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A Time for Moral Reckoning

I am watching unbelievable pictures tonight of endless swaths of brown oil mixed with the blue waters of the Gulf of Mexico, of dying wetlands and marshes, of miles of contaminated coastlines, of dead birds and animals, of helpless and hopeless Gulf Coast residents sadly witnessing their livelihoods and their lives slipping away. With the explosion and sinking of the BP oil rig six weeks ago, the immediate talk was about environmental threats and technical fixes, economic losses and political blaming, and debates about responsibility for the costs. But with the failure of the latest attempt to stop the spill, and with both BP and the federal government admitting they still really don't know how much oil has already spilled or will spill, a national discussion is beginning about the fundamental moral issues at stake, and perhaps even a national reflection on our whole way of life based on oil dependence and addiction.

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After the failure of "top kills" and "cut and cap" strategies, it now appears the gushing of oil into the sea could continue until at least August, or maybe even longer. This could be one of those moments when the nation's attention all turns to the same thing, as in 9/11 and the days after Katrina. To use an over-used phrase, this could be a "teachable moment," but as 9/11 and Katrina demonstrated, we don't necessarily learn the right lessons from teachable moments. This time we had better do so.

First, we have to change our language. This isn't a little "spill," it is an environmental catastrophe -- the potential contamination of a whole gulf (already a third is now off limits for fishing) and hundreds of miles of coastline, and it threatens to expand to an ocean and more coastlines. It will bring the destruction of critical wetlands, endanger countless species, end human ways of life dependent upon the sea, and now, it will increase the danger of a hurricane season that could dump not just water, but waves of oil just miles inland from the coasts.

Theologically, we are witnessing a massive despoiling of God's creation. We were meant to be stewards of the Gulf of Mexico, the wetlands that protect and spawn life, the islands and beaches, and all of God's creatures who inhabit the marine world. But instead, we are watching the destruction of all that. Why? Because of the greed for profits; because of deception and lies; because of both private and public irresponsibility. And at the root, because of an ethic of endless economic growth, fueled by carbon-based fossil fuels, that is ultimately unsustainable and unstable.

It's not just that BP has lied, even though they have -- over and over -- to cover up their behavior and avoid their obligations. It is that BP is a lie; what it stands for is a lie. It is a lie that we can continue to live this way, a lie that our style of life is stable and sustainable, a lie that these huge oil companies are really committed to a safe and renewable energy future. BP should indeed be made to pay for this crime against the creation -- likely with its very existence.

But I am also reminded of what G.K. Chesterton once said when asked what was most wrong with the world. He reportedly replied, "I am." Already, we are hearing some deeper reflection on the meaning of this daily disaster. Almost everyone now apparently agrees with the new direction of a "clean energy economy." And we know that will require a re-wiring of the energy grid (which many hope BP will have no part in). But it will also require a re-wiring of ourselves -- our demands, requirements, and insatiable desires. Our oil addiction has led us to environmental destruction, endless wars, and the sacrifice of young lives, and it has put our very souls in jeopardy. New York Times columnist Tom Freidman recently wondered about the deeper meaning of the Great Recession when he asked, "What if it's telling us that the whole growth model we created over the last fifty years is simply unsustainable economically and ecologically and that 2008 was when we hit the wall -- when Mother Nature and the market both said, 'No More.'" The Great Spill makes the point even more.

There is not one answer to this calamity; there are many: corporate responsibility, for a change; serious government regulation, for a change; public accountability, for a change; and real civic mobilization to protect the endangered waters, coasts, species, and people's livelihoods. But at a deeper level, we literally need a conversion of our habits of the heart, our energy sources, and our lifestyle choices. And somebody will need to lead the way. Who will dare to say that an economy of endless growth must be confronted and converted to an economy of sustainability, to what the Bible calls stewardship. What about the community of faith?

I am told this morning that the smell of oil is already apparent in the parks and playgrounds near the Mississippi coast. Unless this crisis in the Gulf finally becomes the wake-up call that signals a new national commitment to end our dependence on oil, our children may now be smelling their future.

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by: NC77

06-04-2010 @ 7:05pm

Something to ponder. Draw your own conclusions based on what the Holy Spirit speaks to you.

"The second angel sounded his trumpet, and something like a huge mountain, all ablaze was thrown into the sea. A third of the sea turned to blood, a third of the living creatures in the sea died, and a third of the ships were destroyed."

Revelation 8:8-9

If the oil flow from the earth is not stopped soon, do you have any idea of what might happen? Be ready, accept Jesus as your lord and savior today.

by: rondean09

06-14-2010 @ 1:11pm

Greetings . when asked what is most wrong with the world ?

" I am. "
My burden of guilt , can not be denied , but is hidden in its
enormity , and that the society and culture that I am born
into bears the guilt with me . My guilt is hidden by the
whole human race . Some maybe more so , some may be
less , but we are all over consuming our home . Creation
cries out , and in our hearts we can feel it .

" I am " just a person , a member of the Human Race .
May " we " find a way to resolve our differences and our
in-differences , of the societies and cultures that we are
born into , and accept much greater responsibility for the
stewardship and care , of this miraculous Creation that we
are born onto .

As individuals , may we look to how society grooms us to
identify ourselves as a part of , say this community , or that
group , or whatever country , etc etc . May we identify as a
concerned adult , who is alert and aware of the rapidly
changing world around us , and grow forwards into our
Space Age , working in harmony with our neighbors .

Envision how proud God and our ancestors will be , of the
Human Race . May we look to how each newborn , is
innocence , a clean slate , and grows up to become so
influenced by the world she/he is born into . We are all
innocent yet we are all " I am " .

by: NC77

06-04-2010 @ 6:55pm

I haven't flown since 1995. In the pre-AGW days when Al Gore was VP and not doing anything to push it.

I don't have a problem with people flying. I just have a problem with people saying we are addicted to oil then showing us their own addiction. If anyone wants to lead, please lead by example.

I think a good exercise for all would be all those who think AGW is such a problem and we are beyond peak oil. Abstain from flying period. I don't preach the doom and gloom of peak oil. There are abundant supplies and if it ever runs out, there is enough natural gas in the U.S. and the rest of the world to last for centuries.

by: Patricia

06-04-2010 @ 7:31pm

Sometimes people have to fly. For mission, for their jobs, for family emergencies, for business - there are many reasons, other than "addiction".

Sometimes the benefits gotten from flying balance out the fuel used for the journey.

Sometimes people (like me) use less fuel in other areas of their lives BECAUSE they fly occasionally.

I just don't think it's fair, or honest, for anyone to advocate others adopting a pre-fire-discovery lifestyle, or judging their particular mission and the demands of that mission, all the while using plenty of fossil fuels themselves.

And, I don't think it's fair, or honest, to require some prophets to be saints on earth, always finding fault in their perceived imperfections when they happen to be prophets we do not agree with, while granting easy excuses and dispensations for the sins of those with whom we do agree.

Perhaps Jim's calling and mission require more travel than yours or mine does - who are any of us to judge what God might be calling Jim to do, just because he happens to ask questions and issue challenges that are uncomfortable for us to examine in the lights of our own lives and responsibilities?

I am just saying that anyone who uses any petroleum products at all ought not to be calling out anyone else for doing the same thing.

Fingerpointing and judging are not going to get us out of this mess - we are each going to have to make difficult, lifestyle-changing decisions in order to save our planet. So we ought to look to ourselves and perfect ourselves before judging others.

by: NC77

06-04-2010 @ 7:05pm

Something to ponder. Draw your own conclusions based on what the Holy Spirit speaks to you.

"The second angel sounded his trumpet, and something like a huge mountain, all ablaze was thrown into the sea. A third of the sea turned to blood, a third of the living creatures in the sea died, and a third of the ships were destroyed."

