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Anti-Immigrant Law Passes in Arizona, 'We Will Not Comply'

The law signed today by Arizona Gov. Brewer is a social and racial sin, and should be denounced as such by people of faith and conscience across the nation. It is not just about Arizona, but about all of us, and about what kind of country we want to be. It is not only mean-spirited - - it will be ineffective and will only serve to further divide communities in Arizona, making everyone more fearful and less safe. This radical new measure, which crosses many moral and legal lines, is a clear demonstration of the fundamental mistake of separating enforcement from comprehensive immigration reform. Enforcement without reform of the system is merely cruel. Enforcement without compassion is immoral. Enforcement that breaks up families is unacceptable. This law will make it illegal to love your neighbor in Arizona, and will force us to disobey Jesus and his gospel. We will not comply.

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by: ThirdWay

04-26-2010 @ 2:29pm

"I provide refuge for illegal trespassers"
"I provide support to law breakers"
"I provide more hurtful rhetoric to a divided country"
"I provide encouragement for more illegal immigrants"
"I provide bad ideas to a complex issue"

by: cocho31

04-24-2010 @ 9:44pm

Indeed. In Colombia, it's quite similar. Americans are called Estadounidenses and basically everyone from the two continents are considered Americans.

Cheers.

by: jurisnaturalist

04-26-2010 @ 3:02pm

You may be right about the reductio ad Hitlerium. I have put the "Open Borders Now" sticker on the van already. I'm not sure I will attach the "I provide refuge to illegal immigrants" or the star sticker.

My wife forbade the former. The second was her idea, but it may be too incendiary.

I find that people just to the Hitlerium when they are emotional , but not thoughtful. Perhaps employing that tactic communicates the idea that I, too, am emotional but not thoughtful.
Ideally, I would be able to communicate both grief over the new law, and profound thoughtfulness, thinking beyond stage one.
My position has not wavered, but strategic communication is important.
I will be teaching "Economics and Public Policy" this summer at George Mason University, and we will read Lant Pritchett's, "Let Their People Come." This simple phrase may be among the best articulations of the position.
The book, by the way, is available for free at his website.
Nathanael Snow

by: BuckeyeDon

04-24-2010 @ 9:35pm

The people we met in El Salvador certainly considered themselves to be Americans. They call themselves "centralamericanos," while they call us "norteamericanos."

by: ThirdWay

04-26-2010 @ 2:47pm

Boycotting products and service made in Arizona, yea that's the ticket. Let's stop the cash flow of the illegal and legal immigrants working in Arizona. That will put a hurt on that racist state government.

by: Jesusistheway

04-24-2010 @ 10:17pm

I don't have a problem with what you're saying, but many Africans and Asians have to wait years for citizenship into the United States. Perhaps anyone who wants to should be allowed to enter the U.S. as it's always been a beacon of freedom. But at what population will our country reach "carrying capacity?"

by: ThirdWay

04-26-2010 @ 2:43pm

That's right. We need the illegals here to do our dirty, low paying jobs.

Now that's an enlightened perspective.

by: ThirdWay

04-26-2010 @ 2:42pm

Derogatory terms and generalization. Sounds prejudice and un-Christ like to me. Remember, words matter.

by: jbmckim

04-24-2010 @ 10:37pm

The anarchy to which I'm referring is the one where you step over a dead body when you're opening the theater you work in. The one where a fair portion of your downtown burns down when Mexico loses their world cup match. The one where your local news features a weekly body count of those killed in gang violence. The one where Florencia 13 is founded two doors down from where you live. And that would be Huntington Park. The town where my wife and I grew up and where we still have friends.

Sounds like you haven't been though there lately. And by the way, I could go on in the vein above, for days. You can Google Map Clarendon and Arbutus for the F13 reference.

Actually met some of those guys when I was down around Tecate working in an Orphanage. Rancho de sus Ninos to be clear.

by: Z_Schmidt

04-26-2010 @ 2:36pm

Rev. Wallis,

I want to understand why you think, as you wrote, "This law will make it illegal to love your neighbor in Arizona, and will force us to disobey Jesus and his gospel."

I find it irresponsible to make such a claim without offering supporting arguments. I invite you to share why you think this.

Zach

by: ThirdWay

04-26-2010 @ 2:33pm

Have you actually read the bill?

by: scat

04-25-2010 @ 4:37am

jazz136 -- just because a majority of people agree on something doesn't make it right. There was a time when most people thought the earth was flat, and a time when most people thought slavery was allright. Just to name a couple times when the majority was wrong.

by: Morna

04-25-2010 @ 4:53am

It should be, but I doubt Tea Baggers care about small brown people all that much.

by: Morna

04-25-2010 @ 4:52am

It isn't immigrants who are being violent, it's the human traffickers our system empowers. Their victims are criminals, they go free with a simple "I didn't know!"

by: liberalinlove

04-28-2010 @ 5:02pm

Thanks for that clarification. If you don't live around people of other national origins it is hard to keep up with what is considered politically correct "labels"

About the time I think I have it right, it changes. My heart is always in the right place. Hopefully, others will see it and not take offense where none is intended.

by: prgrs_ev

04-25-2010 @ 6:07am

We'll see how much they like her when the illegals leave and there hospitality industry, construction and food processing labor force collapses. The INS tried to restrict Mexican nationals from crossing the border in Juarez to work in El Paso about 15 years ago...it lasted 3 days before it was reversed...the El Paso busness community was ready to string up the INS folks. I hope the illegals leave Arizona and find more receptive environs in other states; they're welcome where I live.

by: liberalinlove

04-28-2010 @ 5:02pm

Thanks for that clarification. If you don't live around people of other national origins it is hard to keep up with what is considered politically correct "labels"

About the time I think I have it right, it changes. My heart is always in the right place. Hopefully, others will see it and not take offense where none is intended.

by: NC77

04-28-2010 @ 4:55pm

From what I have heard, the law was modeled after the same law the federal government has regarding what documentation immigrants are required to carry. I can't say if that is true or not, and I really don't care to read Arizona's law. Those reporting said it was done that way so it would withstand legal scrutiny as to its constitutionality.

I imagine when that comes before the DOJ review and if its constitutionality challenged all this will come out. So I am somewhat astonished that you can come to the conclusion you have drawn.

Specifically what in the bill makes it on par with ..."a police model not seen since the 1930's and 1940's in Germany....a national embarrassment." ?

by: NC77

04-28-2010 @ 4:55pm

From what I have heard, the law was modeled after the same law the federal government has regarding what documentation immigrants are required to carry. I can't say if that is true or not, and I really don't care to read Arizona's law. Those reporting said it was done that way so it would withstand legal scrutiny as to its constitutionality.

