Get E-Mail Updates

The Immigration Fight Isn't Over

Yesterday, U.S. District Judge Susan Bolton preliminarily struck down key provisions in Arizona's infamous SB 1070 law and ruled that states cannot preempt federal law. While important, this is a victory that rings hollow for me and all those who care about the true reform of our immigration system. In many ways, the damage to neighborhoods and communities had already been done, as people did not wait to see how the law would affect them. Many mixed-status families pulled their children out of school and moved out of state, closing stores and restaurants and leaving many immigrant neighborhoods like ghost towns. This did not just affect undocumented immigrants but all those whose status might be called into question -- including citizens, permanent legal residents, and temporary visa holders.

Related Reading

Take Action on This Issue

Tell the Senate: Don't Cut International Aid

Please join us in telling the Senate: Protect foreign aid programs that help the poor and the needy. 

The court's preliminary decision is only the beginning of the litigation process, which will unfold in the coming months. Yesterday's ruling, however, is a necessary first step in affirming the principle that it is the federal government's responsibility to set immigration policy and to enforce that policy. It affirms that even if the federal system is failing, states do not have the authority to set or enforce their own policies.

Immigration is continually labeled as an issue that "deeply divides Americans." But is that true? Recent polling found widespread support for a path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants. A new study sponsored by America's Voice found that more than 75 percent of Americans who read a description of comprehensive immigration reform said they would support the measure. And according to Robert Jones, CEO of the Public Religion Research Institute, "More than 8-in-10 Americans -- including overwhelming majorities of white mainline Protestants, Catholics, and white evangelicals -- believe strongly that immigration reform should be guided by the values of protecting the dignity of every person and keeping families together, as well as by such values as promoting national security and ensuring fairness to taxpayers." There is a strong and growing consensus around much of what needs to be addressed by comprehensive reform.

It won't be enough simply to enforce the laws we already have. While we are indeed a nation of laws, we are also a nation made up largely of immigrants and the progeny of immigrants. Moreover, we are a nation made up largely of Christians and people of other faiths -- faiths that teach and compel their followers to care about what happens to the other, and to honor the dignity of everyone created in the image of God. Granted, there is a vocal minority opposed to reform. And ironically, most -- if not all -- of the opponents are the children, grandchildren, great-grandchildren, or great-great-grandchildren of immigrants. Most of these people's ancestors would not have been able to immigrate legally under our current system.

So now what? First of all, as November creeps closer, Bolton's decision assures that comprehensive immigration reform as a moral issue will be front and center this election season. But as people of faith, we must reject the use of this issue to drive fear into the debate and pit citizen against citizen, and citizen against immigrant. We have to reject the politicization of this issue, and the use of immigrant families as tools to win (or make the other lose) an election. And when we see it happening, we need to call it out.

Secondly, it's not enough to repeal the most controversial parts of SB 1070, as important as that is. The overall law still goes into effect today, which will lead to a confusing patchwork of guidelines on the ground in Arizona. This is a costly byproduct of enjoining the law, as law enforcement will have to haphazardly interpret the remaining provisions.

Therefore, lawmakers must act to fulfill their duty to make laws and set federal policy on immigration. It will take fewer politicians and more statesmen and stateswomen to reform our broken system. President Obama must lead on comprehensive immigration reform, and Congress must be willing to lead as well -- by having a fair and truthful debate on this issue and passing a bipartisan bill that will be good for our country. Clearly, the longer they wait, the more dysfunctional our system becomes.

Finally, each of us needs to be willing to lead on this issue. As difficult as it is to talk about issues like this with our friends and families, we have a responsibility to challenge falsehoods and myths about immigrants and talk about the contributions they make to our communities. We need to transform the rhetoric into truth. At the heart of our Christian tradition is the belief that true and lasting transformation is not only possible but necessary, and it can only happen when we are willing to do what needs to be done for the common good.

While I was at an interview yesterday about the Arizona law, I met a young woman. She asked me if I supported the Dream Act. (The Dream Act would allow students who graduate from college or go into the military the opportunity to become U.S. citizens.) I told her that we did, and she responded with thanks. She said a friend of hers just graduated from a prestigious East Coast university at the top of his class, but because he was undocumented, he is not able to get a professional job (despite his intellect and gifts) or go to graduate school. Instead, he is back home working in his family's restaurant business, and our country and society lose out because we aren't utilizing his gifts.

Also yesterday afternoon, children of immigrants -- mostly U.S. citizen children, many or most of whom live in mixed-status households -- held a march across from the White House to advocate for comprehensive immigration reform. These children live in fear of being separated from parents and family, many of whom came here for work they couldn't find in their own countries. They came to provide for their families. They want what all parents want -- for their children to be healthy and fed.

Transformation is not easy. In truth, it's very, very difficult. While we need the political will to transform our society, and leadership to get it done, we also need to be personally transformed, and we need to act as agents of transformation. If we fail to think and act differently, if we fail to change the way immigration is understood and debated in this country, we will fail our neighbors, our children, and our God. We have to choose to be transformed, and we have to choose to be active participants in the transformation of our society for good.

portrait-jennifer-kottlerRev. Jennifer Kottler is the Director of Policy and Advocacy at Sojourners. A long-time advocate for justice, Jennifer has served in advocacy ministry for more than seven years through her work at Protestants for the Common Good (Chicago, IL), the Let Justice Roll Living Wage Campaign, and the Chicago Jobs Council.

Sojourners relies on the support of readers like you to sustain our message and ministry.

Related Stories

Resources

Like what you're reading? Get Sojourners E-Mail updates!

by: kansasmennonite

07-29-2010 @ 11:40pm

How many lives would the revolution take?

by: Steve Cagle

07-29-2010 @ 8:20pm

I am conflicted by this law and by the arguments of those both for and against it. Those who are against it and who seem to be pushing for the retaking of the Southwest by the illegal immigration of Mexican citizens have a very naive view of the situation. They portray the illegal immigrants as innocent victims of poverty in Mexico who merely want a better life in the U.S. While this is partially true, the reality is that there is another class of illegal who also wants to improve their economic situation by making lots of money in the U.S.: violent drug gang members!

A nation cannot remain a nation if it can't control its borders. The violence south of the border is overwhelming and there is a great fear it could bring down the Mexican government. Corruption is rampant and the violence is beyond even what is going on in Iraq at this time! Without control over the border, the region and those entering the U.S., this violence will come to the U.S. - beyond what already has. Violent gangs like MS-13 are already operating in cities across the U.S. Allowing illegals to remain here invites these gangs to grow.

As far as "carrying papers," I would remind people that we all have to carry a driver's license to operate a motor vehicle. If a cop stops a car and nobody in it has a driver's license, that is a pretty good indicator that more checking to verify immigration/citizenship status is needed. This entire "show me your papers" stuff doesn't match reality - we DO have to show our papers (license or ID) for a variety of everyday transactions.

