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It was a nice invitation, not unlike many I've received before. Every summer, a number of Christian music and arts festivals convene around the country, featuring musicians and speakers and attracting tens of thousands of young people. I have spoken at many such events over the years and, in fact, met my wife, Joy Carroll, at the Greenbelt festival in England! I'm guessing I've spoken there as many as 10 times. Joy is helping to organize an "American Greenbelt" for next summer called the "Wild Goose" Festival, an image that in Celtic spirituality signifies the Holy Spirit.

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So when Lifest, a Christian festival in Wisconsin invited me to come and speak this summer, and the date was free, I accepted. Bob Lenz, who directs the annual gathering, is a wonderful man with a big heart and a powerful ministry among high school kids that has saved many from suicide. He's the kind of guy you want to say yes to. It was put in the calendar.

Then a firestorm erupted. A local Christian radio station, which had always supported Lifest, and a local pastor started circulating attacks against me, suggesting that I was a communist, a deceiver, and, worst of all, an adviser to Barack Obama. My favorite was that I was an "avowed Marxist" and that any young person that heard me would be in "spiritual peril." They were especially concerned that "the social justice message and agenda [Sojourners] promote[s] is a seed of secular humanism, seeking an unholy alliance between the Church and Government." Does that sound anything like the language of a certain Fox News talk show host who has recently come after "social justice" Christians and me in particular? Oh no, they insisted, this had nothing to do with Glenn Beck.

The intimidation of Bob Lenz and Lifest began, insisting that I be canceled or they would face pull-outs and protests. A letter was sent to local churches to call for my cancellation and, like Glenn Beck, the authors just made stuff up. Under a great deal of pressure, Bob called me to discuss what to do. He believed that these people were spreading lies and didn't want to capitulate to their threats. But they were really stirring up trouble, and people were coming after him personally. I decided to call the president of the radio station myself, to ask him what his concerns were, and to offer a dialogue with his board or anybody else he wanted while I was in Wisconsin. But he refused the dialogue unless the station's demands for my cancellation were met (sounds like Glenn Beck again).

He said he was against the "unholy marriage between the government and the church." Me too, I said. When I told him how I successfully worked with the Obama administration to preserve religious freedom in hiring for faith-based organizations who receive any public funds (such as World Vision and The Salvation Army), and spent half of my time on health care in preserving the rule against federal funding of abortion, he became silent and kept moving on to "other issues"

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by: sgillesp

07-16-2010 @ 3:10am

OK, let's accept all that for the moment. But, can we not, as voters, choose ways to solve our problems together? If the majority of voters chooses to elect representatives who organize something like Medicare, don't we as a civilization have the right to do that? If a smaller number of voters feels they don't want to do that, but they lose at that election, what is their recourse? win at the polls, or lump it and deal with it, right? I don't understand the spiritualizing of opposing programs (or even small tweaks to programs) we've had for a long time, by somehow suggesting it is biblical and Christian to oppose taking "my" money and giving it to "them" (our fellow citizens, through programs we would have equal access to if we needed them). I don't remember hearing all this in the wake of the passing of the Medicare Prescription Part D program in the last administration, for example. If you ask me, I think it is spiritualizing what is really a spirit of selfishness. It's one thing to say you don't like the programs and plan to vote accordingly; it is something else to say that it is "Marxism" and "ruining our nation" and something about "force of arms." All this hysteria is being fanned into flames by people with another agenda, IMO.

by: plusultra12

07-16-2010 @ 6:41pm

"irony is wasted on the stupid"

by: oatmeal

07-15-2010 @ 7:49pm

Good point. But Jesus didn't work for the government. Absolutely, we as Christians should seek to meet the needs of those in our community. And our government does do a lot to help those in poverty. Maybe ineffectively,since we declared war on poverty in the 1960s. I think the real question is who can use our resources the wisest? Government has shown to be a sink hole. It has shown to be ineffective in most everything it does. BY giving tax breaks, or incentives to give to charity, it keeps costs low for everybody, and increases the amount of resources available to meet the needs of others on a more effective, local level.

by: liberalinlove

07-20-2010 @ 9:32pm

I'm an Evangelical Christian and have nothing except maybe Christ in common with Dr. Dobson. I will not judge his calling or his heart but I will say, I no longer believe Dobson speaks to me personally for Christ or Christianity in general.

While some may follow him, (I know I did without question for most of my life) I believe God is calling many of us to take our eyes off of man and look to Christ as the author and finisher of our faith.
If Wallis preaches a message, I don't feel like I'm a lesser person for agreeing or not agreeing with all of it or him in general. I feel I still get to hold the admonitions from Wallis up to the light of God's Word and choose for myself what I need to do.
If Dobson preaches a message I believe I've been delegated to the pits of hell if I disagree on any level with his take on society, politics, and the American family. In short I'm unwelcome to my politics, my thoughts and my salvation.
Therein for me, lies the difference.
Christians are beginning to be disgruntled with having their faith fed to them as regurgitated propaganda. We want flesh and blood, foot to the pavement, real life examples of walking out Jesus here on earth. We aren't going to always agree how that is done, but we should never be told we're failing if we don't fall into line with a Dobson like message.

by: wisewomenthink

07-16-2010 @ 3:05am

Mr. Wallis,
It seems that the very thing you criticize about the situation in Wisconsin is the very thing you promote regarding Glenn Beck. The hypocrisy is astounding.

