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Supporting Churches and Synagogues for Social Justice

This spring, we saw an opportunity to join the efforts of Rev. Jim Wallis and Sojourners to stand up to the Tea Party leaders' denigration of people of faith who put social justice and the common good at the center of their vocation. When Glenn Beck urged his millions of viewers to "turn in their pastors" if their congregations promoted social justice, we at Jewish Funds for Justice decided enough was enough.

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For 25 years, we have supported churches and synagogues as they work across lines of race and faith to promote the common good and bring social justice to their communities. This work brought universal health care to Massachusetts and more than 300 new green jobs to residents in Oakland, California -- and that's just the tip of the iceberg.

Glenn Beck, on the other hand, doesn't offer any solutions. He disdains social justice and the common good; in fact, he claims they're steps toward fascism. Earlier this summer, Mr. Beck addressed a column I wrote that asserted that "to put God first is to put humankind first, and to put humankind first is to put the common good first." Beck's response? "This leads to death camps. A Jew, of all people, should know that. This is exactly the kind of talk that led to the death camps in Germany."

In the wake of this direct attack, I was humbled by the outpouring of support we received. As a way to thank people for their support, and to lift up all the voices who stood with us, we took out a full two-page ad spread in last week's Forward.

It was signed by supporters of social justice and the common good: hundreds of rabbis, reverends, and people of good will who share our belief that we do not have the luxury of Beck's ignorance. At nearly 250 names, our ad could fit only a small portion of those who spoke out to reject the rhetoric of Glenn Beck. Rev. Wallis shared this sentiment with us:

Glenn Beck should join America's community of faith in a conversation about the common good and social justice instead of his destructive path of unfounded accusations and attacks. I applaud Simon Greer as CEO and President of Jewish Funds for Justice for providing a strong voice of honesty and reason against such divisiveness.

Beck said that a commitment to the common good led to the death camps of Nazi Germany. This language is not only irresponsible but dangerous. It's offensive to the memories of the 6 million people who were murdered in those camps. Beck clearly needs an education in what the Jewish and Christian traditions teach not to mention, specifically, the tenets of his own Mormon Church.

It was gratifying to receive support from such a broad spectrum of faith and social change leaders. We believe it sends an important message when we all stand together for our common beliefs, and we never let our friends face these kinds of attacks alone.

It's up to those of us who care about real solutions to build a powerful alternative to the Tea Party. We need a broad coalition that can forge innovative solutions to the most pressing problems facing our nation, one predicated on economic opportunity and dedicated to social justice. We at Jewish Funds for Justice are proud to do this work with a broad coalition of faith and social justice partners.

Simon Greer is president and CEO of Jewish Funds for Justice.

Sojourners relies on the support of readers like you to sustain our message and ministry.

by: BlueDeacon

08-03-2010 @ 4:42pm

I watch and listen from many sides. Since we are concentrating on Mr. Beck here, I see him showing information with facts. And, I'm old enough to remember many of those facts he's digging out.

And where does he get his information? We already know that it's utterly slanted, distorted or, in some cases, outright false.

by: Macho

08-23-2010 @ 6:22pm

Social justice is not Christian. It comes from Karl Marx, who was atheist.

by: Macho

08-23-2010 @ 6:22pm

Social justice is not Christian. It comes from Karl Marx, who was atheist.

by: amazonbaby

08-03-2010 @ 4:03am

Why don't you assume that position, Patricia.

I watch and listen from many sides. Since we are concentrating on Mr. Beck here, I see him showing information with facts. And, I'm old enough to remember many of those facts he's digging out.

On the other hand, I'm open to hearing all the reality, facts, objective documentation that you put together.

I'm not saying that I agree with everything he says. But when I can remember much of what he is talking about....and then see the end results and how it has affected my own life....well, you get the idea.

Just who should we listen to?

And, what are the ideas to the Tea Party? What's the goals? What's the structures? Who, what????

by: amazonbaby

08-03-2010 @ 4:03am

Why don't you assume that position, Patricia.

I watch and listen from many sides. Since we are concentrating on Mr. Beck here, I see him showing information with facts. And, I'm old enough to remember many of those facts he's digging out.

On the other hand, I'm open to hearing all the reality, facts, objective documentation that you put together.

I'm not saying that I agree with everything he says. But when I can remember much of what he is talking about....and then see the end results and how it has affected my own life....well, you get the idea.

Just who should we listen to?

And, what are the ideas to the Tea Party? What's the goals? What's the structures? Who, what????

by: BlueDeacon

07-27-2010 @ 5:50pm

Please -- no more "Chicken Little" forecasting. Conservatives have made those kind of charges for the past 30 years and not one has come true. NOT ONE!

by: pcnot4me

07-27-2010 @ 5:48pm

"Glenn Beck should join America's community of faith in a conversation about the common good and social justice instead of his destructive path of unfounded accusations and attacks."

How do you classify your unfounded accusations and attacks of the tea party?

And nobody is against "common good". What we are against if YOUR definition of "common good".

Common is good is not:
1. Cap and Trade legislation that will skyrocket everyone's energy costs. Is the common good $10 per gallon gas and electric bills so high that most people can't even run their air conditioning? No matter how hot it is.
2. Runaway deficits with the biggest spending President and Congress in our history and desire to slow that down.
3. Tax increases for all either in direct taxes or indirect "common good" taxes that are buried in the health bill
4. Major legislation (I.E. Heath and Financial bills) that those who voted on it didn't even read.
5. The government takeover of the auto,financial,and healthcare industries.

That is not common good. You can package it however you want. But this regime is destroying America. November can't come soon enough.

by: sandman09

07-27-2010 @ 6:59pm

Can you tell me what is included in your definition of the common good?

by: sandman09

07-27-2010 @ 6:56pm

can you tell me what is included in your definition of the common good?

by: Patricia

07-27-2010 @ 6:18pm

That is not the common good, but none of that is true, either - just more dishonest fear-mongering from those on the "right". The hypocracy is almost as laughable as the ignorance of those who believe the points you list are true. Truthy, yes - true, not even close.

by: PhoobarID

07-27-2010 @ 7:26pm

Let's look at your five points and the results you seem so scared of.

