do?" by asking, "Why should the government do it, if people can do the same things on their own?"
Nathanael Snow

by: histrogeek

04-16-2010 @ 2:26pm

OK, editorial hat on Dr. Dixon. It's "naval" not "navel" power, although I admit that the thought of belly button gives me a chuckle.

by: SamHamilton

04-17-2010 @ 2:44pm

A lot of people here are making claims about what the tea partiers think about war in general or specific wars, such as those in Iraq and Afghanistan, as if the each tea partier has exactly the same opinion on all these issues. Yet none of you are providing any data to back up your assertions. Has there been any polling to show what the average tea partier thinks about war or specific wars?

by: ley6224

04-16-2010 @ 3:44pm

"A great many within the Tea-Party coalition are anti-war."

This is simply not true. Libertarians may be anti-war, but the tea party movement is strongly NOT. They are strongly pro-war and pro-military, to the point of being blindly dogmatic.

by: ley6224

04-16-2010 @ 3:42pm

"The Tea Party does not oppose these wars because they ensure the flow of cheap oil into the United States."

Cheap oil? I think not. Trillions of dollars and far too many lives have been lost and destroyed to "secure" that oil. The price our country pays for that oil is exorbitant, we just don't think about it. That oil is anything but cheap!

by: WaveTossed

04-20-2010 @ 2:56pm

Take a look on this blog entry by libertarian Andrew Sullivan.

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily...

I disagree with means-testing on Social Security. If a person pays into the fund, then they are entitled to its benefits as much as anyone else.

Of course there are those who think that Social Security should be abolished and that people would thus have money to invest in private retirement plans. I have mixed feelings about this; my libertarian side says, "yes!" My pragmatic side says, "it ain't never gonna happen, so don't even think about it."

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by: WaveTossed

04-20-2010 @ 2:59pm

"Without the draft, it seems the young people just aren't that motivated."

True. When it's not your own butt getting shipped off to an unjust and unnecessary foreign war, then people are less motivated.

But I do find quite puzzling the love-affair that some progressives are now having with reinstating the draft. All of my inner resources scream out, "the draft is how the War Party can fight unjust and unnecessary foreign wars." Because that's what happened in Vietnam. Vietnam was made possible through a military draft. Ending the draft help to bring about an end to the war. Let's not make that same mistake; remember that it was mostly Dems who got us into Vietnam in the first place.

by: WaveTossed

04-19-2010 @ 10:36pm

"'[WT]"I thought he would end these wars. '"

"[LJRD]On what basis did you believe that????"

Obama promised to put an end to the Iraq war. I was naive in thinking that he would also work to bring an end to the Afghanistan war. I was wrong.

by: WaveTossed

04-19-2010 @ 10:34pm

"I am not sure that I agree with your premise. My gripe with the tea party movement and all the outrage over 'bankrupting America' is that I didn't hear the slightest grumble when the former administration spent billions of dollars each month on the 'war on terror'. Where was their outrage then??!! Where was the concern about 'bankrupting America' then??"

Excellent set of questions. These are some of the reasons why I am not participating in the Tea Party movement as it currently stands -- too many Bush-supporting neo-cons with their pro-war, pro-government-intrusion views.

by: WaveTossed

04-19-2010 @ 10:32pm

"The early Tea-Partiers were mostly from among the Ron Paul ranks. Unfortunately, the GOP smelled a money-maker, and bought the circus. Now it is mostly neo-con hawks. But there are still many Ron Paulers out there trying to speak to the Tea Party from within. It is a complex coalition which agrees on some issues, not others.
I never got involved, and at this point would not."

Same here, just for the reasons you listed.

I noticed that the gun rights rally (held today, April 19) was held independently from any of the Tea Party protests.

by: letjusticerolldown

04-19-2010 @ 11:55pm

"Obama promised to put an end to the Iraq war."

Did he really?? The tone of what he promised was a 'sea-change.' The content of what he promised seemed to me to essentially be the track Bush had set. But highlighting that was neither an interest of his nor of the media (boring storyline).

Presidencies and leadership are always very constrained by very hard realities. I feel, Obama, more than most politicians, has been willing to lay out hard issues and realities on the table and shoulder the responsibility of governing. But the nation and establishment does not want full responsibility. We don't truly want to face human impact on the Earth's climate, nuclear holocaust, global populations vs energy/food demands, global migrations, financial catastrophe, and just 'wanting what we want when we want it and the hell with everyone else."

