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Nonviolence and the Gaza Freedom Movement

Three days have passed since the Israeli navy attacked an international Gaza Freedom Movement "Freedom Flotilla," intent on breaking Israel's blockade of the Gaza Strip, in international waters. The explosion of media coverage surrounding this makes it likely the highest-profile act of (supposedly) nonviolent resistance to occur in years. But the dust has yet to settle. The boats and the activists who were aboard them are still under Israeli control, and so also, therefore, is their story of what happened. As information comes in, here are some questions to keep in mind for thinking about this horrific event through the lens of nonviolence.

Were the activists really acting nonviolently? There has been considerable controversy thus far about who provoked whom to the violence that finally ended in deaths aboard the flotilla ships. It appears as if some people aboard took matters into their own hands and attacked the Israeli soldiers. But many of those leading the mission were seasoned activists committed to and trained in nonviolence. Their primary cargo was humanitarian aid, and their purpose was to make a political point, not engage Israeli forces in combat. If fighting broke out when armed Israeli forces arrived that is to be regretted, but that should not be mistaken for the Gaza Freedom Movement's intentions.

How are the mission's success and failure being measured?
Some are going to look at this and say, "See, they tried a nonviolent approach, and it ended in violence. Therefore, the mission failed, and nonviolence doesn't work." It would be particularly troubling for those Palestinian activists who are thinking about trading violent for nonviolent methods to come to this conclusion. But nonviolent resistance always involves self-sacrifice on the part of those who struggle for justice. Though the tragedy in the loss of life is not to be downplayed, the flotilla has already proven successful in significant ways; people around the world, including influential leaders, have responded by condemning the Gaza blockade, and millions more have learned about the international movement to transform the conflict in the region.

Was the flotilla a mission of aid or activism? Reports often describe the flotilla's purpose as humanitarian aid. In turn, Israel offered to deliver the supplies to Gaza itself, precluding the need for the flotilla to finish its delivery. It is true that the ships carried humanitarian supplies. But the mission also had an explicitly political purpose, to resist what the activists understand as the injustice of the Gaza blockade.

Whose suffering is the media considering grievable? We already know that the Western media is more likely to concern itself with the deaths of Westerners than that of others. This is a tendency that we need to counteract. We should strive to treat all victims as if they are one of us and worthy of our deepest concern. We should also be attentive of the tendency to portray criticism of Palestinians and their advocates as plausible, and criticism of Israel as simply anti-Semitic.

What laws were violated, and why? Laws were violated on both sides. Israel attacked a ship in international waters, in violation of international law. And the flotilla intended to break the limits imposed by Israel's blockade. On the one hand, not all laws are equal; the blockade itself has been deemed illegal by a United Nations report last year. On the other, not all violations are equal; Israel violated international law out of convenience, with little or no expectation of consequences (since it hasn't suffered them for past incidents), while the activists on the flotilla intended to flaunt the blockade as an act of conscience, exposing themselves to the consequences.

Who are the activists representing? There is already a tendency in the reportage to point out the support of violent actors, such as Gaza's Hamas regime, for the flotilla. Some will contend that the activists are therefore "supporters of terrorism." Attempts are also being made to link the activists to extremists in Turkey, which the Turkish government reportedly has investigated and strenuously denies. Whatever the case may be, it's important that we not let the activists' actions be falsely conflated with those of others. Making such conflations are very much in the interests of those who would want to justify Israel's disproportionate violence; nonviolent resistance is often more threatening to the powerful than violent resistance because it so visibly undermines their claim to moral superiority.

How is the official story being manipulated? By conducting its own investigation before allowing any foreign journalists or authorities to participate, Israel is seeking to ensure that its version of events is the only version. The Israeli government has already been hurriedly trying to explain its own violence with allegations that the activists were armed and intent on delivering materials meant to be weaponized. If Israel were to plant weapons on the scene after the fact to distort the investigation, it would only be following the U.S.'s example in Iraq. Since this incident took place in international waters, involving people from around the world, a truly international investigation should take place immediately.

For now we can at least mourn the deaths of those killed on the ships, alongside those whose lives have been destroyed or ruined in the wider conflict, both Palestinian and Israeli. The refusal to tolerate and glorify violence, whether conducted by the powers that be or the disempowered, is the first step toward bringing about nonviolent change.

Nathan Schneider writes about religion, reason, and violence for publications including The Boston Globe, Commonweal, Seed, Religion Dispatches, AlterNet, and others. He is also an editor at Killing the Buddha. Visit his Web site at TheRowBoat.com. This article appears courtesy of a partnership with Waging Nonviolence.

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by: SamHamilton

06-04-2010 @ 6:23pm

I read in the newspaper that Egypt also has a blockade of Gaza on its shared border. Does anyone know why Egypt maintains this blockade? Why is this never mentioned during discussions of the plight of the people who live in Gaza?

by: SamHamilton

06-04-2010 @ 6:23pm

I read in the newspaper that Egypt also has a blockade of Gaza on its shared border. Does anyone know why Egypt maintains this blockade? Why is this never mentioned during discussions of the plight of the people who live in Gaza?

by: SamHamilton

06-04-2010 @ 6:23pm

I read in the newspaper that Egypt also has a blockade of Gaza on its shared border. Does anyone know why Egypt maintains this blockade? Why is this never mentioned during discussions of the plight of the people who live in Gaza?

by: letjusticerolldown

06-03-2010 @ 2:08pm

I really agree. This kind of story (big important drama with little good info but usable video) is great to demonstrate virtually all the "news sources" willingness to really bend stories into whatever form they want (for whatever purpose---usually unexamined purposes). Including Sojo.

by: John Mulholland

06-04-2010 @ 6:50pm

"Why is this never mentioned during discussions of the plight of the people who live in Gaza?"

Simply put, some are not interested in the truth. It fails to fit the narrative.

by: John Mulholland

06-04-2010 @ 6:50pm

"Why is this never mentioned during discussions of the plight of the people who live in Gaza?"

Simply put, some are not interested in the truth. It fails to fit the narrative.

by: John Mulholland

06-04-2010 @ 6:50pm

"Why is this never mentioned during discussions of the plight of the people who live in Gaza?"

Simply put, some are not interested in the truth. It fails to fit the narrative.

by: Stein

06-05-2010 @ 4:05am

"The blockade was found "illegal" by the UN. That is a virtual guarantee that it is, in fact, legal under the laws of war. Here's the real point: if the blockade is actually illegal, then..."

Your own words convict you that you have no regard for the rule of law. When a law inconveniently gets in your way, you can always find an excuse or two to assert that you know better. Just for the sake of truth, at least admit to yourself that these are only weak excuses.

As to my real point -- the situation is complex. Violence, oppression, and evil has been done by both sides. Pointing fingers exclusively at one side is least likely to help. At least let us agree to not condone violence done by either side. I am willing to agree to that. Will you join me?

by: Stein

06-05-2010 @ 5:41am

I agree with what you say. As with those situations that you mention, organized violence was probably not premeditated. My objection is with people who would paint the situation saying that the activists were planning the violence from the start and they somehow ambushed the IDF. Common sense based on the actual body count gives the lie to this attempted spin.

by: rustys1

06-03-2010 @ 6:26pm

Obviously this was a "looking-for-a-fight" flotilla, not a "peace" flotilla. Please research who owned the boats and who financed the trip.

Israel offered many options to prevent conflict and preserve the "peacefulness" of this operation. But that's not what the "activists" were looking for was it?

by: rustys1

06-03-2010 @ 6:26pm

Obviously this was a "looking-for-a-fight" flotilla, not a "peace" flotilla. Please research who owned the boats and who financed the trip.