Revelation 8:8-9

If the oil flow from the earth is not stopped soon, do you have any idea of what might happen? Be ready, accept Jesus as your lord and savior today.

by: NC77

06-04-2010 @ 7:05pm

Something to ponder. Draw your own conclusions based on what the Holy Spirit speaks to you.

"The second angel sounded his trumpet, and something like a huge mountain, all ablaze was thrown into the sea. A third of the sea turned to blood, a third of the living creatures in the sea died, and a third of the ships were destroyed."

Revelation 8:8-9

If the oil flow from the earth is not stopped soon, do you have any idea of what might happen? Be ready, accept Jesus as your lord and savior today.

by: NC77

06-04-2010 @ 6:55pm

I haven't flown since 1995. In the pre-AGW days when Al Gore was VP and not doing anything to push it.

I don't have a problem with people flying. I just have a problem with people saying we are addicted to oil then showing us their own addiction. If anyone wants to lead, please lead by example.

I think a good exercise for all would be all those who think AGW is such a problem and we are beyond peak oil. Abstain from flying period. I don't preach the doom and gloom of peak oil. There are abundant supplies and if it ever runs out, there is enough natural gas in the U.S. and the rest of the world to last for centuries.

by: NC77

06-04-2010 @ 6:55pm

I haven't flown since 1995. In the pre-AGW days when Al Gore was VP and not doing anything to push it.

I don't have a problem with people flying. I just have a problem with people saying we are addicted to oil then showing us their own addiction. If anyone wants to lead, please lead by example.

I think a good exercise for all would be all those who think AGW is such a problem and we are beyond peak oil. Abstain from flying period. I don't preach the doom and gloom of peak oil. There are abundant supplies and if it ever runs out, there is enough natural gas in the U.S. and the rest of the world to last for centuries.

by: Patricia

06-04-2010 @ 7:31pm

Sometimes people have to fly. For mission, for their jobs, for family emergencies, for business - there are many reasons, other than "addiction".

Sometimes the benefits gotten from flying balance out the fuel used for the journey.

Sometimes people (like me) use less fuel in other areas of their lives BECAUSE they fly occasionally.

I just don't think it's fair, or honest, for anyone to advocate others adopting a pre-fire-discovery lifestyle, or judging their particular mission and the demands of that mission, all the while using plenty of fossil fuels themselves.

And, I don't think it's fair, or honest, to require some prophets to be saints on earth, always finding fault in their perceived imperfections when they happen to be prophets we do not agree with, while granting easy excuses and dispensations for the sins of those with whom we do agree.

Perhaps Jim's calling and mission require more travel than yours or mine does - who are any of us to judge what God might be calling Jim to do, just because he happens to ask questions and issue challenges that are uncomfortable for us to examine in the lights of our own lives and responsibilities?

I am just saying that anyone who uses any petroleum products at all ought not to be calling out anyone else for doing the same thing.

Fingerpointing and judging are not going to get us out of this mess - we are each going to have to make difficult, lifestyle-changing decisions in order to save our planet. So we ought to look to ourselves and perfect ourselves before judging others.

by: Patricia

06-04-2010 @ 7:31pm

Sometimes people have to fly. For mission, for their jobs, for family emergencies, for business - there are many reasons, other than "addiction".

Sometimes the benefits gotten from flying balance out the fuel used for the journey.

Sometimes people (like me) use less fuel in other areas of their lives BECAUSE they fly occasionally.

I just don't think it's fair, or honest, for anyone to advocate others adopting a pre-fire-discovery lifestyle, or judging their particular mission and the demands of that mission, all the while using plenty of fossil fuels themselves.

And, I don't think it's fair, or honest, to require some prophets to be saints on earth, always finding fault in their perceived imperfections when they happen to be prophets we do not agree with, while granting easy excuses and dispensations for the sins of those with whom we do agree.

Perhaps Jim's calling and mission require more travel than yours or mine does - who are any of us to judge what God might be calling Jim to do, just because he happens to ask questions and issue challenges that are uncomfortable for us to examine in the lights of our own lives and responsibilities?

I am just saying that anyone who uses any petroleum products at all ought not to be calling out anyone else for doing the same thing.

Fingerpointing and judging are not going to get us out of this mess - we are each going to have to make difficult, lifestyle-changing decisions in order to save our planet. So we ought to look to ourselves and perfect ourselves before judging others.

by: Ngchen

06-04-2010 @ 8:53pm

As catastrophic as this disaster is, I wonder if people are overreacting. After all, we generally don't ground all the commercial airplanes after a crash, even though plane crashes are bad. What we do do after a crash is investigate the cause of the crash, and then make changes as appropriate to reduce the chances of a similar crash happening again. So, I will list a few suggestions as to what might be reasonable things to do here.

First, stop the continued dump of oil into the gulf.
Second, investigate how exactly the safety mechanisms all failed. The supposedly "fail-safe" mechanisms obviously did not work. Why not? The government is investigating whether corners were cut, and/or laws broken.
Third, permit offshore drilling, but make the companies strictly liable for any and all damages. Then they will have a very strong incentive to be as spill free as possible. Mandate something like a 1 billion dollar insurance policy.
Fourth, figure out ways to improve the spill response. I get the impression that the response to this disaster was very ad hoc, and things had to be developed on the fly.

As to conservation efforts, I strongly support them. People are moving back to the cities, and yes it's a travesty how we're currently addicted to oil.

by: BuckeyeDon

06-04-2010 @ 9:12pm

"There are abundant supplies and if it ever runs out, there is enough natural gas in the U.S. and the rest of the world to last for centuries."

Take a look at this site:
http://www.jfcom.mil/newslink/storyarchive/2010...

This is the US military. Go to p. 24 and read their predictions of massive oil shortages by 2015 if we don't develop unspecified "new discoveries." Look at the graph and see what's happening to existing reserves (the curve is following precisely the production curve predicted by peak oil 'gloom and doomers'). Ask yourself where these new discoveries are and, like Squeaky suggested, go to the USGS Web site and see if you can find out where the new development is going to come from. Because to maintain our current lifestyle we would need to discover the equivalent of a new Saudi Arabia about every five years or so. Do you think that's possible? Where are these huge deposits just waiting for our drills to tap into?

An aside: for the climate change skeptics reading this, go to the same report and turn to p. 32. If climate change is a hoax, why are the US military forces concerned about it as a possible national security risk?

by: squeaky

06-04-2010 @ 8:51pm

"There are abundant supplies and if it ever runs out, there is enough natural gas in the U.S. and the rest of the world to last for centuries."

Perhaps you would do well to see what the USGS has to say about that.

by: LED Tube

08-11-2011 @ 2:28am

I hope to see acknowledgement of great injustice done to thousands of
innocent Muslims, whether by their own, or by others. It does not matter
who. And where is the "design" in this design? The typography's crap.
In one minute, I aim to forget this dude's name.

by: NC77

06-04-2010 @ 10:33pm

Thanks Don. I will check out the document you linked to. BTW. I see on the second page under "About this Study" it says.

"This document is speculative in nature and does not suppose to predict what will happen in the next twenty-five years."

Nevertheless, I will give it a look through and get back with you.

Thanks again, and Go Buckeyes :)

by: LED Tube

08-11-2011 @ 2:28am

I hope to see acknowledgement of great injustice done to thousands of
innocent Muslims, whether by their own, or by others. It does not matter
who. And where is the "design" in this design? The typography's crap.
In one minute, I aim to forget this dude's name.

by: liberalinlove

06-10-2010 @ 7:29pm

Coming to this discussion just a little late I guess, but I see the excitement of approaching our energy needs just like this model.