I imagine when that comes before the DOJ review and if its constitutionality challenged all this will come out. So I am somewhat astonished that you can come to the conclusion you have drawn.

Specifically what in the bill makes it on par with ..."a police model not seen since the 1930's and 1940's in Germany....a national embarrassment." ?

by: Guest

04-25-2010 @ 9:06am

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by: Carlton Purvis

04-26-2010 @ 4:01pm

Morna, I checked them and and they're great. With your permission I'd liked to send them around on twitter. Do you have a twitter so I cant attribute them to you? Get in touch. Mine is twitter.com/carltonpurvis

by: Guest

04-25-2010 @ 8:58am

by: ThirdWay

04-26-2010 @ 3:58pm

I do appreciate your concern for the immigrant, despite their status. I am certain that it comes from a biblical call to care for the stranger.

Here's what I wonder. Does your church lock the doors or does it have an open door policy. Do you lock your car or home? Or do you have an open door policy regarding your space and things?

I consider myself a very generous individual as I assume you are. I share my income, my resource and my home freely but not openly. I welcome strangers into my home, I share a meal with them, I have even provided a room for long periods of time.

However, the stranger coming into my house through the bathroom window and eating food from my refrigerator uninvited is not welcomed. I hope the law, security precautions, and the police do their job to prevent this from happening.

Caring for the stranger and proving opportunities for them to prosper is no doubt a biblical mandate. But so is order, law, and caring or your own family. Charity does not have to be foolish, reckless and lawless.

Immigration is a complex multifaceted issue. It involves law and order, as well as economic and social concerns. To side only with the illegal immigrant and ignore the concerns of lawful citizen makes you appear radical.

The Anglo-Saxons on this side of the fence are also created in God's image. Is it Christ like to ignore their needs and fears? Seems to me there is a way to meet both needs but radical ideas and rhetoric that only speaks to one side of this issue is not going to get us anywhere.

by: jurisnaturalist

04-26-2010 @ 3:15pm

"I provide refuge for illegal trespassers"
Which *individual's* land has been trespassed upon?
The idea that "we" have a property in the land owned by the US Government is absurd. Can I sell my portion of it? No. It is not rightly called property unless there is the ability to sell it.

"I provide support to law breakers"
I do. I support people who subversively break arbitrarily formulated laws which generate privileges and oppression.
There are a few ways we can justify the legitimacy of a law:
1. Whatever the state says is okay. This is absurd. We dropped the "Divine Right" theory a long time ago, and rightly so.
2. Whatever the majority says is right. This also will not work. Mob rule can be a consequence. Note the French Revolution.
3. Natural Rights. I'm sympathetic with this view, but not completely committed to it. I don't know how to persuade people who don't believe in God to accept an argument along these lines.
4. Common Law: The law is discovered over time though court cases. Decisions which are good and have good consequences tend to be employed as precedent in future disputes. Another way to say Common (Natural) Law is "juris naturalist"

"I provide more hurtful rhetoric to a divided country"
I don't care about the solidarity of the country under a particular government. I care about the testimony of believers to the entire world, including the US Government. I'm not a patriot. I'm not a gang member. I'm not a tribalist.

"I provide encouragement for more illegal immigrants"
I do, because I believe more immigration will be good for the immigrants, and good for Americans. But setting this aside, I don't know how to justify the opposing, protectionist position ethically.

"I provide bad ideas to a complex issue"
Perhaps they are bad to you because of your own opinions. Okay, so we disagree. Can you defend your assumptions? Can you justify your end position ethically upon Biblical principles? Are you more driven by fear of the other than by hope of opportunity?

I do believe I provide interesting dialogue, though often incendiary, which I am working on...

Nathanael Snow

by: ckgmailOTscholar

04-25-2010 @ 1:19pm

Governor Brewer to the contrary, I don't see how they can enforce this without racial profiling. Most of the illegals in Arizona are Mexican or Central American, so brown people are predominately those who might reasonably be suspected of being illegal. The law requires everyone to have proof of citizenship on their person when stopped. I don't carry my birth certificate or my passport with me day to day. I think the first time they stop a prominent citizen of Hispanic descent, and arrest him/her for not having proof of citizenship on his/her person, all hell will justifiably break loose.

by: johanneskepler

04-25-2010 @ 1:50pm

I'm surprised to see followers of Christ at such opposite ends of the spectrum. It reminds me of the civil rights movement, however, the average person had access to far less information...today we should be able to find the truth that is in the middle, not on the extremes and the answer is easy.
1. Finally recognize that immigration is a major issue.
2. Note that Arizona is simply the location that melted down first.
3. Remember that Christ wasn't here to build political solutions.

Conservatives and liberals have identified problems. Our role (as Christians) is to walk in the middle, to ignore the insults of extremists, and to shine the light on a path of understanding and love.

This means recognizing that conservatives are scared for legitimate reasons, and that liberals are scared for legitimate reasons, and we gain nothing for Christ by reinforcing those fears.

Stop the extreme rhetoric and support solutions that recognize and address all of the problems.

by: squeaky

04-25-2010 @ 3:02pm

"There was a time when most people thought the earth was flat"

wait...what?! It isn't flat?

by: Sick

07-30-2011 @ 1:44am

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by: squeaky

04-25-2010 @ 3:01pm

Yes, very good.

I would add that as we walk in the middle with our brothers and sisters on the extremes, may our faith lead us to the point where perfect love casts out fear, and may we find the peace that passes all understanding as we move in His Kingdom.

by: jbmckim

04-28-2010 @ 3:48pm

" Do we get rid of quotas, and allowed how ever many can pay their own way to come here? I can agree to screening people as they enter, but I have a hard time with quotas."

Yes. I'd favor entrance documentation of varying length based on intent and/or need. To obtain either green card or citizenship would continue to imply a long and possibly difficult haul but that should not preclude entrance for work, family visitation or medical need.

Penalties for hiring "undocumented" workers in the new environment would be structured with an emphasis on fining (big fines that is) rather than jail time (the possibility of jail would remain but be reserved for gratuitous or repeat offenders - and be of short duration).

"Which people have actually been harmed by loose enforcement of illegal immigration per se?"

There are entire communities near the border that have suffered millions of dollars in property damage, in particular ranchers. One was recently murdered by what is thought to be Mexican drug enforcers.

I was involved in politics in the Los Angeles area. (When the voting age was lowered to 18 I became what was at the time, the youngest ever member of the Democratic central committee in L.A. county) Our town, Huntington Park cooperated with INS to run round up operations from time to time. Immediately after the round ups, the crime rate would invariably drop by double digits.

The city council, all white at the time, as well as police leadership found this to be counter intuitive, assuming that "illegals" would want to maintain a low profile. This was repeatedly and consistently demonstrated to be mistaken.