The best proposal I've seen for immigration reform came from Ruben Navarrette Jr. It includes a means for illegals to obtain legal status, for guest workers, for sanctions against employers who hire and often take advantage of illegals, for deporting criminal illegals, and for creating a secure ID so we can verify who is who and whether they're here legally - not to mention cutting down on ID theft!

This issue can be worked out, but one side has to put away its xenophobia and the other has to grow-up from its naiveté.

by: plusultra12

07-29-2010 @ 11:25pm

I apologize. I was wrong. I forgot this was a postmodern site and you are not allowed to make statements of truth. Please forgive me.

Sent from my iPad

by: plusultra12

07-29-2010 @ 8:19pm

First of all, Paul says in 1 Timothy 2:12, I do not allow a women to teach or hold authority over a man. So a women reverend is against the basic teachings of Christianity. If you don't like that join another religion where they do permit women to hold authority (good luck on that one), but don't try to change Christianity to make it conform to you sinful idolatry. Secondly do I get to choose which laws in this country I want to follow? I don't think so. That would lead to anarchy. Those who entered this country illegally knew the risks which might even lead to their family being split up. I don't blame them for trying to leave the corrupt hell hole that is Mexico, but if they would enter legally, I would welcome them with open arms. If we need more cheap labor, let's make it easier for them to come in legally. Most of these illegals are not treated very well for sure with no benefits or minimum wage. Lets do this the right way. Those who are already here should have a path to citizenship without the risk of being deported. But we need to stop the illegals coming in first.

by: plusultra12

07-29-2010 @ 11:25pm

I apologize. I was wrong. I forgot this was a postmodern site and you are not allowed to make statements of truth. Please forgive me.

Sent from my iPad

by: WaveTossed

07-29-2010 @ 9:09pm

Buckeye Don wrote: "Your challenge doesn't require much 'proof,' davintosh. Not just the 'path to citizenship' but the path to legal residency, as it exists today, is fraught with delays, paperwork, and mind-boggling hoop jumping. And that's for people who have US citizen spouses. Ask me how I know? I have students who fit into that category, and they have told me some stories. It's almost as if the immigration system is designed to make people so frustrated they give up trying to get legal status.

"Ask an immigration lawyer sometime to tell you some stories about processing papers for legal immigrants."

Buckeye Don, here we agree. The reality is that people who want to come to the U.S. legally have to wait months, years, and sometimes even decades to get the "legal" papers. This is because of the bureaucratic backlog that politicians have absolutely no political will to correct. In reality, much of the anti-"illegal"-immigrant movement is an anti-immigrant movement. I have yet seen or heard calls from the anti-"illegal"-immigrant people call for streamlining our system to rid it of these onerous backlogs. All most of them talk about is "build fences and walls, put barb-wire up, require everyone to carry legal papers," etc.

There are wildly-inaccurate protrayals about how "illegal" immigrants come to the U.S. because they all want welfare or Medicaid or public schooling -- they don't want to work. Or else they are all violent members of drug cartels who come to the U.S. to shoot each other and innocent U.S. citizens.

The truth is, even if most don't wish to believe it, is that the vast majority of immigrants, whether "legal" or not, have come here to work and earn money to support themselves and their families -- not to get free welfare or to carry out drug gang wars.

by: alberto83

07-29-2010 @ 8:50pm

A popular uprising is needed in Mexico. With the US a safety valve for dispossessed Mexicans, the much-needed revolution in Mexico will not take place. Put up meaningful barriers to prevent illegal entry by Mexicans and the Mexican government will have not choice but to change.

Once the undocumented immigrants from Mexico can no longer enter the US the problem will virtually solve itself given the high percentage of undocumented immigrants that come from Mexico.

Support the Zapatistas!

by: SwaziJohn

07-29-2010 @ 8:48pm

Please be more careful with the words you use !! "Fight" is a very alarming word, quite literally !! "Struggle" or "contest" convey much the same meaning, but with much less sting. As apprentices of Jesus we are seeking truth and understanding, as He always did, not to crush opponents, as He never did.

by: BuckeyeDon

07-29-2010 @ 9:28pm

The more cynical part of me thinks that politicians who don't really want any immigration allowed at all are behind the bureaucratic delays and hoop-jumping in order to make it hard for any immigrants to get their legal papers.

by: BuckeyeDon

07-29-2010 @ 9:24pm

I had a student from England once. She met an American, they fell in love, and wanted to get married. She applied to the US immigration authorities for a "fiancee" visa. They told her it would take at least six months to process the paperwork, and there was no guarantee that it would be approved. Not wanting to run the risk that she might not be approved, she came to the US on a tourist visa. While she was here, they got married. I think she's a legal resident now. And she was from ENGLAND!!!

A friend of my brother-in-law met a woman in El Salvador. They decided to get married there. Now he's having trouble getting approval to bring her to the US.

These things would not have happened 100 years ago. As I said, if they could get themselves to Ellis Island and weren't excludable for the reasons I mentioned, they were given their immigrant papers on the spot.

There is no doubt that many of our ancestors might not have been allowed in if the current system had been in place!

by: BloodBought357

07-30-2010 @ 1:14am

I am having a little trouble with my PC just now but will be back on the forum.
However I don't see much on this subject but OPOThere is a person I know, Yashua (Jesus), that takes care of all His children,
so I hope He is taking care of you.TO GOD BE THE GLORYTry this link: www.bloodbought357.faithweb.com
My site.

________________________________

by: Bud Huffman

07-29-2010 @ 9:59pm

No civilized nation on earth allows unrestricted immigration. our FIRST task is to stop the flow of illegal immigrants even as we develop a new policy on immigration.

Many view 15 million illegals as an invasion. Stopping that illegal flow will do much to allay fears in that segment of the population.

We should hammer out a CONSENSUS then on what our immigration policy should be.

by: BloodBought357

07-30-2010 @ 1:14am

I am having a little trouble with my PC just now but will be back on the forum.
However I don't see much on this subject but OPOThere is a person I know, Yashua (Jesus), that takes care of all His children,
so I hope He is taking care of you.TO GOD BE THE GLORYTry this link: www.bloodbought357.faithweb.com
My site.

________________________________

by: nuclearferret

07-29-2010 @ 10:09pm

I hope the realist part of you realizes it is primarily a dysfunctional bureaucracy that needs to create employment for more civil servants.

by: RealMainer

07-30-2010 @ 1:12am

The immigration issue is one of the toughest moral decisions our country is facing, and I feel myself being pulled in both directions. The question I struggle with is this: do we, as Americans, have a right to establish an immigration policy that preserves the character of our nation?