Israel offered many options to prevent conflict and preserve the "peacefulness" of this operation. But that's not what the "activists" were looking for was it?

by: Moti Rieber

06-02-2010 @ 7:14pm

I'm not sure I buy the piece about the violence not being intentional making it okay. If the marchers had beaten on the troopers on the Edmund Pettis bridge, it wouldn't have mattered whether they'd intended in advance to do it.

On the one hand, the violence of the passengers compromises the moral power of the Flotilla events. On the other hand, without the violence the incident doesn't get nearly this much attention. So it's hard to see it as an example of effective nonviolent action.

by: pcnot4me

06-02-2010 @ 6:57pm

So let me get this straight?

The flotilla ignored the proper procedures for delivering aid. Aid that is delivered all the time. Then they ignored the request for the Israeli's to deliver the aid for them.

Then when they were stopped they instigated the violence. But they really really are non violent peaceful people....on a mission of peace...they promise. In fact you can ask their friends Hamas if you don't believe them.

by: histrogeek

06-02-2010 @ 6:51pm

"Some are going to look at this and say, "See, they tried a nonviolent approach, and it ended in violence. Therefore, the mission failed, and nonviolence doesn't work." "

This is a common problem with any activism and needs to be fought. As Dr. King once pointed out, violence is self-justifying because it provides an emotional gratification apart from its effectiveness. Once it begins, its advocates always insist that more violence is the answer.

The simple fact that violent responses usually lead to greater violence is ignored. Hamas rocket attacks have not moved the Palestinian cause one inch further. The Israeli attack on Hizbollah in Lebanon has not made the country safer. And on and on.

If a willingness to use violence could be successful in Israel/Palestine, it would have succeeded already. Both sides have shown a horrifying willingness to ignore standards of civilization and humanity.

by: saranewmexico

06-03-2010 @ 8:56pm

I had friends on the Freedom Flotilla and can vouch for the fact that they believe in nonviolent direct action to stop the suffering of Gazans.

The lead coalition partners included:
* Insani Yardim Vakfi (IHH), the largest coalition partner, contributing 2 Turkish-flagged cargo ships, the Turkish-flagged passenger ship "Mavi Marmara," and 380 Turkish nationals to the effort. This was IHH's first attempt to break the Gaza blockade.

* The European Campaign to End the Siege on Gaza, contributing the Greek-flagged passenger ship "Sfendoni." This was the European Campaign's second mission to Gaza.

* The Free Gaza Movement, contributing the U.S.-flagged passenger ship "Challenger I." This was Free Gaza's ninth mission to Gaza.

* A Ship to Gaza, Sweden, and A Ship to Gaza, Greece, contributing the Greek-flagged cargo ship "Eleftheri Mesogeios." This was the first voyage of A Ship to Gaza, Sweden, and the fourth of a Ship to Gaza, Greece.

All ships were thoroughly searched by local port authorities in Greece and Turkey prior to their departure. Additionally, the coalition hired an independent security firm to search the ships and certify that no weapons were on board. All passengers went through nonviolence training and were likewise searched for weapons prior to boarding. The Turkish government, a member-state of the NATO alliance, vetted all the Turkish passengers to insure there was no one with ties to extremist groups. These precautionary steps were deliberately taken to prevent Israeli propaganda officials from ever being able to claim that the Freedom Flotilla posed any 'security risk' to Israel.

There was a live satellite feed broadcasting the voyage from the Mavi Marmara, as well as GPS transponders showing the exact location of the flotilla at all times to anyone viewing the coalition website. The intention of the Freedom Flotilla was never to 'provoke a confrontation,' but simply to deliver much-needed humanitarian aid to besieged Gaza, and in so doing to draw attention to the brutal Israeli policies that are forcing the Palestinian people into a state of impoverished dependency.

by: saranewmexico

06-03-2010 @ 8:56pm

I had friends on the Freedom Flotilla and can vouch for the fact that they believe in nonviolent direct action to stop the suffering of Gazans.

The lead coalition partners included:
* Insani Yardim Vakfi (IHH), the largest coalition partner, contributing 2 Turkish-flagged cargo ships, the Turkish-flagged passenger ship "Mavi Marmara," and 380 Turkish nationals to the effort. This was IHH's first attempt to break the Gaza blockade.

* The European Campaign to End the Siege on Gaza, contributing the Greek-flagged passenger ship "Sfendoni." This was the European Campaign's second mission to Gaza.

* The Free Gaza Movement, contributing the U.S.-flagged passenger ship "Challenger I." This was Free Gaza's ninth mission to Gaza.

* A Ship to Gaza, Sweden, and A Ship to Gaza, Greece, contributing the Greek-flagged cargo ship "Eleftheri Mesogeios." This was the first voyage of A Ship to Gaza, Sweden, and the fourth of a Ship to Gaza, Greece.

All ships were thoroughly searched by local port authorities in Greece and Turkey prior to their departure. Additionally, the coalition hired an independent security firm to search the ships and certify that no weapons were on board. All passengers went through nonviolence training and were likewise searched for weapons prior to boarding. The Turkish government, a member-state of the NATO alliance, vetted all the Turkish passengers to insure there was no one with ties to extremist groups. These precautionary steps were deliberately taken to prevent Israeli propaganda officials from ever being able to claim that the Freedom Flotilla posed any 'security risk' to Israel.

There was a live satellite feed broadcasting the voyage from the Mavi Marmara, as well as GPS transponders showing the exact location of the flotilla at all times to anyone viewing the coalition website. The intention of the Freedom Flotilla was never to 'provoke a confrontation,' but simply to deliver much-needed humanitarian aid to besieged Gaza, and in so doing to draw attention to the brutal Israeli policies that are forcing the Palestinian people into a state of impoverished dependency.

by: Joel225A

06-02-2010 @ 7:45pm

Have noticed watching and listening the news how different this issue appears to even the news media . The BC , NPR especially paint Israel as the bad guys . Main Stream media I believe tilts to Israel but in this case it does not . Conservative media is painting Israel as just defending themselves and brings up the rockets that have been shot at them from GAZA in almost every news account. That these guys provoked the fight and originally the soldiers only had Paint ball guns till they started getting hit with iron bars and started using real firearms . Both sides are so passionate and feel as though they have right on their side.

by: Stein

06-03-2010 @ 9:30pm

Who started the violence? I don't know -- both sides acted violently. Probably there was increasing escalation by both sides in action--counteraction--reaction. Violence tends to escalate this way.

Who started the LETHAL violence? I know the answer to that one. No one disputes that only people on one side were killed.

When the Israeli's claim that they were ambushed by the flotilla activists, and fired upon by guns "from all sides", that just doesn't square with the lack of Israeli fatalities.

It's a pretty tough sell to claim that the activists were intent upon lethal violence and were just tremendously incompetant at it, but the IDF was so restrained, but just happened to kill lots of people anyway.

I don't in any way want to excuse the violence done by the activists or the Israelis. But let's continue to apply common sense to understand the various spins on news. Perhaps Israel apologists will claim that such lethal violence is warranted or necessary. Just please don't try to claim that the IDF has been restrained in its reaction.

by: Stein

06-03-2010 @ 9:30pm

Who started the violence? I don't know -- both sides acted violently. Probably there was increasing escalation by both sides in action--counteraction--reaction. Violence tends to escalate this way.

Who started the LETHAL violence? I know the answer to that one. No one disputes that only people on one side were killed.

When the Israeli's claim that they were ambushed by the flotilla activists, and fired upon by guns "from all sides", that just doesn't square with the lack of Israeli fatalities.

