Glenn Beck, Immigration, and Social Justice

Sorry to everybody here, this subject is not just political for me, it is personal. My wife is from Russia, and she just got her Green-card approved, after several months of her being asked outdated, absurd, idiotic, irrelevant immigration questions such as: "Are you now or have you ever been a member of the Nazi party???" or "Are you a prostitute or do you plan to be a prostitute?" or "Are you currently or have you been involved in any Terrorist plot against America??" etc....etc..... I could not speak out, (Did not feel like I truly had freedom of speech) while our case was in process, but now that she is home free, the gloces and the Duct tape are off. I'm ready to fight, I want to pound on these immigration agents and on the immigration laws that are 50 years outdated and absolutely absurd. I have been biting my tongue and keeping my mouth closed for so long. I even had our lawyer sit behind me at my wifes final interview, so I would not have to go to jail for aggravated assault or murder.
Like I said before, I have 10 years experience in security and law enforcement and have provide assistance to the FBI anti organized crime division, and I have dealt with the Russian Mafia and the FSB (KGB), and the reason why mafia, dealers and FSB can operate so easily in this country, is because they are PROTECTED by current laws. The AZ law, does not attack drug dealers, or criminals, it attacks ANYBODY that is white, anglosaxen,does not have European or Hispanic facial features, has anything other than blue eyes, and speaks with any kind of foreign accent other than a Texas or Boston or New York accent. In my travels, I found a LOT of inconsistantcies with the immigration laws of this country. For example, for a million dollars, ANYBODY can buy citizenship from USCIS. there is currently a case like that in court, it is a high level Russian Mafia guy who is buying his way out of Russin prison and into the arms of an american congressman. Justice??? what justice???

Read the code of comment and tell me how your language has followed it. It is right above the comment section. This isn't about swearing or foul language. It's about expressing your opinions with "civility, courtesy, and respect for every member of the Sojourners online community, especially toward those with whom [you] disagree" rather than expressing your "disagreements with other community members' ideas" by "insulting, mocking, or slandering them personally."

You posted the same comment to two people who actually are on your side (WaveTossed was one of them), and the comments you replied to said nothing that should have ilicited such a response from you. Part of that comment included such inflammatory and disrespectful rhetoric as the following:

"how old are you??? you talk like a 5 year old that has no formal education, has never read a book, has never traveled outside of the USA, or out of your shallow little home town. All of the people I have met that sound like you, live in a predominately white towns, drive a pick-up truck with a gun rack in the window, and barely have a high-school education, and think that foreigner are anybody that doesn't look like you or sound like you, and that foreigners are stealing all the jobs from people like you. when in fact, the reason why you dont have a job is probably due to the fact that you are uneducated, ignorant, prejudicial, filled with hate and anger for anything or anybody that is different than you or that you do not understand. You just can not admit your own shortcomings, you can not admit to your own ignorance."

These words are condescending and judgmental aimed at people you have never met and who you have no right to judge. Your words are every bit as unbecoming of a Christian as if you had ripped off a run of swear words.

sorry. thanks. :-)

Hmmmm....there was a string of comments made, all under your name, without the other persons name, and therefore it was impossible to tell who the other guy was, I was responding to the othe respondant to your statements, but their name or handle was not included in the conversation.
So, I appologose for you getting the frontal attack, it was ment for the other persons comments.

I LOVE YOUR SARCASM!!! SOCK IT TO THEM JEFF!!! may ????? (Russian) Jesús, Cristo (spanish) , J?zus (Latvian), bless you!!!

Actually, border-related violence is down. http://www.immigrationforum.org/blog/display/in...

1.) If you have a bible and go to church, pray, and say you are a christian makes you a christian as much as walking into McDonalds makes you became a hamberger.
2.) I believe that it says repeatedly that you will be judged by what you say, and how you say it, and I was responding to "Wavetossed, based upon his tone and seeming lack of information and just stating an opinion without facts, everything I have stated, is not my opinion, it is fact. If I dont know something, I dont say anything.
3.) Sorry if my tone seems harsh, but IGNORANCE and HYPOCRISY REALLY set me off.
4.) I did not call anybody names. If you are refering to the name "Jack", this is the first part of the person's handle, to whom I was speaking, it is a name he chose, I just shortened the name, Abbreviated the name, used a shorter version.