I truly feel for those who risk everything to come here illegally because they believe it is the only way that they can provide for their family. And certainly most of them are decent, hardworking people and didn't come to collect welfare. I also reject the notion of some secret plot to fundamentally change our society. But I can't help feeling that this is a threat to our heritage and culture. Although they are not coming with malicious intentions of destroying America, is that not what they have the potential to do? The immigration policy that so many of you seem to be calling for as justice would have half of Latin America applying for US citizenship, with American culture, society, traditions, and values nearly unrecognizable by mid century. Is it wrong to want the America that I love, my home, to remain as it is?

by: RealMainer

07-30-2010 @ 1:12am

The immigration issue is one of the toughest moral decisions our country is facing, and I feel myself being pulled in both directions. The question I struggle with is this: do we, as Americans, have a right to establish an immigration policy that preserves the character of our nation?

I truly feel for those who risk everything to come here illegally because they believe it is the only way that they can provide for their family. And certainly most of them are decent, hardworking people and didn't come to collect welfare. I also reject the notion of some secret plot to fundamentally change our society. But I can't help feeling that this is a threat to our heritage and culture. Although they are not coming with malicious intentions of destroying America, is that not what they have the potential to do? The immigration policy that so many of you seem to be calling for as justice would have half of Latin America applying for US citizenship, with American culture, society, traditions, and values nearly unrecognizable by mid century. Is it wrong to want the America that I love, my home, to remain as it is?

by: Br3n

07-30-2010 @ 1:12am

I don't understand what the link is between some churches ordaining women--and immigration. Or are you simply wanting to change the subject to something you'd rather discuss?

by: Br3n

07-30-2010 @ 1:12am

I don't understand what the link is between some churches ordaining women--and immigration. Or are you simply wanting to change the subject to something you'd rather discuss?

by: BloodBought357

07-30-2010 @ 1:10am

Do you have IM? I would like to talk to you further about this subject but we
both have a very frank way of speeking and I don't think it well play out very
in the open form. People may take the wrong impression.There is a person I know, Yashua (Jesus), that takes care of all His children,
so I hope He is taking care of you.TO GOD BE THE GLORYTry this link: www.bloodbought357.faithweb.com
My site.

________________________________

by: BloodBought357

07-30-2010 @ 1:10am

Do you have IM? I would like to talk to you further about this subject but we
both have a very frank way of speeking and I don't think it well play out very
in the open form. People may take the wrong impression.There is a person I know, Yashua (Jesus), that takes care of all His children,
so I hope He is taking care of you.TO GOD BE THE GLORYTry this link: www.bloodbought357.faithweb.com
My site.

________________________________

by: RealMainer

07-30-2010 @ 12:55am

There aren't any jobs that Americans won't do, but there are wages that Americans won't work for. Maine is a long way from the border, but it's only been relatively recently that migrant workers amounted to anything. Those jobs were all done by natives, many of them kids who don't have anything better to do anyway. What's going to happen if these immigrants are legalized? Will they continue working in low paying, menial jobs, or will the next round of illegals be taking their place?

by: BuckeyeDon

07-29-2010 @ 10:21pm

Thanks, Patricia. I thought about this also.

by: RealMainer

07-30-2010 @ 12:55am

There aren't any jobs that Americans won't do, but there are wages that Americans won't work for. Maine is a long way from the border, but it's only been relatively recently that migrant workers amounted to anything. Those jobs were all done by natives, many of them kids who don't have anything better to do anyway. What's going to happen if these immigrants are legalized? Will they continue working in low paying, menial jobs, or will the next round of illegals be taking their place?

by: BuckeyeDon

07-29-2010 @ 10:20pm

by: kansasmennonite

07-30-2010 @ 12:45am

Blood quote: "There seems to be a whole in the debate about this issue. What part of ILLEGLE is there that some of you don't seem to understand. First if these people had not broken the law before they did when the crossed international boraders and that is a thing that our government does not have total control over."

Not every illegal immigrant has crossed the border illegally. What part of that don't you understand?

by: Patricia

07-29-2010 @ 10:19pm

I'm going to flag this comment...there are Christian denominations that ordain women, and accusing someone of "trying to change Christianity to make it conform to you (sic) sinful idolatry" violates the COC.

Thanks.

by: kansasmennonite

07-30-2010 @ 12:45am

Blood quote: "There seems to be a whole in the debate about this issue. What part of ILLEGLE is there that some of you don't seem to understand. First if these people had not broken the law before they did when the crossed international boraders and that is a thing that our government does not have total control over."

Not every illegal immigrant has crossed the border illegally. What part of that don't you understand?

by: AdolphusL

07-29-2010 @ 10:18pm

I am not going to take time to look up the details, but it is a known fact that the quotas for immigration are quite restrictive. And, the demand for workers is fairly high. Thus, we have a lot of people overstaying temporary visas, etc. I saw a CNN story last night about illegals who pick grapes. The overseer of one vineyard said that no American citizen has every applied for a job to his knowledge. There are some things Americans will not do, and many agriculture jobs are at the head of the list. Also, it is a fact that mostly this country has always needed a working "underclass" to do the tough labor, whether it was building railroads, picking apples and tomatoes, gardening, or working construction jobs. We need them now; that is the reason they are here as illegals. It is time to get some sense and justice into the immigration law.

by: nuclearferret

07-29-2010 @ 10:11pm

Only a screwed-up country would consider the first step on the path to citizenship to be to break the laws of the country the individuals come to.

by: BuckeyeDon

07-30-2010 @ 1:32am

The idea that immigrants would "fundamentally change our society" is a very old one. It was used against the Irish and Germans in the 1840s, against the Italians and Poles in the early 1900s, and against the Chinese in the 1880s. What happened instead was that the second generation became Americanized and adopted our tradition, culture, and values. In addition, the immigrant groups added something to our culture.

After all, we have Christmas trees from Germany, pasta from Italy, kielbasa from Poland, and Chinese cuisine. We had Italian-Americans adopting our national pastime, after all (remember Joe DiMaggio?). I could go on.

Latino/as have already given us a rich portion of their heritage as well.

There's really no reason to fear. They won't destroy America; on the contrary, they'll enrich us all.

by: BuckeyeDon

07-30-2010 @ 1:32am

The idea that immigrants would "fundamentally change our society" is a very old one. It was used against the Irish and Germans in the 1840s, against the Italians and Poles in the early 1900s, and against the Chinese in the 1880s. What happened instead was that the second generation became Americanized and adopted our tradition, culture, and values. In addition, the immigrant groups added something to our culture.

After all, we have Christmas trees from Germany, pasta from Italy, kielbasa from Poland, and Chinese cuisine. We had Italian-Americans adopting our national pastime, after all (remember Joe DiMaggio?). I could go on.

Latino/as have already given us a rich portion of their heritage as well.

There's really no reason to fear. They won't destroy America; on the contrary, they'll enrich us all.

by: BuckeyeDon

07-29-2010 @ 10:47pm

Let's also keep in mind that Mexico's immigration laws are not our responsibility, but our own laws certainly are. Therefore, discussion of Mexico's immigration laws is irrelevant to this topic.