Most of the political campaigns and public discourse about what ought be done is outside the parameters of what given leaders can actually act on in their positions given the overall shape of a very interdependent world.

by: hillbilly66

04-18-2010 @ 1:48am

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-5272036-...

There are lots more. Try googling "Cindy Sheehan and Obama"

by: hillbilly66

04-18-2010 @ 1:42am

I do not accept the inevitability of war, and I also believe that we should not commit our young men and women to any conflict if conflict can be avoided. Our intervention in Iraq clearly could have been avoided. They did not attack us; none of those involved in the 9/11 disaster were Iraqis, and the best result that we can hope for is that the evil regime that we disbanded will be replaced by an equally evil regime. (I write that because if the eventual government there is closely aligned with Iran, that will be a much worse situation than we faced with Saddam.)

If your personal interpretation of the Bible leads you to certain conclusions about world affairs, then of course that's between you and your God. But please don't insist that United States foreign policy be based on your interpretation of the Bible.

by: NC77

04-16-2010 @ 6:17pm

Why aren't all the anti-war protestors from the Bush presidency out protesting against the war now? Because Obama is president is war now OK? Where is Cindy Sheehan now? Where are the anti-war Code Pink organization now? Why aren't they picketing Obama speeches?

by: brianbrane

04-18-2010 @ 1:37pm

Defense spending is 20% of the federal budget. It is the federal government's major constitutional function, so it makes sense that it takes a big chunk of the budget. Social spending is 55% of the budget per http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=1258

Imagine how much good could be done with that 55% if it were going to private charities rather than through federal bureaucrats! To start this redirection, how about a 50% tax credit for charitable giving? That would give charities the funding they need to help the poor out of their plight. If the poverty rate starts declining then perhaps federal spending on programs that perpetuate the status quo can be eliminated.

by: WaveTossed

04-20-2010 @ 3:23am

"Presidencies and leadership are always very constrained by very hard realities."

You have a point. Obama wants to end "don't ask, don't tell." But there is still some very influential opposition to ending DADT, even though polls show that the American public supports ending DADT and allowing gays to serve openly.

As to foreign policy: What some of the anti-war libertarians call "The War Party" (another name for the Military-Industrial Complex) still has tremendous influence on our foreign policy. Bush pushed us hard to invade Iraq after 9/11; there is evidence that he planned to invade Iraq all along, even before he was elected. Unfortunately, 8 years of momentum along that line of action has made it very hard to change course for peace. This is quite unforunate.

I still think that there needs to be a true anti-war push on the part of anti-war people.

by: SamHamilton

04-18-2010 @ 5:21pm

For a view of the tea partiers, this article in the Washington Post is worth reading:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/ar...

The author, who says he disagrees with the tea partiers on about 95% of the issues, writes:

I went to the "tea party" rally at the Washington Monument on Thursday to check out just how reactionary and potentially violent the movement truly was.

Answer: Not very.

Based on what I saw and heard, tea party members are not seething, ready-to-explode racists, as some liberal commentators have caricatured them.

Let's all keep our heads on straight when talking about those we disagree with on policy issues.

by: scat

04-20-2010 @ 3:35am

Wavetossed --"I still think that there needs to be a true anti-war push on the part of anti-war people"

You are right. With so much division in this country, some of just for the sake of being against what the other guy wants, those who are anti-war need to get behind the President's efforts. It has to be loud and it has to be constant. I'm old enough to remember the anti-war movement of the sixties and seventies. It was nasty but it succeeded. Without the draft, it seems the young people just aren't that motivated.

by: NC77

04-16-2010 @ 6:40pm

Thank you so much for a straightforward answer. So you were for Ron Paul? I would have voted for him if he were on the ballot. Neither of the two major parties has put up much to be desired over the last several decades.

by: WaveTossed

04-16-2010 @ 6:25pm

"Why aren't all the anti-war protestors from the Bush presidency out protesting against the war now? Because Obama is president is war now OK? Where is Cindy Sheehan now? Where are the anti-war Code Pink organization now? Why aren't they picketing Obama speeches?"

Excellent questions. Many of us in the antiwar movement are unhappy that the movement has faded with the election of Obama. I voted for Obama (after Ron Paul dropped out) because I thought he would end these wars. Many writers on the libertarian antiwar site http://antiwar.com/ gave out their warnings that the "War Party" would still carry its influence, straight from the Bush administration into the Obama administration. They were CORRECT.