It's a pretty tough sell to claim that the activists were intent upon lethal violence and were just tremendously incompetant at it, but the IDF was so restrained, but just happened to kill lots of people anyway.

I don't in any way want to excuse the violence done by the activists or the Israelis. But let's continue to apply common sense to understand the various spins on news. Perhaps Israel apologists will claim that such lethal violence is warranted or necessary. Just please don't try to claim that the IDF has been restrained in its reaction.

by: LFT

06-05-2010 @ 10:10pm

LatmaTV - June 03, 2010 - http://www.facebook.com/latma.co.il
the Gaza Flotilla participants explain how they can con the world

full text:

There comes a time
When we need to make a show
For the world, the Web and CNN
There's no people dying,
so the best that we can do
Is create the greatest bluff of all

We must go on pretending day by day
That in Gaza, there's crisis, hunger and plague
Coz the billion bucks in aid won't buy their basic needs
Like some cheese and missiles for the kids

We'll make the world
Abandon reason
We'll make them all believe that the Hamas
Is Momma Theresa
We are peaceful travelers
With guns and our own knives
The truth will never find its way to your TV

Ooooh, we'll stab them at heart
They are soldiers, no one cares
We are small, and we took some pictures with doves
As Allah showed us, for facts there's no demand
So we will always gain the upper hand

We'll make the world
Abandon reason
We'll make them all believe that the Hamas
Is Momma Theresa
We are peaceful travelers
we're waving our own knives
The truth will never find its way to your TV

If Islam and terror brighten up your mood
But you worry that it may not look so good
Well well well well don't you realize
You just gotta call yourself
An activist for peace and human aid

We'll make the world
Abandon reason
We'll make them all believe that the Hamas
Is Momma Theresa
We are peaceful travelers
We're waving our own knives
The truth will never find its way to your TV

We con the world
We con the people
We'll make them all believe the IDF is Jack the Ripper
We are peaceful travelers
We're waving our own knives
The truth will never find its way to your TV
We con the world (Bruce: we con the world...)
We con the people (Bruce: we con the people...)
We'll make them all believe the IDF is Jack the Ripper
We are peaceful travelers
We're waving our own knives
The truth will never find its way to your TV
The truth will never find its way to your TV

by: Stein

06-02-2010 @ 8:17pm

"So let me get this straight?"

So get it straight -- the Israeli's stopped the flotilla ILLEGALLY in international waters because the flotilla had stated it wanted to challenge a blockade by Israel that had already been declared ILLEGAL by international law.

Please reread the original post -- this time really reading! You can always left out a few slanted facts and make your partisan case. I have proven that by lifting out other slanted facts to make the opposite partisan case. The noble thing is to instead realize that the situation is complex and needs Christ-centered compassion to wade into.

by: rustys1

06-03-2010 @ 9:43pm

Police agencies around the world often find themselves in this situation. Violence breaks out, they have to use lethal force, and only one side has casualties. Does this imply that the police are always in the wrong, just because they are alive and assailants are dead? No, circumstance matters.

by: rustys1

06-03-2010 @ 9:43pm

Police agencies around the world often find themselves in this situation. Violence breaks out, they have to use lethal force, and only one side has casualties. Does this imply that the police are always in the wrong, just because they are alive and assailants are dead? No, circumstance matters.

by: rustys1

06-03-2010 @ 9:46pm

So the IHH and the Free Gaza Movement have no ties to terrorism? Read Below:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALe...

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/terror-fina...

by: rustys1

06-03-2010 @ 9:46pm

So the IHH and the Free Gaza Movement have no ties to terrorism? Read Below:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALe...

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/terror-fina...

by: Palamas

06-02-2010 @ 9:30pm

The blockade was found "illegal" by the UN. That is a virtual guarantee that it is, in fact, legal under the laws of war.

Here's the real point: if the blockade is actually illegal, then it is up to the members of the UN to get Israel AND Egypt to lift it, not a collection of "peace activists" more intent on making a political point than actually accomplishing anything.

by: Stein

06-05-2010 @ 4:05am

"The blockade was found "illegal" by the UN. That is a virtual guarantee that it is, in fact, legal under the laws of war. Here's the real point: if the blockade is actually illegal, then..."

Your own words convict you that you have no regard for the rule of law. When a law inconveniently gets in your way, you can always find an excuse or two to assert that you know better. Just for the sake of truth, at least admit to yourself that these are only weak excuses.

As to my real point -- the situation is complex. Violence, oppression, and evil has been done by both sides. Pointing fingers exclusively at one side is least likely to help. At least let us agree to not condone violence done by either side. I am willing to agree to that. Will you join me?

by: Stein

06-05-2010 @ 4:05am

"The blockade was found "illegal" by the UN. That is a virtual guarantee that it is, in fact, legal under the laws of war. Here's the real point: if the blockade is actually illegal, then..."

Your own words convict you that you have no regard for the rule of law. When a law inconveniently gets in your way, you can always find an excuse or two to assert that you know better. Just for the sake of truth, at least admit to yourself that these are only weak excuses.

As to my real point -- the situation is complex. Violence, oppression, and evil has been done by both sides. Pointing fingers exclusively at one side is least likely to help. At least let us agree to not condone violence done by either side. I am willing to agree to that. Will you join me?

by: Stein

06-05-2010 @ 5:41am

I agree with what you say. As with those situations that you mention, organized violence was probably not premeditated. My objection is with people who would paint the situation saying that the activists were planning the violence from the start and they somehow ambushed the IDF. Common sense based on the actual body count gives the lie to this attempted spin.

by: Stein

06-05-2010 @ 5:41am

I agree with what you say. As with those situations that you mention, organized violence was probably not premeditated. My objection is with people who would paint the situation saying that the activists were planning the violence from the start and they somehow ambushed the IDF. Common sense based on the actual body count gives the lie to this attempted spin.

by: NMRod

06-11-2010 @ 6:09am

Under the almost-universal religious laws of "an eye for an eye" retribution, Israel has the moral right to take the lives of at least 6 million non-Jews when it feels its security and survival interests are threatened, before it can be subject to judgment for such actions, because the non-Jewish world allowed the liquidation of 6 million Jews in the Holocaust without any serious attempts at intervention to save their lives or offer sanctuary.

Under this paradigm, there is still a tremendous imbalance of lost Jewish lives to be redressed before there can be any question of moral equivalence with the rest of the world's killing.

by: NMRod

06-11-2010 @ 6:35am

Nothing new in the Middle East. The Great powers subdued and dominated and made up the borders through military domination and Israel itself was founded upon violence, including terrorism used by the Irgun and Stern Gang, of which groups leading Israeli leaders have been members of. One man's "terrorist," in this case, truly is another man's "freedom fighter."

Whether it was justified or not is all based on which side one is on, because all have used the same tactics. It's not wrong when we do it, because "we" are by definition good, while "they" are bad. Our "good" ends supposedly justify "bad" means so they really are not bad at all, but transformed into good. Since the other side cannot by our definition have good ends, their means remain evil and unredeemed.

by: letjusticerolldown

06-03-2010 @ 2:08pm

I really agree. This kind of story (big important drama with little good info but usable video) is great to demonstrate virtually all the "news sources" willingness to really bend stories into whatever form they want (for whatever purpose---usually unexamined purposes). Including Sojo.

by: rustys1

06-04-2010 @ 12:06am

"Free Gaza" Leader, Huwaida Arraf, made the flotilla's purpose plain at a June 19, 2009, press conference:

"Gaza does not need our charity but needs us to stand up against the [Israeli] forces".

In a 2002 article, she urged the Palestinians to incorporate violence in their strategy.