You might also remember the inscription on the Statue of Liberty, because it says something quite valuable about who WE are, regardless of how other nations behave.

by: AlanP2

07-29-2010 @ 10:37pm

Of course let us not mention that Mexico's expects the U.S. to permit illegal immigration while their immigration laws are very restrictive and heavily enforced.

by: BuckeyeDon

07-30-2010 @ 12:21am

False analogy.

by: BloodBought357

07-30-2010 @ 12:13am

There seem to be a good number of people that think this is nothing but a way of treating a group of people wrong. If so we need to open the doors of all jails and prisons and let the whole group out.

by: kansasmennonite

07-29-2010 @ 11:46pm

So what's your solution ferret? Can you export all of them? Can you as a christian split their families? Is that ok with you?

Maybe things are screwed up because of you?

by: BloodBought357

07-29-2010 @ 11:41pm

This is my first posting on the site so if I make some small mistake in edicites please forgive me.
There seems to be a whole in the debate about this issue. What part of ILLEGLE is there that some of you don't seem to understand. First if these people had not broken the law before they did when the crossed international boraders and that is a thing that our government does not have total control over. Large influnce yes but not control. But the thing that supprizes me most that so many Christian are speaking out on behalf of an openly illigal act. Yes, Christ >Yahsewa< did not advocate braking the excepted law of the land even though it would cost him his life. The ones he spoke out about were the Sanhedren and other timpel officials that were themselves breaking their own laws. >See any simularities here< Lets not lose sight the centrial question are our boarders open to all no matter how they cross them. If so lets send a letter of apoligy to the Talaband, the Army of Jahud and every other illigal we have deported.
If the law is not applied equally then it is no law at all. I am a disabled Vietnam COMBAT veteran that is not receiving full compensation but still working for the good of this great country of ours. If you have ever dealt with a large number of these illigals you will find they think more of their Latino heratige than they do American. In addition, when it comes to Afro-American, of which I am one, it is even worse.
Having spent over 400 years in opressed conditions and slavery, my people have always supported this country. We have never been in any Army that opposed this country but any people that come to this country are treated better than the Afro-Americans are.
These are not sour grapes just facts and I see very few of them being used in this fight to make crimanels not be responsible for their acts.
Loving yours
Minister BloodBought357

by: kansasmennonite

07-29-2010 @ 11:40pm

How many lives would the revolution take?

by: Charles Kiker

06-20-2011 @ 8:28am

LinkedIn

------------

This is a reminder that on June 7, Charles Kiker sent you an invitation to become part of his or her professional network at LinkedIn.

Follow this link to accept Charles Kiker's invitation.

https://www.linkedin.com/e/-z0...

Signing up is free and takes less than a minute.

by: once

07-30-2010 @ 3:40am

A study put together by the Center for American Progress is suspect to be supportive of their agenda.

by: plusultra12

07-29-2010 @ 11:25pm

I apologize. I was wrong. I forgot this was a postmodern site and you are not allowed to make statements of truth. Please forgive me.

Sent from my iPad

by: once

07-30-2010 @ 3:40am

A study put together by the Center for American Progress is suspect to be supportive of their agenda.

by: BloodBought357

07-30-2010 @ 3:14am

Ever mind-boggling the hoop jumping is, ever how many delays, and how much paperwork is involved, it is still the law. 100 years ago my people were still in devacto slavry and there was no great out cry about that for a great while.

I don't think this should be a reason for anyone else to go through the same thing but give me a break.

One last thing to this comment. Have you lived in a place where the Mexican population a majority minority? Southern CA is a good example. If not try it then tell me if you still feel the same

by: BloodBought357

07-30-2010 @ 3:14am

Ever mind-boggling the hoop jumping is, ever how many delays, and how much paperwork is involved, it is still the law. 100 years ago my people were still in devacto slavry and there was no great out cry about that for a great while.

I don't think this should be a reason for anyone else to go through the same thing but give me a break.

One last thing to this comment. Have you lived in a place where the Mexican population a majority minority? Southern CA is a good example. If not try it then tell me if you still feel the same

by: liberalthinker

07-30-2010 @ 2:43am

I think you had better do some research. Immigrants 100 years ago could be rejected for something as simple as "pink eye".

by: liberalthinker

07-30-2010 @ 2:43am

I think you had better do some research. Immigrants 100 years ago could be rejected for something as simple as "pink eye".

by: BloodBought357

07-30-2010 @ 1:14am

I am having a little trouble with my PC just now but will be back on the forum.
However I don't see much on this subject but OPOThere is a person I know, Yashua (Jesus), that takes care of all His children,
so I hope He is taking care of you.TO GOD BE THE GLORYTry this link: www.bloodbought357.faithweb.com
My site.

________________________________

by: Patricia

07-30-2010 @ 4:04am

I'm flagging this comment - your insinuation RE "Mexicans" is prejudicial and stereotypical.

by: RealMainer

07-30-2010 @ 1:12am

The immigration issue is one of the toughest moral decisions our country is facing, and I feel myself being pulled in both directions. The question I struggle with is this: do we, as Americans, have a right to establish an immigration policy that preserves the character of our nation?

I truly feel for those who risk everything to come here illegally because they believe it is the only way that they can provide for their family. And certainly most of them are decent, hardworking people and didn't come to collect welfare. I also reject the notion of some secret plot to fundamentally change our society. But I can't help feeling that this is a threat to our heritage and culture. Although they are not coming with malicious intentions of destroying America, is that not what they have the potential to do? The immigration policy that so many of you seem to be calling for as justice would have half of Latin America applying for US citizenship, with American culture, society, traditions, and values nearly unrecognizable by mid century. Is it wrong to want the America that I love, my home, to remain as it is?

by: Patricia

07-30-2010 @ 4:04am

I'm flagging this comment - your insinuation RE "Mexicans" is prejudicial and stereotypical.

Comments sorted by highest rated. After voting you must refresh your page to see the sort order change.

by: davintosh

07-29-2010 @ 8:14pm

So what is the definition of "true reform of our immigration system"? Our immigration system, as it has evolved over time, has served the country well, but now that we are faced with an overwhelming number of people who have chosen to enter the country illegally, does "true reform" mean wholesale amnesty? Arizona's law only helped enforce existing federal law, it didn't preempt a jot or tittle. And my opinion is that if a state or municipality is willing and able to enforce that which the federal government is unwilling or incapable of enforcing, more power to them.

There already exists a path to citizenship, and it's followed by many people every day. That path was followed by the ancestors of most all of the people reading your column, and using the "the opponents are the children, grandchildren, great-grandchildren, or great-great-grandchildren of immigrants" argument is pure BS. Those people who are in this country illegally are called "illegal aliens" for a reason. Anyone who has gone to the trouble of achieving citizenship through the legal route can only be disgusted by those who chose to do otherwise.