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by: WaveTossed

04-25-2010 @ 5:10pm

"You're mistaken. No civil right is infringed by the Az. law. Peace offers can require identification now, of anyone, in ALL states. Violation or failure to comply carries varying degrees of penalty from state to state. I don't know where you're from but I was actually taught this in jr. high school 35 years ago (in California)."

Talk about big government. <eyes roll>

by: WaveTossed

04-25-2010 @ 5:08pm

"For those who claim illegal immigrants from Mexico fully support and contribute to the U.S. economy, you are mistaken. A significant portion of their income flows back into Mexico, never to create or support a job in the U.S. You see, it's not just the taxes they pay that support the social services they receive. It's the taxes paid by the jobs created when they spend their money in local economies. If they aren't spending their money in local economies, they aren't contributing to other jobs, which, in turn, would be paying additional taxes."

Immigrants who work pay income taxes, and that certainly supports the U.S. even if they send much of their money back to Mexico.

Check out these studies done by the Cato Institute, a libertarian, free-market organiztion. It will refute much of the mythology generated by the people who wish to limit immigration.

http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=10438

http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=10658

by: nuclearferret

04-29-2010 @ 8:34pm

A law is not meant to have "feelings." Wallis can call things like this sinful and then support abortion as a worthwhile and legal activity in this country.

by: ink45

04-26-2010 @ 6:10pm

I appreciate the sentiment, but what's wrong with using the word Mexican? Unless you're warning about generalizing or calling all immigrants "Mexicans" (would totally agree here), then the word "Mexican" is not a bad word. I myself come from Mexican descent, and I'm tired of the word "Mexican" being used pejoratively. It's okay to be Mexican. It's good to be Mexican. God allowed it that way. And Morna is right. Mexicans in Mexico absolutely don't think of themselves as Hispanic, and the ones that come to the U.S. only think about themselves when filling out government forms.

by: WaveTossed

04-25-2010 @ 5:01pm

"Jim Wallis may not be telling us about that (I haven't read all he's said on the subject, so I'm not sure), but I'll say it LOUD AND PROUD. These honest, hard-working, and (gasp) tax-paying people are contributing to our society and deserve to be here as much as we do. I FULLY SUPPORT giving them a ticket to stay, just like Joseppi Patti, my undocumented Great-Grandfather from Italy, got a ticket to stay."

Amen! There is a huge backlog at the INS that interferes with the desire of people to come to the US to work and the desire of US employers to be able to legally hire them. Among other things, immigration reform would deal with this huge backlog.

Unfortunately, the anti-immigrant people (who frequently disguise themselves as "anti-illegal-immigrant people") don't want anything to lessen this backlog. That is because they want big brother government to limit immigration and interfere with the free trade of labor.

by: nuclearferret

04-29-2010 @ 8:31pm

"This law will make it illegal to love your neighbor in Arizona..."

You can write this and look at yourself in the mirror?

You people appear to not believe in any immigration regulation anyway, so just add this to the list of laws you don't follow because you care about the democratic process only when it favors your position.

by: WaveTossed

04-25-2010 @ 4:58pm

"With regard to the ridiculous law in Arizona, I don't see how anyone who calls him/herself a liberatarian or conservative could support this law."

Most libertarians, especially those of a more "classic libertarian" bent cannot support this law. This law promotes BIG and very INTRUSIVE government whereas libertarians support small, less intrusive government that supports civil liberties and free trade.

"For anyone out there who's interested in throwing a 'Tea Party' shouldn't something like this be at the top of the list of complaints?"

You would think so, if the Tea Partiers actually truly supported smaller government. However, my observations have been that Tea Partiers aren't really in favor of smaller government; most of them just want a big government that supports their own pet agendas.

by: nuclearferret

04-29-2010 @ 8:26pm

When you own the site, you get to use whatever language you want.

by: WaveTossed

04-25-2010 @ 4:49pm

"I just bought a bumper sticker for my car. It read: "I provide refuge to illegal immigrants." I had it custom made.
My wife recommended a better design: A yellow Star of David with the word "Immigrant" printed inside.
I can only recommend that Arizona citizens who oppose this law put themselves at risk in their outcry by refusing to provide papers to police officers requesting them.
This could force costs upon the system which make it prohibitively expensive to continue enforcement. It is a subversive and non-violent way to say, 'This is a bad law.'
If I get the chance to drive through The People's Republic of Arizona anytime soon, I will be sure to hide my ID where the cops can't find it."

Good show! I will be boycotting products and services made in Arizona. I live quite a distance away from Arizona but I'll still protest wherever I can.

by: jbmckim

04-29-2010 @ 9:48pm

I understand why you say that. I said elsewhere (maybe responding to someone else or even on another forum) that the only problem I have with that is that some drugs are wildly addicting and devastating in their consequence.

Personally, I'd keep meth, heroine and cocaine illegal and maybe legalize marijuana.

Again though, if there's a wide high fence at the border AND anyone with legitimate professional, family or even personal interest can get through it the vast majority of the time AND border inspectors get to verify their legality, that solves most of the problem.

I heard an interesting stat yesterday. Phoenix with 1.4 million people has the same crime occurrence (i.e. actual number, not percentage) as New York City with 8.5 million pop. That can't be all drugs or drug related. I don't think legalizing drugs is a magic bullet.

by: ckgmailOTscholar

04-25-2010 @ 6:00pm

If anyone buys gas in the US, they pay 18 cents per gallon in Federal Tax. The state tax on gas varies up to about 55 cents per gallon. I think it's 36 cents in AZ. And anytime they or anyone else buys non-grocery items in AZ, it's 5.6 % state tax, plus county and city tax. so they do pay taxes.

by: jbmckim

04-29-2010 @ 9:48pm

I understand why you say that. I said elsewhere (maybe responding to someone else or even on another forum) that the only problem I have with that is that some drugs are wildly addicting and devastating in their consequence.

Personally, I'd keep meth, heroine and cocaine illegal and maybe legalize marijuana.

Again though, if there's a wide high fence at the border AND anyone with legitimate professional, family or even personal interest can get through it the vast majority of the time AND border inspectors get to verify their legality, that solves most of the problem.

I heard an interesting stat yesterday. Phoenix with 1.4 million people has the same crime occurrence (i.e. actual number, not percentage) as New York City with 8.5 million pop. That can't be all drugs or drug related. I don't think legalizing drugs is a magic bullet.

by: liberalinlove

04-28-2010 @ 5:02pm

Thanks for that clarification. If you don't live around people of other national origins it is hard to keep up with what is considered politically correct "labels"

About the time I think I have it right, it changes. My heart is always in the right place. Hopefully, others will see it and not take offense where none is intended.

by: WaveTossed

04-29-2010 @ 9:37pm

"'Which people have actually been harmed by loose enforcement of illegal immigration per se?'

