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A Rare Opportunity for Direct Civil Disobedience in Arizona

Since the recent passage of Arizona Senate Bill 1070, scheduled to go into effect on July 29, those of us working for social justice in the United States have a rare opportunity to register a particularly effective form of protest. The inherently unjust nature of this legislation presents conscientious individuals with a real chance to go back to what many might say civil disobedience was originally intended to do: promote the repeal of an unjust law by openly and nonviolently breaking the law itself.

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This is what has come to be known today as direct civil disobedience. It is distinguished from indirect civil disobedience, where the law being broken is not itself the target of the protest. Not many would argue, for instance, that a law prohibiting people from sitting in the middle of the street is unjust. When used to draw attention to an issue of social importance, however, violating this law with a willingness to accept the consequences may be an effective tool. Although the merit of such tactics can vary depending on any number of factors, to score a direct protest by violating an unjust law is very likely to be viewed as more legitimate.

The distinction is useful because in recent years we in the United States haven't had to worry much about severely repressive, overtly dictatorial laws. Not so very long ago, in certain parts of the country, violating an unjust law was as simple as ordering food at a lunch counter, sitting near the front on a city bus, or going swimming at a public beach. More common in the U.S. today we find people courting arrest by blocking entrances to buildings, occupying government offices, or chaining themselves to fences, seeking to address an injustice more or less unrelated to the law actually being transgressed. Since these injustices don't always allow for direct public defiance, we try to create that tenuous link between issue and protest method as best we can. But while indirect civil disobedience always beats inaction, from a strategic standpoint, if the opportunity is there, direct beats indirect every time. And with this new Arizona law, the opportunity is definitely there.

Indeed, not since the end of the draft in 1973 has there been a law in the United States that seems to render itself so well to direct civil disobedience. Arizona SB 1070 requires non-citizens to keep registration documents on them at all times and forces police officers to inquire about immigration status during any kind of arrest or routine stop if they encounter "reasonable suspicion" that the person might be in the country illegally. In addition, the new law gives police leeway to arrest someone solely on the basis of there being probable cause that they may be undocumented, at which point they're to be turned over directly to Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE).

This basically boils down to the police in Arizona having new license to stop anyone looking remotely Hispanic -- for no other reason than that they look remotely Hispanic -- demand papers from them, and take them into custody if satisfactory documents are not immediately produced. Predictably this has led some people, such as Roman Catholic Archbishop Roger Mahony, to draw parallels to the lives of those in Europe forced to live under the Nazi regime. Additionally -- and this concerns all of us -- the new Arizona law makes it a crime to "transport or move," or "conceal, harbor or shield" undocumented immigrants, reminding me more of something out of the Fugitive Slave Acts from this country's dark past. Against such blatantly unjust, potentially far-reaching legislation, at least we're armed with a chance for everyone to participate in its direct disobedience, instead of just abandoning our undocumented brothers and sisters to their fate.

In a relatively short amount of time, Martin Luther King Jr. became somewhat of an expert on unjust laws. In a speech he delivered before the Fellowship of the Concerned in 1961, King defined an unjust law as "a code that the majority inflicts upon the minority, which that minority had no part in enacting or creating, because that minority had no right to vote in many instances." Although close to 50 years old, this definition holds up in modern-day Arizona quite well. The undocumented minority, having virtually no recourse to its voice being heard, is at the mercy of the majority -- in this case that of the Arizona Senate -- 60 percent Republican and 100 percent white.

King places upon his definition one condition: that the law the minority is compelled to obey is not binding upon the majority. This indeed rings true again, as one would have a very hard time imagining members of Arizona's white community consenting to being stopped because of their skin color, questioned by police, and immediately forced to prove their legal status under penalty of detention. On the necessity for civil disobedience when faced with such a law, King writes in his Letter from Birmingham Jail that:

[A]t first glance it may seem rather paradoxical for us consciously to break laws. One may well ask: "How can you advocate breaking some laws and obeying others?" The answer lies in the fact that there are two types of laws: just and unjust. I would be the first to advocate obeying just laws. One has not only a legal but a moral responsibility to obey just laws. Conversely, one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws. I would agree with St. Augustine that "an unjust law is no law at all."

While it's difficult for me to speculate as to exactly how this unjust law should best be disobeyed, the inspiring example is already there of the five students and community organizers who staged a sit-in at Senator John McCain's office in Tucson after the bill's April signing. Remarkably enough, three of the five were undocumented and knowingly subjected themselves to possible deportation, finally undergoing arrest, then detention by ICE, before thankfully being released the next day.

Nobody, of course, could ever expect anyone else to risk such drastic consequences, although the power and moral suasion of such a protest among the general public would be staggering. This most extreme example of civil disobedience to the new Arizona law is only practicable by a small segment of the population -- the ones with the very most at stake. But direct civil disobedience in this case is not just for the undocumented, nor only for those of Hispanic descent; if we can put our heads together and strategize, I think we'll find that Arizona SB 1070 gives all of us the opportunity to figure out a creative, nonviolent, and effective way to break the law, in hopes that someday soon we can see it taken off the books.

Will Travers is a musician, activist, and scholar of nonviolence with a degree from the University of Michigan. Having spent time at Boston's Albert Einstein Institution and New York's Catholic Worker, he now heads the NYC-based band/nonprofit, Lokashakti, promoting peace and social justice through collective nonviolent action. This blog post is provided through a partnership with Waging Nonviolence.

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by: Patricia

07-26-2010 @ 12:28am

And I am saying that when giving up our liberty has become routine, we have no freedom any more.