1. Cap and Trade legislation that will skyrocket everyone's energy costs. Maybe it will do away with driving/buying vehicles/items which mean destroying the planet. No one needs an SUV or so many items of plastic (made of oil). This being the case...it might make the oil companies think about the pollution they expel that they don't now. In addition...I don't think you have a starship in orbit to take us to another planet to ravage like we have this one.

2. Runaway deficits with the biggest spending President and Congress in our history and desire to slow that down. Taxes will need to be increased. There is no way around it. You don't want to pay them...but heaven forbid that your SS/Medicare is decreased or eliminated because of you not wanting to pay your fair share. In addition...it was the previous administration which squandered away the budget surplus. In addition...Obama never told us a lie about going into Iraq to look for WMD's...rather than attempt to work toward peace.

3. Tax increases for all either in direct taxes or indirect "common good" taxes that are buried in the health bill. Several figures have come out saying that the health care bill will save over $100 billion dollars. Every time I hear anyone talk about not wanting to pay for their share for this bill...it comes back to being selfish and not caring what happens to your fellow man.

4. Major legislation (I.E. Heath and Financial bills) that those who voted on it didn't even read. Same thing happened with the "Patriot Act". Look at where that's gotten us. As for not reading it...you are correct...especially since the lobbyists and influence peddlers have all ready gone over the bill with the legislator to tell him how they want him to vote.

5. The government takeover of the auto,financial,and healthcare industries. Healthcare = VA/Medicare/Medicaid. Financial = Both Mae's/VA Bill/Student Loans and Grants. Auto = Hummer/Fuel and Fluid Reserves.

Much of what you're talking about usually am/will directly help you. If you don't like these entitlements...make sure you don't take or pay back your SS/Medicare. If you got your home through a government loan...pay back whatever you have taken from them. You're causing this as much as anyone else...but chances are you will defend these programs like crazy since you are benefiting from them. If not...make sure you never use them. Heaven forbid you do anything which makes your rhetoric ring hollow/false.

by: Stein

07-27-2010 @ 7:20pm

So what, specifically, is in the common good?

Can we define it better, or is it just something we know when we see it?

Social Justice is part of the common good.

Legal Justice ("and justice for all") is part of the common good that is all too often missing despite constitutional guarantees.

Others?

by: Ngchen

07-27-2010 @ 7:13pm

Can you please not engage in straw-men attacks? I (we?) welcome honest debate, but it's next to impossible when people exaggerate and distort.

Speaking of which, I remember how Donny used to paint WAY too broadly with his brush, and ultimately either left or got banned.

by: pcnot4me

07-27-2010 @ 8:58pm

"Maybe it will do away with driving/buying vehicles"

Thanks for making my point for me. Personally I want/need to have a vehicle.

by: pcnot4me

07-27-2010 @ 8:56pm

Sorry Blue, but much of what I listed has already taken place in the last 18 months and the rest of it Obama wants and is planning for.

by: BlueDeacon

07-27-2010 @ 5:50pm

Please -- no more "Chicken Little" forecasting. Conservatives have made those kind of charges for the past 30 years and not one has come true. NOT ONE!

by: Stein

07-27-2010 @ 8:49pm

Folks, can we stop responding to attempts to hijack our discussion.

How can we "build a powerful alternative to the Tea Party"?

How can we articulate what (or who) we are FOR, and 'why', rather than just mimicing everyone across the political spectrum that mostly just stands against things?

by: BlueDeacon

07-27-2010 @ 5:50pm

Please -- no more "Chicken Little" forecasting. Conservatives have made those kind of charges for the past 30 years and not one has come true. NOT ONE!

by: pcnot4me

07-27-2010 @ 5:48pm

"Glenn Beck should join America's community of faith in a conversation about the common good and social justice instead of his destructive path of unfounded accusations and attacks."

How do you classify your unfounded accusations and attacks of the tea party?

And nobody is against "common good". What we are against if YOUR definition of "common good".

Common is good is not:
1. Cap and Trade legislation that will skyrocket everyone's energy costs. Is the common good $10 per gallon gas and electric bills so high that most people can't even run their air conditioning? No matter how hot it is.
2. Runaway deficits with the biggest spending President and Congress in our history and desire to slow that down.
3. Tax increases for all either in direct taxes or indirect "common good" taxes that are buried in the health bill
4. Major legislation (I.E. Heath and Financial bills) that those who voted on it didn't even read.
5. The government takeover of the auto,financial,and healthcare industries.

That is not common good. You can package it however you want. But this regime is destroying America. November can't come soon enough.

by: pcnot4me

07-27-2010 @ 5:48pm

"Glenn Beck should join America's community of faith in a conversation about the common good and social justice instead of his destructive path of unfounded accusations and attacks."

How do you classify your unfounded accusations and attacks of the tea party?

And nobody is against "common good". What we are against if YOUR definition of "common good".

Common is good is not:
1. Cap and Trade legislation that will skyrocket everyone's energy costs. Is the common good $10 per gallon gas and electric bills so high that most people can't even run their air conditioning? No matter how hot it is.
2. Runaway deficits with the biggest spending President and Congress in our history and desire to slow that down.
3. Tax increases for all either in direct taxes or indirect "common good" taxes that are buried in the health bill
4. Major legislation (I.E. Heath and Financial bills) that those who voted on it didn't even read.
5. The government takeover of the auto,financial,and healthcare industries.

That is not common good. You can package it however you want. But this regime is destroying America. November can't come soon enough.

by: Kolburt Schultz

07-27-2010 @ 9:50pm

Am I the only one getting tired of this constant obsession with Glenn Beck?

by: sandman09

07-27-2010 @ 6:59pm

Can you tell me what is included in your definition of the common good?

by: sandman09

07-27-2010 @ 6:59pm

Can you tell me what is included in your definition of the common good?

by: sandman09

07-27-2010 @ 6:56pm

can you tell me what is included in your definition of the common good?

by: Patricia

07-27-2010 @ 10:38pm

It's kind of a fine line for me...on one hand, I could never hear his name mentioned again in this lifetime and be perfectly happy. On the other though, he is such a liar and distorter, and his audience is so huge, that I believe he needs to be constantly challenged and called out when he engages in his deceptions. Most of his minions probably won't pay attention - reality, facts, objective documentation, etc hold no interest for them - but there are some, I am sure, who, when presented with the truth, recognize it and move away from the fog of incoherent rage he flogs day after day.