Looking at the recent post by Jonathon Wilson Hartgrove, "Health Care and New Imagination," we see the same model. Yes We Can, should be every Christian's model for problem solving. Why can't groups of "investors" in the kingdom of God, otherwise known as Christians, do the same thing. We could even start in the poorest neighborhoods providing clean energy for jobs etc. Maybe we should pray for a person who is gifted to begin this movement, to step in and for those gifted to come along side in support to bring this to pass. Great ideas Patricia.

by: Ngchen

06-04-2010 @ 8:53pm

As catastrophic as this disaster is, I wonder if people are overreacting. After all, we generally don't ground all the commercial airplanes after a crash, even though plane crashes are bad. What we do do after a crash is investigate the cause of the crash, and then make changes as appropriate to reduce the chances of a similar crash happening again. So, I will list a few suggestions as to what might be reasonable things to do here.

First, stop the continued dump of oil into the gulf.
Second, investigate how exactly the safety mechanisms all failed. The supposedly "fail-safe" mechanisms obviously did not work. Why not? The government is investigating whether corners were cut, and/or laws broken.
Third, permit offshore drilling, but make the companies strictly liable for any and all damages. Then they will have a very strong incentive to be as spill free as possible. Mandate something like a 1 billion dollar insurance policy.
Fourth, figure out ways to improve the spill response. I get the impression that the response to this disaster was very ad hoc, and things had to be developed on the fly.

As to conservation efforts, I strongly support them. People are moving back to the cities, and yes it's a travesty how we're currently addicted to oil.

by: Ngchen

06-04-2010 @ 8:53pm

As catastrophic as this disaster is, I wonder if people are overreacting. After all, we generally don't ground all the commercial airplanes after a crash, even though plane crashes are bad. What we do do after a crash is investigate the cause of the crash, and then make changes as appropriate to reduce the chances of a similar crash happening again. So, I will list a few suggestions as to what might be reasonable things to do here.

First, stop the continued dump of oil into the gulf.
Second, investigate how exactly the safety mechanisms all failed. The supposedly "fail-safe" mechanisms obviously did not work. Why not? The government is investigating whether corners were cut, and/or laws broken.
Third, permit offshore drilling, but make the companies strictly liable for any and all damages. Then they will have a very strong incentive to be as spill free as possible. Mandate something like a 1 billion dollar insurance policy.
Fourth, figure out ways to improve the spill response. I get the impression that the response to this disaster was very ad hoc, and things had to be developed on the fly.

As to conservation efforts, I strongly support them. People are moving back to the cities, and yes it's a travesty how we're currently addicted to oil.

by: BuckeyeDon

06-04-2010 @ 9:12pm

"There are abundant supplies and if it ever runs out, there is enough natural gas in the U.S. and the rest of the world to last for centuries."

Take a look at this site:
http://www.jfcom.mil/newslink/storyarchive/2010...

This is the US military. Go to p. 24 and read their predictions of massive oil shortages by 2015 if we don't develop unspecified "new discoveries." Look at the graph and see what's happening to existing reserves (the curve is following precisely the production curve predicted by peak oil 'gloom and doomers'). Ask yourself where these new discoveries are and, like Squeaky suggested, go to the USGS Web site and see if you can find out where the new development is going to come from. Because to maintain our current lifestyle we would need to discover the equivalent of a new Saudi Arabia about every five years or so. Do you think that's possible? Where are these huge deposits just waiting for our drills to tap into?

An aside: for the climate change skeptics reading this, go to the same report and turn to p. 32. If climate change is a hoax, why are the US military forces concerned about it as a possible national security risk?

by: BuckeyeDon

06-04-2010 @ 9:12pm

"There are abundant supplies and if it ever runs out, there is enough natural gas in the U.S. and the rest of the world to last for centuries."

Take a look at this site:
http://www.jfcom.mil/newslink/storyarchive/2010...

This is the US military. Go to p. 24 and read their predictions of massive oil shortages by 2015 if we don't develop unspecified "new discoveries." Look at the graph and see what's happening to existing reserves (the curve is following precisely the production curve predicted by peak oil 'gloom and doomers'). Ask yourself where these new discoveries are and, like Squeaky suggested, go to the USGS Web site and see if you can find out where the new development is going to come from. Because to maintain our current lifestyle we would need to discover the equivalent of a new Saudi Arabia about every five years or so. Do you think that's possible? Where are these huge deposits just waiting for our drills to tap into?

An aside: for the climate change skeptics reading this, go to the same report and turn to p. 32. If climate change is a hoax, why are the US military forces concerned about it as a possible national security risk?

by: dlowen

06-05-2010 @ 6:59am

I agree with Chesterton that I am what's wrong with the world, but I also hope to follow the admonition of Mahatma Gandhi to "be the change [I] want to see in the world."

IAs I saw the visual images of the burning rig collapsing into the Gulf and the subsequent images of the ever spreading oil slick I too thought of Revelation 8:8-9 The second angel sounded, and something like a great mountain burning with fire was thrown into the sea; and a third of the sea became blood,and a third of the creatures which were in the sea and had life, died; and a third of the ships were destroyed.

Wouldn't that be appropriate irony? "Drill baby, drill!"

by: squeaky

06-04-2010 @ 8:51pm

"There are abundant supplies and if it ever runs out, there is enough natural gas in the U.S. and the rest of the world to last for centuries."

Perhaps you would do well to see what the USGS has to say about that.

by: squeaky

06-04-2010 @ 8:51pm

"There are abundant supplies and if it ever runs out, there is enough natural gas in the U.S. and the rest of the world to last for centuries."

Perhaps you would do well to see what the USGS has to say about that.

by: Peter Thomas

06-03-2010 @ 8:19pm

Romans 3:22 This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.

When will the environmenatlists, who no doubt have not given up their cars and SUV's, but have forced oil drilling into very dangerous places, be called out for their responsibility in this disaster? We preserve deserts and remote areas by the millions of acres and now have lost livelihoods and coastal beauty for millions of people.

by: WitnessforPeace

06-05-2010 @ 3:18pm

Bingo: you have nailed it. The higher the barriers to entry are, the more the big corporations love it. They give lavishly to BOTH parties, and guess what IT WORKS! Altho she might disagree, this is remarkably similar to what my good friend WaveTossed and I were discussing yesterday! Big Government solutions won't work, but repentence, and personal lifestyle changes will make at least a small difference, right now.

by: Peter Thomas

06-03-2010 @ 8:19pm

Romans 3:22 This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.

When will the environmenatlists, who no doubt have not given up their cars and SUV's, but have forced oil drilling into very dangerous places, be called out for their responsibility in this disaster? We preserve deserts and remote areas by the millions of acres and now have lost livelihoods and coastal beauty for millions of people.

by: Patricia

06-05-2010 @ 4:34pm

I saw on PBS last night ("need to know" program) an interview where the gentleman (can't recall his name - menopause, you know...) stated that we are all to blame, not because we all use petroleum products, but because we failed to demand a real energy policy from our government (which is us). Interesting perspective to consider!

Also as part of that program, they featured Samso Island in Denmark as a possible model for success. They won a prize from the government for coming up with a plan to use wind power to lessen their reliance on fossil fuels. The money was used to put up 2 windmills, then private local investors put up 4 more, then the citizens of the island taxed themselves and built 10 more offshore. They started using the wood pellets from sawdust at the sawmill and straw from farms they were burning anyway to heat water and homes on the island, and individual residents bought their own wind turbines and solar panels. Now, 10 years later, the island is totally independent from fossil fuels for power, other than some gas for cars (but even that is changing - many people are switching to locally-grown rape-seed [canola] oil to run their cars and farm machinery, or switching to electric cars), and totally independent of "off-island" fuels. They generate enough extra to put back into their loop, so all their power comes from their local sources. Even the skeptics have come on board and are generating extra power and selling it back to the local system.

This was/is a combination of government (national and local) and private enterprise - no thrashing about fighting over public/private funding - they just did it. And it is a success.

