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Glenn Beck and the Foolishness of the Cross

Should Christians reject the cross of Jesus Christ? Listen to Glenn Beck and it would be reasonable to think that the answer is yes. In his latest tirade against Christians who devote their lives to justice, Mr. Beck distorted the symbol that stands at the very heart of Christianity by arguing that it is a perversion for victims of oppression to look for liberation from the crucified Christ. This alone is enough to merit a rebuttal -- and people such as Jim Wallis have already done an excellent job in responding to Beck's attacks on the gospel. But given Glenn Beck's affinity for invoking the Nazis (watch this clip for a comedic take on that particular tendency), his most recent words take on a layer of irony and deserve a specific critique.

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Not only are the sufferings of Christ and the message of liberation central to the gospel, but they are at the heart of the theology of Dietrich Bonhoeffer, a Christian theologian who was executed for his opposition to Hitler's regime. If Beck is going to question the validity of Christians who stand alongside the oppressed in witness to the crucified Christ, then he must answer to the life and death of Bonhoeffer.

While it is not possible to go in to all of Glenn Beck's convoluted thoughts here, the crux of his arguments rely on reducing Christianity to its individual spiritual components while dismissing any communal or social implications as communist influences. This false dichotomy between the individual and social is exactly what Bonhoeffer reacted against.

Mr. Beck takes exception to the idea that Christianity addresses external social forces of oppression and not just the internal oppression of the soul by sin. He fails to appreciate how the two are indelibly connected. We cannot examine sin in our own lives without seeing the sinful institutions that are built upon it. From his prison cell, Bonhoeffer wrote that Christianity teaches us to "see the great events of world history from below, from the perspective of the outcast, the suspects, the maltreated, the powerless, the oppressed, the reviled -- in short, from the perspective of those who suffer." Trying desperately to understand how so many Christians could remain silent in the face of Nazism, Bonhoeffer came to the conclusion that they had forgotten that Christ came to stand alongside the poor, the vulnerable, the oppressed, and the powerless.

Bonhoeffer took very literally the idea that Christians are called to be the body of Christ in the world and to imitate the life of Christ. And when he looked to the gospels, the example he saw Jesus give was of a servant who challenged the oppressive social forces around him. It was this understanding that lead Bonhoeffer to state, "The church is the church only when it exists for others." Jesus frees us from sin in order that we may have a transformative impact on our social structures here and now, so that we may aid in ushering in the kingdom of God on earth as it is in heaven. For freedom we are set free. And so, to Bonhoeffer, Christians of good conscience could not remain silent under Hitler's rule, because the calling of God on their lives was one that compelled them to speak on behalf of the oppressed, to share in the life of Jesus, even to the point of sharing in his suffering and dying. This last point is one with which Glenn Beck seems particularly uncomfortable.

Responding to the idea that the oppressed can look to Christ for liberation because he too was a victim, Beck said, "Jesus wasn't a victim, he was a conqueror." But it was Bonhoeffer who wrote, "Christ helps us, not by virtue of his omnipotence, but by virtue of his weakness and suffering ... only the suffering God can help." Beck suggests that speaking of Christ's suffering -- and using it to uplift the suffering in our world -- somehow negates the empty tomb. But the cross has been called foolishness and a stumbling block before, and it does not alter the fact that "God chose what is weak in the world to shame the strong." (1 Corinthians 1:27). Glenn Beck believes that if Jesus were a victim, he would have made "the Jews pay for what they did," because all who are oppressed only seek retribution. He fails to understand that the cross teaches that liberation from oppression is not about wresting power from one group in order to give it to another, but liberating all people from the sin that comes when anyone seeks to dominate another.

That is why Christ came as a suffering servant, and not a conquering king. When Bonhoeffer wrote, "only the suffering God can help," what he meant was that the cross of the crucified Christ serves as a critique of every system of domination. And as we stand in its shadow, we are convicted to see the places in our own world where the forces of subjugation are at work. As Christians, we are not ashamed of the cross because it points us to the places in our world where we can stand alongside Christ in the form of our oppressed brothers and sisters and aid in God's redemptive work. We do this because we know the empty tomb awaits. That is what it means to take up our cross and follow him, and that is what Bonhoeffer did.

Glenn Beck is fond of lifting up the Nazis as the preeminent exemplar of evil in our time, and he is right. But when Christians were called to stand in opposition to Hitler's regime, it was not the principles of the free market to which they appealed, or an individualistic faith divorced from communal bonds. The Christian martyrs, like Dietrich Bonhoeffer, who gave their lives in defiance of the Nazis looked to the cruciform Christ who came to proclaim release to the captives and let the oppressed go free.

Rachel Johnson holds an M.A.R. in Theology from Yale Divinity School. She is an Associate with Eleison Group and a deacon at Calvary Baptist Church.

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by: karlaw55

07-22-2010 @ 9:28pm

Do you mean the corporations who are given take breaks and pay no taxes or the rich who pay less in taxes than their housekeepers? Are those the lazy people you are referring to?

by: Patricia

07-26-2010 @ 2:22pm

I think it's because many Christian denominations do not accept Mormons as "true" Christians, and therefore any Mormon views are considered "outsider" and suspect.

Even (or, perhaps especially) Christian fantasy Mormon views :)!

by: WaveTossed

07-22-2010 @ 8:12pm

Ngchen wrote: "[WaveTossed wrote: 'When Christ comes again, He (She?) won't come with visible signs of trumpets or conquering armies. Christ will come in Glory, but it will likely be the sort of Glory that many will not understand because Christ will be once more among the outcasts and the least of all. Only those who truly understand the message that He brought to us will recognize the Christ upon this return.'

"[Ngchen] Interesting idea. But would what you wrote fly in the face of Revelation, where we have the bowls of wrath being poured out full strength, and the demands of justice from the martyrs finally fulfilled? Justice frequently is not kind; but it's a sort of good in itself. One aspect of Christianity that I appreciate and take to be further validation of itself is its recognition of the inherent tension between justice and love."

I don't take all of Revelations literally, neither does my pastor. As for the imagery of bowls of wrath being poured out full strength, and the demands of justice from the martyrs finally fulfilled": this could be taken in several ways. Perhaps the "bowls of wrath" would signify that Jesus doesn't come with thrones, trumpets, signs of earthly glory and thus some of those who worship worldly possessions would be sorely disappointed to say the least. Think of it: one of Jesus' modern desciples longs for Jesus to come in rich, material glory. Instead, Jesus brings once again the message to associate with the outcasts, the lease of all? So that means that those who seek power and material glory will have to let it go and follow Him (or perhaps Her?) once more among the outcasts of the world. .