Drivers licenses, registration, and proof of insurance are NOT the same thing!

by: sigride

07-26-2010 @ 3:36pm

They're only asking for documents you should have anyway.

by: sigride

07-26-2010 @ 3:36pm

They're only asking for documents you should have anyway.

by: WaveTossed

07-22-2010 @ 9:55pm

Sigride wrote: "If I get rear-ended at a traffic light, and the driver can't produce any documents of any kind, something should be done."

What if it had been you had rear-ended the other driver? Or else what if the other driver did absolutely nothing? Should he/she be required to produce documents?

by: WaveTossed

07-22-2010 @ 9:55pm

Sigride wrote: "If I get rear-ended at a traffic light, and the driver can't produce any documents of any kind, something should be done."

What if it had been you had rear-ended the other driver? Or else what if the other driver did absolutely nothing? Should he/she be required to produce documents?

by: sigride

07-22-2010 @ 9:12pm

I don't get why this law is seen as so unjust. Why is it too much for a country to ask for legal papers? Why hasn't this been happening all along?

If I get rear-ended at a traffic light, and the driver can't produce any documents of any kind, something should be done. I have a right to know who hit me and how I can be reimbursed for the damages. If that driver were drunk, he'd be arrested immediately.

We do need to protect US citizens from the violence in Juarez that is growing at an alarming rate, and will inevitably spread across the border.

I do not wish for racial profiling, but perhaps the solution is to write a law to protect folks against that rather than throw out the baby with the bath water.

by: Ngchen

07-22-2010 @ 9:49pm

sigride wrote:
I don't get why this law is seen as so unjust. Why is it too much for a country to ask for legal papers?

Excellent questions. Having papers asked for is usually OK, if and only if there was something else that already happened such as the car wreck you described. Otherwise, we'd have (1) fishing expeditions, which are horribly inefficient and alienate the people, and (2) de facto harassment. (Being repeatedly investigated for the same thing = being harassed.)

A much tamer thing that could be tried would be to run immigration status checks only for those people who're actually already arrested for something else. IIRC some states already do that.

by: pcnot4me

07-22-2010 @ 8:50pm

An entire article comparing law enforcement in AZ to Nazi's. And then you mention 3 illegals who were arrested at Sen McCain's office and thanfully released the next day. I wonder why the racist, Nazi-like law enforcement didn't have them deported liked they could have?

Oh...and I would suggest that you have a sit in at one of our national monuments in Az that has been closed because it's unsafe because of the drug and human trafficking going on from "undocumented immigrants".

by: Ngchen

07-22-2010 @ 9:49pm

sigride wrote:
I don't get why this law is seen as so unjust. Why is it too much for a country to ask for legal papers?

Excellent questions. Having papers asked for is usually OK, if and only if there was something else that already happened such as the car wreck you described. Otherwise, we'd have (1) fishing expeditions, which are horribly inefficient and alienate the people, and (2) de facto harassment. (Being repeatedly investigated for the same thing = being harassed.)

A much tamer thing that could be tried would be to run immigration status checks only for those people who're actually already arrested for something else. IIRC some states already do that.

by: david burress

07-22-2010 @ 8:41pm

I like Will Travers's post but that's not why I'm commenting. I'm a first time reader here and I love your code of conduct. I'd add just one thing: is there a bible verse on not wearing masks? I think people who want to be taken seriously should put their real reputation at stake when they write--by signing their real name.

David Burress
Lawrence KS

by: Ngchen

07-22-2010 @ 9:45pm

Ok, let's suppose that we're dealing with honest people here, who have every intention to not racially profile. Question: how would someone look like an illegal immigrant? Especially if we consider how there may be a bunch of recently naturalized citizens.

Race? (Nope - racial profiling.) Speech (e.g. speaking with an accent, and/or speaking Spanish)? (Then there's the pesky 1st amendment.) Manner of dress? (First amendment issues again.)

Interestingly, if we exclude all the things that would seem impermissible, the only things left would be behavior (as another poster wrote a while ago, things like lots of unrelated people crowding an overloaded van). But then such a net would be so narrow as to be nearly useless.

by: Ngchen

07-22-2010 @ 9:45pm

Ok, let's suppose that we're dealing with honest people here, who have every intention to not racially profile. Question: how would someone look like an illegal immigrant? Especially if we consider how there may be a bunch of recently naturalized citizens.

Race? (Nope - racial profiling.) Speech (e.g. speaking with an accent, and/or speaking Spanish)? (Then there's the pesky 1st amendment.) Manner of dress? (First amendment issues again.)

Interestingly, if we exclude all the things that would seem impermissible, the only things left would be behavior (as another poster wrote a while ago, things like lots of unrelated people crowding an overloaded van). But then such a net would be so narrow as to be nearly useless.

by: outragex

07-24-2010 @ 5:39am

One of the worst aspects of the law is that it makes undoc aliens afraid of police. The police need the cooperation and trust of everyone, even the undocumented, if they are to fight crimes that affect all of us and are much more serious than illegal immigration. Immigrants will be unwilling to report crimes, come forward as witnesses, etc. if they think the police will switch from their protector to their enemy. We all suffer when groups of people, citizens or not, mistrust the police and do not help them do their job. This makes the police officer's job of fighting crime harder. BTW-when people are arrested and booked their immigration status is checked already so this is completely different issue (at least in my state).

by: outragex

07-24-2010 @ 5:39am

One of the worst aspects of the law is that it makes undoc aliens afraid of police. The police need the cooperation and trust of everyone, even the undocumented, if they are to fight crimes that affect all of us and are much more serious than illegal immigration. Immigrants will be unwilling to report crimes, come forward as witnesses, etc. if they think the police will switch from their protector to their enemy. We all suffer when groups of people, citizens or not, mistrust the police and do not help them do their job. This makes the police officer's job of fighting crime harder. BTW-when people are arrested and booked their immigration status is checked already so this is completely different issue (at least in my state).

by: WaveTossed

07-22-2010 @ 9:55pm

Sigride wrote: "If I get rear-ended at a traffic light, and the driver can't produce any documents of any kind, something should be done."