"There are entire communities near the border that have suffered millions of dollars in property damage, in particular ranchers. One was recently murdered by what is thought to be Mexican drug enforcers."

And yet another reason for getting rid of the so-called "drug war." Alcohol prohibition didn't work and prohibition of other drugs isn't working either. Drugs, just like the drug alcohol, should be legalized and regulated. That would put the drug cartels out of business.

by: WaveTossed

04-25-2010 @ 7:09pm

"Since you don't make a point you leave me to speculate. You might be confusing "Big brother" with big government. There's no sense in which a law requiring ID implies big government. It may be a policy you don't like for any number of reasons but again, it does not imply (necessarily or otherwise) big government."

When you have large, over-reaching government intruding into private lives: that is big government also known as "Big Brother." Thomas Jefferson once said, "that government that governs least governs best." Maybe that's one reason why Jefferson was censored out of the Texas School Board curriculum.

Our forefathers were wise in writing a Bill of Rights to protect us all against big government's power. I realize that, in the past decade or so, our government has had tendencies to ignore the Constitution with all of the warrantless surveillance and wiretapping of Americans. However, we still need to be very vigilent and fight against government intrusiveness. Laws can be enforced without shredding the Bill of Rights.

by: NC77

04-28-2010 @ 4:55pm

From what I have heard, the law was modeled after the same law the federal government has regarding what documentation immigrants are required to carry. I can't say if that is true or not, and I really don't care to read Arizona's law. Those reporting said it was done that way so it would withstand legal scrutiny as to its constitutionality.

I imagine when that comes before the DOJ review and if its constitutionality challenged all this will come out. So I am somewhat astonished that you can come to the conclusion you have drawn.

Specifically what in the bill makes it on par with ..."a police model not seen since the 1930's and 1940's in Germany....a national embarrassment." ?

by: jbmckim

04-26-2010 @ 6:55pm

You're correct about statute law. As a matter of practice and case law, documentation of some kind is a requisite when police ask it. Witnesses vouching for you also satisfy, but again as a practical matter that's considerably more difficult.

With regard to the law at hand, the excerpts from the AZ statute I've read specifically preclude racial profiling and unequal treatment. I think the fears of injustice expressed as disdain of an unjust law are actually fear of mis-application. I can guarantee the law will be mis-applied; all laws incur misuse. The points at hand are matters of degree and remedy.

Years ago I worked a good bit in Munich. The S10 train from the airport to downtown was about an hour. Fare inspectors there, after asking for my ticket and realizing that I spoke only enough German to semi-competently order beer and pretzels, always asked me for my passport or other ID. I was not offended then and I'm not offended now. I could have as easily been a German raised abroad and their response would have been the same...it could not be otherwise.

For my part, I believe that those who oppose the law should work with the residents of the border who most directly suffer the victimization and consequence of a largely uncontrolled border. Surely Christian compassion and concern must be applied equally to both sides of the equation. I believe that to act otherwise necessarily implies prejudice.

In that regard, I'd encourage a cessation of hand wringing regarding this law. (That's a general statement not pointed at anything you wrote.) Instead, propose a compelling alternative that supports the rights and welfare of everyone, not just those on one side of the "border" of the argument.

by: WaveTossed

04-29-2010 @ 9:37pm

"'Which people have actually been harmed by loose enforcement of illegal immigration per se?'

"There are entire communities near the border that have suffered millions of dollars in property damage, in particular ranchers. One was recently murdered by what is thought to be Mexican drug enforcers."

And yet another reason for getting rid of the so-called "drug war." Alcohol prohibition didn't work and prohibition of other drugs isn't working either. Drugs, just like the drug alcohol, should be legalized and regulated. That would put the drug cartels out of business.

by: jbmckim

04-25-2010 @ 7:00pm

You confuse me or perhaps are confused.

Since you don't make a point you leave me to speculate. You might be confusing "Big brother" with big government. There's no sense in which a law requiring ID implies big government. It may be a policy you don't like for any number of reasons but again, it does not imply (necessarily or otherwise) big government.

I'll guess from context that you mean to imply that anyone who's against big government is inconsistent if they don't oppose the AZ law. That's self serving and lazy. Can you think of any person persuaded or won over with that kind of clever (used ironically) sarcasm?

Since I am the world's foremost authority on what I believe exceeding in this matter even yourself, let me help. I favor individual right and responsibility over government authority. At the same time, I recognize that in any community there must be some form of social contract, governing the interaction of those governed. The alternative is results in "...a life that is nasty, brutish and short." (Thomas Hobbes). I have lived in places in which life was exactly that. I would encourage you to spend sometime educating yourself in and about those types of places and people, and thereby learn to understand and empathize with both sides of the AZ argument before you completely waste your life and mind with childish eye-rolling.

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by: jurisnaturalist

04-23-2010 @ 9:27pm

I just bought a bumper sticker for my car. It read: "I provide refuge to illegal immigrants." I had it custom made.
My wife recommended a better design: A yellow Star of David with the word "Immigrant" printed inside.
I can only recommend that Arizona citizens who oppose this law put themselves at risk in their outcry by refusing to provide papers to police officers requesting them.
This could force costs upon the system which make it prohibitively expensive to continue enforcement. It is a subversive and non-violent way to say, "This is a bad law."
If I get the chance to drive through The People's Republic of Arizona anytime soon, I will be sure to hide my ID where the cops can't find it.
Nathanael Snow

by: jurisnaturalist

04-23-2010 @ 9:27pm

I just bought a bumper sticker for my car. It read: "I provide refuge to illegal immigrants." I had it custom made.
My wife recommended a better design: A yellow Star of David with the word "Immigrant" printed inside.
I can only recommend that Arizona citizens who oppose this law put themselves at risk in their outcry by refusing to provide papers to police officers requesting them.
This could force costs upon the system which make it prohibitively expensive to continue enforcement. It is a subversive and non-violent way to say, "This is a bad law."
If I get the chance to drive through The People's Republic of Arizona anytime soon, I will be sure to hide my ID where the cops can't find it.
Nathanael Snow

by: GlenPeterson

04-23-2010 @ 9:47pm

Thanks for posting Allison. Many of us who were in Phoenix in January are committed to support the faith based community there in any way possible. One said she would close her organization in CA to go to AZ in the event that our brothers and sisters in AZ are arrested for providing service to love our neighbors there. Another, old enough to remember the civil rights struggles of the past, suggested that we go two-by-two until the jails in AZ are filled. Until then we pray for safety and reason to prevail. MALDEF and ACLU have committed to go to court on behalf of immigrants.

by: GlenPeterson

04-23-2010 @ 9:47pm

Thanks for posting Allison. Many of us who were in Phoenix in January are committed to support the faith based community there in any way possible. One said she would close her organization in CA to go to AZ in the event that our brothers and sisters in AZ are arrested for providing service to love our neighbors there. Another, old enough to remember the civil rights struggles of the past, suggested that we go two-by-two until the jails in AZ are filled. Until then we pray for safety and reason to prevail. MALDEF and ACLU have committed to go to court on behalf of immigrants.

by: prgrs_ev

04-23-2010 @ 10:15pm

Sheriff Arpaio can now establish a police model not seen since the 1930's and 1940's in Germany....a national embarrassment.