by: plusultra12

07-16-2010 @ 6:41pm

"irony is wasted on the stupid"

by: Kyle Van Strien

07-15-2010 @ 7:41pm

curious that LeMay says on his bio on the station website that he'd most like to spend a day with former president bush to see how his personal faith influences him as the leader of the US (http://www.q90fm.com/staffbios.asp)

by: PASTOR JEFF

07-20-2010 @ 9:18pm

Toby: Thanks for responding. I wish you well on your journey to discover the richness of life in Christ. If I may, how was it revealed to you that the Bible is the Word of God? Ultimately faith is a choice that we make of whom to trust. God apparently trusts you enough to share this revelation with you so I think that you can trust your own sense as directed by the Scriptures. This is where some of the Calvinists and Arminians are going to part ways- the utter depravity of man and what was the extent of Adam's fall. The Arminians are going to put more stock in experience and the Calvinists are going to trust more to Systematic doctrines. Believe me, you and I are not going to reconcile these points here. My opinion is that we, as believers in the mercy and grace afforded in Jesus, should just resolve to love one another and follow the things which make for peace.
Peace, friend.

by: wisewomenthink

07-16-2010 @ 3:05am

Mr. Wallis,
It seems that the very thing you criticize about the situation in Wisconsin is the very thing you promote regarding Glenn Beck. The hypocrisy is astounding.

by: BlueDeacon

07-16-2010 @ 7:40pm

"Charity" isn't the issue.

The reason charities are seen as more efficient is because, in days past, you were literally helping your neighbors as well as other people you already knew; thus, there was a sort of community cohesion that simply doesn't exist today. On top of that, they relied on volunteer labor, often housewives that didn't have paid jobs outside the home, which is why they didn't cost as much.

by: squeaky

07-15-2010 @ 7:40pm

Just a random thought. It seems that it is fine if government helps big business and small business through tax breaks of various kinds. But it is not OK for that same government to help the impoverished.

Why is that? Is it because if you pour money into businesses it stimulates the economy? Does this not give the message that the only people of worth or value to a society are those who contribute to it in some way or another? The opposite of that is we should not waste resources on those who do not or will not give us a return on that investment.

And yet, Jesus hung out specifically with those who were a drain on society and its resources. What should that tell us?

What it tells me is the Kingdom is not about commodification of humans, that we all have worth in His eyes regardless of what we can give, and that government shouldn't only be about helping the haves--or at least those who complain about government helping the have nots should be consistent and decry its help towards the haves. But I rarely hear people yelling about that.

by: Ray Brown

07-16-2010 @ 9:48pm

Squeaky,
ever heard of the war on poverty? We have more poor today BECAUSE of the government, then when the first of the 5 trillion dollars were spent. Those are just the facts.

by: PASTOR JEFF

07-20-2010 @ 9:06pm

"Have you not noticed people ridicule religious beliefs here?"

Yes, almost always from the Bible-believers.

by: sgillesp

07-16-2010 @ 3:02am

Hyde amendment. Still law. That's why the executive order wasn't even needed, but was done in order to mollify the conservative base.

by: BlueDeacon

07-16-2010 @ 7:40pm

"Charity" isn't the issue.

The reason charities are seen as more efficient is because, in days past, you were literally helping your neighbors as well as other people you already knew; thus, there was a sort of community cohesion that simply doesn't exist today. On top of that, they relied on volunteer labor, often housewives that didn't have paid jobs outside the home, which is why they didn't cost as much.

by: oatmeal

07-15-2010 @ 7:38pm

One question on this article: Wallis writes: "...and spent half of my time on health care in preserving the rule against federal funding of abortion." Is this an appropriate defense considering abortion is now being funded? Is this an improper question to ask? We pride ourselves on being pro-life, but seemingly ignore abortion as a pro-life issue and make excuses for not following through with it.

by: Ray Brown

07-16-2010 @ 9:38pm

Who are YOU to tell me where to give my money, or to even TAKE my money against my will? I give OVER 10%, the level required by God, for the charities I choose. It is none of your business to take from me to give to some that I do not agree with. BTW, HOW MUCH DO YOU GIVE, not including taxes you pay.
Al Gore only gave $500 his first year in office vice president)to charities. A person you probably have bad mouthed, Dick Cheney, gave 78% or 6 million dollars in 2005, while Barak Obama gave very little. http://article.nationalreview.com/353100/barack...
I will not have liberals who just talk about the poor, downgrading those who actually DO help the poor.

by: sgillesp

07-16-2010 @ 3:02am

Hyde amendment. Still law. That's why the executive order wasn't even needed, but was done in order to mollify the conservative base.

by: oatmeal

07-16-2010 @ 7:35pm

Wow, you think the government is better at finding people in need than local agencies? Perhaps you have had bad experiences with charities. No one seems to be able to say how the government is so much better. If the government was so good at it, we would have less poor today than we do. I would not call our US reps and senators "experts" in doling out resources effectively. And I have never been with a charity that has rejected someone due to the reasons you provide. So I hope you try serving in different charities, if this is your experience.

by: liberalinlove

07-20-2010 @ 9:32pm

I'm an Evangelical Christian and have nothing except maybe Christ in common with Dr. Dobson. I will not judge his calling or his heart but I will say, I no longer believe Dobson speaks to me personally for Christ or Christianity in general.