10 years - a group of 4000 people made a complete change to clean, renewable energy in 10 years! I was left to wonder what is wrong with Americans that we don't have the drive and ingenuity to do the same thing?

by: dleeb

06-03-2010 @ 8:33pm

The Gulf tragedy is indeed that! Man's ingenuity can only go so far because we are not creators, only inventors, manipulating what God has already made. God made hydrocarbons including all fossil fuels. Fortunately, he allowed man the ability to discover fire. Oops, that's burning wood, precursor to coal. Was that a no-no? Even God used Moses' mother to cover his little basket with tar so that it would float. Not burned, but useful anyway! My point, What God made was good! Only man made it bad and sinful by willful disobedience. The wrong greed and incompetence of many has caused this tragedy. I pray the solution can be found soon to limit and stop the destruction of God's good earth. I also pray that the greed and sin which led to it impacting man will be resolved as well. That's only through God's provision in His Son, Jesus Christ. Without that ultimate solution, more gushers of different types will plague us until He returns to set it straight again.

by: dleeb

06-03-2010 @ 8:33pm

The Gulf tragedy is indeed that! Man's ingenuity can only go so far because we are not creators, only inventors, manipulating what God has already made. God made hydrocarbons including all fossil fuels. Fortunately, he allowed man the ability to discover fire. Oops, that's burning wood, precursor to coal. Was that a no-no? Even God used Moses' mother to cover his little basket with tar so that it would float. Not burned, but useful anyway! My point, What God made was good! Only man made it bad and sinful by willful disobedience. The wrong greed and incompetence of many has caused this tragedy. I pray the solution can be found soon to limit and stop the destruction of God's good earth. I also pray that the greed and sin which led to it impacting man will be resolved as well. That's only through God's provision in His Son, Jesus Christ. Without that ultimate solution, more gushers of different types will plague us until He returns to set it straight again.

by: jackvanfossen

06-03-2010 @ 8:40pm

The environmentalists are no more or less responsible than you are. Drilling in ANWR would not have averted this disaster. Everyone who uses petroleum is guilty by virtue of our endless demand for oil or gas. When was the last time you left the car at home or road your bike or took a bus to work? Don't blame the environmentalists. They are trying to protect the remaining natural resrources that are left that haven't been exploited by Big Oil and gas. Jim's article, if I could summarize it--look in the mirror and shift your paradigm before throwing stones at others. It takes a courage to do so.

by: jackvanfossen

06-03-2010 @ 8:40pm

The environmentalists are no more or less responsible than you are. Drilling in ANWR would not have averted this disaster. Everyone who uses petroleum is guilty by virtue of our endless demand for oil or gas. When was the last time you left the car at home or road your bike or took a bus to work? Don't blame the environmentalists. They are trying to protect the remaining natural resrources that are left that haven't been exploited by Big Oil and gas. Jim's article, if I could summarize it--look in the mirror and shift your paradigm before throwing stones at others. It takes a courage to do so.

by: Patricia

06-05-2010 @ 5:41pm

Well, effective, WELL-ENFORCED regulations would have helped, too...unfortunately under the previous administration, regulatory agencies were stacked full of employees and supervisors "friendlier" to the industries they were charged to regulate than they were to the trust they held to protect the American People's assets.

by: NC77

06-04-2010 @ 10:33pm

Thanks Don. I will check out the document you linked to. BTW. I see on the second page under "About this Study" it says.

"This document is speculative in nature and does not suppose to predict what will happen in the next twenty-five years."

Nevertheless, I will give it a look through and get back with you.

Thanks again, and Go Buckeyes :)

by: NC77

06-04-2010 @ 10:33pm

Thanks Don. I will check out the document you linked to. BTW. I see on the second page under "About this Study" it says.

"This document is speculative in nature and does not suppose to predict what will happen in the next twenty-five years."

Nevertheless, I will give it a look through and get back with you.

Thanks again, and Go Buckeyes :)

by: alisonagins

06-05-2010 @ 9:48pm

Revelation 11:18
God will destroy those that destroy the earth.

by: WitnessforPeace

06-05-2010 @ 10:34pm

If re-regulation had been a priority, don't you think Obama could've done something about this already? The Blame Game aside, I agree there is a place for government regulation. But this is a very minor point in Jim's column. Much of the discussion, including things I've posted, detracts from the main point: I AM THE PROBLEM. There is sin in my life, and in the world. There is only one solution to sin anywhere: God, in human form, takes the penalty upon himself. Everything other than the Cross is just a gaudy sideshow, however major the temporal consequences of our lust for Bread&Circuses.

by: Terry Beauchamp

06-15-2010 @ 12:28am

First of all, I am making generalizations and stating my opinions. First, Scripture says that God made man caretaker of creation... to subdue it to have dominion over it. Thus, 1) we are not to destroy it. BUT 2) neither are we to worship it... this oil spill is tragic, the earthquake in Haiti was tragic... these things happen. BUT... this is not the time for turning our troubles over to BIG governement... last I checked they were pretty much coming up empty for answers also! I work in healthcare and I will tell you they are creating the problems there... to 'improve' things they pass more and more regulations and mandates and pay less and less... we hear about the waste the healthcare system... they talk about the greed, well reality check... GOVERNMENT they vote themselves pay raises (both sides of the isle) when record numbers are losing their jobs. They draw from their own retirement (after serving only 1 term) when social security is on the brink of bankruptsy. They have their own health coverage when our senior citizens and veterans can't get decent care... and then come election time they moralize and tell use they'll fix corporate greed... wake up, they are milking the cow till the cow goes dry. Scripture talks about 1 world government, monetary system, and religion and most folks, even in the church shake their heads... well guys it also talks about the life in the sea dying... it talks about the natural disasters, it talks about the people worshipping the creation rather than the creator and how professing themselves to be wise they become fools, and fools will not stand for anything (they compromise and tolerate and rationlize) but they will fall.

Folks you can all label me as a nut, but my opinion is, as bad as the oil spill was/is, it is the least of our worries.

if my people (That's us), who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14

by: Patricia

06-06-2010 @ 7:26pm

No, I don't think he "could have done something about this already." It took 8 years to fill those agencies with "regulators", from top to bottom, who were more vested in industry interests than in the trust placed in them by the American people. It's going to take years now to undo that mentality - and it's not being helped by the Senate holding nominees hostage.

Having said that, I do agree that we are all part of the problem, and we need to repent of our sins, but I do not agree that government solutions, especially in a nation where we ARE the government, are not part of the picture and do not work. Obviously, in many cases, they have worked, they do work, and then can work.

by: Leslee Nichol Johnson

06-03-2010 @ 9:49pm

I very much appreciate Sojourner's perspective. The crisis is a spirtual one. Please check out my writing on the spill and the spiritual toxicity that must be addressed. I believe this is an apocalypse in the true sense of the word as a "revealing or uncovering"
You can read my column here: http://www.examiner.com/x-37099-Charleston-Natu...

by: Leslee Nichol Johnson

06-03-2010 @ 9:49pm

I very much appreciate Sojourner's perspective. The crisis is a spirtual one. Please check out my writing on the spill and the spiritual toxicity that must be addressed. I believe this is an apocalypse in the true sense of the word as a "revealing or uncovering"
You can read my column here: http://www.examiner.com/x-37099-Charleston-Natu...

by: liberalinlove

06-10-2010 @ 7:29pm

Coming to this discussion just a little late I guess, but I see the excitement of approaching our energy needs just like this model.