I think he's one of those cases that won't go away if we ignore him, but giving too much attention to him suits his ragifying needs just fine.

I guess I'd rather hear too much about him than allow him an uncontested space to spin his lies and spread his poisonous influence.

Maybe we can just have one, ongoing, constantly updated thread detailing his latest distortions and deceptions...the list would get pretty long pretty quick :)!

by: sandman09

07-27-2010 @ 6:56pm

can you tell me what is included in your definition of the common good?

by: Patricia

07-27-2010 @ 6:18pm

That is not the common good, but none of that is true, either - just more dishonest fear-mongering from those on the "right". The hypocracy is almost as laughable as the ignorance of those who believe the points you list are true. Truthy, yes - true, not even close.

by: Patricia

07-27-2010 @ 6:18pm

That is not the common good, but none of that is true, either - just more dishonest fear-mongering from those on the "right". The hypocracy is almost as laughable as the ignorance of those who believe the points you list are true. Truthy, yes - true, not even close.

by: PASTOR JEFF

07-29-2010 @ 3:23am

That is why I call them false prophets, Deac.

by: BlueDeacon

07-27-2010 @ 11:08pm

I told you -- I don't want to hear it.

by: PASTOR JEFF

07-29-2010 @ 3:23am

That is why I call them false prophets, Deac.

by: PhoobarID

07-27-2010 @ 7:26pm

Let's look at your five points and the results you seem so scared of.

1. Cap and Trade legislation that will skyrocket everyone's energy costs. Maybe it will do away with driving/buying vehicles/items which mean destroying the planet. No one needs an SUV or so many items of plastic (made of oil). This being the case...it might make the oil companies think about the pollution they expel that they don't now. In addition...I don't think you have a starship in orbit to take us to another planet to ravage like we have this one.

2. Runaway deficits with the biggest spending President and Congress in our history and desire to slow that down. Taxes will need to be increased. There is no way around it. You don't want to pay them...but heaven forbid that your SS/Medicare is decreased or eliminated because of you not wanting to pay your fair share. In addition...it was the previous administration which squandered away the budget surplus. In addition...Obama never told us a lie about going into Iraq to look for WMD's...rather than attempt to work toward peace.

3. Tax increases for all either in direct taxes or indirect "common good" taxes that are buried in the health bill. Several figures have come out saying that the health care bill will save over $100 billion dollars. Every time I hear anyone talk about not wanting to pay for their share for this bill...it comes back to being selfish and not caring what happens to your fellow man.

4. Major legislation (I.E. Heath and Financial bills) that those who voted on it didn't even read. Same thing happened with the "Patriot Act". Look at where that's gotten us. As for not reading it...you are correct...especially since the lobbyists and influence peddlers have all ready gone over the bill with the legislator to tell him how they want him to vote.

5. The government takeover of the auto,financial,and healthcare industries. Healthcare = VA/Medicare/Medicaid. Financial = Both Mae's/VA Bill/Student Loans and Grants. Auto = Hummer/Fuel and Fluid Reserves.

Much of what you're talking about usually am/will directly help you. If you don't like these entitlements...make sure you don't take or pay back your SS/Medicare. If you got your home through a government loan...pay back whatever you have taken from them. You're causing this as much as anyone else...but chances are you will defend these programs like crazy since you are benefiting from them. If not...make sure you never use them. Heaven forbid you do anything which makes your rhetoric ring hollow/false.

by: Stein

07-27-2010 @ 7:20pm

So what, specifically, is in the common good?

Can we define it better, or is it just something we know when we see it?

Social Justice is part of the common good.

Legal Justice ("and justice for all") is part of the common good that is all too often missing despite constitutional guarantees.

Others?

by: Ngchen

07-27-2010 @ 7:13pm

Can you please not engage in straw-men attacks? I (we?) welcome honest debate, but it's next to impossible when people exaggerate and distort.

Speaking of which, I remember how Donny used to paint WAY too broadly with his brush, and ultimately either left or got banned.

by: Ngchen

07-27-2010 @ 7:13pm

Can you please not engage in straw-men attacks? I (we?) welcome honest debate, but it's next to impossible when people exaggerate and distort.

Speaking of which, I remember how Donny used to paint WAY too broadly with his brush, and ultimately either left or got banned.

by: foobar058

07-27-2010 @ 11:58pm

1. Cap and Trade legislation that will skyrocket everyone's energy costs. No one needs an SUV or so many items of plastic...

The response doesn't refute the claim - cap 'n trade *will* massively increase energy costs (it's *designed* to do so as even Obama admits). President Obama agrees #1 is true.

"No one needs" --- just as an aside, *who* gets to decide who needs what? Will a committee be formed to ration out various items? Tell you what car to drive? How far? When? Do you have a plan to implement a "who needs what" system? If so, could you explain your vision for how we'll make sure nobody gets more than what they "need"?

2. Runaway deficits with the biggest spending President and Congress in our history and desire to slow that down....Obama never told us a lie about going into Iraq to look for WMD's...

A classic Non sequitur --- Iraq has nothing to do with Obama's deficits, which *are* the largest on record. Two wrongs don't make a right; someone's mistake can't justify another person's error.

#2 is true (biggest spending and deficits), whether they're "runaway" depends on the person.

In addition...it was the previous administration which squandered away the budget surplus.

There was no budget surplus, if you're referring to the Clinton years. The country borrowed more money and increased the debt each year Clinton was in office. If you're interested, check out the Treasury Department's fiscal year US debt data and you'll notice it increased every year (increased fiscal yearly debt = deficit spending).

3. Tax increases for all ... buried in the health bill.Every time I hear anyone talk about not wanting to pay for their share for this bill...it comes back to being selfish and not caring what happens to your fellow man.

The healthcare bill raises taxes on sick people. If we're trying to help the poor and sick, why did Congress and the President promote that? Doesn't hurting the poor and sick violate the principles of social justice? Do the poor and sick not pay their "fair share" while they're paying expensive medical bills?

4. Major legislation (I.E. Heath and Financial bills) that those who voted on it didn't even read. Same thing happened with the "Patriot Act".