I believe there should be a national tourism boycott of Arizona until it removes this statute from its books.

by: prgrs_ev

04-23-2010 @ 10:15pm

Sheriff Arpaio can now establish a police model not seen since the 1930's and 1940's in Germany....a national embarrassment.

I believe there should be a national tourism boycott of Arizona until it removes this statute from its books.

by: cindygoetz

04-23-2010 @ 10:53pm

I have lived in Arizona for 37 years, and I am ashamed today that this law was passed and signed into law.

by: cindygoetz

04-23-2010 @ 10:53pm

I have lived in Arizona for 37 years, and I am ashamed today that this law was passed and signed into law.

by: cjhawley

04-23-2010 @ 11:05pm

I understand following in Christ's footsteps and loving everyone regardless of their legal status, as we are all made in His image. I also understand the need to have a good process for allowing legal immigration in the U.S. (not any easy thing to oversee and I'm sure there are many flaws in current system!). I also understand the need to not too encourage illegal activity and potentially unjust use of scarce resources. As a physician, I encounter many folks who come to the purpose of the U.S. for free or heavily subsized health care. I also understand the elderly who cry foul when their federal health care benefits are cut and they contributed much money to the system. These are complex issues. I'm grateful for a community of listening and loving believers to help sort through these issues with faith. Jesus help us, as we sort through these times both indivually and communally!

by: cjhawley

04-23-2010 @ 11:05pm

I understand following in Christ's footsteps and loving everyone regardless of their legal status, as we are all made in His image. I also understand the need to have a good process for allowing legal immigration in the U.S. (not any easy thing to oversee and I'm sure there are many flaws in current system!). I also understand the need to not too encourage illegal activity and potentially unjust use of scarce resources. As a physician, I encounter many folks who come to the purpose of the U.S. for free or heavily subsized health care. I also understand the elderly who cry foul when their federal health care benefits are cut and they contributed much money to the system. These are complex issues. I'm grateful for a community of listening and loving believers to help sort through these issues with faith. Jesus help us, as we sort through these times both indivually and communally!

by: jbmckim

04-23-2010 @ 11:08pm

This isn't a big deal.

I used to travel on business to Munich regularly. The train ride from the airport to downtown was ~1 hour. Twice I was asked for my fare ticket and twice, after realizing that my German was good for ordering beer and pretzels and not much else, I was asked for my passport...not my ID...my passport. (Note that EVERYONE is asked for a fare ticket.)

I'll tell ya', I'm pretty conservative but I really don't care what kind of guest worker/green card/citizenship qualification we choose to debate and or implement. Really, do whatever seems right. Just know that without a rule of law AND competent enforcement, governing access to and through our borders, anarchy will gradually encroach...as it has already in So Cal (where I grew up) and in So. Arizona.

And BTW, Jesus also said, "...render to Ceasar..." Personally, I don't find quoting scripture to suit sensibilities to be helpful.

by: jbmckim

04-23-2010 @ 11:08pm

This isn't a big deal.

I used to travel on business to Munich regularly. The train ride from the airport to downtown was ~1 hour. Twice I was asked for my fare ticket and twice, after realizing that my German was good for ordering beer and pretzels and not much else, I was asked for my passport...not my ID...my passport. (Note that EVERYONE is asked for a fare ticket.)

I'll tell ya', I'm pretty conservative but I really don't care what kind of guest worker/green card/citizenship qualification we choose to debate and or implement. Really, do whatever seems right. Just know that without a rule of law AND competent enforcement, governing access to and through our borders, anarchy will gradually encroach...as it has already in So Cal (where I grew up) and in So. Arizona.

And BTW, Jesus also said, "...render to Ceasar..." Personally, I don't find quoting scripture to suit sensibilities to be helpful.

by: jazz136

04-23-2010 @ 11:11pm

She is an embarrassment to all Americans.
Thanks for taking the decades of hard work Americans have put in for racial equality and flushing them down the toilet Gov Brewer

by: jazz136

04-23-2010 @ 11:11pm

She is an embarrassment to all Americans.
Thanks for taking the decades of hard work Americans have put in for racial equality and flushing them down the toilet Gov Brewer

by: Morna

04-23-2010 @ 11:45pm

I have some Photoshop talent and am creating this Yellow Star image with AZ SB1070 at the bottom. It will be done within a few hours and may be downloaded for free from my artist profile at http://maryofmagdala.deviantart.com/. I will include a solid-background large image for use as a T-Shirt design, a medium bumper-sticker design, and a PNG design with a transparent background for use on websites.

by: Morna

04-23-2010 @ 11:45pm

I have some Photoshop talent and am creating this Yellow Star image with AZ SB1070 at the bottom. It will be done within a few hours and may be downloaded for free from my artist profile at http://maryofmagdala.deviantart.com/. I will include a solid-background large image for use as a T-Shirt design, a medium bumper-sticker design, and a PNG design with a transparent background for use on websites.

by: hankthoreau

04-24-2010 @ 12:17am

I suggest that were I to use the kind of language in this post that the Rev. Wallis used in his articles before and after Gov. Brewer signed the bill, my post would fail the comment code of conduct adopted by the administrator of this blog.

It is perfectly appropriate--and the responsibility of every responsible citizen--to dissent, to disagree and to challenge the actions of our government. It is another thing altogether to label this or any legislation as "meanspirited," "sin" and "immoral." To do so is to adopt the vocabulary of the divisive fringe.

Perhaps if we are to live out our Lord's commandment to love our neighbor, we should recognize that the people who supported the enactment of the Arizona immigration bill are our neighbors, too.

If I had the means, I would single-handedly eradicate homelessness and hunger in my community. Were I to set out to do that without recognizing my limitations, my efforts to love my homeless and hungry neighbor could jeopardize my ability to meet my other obligations.