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/international/trut...

Seems like "much needed humanitarian aid" was the cover they needed to strike the enemy both physically and in the PR battle.

by: rustys1

06-04-2010 @ 12:06am

"Free Gaza" Leader, Huwaida Arraf, made the flotilla's purpose plain at a June 19, 2009, press conference:

"Gaza does not need our charity but needs us to stand up against the [Israeli] forces".

In a 2002 article, she urged the Palestinians to incorporate violence in their strategy.

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/international/trut...

Seems like "much needed humanitarian aid" was the cover they needed to strike the enemy both physically and in the PR battle.

by: rustys1

06-03-2010 @ 6:26pm

Obviously this was a "looking-for-a-fight" flotilla, not a "peace" flotilla. Please research who owned the boats and who financed the trip.

Israel offered many options to prevent conflict and preserve the "peacefulness" of this operation. But that's not what the "activists" were looking for was it?

by: saranewmexico

06-03-2010 @ 8:56pm

I had friends on the Freedom Flotilla and can vouch for the fact that they believe in nonviolent direct action to stop the suffering of Gazans.

The lead coalition partners included:
* Insani Yardim Vakfi (IHH), the largest coalition partner, contributing 2 Turkish-flagged cargo ships, the Turkish-flagged passenger ship "Mavi Marmara," and 380 Turkish nationals to the effort. This was IHH's first attempt to break the Gaza blockade.

* The European Campaign to End the Siege on Gaza, contributing the Greek-flagged passenger ship "Sfendoni." This was the European Campaign's second mission to Gaza.

* The Free Gaza Movement, contributing the U.S.-flagged passenger ship "Challenger I." This was Free Gaza's ninth mission to Gaza.

* A Ship to Gaza, Sweden, and A Ship to Gaza, Greece, contributing the Greek-flagged cargo ship "Eleftheri Mesogeios." This was the first voyage of A Ship to Gaza, Sweden, and the fourth of a Ship to Gaza, Greece.

All ships were thoroughly searched by local port authorities in Greece and Turkey prior to their departure. Additionally, the coalition hired an independent security firm to search the ships and certify that no weapons were on board. All passengers went through nonviolence training and were likewise searched for weapons prior to boarding. The Turkish government, a member-state of the NATO alliance, vetted all the Turkish passengers to insure there was no one with ties to extremist groups. These precautionary steps were deliberately taken to prevent Israeli propaganda officials from ever being able to claim that the Freedom Flotilla posed any 'security risk' to Israel.

There was a live satellite feed broadcasting the voyage from the Mavi Marmara, as well as GPS transponders showing the exact location of the flotilla at all times to anyone viewing the coalition website. The intention of the Freedom Flotilla was never to 'provoke a confrontation,' but simply to deliver much-needed humanitarian aid to besieged Gaza, and in so doing to draw attention to the brutal Israeli policies that are forcing the Palestinian people into a state of impoverished dependency.

by: Stein

06-03-2010 @ 9:30pm

Who started the violence? I don't know -- both sides acted violently. Probably there was increasing escalation by both sides in action--counteraction--reaction. Violence tends to escalate this way.

Who started the LETHAL violence? I know the answer to that one. No one disputes that only people on one side were killed.

When the Israeli's claim that they were ambushed by the flotilla activists, and fired upon by guns "from all sides", that just doesn't square with the lack of Israeli fatalities.

It's a pretty tough sell to claim that the activists were intent upon lethal violence and were just tremendously incompetant at it, but the IDF was so restrained, but just happened to kill lots of people anyway.

I don't in any way want to excuse the violence done by the activists or the Israelis. But let's continue to apply common sense to understand the various spins on news. Perhaps Israel apologists will claim that such lethal violence is warranted or necessary. Just please don't try to claim that the IDF has been restrained in its reaction.

by: Moti Rieber

06-02-2010 @ 7:14pm

I'm not sure I buy the piece about the violence not being intentional making it okay. If the marchers had beaten on the troopers on the Edmund Pettis bridge, it wouldn't have mattered whether they'd intended in advance to do it.

On the one hand, the violence of the passengers compromises the moral power of the Flotilla events. On the other hand, without the violence the incident doesn't get nearly this much attention. So it's hard to see it as an example of effective nonviolent action.

by: rustys1

06-03-2010 @ 9:43pm

Police agencies around the world often find themselves in this situation. Violence breaks out, they have to use lethal force, and only one side has casualties. Does this imply that the police are always in the wrong, just because they are alive and assailants are dead? No, circumstance matters.

by: Moti Rieber

06-02-2010 @ 7:14pm

I'm not sure I buy the piece about the violence not being intentional making it okay. If the marchers had beaten on the troopers on the Edmund Pettis bridge, it wouldn't have mattered whether they'd intended in advance to do it.

On the one hand, the violence of the passengers compromises the moral power of the Flotilla events. On the other hand, without the violence the incident doesn't get nearly this much attention. So it's hard to see it as an example of effective nonviolent action.

by: rustys1

06-03-2010 @ 9:46pm

So the IHH and the Free Gaza Movement have no ties to terrorism? Read Below:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALe...

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/terror-fina...

by: pcnot4me

06-02-2010 @ 6:57pm

So let me get this straight?

The flotilla ignored the proper procedures for delivering aid. Aid that is delivered all the time. Then they ignored the request for the Israeli's to deliver the aid for them.

Then when they were stopped they instigated the violence. But they really really are non violent peaceful people....on a mission of peace...they promise. In fact you can ask their friends Hamas if you don't believe them.

by: LFT

06-05-2010 @ 10:10pm

LatmaTV - June 03, 2010 - http://www.facebook.com/latma.co.il
the Gaza Flotilla participants explain how they can con the world

full text:

There comes a time
When we need to make a show
For the world, the Web and CNN
There's no people dying,
so the best that we can do
Is create the greatest bluff of all

We must go on pretending day by day
That in Gaza, there's crisis, hunger and plague
Coz the billion bucks in aid won't buy their basic needs
Like some cheese and missiles for the kids

We'll make the world
Abandon reason
We'll make them all believe that the Hamas
Is Momma Theresa
We are peaceful travelers
With guns and our own knives
The truth will never find its way to your TV

Ooooh, we'll stab them at heart
They are soldiers, no one cares
We are small, and we took some pictures with doves
As Allah showed us, for facts there's no demand
So we will always gain the upper hand

We'll make the world
Abandon reason
We'll make them all believe that the Hamas
Is Momma Theresa
We are peaceful travelers
we're waving our own knives
The truth will never find its way to your TV

If Islam and terror brighten up your mood
But you worry that it may not look so good
Well well well well don't you realize
You just gotta call yourself
An activist for peace and human aid

We'll make the world
Abandon reason
We'll make them all believe that the Hamas
Is Momma Theresa
We are peaceful travelers
We're waving our own knives
The truth will never find its way to your TV

We con the world
We con the people
We'll make them all believe the IDF is Jack the Ripper
We are peaceful travelers
We're waving our own knives
The truth will never find its way to your TV
We con the world (Bruce: we con the world...)
We con the people (Bruce: we con the people...)
We'll make them all believe the IDF is Jack the Ripper
We are peaceful travelers
We're waving our own knives
The truth will never find its way to your TV
The truth will never find its way to your TV

by: pcnot4me

06-02-2010 @ 6:57pm

So let me get this straight?

The flotilla ignored the proper procedures for delivering aid. Aid that is delivered all the time. Then they ignored the request for the Israeli's to deliver the aid for them.