#4 also true. You can't deflect blame by trying to change the discussion. Ramming through the Patriot Act was wrong, but the recent Congress and Administration doubled-down with the recent bills --- backroom deals and corruption.

Saying "he did it too!" doesn't justify anything. It's either wrong or right. The problem is lack of integrity, honor, and ethics --- it's acceptable to people when their side does it, but they'll squeal like pigs if someone else does it. If it's wrong, it's wrong, no matter from the left, right, center, or anywhere else. Right and wrong don't change when the White House changes political parties.

In other words, value relativism stinks.

We'll leave #5 alone because it depends on the Clinton-esque definition of "government takeover", but 4 out of 5 isn't too bad.

by: savnsan

07-29-2010 @ 7:23am

>>some of us believe we are somehow being "robbed" to fund these programs. Some of us believe that in supporting the least of us, we are somehow "taking away" from those of us with the most.<<

Well said, Patricia, I wrote something very similar in my reply to Stein above.

by: savnsan

07-29-2010 @ 7:23am

>>some of us believe we are somehow being "robbed" to fund these programs. Some of us believe that in supporting the least of us, we are somehow "taking away" from those of us with the most.<<

Well said, Patricia, I wrote something very similar in my reply to Stein above.

by: savnsan

07-29-2010 @ 7:03am

I would add a healthy and educated population to the list of items for the common good. Universal health care and access to fair student loans result in a stronger and smarter population who will thrive in and strengthen our capitalist economy. Yes, I said capitalist. Since when does social justice have to equal communism or socialism? We need to remember that making our neighbors' lives better makes our lives better, too. It's not about a free ride for lazy bums. It's about creating an environment that nurtures and sustains human potential. Its an investment that pays off for all of us. That's the practical aspect of social justice. Personally, I believe in social justice because nearly everything Jesus said and did was about caring for our fellow human beings. It's a spiritual choice that coincides with "left of center" politics. That's how I vote and that's how I live.

by: savnsan

07-29-2010 @ 7:03am

I would add a healthy and educated population to the list of items for the common good. Universal health care and access to fair student loans result in a stronger and smarter population who will thrive in and strengthen our capitalist economy. Yes, I said capitalist. Since when does social justice have to equal communism or socialism? We need to remember that making our neighbors' lives better makes our lives better, too. It's not about a free ride for lazy bums. It's about creating an environment that nurtures and sustains human potential. Its an investment that pays off for all of us. That's the practical aspect of social justice. Personally, I believe in social justice because nearly everything Jesus said and did was about caring for our fellow human beings. It's a spiritual choice that coincides with "left of center" politics. That's how I vote and that's how I live.

by: pcnot4me

07-27-2010 @ 8:58pm

"Maybe it will do away with driving/buying vehicles"

Thanks for making my point for me. Personally I want/need to have a vehicle.

by: Patricia

07-28-2010 @ 1:59am

I think common good means that there are things that work for the good of all of us, and make all of us better, even if they are "detrimental" to some individuals. Taxes, for instance. Taxes fund many programs that benefit all of us, like medicare, social security, head start, WIC, education, etc. Without them (before them), we would have elderly sick people on the streets and unable to afford health care. We would have poor children who are damaged (their brains, physically, forever) for life due to poor nutrition in their early years, and poor women giving birth to high-risk, low birth weight babies because of lack of nutrition during pregnancy. We would have poor children who never catch up in school because they were denied early education opportunities. We would have poor and middle-class students unable to obtain higher education without loans and our work force would be less educated and competitive than we are now.

But, some of us believe we are somehow being "robbed" to fund these programs.

I'll get to social justice later...have to think some more to articulate that one clearly.

by: pcnot4me

07-27-2010 @ 8:58pm

"Maybe it will do away with driving/buying vehicles"

Thanks for making my point for me. Personally I want/need to have a vehicle.

by: Patricia

07-28-2010 @ 1:51am

Hijack!

by: pcnot4me

07-27-2010 @ 8:56pm

Sorry Blue, but much of what I listed has already taken place in the last 18 months and the rest of it Obama wants and is planning for.

by: Patricia

07-28-2010 @ 1:51am

I like this idea - when someone identifies a hijack post, how about responding with "hijack", and we try to leave it alone?

I'll start up with foobar058 :).

by: pcnot4me

07-27-2010 @ 8:56pm

Sorry Blue, but much of what I listed has already taken place in the last 18 months and the rest of it Obama wants and is planning for.

by: Stein

07-27-2010 @ 8:49pm

Folks, can we stop responding to attempts to hijack our discussion.

How can we "build a powerful alternative to the Tea Party"?

How can we articulate what (or who) we are FOR, and 'why', rather than just mimicing everyone across the political spectrum that mostly just stands against things?

by: Stein

07-27-2010 @ 8:49pm

Folks, can we stop responding to attempts to hijack our discussion.

How can we "build a powerful alternative to the Tea Party"?

How can we articulate what (or who) we are FOR, and 'why', rather than just mimicing everyone across the political spectrum that mostly just stands against things?

by: Jerry Gates

07-28-2010 @ 5:29am

I like your comment Patricia and agree that common good is derived from social pratices like tax funded Medicaid, welfare, dosability, job training, and arts enrichments Jobs are made by paying attention to social needs as societies progress rapidly through paradigm changes like credit cards, ipads, innovations require adaptation in the human social habit structures. New , innovative social ideals can lead to provocative investment opportunities in social and green friendly paradigms that spend taxpayer monies on common good social schemes.

Social justice is obediance to the law by all.No white collar wall street types get off with a slap on the wrist in the wiser world where everyone obeys the law and courts prosecute justice equally, blind justice is social equality, hence common good and egalitarian without be socialist per se, just well intentioned good government, we the people means all of us, if rich folks get rich during war and offf of stock market declines by hedging their bets against We The People, that means they fucked with us, so we fuck with them back, higher taxes, for the rich now makes sense, that would be common good given that seventy fifve percent of us are por or lower middle class and deserve to be compensated for rich folks ripping us off from our pensions 401k investments and future infrastructure needs by their casino gambling with our future. If we push back, that's common good because we are seventy five percent of the people and if the rich keep treading on us, the dont tread on me aspect of good old country boy amaericana comes out the smith and wesson get a dust off. socila justice today in the USA means civil disobediance and the thought that the war monger asswopes who run this nation run the moiney into their buds pockets on our damed dime and that has to end, I dont want to pay the creeps who ruined my retirement anything but a black eye!