Looking at the recent post by Jonathon Wilson Hartgrove, "Health Care and New Imagination," we see the same model. Yes We Can, should be every Christian's model for problem solving. Why can't groups of "investors" in the kingdom of God, otherwise known as Christians, do the same thing. We could even start in the poorest neighborhoods providing clean energy for jobs etc. Maybe we should pray for a person who is gifted to begin this movement, to step in and for those gifted to come along side in support to bring this to pass. Great ideas Patricia.

by: WitnessforPeace

06-03-2010 @ 9:34pm

Bravo to Jim for the Chesterton quote! I am the problem. I drive when I could cycle, and even though I live near most of the places I go to, I still don't walk often enough.
My concern is that Jim jumps to a bunch of tired-and-failed "more government" solutions. With the entire country organized around cheap automobile trips and massive overconsumption, there are no quick fixes. The transportation problem is a physical one, but the overconsumption one is spiritual. Proposing a government solution--both parties promising growth and prosperity--involves, frankly, a lot of lying. I hope this column is a decisive halt to Jim's recent habit of reserving his harshest criticism for Republicans. Most recently, Jim was cheering a plan that would enormously expand our consumption of healthcare, with no thought for the costs, consequences, and alternatives. And not a word about the lack of exercise that contributes massively to our poor health and our demand for cheap, imported oil.

by: liberalinlove

06-10-2010 @ 7:29pm

Coming to this discussion just a little late I guess, but I see the excitement of approaching our energy needs just like this model.

Looking at the recent post by Jonathon Wilson Hartgrove, "Health Care and New Imagination," we see the same model. Yes We Can, should be every Christian's model for problem solving. Why can't groups of "investors" in the kingdom of God, otherwise known as Christians, do the same thing. We could even start in the poorest neighborhoods providing clean energy for jobs etc. Maybe we should pray for a person who is gifted to begin this movement, to step in and for those gifted to come along side in support to bring this to pass. Great ideas Patricia.

by: WitnessforPeace

06-03-2010 @ 9:34pm

Bravo to Jim for the Chesterton quote! I am the problem. I drive when I could cycle, and even though I live near most of the places I go to, I still don't walk often enough.
My concern is that Jim jumps to a bunch of tired-and-failed "more government" solutions. With the entire country organized around cheap automobile trips and massive overconsumption, there are no quick fixes. The transportation problem is a physical one, but the overconsumption one is spiritual. Proposing a government solution--both parties promising growth and prosperity--involves, frankly, a lot of lying. I hope this column is a decisive halt to Jim's recent habit of reserving his harshest criticism for Republicans. Most recently, Jim was cheering a plan that would enormously expand our consumption of healthcare, with no thought for the costs, consequences, and alternatives. And not a word about the lack of exercise that contributes massively to our poor health and our demand for cheap, imported oil.

by: WaveTossed

06-03-2010 @ 9:20pm

I've been writing a few posts to a few people about oil companies and public transportation. So let me scribble (actually type on my computer) a few things here:

First, we have to realize that BP is NOT part of any sort of "free-market" system. It is a part of a government-subsidized, taxpayer-subsidized (not only from income taxes but from added gasoline taxes) monopoly cartel. So to oppose government interference in BP's affairs and actions around their oil spill because of "free market" concerns is illogical, to say the least.

by: WaveTossed

06-03-2010 @ 9:20pm

I've been writing a few posts to a few people about oil companies and public transportation. So let me scribble (actually type on my computer) a few things here:

First, we have to realize that BP is NOT part of any sort of "free-market" system. It is a part of a government-subsidized, taxpayer-subsidized (not only from income taxes but from added gasoline taxes) monopoly cartel. So to oppose government interference in BP's affairs and actions around their oil spill because of "free market" concerns is illogical, to say the least.

by: WitnessforPeace

06-03-2010 @ 9:24pm

Thanks, WaveTossed. I would generally agree that there is some sort of "Military-industrial complex" thing going on here, to use Republican President Eisenhower's memorable phrase. I like the concept of changing this, but how would you propose changing this without making Big Government even bigger?

by: WitnessforPeace

06-03-2010 @ 9:24pm

Thanks, WaveTossed. I would generally agree that there is some sort of "Military-industrial complex" thing going on here, to use Republican President Eisenhower's memorable phrase. I like the concept of changing this, but how would you propose changing this without making Big Government even bigger?

by: Patricia

06-03-2010 @ 9:25pm

Actually, as someone who considers herself an environmentalist, let me tell you that we (my also-environmentalist husband, and I) have done:

Specifically moved into our town, into an area of town that would allow us to walk nearly everywhere we need to go (and we do).

My husband rides his bike to work frequently.

I purchased a wheeled market bag so when I do the majority of my shopping I can walk.

We work to combine trips so when we do have to drive, we don't drive unnecessarily.

We do not drive an SUV, but specifically chose our Subaru for its gas mileage and sturdiness.

We changed every lightbulb in our home to CFLs.

We turned down the temperature on our hot water heater.

That's just a start, as we are committed to being responsible stewards of God's creation. I could list many other changes we have made in our lifestyle in order to become better environmentalists and stewards.

Next time you wish to generalize about "environmentalists" being called out, you might want to consider that the majority of environmentalists are actually walking the walk, instead of immediately resorting to false, unfounded claims.

Are you pointing the finger at others so your own wastefulness can be justified, somehow, in your mind?

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by: Peter Thomas

06-03-2010 @ 8:19pm

Romans 3:22 This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.

When will the environmenatlists, who no doubt have not given up their cars and SUV's, but have forced oil drilling into very dangerous places, be called out for their responsibility in this disaster? We preserve deserts and remote areas by the millions of acres and now have lost livelihoods and coastal beauty for millions of people.

by: Peter Thomas

06-03-2010 @ 8:19pm

Romans 3:22 This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.

When will the environmenatlists, who no doubt have not given up their cars and SUV's, but have forced oil drilling into very dangerous places, be called out for their responsibility in this disaster? We preserve deserts and remote areas by the millions of acres and now have lost livelihoods and coastal beauty for millions of people.

by: Peter Thomas

06-03-2010 @ 8:19pm

Romans 3:22 This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.

When will the environmenatlists, who no doubt have not given up their cars and SUV's, but have forced oil drilling into very dangerous places, be called out for their responsibility in this disaster? We preserve deserts and remote areas by the millions of acres and now have lost livelihoods and coastal beauty for millions of people.

by: dleeb

06-03-2010 @ 8:33pm

The Gulf tragedy is indeed that! Man's ingenuity can only go so far because we are not creators, only inventors, manipulating what God has already made. God made hydrocarbons including all fossil fuels. Fortunately, he allowed man the ability to discover fire. Oops, that's burning wood, precursor to coal. Was that a no-no? Even God used Moses' mother to cover his little basket with tar so that it would float. Not burned, but useful anyway! My point, What God made was good! Only man made it bad and sinful by willful disobedience. The wrong greed and incompetence of many has caused this tragedy. I pray the solution can be found soon to limit and stop the destruction of God's good earth. I also pray that the greed and sin which led to it impacting man will be resolved as well. That's only through God's provision in His Son, Jesus Christ. Without that ultimate solution, more gushers of different types will plague us until He returns to set it straight again.

by: dleeb

06-03-2010 @ 8:33pm

The Gulf tragedy is indeed that! Man's ingenuity can only go so far because we are not creators, only inventors, manipulating what God has already made. God made hydrocarbons including all fossil fuels. Fortunately, he allowed man the ability to discover fire. Oops, that's burning wood, precursor to coal. Was that a no-no? Even God used Moses' mother to cover his little basket with tar so that it would float. Not burned, but useful anyway! My point, What God made was good! Only man made it bad and sinful by willful disobedience. The wrong greed and incompetence of many has caused this tragedy. I pray the solution can be found soon to limit and stop the destruction of God's good earth. I also pray that the greed and sin which led to it impacting man will be resolved as well. That's only through God's provision in His Son, Jesus Christ. Without that ultimate solution, more gushers of different types will plague us until He returns to set it straight again.