Being antiwar is one of many reasons why I am a registered independent, not either a Repub or Dem.

by: WaveTossed

04-16-2010 @ 6:21pm

"A great many within the Tea-Party coalition are anti-war."

Actually no. Most of the Tea Party people are pro-war and believe in "American Exceptionalism" i.e. the U.S. has the "right" to go and trample over other countries' sovreignty and wage pre-emptive war because supposedly the U.S. is more "moral" than other countries. In other words, most people who believe in "American Exceptionalism" believe that the U.S. government should set themselves up as the Morality Thought Police of the World. This is basic neo-con ideology, not libertarian ideology.

by: letjusticerolldown

04-20-2010 @ 10:52am

"I still think that there needs to be a true anti-war push on the part of anti-war people. "

Frankly, I would be happy if in five years our government could articulate, with the nation's backing, and with the UN's backing, a coherent, rational, just, sustainable, and fundable foreign policy in the Middle East that would be carried out over the next century.

It is the height of arrogance to think that part of the world ought be remade from its patterns and conflicts of centuries for the sake our comfort and convenience. And it is the height of irresponsibility to fail to note that the region is being changed from its patterns and conflicts with or without us; and that the nature of the world, oil economies, etc is intricately interwoven into the region; and to think we can simply withdraw involvement or project involvement without severe consequences (for better and worse), particularly for the weakest and most vulnerable.

by: john316

04-16-2010 @ 2:11pm

No Dr. Dixon, you simply don't understand. The Tea Party does not oppose these wars because they ensure the flow of cheap oil into the United States. As former Secretary of State James Baker stated about the first Gulf War, "It's all about oil..."

Granted that Afghanistan is not a major oil exporter, but that war would have long been over long ago if Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld had not invaded Iraq.

by: DJ9791

04-16-2010 @ 7:10pm

We are independent voters because neither governing party has offered real leadership when it comes to ending our military adventures, as well as many other issues. I've been closely involved with several Tea Party members and find, unfortunately, that they are strong supporters of our continued military operations whenever "freedom" in threatened, of American "exceptionalism", and offer nothing which suggests they are anti-war. The only "anti-" in their thinking is that they are strongly against anyone who disagrees with them. Particularly disturbing is their tendency to view problem-solving as largely a factor of who is the best-armed, and that thoughtful discussion is "elitism", an attitude encouraged by their "leadership"; Beck, Palin, Coulter, Limbaugh and others.

Not all in the Tea Party are like these folks, to be sure. But until these people stop behaving like schooyard bullies who exhibit strong racial bias, who depend largely on threats and intimidation to express their views, and begin to offer meaningful ideas on how we should govern our nation, we will view the Tea Party as largely a tool of the neo-cons.

Our nation needs our prayers, and none more than the troubled members of the Tea Party!

by: Ngchen

04-16-2010 @ 7:04pm

A distinction between the Bush wars and the current ones is that Bush started those wars. Apparently Obama is trying to wind them up, albeit he's doing it at a pace that quite a few people deem to be too slow. Nevertheless, there is a world of difference between starting wars, and trying to end the ones started by one's predecessor.

by: Ngchen

04-16-2010 @ 7:02pm

A great many within the Tea-Party coalition are anti-war.

Interestingly, we have not heard many, if any, anti-war voices from the Tea party thus far. Is it simply because they lack a good spokesperson?

by: Ngchen

04-16-2010 @ 7:00pm

While oil does have a lot to do with war, a point that is often forgotten is that oil is a commodity. As such, the oil sellers need buyers just as much as buyers need sellers. Therefore, it's generally true that he who has the money to pay for oil will get it, war or no war. So war for oil is not only immoral, but also impractical.

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by: joshua504079

04-18-2010 @ 8:12pm

I think the majority of tea partiers are pro "necessary" war. And in both cases of Afghanistan and Iraq, I feel like both were necessary. To stick with the "Christian" theme that this page has, most tea party members believe there are some forces in this world that are so evil, they must be defeated. Not negotiated with, not appeased, but rooted out. The same way God utilized the armies of David to eradicate evil, or perhaps Sampson, or Joshua, or when God swept Pharoah's armies into the Red Sea. Some evils in this world must be fought, and tea partiers feel Islamic Extremism, aka...terrorism, is one of those evils.

by: WaveTossed

04-16-2010 @ 2:49pm

An article by libertarian Rep. Ron Paul about the wars, showing his unequivocal anti-war stance:

http://original.antiwar.com/paul/2010/03/15/sup...