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by: pcnot4me

07-27-2010 @ 5:48pm

"Glenn Beck should join America's community of faith in a conversation about the common good and social justice instead of his destructive path of unfounded accusations and attacks."

How do you classify your unfounded accusations and attacks of the tea party?

And nobody is against "common good". What we are against if YOUR definition of "common good".

Common is good is not:
1. Cap and Trade legislation that will skyrocket everyone's energy costs. Is the common good $10 per gallon gas and electric bills so high that most people can't even run their air conditioning? No matter how hot it is.
2. Runaway deficits with the biggest spending President and Congress in our history and desire to slow that down.
3. Tax increases for all either in direct taxes or indirect "common good" taxes that are buried in the health bill
4. Major legislation (I.E. Heath and Financial bills) that those who voted on it didn't even read.
5. The government takeover of the auto,financial,and healthcare industries.

That is not common good. You can package it however you want. But this regime is destroying America. November can't come soon enough.

by: pcnot4me

07-27-2010 @ 5:48pm

"Glenn Beck should join America's community of faith in a conversation about the common good and social justice instead of his destructive path of unfounded accusations and attacks."

How do you classify your unfounded accusations and attacks of the tea party?

And nobody is against "common good". What we are against if YOUR definition of "common good".

Common is good is not:
1. Cap and Trade legislation that will skyrocket everyone's energy costs. Is the common good $10 per gallon gas and electric bills so high that most people can't even run their air conditioning? No matter how hot it is.
2. Runaway deficits with the biggest spending President and Congress in our history and desire to slow that down.
3. Tax increases for all either in direct taxes or indirect "common good" taxes that are buried in the health bill
4. Major legislation (I.E. Heath and Financial bills) that those who voted on it didn't even read.
5. The government takeover of the auto,financial,and healthcare industries.

That is not common good. You can package it however you want. But this regime is destroying America. November can't come soon enough.

by: pcnot4me

07-27-2010 @ 5:48pm

"Glenn Beck should join America's community of faith in a conversation about the common good and social justice instead of his destructive path of unfounded accusations and attacks."

How do you classify your unfounded accusations and attacks of the tea party?

And nobody is against "common good". What we are against if YOUR definition of "common good".

Common is good is not:
1. Cap and Trade legislation that will skyrocket everyone's energy costs. Is the common good $10 per gallon gas and electric bills so high that most people can't even run their air conditioning? No matter how hot it is.
2. Runaway deficits with the biggest spending President and Congress in our history and desire to slow that down.
3. Tax increases for all either in direct taxes or indirect "common good" taxes that are buried in the health bill
4. Major legislation (I.E. Heath and Financial bills) that those who voted on it didn't even read.
5. The government takeover of the auto,financial,and healthcare industries.

That is not common good. You can package it however you want. But this regime is destroying America. November can't come soon enough.

by: BlueDeacon

07-27-2010 @ 5:50pm

Please -- no more "Chicken Little" forecasting. Conservatives have made those kind of charges for the past 30 years and not one has come true. NOT ONE!

by: BlueDeacon

07-27-2010 @ 5:50pm

Please -- no more "Chicken Little" forecasting. Conservatives have made those kind of charges for the past 30 years and not one has come true. NOT ONE!

by: BlueDeacon

07-27-2010 @ 5:50pm

Please -- no more "Chicken Little" forecasting. Conservatives have made those kind of charges for the past 30 years and not one has come true. NOT ONE!

by: Patricia

07-27-2010 @ 6:18pm

That is not the common good, but none of that is true, either - just more dishonest fear-mongering from those on the "right". The hypocracy is almost as laughable as the ignorance of those who believe the points you list are true. Truthy, yes - true, not even close.

by: Patricia

07-27-2010 @ 6:18pm

That is not the common good, but none of that is true, either - just more dishonest fear-mongering from those on the "right". The hypocracy is almost as laughable as the ignorance of those who believe the points you list are true. Truthy, yes - true, not even close.

by: Patricia

07-27-2010 @ 6:18pm

That is not the common good, but none of that is true, either - just more dishonest fear-mongering from those on the "right". The hypocracy is almost as laughable as the ignorance of those who believe the points you list are true. Truthy, yes - true, not even close.

by: sandman09

07-27-2010 @ 6:56pm

can you tell me what is included in your definition of the common good?

by: sandman09

07-27-2010 @ 6:56pm

can you tell me what is included in your definition of the common good?

by: sandman09

07-27-2010 @ 6:56pm

can you tell me what is included in your definition of the common good?

by: sandman09

07-27-2010 @ 6:59pm

Can you tell me what is included in your definition of the common good?

by: sandman09

07-27-2010 @ 6:59pm

Can you tell me what is included in your definition of the common good?

by: sandman09

07-27-2010 @ 6:59pm

Can you tell me what is included in your definition of the common good?

by: Ngchen

07-27-2010 @ 7:13pm

Can you please not engage in straw-men attacks? I (we?) welcome honest debate, but it's next to impossible when people exaggerate and distort.

Speaking of which, I remember how Donny used to paint WAY too broadly with his brush, and ultimately either left or got banned.

by: Ngchen

07-27-2010 @ 7:13pm

Can you please not engage in straw-men attacks? I (we?) welcome honest debate, but it's next to impossible when people exaggerate and distort.

Speaking of which, I remember how Donny used to paint WAY too broadly with his brush, and ultimately either left or got banned.

by: Ngchen

07-27-2010 @ 7:13pm

Can you please not engage in straw-men attacks? I (we?) welcome honest debate, but it's next to impossible when people exaggerate and distort.

Speaking of which, I remember how Donny used to paint WAY too broadly with his brush, and ultimately either left or got banned.

by: Stein

07-27-2010 @ 7:20pm

So what, specifically, is in the common good?

Can we define it better, or is it just something we know when we see it?

Social Justice is part of the common good.

Legal Justice ("and justice for all") is part of the common good that is all too often missing despite constitutional guarantees.

Others?

by: Stein

07-27-2010 @ 7:20pm

So what, specifically, is in the common good?

Can we define it better, or is it just something we know when we see it?