What if it had been you had rear-ended the other driver? Or else what if the other driver did absolutely nothing? Should he/she be required to produce documents?

by: Ngchen

07-22-2010 @ 9:49pm

sigride wrote:
I don't get why this law is seen as so unjust. Why is it too much for a country to ask for legal papers?

Excellent questions. Having papers asked for is usually OK, if and only if there was something else that already happened such as the car wreck you described. Otherwise, we'd have (1) fishing expeditions, which are horribly inefficient and alienate the people, and (2) de facto harassment. (Being repeatedly investigated for the same thing = being harassed.)

A much tamer thing that could be tried would be to run immigration status checks only for those people who're actually already arrested for something else. IIRC some states already do that.

by: Ngchen

07-22-2010 @ 9:45pm

Ok, let's suppose that we're dealing with honest people here, who have every intention to not racially profile. Question: how would someone look like an illegal immigrant? Especially if we consider how there may be a bunch of recently naturalized citizens.

Race? (Nope - racial profiling.) Speech (e.g. speaking with an accent, and/or speaking Spanish)? (Then there's the pesky 1st amendment.) Manner of dress? (First amendment issues again.)

Interestingly, if we exclude all the things that would seem impermissible, the only things left would be behavior (as another poster wrote a while ago, things like lots of unrelated people crowding an overloaded van). But then such a net would be so narrow as to be nearly useless.

by: sigride

07-26-2010 @ 3:36pm

They're only asking for documents you should have anyway.

by: Palosaari

07-22-2010 @ 11:29pm

I think you missed a place where there has been unjust laws of late, where there has been oppression of the minority, repression and legal dictatorship. The disappearances of Arab American citizens and others of Arab descent under the Bush II administration was really rather heinous- and deserved civil disobedience as well.

by: Palosaari

07-22-2010 @ 11:29pm

I think you missed a place where there has been unjust laws of late, where there has been oppression of the minority, repression and legal dictatorship. The disappearances of Arab American citizens and others of Arab descent under the Bush II administration was really rather heinous- and deserved civil disobedience as well.

by: Palosaari

07-22-2010 @ 11:29pm

I think you missed a place where there has been unjust laws of late, where there has been oppression of the minority, repression and legal dictatorship. The disappearances of Arab American citizens and others of Arab descent under the Bush II administration was really rather heinous- and deserved civil disobedience as well.

by: Patricia

07-22-2010 @ 11:25pm

Actually, many of our laws are enforced differently for whites than they are for minorities, and the courts convict whites differently than they do minorities. Whites are let go for the same offenses that minorities are arrested for. "Driving while Black" in a white community results in many more stops and interrogations than "Driving while White" does in minority communities. Several studies have shown that when a white person commits the same crime, under the same circumstances, with the same previous history as a minority person, the white person overwhelmingly receives a significantly lighter sentence.

This law, despite language prohibiting profiling, is going to result in a vastly larger incidence of Hispanic American citizens being required to provide proof of citizenship than White American citizens are going to be under the exact same circumstances.

by: Patricia

07-22-2010 @ 11:25pm

Actually, many of our laws are enforced differently for whites than they are for minorities, and the courts convict whites differently than they do minorities. Whites are let go for the same offenses that minorities are arrested for. "Driving while Black" in a white community results in many more stops and interrogations than "Driving while White" does in minority communities. Several studies have shown that when a white person commits the same crime, under the same circumstances, with the same previous history as a minority person, the white person overwhelmingly receives a significantly lighter sentence.

This law, despite language prohibiting profiling, is going to result in a vastly larger incidence of Hispanic American citizens being required to provide proof of citizenship than White American citizens are going to be under the exact same circumstances.

by: sigride

07-22-2010 @ 11:15pm

Wavetossed,

I don't know what you're asking, but every driver in an accident needs to produce documents. I need to produce them too. If I'm stopped at a red light, I haven't done anything wrong either. In Georgia now, every driver's cell phone is immediately subpoenaed as well. While that could be seen as discrimnatory against teen drivers, I'm all for it as well.

by: Patricia

07-22-2010 @ 11:25pm

Actually, many of our laws are enforced differently for whites than they are for minorities, and the courts convict whites differently than they do minorities. Whites are let go for the same offenses that minorities are arrested for. "Driving while Black" in a white community results in many more stops and interrogations than "Driving while White" does in minority communities. Several studies have shown that when a white person commits the same crime, under the same circumstances, with the same previous history as a minority person, the white person overwhelmingly receives a significantly lighter sentence.

This law, despite language prohibiting profiling, is going to result in a vastly larger incidence of Hispanic American citizens being required to provide proof of citizenship than White American citizens are going to be under the exact same circumstances.

by: BuckeyeDon

07-22-2010 @ 10:37pm

Cardinal Mahony is the Roman Catholic Archbishop of Los Angeles. A cardinal in the Roman Catholic church is an elector--one who will help elect the next pope when it becomes necessary (and who, at least theoretically, could be elected pope himself). In order to be appointed as a cardinal, one already has to be a bishop or an archbishop. Archbishop Cardinal Mahony is both.

by: sigride

07-22-2010 @ 11:15pm

Wavetossed,

I don't know what you're asking, but every driver in an accident needs to produce documents. I need to produce them too. If I'm stopped at a red light, I haven't done anything wrong either. In Georgia now, every driver's cell phone is immediately subpoenaed as well. While that could be seen as discrimnatory against teen drivers, I'm all for it as well.

by: BuckeyeDon

07-22-2010 @ 10:30pm

Alberto, this comment is a red herring. Whether Cardinal Mahony is involved in the abuse scandal has nothing whatsoever to do with the issue at hand.