As for "the demands of justice" being finally fulfilled, repudiating the value of material power and overt glory will fulfill the demands of justice put out by the oppressed. I just can't see Jesus coming back with trumpets and the accoutrements of wealth, power, and riches. That never was His message.

by: karlaw55

07-22-2010 @ 9:24pm

So I take then that you are a Nazi supporter? I can think of no other reason for your support of Glenda and comparison of Bonhoeffer to domestic terrorists.

by: PASTOR JEFF

07-24-2010 @ 3:31am

Is it right for us to be motivated by a future heaven?

by: karlaw55

07-22-2010 @ 9:24pm

So I take then that you are a Nazi supporter? I can think of no other reason for your support of Glenda and comparison of Bonhoeffer to domestic terrorists.

by: PASTOR JEFF

07-24-2010 @ 3:31am

Is it right for us to be motivated by a future heaven?

by: Ngchen

07-24-2010 @ 3:16am

I understand how large parts of Revelation are symbolic. In terms of the timing though, I know there is the "historicist" view as opposed to the myriad of "futurist" views. But unless we believe in some sort of heaven on earth, how can the new heaven and new earth not take place sometime in the future?

by: Ngchen

07-24-2010 @ 3:16am

I understand how large parts of Revelation are symbolic. In terms of the timing though, I know there is the "historicist" view as opposed to the myriad of "futurist" views. But unless we believe in some sort of heaven on earth, how can the new heaven and new earth not take place sometime in the future?

by: PASTOR JEFF

07-26-2010 @ 2:06am

Genesis 3:22
How can a completed event be a temptation? Being like God is a done deal.

by: BlueDeacon

07-24-2010 @ 4:13am

If you understand that God is not bound by time, it makes what He's doing in the here and now a lot more comprehensible. God is already "there"; we can't be just yet.

by: PASTOR JEFF

07-26-2010 @ 2:03am

speak out for the oppressed,"

And what will you say to whom?

by: BlueDeacon

07-24-2010 @ 4:13am

If you understand that God is not bound by time, it makes what He's doing in the here and now a lot more comprehensible. God is already "there"; we can't be just yet.

by: Eaglerock

07-26-2010 @ 3:11am

Easily explained. The income appears to increase because the value of the dollar dropped, not because of an actual increase in wealth. I remember buying gas for $.25 a gallon back in 1975. it is currently $2.55 here. You could buy a new car for $3000, now you pay $30,000 for the same car. It's called inflation.

The federal reserve causes it by printing more dollars. The reason is to force the rich to invest, thus creating jobs for the poor, instead of putting it in a hole in the back yard.

by: BlueDeacon

07-22-2010 @ 8:49pm

Beck doesn't even know enough about "liberal theology" to critique it properly; if he did he would specifically address what's wrong with it and invite people on his show to talk about it. In fact, he's not into "theology" at all. What he's into, really, is a form of "class warfare" that earns him $$$ from the Fox News Channel by blaming some "them" for all America's problems because that's what people want to hear.

BTW, cable doesn't cost all that much, and mobile phones often cost less than landlines. Most of those cars are in fact used. And the rest of your commentary is so uninformed that I'd be surprised if it doesn't get flagged.

by: WaveTossed

07-26-2010 @ 3:03am

Eaglerock wrote: "Seeing how Christ was circumcised on the eight day, I don't think there should be any question on his gender. (Luke 2:21)"

I have not the slightest doubt that Jesus came as a man when He came on Earth to bring His Message. He was the Son of God.

When I used the pronoun "she", I was talking about a possible Second Coming. In the Second Coming, Christ may very well be female -- and only those who truly believe will recognize Christ.

by: pcnot4me

07-22-2010 @ 8:35pm

The continued bashing for Glenn Beck takes place for one reason. He continually speaks the truth about liberal theology. It's always the truth that stings the most.

And to use the cross to defend liberal politics is quite frankly blasphemy. Jesus died for our sins. He spoke of loving the poor and caring for the poor. The Roman system gave no hope for the poor. The majority of "poor" in America with their cable TV,cell phones,cars,and welfare payments are the richest poor in the history of the world. They are not oppressed. Most are uneducated, lazy or both. The Bible is very clear about the slothful and what happens to them. And reaping what you sow.

Unfortunately liberal programs have so enabled so many lazy people and given "help" to so many who shouldn't need it, that we don't have any money left and can't help those that really need it (widows,orphans, disabled etc). We help them some, but not to the degree that we could if there weren't so many others feeding from the trough

by: Eaglerock

07-26-2010 @ 2:47am

Seeing how Christ was circumcised on the eight day, I don't think there should be any question on his gender. (Luke 2:21)

by: yossarianj

07-26-2010 @ 8:33am

I thought this was a beautiful and well written post. I would ask, however, as a practicing mormon; why all the mormon bashing whenever Beck comes up? Look, I know he's a mormon but that does not mean his views reflect mormonism. I see a lot of analysis about what mormons believe and why Beck believes this or that but the vast majority of the time, these statements are just inaccurate.

I personally find many of Beck's views repugnant and at odds with the kingdom revealed by Jesus in his life, teachings, death, and resurrection. Im glad that this site takes time to challenge Beck's ventures into theology because it matters. There are millions of people who listen to him and I pray that they do not embrace his bigotry and narcissistic views masquerading as theology. If Beck's ideas do not embrace social justice and standing up for the oppressed than I want nothing to do with them.

by: xfree9

07-26-2010 @ 12:25pm

Where does Beck advocate worshiping America? When has he suggested that?

This is actually one area where i disagree with Beck. I'm interested in people being freed from oppression and sin in any/all areas of life. beck still has an attachment to "the republic."

by: DJ9791

07-22-2010 @ 10:24pm

Rev. Bonhoeffer did not "conspire to assassinate Hitler" as quoted above. What he did was to speak out against the Nazi regime and decry the silence of the church in Germany and elsewhere, and to dare to help shield those who tried to flee from the SS. He struggled mightly with those who supported killing Hitler, and never actually assented to the assassination plots...he was executed based on false testimony gained through torture of other conspirators, however his "crimes" against the Nazi state were a long list of offenses which the Nazis had compiled over the years, beginning with his temporary flight from Germany to avoid being silenced. When he returned and was interrogated, he refused to agree to stop preaching against the Nazi government and was then banned from public preaching by the German church itself. He even registered for military conscription as a military chaplain, but this was refused because he was "politically unreliable"; he felt very strongly that he needed to be with those who's souls were terribly at risk while fighting for a murderous regime.

To compare Rev. Bonhoeffer to modern abortion bombers is not only senseless but in denial of the facts.