In advocating a "throw the doors open" approach, those who oppose efforts to limit illegal immigration would strain limited resources and jeopardize our ability to meet the very real needs of those who have been our neighbors for a very long time.

by: hankthoreau

04-24-2010 @ 12:17am

I suggest that were I to use the kind of language in this post that the Rev. Wallis used in his articles before and after Gov. Brewer signed the bill, my post would fail the comment code of conduct adopted by the administrator of this blog.

It is perfectly appropriate--and the responsibility of every responsible citizen--to dissent, to disagree and to challenge the actions of our government. It is another thing altogether to label this or any legislation as "meanspirited," "sin" and "immoral." To do so is to adopt the vocabulary of the divisive fringe.

Perhaps if we are to live out our Lord's commandment to love our neighbor, we should recognize that the people who supported the enactment of the Arizona immigration bill are our neighbors, too.

If I had the means, I would single-handedly eradicate homelessness and hunger in my community. Were I to set out to do that without recognizing my limitations, my efforts to love my homeless and hungry neighbor could jeopardize my ability to meet my other obligations.

In advocating a "throw the doors open" approach, those who oppose efforts to limit illegal immigration would strain limited resources and jeopardize our ability to meet the very real needs of those who have been our neighbors for a very long time.

by: Nutritionpower

04-24-2010 @ 1:40am

Hey. Don't worry about it. It won't last long. It will destroy the econcomy there- something the convervatives won't like. All the illegals will go to neighboring states. People such as myself, born here to a foreign born dad, who look "foreign" won't go to Arizona to visit so there goes their tourism industry. My cousin always goes there to a surgical conference every year. He's an MD. Why should he risk possibly being arrested? Probably many other "foreign" people will no longer hold conferences there- will ruin hotel/restaurant industry. I think the conservatives will end up getting rid of it when they see what happens.

by: Nutritionpower

04-24-2010 @ 1:40am

Hey. Don't worry about it. It won't last long. It will destroy the econcomy there- something the convervatives won't like. All the illegals will go to neighboring states. People such as myself, born here to a foreign born dad, who look "foreign" won't go to Arizona to visit so there goes their tourism industry. My cousin always goes there to a surgical conference every year. He's an MD. Why should he risk possibly being arrested? Probably many other "foreign" people will no longer hold conferences there- will ruin hotel/restaurant industry. I think the conservatives will end up getting rid of it when they see what happens.

by: 24AheadDotCom

04-24-2010 @ 2:49am

Someone deleted the comment I left on this, maybe an admin could tell me how it violated their Code of Conduct?

Here's the comment, save it off before it gets deleted again:

You can't trust Jim Wallis, and I'll tell you why. He supports "reform", and that "reform" is being sold as having enforcement provisions. Yet, he wants to completely undercut the enforcement provisions in what he supports.

If someone promotes, say, fining polluters but doesn't tell you about all the loopholes, can you trust them? Of course not.

The huge loophole Wallis wants is on the first video, where he says "enforcement that breaks up families is unacceptable to us." What that means is that anyone who came here illegally and had a U.S. citizen child - as millions have - would get a ticket to stay. Mexicans aren't dumb, even if many like Wallis treat them like children. They'll quickly figure out the "Wallis rule" and know that if they have a child here they won't be deported.

And, Wallis isn't telling you about that.

Not only that, but Wallis also engages in false compassion: he complains about border deaths while supporting policies that will lead to even more border deaths.

Please go to one of his appearances and press him on what he's not revealing and on what's at the link on video, then upload it to Youtube.

by: 24AheadDotCom

04-24-2010 @ 2:49am

Someone deleted the comment I left on this, maybe an admin could tell me how it violated their Code of Conduct?

Here's the comment, save it off before it gets deleted again:

You can't trust Jim Wallis, and I'll tell you why. He supports "reform", and that "reform" is being sold as having enforcement provisions. Yet, he wants to completely undercut the enforcement provisions in what he supports.

If someone promotes, say, fining polluters but doesn't tell you about all the loopholes, can you trust them? Of course not.

The huge loophole Wallis wants is on the first video, where he says "enforcement that breaks up families is unacceptable to us." What that means is that anyone who came here illegally and had a U.S. citizen child - as millions have - would get a ticket to stay. Mexicans aren't dumb, even if many like Wallis treat them like children. They'll quickly figure out the "Wallis rule" and know that if they have a child here they won't be deported.

And, Wallis isn't telling you about that.

Not only that, but Wallis also engages in false compassion: he complains about border deaths while supporting policies that will lead to even more border deaths.

Please go to one of his appearances and press him on what he's not revealing and on what's at the link on video, then upload it to Youtube.

by: calledme

04-24-2010 @ 3:05am

Strong statements were made before the signing of the bill were made before that, too. Jim issued one in a previous post that is very similar. The words aren't meant to be personal insults and they're not obscene. They're in the tradition of the prophets, who called like God saw it.
I don't care from what race, tradition, or country someone comes from when they need help, and I don't have or need anything so valuable that it can't be spared to feed someone or save his/her life. Carrying an ID card is prejudicial if it's only required of some people and racial profiling is a sin. Pulling out "Render unto Caesar...to talk about this immigration law is proof-texting; Jesus saying "Love your neighbor..love one another...greater love has no person than giving his/her life for a neighbor..." and Jesus' other teachings are pretty much the sum total of the teachings of the New Testament. I live in New Mexico and we don't have those laws. We have people who feel strongly about immigration from all different perspectives, but the people and government of New Mexico haven't seen it necessary to pass laws based on hatred and suspicion and prejudice. There just isn't anything more important than walking in Christ's footsteps -- he chose to die rather than rule. I can't see any other acceptable model to follow.

by: calledme

04-24-2010 @ 3:05am

Strong statements were made before the signing of the bill were made before that, too. Jim issued one in a previous post that is very similar. The words aren't meant to be personal insults and they're not obscene. They're in the tradition of the prophets, who called like God saw it.
I don't care from what race, tradition, or country someone comes from when they need help, and I don't have or need anything so valuable that it can't be spared to feed someone or save his/her life. Carrying an ID card is prejudicial if it's only required of some people and racial profiling is a sin. Pulling out "Render unto Caesar...to talk about this immigration law is proof-texting; Jesus saying "Love your neighbor..love one another...greater love has no person than giving his/her life for a neighbor..." and Jesus' other teachings are pretty much the sum total of the teachings of the New Testament. I live in New Mexico and we don't have those laws. We have people who feel strongly about immigration from all different perspectives, but the people and government of New Mexico haven't seen it necessary to pass laws based on hatred and suspicion and prejudice. There just isn't anything more important than walking in Christ's footsteps -- he chose to die rather than rule. I can't see any other acceptable model to follow.