While some may follow him, (I know I did without question for most of my life) I believe God is calling many of us to take our eyes off of man and look to Christ as the author and finisher of our faith.
If Wallis preaches a message, I don't feel like I'm a lesser person for agreeing or not agreeing with all of it or him in general. I feel I still get to hold the admonitions from Wallis up to the light of God's Word and choose for myself what I need to do.
If Dobson preaches a message I believe I've been delegated to the pits of hell if I disagree on any level with his take on society, politics, and the American family. In short I'm unwelcome to my politics, my thoughts and my salvation.
Therein for me, lies the difference.
Christians are beginning to be disgruntled with having their faith fed to them as regurgitated propaganda. We want flesh and blood, foot to the pavement, real life examples of walking out Jesus here on earth. We aren't going to always agree how that is done, but we should never be told we're failing if we don't fall into line with a Dobson like message.

by: jenvan7

07-15-2010 @ 7:35pm

If only Jim would also mention replacing the gospel according to Maher, Olbermann etc. But he seems to again focus only on the inciting of the right, not the left.

by: Ray Brown

07-16-2010 @ 9:24pm

Manni,What the very early church did MAY be called COMMONISM, not COMMUNISM. Commonism is where they all gave FROM THEIR OWN money, Communism is the government taking from those who are successful and giving to those who do not try to be successful.
What you conveniently leave out is IT DID NOT WORK. Later due to their poverty, Paul had to get donations from the MEGA Churches of the day to take back to Jerusalem.
I don't know what is so hard about telling the WHOLE story with you guys?

by: sgillesp

07-16-2010 @ 2:59am

but why, because they disagree with him, do they get to demand that he be pulled from the festival? Disagree all you want; use your airwaves to explain why you disagree if you must - but there is something wrong with demanding that the festival pull him.

by: oatmeal

07-16-2010 @ 7:35pm

Wow, you think the government is better at finding people in need than local agencies? Perhaps you have had bad experiences with charities. No one seems to be able to say how the government is so much better. If the government was so good at it, we would have less poor today than we do. I would not call our US reps and senators "experts" in doling out resources effectively. And I have never been with a charity that has rejected someone due to the reasons you provide. So I hope you try serving in different charities, if this is your experience.

by: liberalinlove

07-20-2010 @ 9:32pm

I'm an Evangelical Christian and have nothing except maybe Christ in common with Dr. Dobson. I will not judge his calling or his heart but I will say, I no longer believe Dobson speaks to me personally for Christ or Christianity in general.

While some may follow him, (I know I did without question for most of my life) I believe God is calling many of us to take our eyes off of man and look to Christ as the author and finisher of our faith.
If Wallis preaches a message, I don't feel like I'm a lesser person for agreeing or not agreeing with all of it or him in general. I feel I still get to hold the admonitions from Wallis up to the light of God's Word and choose for myself what I need to do.
If Dobson preaches a message I believe I've been delegated to the pits of hell if I disagree on any level with his take on society, politics, and the American family. In short I'm unwelcome to my politics, my thoughts and my salvation.
Therein for me, lies the difference.
Christians are beginning to be disgruntled with having their faith fed to them as regurgitated propaganda. We want flesh and blood, foot to the pavement, real life examples of walking out Jesus here on earth. We aren't going to always agree how that is done, but we should never be told we're failing if we don't fall into line with a Dobson like message.

by: squeaky

07-15-2010 @ 7:31pm

If the poor get help from the government, and it helps them rise out of poverty, that is bad why?

by: Patricia

07-16-2010 @ 10:06pm

No, those aren't just the facts - that is the right-wing spin. There's a big difference.

by: sgillesp

07-16-2010 @ 2:59am

but why, because they disagree with him, do they get to demand that he be pulled from the festival? Disagree all you want; use your airwaves to explain why you disagree if you must - but there is something wrong with demanding that the festival pull him.

by: raj2012

07-16-2010 @ 7:31pm

Reply feature not working for me sorry:

Pastor Jeff: Thanks for clarifing, a forum such as this should present views without promoting an adgenda in order to get feed back. I am always disappointed fear of having your view challenged becomes a spitting match with anyone who disagrees. No one will hold the same view point as someone else, we agree, we question, we disagree but we do it with respect. I'm afraid some people never dlearn that

by: PASTOR JEFF

07-20-2010 @ 9:18pm

Toby: Thanks for responding. I wish you well on your journey to discover the richness of life in Christ. If I may, how was it revealed to you that the Bible is the Word of God? Ultimately faith is a choice that we make of whom to trust. God apparently trusts you enough to share this revelation with you so I think that you can trust your own sense as directed by the Scriptures. This is where some of the Calvinists and Arminians are going to part ways- the utter depravity of man and what was the extent of Adam's fall. The Arminians are going to put more stock in experience and the Calvinists are going to trust more to Systematic doctrines. Believe me, you and I are not going to reconcile these points here. My opinion is that we, as believers in the mercy and grace afforded in Jesus, should just resolve to love one another and follow the things which make for peace.
Peace, friend.

by: KathyB

07-15-2010 @ 7:31pm

I live in St. Paul, MN, but I'm from Milwaukee, lived in Green Bay for 25 years and have grandchildren in Appleton. I was excited to learn that Jim Wallis was coning to my home state. I am embarrassed that my fellow Wisconsinites acted so badly. Rev. Wallis, you are welcome to my state,and I truly do hope that the Glenn Becks of this world will come to see the error of their ways. Social Justice is Jesus' call to serve others as he asked us to do in the Beatitudes. Shouldn't this be enough of a call?

by: BeeZee4

07-16-2010 @ 10:04pm

You made a good decision, Jim, to walk into what must have seemed like a hornet's nest in order to speak the Gospel as you understand it. I am glad you had the courage. You certainly have a message worth hearing, especially for young people. Thank you.

by: Patricia

07-16-2010 @ 2:58am

Most people do not consider the Medicare program (minus Medicaid and CHIP) or Social security as welfare programs. That's why I clarified. Most people consider those entitlement programs, because people pay into them, and then receive benefits later (although they use up their individual contributions in less than 5 years).