Please stick to the subject.

by: sigride

07-22-2010 @ 11:15pm

Wavetossed,

I don't know what you're asking, but every driver in an accident needs to produce documents. I need to produce them too. If I'm stopped at a red light, I haven't done anything wrong either. In Georgia now, every driver's cell phone is immediately subpoenaed as well. While that could be seen as discrimnatory against teen drivers, I'm all for it as well.

by: BuckeyeDon

07-22-2010 @ 10:37pm

Cardinal Mahony is the Roman Catholic Archbishop of Los Angeles. A cardinal in the Roman Catholic church is an elector--one who will help elect the next pope when it becomes necessary (and who, at least theoretically, could be elected pope himself). In order to be appointed as a cardinal, one already has to be a bishop or an archbishop. Archbishop Cardinal Mahony is both.

by: BuckeyeDon

07-22-2010 @ 10:37pm

Cardinal Mahony is the Roman Catholic Archbishop of Los Angeles. A cardinal in the Roman Catholic church is an elector--one who will help elect the next pope when it becomes necessary (and who, at least theoretically, could be elected pope himself). In order to be appointed as a cardinal, one already has to be a bishop or an archbishop. Archbishop Cardinal Mahony is both.

by: BuckeyeDon

07-22-2010 @ 10:30pm

Alberto, this comment is a red herring. Whether Cardinal Mahony is involved in the abuse scandal has nothing whatsoever to do with the issue at hand.

Please stick to the subject.

by: BuckeyeDon

07-22-2010 @ 10:30pm

Alberto, this comment is a red herring. Whether Cardinal Mahony is involved in the abuse scandal has nothing whatsoever to do with the issue at hand.

Please stick to the subject.

by: Palosaari

07-23-2010 @ 12:03am

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by: tinkouse

07-24-2010 @ 2:27pm

While the law does forbid racial profiling, it is nearly unenforceable without it. Police officers ask for drivers license, vehicle registration, and proof of insurance when they stop people or respond to an accident. I suggest that everybody who is pulled over, for whatever minor traffic infraction, ask, "Is that all?" and be sure to record the officer's name and badge number if he/she does not also demand a birth certificate or passport. If everyone does this, for every minor encounter with the police, we can make the point that the law cannot be enforced without racial profiling. Under this law, police officers must request "papers" of anyone they deem "suspicious", whatever that means. We should all be considered suspicious - or none of us.

by: tinkouse

07-24-2010 @ 2:27pm

While the law does forbid racial profiling, it is nearly unenforceable without it. Police officers ask for drivers license, vehicle registration, and proof of insurance when they stop people or respond to an accident. I suggest that everybody who is pulled over, for whatever minor traffic infraction, ask, "Is that all?" and be sure to record the officer's name and badge number if he/she does not also demand a birth certificate or passport. If everyone does this, for every minor encounter with the police, we can make the point that the law cannot be enforced without racial profiling. Under this law, police officers must request "papers" of anyone they deem "suspicious", whatever that means. We should all be considered suspicious - or none of us.

by: Palosaari

07-23-2010 @ 12:03am

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by: Palosaari

07-23-2010 @ 12:03am

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by: tinkouse

07-24-2010 @ 3:13pm

You are a perfect example of who will be harmed by this law. Even more than the people who reside in the U.S. illegally, people of Hispanic heritage, even those with lengthy histories as citizens, will be targeted and forced to produce evidence of that citizenship. I agree that until everybody is required to carry a birth certificate, no group should be required to "prove" citizenship any more than any other group.

by: tinkouse

07-24-2010 @ 3:13pm

You are a perfect example of who will be harmed by this law. Even more than the people who reside in the U.S. illegally, people of Hispanic heritage, even those with lengthy histories as citizens, will be targeted and forced to produce evidence of that citizenship. I agree that until everybody is required to carry a birth certificate, no group should be required to "prove" citizenship any more than any other group.

by: tinkouse

07-24-2010 @ 3:13pm

I agree that we have no dress code other than restrictions against public nudity. An unregistered vehicle could be in the hands of anyone, legal resident or not, and should be investigated as such.

by: tinkouse

07-24-2010 @ 3:13pm

I agree that we have no dress code other than restrictions against public nudity. An unregistered vehicle could be in the hands of anyone, legal resident or not, and should be investigated as such.

by: tinkouse

07-24-2010 @ 3:09pm

Undocumented people are not the only ones who are afraid of the police. People of Hispanic heritage, citizens or not, are intimidated by the actions of Joe Arpaio and his staff of police who storm through Hispanic neighborhoods in the guise of "crime suppression".

by: tinkouse

07-24-2010 @ 3:09pm

Undocumented people are not the only ones who are afraid of the police. People of Hispanic heritage, citizens or not, are intimidated by the actions of Joe Arpaio and his staff of police who storm through Hispanic neighborhoods in the guise of "crime suppression".

by: Matt

07-23-2010 @ 6:11am

Since Will said, "if we can put our heads together and strategize, I think we'll find that Arizona SB 1070 gives all of us the opportunity to figure out a creative, nonviolent, and effective way to break the law..." how about some ideas and suggestions on civil disobedience?
Or is the comment section merely a place for the disgruntled to argue against the author, and get in arguments with those who agree?