by: Morna

04-24-2010 @ 3:07am

Used my Photoshop skill to make yellow star of David with "Immigrant" written inside it is done. Images up and ready for download and printing. Can be used for T-Shirts, bumper stickers, stich, and websites. All are free. http://maryofmagdala.deviantart.com/art/No-To-N...

by: Morna

04-24-2010 @ 3:07am

Used my Photoshop skill to make yellow star of David with "Immigrant" written inside it is done. Images up and ready for download and printing. Can be used for T-Shirts, bumper stickers, stich, and websites. All are free. http://maryofmagdala.deviantart.com/art/No-To-N...

by: jazz136

04-24-2010 @ 3:19am

"Mexicans aren't dumb."
Classy. Real sophisticated and educated right there brother. </sarcasm>
Try using the word Hispanic next time and maybe you won't seem like a bigot. Although I guess you probably don't mind being seen as a bigot.

by: jazz136

04-24-2010 @ 3:19am

"Mexicans aren't dumb."
Classy. Real sophisticated and educated right there brother. </sarcasm>
Try using the word Hispanic next time and maybe you won't seem like a bigot. Although I guess you probably don't mind being seen as a bigot.

by: jazz136

04-24-2010 @ 3:26am

"Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's."
Unless I'm very much mistaken, and I know I'm not, what He meant was obey the government so long as it does not get in the way of obeying God. I'm PRETTY SURE He also said something about loving our neighbor and showing compassion to the poor and etc. But I could be wrong.

by: jazz136

04-24-2010 @ 3:26am

"Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's."
Unless I'm very much mistaken, and I know I'm not, what He meant was obey the government so long as it does not get in the way of obeying God. I'm PRETTY SURE He also said something about loving our neighbor and showing compassion to the poor and etc. But I could be wrong.

by: Morna

04-24-2010 @ 3:43am

Except that people from Mexico typically like to be called Mexican rather than Hispanic. Hispanic is a term created by government red tape.

SOURCE: My Latino Studies Professor.

by: Morna

04-24-2010 @ 3:43am

Except that people from Mexico typically like to be called Mexican rather than Hispanic. Hispanic is a term created by government red tape.

SOURCE: My Latino Studies Professor.

by: rightklik

04-24-2010 @ 4:24am

Violence at the Arizona border with Mexico has reached epidemic proportions.

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/64385

Where's the compassion in allowing that to continue?

"Reform" with no commitment to enforce the law is merely a joke.

by: rightklik

04-24-2010 @ 4:24am

Violence at the Arizona border with Mexico has reached epidemic proportions.

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/64385

Where's the compassion in allowing that to continue?

"Reform" with no commitment to enforce the law is merely a joke.

by: chrisbousquet

04-24-2010 @ 4:48am

First, CNS News is not in any way, an objective news source. It's about as unbiased as Worldnet Daily.

With regard to the ridiculous law in Arizona, I don't see how anyone who calls him/herself a liberatarian or conservative could support this law. Regardless of how you feel about immigration policy, you must consider this: 1/3 of the population of Arizona, the LEGAL population, is of hispanic/latino descent. Therefore this law places "legal" citizens of that state, and of this country in position where their basic civil rights can be violated any time a law enforcement officer deems that there is "reasonable suspicion" to do so.

For anyone out there who's interested in throwing a "Tea Party" shouldn't something like this be at the top of the list of complaints?

by: chrisbousquet

04-24-2010 @ 4:48am

First, CNS News is not in any way, an objective news source. It's about as unbiased as Worldnet Daily.

With regard to the ridiculous law in Arizona, I don't see how anyone who calls him/herself a liberatarian or conservative could support this law. Regardless of how you feel about immigration policy, you must consider this: 1/3 of the population of Arizona, the LEGAL population, is of hispanic/latino descent. Therefore this law places "legal" citizens of that state, and of this country in position where their basic civil rights can be violated any time a law enforcement officer deems that there is "reasonable suspicion" to do so.

For anyone out there who's interested in throwing a "Tea Party" shouldn't something like this be at the top of the list of complaints?

by: Morna

04-24-2010 @ 4:51am

I don't think Rev. Wallis words were at all unloving. Words matter, but it also matters how they are used. I'd like to think that when the prophets compared ancient Israel to a "lady of the night", or when Jesus called the Pharisees a brood of vipers, that they did so in the same tone of quiet sadness that you hear from Jim Wallis when he calls these kinds of laws sinful. The texts don't give us voice tone, so we can't know for certain, but we do know that Jeremiah and Jesus also wept over Jerusalem.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that if you do it in the right tone, and in the right context, there is noting wrong with calling a spade a spade. If a law flagrantly violates God's requirements, let's call it what it is: sinful.

Final point: notice that Jim is refraining from even going as far as the prophets and Jesus: when he calls names, he does it to laws and systems, not people. SB 1070 doesn't have feelings.

by: Morna

04-24-2010 @ 4:51am

I don't think Rev. Wallis words were at all unloving. Words matter, but it also matters how they are used. I'd like to think that when the prophets compared ancient Israel to a "lady of the night", or when Jesus called the Pharisees a brood of vipers, that they did so in the same tone of quiet sadness that you hear from Jim Wallis when he calls these kinds of laws sinful. The texts don't give us voice tone, so we can't know for certain, but we do know that Jeremiah and Jesus also wept over Jerusalem.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that if you do it in the right tone, and in the right context, there is noting wrong with calling a spade a spade. If a law flagrantly violates God's requirements, let's call it what it is: sinful.

Final point: notice that Jim is refraining from even going as far as the prophets and Jesus: when he calls names, he does it to laws and systems, not people. SB 1070 doesn't have feelings.

by: Morna

04-24-2010 @ 4:55am

So we should go on enforcing evil, immoral laws in the hope that there will be something good from it? I guess that works if the goal is to get society mad about good people getting thrown in jail for doing the right thing, but if I were a police officer in Arizona I'd be looking for a new job right about now.

by: Morna

04-24-2010 @ 4:55am

So we should go on enforcing evil, immoral laws in the hope that there will be something good from it? I guess that works if the goal is to get society mad about good people getting thrown in jail for doing the right thing, but if I were a police officer in Arizona I'd be looking for a new job right about now.

by: Morna

04-24-2010 @ 4:59am

If they see the connection. They seem to be pretty good at blaming the vulnerable for economic conditions they have nothing to do with, don't you think? It's the WELFARE QUEENS that are taking our tax dollars (even though welfare is less than 4% of the federal budget), not military spending!

by: Morna

04-24-2010 @ 4:59am

If they see the connection. They seem to be pretty good at blaming the vulnerable for economic conditions they have nothing to do with, don't you think? It's the WELFARE QUEENS that are taking our tax dollars (even though welfare is less than 4% of the federal budget), not military spending!

by: Morna

04-24-2010 @ 5:04am

"What that means is that anyone who came here illegally and had a U.S. citizen child - as millions have - would get a ticket to stay....They'll quickly figure out the "Wallis rule" and know that if they have a child here they won't be deported. And, Wallis isn't telling you about that."