Social Justice is part of the common good.

Legal Justice ("and justice for all") is part of the common good that is all too often missing despite constitutional guarantees.

Others?

by: PhoobarID

07-27-2010 @ 7:26pm

Let's look at your five points and the results you seem so scared of.

1. Cap and Trade legislation that will skyrocket everyone's energy costs. Maybe it will do away with driving/buying vehicles/items which mean destroying the planet. No one needs an SUV or so many items of plastic (made of oil). This being the case...it might make the oil companies think about the pollution they expel that they don't now. In addition...I don't think you have a starship in orbit to take us to another planet to ravage like we have this one.

2. Runaway deficits with the biggest spending President and Congress in our history and desire to slow that down. Taxes will need to be increased. There is no way around it. You don't want to pay them...but heaven forbid that your SS/Medicare is decreased or eliminated because of you not wanting to pay your fair share. In addition...it was the previous administration which squandered away the budget surplus. In addition...Obama never told us a lie about going into Iraq to look for WMD's...rather than attempt to work toward peace.

3. Tax increases for all either in direct taxes or indirect "common good" taxes that are buried in the health bill. Several figures have come out saying that the health care bill will save over $100 billion dollars. Every time I hear anyone talk about not wanting to pay for their share for this bill...it comes back to being selfish and not caring what happens to your fellow man.

4. Major legislation (I.E. Heath and Financial bills) that those who voted on it didn't even read. Same thing happened with the "Patriot Act". Look at where that's gotten us. As for not reading it...you are correct...especially since the lobbyists and influence peddlers have all ready gone over the bill with the legislator to tell him how they want him to vote.

5. The government takeover of the auto,financial,and healthcare industries. Healthcare = VA/Medicare/Medicaid. Financial = Both Mae's/VA Bill/Student Loans and Grants. Auto = Hummer/Fuel and Fluid Reserves.

Much of what you're talking about usually am/will directly help you. If you don't like these entitlements...make sure you don't take or pay back your SS/Medicare. If you got your home through a government loan...pay back whatever you have taken from them. You're causing this as much as anyone else...but chances are you will defend these programs like crazy since you are benefiting from them. If not...make sure you never use them. Heaven forbid you do anything which makes your rhetoric ring hollow/false.

by: PhoobarID

07-27-2010 @ 7:26pm

Let's look at your five points and the results you seem so scared of.

1. Cap and Trade legislation that will skyrocket everyone's energy costs. Maybe it will do away with driving/buying vehicles/items which mean destroying the planet. No one needs an SUV or so many items of plastic (made of oil). This being the case...it might make the oil companies think about the pollution they expel that they don't now. In addition...I don't think you have a starship in orbit to take us to another planet to ravage like we have this one.

2. Runaway deficits with the biggest spending President and Congress in our history and desire to slow that down. Taxes will need to be increased. There is no way around it. You don't want to pay them...but heaven forbid that your SS/Medicare is decreased or eliminated because of you not wanting to pay your fair share. In addition...it was the previous administration which squandered away the budget surplus. In addition...Obama never told us a lie about going into Iraq to look for WMD's...rather than attempt to work toward peace.

3. Tax increases for all either in direct taxes or indirect "common good" taxes that are buried in the health bill. Several figures have come out saying that the health care bill will save over $100 billion dollars. Every time I hear anyone talk about not wanting to pay for their share for this bill...it comes back to being selfish and not caring what happens to your fellow man.

4. Major legislation (I.E. Heath and Financial bills) that those who voted on it didn't even read. Same thing happened with the "Patriot Act". Look at where that's gotten us. As for not reading it...you are correct...especially since the lobbyists and influence peddlers have all ready gone over the bill with the legislator to tell him how they want him to vote.

5. The government takeover of the auto,financial,and healthcare industries. Healthcare = VA/Medicare/Medicaid. Financial = Both Mae's/VA Bill/Student Loans and Grants. Auto = Hummer/Fuel and Fluid Reserves.

Much of what you're talking about usually am/will directly help you. If you don't like these entitlements...make sure you don't take or pay back your SS/Medicare. If you got your home through a government loan...pay back whatever you have taken from them. You're causing this as much as anyone else...but chances are you will defend these programs like crazy since you are benefiting from them. If not...make sure you never use them. Heaven forbid you do anything which makes your rhetoric ring hollow/false.

by: Stein

07-27-2010 @ 8:49pm

Folks, can we stop responding to attempts to hijack our discussion.

How can we "build a powerful alternative to the Tea Party"?

How can we articulate what (or who) we are FOR, and 'why', rather than just mimicing everyone across the political spectrum that mostly just stands against things?

by: Stein

07-27-2010 @ 8:49pm

Folks, can we stop responding to attempts to hijack our discussion.

How can we "build a powerful alternative to the Tea Party"?

How can we articulate what (or who) we are FOR, and 'why', rather than just mimicing everyone across the political spectrum that mostly just stands against things?

by: Stein

07-27-2010 @ 8:49pm

Folks, can we stop responding to attempts to hijack our discussion.

How can we "build a powerful alternative to the Tea Party"?

How can we articulate what (or who) we are FOR, and 'why', rather than just mimicing everyone across the political spectrum that mostly just stands against things?

by: pcnot4me

07-27-2010 @ 8:56pm

Sorry Blue, but much of what I listed has already taken place in the last 18 months and the rest of it Obama wants and is planning for.

by: pcnot4me

07-27-2010 @ 8:56pm

Sorry Blue, but much of what I listed has already taken place in the last 18 months and the rest of it Obama wants and is planning for.

by: pcnot4me

07-27-2010 @ 8:56pm

Sorry Blue, but much of what I listed has already taken place in the last 18 months and the rest of it Obama wants and is planning for.

by: pcnot4me

07-27-2010 @ 8:58pm

"Maybe it will do away with driving/buying vehicles"

Thanks for making my point for me. Personally I want/need to have a vehicle.

by: pcnot4me

07-27-2010 @ 8:58pm

"Maybe it will do away with driving/buying vehicles"

Thanks for making my point for me. Personally I want/need to have a vehicle.

by: pcnot4me

07-27-2010 @ 8:58pm

"Maybe it will do away with driving/buying vehicles"

Thanks for making my point for me. Personally I want/need to have a vehicle.

by: Kolburt Schultz

07-27-2010 @ 9:50pm

Am I the only one getting tired of this constant obsession with Glenn Beck?

by: Kolburt Schultz

07-27-2010 @ 9:50pm

Am I the only one getting tired of this constant obsession with Glenn Beck?

by: Kolburt Schultz

07-27-2010 @ 9:50pm

Am I the only one getting tired of this constant obsession with Glenn Beck?

by: Patricia

07-27-2010 @ 10:38pm

It's kind of a fine line for me...on one hand, I could never hear his name mentioned again in this lifetime and be perfectly happy. On the other though, he is such a liar and distorter, and his audience is so huge, that I believe he needs to be constantly challenged and called out when he engages in his deceptions. Most of his minions probably won't pay attention - reality, facts, objective documentation, etc hold no interest for them - but there are some, I am sure, who, when presented with the truth, recognize it and move away from the fog of incoherent rage he flogs day after day.