If you separate out SS and Medicare (minus Medicaid and CHIP), the percentage is much smaller.

by: raj2012

07-16-2010 @ 7:31pm

Reply feature not working for me sorry:

Pastor Jeff: Thanks for clarifing, a forum such as this should present views without promoting an adgenda in order to get feed back. I am always disappointed fear of having your view challenged becomes a spitting match with anyone who disagrees. No one will hold the same view point as someone else, we agree, we question, we disagree but we do it with respect. I'm afraid some people never dlearn that

by: PASTOR JEFF

07-20-2010 @ 9:18pm

Toby: Thanks for responding. I wish you well on your journey to discover the richness of life in Christ. If I may, how was it revealed to you that the Bible is the Word of God? Ultimately faith is a choice that we make of whom to trust. God apparently trusts you enough to share this revelation with you so I think that you can trust your own sense as directed by the Scriptures. This is where some of the Calvinists and Arminians are going to part ways- the utter depravity of man and what was the extent of Adam's fall. The Arminians are going to put more stock in experience and the Calvinists are going to trust more to Systematic doctrines. Believe me, you and I are not going to reconcile these points here. My opinion is that we, as believers in the mercy and grace afforded in Jesus, should just resolve to love one another and follow the things which make for peace.
Peace, friend.

by: melray

07-15-2010 @ 7:29pm

Where does it say in the Bible that the government is to take care of the the poor? In fact, where does it say in the Bible that faith-based organizations are to get money from the government? Where does it even say that in the Constitution? I have come to oppose any form of Marxist Christianity that Sojourners and Jim Wallis softly espouses. Marx opposes Christiantiy and Obama, Wallis and social justice advocates are doing just that. I remember hearing about the social gospel in a college known as evangelical. I repudiate that as well as any form of collective salvation.

by: Patricia

07-16-2010 @ 2:58am

Most people do not consider the Medicare program (minus Medicaid and CHIP) or Social security as welfare programs. That's why I clarified. Most people consider those entitlement programs, because people pay into them, and then receive benefits later (although they use up their individual contributions in less than 5 years).

If you separate out SS and Medicare (minus Medicaid and CHIP), the percentage is much smaller.

by: PASTOR JEFF

07-20-2010 @ 9:06pm

"Have you not noticed people ridicule religious beliefs here?"

Yes, almost always from the Bible-believers.

by: squeaky

07-15-2010 @ 7:29pm

I'm guessing it is just to cover all the bases, in case there are those who brought their unsaved friends with them. That said, part of the kingdom message includes helping the least of these. So in that sense, Wallis was preaching Gospel.

by: sgillesp

07-16-2010 @ 2:56am

Oatmeal, I understand your concern, but there is a federal law against the federal funding of abortion, the feds have reiterated their intention to obey the existing federal law (of course), and the Washington Times is not, sadly, a reliable news source (as it is owned by the Moonies and has been the source of several completely untrue stories that became big political rumors).

by: PASTOR JEFF

07-20-2010 @ 9:06pm

"Have you not noticed people ridicule religious beliefs here?"

Yes, almost always from the Bible-believers.

by: raj2012

07-15-2010 @ 7:53pm

Jim thank you for writing about the controversy in Wisconsin. It is always sad and scary when those who disagree become belligerent and agressive, but we could learn much from the way you handled the situation.

I realize that much of the controversy comes from those who fear losing something important to them, but I'm not sure just what that is. So many people seem to forget that God and Christ's primary message was to care for those less fortunate than we are and that Jesus was all about social justice. Old and New Testament scripture calls us to care for the widow, orphan, sick, homeless and the stranger among us. Yet the gospel being taught by Beck and Limbaugh is "I have mine and I'm not sharing with anyone" seems to be gaining ground. Therefore it is refreshing to hear of the acceptance of your presentation and message dispite the efforts of a few.

by: Kevin Wayne

07-16-2010 @ 11:17pm

Another Like in error, today must be a day for it.

http://www.orthocuban.com/2009/08/on-taxes-and-...

by: sgillesp

07-16-2010 @ 2:56am

Oatmeal, I understand your concern, but there is a federal law against the federal funding of abortion, the feds have reiterated their intention to obey the existing federal law (of course), and the Washington Times is not, sadly, a reliable news source (as it is owned by the Moonies and has been the source of several completely untrue stories that became big political rumors).

by: PASTOR JEFF

07-16-2010 @ 8:18pm

Yes they will. The itching ears are being led astray by "teachers" (idolators) like Beck, Rush, Hannity and the rest of Fox. It's part of the end times falling away where the truth is commoditized and the fruit is strife and bitterness.

by: billhabedank

07-15-2010 @ 7:57pm

Jim,
These so called Christians who chastise social ministry and justice remind me of the Pharisees. They both profess to serve Jesus (God) yet they actually do partner with rightwing/tea party politics (or Caesar) and thus cannot claim seperation of church and state as they claim.

by: Kevin Wayne

07-16-2010 @ 11:16pm

That Like was in error, have one on me.