YOU HIT THE NAILS, al of them, RIGHT on the head!!! The patriat act was produced by the right wing ultra conservatives, and former president BUSH, who is just another big business man, looking out for the interests of his own buddies, and his families interest in the OIL business.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH pastor Jeff!!!

THANK YOU VERY MUCH pastor Jeff!!!

Jesus loved to use SARCASM to beat up on the Jewish religeous leaders.....Jesus would love you. :-)

Jesus loved to use SARCASM to beat up on the Jewish religeous leaders.....Jesus would love you. :-)

The interesting, MOST IRRONIC, thing, is that the ONLY NATIVE AMERICANs who are the original occupants of this country, are AMERICAN Indians, who have brown, or red, or yellow skin, and some of whom do not drive, or travel to other countries, or were not born in any hospital, so they do not have a drivers license, or a passport, or a birth certificate. So where are the AZ police suposed to send them to if they get arrested for not having ANY papers of ANY kind. In some Indian cultures, it is REALLY bad to have your picture even taken, which has to do with their religion, which is a CONSTITUTIONAL right as well. What are you going to do about that????

Oh--BTW, both Wavetossed and I are women. No biggie--just thought if you continue to hang out here, you probably should know that. My handle is my cat's name, and I could have chosen my other cat's name (Igor), but that would have been even more confusing.

One more thing. Jesus preached the Good News to the poor. He didn't demand that people steal from others to get that news preached. Yet one more way Wallis perverts the Truth.

OK, so first of all, why are you attacking people who agree with you?

And second of all, please read the code of conduct. Your rhetoric is abusive and inflammatory. If you are a Christian, please strive so that your words reflect your relationship with Christ.

Thank you.

I dont want to get anybody kicked off, even if they make my blood boil, I want to roast them, and beat them with their own Bible and flog them with the laws they support or dont support, and prove to them that they have been brain washed. I am not apposed to conflict, I have been face to face with FSB agents in Moscow, I have had to be paperless in Moscow in order to overstay my visa, using FSB agents to take my visa out of the country to another country, in order to get a new visa in my passport, so that I may stay in Russia longer. I have been running my own company for seven years in the middle of a BUSH induced recesion, and My Parents are Sarah Palin, Rush Limp-bow, and Glenbeck worshipers and I have to lash them with their own beliefs and their own Bible all the time, almost on a daily basis. My point is, I have thick skin, and when it comes to the immigration matter, I know more than most people would dream of knowing. I have dealt with immigration issues for 8 years of my life here and in Russia. So, all I can say is:

"Rush, Glen and all your followers, hit me with your best shot, I am so ready and overloaded, I will blow you away. I am ready to rock and roll.
I wont need to turn my cheek, youll never touch even one cheek."

To everybody else, on this sight, or anywhere else, who wants to challenge me: I wont flag you, I wont order you to leave or ask that you get kicked off if you try to stomp on me, I'll dance around you and make your head spin. And hopefully, I can un- Brainwash those of you who have been BUSH-wacked by BUSH and his sick mind numbing rhetoric.

I find it interesting that Wallis promotes something that the bible doesn't promote, and then calls it scriptural. The concept is called social justice and it is a communist/socialist concept, not biblical. Wallis should take note of the curses pronounced on people who pervert the scriptures.

Use the "flag" button when something violates the code of conduct like the statements you objected to.

Wave Tossed
Here is what I was responding to:

1.)"Become a citizen and you get citizen rights. Not a citizen and you don't get citizen rights. I know this is stating the obvious but I felt I needed to because of your illogical conclusion."

2.) "AZ is merely enforcing the federal law. So get off your high horse and move on. They are not seizing anything and doing warrantless searches willy-nilly. You know it too."

3.) "I'm glad you have read the Constitution or at least those 2 amendments. Bravo. You're interpreting AZ law as violating the Constitution and they aren't. I don't know if you are just thick-headed and love to argue or if you really don't understand."