I think he's one of those cases that won't go away if we ignore him, but giving too much attention to him suits his ragifying needs just fine.

I guess I'd rather hear too much about him than allow him an uncontested space to spin his lies and spread his poisonous influence.

Maybe we can just have one, ongoing, constantly updated thread detailing his latest distortions and deceptions...the list would get pretty long pretty quick :)!

by: Patricia

07-27-2010 @ 10:38pm

It's kind of a fine line for me...on one hand, I could never hear his name mentioned again in this lifetime and be perfectly happy. On the other though, he is such a liar and distorter, and his audience is so huge, that I believe he needs to be constantly challenged and called out when he engages in his deceptions. Most of his minions probably won't pay attention - reality, facts, objective documentation, etc hold no interest for them - but there are some, I am sure, who, when presented with the truth, recognize it and move away from the fog of incoherent rage he flogs day after day.

I think he's one of those cases that won't go away if we ignore him, but giving too much attention to him suits his ragifying needs just fine.

I guess I'd rather hear too much about him than allow him an uncontested space to spin his lies and spread his poisonous influence.

Maybe we can just have one, ongoing, constantly updated thread detailing his latest distortions and deceptions...the list would get pretty long pretty quick :)!

by: Patricia

07-27-2010 @ 10:38pm

It's kind of a fine line for me...on one hand, I could never hear his name mentioned again in this lifetime and be perfectly happy. On the other though, he is such a liar and distorter, and his audience is so huge, that I believe he needs to be constantly challenged and called out when he engages in his deceptions. Most of his minions probably won't pay attention - reality, facts, objective documentation, etc hold no interest for them - but there are some, I am sure, who, when presented with the truth, recognize it and move away from the fog of incoherent rage he flogs day after day.

I think he's one of those cases that won't go away if we ignore him, but giving too much attention to him suits his ragifying needs just fine.

I guess I'd rather hear too much about him than allow him an uncontested space to spin his lies and spread his poisonous influence.

Maybe we can just have one, ongoing, constantly updated thread detailing his latest distortions and deceptions...the list would get pretty long pretty quick :)!

by: BlueDeacon

07-27-2010 @ 11:08pm

I told you -- I don't want to hear it.

by: BlueDeacon

07-27-2010 @ 11:08pm

I told you -- I don't want to hear it.

by: BlueDeacon

07-27-2010 @ 11:08pm

I told you -- I don't want to hear it.

by: foobar058

07-27-2010 @ 11:58pm

1. Cap and Trade legislation that will skyrocket everyone's energy costs. No one needs an SUV or so many items of plastic...

The response doesn't refute the claim - cap 'n trade *will* massively increase energy costs (it's *designed* to do so as even Obama admits). President Obama agrees #1 is true.

"No one needs" --- just as an aside, *who* gets to decide who needs what? Will a committee be formed to ration out various items? Tell you what car to drive? How far? When? Do you have a plan to implement a "who needs what" system? If so, could you explain your vision for how we'll make sure nobody gets more than what they "need"?

2. Runaway deficits with the biggest spending President and Congress in our history and desire to slow that down....Obama never told us a lie about going into Iraq to look for WMD's...

A classic Non sequitur --- Iraq has nothing to do with Obama's deficits, which *are* the largest on record. Two wrongs don't make a right; someone's mistake can't justify another person's error.

#2 is true (biggest spending and deficits), whether they're "runaway" depends on the person.

In addition...it was the previous administration which squandered away the budget surplus.

There was no budget surplus, if you're referring to the Clinton years. The country borrowed more money and increased the debt each year Clinton was in office. If you're interested, check out the Treasury Department's fiscal year US debt data and you'll notice it increased every year (increased fiscal yearly debt = deficit spending).

3. Tax increases for all ... buried in the health bill.Every time I hear anyone talk about not wanting to pay for their share for this bill...it comes back to being selfish and not caring what happens to your fellow man.

The healthcare bill raises taxes on sick people. If we're trying to help the poor and sick, why did Congress and the President promote that? Doesn't hurting the poor and sick violate the principles of social justice? Do the poor and sick not pay their "fair share" while they're paying expensive medical bills?

4. Major legislation (I.E. Heath and Financial bills) that those who voted on it didn't even read. Same thing happened with the "Patriot Act".

#4 also true. You can't deflect blame by trying to change the discussion. Ramming through the Patriot Act was wrong, but the recent Congress and Administration doubled-down with the recent bills --- backroom deals and corruption.

Saying "he did it too!" doesn't justify anything. It's either wrong or right. The problem is lack of integrity, honor, and ethics --- it's acceptable to people when their side does it, but they'll squeal like pigs if someone else does it. If it's wrong, it's wrong, no matter from the left, right, center, or anywhere else. Right and wrong don't change when the White House changes political parties.

In other words, value relativism stinks.

We'll leave #5 alone because it depends on the Clinton-esque definition of "government takeover", but 4 out of 5 isn't too bad.

by: foobar058

07-27-2010 @ 11:58pm

1. Cap and Trade legislation that will skyrocket everyone's energy costs. No one needs an SUV or so many items of plastic...

The response doesn't refute the claim - cap 'n trade *will* massively increase energy costs (it's *designed* to do so as even Obama admits). President Obama agrees #1 is true.