And read this:

http://www.orthocuban.com/2009/08/on-taxes-and-...

by: kansasmennonite

07-16-2010 @ 2:54am

Perhaps your own insurance plan you pay into covers abortions too? Is this Pennsylvania's decision or a federal mandate? Are they being funded now-I mean right this minute or are you "stretching" the truth?

edited:Try this link for more of the "real" story. Not some drummed up scheme by the religious right to keep the fear and money coming in.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2010/07...

by: PASTOR JEFF

07-16-2010 @ 8:18pm

Yes they will. The itching ears are being led astray by "teachers" (idolators) like Beck, Rush, Hannity and the rest of Fox. It's part of the end times falling away where the truth is commoditized and the fruit is strife and bitterness.

by: Kory Heal

07-15-2010 @ 8:00pm

this makes me sad...

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by: NC77

07-15-2010 @ 6:22pm

"What unites us is the gospel of Jesus and his kingdom, and their job as a new generation was to make that clear. When I quoted Jesus' opening sermon at Nazareth and concluded that "any gospel that isn't good news to the poor is not the gospel of Jesus Christ," they all cheered."

Good news to the poor in what way? Will they soon be getting money from the government as it redistributes wealth under the Obama administration? What is the good news for the poor that Jesus was talking about? More free money? Or was it salvation from sin and death, and by grace receiving eternal life and an inheritance in God's kingdom?

Too bad you missed the opportunity to tell those young people about the need for salvation and how Jesus died for the forgiveness of their sins. And how He rose from the dead for their justification before God.

As far as unity goes for Christians, it only happens as the body of Christ (the church) functions in the way it is intended by God to function. The gospel doesn't unite us, the gospel leads us to adoption as children of God, heirs to his kingdom, and actual members of his living body on earth. That is what unites all those who believe and are found to be of God at the second coming of Jesus.

Today, there is a clear divide between the body of Christ and a movement that poses as Christian yet because of some very basic false beliefs is not Christian. That divide will continue to widen in these last days before the return of Christ and it will become more clear everyday which side is of God and which side is secular humanisn dressed in sheeps clothing and posing as Christian.

There is still time to repent and turn to Jesus so you may be saved.

Read Ephesians 4. There is one faith, and one hope, one Spirit, one callng.

by: NC77

07-15-2010 @ 6:22pm

"What unites us is the gospel of Jesus and his kingdom, and their job as a new generation was to make that clear. When I quoted Jesus' opening sermon at Nazareth and concluded that "any gospel that isn't good news to the poor is not the gospel of Jesus Christ," they all cheered."

Good news to the poor in what way? Will they soon be getting money from the government as it redistributes wealth under the Obama administration? What is the good news for the poor that Jesus was talking about? More free money? Or was it salvation from sin and death, and by grace receiving eternal life and an inheritance in God's kingdom?

Too bad you missed the opportunity to tell those young people about the need for salvation and how Jesus died for the forgiveness of their sins. And how He rose from the dead for their justification before God.

As far as unity goes for Christians, it only happens as the body of Christ (the church) functions in the way it is intended by God to function. The gospel doesn't unite us, the gospel leads us to adoption as children of God, heirs to his kingdom, and actual members of his living body on earth. That is what unites all those who believe and are found to be of God at the second coming of Jesus.

Today, there is a clear divide between the body of Christ and a movement that poses as Christian yet because of some very basic false beliefs is not Christian. That divide will continue to widen in these last days before the return of Christ and it will become more clear everyday which side is of God and which side is secular humanisn dressed in sheeps clothing and posing as Christian.

There is still time to repent and turn to Jesus so you may be saved.

Read Ephesians 4. There is one faith, and one hope, one Spirit, one callng.

by: squeaky

07-15-2010 @ 6:39pm

You sure assume a lot about Wallis' faith. It astounds me how anyone who would take Jesus at His word about caring for the poor is labeled as not truly Christian. Sad, sad, sad.

by: squeaky

07-15-2010 @ 6:39pm

You sure assume a lot about Wallis' faith. It astounds me how anyone who would take Jesus at His word about caring for the poor is labeled as not truly Christian. Sad, sad, sad.

by: paradoxtor

07-15-2010 @ 6:43pm

While I cannot speak to every statement made privately or publicly in Wisconsin, the radio station's offcial statement shows a very different attitude than what is portrayed in this article. For the other side go to http://www.q90fm.com/lifest2010.asp.

Excerpt: We are not calling for a boycott of Lifest. We do not view Jim Wallis as an enemy nor do we think of Life Promotions as the enemy or a bad organization. We believe Life Promotions is doing great things for the Kingdom of God . We just have a fundamental disagreement on the wisdom of bringing Mr. Wallis to Lifest

by: paradoxtor

07-15-2010 @ 6:43pm

While I cannot speak to every statement made privately or publicly in Wisconsin, the radio station's offcial statement shows a very different attitude than what is portrayed in this article. For the other side go to http://www.q90fm.com/lifest2010.asp.

Excerpt: We are not calling for a boycott of Lifest. We do not view Jim Wallis as an enemy nor do we think of Life Promotions as the enemy or a bad organization. We believe Life Promotions is doing great things for the Kingdom of God . We just have a fundamental disagreement on the wisdom of bringing Mr. Wallis to Lifest

by: Patricia

07-15-2010 @ 7:12pm

I don't believe Wallis ever said that there were calls for a boycott - he said there were lies and distortions being spread about him, there were calls for him to be canceled, and calls for him to pull out. The link you have provided clearly contains many of those lies and distortions, clearly calls for his appearance to be canceled, clearly calls for him to cancel - just as he said.