Mr. Beck and others will say whatever puts money in their pockets and feed their egos...as difficult as it may seem, they need our prayers, not our insults.

by: karlaw55

07-22-2010 @ 9:28pm

Do you mean the corporations who are given take breaks and pay no taxes or the rich who pay less in taxes than their housekeepers? Are those the lazy people you are referring to?

by: DJ9791

07-22-2010 @ 10:24pm

Rev. Bonhoeffer did not "conspire to assassinate Hitler" as quoted above. What he did was to speak out against the Nazi regime and decry the silence of the church in Germany and elsewhere, and to dare to help shield those who tried to flee from the SS. He struggled mightly with those who supported killing Hitler, and never actually assented to the assassination plots...he was executed based on false testimony gained through torture of other conspirators, however his "crimes" against the Nazi state were a long list of offenses which the Nazis had compiled over the years, beginning with his temporary flight from Germany to avoid being silenced. When he returned and was interrogated, he refused to agree to stop preaching against the Nazi government and was then banned from public preaching by the German church itself. He even registered for military conscription as a military chaplain, but this was refused because he was "politically unreliable"; he felt very strongly that he needed to be with those who's souls were terribly at risk while fighting for a murderous regime.

To compare Rev. Bonhoeffer to modern abortion bombers is not only senseless but in denial of the facts.

Mr. Beck and others will say whatever puts money in their pockets and feed their egos...as difficult as it may seem, they need our prayers, not our insults.

by: karlaw55

07-22-2010 @ 9:24pm

So I take then that you are a Nazi supporter? I can think of no other reason for your support of Glenda and comparison of Bonhoeffer to domestic terrorists.

by: karlaw55

07-22-2010 @ 10:05pm

Here are more facts, my darling.

1% of the population owns 42.7% of the wealth, while the next 19% owns 50.3% of the wealth. That leave the remaining 80% of the population owning 7% of the wealth (2007 data).

Perhaps that is why the top 20% pays more tax.

by: karlaw55

07-22-2010 @ 10:05pm

Here are more facts, my darling.

1% of the population owns 42.7% of the wealth, while the next 19% owns 50.3% of the wealth. That leave the remaining 80% of the population owning 7% of the wealth (2007 data).

Perhaps that is why the top 20% pays more tax.

by: AnneMarieHislop

07-22-2010 @ 10:00pm

Mr. Beck needs to read Isaiah "like a lamb to the slaughter"

by: AnneMarieHislop

07-22-2010 @ 10:00pm

Mr. Beck needs to read Isaiah "like a lamb to the slaughter"

by: BlueDeacon

07-22-2010 @ 9:46pm

That doesn't make any sense whatsoever. The only way the bottom 40 percent can even escape paying income tax is if they have children (thanks to EITC), and some years ago conservatives were trying to eliminate even that.

by: yossarianj

07-26-2010 @ 3:07pm

I understand, but in my experience as a life long mormon, there are differences from evangelicals but not as many and not as significant as many seem to suggest.

In particular, many of Beck's views do not come from some "essential" LDS tenets but from what I consider the margins. He has all too often taken the worst of some in LDS thought and made it his gospel. It certainly doesnt resemble what Jesus taught.

by: BlueDeacon

07-22-2010 @ 9:46pm

That doesn't make any sense whatsoever. The only way the bottom 40 percent can even escape paying income tax is if they have children (thanks to EITC), and some years ago conservatives were trying to eliminate even that.

by: DJ9791

07-22-2010 @ 10:24pm

Rev. Bonhoeffer did not "conspire to assassinate Hitler" as quoted above. What he did was to speak out against the Nazi regime and decry the silence of the church in Germany and elsewhere, and to dare to help shield those who tried to flee from the SS. He struggled mightly with those who supported killing Hitler, and never actually assented to the assassination plots...he was executed based on false testimony gained through torture of other conspirators, however his "crimes" against the Nazi state were a long list of offenses which the Nazis had compiled over the years, beginning with his temporary flight from Germany to avoid being silenced. When he returned and was interrogated, he refused to agree to stop preaching against the Nazi government and was then banned from public preaching by the German church itself. He even registered for military conscription as a military chaplain, but this was refused because he was "politically unreliable"; he felt very strongly that he needed to be with those who's souls were terribly at risk while fighting for a murderous regime.

To compare Rev. Bonhoeffer to modern abortion bombers is not only senseless but in denial of the facts.

Mr. Beck and others will say whatever puts money in their pockets and feed their egos...as difficult as it may seem, they need our prayers, not our insults.

by: BlueDeacon

07-26-2010 @ 2:26pm

The problem is two-fold: 1) Many, many evangelical Christians believe that he touts the "Christian" view of things, and that compromises the Gospel. 2) Many of these same evangelicals reject some essential tenets of the LDS church as heretical.

by: pcnot4me

07-22-2010 @ 9:40pm

I hate to let the facts get in the way of your good story, but.....

The top 20% of income earners pay 86.3% of federal income taxes. The top 50% pay more than 96% of all federal income tax. And the bottom 40% not only don't pay anything, they get money back.

by: karlaw55

07-22-2010 @ 10:05pm

Here are more facts, my darling.

1% of the population owns 42.7% of the wealth, while the next 19% owns 50.3% of the wealth. That leave the remaining 80% of the population owning 7% of the wealth (2007 data).

Perhaps that is why the top 20% pays more tax.

by: Patricia

07-26-2010 @ 2:22pm

I think it's because many Christian denominations do not accept Mormons as "true" Christians, and therefore any Mormon views are considered "outsider" and suspect.

Even (or, perhaps especially) Christian fantasy Mormon views :)!

by: pcnot4me

07-22-2010 @ 9:40pm

I hate to let the facts get in the way of your good story, but.....

The top 20% of income earners pay 86.3% of federal income taxes. The top 50% pay more than 96% of all federal income tax. And the bottom 40% not only don't pay anything, they get money back.

by: AnneMarieHislop

07-22-2010 @ 10:00pm

Mr. Beck needs to read Isaiah "like a lamb to the slaughter"

by: BlueDeacon

07-22-2010 @ 9:46pm

That doesn't make any sense whatsoever. The only way the bottom 40 percent can even escape paying income tax is if they have children (thanks to EITC), and some years ago conservatives were trying to eliminate even that.

by: pcnot4me

07-22-2010 @ 9:40pm

I hate to let the facts get in the way of your good story, but.....

The top 20% of income earners pay 86.3% of federal income taxes. The top 50% pay more than 96% of all federal income tax. And the bottom 40% not only don't pay anything, they get money back.

by: retiredpreacher

07-21-2010 @ 8:35pm

It is not surprising that Glen Beck would downplay the Cross. Mormonism does not understand the foolishness of the Cross as the wisdom of God, and thus depart radically from traditional Christian understanding of the Cross (and resurrection) as a symbol, not of defeat, but of God's victory.

by: retiredpreacher

07-21-2010 @ 8:35pm

It is not surprising that Glen Beck would downplay the Cross. Mormonism does not understand the foolishness of the Cross as the wisdom of God, and thus depart radically from traditional Christian understanding of the Cross (and resurrection) as a symbol, not of defeat, but of God's victory.

by: Matthew Franko

07-23-2010 @ 12:39am

PC,
Beck (and to be fair it is not just Beck but "fiscal" conservatives in general) do not have an accurate understanding about the operations of the US Treasury or public finance.