I challenge you to prove the validity of this statement: "Most of these people's ancestors would not have been able to immigrate legally under our current system."

by: davintosh

07-29-2010 @ 8:14pm

So what is the definition of "true reform of our immigration system"? Our immigration system, as it has evolved over time, has served the country well, but now that we are faced with an overwhelming number of people who have chosen to enter the country illegally, does "true reform" mean wholesale amnesty? Arizona's law only helped enforce existing federal law, it didn't preempt a jot or tittle. And my opinion is that if a state or municipality is willing and able to enforce that which the federal government is unwilling or incapable of enforcing, more power to them.

There already exists a path to citizenship, and it's followed by many people every day. That path was followed by the ancestors of most all of the people reading your column, and using the "the opponents are the children, grandchildren, great-grandchildren, or great-great-grandchildren of immigrants" argument is pure BS. Those people who are in this country illegally are called "illegal aliens" for a reason. Anyone who has gone to the trouble of achieving citizenship through the legal route can only be disgusted by those who chose to do otherwise.

I challenge you to prove the validity of this statement: "Most of these people's ancestors would not have been able to immigrate legally under our current system."

by: plusultra12

07-29-2010 @ 8:19pm

First of all, Paul says in 1 Timothy 2:12, I do not allow a women to teach or hold authority over a man. So a women reverend is against the basic teachings of Christianity. If you don't like that join another religion where they do permit women to hold authority (good luck on that one), but don't try to change Christianity to make it conform to you sinful idolatry. Secondly do I get to choose which laws in this country I want to follow? I don't think so. That would lead to anarchy. Those who entered this country illegally knew the risks which might even lead to their family being split up. I don't blame them for trying to leave the corrupt hell hole that is Mexico, but if they would enter legally, I would welcome them with open arms. If we need more cheap labor, let's make it easier for them to come in legally. Most of these illegals are not treated very well for sure with no benefits or minimum wage. Lets do this the right way. Those who are already here should have a path to citizenship without the risk of being deported. But we need to stop the illegals coming in first.

by: plusultra12

07-29-2010 @ 8:19pm

First of all, Paul says in 1 Timothy 2:12, I do not allow a women to teach or hold authority over a man. So a women reverend is against the basic teachings of Christianity. If you don't like that join another religion where they do permit women to hold authority (good luck on that one), but don't try to change Christianity to make it conform to you sinful idolatry. Secondly do I get to choose which laws in this country I want to follow? I don't think so. That would lead to anarchy. Those who entered this country illegally knew the risks which might even lead to their family being split up. I don't blame them for trying to leave the corrupt hell hole that is Mexico, but if they would enter legally, I would welcome them with open arms. If we need more cheap labor, let's make it easier for them to come in legally. Most of these illegals are not treated very well for sure with no benefits or minimum wage. Lets do this the right way. Those who are already here should have a path to citizenship without the risk of being deported. But we need to stop the illegals coming in first.

by: plusultra12

07-29-2010 @ 8:19pm

First of all, Paul says in 1 Timothy 2:12, I do not allow a women to teach or hold authority over a man. So a women reverend is against the basic teachings of Christianity. If you don't like that join another religion where they do permit women to hold authority (good luck on that one), but don't try to change Christianity to make it conform to you sinful idolatry. Secondly do I get to choose which laws in this country I want to follow? I don't think so. That would lead to anarchy. Those who entered this country illegally knew the risks which might even lead to their family being split up. I don't blame them for trying to leave the corrupt hell hole that is Mexico, but if they would enter legally, I would welcome them with open arms. If we need more cheap labor, let's make it easier for them to come in legally. Most of these illegals are not treated very well for sure with no benefits or minimum wage. Lets do this the right way. Those who are already here should have a path to citizenship without the risk of being deported. But we need to stop the illegals coming in first.

by: Steve Cagle

07-29-2010 @ 8:20pm

I am conflicted by this law and by the arguments of those both for and against it. Those who are against it and who seem to be pushing for the retaking of the Southwest by the illegal immigration of Mexican citizens have a very naive view of the situation. They portray the illegal immigrants as innocent victims of poverty in Mexico who merely want a better life in the U.S. While this is partially true, the reality is that there is another class of illegal who also wants to improve their economic situation by making lots of money in the U.S.: violent drug gang members!

A nation cannot remain a nation if it can't control its borders. The violence south of the border is overwhelming and there is a great fear it could bring down the Mexican government. Corruption is rampant and the violence is beyond even what is going on in Iraq at this time! Without control over the border, the region and those entering the U.S., this violence will come to the U.S. - beyond what already has. Violent gangs like MS-13 are already operating in cities across the U.S. Allowing illegals to remain here invites these gangs to grow.

As far as "carrying papers," I would remind people that we all have to carry a driver's license to operate a motor vehicle. If a cop stops a car and nobody in it has a driver's license, that is a pretty good indicator that more checking to verify immigration/citizenship status is needed. This entire "show me your papers" stuff doesn't match reality - we DO have to show our papers (license or ID) for a variety of everyday transactions.

The best proposal I've seen for immigration reform came from Ruben Navarrette Jr. It includes a means for illegals to obtain legal status, for guest workers, for sanctions against employers who hire and often take advantage of illegals, for deporting criminal illegals, and for creating a secure ID so we can verify who is who and whether they're here legally - not to mention cutting down on ID theft!

This issue can be worked out, but one side has to put away its xenophobia and the other has to grow-up from its naiveté.

by: Steve Cagle

07-29-2010 @ 8:20pm

I am conflicted by this law and by the arguments of those both for and against it. Those who are against it and who seem to be pushing for the retaking of the Southwest by the illegal immigration of Mexican citizens have a very naive view of the situation. They portray the illegal immigrants as innocent victims of poverty in Mexico who merely want a better life in the U.S. While this is partially true, the reality is that there is another class of illegal who also wants to improve their economic situation by making lots of money in the U.S.: violent drug gang members!

A nation cannot remain a nation if it can't control its borders. The violence south of the border is overwhelming and there is a great fear it could bring down the Mexican government. Corruption is rampant and the violence is beyond even what is going on in Iraq at this time! Without control over the border, the region and those entering the U.S., this violence will come to the U.S. - beyond what already has. Violent gangs like MS-13 are already operating in cities across the U.S. Allowing illegals to remain here invites these gangs to grow.

As far as "carrying papers," I would remind people that we all have to carry a driver's license to operate a motor vehicle. If a cop stops a car and nobody in it has a driver's license, that is a pretty good indicator that more checking to verify immigration/citizenship status is needed. This entire "show me your papers" stuff doesn't match reality - we DO have to show our papers (license or ID) for a variety of everyday transactions.

The best proposal I've seen for immigration reform came from Ruben Navarrette Jr. It includes a means for illegals to obtain legal status, for guest workers, for sanctions against employers who hire and often take advantage of illegals, for deporting criminal illegals, and for creating a secure ID so we can verify who is who and whether they're here legally - not to mention cutting down on ID theft!