4.) "Howz about you visit any other country without your proper documentation. After you attempt this stupid action, come back and enlighten all of us on how horrible we are for wanting to protect our borders. Of course, it may be awhile before you return cuz you'll be put in prison and have to pay a fine but hey your broke their country's law. Bad country! Good illegal!"

This is the part that I agreed with:

1.) The problem is -- though you deny it -- is that many American citizens are being caught up in this net of warrentless search and seizure.

2.) Yes they are. Here is a story from USA Today about arrests of American citizens in earlier years under "suspicions of being illegal immigrants." If you don't think that it will happen in Arizona, then you are mistaken.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2008-06-24-...

3.) The Arizona law is stopping people, some of them U.S. citizens to search and conduct seizures without warrants.

4.) I don't care about other countries. We live in the U.S.

The problem was, that all of these statements were shuffled together, and I thought that the statements in Quotes were being said in sarcastic way, not that you were quoting anybody in particular. I did not see any persons statement before your statement, and because "SQUEAKY" and you pointed out this problem I just now realized which statements were yours, and which statements were from somebody else. Thanks. Sorry to you and to Squeaky.

I agree with most of what you say. That "the gospel was preached to the poor," is a sign that Jesus is the Messiah. And, and a stack of scripture backs you up.

My gripe is the track record of the social gospel, sometimes aiding and supporting Marxist revolutionaries. With Marx at your side, you now have a murderer as your associate.

South American aristocrats have often created the conditions of the revolutions they abhor. But the revolutions themselves are a great evil, as witnessed by the reign of terror in France. Ultimately, Marx is an enemy of the gospel.

"They should be ignored and maybe they will go away."

Keep thinking and praying for that, please. And while you are at it, ignore the fact that 70% of Americans oppose the health-care bill and the NYT is now saying close to 70% of those polled in border-states think the Arizona law is 'about right' or 'does not go far enough'. But keep ignoring these stats, and praying for them to go away...I will pray to hasten the arrival of November 2.

Squeaky,
Here is what I was responding to:

1.)"Become a citizen and you get citizen rights. Not a citizen and you don't get citizen rights. I know this is stating the obvious but I felt I needed to because of your illogical conclusion."

2.) "AZ is merely enforcing the federal law. So get off your high horse and move on. They are not seizing anything and doing warrantless searches willy-nilly. You know it too."

3.) "I'm glad you have read the Constitution or at least those 2 amendments. Bravo. You're interpreting AZ law as violating the Constitution and they aren't. I don't know if you are just thick-headed and love to argue or if you really don't understand."

4.) "Howz about you visit any other country without your proper documentation. After you attempt this stupid action, come back and enlighten all of us on how horrible we are for wanting to protect our borders. Of course, it may be awhile before you return cuz you'll be put in prison and have to pay a fine but hey your broke their country's law. Bad country! Good illegal!"

This is the part that I agreed with:

1.) The problem is -- though you deny it -- is that many American citizens are being caught up in this net of warrentless search and seizure.

2.) Yes they are. Here is a story from USA Today about arrests of American citizens in earlier years under "suspicions of being illegal immigrants." If you don't think that it will happen in Arizona, then you are mistaken.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2008-06-24-...

3.) The Arizona law is stopping people, some of them U.S. citizens to search and conduct seizures without warrants.

4.) I don't care about other countries. We live in the U.S.

The problem was, that all of these statements were shuffled together, and I thought that the statements in Quotes were being said in sarcastic way, not that he was quoteing anybody in particular. I did not see any persons statment before "WAVETOSSED'S" statement, and because you pointed out this problem YI just now realized which statements were his, and which statements were from somebody else. Thanks. Sorry to you and to Wavetoss.

The problem isn't about building walls to keep illegals out, or deporting people who aren't citizens, it's about the laws that the US currently has...

First, if parents of children born in the US are illegal, then the child should not be a citizen...

Second, If you can't provide proof of citizenship, then you can't get a job....

Third... If you hire someone who is not legally in the country, then you're fined big time...

Taking the incentive out of coming to the US is the only way to stop illegal immigration.