Sounds the same to me - what is the "different attitude" and "other side" you were speaking of?

by: Patricia

07-15-2010 @ 7:12pm

I don't believe Wallis ever said that there were calls for a boycott - he said there were lies and distortions being spread about him, there were calls for him to be canceled, and calls for him to pull out. The link you have provided clearly contains many of those lies and distortions, clearly calls for his appearance to be canceled, clearly calls for him to cancel - just as he said.

Sounds the same to me - what is the "different attitude" and "other side" you were speaking of?

by: Patricia

07-15-2010 @ 7:12pm

I don't believe Wallis ever said that there were calls for a boycott - he said there were lies and distortions being spread about him, there were calls for him to be canceled, and calls for him to pull out. The link you have provided clearly contains many of those lies and distortions, clearly calls for his appearance to be canceled, clearly calls for him to cancel - just as he said.

Sounds the same to me - what is the "different attitude" and "other side" you were speaking of?

by: oatmeal

07-15-2010 @ 7:16pm

Ha! Some agreement on no funding for abortions. Seems like the president has already gone back on that. But I bet you won't write an article blasting Obama over that.

by: oatmeal

07-15-2010 @ 7:16pm

Ha! Some agreement on no funding for abortions. Seems like the president has already gone back on that. But I bet you won't write an article blasting Obama over that.

by: oatmeal

07-15-2010 @ 7:16pm

Ha! Some agreement on no funding for abortions. Seems like the president has already gone back on that. But I bet you won't write an article blasting Obama over that.

by: dperiodfreshcomma

07-15-2010 @ 7:19pm

The amount and levels of sarcasm among Christians on these comment boards is always disgusting. Please, rise above it, brothers and sisters.

by: dperiodfreshcomma

07-15-2010 @ 7:19pm

The amount and levels of sarcasm among Christians on these comment boards is always disgusting. Please, rise above it, brothers and sisters.

by: dperiodfreshcomma

07-15-2010 @ 7:19pm

The amount and levels of sarcasm among Christians on these comment boards is always disgusting. Please, rise above it, brothers and sisters.

by: Michelle Parsneau

07-15-2010 @ 7:23pm

Why is it that so many people want the "Message of Salvation" to be preached at Christian events? These are CHRISTIANS at these events. Are they not saved enough? Don't they know how to be saved or how to read the Bible?

It seems redundant, pointless and condescending to tell someone how to achieve something that they already have.

Talking about how to put in practice the actual teachings of Jesus, and incorporate them into our daily lives is something that is strongly needed.

by: Michelle Parsneau

07-15-2010 @ 7:23pm

Why is it that so many people want the "Message of Salvation" to be preached at Christian events? These are CHRISTIANS at these events. Are they not saved enough? Don't they know how to be saved or how to read the Bible?

It seems redundant, pointless and condescending to tell someone how to achieve something that they already have.

Talking about how to put in practice the actual teachings of Jesus, and incorporate them into our daily lives is something that is strongly needed.

by: Michelle Parsneau

07-15-2010 @ 7:23pm

Why is it that so many people want the "Message of Salvation" to be preached at Christian events? These are CHRISTIANS at these events. Are they not saved enough? Don't they know how to be saved or how to read the Bible?

It seems redundant, pointless and condescending to tell someone how to achieve something that they already have.

Talking about how to put in practice the actual teachings of Jesus, and incorporate them into our daily lives is something that is strongly needed.

by: halm1736

07-15-2010 @ 7:27pm

I was in Columbus, Ohio at a conference where Jim Wallis and some of his associates not only spoke about social justice, but personally led some spiritual seekers to a personal faith in Christ. No one who really knows Jim can deny that he believes in the need for personal salvation and forgiveness of sins. As in Wisconsin, some sincere but opinionated people opposed Jim's coming to Columbus because they don't like his economic and political perspectives. Frankly, I don't agree with all of his opinions, either, but Jim's voice is a needed commodity in the Body of Christ. Hal Merz, Columbus Ohio

by: halm1736

07-15-2010 @ 7:27pm

I was in Columbus, Ohio at a conference where Jim Wallis and some of his associates not only spoke about social justice, but personally led some spiritual seekers to a personal faith in Christ. No one who really knows Jim can deny that he believes in the need for personal salvation and forgiveness of sins. As in Wisconsin, some sincere but opinionated people opposed Jim's coming to Columbus because they don't like his economic and political perspectives. Frankly, I don't agree with all of his opinions, either, but Jim's voice is a needed commodity in the Body of Christ. Hal Merz, Columbus Ohio

by: halm1736

07-15-2010 @ 7:27pm

I was in Columbus, Ohio at a conference where Jim Wallis and some of his associates not only spoke about social justice, but personally led some spiritual seekers to a personal faith in Christ. No one who really knows Jim can deny that he believes in the need for personal salvation and forgiveness of sins. As in Wisconsin, some sincere but opinionated people opposed Jim's coming to Columbus because they don't like his economic and political perspectives. Frankly, I don't agree with all of his opinions, either, but Jim's voice is a needed commodity in the Body of Christ. Hal Merz, Columbus Ohio

by: squeaky

07-15-2010 @ 7:29pm

I'm guessing it is just to cover all the bases, in case there are those who brought their unsaved friends with them. That said, part of the kingdom message includes helping the least of these. So in that sense, Wallis was preaching Gospel.

by: squeaky

07-15-2010 @ 7:29pm

I'm guessing it is just to cover all the bases, in case there are those who brought their unsaved friends with them. That said, part of the kingdom message includes helping the least of these. So in that sense, Wallis was preaching Gospel.