They equate the US Treasury to a household when in fact the Treasury is the only issuer of US dollar denomiated financial assets that exists. They are over taxing and not allowing the deficit to countercyclically grow large enough to restore incomes for households at the lower income levels .

The misguided dogma that Beck spews on this subject leads his audiences to false beliefs that thru the political process, limits our govts fiscal ability to respond to an economic malaise such as we are experiencing now.

This unemployment we are experiencing is doing tremendous spiritual damage to our country. And it is not necessary if the govt would use its power thru fiscal policy to restore incomes from the bottom up.

Resp,
Matt Franko
www.moslereconomics.com
Counter Insurgency, Deficit Errorist Unit

by: author_greg

07-23-2010 @ 12:22am

Pope Benedict XVI does, however, know a great deal about liberation theology and he frequently points out its errors along with the errors of Marxism in the collection of writings, "The Essential Pope Benedict XVI."

by: susanh96

07-21-2010 @ 8:54pm

You totally put your finger on the key issue with Beck's response. In a sense, from his view, I guess it makes sense. If Christ is a conqueror instead of a servant, especially a suffering one, why would he have a special place in his heart for the poor, the least, or the last? And if the solution is conquest, why would you support those who serve or think we should help those who can't just take what they need? It helps me understand him better, but it also makes me pity him more.

by: Matthew Franko

07-23-2010 @ 12:39am

PC,
Beck (and to be fair it is not just Beck but "fiscal" conservatives in general) do not have an accurate understanding about the operations of the US Treasury or public finance.

They equate the US Treasury to a household when in fact the Treasury is the only issuer of US dollar denomiated financial assets that exists. They are over taxing and not allowing the deficit to countercyclically grow large enough to restore incomes for households at the lower income levels .

The misguided dogma that Beck spews on this subject leads his audiences to false beliefs that thru the political process, limits our govts fiscal ability to respond to an economic malaise such as we are experiencing now.

This unemployment we are experiencing is doing tremendous spiritual damage to our country. And it is not necessary if the govt would use its power thru fiscal policy to restore incomes from the bottom up.

Resp,
Matt Franko
www.moslereconomics.com
Counter Insurgency, Deficit Errorist Unit

by: Fozzy_bear

07-23-2010 @ 1:01am

All this talk of "liberation," I think, misses the point. Was Christ's purpose to free us literally from political/economic oppression, or was his mission to free us from the spiritual chains of sin? The Jews of ancient Jerusalem made the mistake expecting a Messiah that would primarily focus on doing the former. When Christ came as meek preacher of spiritual freedom and not some sort of military superhero that was going give the Roman oppressors what for, the religious leaders of the people refused to accept him.

Of course, Christ promises both, but the physical liberation won't come (at least not completely) until after all the bad stuff in the Book of Revelations happens and Christ comes to take physical control of his kingdom. Instead, we should focus on the spiritual liberation from sin which is already freely available to all.

And as more and more people find Christ, the natural manifestation of that will be that they treat their fellow man better, and seek to succor those in need, and, if they are guilty of oppression, they will correct that sin. (If they don't, they haven't really found Christ, now have they?) This will, in turn, lead to liberating the oppressed. But, this is a secondary effect, not the primary purpose of Christ's message.

The only question remaining is: What's the best way a Christian should go about succoring those in need?

I don't know Glenn Beck's true intentions, but the Comment Code of Conduct seems to indicate that I should give him the benefit of the doubt, so I will. I know a lot of conservatives who agree with Beck's views, and a lot of liberals who disagree, and many from both groups are very sincere in their love of God and their neighbor. Beck's view of Christ as a conqueror of death and hell in no way excludes the necessity to care for the poor. He simply disagrees with liberals on the best way to accomplish that end.

by: Matthew Franko

07-23-2010 @ 12:39am

PC,
Beck (and to be fair it is not just Beck but "fiscal" conservatives in general) do not have an accurate understanding about the operations of the US Treasury or public finance.

They equate the US Treasury to a household when in fact the Treasury is the only issuer of US dollar denomiated financial assets that exists. They are over taxing and not allowing the deficit to countercyclically grow large enough to restore incomes for households at the lower income levels .

The misguided dogma that Beck spews on this subject leads his audiences to false beliefs that thru the political process, limits our govts fiscal ability to respond to an economic malaise such as we are experiencing now.

This unemployment we are experiencing is doing tremendous spiritual damage to our country. And it is not necessary if the govt would use its power thru fiscal policy to restore incomes from the bottom up.

Resp,
Matt Franko
www.moslereconomics.com
Counter Insurgency, Deficit Errorist Unit

by: author_greg

07-23-2010 @ 12:22am

Pope Benedict XVI does, however, know a great deal about liberation theology and he frequently points out its errors along with the errors of Marxism in the collection of writings, "The Essential Pope Benedict XVI."

by: author_greg

07-23-2010 @ 12:22am

Pope Benedict XVI does, however, know a great deal about liberation theology and he frequently points out its errors along with the errors of Marxism in the collection of writings, "The Essential Pope Benedict XVI."

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by: retiredpreacher

07-21-2010 @ 8:35pm

It is not surprising that Glen Beck would downplay the Cross. Mormonism does not understand the foolishness of the Cross as the wisdom of God, and thus depart radically from traditional Christian understanding of the Cross (and resurrection) as a symbol, not of defeat, but of God's victory.

by: retiredpreacher

07-21-2010 @ 8:35pm

It is not surprising that Glen Beck would downplay the Cross. Mormonism does not understand the foolishness of the Cross as the wisdom of God, and thus depart radically from traditional Christian understanding of the Cross (and resurrection) as a symbol, not of defeat, but of God's victory.

by: retiredpreacher

07-21-2010 @ 8:35pm

It is not surprising that Glen Beck would downplay the Cross. Mormonism does not understand the foolishness of the Cross as the wisdom of God, and thus depart radically from traditional Christian understanding of the Cross (and resurrection) as a symbol, not of defeat, but of God's victory.

by: susanh96

07-21-2010 @ 8:54pm

You totally put your finger on the key issue with Beck's response. In a sense, from his view, I guess it makes sense. If Christ is a conqueror instead of a servant, especially a suffering one, why would he have a special place in his heart for the poor, the least, or the last? And if the solution is conquest, why would you support those who serve or think we should help those who can't just take what they need? It helps me understand him better, but it also makes me pity him more.

by: susanh96

07-21-2010 @ 8:54pm

You totally put your finger on the key issue with Beck's response. In a sense, from his view, I guess it makes sense. If Christ is a conqueror instead of a servant, especially a suffering one, why would he have a special place in his heart for the poor, the least, or the last? And if the solution is conquest, why would you support those who serve or think we should help those who can't just take what they need? It helps me understand him better, but it also makes me pity him more.

by: Sin_Boldly

07-21-2010 @ 9:35pm

I do not have a deep understanding of Mormonism and its place in the unfolding tapestry that is our Christian faith, so will defer to your assessment of why Beck may believe/behave as he does, but I do concur most wholeheartedly with your assessment that the Cross and Resurrection is a symbol of God's victory; victory, not through might, power, wealth and greatness, but through love, humility, compassion and humanity.