Here's one I thought of right after reading: for Latino/as in Arizona with citizenship but in solidarity with undocumented against the law, what about refusing to show an officer "papers"? Since the author mentioned that those with the most reason to resist have the most at stake, and may not take the risk, those who can afford to make a sacrifice of privilege can take it in solidarity. For others, direct civil disobedience might take the form of providing sanctuary and transport despite the law's outlawing of transporting and harboring -- Will mentioned the Fugitive Slave Act, and in direct civil disobedience to this unjust law was the Underground Railroad.

Has tax resistance been discussed?

Anybody else have anything creative? I don't live in Arizona (although I was born in Tucson and spent a lot of time there) so I don't know what things look like on the community organizing front, but the least I can do is offer productive ideas.

by: Patricia

07-27-2010 @ 2:38am

No, according to the Arizona law, they are not. SOME American citizens are going to be required to prove their citizenship. THE REST of the American citizens, are not.

I have never - EVER been asked to provide my birth certificate or other proof of citizenship at a traffic stop.

We do not require American citizens to carry proof of citizenship on their person. Any proposed legislation requiring us to do so would meet a solid wall of resistance from the vast majority of Americans, who would view this as an unreasonable breach of liberty.

I believe you are being quite dishonest in conflating driver's license (which is required of everyone to use the public roads), registration (ditto) and proof of insurance (ditto) with forcing some Americans to provide additional proof of their citizenship.

Are you doing this on purpose, or do you really not understand the difference?

by: Kolburt Schultz

07-23-2010 @ 10:50am

I think it is interesting that the author is somewhat salivating over this golden opportunity for civil disobedience. I'm not going to take a position on the law itself, either for or against, but what I do find odd is the excitement that the Left has always felt about being arrested. Jim Wallis (and many other Leftists) counts the number of times he's been arrested like a badge of honor. Since when did going to jail become the highest calling of a Christian? If someone really thinks this law is bad that is one thing, but using it as an excuse to prove your metal by being arrested seems like it is merely using the law as an excuse to gain more liberal brownie points.

by: Michael Moore

07-27-2010 @ 1:53pm

What do we think about the new program which fingerprints every single person who is arrested and automatically runs them through the national crimes registry? Its a federal program gradually being implemented and apparently is expected to be responsible for deporting more illegals than the Az law. I'm having a hard time not liking it because it focuses on felons.

by: Patricia

07-27-2010 @ 2:38am

No, according to the Arizona law, they are not. SOME American citizens are going to be required to prove their citizenship. THE REST of the American citizens, are not.

I have never - EVER been asked to provide my birth certificate or other proof of citizenship at a traffic stop.

We do not require American citizens to carry proof of citizenship on their person. Any proposed legislation requiring us to do so would meet a solid wall of resistance from the vast majority of Americans, who would view this as an unreasonable breach of liberty.

I believe you are being quite dishonest in conflating driver's license (which is required of everyone to use the public roads), registration (ditto) and proof of insurance (ditto) with forcing some Americans to provide additional proof of their citizenship.

Are you doing this on purpose, or do you really not understand the difference?

by: Patricia

07-27-2010 @ 2:38am

No, according to the Arizona law, they are not. SOME American citizens are going to be required to prove their citizenship. THE REST of the American citizens, are not.

I have never - EVER been asked to provide my birth certificate or other proof of citizenship at a traffic stop.

We do not require American citizens to carry proof of citizenship on their person. Any proposed legislation requiring us to do so would meet a solid wall of resistance from the vast majority of Americans, who would view this as an unreasonable breach of liberty.

I believe you are being quite dishonest in conflating driver's license (which is required of everyone to use the public roads), registration (ditto) and proof of insurance (ditto) with forcing some Americans to provide additional proof of their citizenship.

Are you doing this on purpose, or do you really not understand the difference?

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by: alberto83

07-22-2010 @ 4:22pm

Citing Cardinal Mahony is a gross mistake. Cardinaly Mahony was and is complicit in the sexual abuse scandal that has plagued the Catholic Church.

by: alberto83

07-22-2010 @ 4:22pm

Citing Cardinal Mahony is a gross mistake. Cardinaly Mahony was and is complicit in the sexual abuse scandal that has plagued the Catholic Church.

by: alberto83

07-22-2010 @ 4:22pm

Citing Cardinal Mahony is a gross mistake. Cardinaly Mahony was and is complicit in the sexual abuse scandal that has plagued the Catholic Church.

by: nick2010

07-22-2010 @ 4:25pm

Will,

This has been one of the best posts I've recently read on Sojourners. Great job!

by: nick2010

07-22-2010 @ 4:25pm

Will,

This has been one of the best posts I've recently read on Sojourners. Great job!

by: nick2010

07-22-2010 @ 4:25pm

Will,

This has been one of the best posts I've recently read on Sojourners. Great job!

by: nuclearferret

07-22-2010 @ 5:33pm

Even when ICE has people turn themselves in, they are incapable of enforcing immigration law. The author's hand-wringing is based on the assumption that Arizona police might enforce US law...which remains to be seen considering decades of the Feds unwillingness to enforce the law as it relates to employers or illegal aliens.

by: nuclearferret

07-22-2010 @ 5:33pm

Even when ICE has people turn themselves in, they are incapable of enforcing immigration law. The author's hand-wringing is based on the assumption that Arizona police might enforce US law...which remains to be seen considering decades of the Feds unwillingness to enforce the law as it relates to employers or illegal aliens.

by: nuclearferret

07-22-2010 @ 5:33pm

Even when ICE has people turn themselves in, they are incapable of enforcing immigration law. The author's hand-wringing is based on the assumption that Arizona police might enforce US law...which remains to be seen considering decades of the Feds unwillingness to enforce the law as it relates to employers or illegal aliens.

by: rustys1

07-22-2010 @ 6:45pm

Will,

Have you read the law? The federal immigration statue omits any language against profiling and Arizona's SB1070 explicitly prohibits the use of racial profiling. It seems to me that the Arizona law is a step in the right direction to end profiling. Actually, this law can be used to crack down on whatever small percentage of the Arizona police force that might abuse their power in a racist manner (which they can do now using any statue, and should be prosecuted for it).