Then when they were stopped they instigated the violence. But they really really are non violent peaceful people....on a mission of peace...they promise. In fact you can ask their friends Hamas if you don't believe them.

by: LFT

06-05-2010 @ 10:10pm

LatmaTV - June 03, 2010 - http://www.facebook.com/latma.co.il
the Gaza Flotilla participants explain how they can con the world

full text:

There comes a time
When we need to make a show
For the world, the Web and CNN
There's no people dying,
so the best that we can do
Is create the greatest bluff of all

We must go on pretending day by day
That in Gaza, there's crisis, hunger and plague
Coz the billion bucks in aid won't buy their basic needs
Like some cheese and missiles for the kids

We'll make the world
Abandon reason
We'll make them all believe that the Hamas
Is Momma Theresa
We are peaceful travelers
With guns and our own knives
The truth will never find its way to your TV

Ooooh, we'll stab them at heart
They are soldiers, no one cares
We are small, and we took some pictures with doves
As Allah showed us, for facts there's no demand
So we will always gain the upper hand

We'll make the world
Abandon reason
We'll make them all believe that the Hamas
Is Momma Theresa
We are peaceful travelers
we're waving our own knives
The truth will never find its way to your TV

If Islam and terror brighten up your mood
But you worry that it may not look so good
Well well well well don't you realize
You just gotta call yourself
An activist for peace and human aid

We'll make the world
Abandon reason
We'll make them all believe that the Hamas
Is Momma Theresa
We are peaceful travelers
We're waving our own knives
The truth will never find its way to your TV

We con the world
We con the people
We'll make them all believe the IDF is Jack the Ripper
We are peaceful travelers
We're waving our own knives
The truth will never find its way to your TV
We con the world (Bruce: we con the world...)
We con the people (Bruce: we con the people...)
We'll make them all believe the IDF is Jack the Ripper
We are peaceful travelers
We're waving our own knives
The truth will never find its way to your TV
The truth will never find its way to your TV

by: histrogeek

06-02-2010 @ 6:51pm

"Some are going to look at this and say, "See, they tried a nonviolent approach, and it ended in violence. Therefore, the mission failed, and nonviolence doesn't work." "

This is a common problem with any activism and needs to be fought. As Dr. King once pointed out, violence is self-justifying because it provides an emotional gratification apart from its effectiveness. Once it begins, its advocates always insist that more violence is the answer.

The simple fact that violent responses usually lead to greater violence is ignored. Hamas rocket attacks have not moved the Palestinian cause one inch further. The Israeli attack on Hizbollah in Lebanon has not made the country safer. And on and on.

If a willingness to use violence could be successful in Israel/Palestine, it would have succeeded already. Both sides have shown a horrifying willingness to ignore standards of civilization and humanity.

by: histrogeek

06-02-2010 @ 6:51pm

"Some are going to look at this and say, "See, they tried a nonviolent approach, and it ended in violence. Therefore, the mission failed, and nonviolence doesn't work." "

This is a common problem with any activism and needs to be fought. As Dr. King once pointed out, violence is self-justifying because it provides an emotional gratification apart from its effectiveness. Once it begins, its advocates always insist that more violence is the answer.

The simple fact that violent responses usually lead to greater violence is ignored. Hamas rocket attacks have not moved the Palestinian cause one inch further. The Israeli attack on Hizbollah in Lebanon has not made the country safer. And on and on.

If a willingness to use violence could be successful in Israel/Palestine, it would have succeeded already. Both sides have shown a horrifying willingness to ignore standards of civilization and humanity.

by: Joel225A

06-02-2010 @ 7:45pm

Have noticed watching and listening the news how different this issue appears to even the news media . The BC , NPR especially paint Israel as the bad guys . Main Stream media I believe tilts to Israel but in this case it does not . Conservative media is painting Israel as just defending themselves and brings up the rockets that have been shot at them from GAZA in almost every news account. That these guys provoked the fight and originally the soldiers only had Paint ball guns till they started getting hit with iron bars and started using real firearms . Both sides are so passionate and feel as though they have right on their side.

by: Joel225A

06-02-2010 @ 7:45pm

Have noticed watching and listening the news how different this issue appears to even the news media . The BC , NPR especially paint Israel as the bad guys . Main Stream media I believe tilts to Israel but in this case it does not . Conservative media is painting Israel as just defending themselves and brings up the rockets that have been shot at them from GAZA in almost every news account. That these guys provoked the fight and originally the soldiers only had Paint ball guns till they started getting hit with iron bars and started using real firearms . Both sides are so passionate and feel as though they have right on their side.

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by: histrogeek

06-02-2010 @ 6:51pm

"Some are going to look at this and say, "See, they tried a nonviolent approach, and it ended in violence. Therefore, the mission failed, and nonviolence doesn't work." "

This is a common problem with any activism and needs to be fought. As Dr. King once pointed out, violence is self-justifying because it provides an emotional gratification apart from its effectiveness. Once it begins, its advocates always insist that more violence is the answer.

The simple fact that violent responses usually lead to greater violence is ignored. Hamas rocket attacks have not moved the Palestinian cause one inch further. The Israeli attack on Hizbollah in Lebanon has not made the country safer. And on and on.

If a willingness to use violence could be successful in Israel/Palestine, it would have succeeded already. Both sides have shown a horrifying willingness to ignore standards of civilization and humanity.

by: histrogeek

06-02-2010 @ 6:51pm

"Some are going to look at this and say, "See, they tried a nonviolent approach, and it ended in violence. Therefore, the mission failed, and nonviolence doesn't work." "

This is a common problem with any activism and needs to be fought. As Dr. King once pointed out, violence is self-justifying because it provides an emotional gratification apart from its effectiveness. Once it begins, its advocates always insist that more violence is the answer.

The simple fact that violent responses usually lead to greater violence is ignored. Hamas rocket attacks have not moved the Palestinian cause one inch further. The Israeli attack on Hizbollah in Lebanon has not made the country safer. And on and on.

If a willingness to use violence could be successful in Israel/Palestine, it would have succeeded already. Both sides have shown a horrifying willingness to ignore standards of civilization and humanity.

by: histrogeek

06-02-2010 @ 6:51pm

"Some are going to look at this and say, "See, they tried a nonviolent approach, and it ended in violence. Therefore, the mission failed, and nonviolence doesn't work." "

This is a common problem with any activism and needs to be fought. As Dr. King once pointed out, violence is self-justifying because it provides an emotional gratification apart from its effectiveness. Once it begins, its advocates always insist that more violence is the answer.

The simple fact that violent responses usually lead to greater violence is ignored. Hamas rocket attacks have not moved the Palestinian cause one inch further. The Israeli attack on Hizbollah in Lebanon has not made the country safer. And on and on.

If a willingness to use violence could be successful in Israel/Palestine, it would have succeeded already. Both sides have shown a horrifying willingness to ignore standards of civilization and humanity.

by: pcnot4me

06-02-2010 @ 6:57pm

So let me get this straight?

The flotilla ignored the proper procedures for delivering aid. Aid that is delivered all the time. Then they ignored the request for the Israeli's to deliver the aid for them.

Then when they were stopped they instigated the violence. But they really really are non violent peaceful people....on a mission of peace...they promise. In fact you can ask their friends Hamas if you don't believe them.

by: pcnot4me

06-02-2010 @ 6:57pm

So let me get this straight?

The flotilla ignored the proper procedures for delivering aid. Aid that is delivered all the time. Then they ignored the request for the Israeli's to deliver the aid for them.

Then when they were stopped they instigated the violence. But they really really are non violent peaceful people....on a mission of peace...they promise. In fact you can ask their friends Hamas if you don't believe them.

by: pcnot4me

06-02-2010 @ 6:57pm

So let me get this straight?