I find Rachael Johnson's article to be one of the best and most concise at stating the heart and soul of our faith. I read her words and wonder how some of our great religious minds of the past (and the present also) could have been so blind to the great truths of our faith. I especially appreciate her comments about Dietrich Bonhoeffer (an often forgotten and unappreciated theologian) and his relevance for our suffering world today.

I only wish there were more faithful the ilk of the Ms. Johnson and Dr. Bonhoeffer, rather than Mr. Glenn Beck. I have faith though that God's truth and goodness will prevail. I do believe that we progress as a species.

by: Sin_Boldly

07-21-2010 @ 9:35pm

I do not have a deep understanding of Mormonism and its place in the unfolding tapestry that is our Christian faith, so will defer to your assessment of why Beck may believe/behave as he does, but I do concur most wholeheartedly with your assessment that the Cross and Resurrection is a symbol of God's victory; victory, not through might, power, wealth and greatness, but through love, humility, compassion and humanity.

I find Rachael Johnson's article to be one of the best and most concise at stating the heart and soul of our faith. I read her words and wonder how some of our great religious minds of the past (and the present also) could have been so blind to the great truths of our faith. I especially appreciate her comments about Dietrich Bonhoeffer (an often forgotten and unappreciated theologian) and his relevance for our suffering world today.

I only wish there were more faithful the ilk of the Ms. Johnson and Dr. Bonhoeffer, rather than Mr. Glenn Beck. I have faith though that God's truth and goodness will prevail. I do believe that we progress as a species.

by: Sin_Boldly

07-21-2010 @ 9:35pm

I do not have a deep understanding of Mormonism and its place in the unfolding tapestry that is our Christian faith, so will defer to your assessment of why Beck may believe/behave as he does, but I do concur most wholeheartedly with your assessment that the Cross and Resurrection is a symbol of God's victory; victory, not through might, power, wealth and greatness, but through love, humility, compassion and humanity.

I find Rachael Johnson's article to be one of the best and most concise at stating the heart and soul of our faith. I read her words and wonder how some of our great religious minds of the past (and the present also) could have been so blind to the great truths of our faith. I especially appreciate her comments about Dietrich Bonhoeffer (an often forgotten and unappreciated theologian) and his relevance for our suffering world today.

I only wish there were more faithful the ilk of the Ms. Johnson and Dr. Bonhoeffer, rather than Mr. Glenn Beck. I have faith though that God's truth and goodness will prevail. I do believe that we progress as a species.

by: xfree9

07-21-2010 @ 9:56pm

While I think the author here has some excellent points, Beck is being taken to say things more than what he said. I happened to catch the show in reference, and I did not walk away feeling what this author felt or understood as Beck's message.

But if indeed Beck and Bonhoeffer are at odds, I'll take the latter any day.

by: xfree9

07-21-2010 @ 9:56pm

While I think the author here has some excellent points, Beck is being taken to say things more than what he said. I happened to catch the show in reference, and I did not walk away feeling what this author felt or understood as Beck's message.

But if indeed Beck and Bonhoeffer are at odds, I'll take the latter any day.

by: xfree9

07-21-2010 @ 9:56pm

While I think the author here has some excellent points, Beck is being taken to say things more than what he said. I happened to catch the show in reference, and I did not walk away feeling what this author felt or understood as Beck's message.

But if indeed Beck and Bonhoeffer are at odds, I'll take the latter any day.

by: rustys1

07-21-2010 @ 10:38pm

"Christ came as a suffering servant, and not a conquering king"

Actually, he was both. He conquered death as a suffering servant King.

Romans 8:37:

"in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord."

by: rustys1

07-21-2010 @ 10:38pm

"Christ came as a suffering servant, and not a conquering king"

Actually, he was both. He conquered death as a suffering servant King.

Romans 8:37:

"in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord."

by: rustys1

07-21-2010 @ 10:38pm

"Christ came as a suffering servant, and not a conquering king"

Actually, he was both. He conquered death as a suffering servant King.

Romans 8:37:

"in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord."

by: Palosaari

07-21-2010 @ 10:44pm

Since Beck is clearly insane, and I know a little bit more than he does, why can't I get a multimillion dollar contract for a TV show?

by: Palosaari

07-21-2010 @ 10:44pm

Since Beck is clearly insane, and I know a little bit more than he does, why can't I get a multimillion dollar contract for a TV show?

by: Palosaari

07-21-2010 @ 10:44pm

Since Beck is clearly insane, and I know a little bit more than he does, why can't I get a multimillion dollar contract for a TV show?

by: Palosaari

07-21-2010 @ 10:54pm

In the Mormon belief system, Jesus was not God become man- he was a man who became God, just like God the father did, just like each of us can become one day, ruling our own planets. This is not a theology of kenosis, but of one grabbing more power and authority. This, too, seems in keeping with his take on the Gospel which is no Gospel at all.

by: Palosaari

07-21-2010 @ 10:54pm

In the Mormon belief system, Jesus was not God become man- he was a man who became God, just like God the father did, just like each of us can become one day, ruling our own planets. This is not a theology of kenosis, but of one grabbing more power and authority. This, too, seems in keeping with his take on the Gospel which is no Gospel at all.

by: Palosaari

07-21-2010 @ 10:54pm

In the Mormon belief system, Jesus was not God become man- he was a man who became God, just like God the father did, just like each of us can become one day, ruling our own planets. This is not a theology of kenosis, but of one grabbing more power and authority. This, too, seems in keeping with his take on the Gospel which is no Gospel at all.

by: Matthew Franko

07-22-2010 @ 2:46am

I think one of the things brother Beck (and not just him there are others around him politically) may be missing is Christ's message to those in Israel who were not receiving an 'economic justice' that was mandated by God under The Law.

He says in Mt 5:3 "Happy, in spirit, are the poor, for theirs is the kingdom of the heavens."

Now I checked my concordance and the word "poor" was translated from the Greek word meaning "lacking the means of subsistance". It was not an adjective describing ones emotional or mental state. It was a description of their economic status within the society at that time. Their spirit was happy because they were remaining faithful to The Law, but their souls were suffering because they were forceably "unemployed". They wanted to work but were being prevented from doing so.

How could an Israelite, who under The Law, was guaranteed an allotment of the land for farming/agriculture, be 'lacking the means of subsistence'? The allotment of the land was either not provided or was taken away (foreclosure?) from them, under the leadership of that time. Completely in violation of The Law.

The just of Israel were devastated by this, their world had been turned upside down, and they found it harder to be reconciled to God, He continues in Mt 5:4: ""Happy are those who mourn now, for they shall be consoled."