Other anti-war articles by those with a libertarian bent:

http://antiwar.com/

Unforunately, it seems that the Tea Party movement has been taken over by pro-war neo-cons. These are the same people who were completely silent when Bush was in his free-spending mode, sending zillions down the Black Holes in Bagdad and Kabul.

by: jurisnaturalist

04-16-2010 @ 2:45pm

A great many within the Tea-Party coalition are anti-war.
This coalition is Republican and Libertarian for the most part. It started more on the libertarian wing. Libertarians are just as likely to be anti-war as are liberals.
Libertarians may be anti-war because they are anti-state. They want smaller government in general, including military. They challenge the question, "What should the government do?" by asking, "Why should the government do it, if people can do the same things on their own?"
Nathanael Snow

by: histrogeek

04-16-2010 @ 2:26pm

OK, editorial hat on Dr. Dixon. It's "naval" not "navel" power, although I admit that the thought of belly button gives me a chuckle.

by: WaveTossed

04-20-2010 @ 2:56pm

Take a look on this blog entry by libertarian Andrew Sullivan.

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily...

I disagree with means-testing on Social Security. If a person pays into the fund, then they are entitled to its benefits as much as anyone else.

Of course there are those who think that Social Security should be abolished and that people would thus have money to invest in private retirement plans. I have mixed feelings about this; my libertarian side says, "yes!" My pragmatic side says, "it ain't never gonna happen, so don't even think about it."

by: ley6224

04-16-2010 @ 3:44pm

"A great many within the Tea-Party coalition are anti-war."

This is simply not true. Libertarians may be anti-war, but the tea party movement is strongly NOT. They are strongly pro-war and pro-military, to the point of being blindly dogmatic.

by: ley6224

04-16-2010 @ 3:42pm

"The Tea Party does not oppose these wars because they ensure the flow of cheap oil into the United States."

Cheap oil? I think not. Trillions of dollars and far too many lives have been lost and destroyed to "secure" that oil. The price our country pays for that oil is exorbitant, we just don't think about it. That oil is anything but cheap!

by: WaveTossed

04-20-2010 @ 2:59pm

"Without the draft, it seems the young people just aren't that motivated."

True. When it's not your own butt getting shipped off to an unjust and unnecessary foreign war, then people are less motivated.

But I do find quite puzzling the love-affair that some progressives are now having with reinstating the draft. All of my inner resources scream out, "the draft is how the War Party can fight unjust and unnecessary foreign wars." Because that's what happened in Vietnam. Vietnam was made possible through a military draft. Ending the draft help to bring about an end to the war. Let's not make that same mistake; remember that it was mostly Dems who got us into Vietnam in the first place.

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by: john316

04-16-2010 @ 2:11pm

No Dr. Dixon, you simply don't understand. The Tea Party does not oppose these wars because they ensure the flow of cheap oil into the United States. As former Secretary of State James Baker stated about the first Gulf War, "It's all about oil..."

Granted that Afghanistan is not a major oil exporter, but that war would have long been over long ago if Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld had not invaded Iraq.

by: john316

04-16-2010 @ 2:11pm

No Dr. Dixon, you simply don't understand. The Tea Party does not oppose these wars because they ensure the flow of cheap oil into the United States. As former Secretary of State James Baker stated about the first Gulf War, "It's all about oil..."

Granted that Afghanistan is not a major oil exporter, but that war would have long been over long ago if Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld had not invaded Iraq.

by: histrogeek

04-16-2010 @ 2:26pm

OK, editorial hat on Dr. Dixon. It's "naval" not "navel" power, although I admit that the thought of belly button gives me a chuckle.

by: histrogeek

04-16-2010 @ 2:26pm

OK, editorial hat on Dr. Dixon. It's "naval" not "navel" power, although I admit that the thought of belly button gives me a chuckle.