by: squeaky

07-15-2010 @ 7:29pm

I'm guessing it is just to cover all the bases, in case there are those who brought their unsaved friends with them. That said, part of the kingdom message includes helping the least of these. So in that sense, Wallis was preaching Gospel.

by: melray

07-15-2010 @ 7:29pm

Where does it say in the Bible that the government is to take care of the the poor? In fact, where does it say in the Bible that faith-based organizations are to get money from the government? Where does it even say that in the Constitution? I have come to oppose any form of Marxist Christianity that Sojourners and Jim Wallis softly espouses. Marx opposes Christiantiy and Obama, Wallis and social justice advocates are doing just that. I remember hearing about the social gospel in a college known as evangelical. I repudiate that as well as any form of collective salvation.

by: melray

07-15-2010 @ 7:29pm

Where does it say in the Bible that the government is to take care of the the poor? In fact, where does it say in the Bible that faith-based organizations are to get money from the government? Where does it even say that in the Constitution? I have come to oppose any form of Marxist Christianity that Sojourners and Jim Wallis softly espouses. Marx opposes Christiantiy and Obama, Wallis and social justice advocates are doing just that. I remember hearing about the social gospel in a college known as evangelical. I repudiate that as well as any form of collective salvation.

by: melray

07-15-2010 @ 7:29pm

Where does it say in the Bible that the government is to take care of the the poor? In fact, where does it say in the Bible that faith-based organizations are to get money from the government? Where does it even say that in the Constitution? I have come to oppose any form of Marxist Christianity that Sojourners and Jim Wallis softly espouses. Marx opposes Christiantiy and Obama, Wallis and social justice advocates are doing just that. I remember hearing about the social gospel in a college known as evangelical. I repudiate that as well as any form of collective salvation.

by: KathyB

07-15-2010 @ 7:31pm

I live in St. Paul, MN, but I'm from Milwaukee, lived in Green Bay for 25 years and have grandchildren in Appleton. I was excited to learn that Jim Wallis was coning to my home state. I am embarrassed that my fellow Wisconsinites acted so badly. Rev. Wallis, you are welcome to my state,and I truly do hope that the Glenn Becks of this world will come to see the error of their ways. Social Justice is Jesus' call to serve others as he asked us to do in the Beatitudes. Shouldn't this be enough of a call?

by: KathyB

07-15-2010 @ 7:31pm

I live in St. Paul, MN, but I'm from Milwaukee, lived in Green Bay for 25 years and have grandchildren in Appleton. I was excited to learn that Jim Wallis was coning to my home state. I am embarrassed that my fellow Wisconsinites acted so badly. Rev. Wallis, you are welcome to my state,and I truly do hope that the Glenn Becks of this world will come to see the error of their ways. Social Justice is Jesus' call to serve others as he asked us to do in the Beatitudes. Shouldn't this be enough of a call?

by: KathyB

07-15-2010 @ 7:31pm

I live in St. Paul, MN, but I'm from Milwaukee, lived in Green Bay for 25 years and have grandchildren in Appleton. I was excited to learn that Jim Wallis was coning to my home state. I am embarrassed that my fellow Wisconsinites acted so badly. Rev. Wallis, you are welcome to my state,and I truly do hope that the Glenn Becks of this world will come to see the error of their ways. Social Justice is Jesus' call to serve others as he asked us to do in the Beatitudes. Shouldn't this be enough of a call?

by: squeaky

07-15-2010 @ 7:31pm

If the poor get help from the government, and it helps them rise out of poverty, that is bad why?

by: squeaky

07-15-2010 @ 7:31pm

If the poor get help from the government, and it helps them rise out of poverty, that is bad why?

by: squeaky

07-15-2010 @ 7:31pm

If the poor get help from the government, and it helps them rise out of poverty, that is bad why?

by: jenvan7

07-15-2010 @ 7:35pm

If only Jim would also mention replacing the gospel according to Maher, Olbermann etc. But he seems to again focus only on the inciting of the right, not the left.

by: jenvan7

07-15-2010 @ 7:35pm

If only Jim would also mention replacing the gospel according to Maher, Olbermann etc. But he seems to again focus only on the inciting of the right, not the left.

by: jenvan7

07-15-2010 @ 7:35pm

If only Jim would also mention replacing the gospel according to Maher, Olbermann etc. But he seems to again focus only on the inciting of the right, not the left.

by: oatmeal

07-15-2010 @ 7:38pm

One question on this article: Wallis writes: "...and spent half of my time on health care in preserving the rule against federal funding of abortion." Is this an appropriate defense considering abortion is now being funded? Is this an improper question to ask? We pride ourselves on being pro-life, but seemingly ignore abortion as a pro-life issue and make excuses for not following through with it.

by: oatmeal

07-15-2010 @ 7:38pm

One question on this article: Wallis writes: "...and spent half of my time on health care in preserving the rule against federal funding of abortion." Is this an appropriate defense considering abortion is now being funded? Is this an improper question to ask? We pride ourselves on being pro-life, but seemingly ignore abortion as a pro-life issue and make excuses for not following through with it.

by: oatmeal

07-15-2010 @ 7:38pm

One question on this article: Wallis writes: "...and spent half of my time on health care in preserving the rule against federal funding of abortion." Is this an appropriate defense considering abortion is now being funded? Is this an improper question to ask? We pride ourselves on being pro-life, but seemingly ignore abortion as a pro-life issue and make excuses for not following through with it.

by: squeaky

07-15-2010 @ 7:40pm

Just a random thought. It seems that it is fine if government helps big business and small business through tax breaks of various kinds. But it is not OK for that same government to help the impoverished.