He promises them that they will experience better days ahead in Mt 5:5: "Happy are the meek, for they shall be enjoying the allotment of the land."

Christ tells them that they have a destiny that will return them to their alloted land and again provide them with a means of subsistence.

Our current economic policies here in the US are resulting in 10% unemployment, 18% underemployment and a resultant lower quality of life for all of us. This is destroying families, discouraging young people, pitting us against ourselves.

We need policies that promote FULL employment for all willing and able to work, we need a Federal Job Guaranty program, no matter what the fiscal implications may be.

Amazingly, with 18% underemployment, Beck will try to tell us 'we can't afford it!", he needs 'adjusting'.

by: Matthew Franko

07-22-2010 @ 2:46am

I think one of the things brother Beck (and not just him there are others around him politically) may be missing is Christ's message to those in Israel who were not receiving an 'economic justice' that was mandated by God under The Law.

He says in Mt 5:3 "Happy, in spirit, are the poor, for theirs is the kingdom of the heavens."

Now I checked my concordance and the word "poor" was translated from the Greek word meaning "lacking the means of subsistance". It was not an adjective describing ones emotional or mental state. It was a description of their economic status within the society at that time. Their spirit was happy because they were remaining faithful to The Law, but their souls were suffering because they were forceably "unemployed". They wanted to work but were being prevented from doing so.

How could an Israelite, who under The Law, was guaranteed an allotment of the land for farming/agriculture, be 'lacking the means of subsistence'? The allotment of the land was either not provided or was taken away (foreclosure?) from them, under the leadership of that time. Completely in violation of The Law.

The just of Israel were devastated by this, their world had been turned upside down, and they found it harder to be reconciled to God, He continues in Mt 5:4: ""Happy are those who mourn now, for they shall be consoled."

He promises them that they will experience better days ahead in Mt 5:5: "Happy are the meek, for they shall be enjoying the allotment of the land."

Christ tells them that they have a destiny that will return them to their alloted land and again provide them with a means of subsistence.

Our current economic policies here in the US are resulting in 10% unemployment, 18% underemployment and a resultant lower quality of life for all of us. This is destroying families, discouraging young people, pitting us against ourselves.

We need policies that promote FULL employment for all willing and able to work, we need a Federal Job Guaranty program, no matter what the fiscal implications may be.

Amazingly, with 18% underemployment, Beck will try to tell us 'we can't afford it!", he needs 'adjusting'.

by: WaveTossed

07-22-2010 @ 12:22pm

I'm starting to think that there are some who identify more with the Second Coming of Christ as a vision of a conquering hero complete with trumpets, bands, a host of various entities who will sieze people and cast them into the eternal fires of damnation. I'm not sure that some of these believers are truly comfortable with a Christ who was degraded, mocked, utterly humiliated, beaten, abused, and then hammered onto a Cross to die the death of the most depised of outcasts and criminals. Some of these believers want some sort of Holy Vengeance from the heavens to rain down upon those who would treat Jesus in this way.

Jesus did come back from the dead, however. But He didn't show up with trumpets or a conquering army. He showed up rather unobtrusively among His disciples giving forth His gentle message of love and reconciliation. I love reading the passages where the Resurrected Christ quietly associates with His worshippers.

In my mind, the Cross and the Resurrection are the cruxes of Christianity. God sent His Son to Earth to give a gentle message of love and service. God didn't send His Son to conquer or punish.

When Christ comes again, He (She?) won't come with visible signs of trumpets or conquering armies. Christ will come in Glory, but it will likely be the sort of Glory that many will not understand because Christ will be once more among the outcasts and the least of all. Only those who truly understand the message that He brought to us will recognize the Christ upon this return.

by: WaveTossed

07-22-2010 @ 12:22pm

I'm starting to think that there are some who identify more with the Second Coming of Christ as a vision of a conquering hero complete with trumpets, bands, a host of various entities who will sieze people and cast them into the eternal fires of damnation. I'm not sure that some of these believers are truly comfortable with a Christ who was degraded, mocked, utterly humiliated, beaten, abused, and then hammered onto a Cross to die the death of the most depised of outcasts and criminals. Some of these believers want some sort of Holy Vengeance from the heavens to rain down upon those who would treat Jesus in this way.

Jesus did come back from the dead, however. But He didn't show up with trumpets or a conquering army. He showed up rather unobtrusively among His disciples giving forth His gentle message of love and reconciliation. I love reading the passages where the Resurrected Christ quietly associates with His worshippers.

In my mind, the Cross and the Resurrection are the cruxes of Christianity. God sent His Son to Earth to give a gentle message of love and service. God didn't send His Son to conquer or punish.

When Christ comes again, He (She?) won't come with visible signs of trumpets or conquering armies. Christ will come in Glory, but it will likely be the sort of Glory that many will not understand because Christ will be once more among the outcasts and the least of all. Only those who truly understand the message that He brought to us will recognize the Christ upon this return.

by: nuclearferret

07-22-2010 @ 5:40pm

Bonhoeffer, the "minister" who plotted to assassinate Adolf Hitler? That's the Christian example of the gospels. I don't recall seeing Glenn Beck suggesting the President of the United States be killed. If Bonhoeffer is heroic in his opposition to Nazism, abortion clinic bombers merit similar mercy.

by: nuclearferret

07-22-2010 @ 5:40pm

Bonhoeffer, the "minister" who plotted to assassinate Adolf Hitler? That's the Christian example of the gospels. I don't recall seeing Glenn Beck suggesting the President of the United States be killed. If Bonhoeffer is heroic in his opposition to Nazism, abortion clinic bombers merit similar mercy.

by: nuclearferret

07-22-2010 @ 5:40pm

Bonhoeffer, the "minister" who plotted to assassinate Adolf Hitler? That's the Christian example of the gospels. I don't recall seeing Glenn Beck suggesting the President of the United States be killed. If Bonhoeffer is heroic in his opposition to Nazism, abortion clinic bombers merit similar mercy.

by: Ngchen

07-22-2010 @ 6:37pm

WaveTossed wrote:
When Christ comes again, He (She?) won't come with visible signs of trumpets or conquering armies. Christ will come in Glory, but it will likely be the sort of Glory that many will not understand because Christ will be once more among the outcasts and the least of all. Only those who truly understand the message that He brought to us will recognize the Christ upon this return.

Interesting idea. But would what you wrote fly in the face of Revelation, where we have the bowls of wrath being poured out full strength, and the demands of justice from the martyrs finally fulfilled? Justice frequently is not kind; but it's a sort of good in itself. One aspect of Christianity that I appreciate and take to be further validation of itself is its recognition of the inherent tension between justice and love.