Seriously, read the bill, SB1070 is a great tool against racism.

by: rustys1

07-22-2010 @ 6:45pm

Will,

Have you read the law? The federal immigration statue omits any language against profiling and Arizona's SB1070 explicitly prohibits the use of racial profiling. It seems to me that the Arizona law is a step in the right direction to end profiling. Actually, this law can be used to crack down on whatever small percentage of the Arizona police force that might abuse their power in a racist manner (which they can do now using any statue, and should be prosecuted for it).

Seriously, read the bill, SB1070 is a great tool against racism.

by: rustys1

07-22-2010 @ 6:45pm

Will,

Have you read the law? The federal immigration statue omits any language against profiling and Arizona's SB1070 explicitly prohibits the use of racial profiling. It seems to me that the Arizona law is a step in the right direction to end profiling. Actually, this law can be used to crack down on whatever small percentage of the Arizona police force that might abuse their power in a racist manner (which they can do now using any statue, and should be prosecuted for it).

Seriously, read the bill, SB1070 is a great tool against racism.

by: castlebc

07-22-2010 @ 7:36pm

I've been imagining going to Arizona disguised as someone who could might be an illegal alien, but not hispanic--other groups would make the point better - Russian? French? English? Austrialian?

by: castlebc

07-22-2010 @ 7:36pm

I've been imagining going to Arizona disguised as someone who could might be an illegal alien, but not hispanic--other groups would make the point better - Russian? French? English? Austrialian?

by: castlebc

07-22-2010 @ 7:36pm

I've been imagining going to Arizona disguised as someone who could might be an illegal alien, but not hispanic--other groups would make the point better - Russian? French? English? Austrialian?

by: jesse3

07-22-2010 @ 7:40pm

I had to laugh a little when I read the title of the article ("A rare opportunity for direct civil disobedience") and then the following sentence: "While it's difficult for me to speculate as to exactly how this unjust law should best be disobeyed..."

Well...is the opportunity there or isn't it??

by: jesse3

07-22-2010 @ 7:40pm

I had to laugh a little when I read the title of the article ("A rare opportunity for direct civil disobedience") and then the following sentence: "While it's difficult for me to speculate as to exactly how this unjust law should best be disobeyed..."

Well...is the opportunity there or isn't it??

by: jesse3

07-22-2010 @ 7:40pm

I had to laugh a little when I read the title of the article ("A rare opportunity for direct civil disobedience") and then the following sentence: "While it's difficult for me to speculate as to exactly how this unjust law should best be disobeyed..."

Well...is the opportunity there or isn't it??

by: Telamon

07-22-2010 @ 7:59pm

Cardinal Mahoney is a Cardinal, not an Archbishop as stated in the article. Please fix. Thanks. (Also, I found this article to be very thoughtful and well written).

by: Telamon

07-22-2010 @ 7:59pm

Cardinal Mahoney is a Cardinal, not an Archbishop as stated in the article. Please fix. Thanks. (Also, I found this article to be very thoughtful and well written).

by: Telamon

07-22-2010 @ 7:59pm

Cardinal Mahoney is a Cardinal, not an Archbishop as stated in the article. Please fix. Thanks. (Also, I found this article to be very thoughtful and well written).

by: WaveTossed

07-22-2010 @ 8:20pm

"Have you read the law? The federal immigration statue omits any language against profiling and Arizona's SB1070 explicitly prohibits the use of racial profiling."

Yep. And the profiling goes on even when laws supposedly prohibit profiling.

Back in the middle 1960s, there were laws that were supposed to be applied equally to Whites or Blacks. However, in practive, Blacks were arrested (and sent to prison) far more than Whites.

This current law, by its very nature, is a set-up for profiling; Hispanics will be arrested far more often than non-Hispanics.

by: WaveTossed

07-22-2010 @ 8:20pm

"Have you read the law? The federal immigration statue omits any language against profiling and Arizona's SB1070 explicitly prohibits the use of racial profiling."

Yep. And the profiling goes on even when laws supposedly prohibit profiling.

Back in the middle 1960s, there were laws that were supposed to be applied equally to Whites or Blacks. However, in practive, Blacks were arrested (and sent to prison) far more than Whites.

This current law, by its very nature, is a set-up for profiling; Hispanics will be arrested far more often than non-Hispanics.

by: WaveTossed

07-22-2010 @ 8:20pm

"Have you read the law? The federal immigration statue omits any language against profiling and Arizona's SB1070 explicitly prohibits the use of racial profiling."

Yep. And the profiling goes on even when laws supposedly prohibit profiling.

Back in the middle 1960s, there were laws that were supposed to be applied equally to Whites or Blacks. However, in practive, Blacks were arrested (and sent to prison) far more than Whites.

This current law, by its very nature, is a set-up for profiling; Hispanics will be arrested far more often than non-Hispanics.

by: david burress

07-22-2010 @ 8:41pm

I like Will Travers's post but that's not why I'm commenting. I'm a first time reader here and I love your code of conduct. I'd add just one thing: is there a bible verse on not wearing masks? I think people who want to be taken seriously should put their real reputation at stake when they write--by signing their real name.