"No one needs" --- just as an aside, *who* gets to decide who needs what? Will a committee be formed to ration out various items? Tell you what car to drive? How far? When? Do you have a plan to implement a "who needs what" system? If so, could you explain your vision for how we'll make sure nobody gets more than what they "need"?

2. Runaway deficits with the biggest spending President and Congress in our history and desire to slow that down....Obama never told us a lie about going into Iraq to look for WMD's...

A classic Non sequitur --- Iraq has nothing to do with Obama's deficits, which *are* the largest on record. Two wrongs don't make a right; someone's mistake can't justify another person's error.

#2 is true (biggest spending and deficits), whether they're "runaway" depends on the person.

In addition...it was the previous administration which squandered away the budget surplus.

There was no budget surplus, if you're referring to the Clinton years. The country borrowed more money and increased the debt each year Clinton was in office. If you're interested, check out the Treasury Department's fiscal year US debt data and you'll notice it increased every year (increased fiscal yearly debt = deficit spending).

3. Tax increases for all ... buried in the health bill.Every time I hear anyone talk about not wanting to pay for their share for this bill...it comes back to being selfish and not caring what happens to your fellow man.

The healthcare bill raises taxes on sick people. If we're trying to help the poor and sick, why did Congress and the President promote that? Doesn't hurting the poor and sick violate the principles of social justice? Do the poor and sick not pay their "fair share" while they're paying expensive medical bills?

4. Major legislation (I.E. Heath and Financial bills) that those who voted on it didn't even read. Same thing happened with the "Patriot Act".

#4 also true. You can't deflect blame by trying to change the discussion. Ramming through the Patriot Act was wrong, but the recent Congress and Administration doubled-down with the recent bills --- backroom deals and corruption.

Saying "he did it too!" doesn't justify anything. It's either wrong or right. The problem is lack of integrity, honor, and ethics --- it's acceptable to people when their side does it, but they'll squeal like pigs if someone else does it. If it's wrong, it's wrong, no matter from the left, right, center, or anywhere else. Right and wrong don't change when the White House changes political parties.

In other words, value relativism stinks.

We'll leave #5 alone because it depends on the Clinton-esque definition of "government takeover", but 4 out of 5 isn't too bad.

by: foobar058

07-27-2010 @ 11:58pm

1. Cap and Trade legislation that will skyrocket everyone's energy costs. No one needs an SUV or so many items of plastic...

The response doesn't refute the claim - cap 'n trade *will* massively increase energy costs (it's *designed* to do so as even Obama admits). President Obama agrees #1 is true.

"No one needs" --- just as an aside, *who* gets to decide who needs what? Will a committee be formed to ration out various items? Tell you what car to drive? How far? When? Do you have a plan to implement a "who needs what" system? If so, could you explain your vision for how we'll make sure nobody gets more than what they "need"?

2. Runaway deficits with the biggest spending President and Congress in our history and desire to slow that down....Obama never told us a lie about going into Iraq to look for WMD's...

A classic Non sequitur --- Iraq has nothing to do with Obama's deficits, which *are* the largest on record. Two wrongs don't make a right; someone's mistake can't justify another person's error.

#2 is true (biggest spending and deficits), whether they're "runaway" depends on the person.

In addition...it was the previous administration which squandered away the budget surplus.

There was no budget surplus, if you're referring to the Clinton years. The country borrowed more money and increased the debt each year Clinton was in office. If you're interested, check out the Treasury Department's fiscal year US debt data and you'll notice it increased every year (increased fiscal yearly debt = deficit spending).

3. Tax increases for all ... buried in the health bill.Every time I hear anyone talk about not wanting to pay for their share for this bill...it comes back to being selfish and not caring what happens to your fellow man.

The healthcare bill raises taxes on sick people. If we're trying to help the poor and sick, why did Congress and the President promote that? Doesn't hurting the poor and sick violate the principles of social justice? Do the poor and sick not pay their "fair share" while they're paying expensive medical bills?

4. Major legislation (I.E. Heath and Financial bills) that those who voted on it didn't even read. Same thing happened with the "Patriot Act".

#4 also true. You can't deflect blame by trying to change the discussion. Ramming through the Patriot Act was wrong, but the recent Congress and Administration doubled-down with the recent bills --- backroom deals and corruption.

Saying "he did it too!" doesn't justify anything. It's either wrong or right. The problem is lack of integrity, honor, and ethics --- it's acceptable to people when their side does it, but they'll squeal like pigs if someone else does it. If it's wrong, it's wrong, no matter from the left, right, center, or anywhere else. Right and wrong don't change when the White House changes political parties.

In other words, value relativism stinks.

We'll leave #5 alone because it depends on the Clinton-esque definition of "government takeover", but 4 out of 5 isn't too bad.

by: Patricia

07-28-2010 @ 1:51am

I like this idea - when someone identifies a hijack post, how about responding with "hijack", and we try to leave it alone?

I'll start up with foobar058 :).

by: Patricia

07-28-2010 @ 1:51am

I like this idea - when someone identifies a hijack post, how about responding with "hijack", and we try to leave it alone?

I'll start up with foobar058 :).

by: Patricia

07-28-2010 @ 1:51am

I like this idea - when someone identifies a hijack post, how about responding with "hijack", and we try to leave it alone?

I'll start up with foobar058 :).

by: Patricia

07-28-2010 @ 1:51am

Hijack!

by: Patricia

07-28-2010 @ 1:51am

Hijack!

by: Patricia

07-28-2010 @ 1:51am

Hijack!

by: Patricia

07-28-2010 @ 1:59am

I think common good means that there are things that work for the good of all of us, and make all of us better, even if they are "detrimental" to some individuals. Taxes, for instance. Taxes fund many programs that benefit all of us, like medicare, social security, head start, WIC, education, etc. Without them (before them), we would have elderly sick people on the streets and unable to afford health care. We would have poor children who are damaged (their brains, physically, forever) for life due to poor nutrition in their early years, and poor women giving birth to high-risk, low birth weight babies because of lack of nutrition during pregnancy. We would have poor children who never catch up in school because they were denied early education opportunities. We would have poor and middle-class students unable to obtain higher education without loans and our work force would be less educated and competitive than we are now.

But, some of us believe we are somehow being "robbed" to fund these programs.

I'll get to social justice later...have to think some more to articulate that one clearly.