This issue can be worked out, but one side has to put away its xenophobia and the other has to grow-up from its naiveté.

by: Steve Cagle

07-29-2010 @ 8:20pm

I am conflicted by this law and by the arguments of those both for and against it. Those who are against it and who seem to be pushing for the retaking of the Southwest by the illegal immigration of Mexican citizens have a very naive view of the situation. They portray the illegal immigrants as innocent victims of poverty in Mexico who merely want a better life in the U.S. While this is partially true, the reality is that there is another class of illegal who also wants to improve their economic situation by making lots of money in the U.S.: violent drug gang members!

A nation cannot remain a nation if it can't control its borders. The violence south of the border is overwhelming and there is a great fear it could bring down the Mexican government. Corruption is rampant and the violence is beyond even what is going on in Iraq at this time! Without control over the border, the region and those entering the U.S., this violence will come to the U.S. - beyond what already has. Violent gangs like MS-13 are already operating in cities across the U.S. Allowing illegals to remain here invites these gangs to grow.

As far as "carrying papers," I would remind people that we all have to carry a driver's license to operate a motor vehicle. If a cop stops a car and nobody in it has a driver's license, that is a pretty good indicator that more checking to verify immigration/citizenship status is needed. This entire "show me your papers" stuff doesn't match reality - we DO have to show our papers (license or ID) for a variety of everyday transactions.

The best proposal I've seen for immigration reform came from Ruben Navarrette Jr. It includes a means for illegals to obtain legal status, for guest workers, for sanctions against employers who hire and often take advantage of illegals, for deporting criminal illegals, and for creating a secure ID so we can verify who is who and whether they're here legally - not to mention cutting down on ID theft!

This issue can be worked out, but one side has to put away its xenophobia and the other has to grow-up from its naiveté.

by: BuckeyeDon

07-29-2010 @ 8:22pm

"I challenge you to prove the validity of this statement: 'Most of these people's ancestors would not have been able to immigrate legally under our current system.'"

Your challenge doesn't require much "proof," davintosh. Not just the "path to citizenship" but the path to legal residency, as it exists today, is fraught with delays, paperwork, and mind-boggling hoop jumping. And that's for people who have US citizen spouses. Ask me how I know? I have students who fit into that category, and they have told me some stories. It's almost as if the immigration system is designed to make people so frustrated they give up trying to get legal status.

Ask an immigration lawyer sometime to tell you some stories about processing papers for legal immigrants.

Contrast that with the way it was 100 years ago. Almost anyone who could make it to our shores was allowed to say. The only people who were denied entry at Ellis Island were those who had a criminal record and those who had a communicable disease like tuberculosis--about two percent of the total. There was no such thing as an "illegal immigrant" in 1910, or any period before that or after that, until the 1920s when the nativists finally succeeded in putting immigration restrictions in place.

by: BuckeyeDon

07-29-2010 @ 8:22pm

"I challenge you to prove the validity of this statement: 'Most of these people's ancestors would not have been able to immigrate legally under our current system.'"

Your challenge doesn't require much "proof," davintosh. Not just the "path to citizenship" but the path to legal residency, as it exists today, is fraught with delays, paperwork, and mind-boggling hoop jumping. And that's for people who have US citizen spouses. Ask me how I know? I have students who fit into that category, and they have told me some stories. It's almost as if the immigration system is designed to make people so frustrated they give up trying to get legal status.

Ask an immigration lawyer sometime to tell you some stories about processing papers for legal immigrants.

Contrast that with the way it was 100 years ago. Almost anyone who could make it to our shores was allowed to say. The only people who were denied entry at Ellis Island were those who had a criminal record and those who had a communicable disease like tuberculosis--about two percent of the total. There was no such thing as an "illegal immigrant" in 1910, or any period before that or after that, until the 1920s when the nativists finally succeeded in putting immigration restrictions in place.

by: SwaziJohn

07-29-2010 @ 8:48pm

Please be more careful with the words you use !! "Fight" is a very alarming word, quite literally !! "Struggle" or "contest" convey much the same meaning, but with much less sting. As apprentices of Jesus we are seeking truth and understanding, as He always did, not to crush opponents, as He never did.

by: SwaziJohn

07-29-2010 @ 8:48pm

Please be more careful with the words you use !! "Fight" is a very alarming word, quite literally !! "Struggle" or "contest" convey much the same meaning, but with much less sting. As apprentices of Jesus we are seeking truth and understanding, as He always did, not to crush opponents, as He never did.

by: SwaziJohn

07-29-2010 @ 8:48pm

Please be more careful with the words you use !! "Fight" is a very alarming word, quite literally !! "Struggle" or "contest" convey much the same meaning, but with much less sting. As apprentices of Jesus we are seeking truth and understanding, as He always did, not to crush opponents, as He never did.

by: alberto83

07-29-2010 @ 8:50pm

A popular uprising is needed in Mexico. With the US a safety valve for dispossessed Mexicans, the much-needed revolution in Mexico will not take place. Put up meaningful barriers to prevent illegal entry by Mexicans and the Mexican government will have not choice but to change.

Once the undocumented immigrants from Mexico can no longer enter the US the problem will virtually solve itself given the high percentage of undocumented immigrants that come from Mexico.

Support the Zapatistas!

by: alberto83

07-29-2010 @ 8:50pm

A popular uprising is needed in Mexico. With the US a safety valve for dispossessed Mexicans, the much-needed revolution in Mexico will not take place. Put up meaningful barriers to prevent illegal entry by Mexicans and the Mexican government will have not choice but to change.

Once the undocumented immigrants from Mexico can no longer enter the US the problem will virtually solve itself given the high percentage of undocumented immigrants that come from Mexico.

Support the Zapatistas!

by: alberto83

07-29-2010 @ 8:50pm

A popular uprising is needed in Mexico. With the US a safety valve for dispossessed Mexicans, the much-needed revolution in Mexico will not take place. Put up meaningful barriers to prevent illegal entry by Mexicans and the Mexican government will have not choice but to change.

Once the undocumented immigrants from Mexico can no longer enter the US the problem will virtually solve itself given the high percentage of undocumented immigrants that come from Mexico.

Support the Zapatistas!

by: WaveTossed

07-29-2010 @ 9:09pm

Buckeye Don wrote: "Your challenge doesn't require much 'proof,' davintosh. Not just the 'path to citizenship' but the path to legal residency, as it exists today, is fraught with delays, paperwork, and mind-boggling hoop jumping. And that's for people who have US citizen spouses. Ask me how I know? I have students who fit into that category, and they have told me some stories. It's almost as if the immigration system is designed to make people so frustrated they give up trying to get legal status.

"Ask an immigration lawyer sometime to tell you some stories about processing papers for legal immigrants."