by: jurisnaturalist

04-16-2010 @ 2:45pm

A great many within the Tea-Party coalition are anti-war.
This coalition is Republican and Libertarian for the most part. It started more on the libertarian wing. Libertarians are just as likely to be anti-war as are liberals.
Libertarians may be anti-war because they are anti-state. They want smaller government in general, including military. They challenge the question, "What should the government do?" by asking, "Why should the government do it, if people can do the same things on their own?"
Nathanael Snow

by: jurisnaturalist

04-16-2010 @ 2:45pm

A great many within the Tea-Party coalition are anti-war.
This coalition is Republican and Libertarian for the most part. It started more on the libertarian wing. Libertarians are just as likely to be anti-war as are liberals.
Libertarians may be anti-war because they are anti-state. They want smaller government in general, including military. They challenge the question, "What should the government do?" by asking, "Why should the government do it, if people can do the same things on their own?"
Nathanael Snow

by: WaveTossed

04-16-2010 @ 2:49pm

An article by libertarian Rep. Ron Paul about the wars, showing his unequivocal anti-war stance:

http://original.antiwar.com/paul/2010/03/15/sup...

Other anti-war articles by those with a libertarian bent:

http://antiwar.com/

Unforunately, it seems that the Tea Party movement has been taken over by pro-war neo-cons. These are the same people who were completely silent when Bush was in his free-spending mode, sending zillions down the Black Holes in Bagdad and Kabul.

by: WaveTossed

04-16-2010 @ 2:49pm

An article by libertarian Rep. Ron Paul about the wars, showing his unequivocal anti-war stance:

http://original.antiwar.com/paul/2010/03/15/sup...

Other anti-war articles by those with a libertarian bent:

http://antiwar.com/

Unforunately, it seems that the Tea Party movement has been taken over by pro-war neo-cons. These are the same people who were completely silent when Bush was in his free-spending mode, sending zillions down the Black Holes in Bagdad and Kabul.

by: ley6224

04-16-2010 @ 3:42pm

"The Tea Party does not oppose these wars because they ensure the flow of cheap oil into the United States."

Cheap oil? I think not. Trillions of dollars and far too many lives have been lost and destroyed to "secure" that oil. The price our country pays for that oil is exorbitant, we just don't think about it. That oil is anything but cheap!

by: ley6224

04-16-2010 @ 3:42pm

"The Tea Party does not oppose these wars because they ensure the flow of cheap oil into the United States."

Cheap oil? I think not. Trillions of dollars and far too many lives have been lost and destroyed to "secure" that oil. The price our country pays for that oil is exorbitant, we just don't think about it. That oil is anything but cheap!

by: ley6224

04-16-2010 @ 3:44pm

"A great many within the Tea-Party coalition are anti-war."

This is simply not true. Libertarians may be anti-war, but the tea party movement is strongly NOT. They are strongly pro-war and pro-military, to the point of being blindly dogmatic.

by: ley6224

04-16-2010 @ 3:44pm

"A great many within the Tea-Party coalition are anti-war."

This is simply not true. Libertarians may be anti-war, but the tea party movement is strongly NOT. They are strongly pro-war and pro-military, to the point of being blindly dogmatic.

by: NC77

04-16-2010 @ 6:17pm

Why aren't all the anti-war protestors from the Bush presidency out protesting against the war now? Because Obama is president is war now OK? Where is Cindy Sheehan now? Where are the anti-war Code Pink organization now? Why aren't they picketing Obama speeches?

by: NC77

04-16-2010 @ 6:17pm

Why aren't all the anti-war protestors from the Bush presidency out protesting against the war now? Because Obama is president is war now OK? Where is Cindy Sheehan now? Where are the anti-war Code Pink organization now? Why aren't they picketing Obama speeches?

by: WaveTossed

04-16-2010 @ 6:21pm

"A great many within the Tea-Party coalition are anti-war."

Actually no. Most of the Tea Party people are pro-war and believe in "American Exceptionalism" i.e. the U.S. has the "right" to go and trample over other countries' sovreignty and wage pre-emptive war because supposedly the U.S. is more "moral" than other countries. In other words, most people who believe in "American Exceptionalism" believe that the U.S. government should set themselves up as the Morality Thought Police of the World. This is basic neo-con ideology, not libertarian ideology.

by: WaveTossed

04-16-2010 @ 6:21pm

"A great many within the Tea-Party coalition are anti-war."