Jim Wallis may not be telling us about that (I haven't read all he's said on the subject, so I'm not sure), but I'll say it LOUD AND PROUD. These honest, hard-working, and (gasp) tax-paying people are contributing to our society and deserve to be here as much as we do. I FULLY SUPPORT giving them a ticket to stay, just like Joseppi Patti, my undocumented Great-Grandfather from Italy, got a ticket to stay.

by: Morna

04-24-2010 @ 5:04am

"What that means is that anyone who came here illegally and had a U.S. citizen child - as millions have - would get a ticket to stay....They'll quickly figure out the "Wallis rule" and know that if they have a child here they won't be deported. And, Wallis isn't telling you about that."

Jim Wallis may not be telling us about that (I haven't read all he's said on the subject, so I'm not sure), but I'll say it LOUD AND PROUD. These honest, hard-working, and (gasp) tax-paying people are contributing to our society and deserve to be here as much as we do. I FULLY SUPPORT giving them a ticket to stay, just like Joseppi Patti, my undocumented Great-Grandfather from Italy, got a ticket to stay.

by: mrdavidkolds

04-24-2010 @ 5:21am

"Take up YOUR cross and follow me'. Don NOT force others, who disagree with your politics, to take up YOUR cross for YOU. I don't support arrogance. Mexican's demand that which is not theirs and don't even say "please". I would rather give my support to immigrants who obeyed and have respect for law and waited their turn. That is "fair", to use president Obama's word. With weepy eyes you calmly take money from Americans hard pressed to pay their bills to boost your self-centered sense of personal worth in religious pride. "Oh I am so holy. I support the "poor" criminals taking money from honest taxpayers." You are spiritually immature and pathetic. Will Jesus "know you" when you meet him, when BS won't count for a thing and you finally face yourself honestly? God hates religious pride more than any sin! Read Luke and learn humility.

by: mrdavidkolds

04-24-2010 @ 5:21am

"Take up YOUR cross and follow me'. Don NOT force others, who disagree with your politics, to take up YOUR cross for YOU. I don't support arrogance. Mexican's demand that which is not theirs and don't even say "please". I would rather give my support to immigrants who obeyed and have respect for law and waited their turn. That is "fair", to use president Obama's word. With weepy eyes you calmly take money from Americans hard pressed to pay their bills to boost your self-centered sense of personal worth in religious pride. "Oh I am so holy. I support the "poor" criminals taking money from honest taxpayers." You are spiritually immature and pathetic. Will Jesus "know you" when you meet him, when BS won't count for a thing and you finally face yourself honestly? God hates religious pride more than any sin! Read Luke and learn humility.

by: calledme

04-24-2010 @ 5:39am

Wow! How angry -- and I don't think there is any prophetic intention or Christ-like love or humility in what you say. I'm so sorry. What you say, the way you say it, make your expressions of "support" for hard-pressed Americans and "honest taxpayers" sound empty and sad. One of the verses I love most from Luke is in Chapter 12: "Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom." None of us have any reason to be afraid that our needs won't be taken care of.

by: squeaky

04-24-2010 @ 7:41am

I"m really beginning to think the wisest book written in the last 25 years is Robert Fulghum's "All I really need to know I learned in Kindergarten." I was told, at that age, never to point fingers at anyone else because there would be three fingers pointing back at myself.

You say:

"I don't support arrogance. "

Then you say, mocking Jim Wallis

"Oh I am so holy."

This is followed by:

"You are spiritually immature and pathetic. Will Jesus "know you" when you meet him, when BS won't count for a thing and you finally face yourself honestly?"

Then you end it with:

"God hates religious pride more than any sin!"

............

I'm curious...do you see the irony in your statements, Mr. Kettle?

To be clear, I'm being tongue in cheek.

In all seriousness, however. Your words do not sing with the love and compassion of Christ, but rather they betray some pretty deep hurt and/or hate. I pray God's peace fill your life.

by: squeaky

04-24-2010 @ 7:41am

I"m really beginning to think the wisest book written in the last 25 years is Robert Fulghum's "All I really need to know I learned in Kindergarten." I was told, at that age, never to point fingers at anyone else because there would be three fingers pointing back at myself.

You say:

"I don't support arrogance. "

Then you say, mocking Jim Wallis

"Oh I am so holy."

This is followed by:

"You are spiritually immature and pathetic. Will Jesus "know you" when you meet him, when BS won't count for a thing and you finally face yourself honestly?"

Then you end it with:

"God hates religious pride more than any sin!"

............

I'm curious...do you see the irony in your statements, Mr. Kettle?

To be clear, I'm being tongue in cheek.

In all seriousness, however. Your words do not sing with the love and compassion of Christ, but rather they betray some pretty deep hurt and/or hate. I pray God's peace fill your life.

by: hankthoreau

04-24-2010 @ 2:21pm

The Mexican government openly supports migration of its citizens to the U.S. for economic reasons. Remittances, that is, the money Mexican citizens--illegal immigrants the U.S.--send back to Mexico are the second largest source of income into Mexico behind only oil. Though remittances have dropped due to the U.S. economy (the $1.55 billion sent back to Mexico from the U.S. in February 2010 is down almost 15% from the $1.8 billion sent in February 2009), they are still critical to the Mexican economy (more than $21 billion in 2009).

For those who claim illegal immigrants from Mexico fully support and contribute to the U.S. economy, you are mistaken. A significant portion of their income flows back into Mexico, never to create or support a job in the U.S. You see, it's not just the taxes they pay that support the social services they receive. It's the taxes paid by the jobs created when they spend their money in local economies. If they aren't spending their money in local economies, they aren't contributing to other jobs, which, in turn, would be paying additional taxes.

In spite of the Mexican government's open support and encouragement of its people coming to the U.S. for economic reasons, here's an excerpt from an article addressing migration between Mexico and the United States, from the Mexican Foreign Ministry on website of the Mexican Embassy to the United States, which, presumably, means this is the official position of the Mexican government:

"In the aftermath of September 11th, the government of Mexico considers that, in addition to the economic and social causes that trigger migratory flows, the establishment of a legal, safe, dignified and ordered migration is indispensable to strengthen the safety and security of both countries." http://portal.sre.gob.mx/usa/index.php?option=d...

Legal, safe, dignified and ordered... indispensable to strengthen safety and security...

Perhaps if immigration advocates don't like the Arizona law, it's because they have refused to acknowledge, first, that there's a problem and, second, that controls are necessary.