Buckeye Don, here we agree. The reality is that people who want to come to the U.S. legally have to wait months, years, and sometimes even decades to get the "legal" papers. This is because of the bureaucratic backlog that politicians have absolutely no political will to correct. In reality, much of the anti-"illegal"-immigrant movement is an anti-immigrant movement. I have yet seen or heard calls from the anti-"illegal"-immigrant people call for streamlining our system to rid it of these onerous backlogs. All most of them talk about is "build fences and walls, put barb-wire up, require everyone to carry legal papers," etc.

There are wildly-inaccurate protrayals about how "illegal" immigrants come to the U.S. because they all want welfare or Medicaid or public schooling -- they don't want to work. Or else they are all violent members of drug cartels who come to the U.S. to shoot each other and innocent U.S. citizens.

The truth is, even if most don't wish to believe it, is that the vast majority of immigrants, whether "legal" or not, have come here to work and earn money to support themselves and their families -- not to get free welfare or to carry out drug gang wars.

by: WaveTossed

07-29-2010 @ 9:09pm

Buckeye Don wrote: "Your challenge doesn't require much 'proof,' davintosh. Not just the 'path to citizenship' but the path to legal residency, as it exists today, is fraught with delays, paperwork, and mind-boggling hoop jumping. And that's for people who have US citizen spouses. Ask me how I know? I have students who fit into that category, and they have told me some stories. It's almost as if the immigration system is designed to make people so frustrated they give up trying to get legal status.

"Ask an immigration lawyer sometime to tell you some stories about processing papers for legal immigrants."

Buckeye Don, here we agree. The reality is that people who want to come to the U.S. legally have to wait months, years, and sometimes even decades to get the "legal" papers. This is because of the bureaucratic backlog that politicians have absolutely no political will to correct. In reality, much of the anti-"illegal"-immigrant movement is an anti-immigrant movement. I have yet seen or heard calls from the anti-"illegal"-immigrant people call for streamlining our system to rid it of these onerous backlogs. All most of them talk about is "build fences and walls, put barb-wire up, require everyone to carry legal papers," etc.

There are wildly-inaccurate protrayals about how "illegal" immigrants come to the U.S. because they all want welfare or Medicaid or public schooling -- they don't want to work. Or else they are all violent members of drug cartels who come to the U.S. to shoot each other and innocent U.S. citizens.

The truth is, even if most don't wish to believe it, is that the vast majority of immigrants, whether "legal" or not, have come here to work and earn money to support themselves and their families -- not to get free welfare or to carry out drug gang wars.

by: WaveTossed

07-29-2010 @ 9:09pm

Buckeye Don wrote: "Your challenge doesn't require much 'proof,' davintosh. Not just the 'path to citizenship' but the path to legal residency, as it exists today, is fraught with delays, paperwork, and mind-boggling hoop jumping. And that's for people who have US citizen spouses. Ask me how I know? I have students who fit into that category, and they have told me some stories. It's almost as if the immigration system is designed to make people so frustrated they give up trying to get legal status.

"Ask an immigration lawyer sometime to tell you some stories about processing papers for legal immigrants."

Buckeye Don, here we agree. The reality is that people who want to come to the U.S. legally have to wait months, years, and sometimes even decades to get the "legal" papers. This is because of the bureaucratic backlog that politicians have absolutely no political will to correct. In reality, much of the anti-"illegal"-immigrant movement is an anti-immigrant movement. I have yet seen or heard calls from the anti-"illegal"-immigrant people call for streamlining our system to rid it of these onerous backlogs. All most of them talk about is "build fences and walls, put barb-wire up, require everyone to carry legal papers," etc.

There are wildly-inaccurate protrayals about how "illegal" immigrants come to the U.S. because they all want welfare or Medicaid or public schooling -- they don't want to work. Or else they are all violent members of drug cartels who come to the U.S. to shoot each other and innocent U.S. citizens.

The truth is, even if most don't wish to believe it, is that the vast majority of immigrants, whether "legal" or not, have come here to work and earn money to support themselves and their families -- not to get free welfare or to carry out drug gang wars.

by: BuckeyeDon

07-29-2010 @ 9:24pm

I had a student from England once. She met an American, they fell in love, and wanted to get married. She applied to the US immigration authorities for a "fiancee" visa. They told her it would take at least six months to process the paperwork, and there was no guarantee that it would be approved. Not wanting to run the risk that she might not be approved, she came to the US on a tourist visa. While she was here, they got married. I think she's a legal resident now. And she was from ENGLAND!!!

A friend of my brother-in-law met a woman in El Salvador. They decided to get married there. Now he's having trouble getting approval to bring her to the US.

These things would not have happened 100 years ago. As I said, if they could get themselves to Ellis Island and weren't excludable for the reasons I mentioned, they were given their immigrant papers on the spot.

There is no doubt that many of our ancestors might not have been allowed in if the current system had been in place!

by: BuckeyeDon

07-29-2010 @ 9:24pm

I had a student from England once. She met an American, they fell in love, and wanted to get married. She applied to the US immigration authorities for a "fiancee" visa. They told her it would take at least six months to process the paperwork, and there was no guarantee that it would be approved. Not wanting to run the risk that she might not be approved, she came to the US on a tourist visa. While she was here, they got married. I think she's a legal resident now. And she was from ENGLAND!!!

A friend of my brother-in-law met a woman in El Salvador. They decided to get married there. Now he's having trouble getting approval to bring her to the US.

These things would not have happened 100 years ago. As I said, if they could get themselves to Ellis Island and weren't excludable for the reasons I mentioned, they were given their immigrant papers on the spot.

There is no doubt that many of our ancestors might not have been allowed in if the current system had been in place!

by: BuckeyeDon

07-29-2010 @ 9:24pm

I had a student from England once. She met an American, they fell in love, and wanted to get married. She applied to the US immigration authorities for a "fiancee" visa. They told her it would take at least six months to process the paperwork, and there was no guarantee that it would be approved. Not wanting to run the risk that she might not be approved, she came to the US on a tourist visa. While she was here, they got married. I think she's a legal resident now. And she was from ENGLAND!!!

A friend of my brother-in-law met a woman in El Salvador. They decided to get married there. Now he's having trouble getting approval to bring her to the US.

These things would not have happened 100 years ago. As I said, if they could get themselves to Ellis Island and weren't excludable for the reasons I mentioned, they were given their immigrant papers on the spot.

There is no doubt that many of our ancestors might not have been allowed in if the current system had been in place!

by: BuckeyeDon

07-29-2010 @ 9:28pm

The more cynical part of me thinks that politicians who don't really want any immigration allowed at all are behind the bureaucratic delays and hoop-jumping in order to make it hard for any immigrants to get their legal papers.

by: BuckeyeDon

07-29-2010 @ 9:28pm

The more cynical part of me thinks that politicians who don't really want any immigration allowed at all are behind the bureaucratic delays and hoop-jumping in order to make it hard for any immigrants to get their legal papers.

by: BuckeyeDon

07-29-2010 @ 9:28pm

The more cynical part of me thinks that politicians who don't really want any immigration allowed at all are behind the bureaucratic delays and hoop-jumping in order to make it hard for any immigrants to get their legal papers.

by: Bud Huffman

07-29-2010 @ 9:59pm

No civilized nation on earth allows unrestricted immigration. our FIRST task is to stop the flow of illegal immigrants even as we develop a new policy on immigration.