BTW, I'm glad there is a discussion of theology at sojo. It's one of the things that's too rare around here.

by: Ngchen

07-22-2010 @ 6:37pm

WaveTossed wrote:
When Christ comes again, He (She?) won't come with visible signs of trumpets or conquering armies. Christ will come in Glory, but it will likely be the sort of Glory that many will not understand because Christ will be once more among the outcasts and the least of all. Only those who truly understand the message that He brought to us will recognize the Christ upon this return.

Interesting idea. But would what you wrote fly in the face of Revelation, where we have the bowls of wrath being poured out full strength, and the demands of justice from the martyrs finally fulfilled? Justice frequently is not kind; but it's a sort of good in itself. One aspect of Christianity that I appreciate and take to be further validation of itself is its recognition of the inherent tension between justice and love.

BTW, I'm glad there is a discussion of theology at sojo. It's one of the things that's too rare around here.

by: Ngchen

07-22-2010 @ 6:37pm

WaveTossed wrote:
When Christ comes again, He (She?) won't come with visible signs of trumpets or conquering armies. Christ will come in Glory, but it will likely be the sort of Glory that many will not understand because Christ will be once more among the outcasts and the least of all. Only those who truly understand the message that He brought to us will recognize the Christ upon this return.

Interesting idea. But would what you wrote fly in the face of Revelation, where we have the bowls of wrath being poured out full strength, and the demands of justice from the martyrs finally fulfilled? Justice frequently is not kind; but it's a sort of good in itself. One aspect of Christianity that I appreciate and take to be further validation of itself is its recognition of the inherent tension between justice and love.

BTW, I'm glad there is a discussion of theology at sojo. It's one of the things that's too rare around here.

by: outragex

07-22-2010 @ 8:00pm

STOP IT! Just stop the Beck bickering. It just demeans this site to think that refuting a shock jock like Beck is the highest level of discussion we can have. It seems like an obsession. Beck is not worth this much of our attention. Also, I don't want to bash Mormon beleifs just like I don't want to criticize Jews, Buddists, Muslims, etc. Move on and let's consider something more involving for thoughtful Christians.

by: outragex

07-22-2010 @ 8:00pm

STOP IT! Just stop the Beck bickering. It just demeans this site to think that refuting a shock jock like Beck is the highest level of discussion we can have. It seems like an obsession. Beck is not worth this much of our attention. Also, I don't want to bash Mormon beleifs just like I don't want to criticize Jews, Buddists, Muslims, etc. Move on and let's consider something more involving for thoughtful Christians.

by: outragex

07-22-2010 @ 8:00pm

STOP IT! Just stop the Beck bickering. It just demeans this site to think that refuting a shock jock like Beck is the highest level of discussion we can have. It seems like an obsession. Beck is not worth this much of our attention. Also, I don't want to bash Mormon beleifs just like I don't want to criticize Jews, Buddists, Muslims, etc. Move on and let's consider something more involving for thoughtful Christians.

by: WaveTossed

07-22-2010 @ 8:12pm

Ngchen wrote: "[WaveTossed wrote: 'When Christ comes again, He (She?) won't come with visible signs of trumpets or conquering armies. Christ will come in Glory, but it will likely be the sort of Glory that many will not understand because Christ will be once more among the outcasts and the least of all. Only those who truly understand the message that He brought to us will recognize the Christ upon this return.'

"[Ngchen] Interesting idea. But would what you wrote fly in the face of Revelation, where we have the bowls of wrath being poured out full strength, and the demands of justice from the martyrs finally fulfilled? Justice frequently is not kind; but it's a sort of good in itself. One aspect of Christianity that I appreciate and take to be further validation of itself is its recognition of the inherent tension between justice and love."

I don't take all of Revelations literally, neither does my pastor. As for the imagery of bowls of wrath being poured out full strength, and the demands of justice from the martyrs finally fulfilled": this could be taken in several ways. Perhaps the "bowls of wrath" would signify that Jesus doesn't come with thrones, trumpets, signs of earthly glory and thus some of those who worship worldly possessions would be sorely disappointed to say the least. Think of it: one of Jesus' modern desciples longs for Jesus to come in rich, material glory. Instead, Jesus brings once again the message to associate with the outcasts, the lease of all? So that means that those who seek power and material glory will have to let it go and follow Him (or perhaps Her?) once more among the outcasts of the world. .

As for "the demands of justice" being finally fulfilled, repudiating the value of material power and overt glory will fulfill the demands of justice put out by the oppressed. I just can't see Jesus coming back with trumpets and the accoutrements of wealth, power, and riches. That never was His message.

by: WaveTossed

07-22-2010 @ 8:12pm

Ngchen wrote: "[WaveTossed wrote: 'When Christ comes again, He (She?) won't come with visible signs of trumpets or conquering armies. Christ will come in Glory, but it will likely be the sort of Glory that many will not understand because Christ will be once more among the outcasts and the least of all. Only those who truly understand the message that He brought to us will recognize the Christ upon this return.'

"[Ngchen] Interesting idea. But would what you wrote fly in the face of Revelation, where we have the bowls of wrath being poured out full strength, and the demands of justice from the martyrs finally fulfilled? Justice frequently is not kind; but it's a sort of good in itself. One aspect of Christianity that I appreciate and take to be further validation of itself is its recognition of the inherent tension between justice and love."

I don't take all of Revelations literally, neither does my pastor. As for the imagery of bowls of wrath being poured out full strength, and the demands of justice from the martyrs finally fulfilled": this could be taken in several ways. Perhaps the "bowls of wrath" would signify that Jesus doesn't come with thrones, trumpets, signs of earthly glory and thus some of those who worship worldly possessions would be sorely disappointed to say the least. Think of it: one of Jesus' modern desciples longs for Jesus to come in rich, material glory. Instead, Jesus brings once again the message to associate with the outcasts, the lease of all? So that means that those who seek power and material glory will have to let it go and follow Him (or perhaps Her?) once more among the outcasts of the world. .

As for "the demands of justice" being finally fulfilled, repudiating the value of material power and overt glory will fulfill the demands of justice put out by the oppressed. I just can't see Jesus coming back with trumpets and the accoutrements of wealth, power, and riches. That never was His message.

by: WaveTossed

07-22-2010 @ 8:12pm

Ngchen wrote: "[WaveTossed wrote: 'When Christ comes again, He (She?) won't come with visible signs of trumpets or conquering armies. Christ will come in Glory, but it will likely be the sort of Glory that many will not understand because Christ will be once more among the outcasts and the least of all. Only those who truly understand the message that He brought to us will recognize the Christ upon this return.'

"[Ngchen] Interesting idea. But would what you wrote fly in the face of Revelation, where we have the bowls of wrath being poured out full strength, and the demands of justice from the martyrs finally fulfilled? Justice frequently is not kind; but it's a sort of good in itself. One aspect of Christianity that I appreciate and take to be further validation of itself is its recognition of the inherent tension between justice and love."