Actually no. Most of the Tea Party people are pro-war and believe in "American Exceptionalism" i.e. the U.S. has the "right" to go and trample over other countries' sovreignty and wage pre-emptive war because supposedly the U.S. is more "moral" than other countries. In other words, most people who believe in "American Exceptionalism" believe that the U.S. government should set themselves up as the Morality Thought Police of the World. This is basic neo-con ideology, not libertarian ideology.

by: WaveTossed

04-16-2010 @ 6:25pm

"Why aren't all the anti-war protestors from the Bush presidency out protesting against the war now? Because Obama is president is war now OK? Where is Cindy Sheehan now? Where are the anti-war Code Pink organization now? Why aren't they picketing Obama speeches?"

Excellent questions. Many of us in the antiwar movement are unhappy that the movement has faded with the election of Obama. I voted for Obama (after Ron Paul dropped out) because I thought he would end these wars. Many writers on the libertarian antiwar site http://antiwar.com/ gave out their warnings that the "War Party" would still carry its influence, straight from the Bush administration into the Obama administration. They were CORRECT.

Being antiwar is one of many reasons why I am a registered independent, not either a Repub or Dem.

by: WaveTossed

04-16-2010 @ 6:25pm

"Why aren't all the anti-war protestors from the Bush presidency out protesting against the war now? Because Obama is president is war now OK? Where is Cindy Sheehan now? Where are the anti-war Code Pink organization now? Why aren't they picketing Obama speeches?"

Excellent questions. Many of us in the antiwar movement are unhappy that the movement has faded with the election of Obama. I voted for Obama (after Ron Paul dropped out) because I thought he would end these wars. Many writers on the libertarian antiwar site http://antiwar.com/ gave out their warnings that the "War Party" would still carry its influence, straight from the Bush administration into the Obama administration. They were CORRECT.

Being antiwar is one of many reasons why I am a registered independent, not either a Repub or Dem.

by: NC77

04-16-2010 @ 6:40pm

Thank you so much for a straightforward answer. So you were for Ron Paul? I would have voted for him if he were on the ballot. Neither of the two major parties has put up much to be desired over the last several decades.

by: NC77

04-16-2010 @ 6:40pm

Thank you so much for a straightforward answer. So you were for Ron Paul? I would have voted for him if he were on the ballot. Neither of the two major parties has put up much to be desired over the last several decades.

by: Ngchen

04-16-2010 @ 7:00pm

While oil does have a lot to do with war, a point that is often forgotten is that oil is a commodity. As such, the oil sellers need buyers just as much as buyers need sellers. Therefore, it's generally true that he who has the money to pay for oil will get it, war or no war. So war for oil is not only immoral, but also impractical.

by: Ngchen

04-16-2010 @ 7:00pm

While oil does have a lot to do with war, a point that is often forgotten is that oil is a commodity. As such, the oil sellers need buyers just as much as buyers need sellers. Therefore, it's generally true that he who has the money to pay for oil will get it, war or no war. So war for oil is not only immoral, but also impractical.

by: Ngchen

04-16-2010 @ 7:02pm

A great many within the Tea-Party coalition are anti-war.

Interestingly, we have not heard many, if any, anti-war voices from the Tea party thus far. Is it simply because they lack a good spokesperson?

by: Ngchen

04-16-2010 @ 7:02pm

A great many within the Tea-Party coalition are anti-war.

Interestingly, we have not heard many, if any, anti-war voices from the Tea party thus far. Is it simply because they lack a good spokesperson?

by: Ngchen

04-16-2010 @ 7:04pm

A distinction between the Bush wars and the current ones is that Bush started those wars. Apparently Obama is trying to wind them up, albeit he's doing it at a pace that quite a few people deem to be too slow. Nevertheless, there is a world of difference between starting wars, and trying to end the ones started by one's predecessor.

by: Ngchen

04-16-2010 @ 7:04pm

A distinction between the Bush wars and the current ones is that Bush started those wars. Apparently Obama is trying to wind them up, albeit he's doing it at a pace that quite a few people deem to be too slow. Nevertheless, there is a world of difference between starting wars, and trying to end the ones started by one's predecessor.

by: DJ9791

04-16-2010 @ 7:10pm

We are independent voters because neither governing party has offered real leadership when it comes to ending our military adventures, as well as many other issues. I've been closely involved with several Tea Party members and find, unfortunately, that they are strong supporters of our continued military operations whenever "freedom" in threatened, of American "exceptionalism", and offer nothing which suggests they are anti-war. The only "anti-" in their thinking is that they are strongly against anyone who disagrees with them. Particularly disturbing is their tendency to view problem-solving as largely a factor of who is the best-armed, and that thoughtful discussion is "elitism", an attitude encouraged by their "leadership"; Beck, Palin, Coulter, Limbaugh and others.