by: dleeb

06-03-2010 @ 8:33pm

The Gulf tragedy is indeed that! Man's ingenuity can only go so far because we are not creators, only inventors, manipulating what God has already made. God made hydrocarbons including all fossil fuels. Fortunately, he allowed man the ability to discover fire. Oops, that's burning wood, precursor to coal. Was that a no-no? Even God used Moses' mother to cover his little basket with tar so that it would float. Not burned, but useful anyway! My point, What God made was good! Only man made it bad and sinful by willful disobedience. The wrong greed and incompetence of many has caused this tragedy. I pray the solution can be found soon to limit and stop the destruction of God's good earth. I also pray that the greed and sin which led to it impacting man will be resolved as well. That's only through God's provision in His Son, Jesus Christ. Without that ultimate solution, more gushers of different types will plague us until He returns to set it straight again.

by: jackvanfossen

06-03-2010 @ 8:40pm

The environmentalists are no more or less responsible than you are. Drilling in ANWR would not have averted this disaster. Everyone who uses petroleum is guilty by virtue of our endless demand for oil or gas. When was the last time you left the car at home or road your bike or took a bus to work? Don't blame the environmentalists. They are trying to protect the remaining natural resrources that are left that haven't been exploited by Big Oil and gas. Jim's article, if I could summarize it--look in the mirror and shift your paradigm before throwing stones at others. It takes a courage to do so.

by: jackvanfossen

06-03-2010 @ 8:40pm

The environmentalists are no more or less responsible than you are. Drilling in ANWR would not have averted this disaster. Everyone who uses petroleum is guilty by virtue of our endless demand for oil or gas. When was the last time you left the car at home or road your bike or took a bus to work? Don't blame the environmentalists. They are trying to protect the remaining natural resrources that are left that haven't been exploited by Big Oil and gas. Jim's article, if I could summarize it--look in the mirror and shift your paradigm before throwing stones at others. It takes a courage to do so.

by: jackvanfossen

06-03-2010 @ 8:40pm

The environmentalists are no more or less responsible than you are. Drilling in ANWR would not have averted this disaster. Everyone who uses petroleum is guilty by virtue of our endless demand for oil or gas. When was the last time you left the car at home or road your bike or took a bus to work? Don't blame the environmentalists. They are trying to protect the remaining natural resrources that are left that haven't been exploited by Big Oil and gas. Jim's article, if I could summarize it--look in the mirror and shift your paradigm before throwing stones at others. It takes a courage to do so.

by: WaveTossed

06-03-2010 @ 9:20pm

I've been writing a few posts to a few people about oil companies and public transportation. So let me scribble (actually type on my computer) a few things here:

First, we have to realize that BP is NOT part of any sort of "free-market" system. It is a part of a government-subsidized, taxpayer-subsidized (not only from income taxes but from added gasoline taxes) monopoly cartel. So to oppose government interference in BP's affairs and actions around their oil spill because of "free market" concerns is illogical, to say the least.

by: WaveTossed

06-03-2010 @ 9:20pm

I've been writing a few posts to a few people about oil companies and public transportation. So let me scribble (actually type on my computer) a few things here:

First, we have to realize that BP is NOT part of any sort of "free-market" system. It is a part of a government-subsidized, taxpayer-subsidized (not only from income taxes but from added gasoline taxes) monopoly cartel. So to oppose government interference in BP's affairs and actions around their oil spill because of "free market" concerns is illogical, to say the least.

by: WaveTossed

06-03-2010 @ 9:20pm

I've been writing a few posts to a few people about oil companies and public transportation. So let me scribble (actually type on my computer) a few things here:

First, we have to realize that BP is NOT part of any sort of "free-market" system. It is a part of a government-subsidized, taxpayer-subsidized (not only from income taxes but from added gasoline taxes) monopoly cartel. So to oppose government interference in BP's affairs and actions around their oil spill because of "free market" concerns is illogical, to say the least.

by: WitnessforPeace

06-03-2010 @ 9:24pm

Thanks, WaveTossed. I would generally agree that there is some sort of "Military-industrial complex" thing going on here, to use Republican President Eisenhower's memorable phrase. I like the concept of changing this, but how would you propose changing this without making Big Government even bigger?

by: WitnessforPeace

06-03-2010 @ 9:24pm

Thanks, WaveTossed. I would generally agree that there is some sort of "Military-industrial complex" thing going on here, to use Republican President Eisenhower's memorable phrase. I like the concept of changing this, but how would you propose changing this without making Big Government even bigger?

by: WitnessforPeace

06-03-2010 @ 9:24pm

Thanks, WaveTossed. I would generally agree that there is some sort of "Military-industrial complex" thing going on here, to use Republican President Eisenhower's memorable phrase. I like the concept of changing this, but how would you propose changing this without making Big Government even bigger?

by: Patricia

06-03-2010 @ 9:25pm

Actually, as someone who considers herself an environmentalist, let me tell you that we (my also-environmentalist husband, and I) have done:

Specifically moved into our town, into an area of town that would allow us to walk nearly everywhere we need to go (and we do).

My husband rides his bike to work frequently.

I purchased a wheeled market bag so when I do the majority of my shopping I can walk.

We work to combine trips so when we do have to drive, we don't drive unnecessarily.

We do not drive an SUV, but specifically chose our Subaru for its gas mileage and sturdiness.

We changed every lightbulb in our home to CFLs.

We turned down the temperature on our hot water heater.

That's just a start, as we are committed to being responsible stewards of God's creation. I could list many other changes we have made in our lifestyle in order to become better environmentalists and stewards.

Next time you wish to generalize about "environmentalists" being called out, you might want to consider that the majority of environmentalists are actually walking the walk, instead of immediately resorting to false, unfounded claims.

Are you pointing the finger at others so your own wastefulness can be justified, somehow, in your mind?

by: Patricia

06-03-2010 @ 9:25pm

Actually, as someone who considers herself an environmentalist, let me tell you that we (my also-environmentalist husband, and I) have done:

Specifically moved into our town, into an area of town that would allow us to walk nearly everywhere we need to go (and we do).

My husband rides his bike to work frequently.

I purchased a wheeled market bag so when I do the majority of my shopping I can walk.

We work to combine trips so when we do have to drive, we don't drive unnecessarily.

We do not drive an SUV, but specifically chose our Subaru for its gas mileage and sturdiness.

We changed every lightbulb in our home to CFLs.

We turned down the temperature on our hot water heater.

That's just a start, as we are committed to being responsible stewards of God's creation. I could list many other changes we have made in our lifestyle in order to become better environmentalists and stewards.

Next time you wish to generalize about "environmentalists" being called out, you might want to consider that the majority of environmentalists are actually walking the walk, instead of immediately resorting to false, unfounded claims.

Are you pointing the finger at others so your own wastefulness can be justified, somehow, in your mind?

by: Patricia

06-03-2010 @ 9:25pm

Actually, as someone who considers herself an environmentalist, let me tell you that we (my also-environmentalist husband, and I) have done:

Specifically moved into our town, into an area of town that would allow us to walk nearly everywhere we need to go (and we do).

My husband rides his bike to work frequently.

I purchased a wheeled market bag so when I do the majority of my shopping I can walk.

We work to combine trips so when we do have to drive, we don't drive unnecessarily.

We do not drive an SUV, but specifically chose our Subaru for its gas mileage and sturdiness.

We changed every lightbulb in our home to CFLs.

We turned down the temperature on our hot water heater.

That's just a start, as we are committed to being responsible stewards of God's creation. I could list many other changes we have made in our lifestyle in order to become better environmentalists and stewards.

Next time you wish to generalize about "environmentalists" being called out, you might want to consider that the majority of environmentalists are actually walking the walk, instead of immediately resorting to false, unfounded claims.