David Burress
Lawrence KS

by: david burress

07-22-2010 @ 8:41pm

I like Will Travers's post but that's not why I'm commenting. I'm a first time reader here and I love your code of conduct. I'd add just one thing: is there a bible verse on not wearing masks? I think people who want to be taken seriously should put their real reputation at stake when they write--by signing their real name.

David Burress
Lawrence KS

by: david burress

07-22-2010 @ 8:41pm

I like Will Travers's post but that's not why I'm commenting. I'm a first time reader here and I love your code of conduct. I'd add just one thing: is there a bible verse on not wearing masks? I think people who want to be taken seriously should put their real reputation at stake when they write--by signing their real name.

David Burress
Lawrence KS

by: pcnot4me

07-22-2010 @ 8:50pm

An entire article comparing law enforcement in AZ to Nazi's. And then you mention 3 illegals who were arrested at Sen McCain's office and thanfully released the next day. I wonder why the racist, Nazi-like law enforcement didn't have them deported liked they could have?

Oh...and I would suggest that you have a sit in at one of our national monuments in Az that has been closed because it's unsafe because of the drug and human trafficking going on from "undocumented immigrants".

by: pcnot4me

07-22-2010 @ 8:50pm

An entire article comparing law enforcement in AZ to Nazi's. And then you mention 3 illegals who were arrested at Sen McCain's office and thanfully released the next day. I wonder why the racist, Nazi-like law enforcement didn't have them deported liked they could have?

Oh...and I would suggest that you have a sit in at one of our national monuments in Az that has been closed because it's unsafe because of the drug and human trafficking going on from "undocumented immigrants".

by: pcnot4me

07-22-2010 @ 8:50pm

An entire article comparing law enforcement in AZ to Nazi's. And then you mention 3 illegals who were arrested at Sen McCain's office and thanfully released the next day. I wonder why the racist, Nazi-like law enforcement didn't have them deported liked they could have?

Oh...and I would suggest that you have a sit in at one of our national monuments in Az that has been closed because it's unsafe because of the drug and human trafficking going on from "undocumented immigrants".

by: sigride

07-22-2010 @ 9:12pm

I don't get why this law is seen as so unjust. Why is it too much for a country to ask for legal papers? Why hasn't this been happening all along?

If I get rear-ended at a traffic light, and the driver can't produce any documents of any kind, something should be done. I have a right to know who hit me and how I can be reimbursed for the damages. If that driver were drunk, he'd be arrested immediately.

We do need to protect US citizens from the violence in Juarez that is growing at an alarming rate, and will inevitably spread across the border.

I do not wish for racial profiling, but perhaps the solution is to write a law to protect folks against that rather than throw out the baby with the bath water.

by: sigride

07-22-2010 @ 9:12pm

I don't get why this law is seen as so unjust. Why is it too much for a country to ask for legal papers? Why hasn't this been happening all along?

If I get rear-ended at a traffic light, and the driver can't produce any documents of any kind, something should be done. I have a right to know who hit me and how I can be reimbursed for the damages. If that driver were drunk, he'd be arrested immediately.

We do need to protect US citizens from the violence in Juarez that is growing at an alarming rate, and will inevitably spread across the border.

I do not wish for racial profiling, but perhaps the solution is to write a law to protect folks against that rather than throw out the baby with the bath water.

by: sigride

07-22-2010 @ 9:12pm

I don't get why this law is seen as so unjust. Why is it too much for a country to ask for legal papers? Why hasn't this been happening all along?

If I get rear-ended at a traffic light, and the driver can't produce any documents of any kind, something should be done. I have a right to know who hit me and how I can be reimbursed for the damages. If that driver were drunk, he'd be arrested immediately.

We do need to protect US citizens from the violence in Juarez that is growing at an alarming rate, and will inevitably spread across the border.

I do not wish for racial profiling, but perhaps the solution is to write a law to protect folks against that rather than throw out the baby with the bath water.

by: Ngchen

07-22-2010 @ 9:45pm

Ok, let's suppose that we're dealing with honest people here, who have every intention to not racially profile. Question: how would someone look like an illegal immigrant? Especially if we consider how there may be a bunch of recently naturalized citizens.

Race? (Nope - racial profiling.) Speech (e.g. speaking with an accent, and/or speaking Spanish)? (Then there's the pesky 1st amendment.) Manner of dress? (First amendment issues again.)

Interestingly, if we exclude all the things that would seem impermissible, the only things left would be behavior (as another poster wrote a while ago, things like lots of unrelated people crowding an overloaded van). But then such a net would be so narrow as to be nearly useless.

by: Ngchen

07-22-2010 @ 9:45pm

Ok, let's suppose that we're dealing with honest people here, who have every intention to not racially profile. Question: how would someone look like an illegal immigrant? Especially if we consider how there may be a bunch of recently naturalized citizens.

Race? (Nope - racial profiling.) Speech (e.g. speaking with an accent, and/or speaking Spanish)? (Then there's the pesky 1st amendment.) Manner of dress? (First amendment issues again.)

Interestingly, if we exclude all the things that would seem impermissible, the only things left would be behavior (as another poster wrote a while ago, things like lots of unrelated people crowding an overloaded van). But then such a net would be so narrow as to be nearly useless.

by: Ngchen

07-22-2010 @ 9:45pm

Ok, let's suppose that we're dealing with honest people here, who have every intention to not racially profile. Question: how would someone look like an illegal immigrant? Especially if we consider how there may be a bunch of recently naturalized citizens.