Why is that? Is it because if you pour money into businesses it stimulates the economy? Does this not give the message that the only people of worth or value to a society are those who contribute to it in some way or another? The opposite of that is we should not waste resources on those who do not or will not give us a return on that investment.

And yet, Jesus hung out specifically with those who were a drain on society and its resources. What should that tell us?

What it tells me is the Kingdom is not about commodification of humans, that we all have worth in His eyes regardless of what we can give, and that government shouldn't only be about helping the haves--or at least those who complain about government helping the have nots should be consistent and decry its help towards the haves. But I rarely hear people yelling about that.

by: squeaky

07-15-2010 @ 7:40pm

Just a random thought. It seems that it is fine if government helps big business and small business through tax breaks of various kinds. But it is not OK for that same government to help the impoverished.

Why is that? Is it because if you pour money into businesses it stimulates the economy? Does this not give the message that the only people of worth or value to a society are those who contribute to it in some way or another? The opposite of that is we should not waste resources on those who do not or will not give us a return on that investment.

And yet, Jesus hung out specifically with those who were a drain on society and its resources. What should that tell us?

What it tells me is the Kingdom is not about commodification of humans, that we all have worth in His eyes regardless of what we can give, and that government shouldn't only be about helping the haves--or at least those who complain about government helping the have nots should be consistent and decry its help towards the haves. But I rarely hear people yelling about that.

by: squeaky

07-15-2010 @ 7:40pm

Just a random thought. It seems that it is fine if government helps big business and small business through tax breaks of various kinds. But it is not OK for that same government to help the impoverished.

Why is that? Is it because if you pour money into businesses it stimulates the economy? Does this not give the message that the only people of worth or value to a society are those who contribute to it in some way or another? The opposite of that is we should not waste resources on those who do not or will not give us a return on that investment.

And yet, Jesus hung out specifically with those who were a drain on society and its resources. What should that tell us?

What it tells me is the Kingdom is not about commodification of humans, that we all have worth in His eyes regardless of what we can give, and that government shouldn't only be about helping the haves--or at least those who complain about government helping the have nots should be consistent and decry its help towards the haves. But I rarely hear people yelling about that.

by: Kyle Van Strien

07-15-2010 @ 7:41pm

curious that LeMay says on his bio on the station website that he'd most like to spend a day with former president bush to see how his personal faith influences him as the leader of the US (http://www.q90fm.com/staffbios.asp)

by: Kyle Van Strien

07-15-2010 @ 7:41pm

curious that LeMay says on his bio on the station website that he'd most like to spend a day with former president bush to see how his personal faith influences him as the leader of the US (http://www.q90fm.com/staffbios.asp)

by: Kyle Van Strien

07-15-2010 @ 7:41pm

curious that LeMay says on his bio on the station website that he'd most like to spend a day with former president bush to see how his personal faith influences him as the leader of the US (http://www.q90fm.com/staffbios.asp)

by: oatmeal

07-15-2010 @ 7:49pm

Good point. But Jesus didn't work for the government. Absolutely, we as Christians should seek to meet the needs of those in our community. And our government does do a lot to help those in poverty. Maybe ineffectively,since we declared war on poverty in the 1960s. I think the real question is who can use our resources the wisest? Government has shown to be a sink hole. It has shown to be ineffective in most everything it does. BY giving tax breaks, or incentives to give to charity, it keeps costs low for everybody, and increases the amount of resources available to meet the needs of others on a more effective, local level.

by: oatmeal

07-15-2010 @ 7:49pm

Good point. But Jesus didn't work for the government. Absolutely, we as Christians should seek to meet the needs of those in our community. And our government does do a lot to help those in poverty. Maybe ineffectively,since we declared war on poverty in the 1960s. I think the real question is who can use our resources the wisest? Government has shown to be a sink hole. It has shown to be ineffective in most everything it does. BY giving tax breaks, or incentives to give to charity, it keeps costs low for everybody, and increases the amount of resources available to meet the needs of others on a more effective, local level.

by: oatmeal

07-15-2010 @ 7:49pm

Good point. But Jesus didn't work for the government. Absolutely, we as Christians should seek to meet the needs of those in our community. And our government does do a lot to help those in poverty. Maybe ineffectively,since we declared war on poverty in the 1960s. I think the real question is who can use our resources the wisest? Government has shown to be a sink hole. It has shown to be ineffective in most everything it does. BY giving tax breaks, or incentives to give to charity, it keeps costs low for everybody, and increases the amount of resources available to meet the needs of others on a more effective, local level.

by: Tom Eggebeen

07-15-2010 @ 7:52pm

A few good women and men who refuse to be intimidated ... their bluff called, the facts ignored - they will only entrench further and deeper into their own skewed world ... angry at their loss of influence, angry as young evangelicals begin to think and read Scripture with an eye on the whole message of God. Good for you, Mr. Wallis, and good for your friend in Wisconsin, my native state.

by: Tom Eggebeen

07-15-2010 @ 7:52pm

A few good women and men who refuse to be intimidated ... their bluff called, the facts ignored - they will only entrench further and deeper into their own skewed world ... angry at their loss of influence, angry as young evangelicals begin to think and read Scripture with an eye on the whole message of God. Good for you, Mr. Wallis, and good for your friend in Wisconsin, my native state.