Are you pointing the finger at others so your own wastefulness can be justified, somehow, in your mind?

by: WitnessforPeace

06-03-2010 @ 9:34pm

Bravo to Jim for the Chesterton quote! I am the problem. I drive when I could cycle, and even though I live near most of the places I go to, I still don't walk often enough.
My concern is that Jim jumps to a bunch of tired-and-failed "more government" solutions. With the entire country organized around cheap automobile trips and massive overconsumption, there are no quick fixes. The transportation problem is a physical one, but the overconsumption one is spiritual. Proposing a government solution--both parties promising growth and prosperity--involves, frankly, a lot of lying. I hope this column is a decisive halt to Jim's recent habit of reserving his harshest criticism for Republicans. Most recently, Jim was cheering a plan that would enormously expand our consumption of healthcare, with no thought for the costs, consequences, and alternatives. And not a word about the lack of exercise that contributes massively to our poor health and our demand for cheap, imported oil.

by: WitnessforPeace

06-03-2010 @ 9:34pm

Bravo to Jim for the Chesterton quote! I am the problem. I drive when I could cycle, and even though I live near most of the places I go to, I still don't walk often enough.
My concern is that Jim jumps to a bunch of tired-and-failed "more government" solutions. With the entire country organized around cheap automobile trips and massive overconsumption, there are no quick fixes. The transportation problem is a physical one, but the overconsumption one is spiritual. Proposing a government solution--both parties promising growth and prosperity--involves, frankly, a lot of lying. I hope this column is a decisive halt to Jim's recent habit of reserving his harshest criticism for Republicans. Most recently, Jim was cheering a plan that would enormously expand our consumption of healthcare, with no thought for the costs, consequences, and alternatives. And not a word about the lack of exercise that contributes massively to our poor health and our demand for cheap, imported oil.

by: WitnessforPeace

06-03-2010 @ 9:34pm

Bravo to Jim for the Chesterton quote! I am the problem. I drive when I could cycle, and even though I live near most of the places I go to, I still don't walk often enough.
My concern is that Jim jumps to a bunch of tired-and-failed "more government" solutions. With the entire country organized around cheap automobile trips and massive overconsumption, there are no quick fixes. The transportation problem is a physical one, but the overconsumption one is spiritual. Proposing a government solution--both parties promising growth and prosperity--involves, frankly, a lot of lying. I hope this column is a decisive halt to Jim's recent habit of reserving his harshest criticism for Republicans. Most recently, Jim was cheering a plan that would enormously expand our consumption of healthcare, with no thought for the costs, consequences, and alternatives. And not a word about the lack of exercise that contributes massively to our poor health and our demand for cheap, imported oil.

by: Leslee Nichol Johnson

06-03-2010 @ 9:49pm

I very much appreciate Sojourner's perspective. The crisis is a spirtual one. Please check out my writing on the spill and the spiritual toxicity that must be addressed. I believe this is an apocalypse in the true sense of the word as a "revealing or uncovering"
You can read my column here: http://www.examiner.com/x-37099-Charleston-Natu...

by: Leslee Nichol Johnson

06-03-2010 @ 9:49pm

I very much appreciate Sojourner's perspective. The crisis is a spirtual one. Please check out my writing on the spill and the spiritual toxicity that must be addressed. I believe this is an apocalypse in the true sense of the word as a "revealing or uncovering"
You can read my column here: http://www.examiner.com/x-37099-Charleston-Natu...

by: Leslee Nichol Johnson

06-03-2010 @ 9:49pm

I very much appreciate Sojourner's perspective. The crisis is a spirtual one. Please check out my writing on the spill and the spiritual toxicity that must be addressed. I believe this is an apocalypse in the true sense of the word as a "revealing or uncovering"
You can read my column here: http://www.examiner.com/x-37099-Charleston-Natu...

by: Patricia

06-03-2010 @ 9:58pm

I didn't see that "more government solutions" aspect in Jim's article - could you please quote what you're talking about?

I also didn't read him advocating any "quick fixes"

I also didn't read him advocating "promising growth and prosperity"

I also didn't read anything that I would consider "lying."

Again - please provide quotes from Jim so I know what evidence your criticism is based upon.

by: Patricia

06-03-2010 @ 9:58pm

I didn't see that "more government solutions" aspect in Jim's article - could you please quote what you're talking about?

I also didn't read him advocating any "quick fixes"

I also didn't read him advocating "promising growth and prosperity"

I also didn't read anything that I would consider "lying."

Again - please provide quotes from Jim so I know what evidence your criticism is based upon.

by: Patricia

06-03-2010 @ 9:58pm

I didn't see that "more government solutions" aspect in Jim's article - could you please quote what you're talking about?

I also didn't read him advocating any "quick fixes"

I also didn't read him advocating "promising growth and prosperity"

I also didn't read anything that I would consider "lying."

Again - please provide quotes from Jim so I know what evidence your criticism is based upon.

by: WitnessforPeace

06-03-2010 @ 10:11pm

When I said "Lying" I was referring to politicians, not Jim. He did, sadly, come close to lying in pushing, uncritically, for a health insurance bill that was very pro-abortion, and not "abortion neutral" at all. (It was less pro-abortion than Planned Parenthood wanted, of course, but it still represents a huge expansion of direct government funding.) Jim is a huge fan of Big Government and Barack Obama, in spite of the fact that he promised to be as pro-growth as his Republican opponent. Jim could've stayed out of it, and insisted that neither candidate was worthy of support.
"serious government regulation, for a change" is clearly a quick fix. If BP goes bankrupt, that might be all the disincentive other oil companies need for the sort of cost cutting that presumably led to or at contributed, to this disaster.

by: WitnessforPeace

06-03-2010 @ 10:11pm

When I said "Lying" I was referring to politicians, not Jim. He did, sadly, come close to lying in pushing, uncritically, for a health insurance bill that was very pro-abortion, and not "abortion neutral" at all. (It was less pro-abortion than Planned Parenthood wanted, of course, but it still represents a huge expansion of direct government funding.) Jim is a huge fan of Big Government and Barack Obama, in spite of the fact that he promised to be as pro-growth as his Republican opponent. Jim could've stayed out of it, and insisted that neither candidate was worthy of support.
"serious government regulation, for a change" is clearly a quick fix. If BP goes bankrupt, that might be all the disincentive other oil companies need for the sort of cost cutting that presumably led to or at contributed, to this disaster.

by: WitnessforPeace

06-03-2010 @ 10:11pm

When I said "Lying" I was referring to politicians, not Jim. He did, sadly, come close to lying in pushing, uncritically, for a health insurance bill that was very pro-abortion, and not "abortion neutral" at all. (It was less pro-abortion than Planned Parenthood wanted, of course, but it still represents a huge expansion of direct government funding.) Jim is a huge fan of Big Government and Barack Obama, in spite of the fact that he promised to be as pro-growth as his Republican opponent. Jim could've stayed out of it, and insisted that neither candidate was worthy of support.
"serious government regulation, for a change" is clearly a quick fix. If BP goes bankrupt, that might be all the disincentive other oil companies need for the sort of cost cutting that presumably led to or at contributed, to this disaster.

by: Kevin Wayne

06-03-2010 @ 10:18pm

However, it was the Gingrich-Era congress that cut the funding to the OTA, which would have been very useful right now in advising Congress how to make the technology work for us and prevent things like this from happening:

http://nader.org/index.php?/archives/2189-Time-...

by: Kevin Wayne

06-03-2010 @ 10:18pm

However, it was the Gingrich-Era congress that cut the funding to the OTA, which would have been very useful right now in advising Congress how to make the technology work for us and prevent things like this from happening:

http://nader.org/index.php?/archives/2189-Time-...

by: Kevin Wayne

06-03-2010 @ 10:18pm

However, it was the Gingrich-Era congress that cut the funding to the OTA, which would have been very useful right now in advising Congress how to make the technology work for us and prevent things like this from happening:

http://nader.org/index.php?/archives/2189-Time-...

by: BuckeyeDon

06-03-2010 @ 10:43pm

The Post Carbon Institute's Richard Heinberg just published some comments on President Obama's call yesterday for an end to dependence on fossil fuels. They said he's talking the talk, but asks whether we as Americans are willing to walk the walk. The necessary steps to end fossil fuel dependence are monumental; do we have the will to do them?