The flotilla ignored the proper procedures for delivering aid. Aid that is delivered all the time. Then they ignored the request for the Israeli's to deliver the aid for them.

Then when they were stopped they instigated the violence. But they really really are non violent peaceful people....on a mission of peace...they promise. In fact you can ask their friends Hamas if you don't believe them.

by: Moti Rieber

06-02-2010 @ 7:14pm

I'm not sure I buy the piece about the violence not being intentional making it okay. If the marchers had beaten on the troopers on the Edmund Pettis bridge, it wouldn't have mattered whether they'd intended in advance to do it.

On the one hand, the violence of the passengers compromises the moral power of the Flotilla events. On the other hand, without the violence the incident doesn't get nearly this much attention. So it's hard to see it as an example of effective nonviolent action.

by: Moti Rieber

06-02-2010 @ 7:14pm

I'm not sure I buy the piece about the violence not being intentional making it okay. If the marchers had beaten on the troopers on the Edmund Pettis bridge, it wouldn't have mattered whether they'd intended in advance to do it.

On the one hand, the violence of the passengers compromises the moral power of the Flotilla events. On the other hand, without the violence the incident doesn't get nearly this much attention. So it's hard to see it as an example of effective nonviolent action.

by: Moti Rieber

06-02-2010 @ 7:14pm

I'm not sure I buy the piece about the violence not being intentional making it okay. If the marchers had beaten on the troopers on the Edmund Pettis bridge, it wouldn't have mattered whether they'd intended in advance to do it.

On the one hand, the violence of the passengers compromises the moral power of the Flotilla events. On the other hand, without the violence the incident doesn't get nearly this much attention. So it's hard to see it as an example of effective nonviolent action.

by: Joel225A

06-02-2010 @ 7:45pm

Have noticed watching and listening the news how different this issue appears to even the news media . The BC , NPR especially paint Israel as the bad guys . Main Stream media I believe tilts to Israel but in this case it does not . Conservative media is painting Israel as just defending themselves and brings up the rockets that have been shot at them from GAZA in almost every news account. That these guys provoked the fight and originally the soldiers only had Paint ball guns till they started getting hit with iron bars and started using real firearms . Both sides are so passionate and feel as though they have right on their side.

by: Joel225A

06-02-2010 @ 7:45pm

Have noticed watching and listening the news how different this issue appears to even the news media . The BC , NPR especially paint Israel as the bad guys . Main Stream media I believe tilts to Israel but in this case it does not . Conservative media is painting Israel as just defending themselves and brings up the rockets that have been shot at them from GAZA in almost every news account. That these guys provoked the fight and originally the soldiers only had Paint ball guns till they started getting hit with iron bars and started using real firearms . Both sides are so passionate and feel as though they have right on their side.

by: Joel225A

06-02-2010 @ 7:45pm

Have noticed watching and listening the news how different this issue appears to even the news media . The BC , NPR especially paint Israel as the bad guys . Main Stream media I believe tilts to Israel but in this case it does not . Conservative media is painting Israel as just defending themselves and brings up the rockets that have been shot at them from GAZA in almost every news account. That these guys provoked the fight and originally the soldiers only had Paint ball guns till they started getting hit with iron bars and started using real firearms . Both sides are so passionate and feel as though they have right on their side.

by: Stein

06-02-2010 @ 8:17pm

"So let me get this straight?"

So get it straight -- the Israeli's stopped the flotilla ILLEGALLY in international waters because the flotilla had stated it wanted to challenge a blockade by Israel that had already been declared ILLEGAL by international law.

Please reread the original post -- this time really reading! You can always left out a few slanted facts and make your partisan case. I have proven that by lifting out other slanted facts to make the opposite partisan case. The noble thing is to instead realize that the situation is complex and needs Christ-centered compassion to wade into.

by: Stein

06-02-2010 @ 8:17pm

"So let me get this straight?"

So get it straight -- the Israeli's stopped the flotilla ILLEGALLY in international waters because the flotilla had stated it wanted to challenge a blockade by Israel that had already been declared ILLEGAL by international law.

Please reread the original post -- this time really reading! You can always left out a few slanted facts and make your partisan case. I have proven that by lifting out other slanted facts to make the opposite partisan case. The noble thing is to instead realize that the situation is complex and needs Christ-centered compassion to wade into.

by: Stein

06-02-2010 @ 8:17pm

"So let me get this straight?"

So get it straight -- the Israeli's stopped the flotilla ILLEGALLY in international waters because the flotilla had stated it wanted to challenge a blockade by Israel that had already been declared ILLEGAL by international law.

Please reread the original post -- this time really reading! You can always left out a few slanted facts and make your partisan case. I have proven that by lifting out other slanted facts to make the opposite partisan case. The noble thing is to instead realize that the situation is complex and needs Christ-centered compassion to wade into.

by: Palamas

06-02-2010 @ 9:30pm

The blockade was found "illegal" by the UN. That is a virtual guarantee that it is, in fact, legal under the laws of war.

Here's the real point: if the blockade is actually illegal, then it is up to the members of the UN to get Israel AND Egypt to lift it, not a collection of "peace activists" more intent on making a political point than actually accomplishing anything.

by: Palamas

06-02-2010 @ 9:30pm

The blockade was found "illegal" by the UN. That is a virtual guarantee that it is, in fact, legal under the laws of war.

Here's the real point: if the blockade is actually illegal, then it is up to the members of the UN to get Israel AND Egypt to lift it, not a collection of "peace activists" more intent on making a political point than actually accomplishing anything.

by: Palamas

06-02-2010 @ 9:30pm

The blockade was found "illegal" by the UN. That is a virtual guarantee that it is, in fact, legal under the laws of war.

Here's the real point: if the blockade is actually illegal, then it is up to the members of the UN to get Israel AND Egypt to lift it, not a collection of "peace activists" more intent on making a political point than actually accomplishing anything.

by: letjusticerolldown

06-03-2010 @ 2:08pm

I really agree. This kind of story (big important drama with little good info but usable video) is great to demonstrate virtually all the "news sources" willingness to really bend stories into whatever form they want (for whatever purpose---usually unexamined purposes). Including Sojo.

by: letjusticerolldown

06-03-2010 @ 2:08pm

I really agree. This kind of story (big important drama with little good info but usable video) is great to demonstrate virtually all the "news sources" willingness to really bend stories into whatever form they want (for whatever purpose---usually unexamined purposes). Including Sojo.

by: rustys1

06-03-2010 @ 6:26pm

Obviously this was a "looking-for-a-fight" flotilla, not a "peace" flotilla. Please research who owned the boats and who financed the trip.

Israel offered many options to prevent conflict and preserve the "peacefulness" of this operation. But that's not what the "activists" were looking for was it?

by: rustys1

06-03-2010 @ 6:26pm

Obviously this was a "looking-for-a-fight" flotilla, not a "peace" flotilla. Please research who owned the boats and who financed the trip.

Israel offered many options to prevent conflict and preserve the "peacefulness" of this operation. But that's not what the "activists" were looking for was it?

by: rustys1

06-03-2010 @ 6:26pm

Obviously this was a "looking-for-a-fight" flotilla, not a "peace" flotilla. Please research who owned the boats and who financed the trip.

Israel offered many options to prevent conflict and preserve the "peacefulness" of this operation. But that's not what the "activists" were looking for was it?

by: saranewmexico

06-03-2010 @ 8:56pm

I had friends on the Freedom Flotilla and can vouch for the fact that they believe in nonviolent direct action to stop the suffering of Gazans.