I don't take all of Revelations literally, neither does my pastor. As for the imagery of bowls of wrath being poured out full strength, and the demands of justice from the martyrs finally fulfilled": this could be taken in several ways. Perhaps the "bowls of wrath" would signify that Jesus doesn't come with thrones, trumpets, signs of earthly glory and thus some of those who worship worldly possessions would be sorely disappointed to say the least. Think of it: one of Jesus' modern desciples longs for Jesus to come in rich, material glory. Instead, Jesus brings once again the message to associate with the outcasts, the lease of all? So that means that those who seek power and material glory will have to let it go and follow Him (or perhaps Her?) once more among the outcasts of the world. .

As for "the demands of justice" being finally fulfilled, repudiating the value of material power and overt glory will fulfill the demands of justice put out by the oppressed. I just can't see Jesus coming back with trumpets and the accoutrements of wealth, power, and riches. That never was His message.

by: pcnot4me

07-22-2010 @ 8:35pm

The continued bashing for Glenn Beck takes place for one reason. He continually speaks the truth about liberal theology. It's always the truth that stings the most.

And to use the cross to defend liberal politics is quite frankly blasphemy. Jesus died for our sins. He spoke of loving the poor and caring for the poor. The Roman system gave no hope for the poor. The majority of "poor" in America with their cable TV,cell phones,cars,and welfare payments are the richest poor in the history of the world. They are not oppressed. Most are uneducated, lazy or both. The Bible is very clear about the slothful and what happens to them. And reaping what you sow.

Unfortunately liberal programs have so enabled so many lazy people and given "help" to so many who shouldn't need it, that we don't have any money left and can't help those that really need it (widows,orphans, disabled etc). We help them some, but not to the degree that we could if there weren't so many others feeding from the trough

by: pcnot4me

07-22-2010 @ 8:35pm

The continued bashing for Glenn Beck takes place for one reason. He continually speaks the truth about liberal theology. It's always the truth that stings the most.

And to use the cross to defend liberal politics is quite frankly blasphemy. Jesus died for our sins. He spoke of loving the poor and caring for the poor. The Roman system gave no hope for the poor. The majority of "poor" in America with their cable TV,cell phones,cars,and welfare payments are the richest poor in the history of the world. They are not oppressed. Most are uneducated, lazy or both. The Bible is very clear about the slothful and what happens to them. And reaping what you sow.

Unfortunately liberal programs have so enabled so many lazy people and given "help" to so many who shouldn't need it, that we don't have any money left and can't help those that really need it (widows,orphans, disabled etc). We help them some, but not to the degree that we could if there weren't so many others feeding from the trough

by: pcnot4me

07-22-2010 @ 8:35pm

The continued bashing for Glenn Beck takes place for one reason. He continually speaks the truth about liberal theology. It's always the truth that stings the most.

And to use the cross to defend liberal politics is quite frankly blasphemy. Jesus died for our sins. He spoke of loving the poor and caring for the poor. The Roman system gave no hope for the poor. The majority of "poor" in America with their cable TV,cell phones,cars,and welfare payments are the richest poor in the history of the world. They are not oppressed. Most are uneducated, lazy or both. The Bible is very clear about the slothful and what happens to them. And reaping what you sow.

Unfortunately liberal programs have so enabled so many lazy people and given "help" to so many who shouldn't need it, that we don't have any money left and can't help those that really need it (widows,orphans, disabled etc). We help them some, but not to the degree that we could if there weren't so many others feeding from the trough

by: BlueDeacon

07-22-2010 @ 8:49pm

Beck doesn't even know enough about "liberal theology" to critique it properly; if he did he would specifically address what's wrong with it and invite people on his show to talk about it. In fact, he's not into "theology" at all. What he's into, really, is a form of "class warfare" that earns him $$$ from the Fox News Channel by blaming some "them" for all America's problems because that's what people want to hear.

BTW, cable doesn't cost all that much, and mobile phones often cost less than landlines. Most of those cars are in fact used. And the rest of your commentary is so uninformed that I'd be surprised if it doesn't get flagged.

by: BlueDeacon

07-22-2010 @ 8:49pm

Beck doesn't even know enough about "liberal theology" to critique it properly; if he did he would specifically address what's wrong with it and invite people on his show to talk about it. In fact, he's not into "theology" at all. What he's into, really, is a form of "class warfare" that earns him $$$ from the Fox News Channel by blaming some "them" for all America's problems because that's what people want to hear.

BTW, cable doesn't cost all that much, and mobile phones often cost less than landlines. Most of those cars are in fact used. And the rest of your commentary is so uninformed that I'd be surprised if it doesn't get flagged.

by: BlueDeacon

07-22-2010 @ 8:49pm

Beck doesn't even know enough about "liberal theology" to critique it properly; if he did he would specifically address what's wrong with it and invite people on his show to talk about it. In fact, he's not into "theology" at all. What he's into, really, is a form of "class warfare" that earns him $$$ from the Fox News Channel by blaming some "them" for all America's problems because that's what people want to hear.

BTW, cable doesn't cost all that much, and mobile phones often cost less than landlines. Most of those cars are in fact used. And the rest of your commentary is so uninformed that I'd be surprised if it doesn't get flagged.

by: karlaw55

07-22-2010 @ 9:24pm

So I take then that you are a Nazi supporter? I can think of no other reason for your support of Glenda and comparison of Bonhoeffer to domestic terrorists.

by: karlaw55

07-22-2010 @ 9:24pm

So I take then that you are a Nazi supporter? I can think of no other reason for your support of Glenda and comparison of Bonhoeffer to domestic terrorists.

by: karlaw55

07-22-2010 @ 9:24pm

So I take then that you are a Nazi supporter? I can think of no other reason for your support of Glenda and comparison of Bonhoeffer to domestic terrorists.

by: karlaw55

07-22-2010 @ 9:28pm

Do you mean the corporations who are given take breaks and pay no taxes or the rich who pay less in taxes than their housekeepers? Are those the lazy people you are referring to?

by: karlaw55

07-22-2010 @ 9:28pm

Do you mean the corporations who are given take breaks and pay no taxes or the rich who pay less in taxes than their housekeepers? Are those the lazy people you are referring to?

by: karlaw55

07-22-2010 @ 9:28pm

Do you mean the corporations who are given take breaks and pay no taxes or the rich who pay less in taxes than their housekeepers? Are those the lazy people you are referring to?

by: pcnot4me

07-22-2010 @ 9:40pm

I hate to let the facts get in the way of your good story, but.....

The top 20% of income earners pay 86.3% of federal income taxes. The top 50% pay more than 96% of all federal income tax. And the bottom 40% not only don't pay anything, they get money back.

by: pcnot4me

07-22-2010 @ 9:40pm

I hate to let the facts get in the way of your good story, but.....

The top 20% of income earners pay 86.3% of federal income taxes. The top 50% pay more than 96% of all federal income tax. And the bottom 40% not only don't pay anything, they get money back.