Many view 15 million illegals as an invasion. Stopping that illegal flow will do much to allay fears in that segment of the population.

We should hammer out a CONSENSUS then on what our immigration policy should be.

by: Bud Huffman

07-29-2010 @ 9:59pm

No civilized nation on earth allows unrestricted immigration. our FIRST task is to stop the flow of illegal immigrants even as we develop a new policy on immigration.

Many view 15 million illegals as an invasion. Stopping that illegal flow will do much to allay fears in that segment of the population.

We should hammer out a CONSENSUS then on what our immigration policy should be.

by: nuclearferret

07-29-2010 @ 10:09pm

I hope the realist part of you realizes it is primarily a dysfunctional bureaucracy that needs to create employment for more civil servants.

by: nuclearferret

07-29-2010 @ 10:09pm

I hope the realist part of you realizes it is primarily a dysfunctional bureaucracy that needs to create employment for more civil servants.

by: nuclearferret

07-29-2010 @ 10:09pm

I hope the realist part of you realizes it is primarily a dysfunctional bureaucracy that needs to create employment for more civil servants.

by: nuclearferret

07-29-2010 @ 10:11pm

Only a screwed-up country would consider the first step on the path to citizenship to be to break the laws of the country the individuals come to.

by: nuclearferret

07-29-2010 @ 10:11pm

Only a screwed-up country would consider the first step on the path to citizenship to be to break the laws of the country the individuals come to.

by: nuclearferret

07-29-2010 @ 10:11pm

Only a screwed-up country would consider the first step on the path to citizenship to be to break the laws of the country the individuals come to.

by: AdolphusL

07-29-2010 @ 10:18pm

I am not going to take time to look up the details, but it is a known fact that the quotas for immigration are quite restrictive. And, the demand for workers is fairly high. Thus, we have a lot of people overstaying temporary visas, etc. I saw a CNN story last night about illegals who pick grapes. The overseer of one vineyard said that no American citizen has every applied for a job to his knowledge. There are some things Americans will not do, and many agriculture jobs are at the head of the list. Also, it is a fact that mostly this country has always needed a working "underclass" to do the tough labor, whether it was building railroads, picking apples and tomatoes, gardening, or working construction jobs. We need them now; that is the reason they are here as illegals. It is time to get some sense and justice into the immigration law.

by: AdolphusL

07-29-2010 @ 10:18pm

I am not going to take time to look up the details, but it is a known fact that the quotas for immigration are quite restrictive. And, the demand for workers is fairly high. Thus, we have a lot of people overstaying temporary visas, etc. I saw a CNN story last night about illegals who pick grapes. The overseer of one vineyard said that no American citizen has every applied for a job to his knowledge. There are some things Americans will not do, and many agriculture jobs are at the head of the list. Also, it is a fact that mostly this country has always needed a working "underclass" to do the tough labor, whether it was building railroads, picking apples and tomatoes, gardening, or working construction jobs. We need them now; that is the reason they are here as illegals. It is time to get some sense and justice into the immigration law.

by: AdolphusL

07-29-2010 @ 10:18pm

I am not going to take time to look up the details, but it is a known fact that the quotas for immigration are quite restrictive. And, the demand for workers is fairly high. Thus, we have a lot of people overstaying temporary visas, etc. I saw a CNN story last night about illegals who pick grapes. The overseer of one vineyard said that no American citizen has every applied for a job to his knowledge. There are some things Americans will not do, and many agriculture jobs are at the head of the list. Also, it is a fact that mostly this country has always needed a working "underclass" to do the tough labor, whether it was building railroads, picking apples and tomatoes, gardening, or working construction jobs. We need them now; that is the reason they are here as illegals. It is time to get some sense and justice into the immigration law.

by: Patricia

07-29-2010 @ 10:19pm

I'm going to flag this comment...there are Christian denominations that ordain women, and accusing someone of "trying to change Christianity to make it conform to you (sic) sinful idolatry" violates the COC.

Thanks.

by: Patricia

07-29-2010 @ 10:19pm

I'm going to flag this comment...there are Christian denominations that ordain women, and accusing someone of "trying to change Christianity to make it conform to you (sic) sinful idolatry" violates the COC.

Thanks.

by: Patricia

07-29-2010 @ 10:19pm

I'm going to flag this comment...there are Christian denominations that ordain women, and accusing someone of "trying to change Christianity to make it conform to you (sic) sinful idolatry" violates the COC.

Thanks.

by: BuckeyeDon

07-29-2010 @ 10:20pm

by: BuckeyeDon

07-29-2010 @ 10:20pm

by: BuckeyeDon

07-29-2010 @ 10:21pm

Thanks, Patricia. I thought about this also.

by: BuckeyeDon

07-29-2010 @ 10:21pm

Thanks, Patricia. I thought about this also.

by: AlanP2

07-29-2010 @ 10:37pm

Of course let us not mention that Mexico's expects the U.S. to permit illegal immigration while their immigration laws are very restrictive and heavily enforced.

by: AlanP2

07-29-2010 @ 10:37pm

Of course let us not mention that Mexico's expects the U.S. to permit illegal immigration while their immigration laws are very restrictive and heavily enforced.

by: AlanP2

07-29-2010 @ 10:37pm

Of course let us not mention that Mexico's expects the U.S. to permit illegal immigration while their immigration laws are very restrictive and heavily enforced.

by: BuckeyeDon

07-29-2010 @ 10:47pm

Let's also keep in mind that Mexico's immigration laws are not our responsibility, but our own laws certainly are. Therefore, discussion of Mexico's immigration laws is irrelevant to this topic.

You might also remember the inscription on the Statue of Liberty, because it says something quite valuable about who WE are, regardless of how other nations behave.

by: BuckeyeDon

07-29-2010 @ 10:47pm

Let's also keep in mind that Mexico's immigration laws are not our responsibility, but our own laws certainly are. Therefore, discussion of Mexico's immigration laws is irrelevant to this topic.

You might also remember the inscription on the Statue of Liberty, because it says something quite valuable about who WE are, regardless of how other nations behave.

by: plusultra12

07-29-2010 @ 11:25pm

I apologize. I was wrong. I forgot this was a postmodern site and you are not allowed to make statements of truth. Please forgive me.

Sent from my iPad

by: plusultra12

07-29-2010 @ 11:25pm

I apologize. I was wrong. I forgot this was a postmodern site and you are not allowed to make statements of truth. Please forgive me.

Sent from my iPad