These are the things we must do:
* Enormous investment (many hundreds of billions of dollars cumulatively, spread out over a couple of decades) in solar, wind, and other alternative energy sources

* Massive shifts in transport infrastructure-away from internal combustion engines and toward electrification, including provision of electrified public transport options in every town and city

* A complete overhaul of urban planning at all levels to reduce the need for both commuting and long-distance shopping trips

* An epic effort to retrofit housing, especially across the northern tier of the nation, to dramatically reduce the need for indoor heating in winter months and to provide alternate heat sources

* A comprehensive redesign of the American food system, from farm to plate, to reduce fossil fuel inputs, soil erosion, and the need for irrigation.

Are we willing to do this?

http://www.postcarbon.org/blog-post/105111-talk...

by: BuckeyeDon

06-03-2010 @ 10:43pm

The Post Carbon Institute's Richard Heinberg just published some comments on President Obama's call yesterday for an end to dependence on fossil fuels. They said he's talking the talk, but asks whether we as Americans are willing to walk the walk. The necessary steps to end fossil fuel dependence are monumental; do we have the will to do them?

These are the things we must do:
* Enormous investment (many hundreds of billions of dollars cumulatively, spread out over a couple of decades) in solar, wind, and other alternative energy sources

* Massive shifts in transport infrastructure-away from internal combustion engines and toward electrification, including provision of electrified public transport options in every town and city

* A complete overhaul of urban planning at all levels to reduce the need for both commuting and long-distance shopping trips

* An epic effort to retrofit housing, especially across the northern tier of the nation, to dramatically reduce the need for indoor heating in winter months and to provide alternate heat sources

* A comprehensive redesign of the American food system, from farm to plate, to reduce fossil fuel inputs, soil erosion, and the need for irrigation.

Are we willing to do this?

http://www.postcarbon.org/blog-post/105111-talk...

by: BuckeyeDon

06-03-2010 @ 10:43pm

The Post Carbon Institute's Richard Heinberg just published some comments on President Obama's call yesterday for an end to dependence on fossil fuels. They said he's talking the talk, but asks whether we as Americans are willing to walk the walk. The necessary steps to end fossil fuel dependence are monumental; do we have the will to do them?

These are the things we must do:
* Enormous investment (many hundreds of billions of dollars cumulatively, spread out over a couple of decades) in solar, wind, and other alternative energy sources

* Massive shifts in transport infrastructure-away from internal combustion engines and toward electrification, including provision of electrified public transport options in every town and city

* A complete overhaul of urban planning at all levels to reduce the need for both commuting and long-distance shopping trips

* An epic effort to retrofit housing, especially across the northern tier of the nation, to dramatically reduce the need for indoor heating in winter months and to provide alternate heat sources

* A comprehensive redesign of the American food system, from farm to plate, to reduce fossil fuel inputs, soil erosion, and the need for irrigation.

Are we willing to do this?

http://www.postcarbon.org/blog-post/105111-talk...

by: Patricia

06-03-2010 @ 10:58pm

I was asking for objective, factual information, but even with the continued lack of such, and shift in attack in your response, I think I know everything I need to about the veracity of the evidence you're basing your accusations upon.

Thanks.

by: Patricia

06-03-2010 @ 10:58pm

I was asking for objective, factual information, but even with the continued lack of such, and shift in attack in your response, I think I know everything I need to about the veracity of the evidence you're basing your accusations upon.

Thanks.

by: Reverend Rhythms

06-03-2010 @ 11:01pm

>And at the root, because of an ethic of endless economic growth, fueled by carbon-based fossil fuels, that is ultimately unsustainable and unstable.<

I would submit it's not about *endless* growth, but *malignant* growth. There is no "ethic" to free market capitalism. Without citizen-based, publicly enforced regulations that reign in the greed that fuels the market, Creation is merely entropy to be used up and spit out. To classic western theology, "the Earth is just a dead thing you can claim" (Pocahontas).

by: Reverend Rhythms

06-03-2010 @ 11:01pm

>And at the root, because of an ethic of endless economic growth, fueled by carbon-based fossil fuels, that is ultimately unsustainable and unstable.<

I would submit it's not about *endless* growth, but *malignant* growth. There is no "ethic" to free market capitalism. Without citizen-based, publicly enforced regulations that reign in the greed that fuels the market, Creation is merely entropy to be used up and spit out. To classic western theology, "the Earth is just a dead thing you can claim" (Pocahontas).

by: Reverend Rhythms

06-03-2010 @ 11:01pm

>And at the root, because of an ethic of endless economic growth, fueled by carbon-based fossil fuels, that is ultimately unsustainable and unstable.<

I would submit it's not about *endless* growth, but *malignant* growth. There is no "ethic" to free market capitalism. Without citizen-based, publicly enforced regulations that reign in the greed that fuels the market, Creation is merely entropy to be used up and spit out. To classic western theology, "the Earth is just a dead thing you can claim" (Pocahontas).

by: WitnessforPeace

06-03-2010 @ 11:44pm

Note that I started my post with "Bravo to Jim" I'm sorry you think I'm attacking when I'm giving his column the critique this site invites.
The word "quick fix" isn't open to verification. It's an opinion, obviously, as is most of what's posted here. If Jim reads any of this, I hope he knows that he's disappointed a person who was known among my friends as a big fan back in the 1980's. Jim Wallis seems very different, and much more predictably partisan now. I'm sad, and feel entitled to comment and criticize based on many years of "fandom" and the fact that Jim posts columns and asks for comments.

by: WitnessforPeace

06-03-2010 @ 11:44pm

Note that I started my post with "Bravo to Jim" I'm sorry you think I'm attacking when I'm giving his column the critique this site invites.
The word "quick fix" isn't open to verification. It's an opinion, obviously, as is most of what's posted here. If Jim reads any of this, I hope he knows that he's disappointed a person who was known among my friends as a big fan back in the 1980's. Jim Wallis seems very different, and much more predictably partisan now. I'm sad, and feel entitled to comment and criticize based on many years of "fandom" and the fact that Jim posts columns and asks for comments.

by: WitnessforPeace

06-03-2010 @ 11:44pm

Note that I started my post with "Bravo to Jim" I'm sorry you think I'm attacking when I'm giving his column the critique this site invites.
The word "quick fix" isn't open to verification. It's an opinion, obviously, as is most of what's posted here. If Jim reads any of this, I hope he knows that he's disappointed a person who was known among my friends as a big fan back in the 1980's. Jim Wallis seems very different, and much more predictably partisan now. I'm sad, and feel entitled to comment and criticize based on many years of "fandom" and the fact that Jim posts columns and asks for comments.

by: duhsciple

06-04-2010 @ 12:39am

Send a clean-up team from every community so that they have first hand experience. Have them come home and tell the story of what they have seen, heard, and smelled. Involve folks in doing something. Reclaim our power. The action and the stories might inspire creativity and hope. Let's end the p***ing contests.

by: duhsciple

06-04-2010 @ 12:39am

Send a clean-up team from every community so that they have first hand experience. Have them come home and tell the story of what they have seen, heard, and smelled. Involve folks in doing something. Reclaim our power. The action and the stories might inspire creativity and hope. Let's end the p***ing contests.

by: duhsciple

06-04-2010 @ 12:39am

Send a clean-up team from every community so that they have first hand experience. Have them come home and tell the story of what they have seen, heard, and smelled. Involve folks in doing something. Reclaim our power. The action and the stories might inspire creativity and hope. Let's end the p***ing contests.

by: justintime

06-04-2010 @ 1:25am

Bring it on!

by: justintime

06-04-2010 @ 1:25am

Bring it on!

by: justintime

06-04-2010 @ 1:25am

Bring it on!