The lead coalition partners included:
* Insani Yardim Vakfi (IHH), the largest coalition partner, contributing 2 Turkish-flagged cargo ships, the Turkish-flagged passenger ship "Mavi Marmara," and 380 Turkish nationals to the effort. This was IHH's first attempt to break the Gaza blockade.

* The European Campaign to End the Siege on Gaza, contributing the Greek-flagged passenger ship "Sfendoni." This was the European Campaign's second mission to Gaza.

* The Free Gaza Movement, contributing the U.S.-flagged passenger ship "Challenger I." This was Free Gaza's ninth mission to Gaza.

* A Ship to Gaza, Sweden, and A Ship to Gaza, Greece, contributing the Greek-flagged cargo ship "Eleftheri Mesogeios." This was the first voyage of A Ship to Gaza, Sweden, and the fourth of a Ship to Gaza, Greece.

All ships were thoroughly searched by local port authorities in Greece and Turkey prior to their departure. Additionally, the coalition hired an independent security firm to search the ships and certify that no weapons were on board. All passengers went through nonviolence training and were likewise searched for weapons prior to boarding. The Turkish government, a member-state of the NATO alliance, vetted all the Turkish passengers to insure there was no one with ties to extremist groups. These precautionary steps were deliberately taken to prevent Israeli propaganda officials from ever being able to claim that the Freedom Flotilla posed any 'security risk' to Israel.

There was a live satellite feed broadcasting the voyage from the Mavi Marmara, as well as GPS transponders showing the exact location of the flotilla at all times to anyone viewing the coalition website. The intention of the Freedom Flotilla was never to 'provoke a confrontation,' but simply to deliver much-needed humanitarian aid to besieged Gaza, and in so doing to draw attention to the brutal Israeli policies that are forcing the Palestinian people into a state of impoverished dependency.

by: saranewmexico

06-03-2010 @ 8:56pm

I had friends on the Freedom Flotilla and can vouch for the fact that they believe in nonviolent direct action to stop the suffering of Gazans.

The lead coalition partners included:
* Insani Yardim Vakfi (IHH), the largest coalition partner, contributing 2 Turkish-flagged cargo ships, the Turkish-flagged passenger ship "Mavi Marmara," and 380 Turkish nationals to the effort. This was IHH's first attempt to break the Gaza blockade.

* The European Campaign to End the Siege on Gaza, contributing the Greek-flagged passenger ship "Sfendoni." This was the European Campaign's second mission to Gaza.

* The Free Gaza Movement, contributing the U.S.-flagged passenger ship "Challenger I." This was Free Gaza's ninth mission to Gaza.

* A Ship to Gaza, Sweden, and A Ship to Gaza, Greece, contributing the Greek-flagged cargo ship "Eleftheri Mesogeios." This was the first voyage of A Ship to Gaza, Sweden, and the fourth of a Ship to Gaza, Greece.

All ships were thoroughly searched by local port authorities in Greece and Turkey prior to their departure. Additionally, the coalition hired an independent security firm to search the ships and certify that no weapons were on board. All passengers went through nonviolence training and were likewise searched for weapons prior to boarding. The Turkish government, a member-state of the NATO alliance, vetted all the Turkish passengers to insure there was no one with ties to extremist groups. These precautionary steps were deliberately taken to prevent Israeli propaganda officials from ever being able to claim that the Freedom Flotilla posed any 'security risk' to Israel.

There was a live satellite feed broadcasting the voyage from the Mavi Marmara, as well as GPS transponders showing the exact location of the flotilla at all times to anyone viewing the coalition website. The intention of the Freedom Flotilla was never to 'provoke a confrontation,' but simply to deliver much-needed humanitarian aid to besieged Gaza, and in so doing to draw attention to the brutal Israeli policies that are forcing the Palestinian people into a state of impoverished dependency.

by: saranewmexico

06-03-2010 @ 8:56pm

I had friends on the Freedom Flotilla and can vouch for the fact that they believe in nonviolent direct action to stop the suffering of Gazans.

The lead coalition partners included:
* Insani Yardim Vakfi (IHH), the largest coalition partner, contributing 2 Turkish-flagged cargo ships, the Turkish-flagged passenger ship "Mavi Marmara," and 380 Turkish nationals to the effort. This was IHH's first attempt to break the Gaza blockade.

* The European Campaign to End the Siege on Gaza, contributing the Greek-flagged passenger ship "Sfendoni." This was the European Campaign's second mission to Gaza.

* The Free Gaza Movement, contributing the U.S.-flagged passenger ship "Challenger I." This was Free Gaza's ninth mission to Gaza.

* A Ship to Gaza, Sweden, and A Ship to Gaza, Greece, contributing the Greek-flagged cargo ship "Eleftheri Mesogeios." This was the first voyage of A Ship to Gaza, Sweden, and the fourth of a Ship to Gaza, Greece.

All ships were thoroughly searched by local port authorities in Greece and Turkey prior to their departure. Additionally, the coalition hired an independent security firm to search the ships and certify that no weapons were on board. All passengers went through nonviolence training and were likewise searched for weapons prior to boarding. The Turkish government, a member-state of the NATO alliance, vetted all the Turkish passengers to insure there was no one with ties to extremist groups. These precautionary steps were deliberately taken to prevent Israeli propaganda officials from ever being able to claim that the Freedom Flotilla posed any 'security risk' to Israel.

There was a live satellite feed broadcasting the voyage from the Mavi Marmara, as well as GPS transponders showing the exact location of the flotilla at all times to anyone viewing the coalition website. The intention of the Freedom Flotilla was never to 'provoke a confrontation,' but simply to deliver much-needed humanitarian aid to besieged Gaza, and in so doing to draw attention to the brutal Israeli policies that are forcing the Palestinian people into a state of impoverished dependency.

by: Stein

06-03-2010 @ 9:30pm

Who started the violence? I don't know -- both sides acted violently. Probably there was increasing escalation by both sides in action--counteraction--reaction. Violence tends to escalate this way.

Who started the LETHAL violence? I know the answer to that one. No one disputes that only people on one side were killed.

When the Israeli's claim that they were ambushed by the flotilla activists, and fired upon by guns "from all sides", that just doesn't square with the lack of Israeli fatalities.

It's a pretty tough sell to claim that the activists were intent upon lethal violence and were just tremendously incompetant at it, but the IDF was so restrained, but just happened to kill lots of people anyway.

I don't in any way want to excuse the violence done by the activists or the Israelis. But let's continue to apply common sense to understand the various spins on news. Perhaps Israel apologists will claim that such lethal violence is warranted or necessary. Just please don't try to claim that the IDF has been restrained in its reaction.

by: Stein

06-03-2010 @ 9:30pm

Who started the violence? I don't know -- both sides acted violently. Probably there was increasing escalation by both sides in action--counteraction--reaction. Violence tends to escalate this way.

Who started the LETHAL violence? I know the answer to that one. No one disputes that only people on one side were killed.

When the Israeli's claim that they were ambushed by the flotilla activists, and fired upon by guns "from all sides", that just doesn't square with the lack of Israeli fatalities.

It's a pretty tough sell to claim that the activists were intent upon lethal violence and were just tremendously incompetant at it, but the IDF was so restrained, but just happened to kill lots of people anyway.

I don't in any way want to excuse the violence done by the activists or the Israelis. But let's continue to apply common sense to understand the various spins on news. Perhaps Israel apologists will claim that such lethal violence is warranted or necessary. Just please don't try to claim that the IDF has been restrained in its reaction.

by: Stein

06-03-2010 @ 9:30pm

Who started the violence? I don't know -- both sides acted violently. Probably there was increasing escalation by both sides in action--counteraction--reaction. Violence tends to escalate this way.