Not all in the Tea Party are like these folks, to be sure. But until these people stop behaving like schooyard bullies who exhibit strong racial bias, who depend largely on threats and intimidation to express their views, and begin to offer meaningful ideas on how we should govern our nation, we will view the Tea Party as largely a tool of the neo-cons.

Our nation needs our prayers, and none more than the troubled members of the Tea Party!

by: DJ9791

04-16-2010 @ 7:10pm

We are independent voters because neither governing party has offered real leadership when it comes to ending our military adventures, as well as many other issues. I've been closely involved with several Tea Party members and find, unfortunately, that they are strong supporters of our continued military operations whenever "freedom" in threatened, of American "exceptionalism", and offer nothing which suggests they are anti-war. The only "anti-" in their thinking is that they are strongly against anyone who disagrees with them. Particularly disturbing is their tendency to view problem-solving as largely a factor of who is the best-armed, and that thoughtful discussion is "elitism", an attitude encouraged by their "leadership"; Beck, Palin, Coulter, Limbaugh and others.

Not all in the Tea Party are like these folks, to be sure. But until these people stop behaving like schooyard bullies who exhibit strong racial bias, who depend largely on threats and intimidation to express their views, and begin to offer meaningful ideas on how we should govern our nation, we will view the Tea Party as largely a tool of the neo-cons.

Our nation needs our prayers, and none more than the troubled members of the Tea Party!

by: Conditioning

04-16-2010 @ 7:22pm

The Obama Administration's conflict resolution efforts miss the mark by a mile; they should have taken the advice Jim Wallis and company offered in "Afghanistan: A Whole New Approach"
http://blog.sojo.net/2009/10/29/afghanistan-a-w...

Violence begets violence, and the illusion of "national security."

I wonder if the US will ever elect someone like Rep. Dennis Kucinich or former U.S. Senator Mike Gravel for its highest office. A strongly anti-war, pro-life, pro-choice, pro-rule of law, American president? I doubt the country is, or will be, ready for such a change in the near future.

by: Conditioning

04-16-2010 @ 7:22pm

The Obama Administration's conflict resolution efforts miss the mark by a mile; they should have taken the advice Jim Wallis and company offered in "Afghanistan: A Whole New Approach"
http://blog.sojo.net/2009/10/29/afghanistan-a-w...

Violence begets violence, and the illusion of "national security."

I wonder if the US will ever elect someone like Rep. Dennis Kucinich or former U.S. Senator Mike Gravel for its highest office. A strongly anti-war, pro-life, pro-choice, pro-rule of law, American president? I doubt the country is, or will be, ready for such a change in the near future.

by: john316

04-16-2010 @ 7:40pm

NC77, you might want to check the accuracy of your statements before posting. You would have learned that the protesting has indeed continued.

"On his first official vacation since taking office, President Barack Obama has tried to leave his work at home. So some demonstrators are bringing the issues to him."

"Noted war protester Cindy Sheehan is scheduled to arrive today on Martha's Vineyard to hold a series of peace vigils and other events to confront the president about the continuing wars in Iraq and Afghanistan."

by: john316

04-16-2010 @ 7:40pm

NC77, you might want to check the accuracy of your statements before posting. You would have learned that the protesting has indeed continued.

"On his first official vacation since taking office, President Barack Obama has tried to leave his work at home. So some demonstrators are bringing the issues to him."

"Noted war protester Cindy Sheehan is scheduled to arrive today on Martha's Vineyard to hold a series of peace vigils and other events to confront the president about the continuing wars in Iraq and Afghanistan."

by: tmurray

04-16-2010 @ 8:10pm

Bush did not send "Zillions" down a black hole.....although President Obama is well on his way to doing just that with his health-care and "cap and trade" legislation.

by: tmurray

04-16-2010 @ 8:10pm

Bush did not send "Zillions" down a black hole.....although President Obama is well on his way to doing just that with his health-care and "cap and trade" legislation.

by: tmurray

04-16-2010 @ 8:12pm

Bush did not send "Zillions" down the black hole...although President Obama is well on his way to doing so with his health care and cap and trade legislation...and social justice...ie..re-distribution of wealth plans.