Race? (Nope - racial profiling.) Speech (e.g. speaking with an accent, and/or speaking Spanish)? (Then there's the pesky 1st amendment.) Manner of dress? (First amendment issues again.)

Interestingly, if we exclude all the things that would seem impermissible, the only things left would be behavior (as another poster wrote a while ago, things like lots of unrelated people crowding an overloaded van). But then such a net would be so narrow as to be nearly useless.

by: Ngchen

07-22-2010 @ 9:49pm

sigride wrote:
I don't get why this law is seen as so unjust. Why is it too much for a country to ask for legal papers?

Excellent questions. Having papers asked for is usually OK, if and only if there was something else that already happened such as the car wreck you described. Otherwise, we'd have (1) fishing expeditions, which are horribly inefficient and alienate the people, and (2) de facto harassment. (Being repeatedly investigated for the same thing = being harassed.)

A much tamer thing that could be tried would be to run immigration status checks only for those people who're actually already arrested for something else. IIRC some states already do that.

by: Ngchen

07-22-2010 @ 9:49pm

sigride wrote:
I don't get why this law is seen as so unjust. Why is it too much for a country to ask for legal papers?

Excellent questions. Having papers asked for is usually OK, if and only if there was something else that already happened such as the car wreck you described. Otherwise, we'd have (1) fishing expeditions, which are horribly inefficient and alienate the people, and (2) de facto harassment. (Being repeatedly investigated for the same thing = being harassed.)

A much tamer thing that could be tried would be to run immigration status checks only for those people who're actually already arrested for something else. IIRC some states already do that.

by: Ngchen

07-22-2010 @ 9:49pm

sigride wrote:
I don't get why this law is seen as so unjust. Why is it too much for a country to ask for legal papers?

Excellent questions. Having papers asked for is usually OK, if and only if there was something else that already happened such as the car wreck you described. Otherwise, we'd have (1) fishing expeditions, which are horribly inefficient and alienate the people, and (2) de facto harassment. (Being repeatedly investigated for the same thing = being harassed.)

A much tamer thing that could be tried would be to run immigration status checks only for those people who're actually already arrested for something else. IIRC some states already do that.

by: WaveTossed

07-22-2010 @ 9:55pm

Sigride wrote: "If I get rear-ended at a traffic light, and the driver can't produce any documents of any kind, something should be done."

What if it had been you had rear-ended the other driver? Or else what if the other driver did absolutely nothing? Should he/she be required to produce documents?

by: WaveTossed

07-22-2010 @ 9:55pm

Sigride wrote: "If I get rear-ended at a traffic light, and the driver can't produce any documents of any kind, something should be done."

What if it had been you had rear-ended the other driver? Or else what if the other driver did absolutely nothing? Should he/she be required to produce documents?

by: WaveTossed

07-22-2010 @ 9:55pm

Sigride wrote: "If I get rear-ended at a traffic light, and the driver can't produce any documents of any kind, something should be done."

What if it had been you had rear-ended the other driver? Or else what if the other driver did absolutely nothing? Should he/she be required to produce documents?

by: BuckeyeDon

07-22-2010 @ 10:30pm

Alberto, this comment is a red herring. Whether Cardinal Mahony is involved in the abuse scandal has nothing whatsoever to do with the issue at hand.

Please stick to the subject.

by: BuckeyeDon

07-22-2010 @ 10:30pm

Alberto, this comment is a red herring. Whether Cardinal Mahony is involved in the abuse scandal has nothing whatsoever to do with the issue at hand.

Please stick to the subject.

by: BuckeyeDon

07-22-2010 @ 10:30pm

Alberto, this comment is a red herring. Whether Cardinal Mahony is involved in the abuse scandal has nothing whatsoever to do with the issue at hand.

Please stick to the subject.

by: BuckeyeDon

07-22-2010 @ 10:37pm

Cardinal Mahony is the Roman Catholic Archbishop of Los Angeles. A cardinal in the Roman Catholic church is an elector--one who will help elect the next pope when it becomes necessary (and who, at least theoretically, could be elected pope himself). In order to be appointed as a cardinal, one already has to be a bishop or an archbishop. Archbishop Cardinal Mahony is both.

by: BuckeyeDon

07-22-2010 @ 10:37pm

Cardinal Mahony is the Roman Catholic Archbishop of Los Angeles. A cardinal in the Roman Catholic church is an elector--one who will help elect the next pope when it becomes necessary (and who, at least theoretically, could be elected pope himself). In order to be appointed as a cardinal, one already has to be a bishop or an archbishop. Archbishop Cardinal Mahony is both.

by: BuckeyeDon

07-22-2010 @ 10:37pm

Cardinal Mahony is the Roman Catholic Archbishop of Los Angeles. A cardinal in the Roman Catholic church is an elector--one who will help elect the next pope when it becomes necessary (and who, at least theoretically, could be elected pope himself). In order to be appointed as a cardinal, one already has to be a bishop or an archbishop. Archbishop Cardinal Mahony is both.

by: sigride

07-22-2010 @ 11:15pm

Wavetossed,

I don't know what you're asking, but every driver in an accident needs to produce documents. I need to produce them too. If I'm stopped at a red light, I haven't done anything wrong either. In Georgia now, every driver's cell phone is immediately subpoenaed as well. While that could be seen as discrimnatory against teen drivers, I'm all for it as well.

by: sigride

07-22-2010 @ 11:15pm

Wavetossed,

I don't know what you're asking, but every driver in an accident needs to produce documents. I need to produce them too. If I'm stopped at a red light, I haven't done anything wrong either. In Georgia now, every driver's cell phone is immediately subpoenaed as well. While that could be seen as discrimnatory against teen drivers, I'm all for it as well.