Who started the LETHAL violence? I know the answer to that one. No one disputes that only people on one side were killed.

When the Israeli's claim that they were ambushed by the flotilla activists, and fired upon by guns "from all sides", that just doesn't square with the lack of Israeli fatalities.

It's a pretty tough sell to claim that the activists were intent upon lethal violence and were just tremendously incompetant at it, but the IDF was so restrained, but just happened to kill lots of people anyway.

I don't in any way want to excuse the violence done by the activists or the Israelis. But let's continue to apply common sense to understand the various spins on news. Perhaps Israel apologists will claim that such lethal violence is warranted or necessary. Just please don't try to claim that the IDF has been restrained in its reaction.

by: rustys1

06-03-2010 @ 9:43pm

Police agencies around the world often find themselves in this situation. Violence breaks out, they have to use lethal force, and only one side has casualties. Does this imply that the police are always in the wrong, just because they are alive and assailants are dead? No, circumstance matters.

by: rustys1

06-03-2010 @ 9:43pm

Police agencies around the world often find themselves in this situation. Violence breaks out, they have to use lethal force, and only one side has casualties. Does this imply that the police are always in the wrong, just because they are alive and assailants are dead? No, circumstance matters.

by: rustys1

06-03-2010 @ 9:43pm

Police agencies around the world often find themselves in this situation. Violence breaks out, they have to use lethal force, and only one side has casualties. Does this imply that the police are always in the wrong, just because they are alive and assailants are dead? No, circumstance matters.

by: rustys1

06-03-2010 @ 9:46pm

So the IHH and the Free Gaza Movement have no ties to terrorism? Read Below:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALe...

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/terror-fina...

by: rustys1

06-03-2010 @ 9:46pm

So the IHH and the Free Gaza Movement have no ties to terrorism? Read Below:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALe...

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/terror-fina...

by: rustys1

06-03-2010 @ 9:46pm

So the IHH and the Free Gaza Movement have no ties to terrorism? Read Below:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALe...

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/terror-fina...

by: rustys1

06-04-2010 @ 12:06am

"Free Gaza" Leader, Huwaida Arraf, made the flotilla's purpose plain at a June 19, 2009, press conference:

"Gaza does not need our charity but needs us to stand up against the [Israeli] forces".

In a 2002 article, she urged the Palestinians to incorporate violence in their strategy.

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/international/trut...

Seems like "much needed humanitarian aid" was the cover they needed to strike the enemy both physically and in the PR battle.

by: rustys1

06-04-2010 @ 12:06am

"Free Gaza" Leader, Huwaida Arraf, made the flotilla's purpose plain at a June 19, 2009, press conference:

"Gaza does not need our charity but needs us to stand up against the [Israeli] forces".

In a 2002 article, she urged the Palestinians to incorporate violence in their strategy.

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/international/trut...

Seems like "much needed humanitarian aid" was the cover they needed to strike the enemy both physically and in the PR battle.

by: rustys1

06-04-2010 @ 12:06am

"Free Gaza" Leader, Huwaida Arraf, made the flotilla's purpose plain at a June 19, 2009, press conference:

"Gaza does not need our charity but needs us to stand up against the [Israeli] forces".

In a 2002 article, she urged the Palestinians to incorporate violence in their strategy.

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/international/trut...

Seems like "much needed humanitarian aid" was the cover they needed to strike the enemy both physically and in the PR battle.

by: SamHamilton

06-04-2010 @ 6:23pm

I read in the newspaper that Egypt also has a blockade of Gaza on its shared border. Does anyone know why Egypt maintains this blockade? Why is this never mentioned during discussions of the plight of the people who live in Gaza?

by: SamHamilton

06-04-2010 @ 6:23pm

I read in the newspaper that Egypt also has a blockade of Gaza on its shared border. Does anyone know why Egypt maintains this blockade? Why is this never mentioned during discussions of the plight of the people who live in Gaza?

by: SamHamilton

06-04-2010 @ 6:23pm

I read in the newspaper that Egypt also has a blockade of Gaza on its shared border. Does anyone know why Egypt maintains this blockade? Why is this never mentioned during discussions of the plight of the people who live in Gaza?

by: John Mulholland

06-04-2010 @ 6:50pm

"Why is this never mentioned during discussions of the plight of the people who live in Gaza?"

Simply put, some are not interested in the truth. It fails to fit the narrative.

by: John Mulholland

06-04-2010 @ 6:50pm

"Why is this never mentioned during discussions of the plight of the people who live in Gaza?"

Simply put, some are not interested in the truth. It fails to fit the narrative.

by: John Mulholland

06-04-2010 @ 6:50pm

"Why is this never mentioned during discussions of the plight of the people who live in Gaza?"

Simply put, some are not interested in the truth. It fails to fit the narrative.

by: Stein

06-05-2010 @ 4:05am

"The blockade was found "illegal" by the UN. That is a virtual guarantee that it is, in fact, legal under the laws of war. Here's the real point: if the blockade is actually illegal, then..."

Your own words convict you that you have no regard for the rule of law. When a law inconveniently gets in your way, you can always find an excuse or two to assert that you know better. Just for the sake of truth, at least admit to yourself that these are only weak excuses.

As to my real point -- the situation is complex. Violence, oppression, and evil has been done by both sides. Pointing fingers exclusively at one side is least likely to help. At least let us agree to not condone violence done by either side. I am willing to agree to that. Will you join me?

by: Stein

06-05-2010 @ 4:05am

"The blockade was found "illegal" by the UN. That is a virtual guarantee that it is, in fact, legal under the laws of war. Here's the real point: if the blockade is actually illegal, then..."

Your own words convict you that you have no regard for the rule of law. When a law inconveniently gets in your way, you can always find an excuse or two to assert that you know better. Just for the sake of truth, at least admit to yourself that these are only weak excuses.

As to my real point -- the situation is complex. Violence, oppression, and evil has been done by both sides. Pointing fingers exclusively at one side is least likely to help. At least let us agree to not condone violence done by either side. I am willing to agree to that. Will you join me?

by: Stein

06-05-2010 @ 4:05am

"The blockade was found "illegal" by the UN. That is a virtual guarantee that it is, in fact, legal under the laws of war. Here's the real point: if the blockade is actually illegal, then..."

Your own words convict you that you have no regard for the rule of law. When a law inconveniently gets in your way, you can always find an excuse or two to assert that you know better. Just for the sake of truth, at least admit to yourself that these are only weak excuses.

As to my real point -- the situation is complex. Violence, oppression, and evil has been done by both sides. Pointing fingers exclusively at one side is least likely to help. At least let us agree to not condone violence done by either side. I am willing to agree to that. Will you join me?

by: Stein

06-05-2010 @ 5:41am

I agree with what you say. As with those situations that you mention, organized violence was probably not premeditated. My objection is with people who would paint the situation saying that the activists were planning the violence from the start and they somehow ambushed the IDF. Common sense based on the actual body count gives the lie to this attempted spin.

by: Stein

06-05-2010 @ 5:41am

I agree with what you say. As with those situations that you mention, organized violence was probably not premeditated. My objection is with people who would paint the situation saying that the activists were planning the violence from the start and they somehow ambushed the IDF. Common sense based on the actual body count gives the lie to this attempted spin.

by: Stein

06-05-2010 @ 5:41am

I agree with what you say. As with those situations that you mention, organized violence was probably not premeditated. My objection is with people who would paint the situation saying that the activists were planning the violence from the start and they somehow ambushed the IDF. Common sense based on the actual body count gives the lie to this attempted spin.