by: tmurray

04-16-2010 @ 8:12pm

Bush did not send "Zillions" down the black hole...although President Obama is well on his way to doing so with his health care and cap and trade legislation...and social justice...ie..re-distribution of wealth plans.

by: jurisnaturalist

04-16-2010 @ 8:37pm

The collective population of Iraq and Iran is 59,629,716.
The total cost of war since 2001 is $983,605,000,000 so far. That does not include the lost opportunities of wealth correction possible if the resources of war had been spend on productive rather than destructive technologies.
Divide the two numbers above. = $16,495.22
Cost of airfare: $800 for one passenger from Mumbai to NY. (Couldn't find a flight from Baghdad, but figured Mumbai would be about the same price.)

If we had offered every man, woman, and child in Afghanistan and Iraq $15,000 plus airfare to the US it would have cost us less than the war has so far, and with far fewer deaths.

End the war now.

by: jurisnaturalist

04-16-2010 @ 8:37pm

The collective population of Iraq and Iran is 59,629,716.
The total cost of war since 2001 is $983,605,000,000 so far. That does not include the lost opportunities of wealth correction possible if the resources of war had been spend on productive rather than destructive technologies.
Divide the two numbers above. = $16,495.22
Cost of airfare: $800 for one passenger from Mumbai to NY. (Couldn't find a flight from Baghdad, but figured Mumbai would be about the same price.)

If we had offered every man, woman, and child in Afghanistan and Iraq $15,000 plus airfare to the US it would have cost us less than the war has so far, and with far fewer deaths.

End the war now.

by: jurisnaturalist

04-16-2010 @ 8:42pm

The early Tea-Partiers were mostly from among the Ron Paul ranks. Unfortunately, the GOP smelled a money-maker, and bought the circus. Now it is mostly neo-con hawks. But there are still many Ron Paulers out there trying to speak to the Tea Party from within. It is a complex coalition which agrees on some issues, not others.
I never got involved, and at this point would not.
Nathanael Snow

by: jurisnaturalist

04-16-2010 @ 8:42pm

The early Tea-Partiers were mostly from among the Ron Paul ranks. Unfortunately, the GOP smelled a money-maker, and bought the circus. Now it is mostly neo-con hawks. But there are still many Ron Paulers out there trying to speak to the Tea Party from within. It is a complex coalition which agrees on some issues, not others.
I never got involved, and at this point would not.
Nathanael Snow

by: NC77

04-16-2010 @ 10:05pm

Thanks John,

I hadn't heard of any war protest til now. I will look forward to the coverage by the MSM :)

by: NC77

04-16-2010 @ 10:05pm

Thanks John,

I hadn't heard of any war protest til now. I will look forward to the coverage by the MSM :)

by: NC77

04-16-2010 @ 10:07pm

Can you provide a link to the story. I do like to keep abreast of what's going on. Thanks.

by: NC77

04-16-2010 @ 10:07pm

Can you provide a link to the story. I do like to keep abreast of what's going on. Thanks.

by: wbminn

04-17-2010 @ 1:36am

I am not sure that I agree with your premise. My gripe with the tea party movement and all the outrage over 'bankrupting America' is that I didn't hear the slightest grumble when the former administration spent billions of dollars each month on the 'war on terror'. Where was their outrage then??!! Where was the concern about 'bankrupting America' then??

by: wbminn

04-17-2010 @ 1:36am

I am not sure that I agree with your premise. My gripe with the tea party movement and all the outrage over 'bankrupting America' is that I didn't hear the slightest grumble when the former administration spent billions of dollars each month on the 'war on terror'. Where was their outrage then??!! Where was the concern about 'bankrupting America' then??

by: wbminn

04-17-2010 @ 1:45am

If the billions of dollars didn't go down a black hole, then where is it?? What do the tax payers have to show for all their money??

by: wbminn

04-17-2010 @ 1:45am

If the billions of dollars didn't go down a black hole, then where is it?? What do the tax payers have to show for all their money??

by: tmurray

04-17-2010 @ 11:56am

Wishing and hoping for peace is a good thing. But since man inhabits the world...wars will continue to be waged until the Lord himself comes back.

by: tmurray

04-17-2010 @ 11:56am

Wishing and hoping for peace is a good thing. But since man inhabits the world...wars will continue to be waged until the Lord himself comes back.