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The Parable of Shirley Sherrod

The Shirley Sherrod incident, the latest stumble in our nation's clumsy dance with race, should be the one that finally breaks us out of our rut of racial dysfunction and shows us that we've got to change our moves if we're ever going to advance to a more meaningful discourse on the subject race relations in America.

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But it won't be.

We'll continue to play our respective race cards, working ourselves into stalemates of anger and cynicism ... casting blame and derision on others over perceived slights, both real and imagined ... barricading ourselves behind walls of suspicion and resentment. And the end result: We'll continue to be just as clueless and divided as we were before.

Post-racial? Ha! More like post-human, as we've become comfortable with the practice of turning people who are different from us or with whom we disagree into ugly labels, devils that we can rightfully attack or simply ignore.

Just look at conservative activist Andrew Breitbart's statements after he falsely depicted Sherrod as a racist on his popular blog. "I could care less about Shirley Sherrod, to be honest with you," he told Fox News without a trace of shame or remorse. His concern was defending the honor of his right-wing compatriots after the NAACP came out a week earlier with its pronouncement against the "racist elements" within the Tea Party movement. He said, "This is about tarring the American people and the Tea Party movement with the false charge of racism."

The sad irony in this latest debacle is that Shirley Sherrod is a woman whose story actually points to a more positive and hopeful way of addressing our racial struggles. The video of Sherrod that Breitbart posted on his site showed only two-and-a-half minutes of Sherrod's 40-minute speech to an audience of NAACP members. Taken out of context, the former USDA employee seemed to be boasting of her unwillingness to help a white farmer. But viewed in full, the video shows a woman courageously confessing her own past prejudices and how she learned to overcome them. (And Breitbart's claim that her audience was cheering on her "racist" story just doesn't stand up against an objective viewing of the tape -- what's more, it may also reflect Breitbart's unfamiliarity with the call-and-response nature of many African-American oratorical events.)

The bottom line: Sherrod wasn't preaching racism but racial reconciliation. Sadly, Breitbart could care less about any of that. And that's precisely the problem that we face when we make politics more important than people.

Of course, Breitbart isn't the only one who came out smelling stinky. The NAACP leadership, apparently wanting to affirm its political objectivity after challenging the Tea Party on race, was too quick to condemn Sherrod, even though one would presume it, more than anyone else, would take the time to review the full video of a speech from an NAACP event.

And then there's the Obama administration. Wanting to avoid the ever-present Obama-likes-blacks-better-than-whites charge on a day when the president signed a historic financial reform bill, the Department of Agriculture put the squeeze on Sherrod to resign from her USDA position without even the courtesy of a hearing on the matter.

Race has become like the toxic fear gas that the Scarecrow unleashes on Gotham City in Christopher Nolan's first Batman film. Just the mention of the word sets off all manner of paranoia and irrational behavior.

The truth is, there's good news and bad. The good news is that things have improved significantly, and the doors of opportunity are open more widely than ever before to people of all races and backgrounds. The bad news is that the scars of slavery and segregation run deeper than any of us could ever know, and they continue to impact everything from our educational system to our understanding of marriage and family. Politics often force us to emphasize one of these truths to the exclusion of the other. But until we give equal weight to both of those realities, we'll fail as a nation to bring honest, credible, and cooperative efforts to the task of undoing the damage of the past and embracing the promise of the future.

What Shirley Sherrod's story teaches is that both of these perspectives can coexist. And, indeed, they must in order for us to move forward in a fruitful and authentic fashion.

A few additional lessons from the Sherrod incident ...

Calling a white person a "racist" has in many ways become the equivalent of calling a black person a nigger. White people are tired of being repeatedly cast as the villains in our nation's racial drama, especially when it seems political correctness forbids them from broaching racial topics while blacks and other ethnic groups are free to bash whites for their racial prejudice. This perception of a double standard looms large in our dealings with race, and it will hinder our efforts at progress unless we're all able to engage in frank communication about these tough subjects without fear of being labeled a racist.

At the same time, black people are tired of whites refusing to see the implications of race on their daily lives. Earlier in our nation's history, blacks were forced to view the world in racialized terms, while whites could take their skin color and the social benefits it afforded for granted. While things have changed for the better, the legacy of past injustices still affects the way many people of color see the world. And for them, talking about race is simply acknowledging the obvious. It doesn't mean we're being racist, but as was the case with Mrs. Sherrod, it may mean we're wrestling with the fallout of those past injustices.

Finally, as we engage each other across racial and cultural lines on these difficult subjects, we must start thinking less in terms of racism and more in terms of sin. Many take issue with the notion that there's such a thing as "reverse racism," because the balance of power in this nation would need to have always been equal in order for that to be true. While those matters remain a topic for honest debate, for Christians one thing is indisputable: We all stand on level ground when it comes to sin. The Bible says we have all sinned and fallen short of the glory of God (Romans 3:23). When we acknowledge that, we realize that we are all guilty of stereotyping, of falsely accusing our neighbor, of harboring prejudice, suspicion, and ill will toward those who are not from our particular interest group.

We have to be willing to rediscover the true meaning of Jesus' command to love our neighbor, that it's not some hackneyed truism or the cute poetry of a Middle Eastern hippie. Loving the Lord our God with all our heart, soul, and mind and loving our neighbor as we love ourselves is at the center of everything we're supposed to be about as Christians, and those Americans who argue that we are a Christian nation should be the first ones living out this "love your neighbor as yourself" truth. Unfortunately, when ideology becomes our idol, disregarding our neighbor can become the acceptable thing to do, especially if the story about something she did two decades ago can be conveniently manipulated to make our political point.

portrait-edward-gilbreathEdward Gilbreath is director of editorial for Urban Ministries Inc., editor of UrbanFaith.com, and the author of Reconciliation Blues: A Black Evangelical's Inside View of White Christianity. He blogs at Reconciliation Blog. This article is provided through a partnership with Urban Faith.

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by: Howard_Eagle

08-07-2010 @ 3:16am

The article is well written, and obviously quite thoughtful.

There are a couple of potential discrepancies:

1) "Calling a white person a "racist" has in many ways become the equivalent of calling a black person a nigger. White people are tired of being repeatedly cast as the villains in our nation's racial drama, especially when it seems political correctness forbids them from broaching racial topics while blacks and other ethnic groups are free to bash whites for their racial prejudice. This perception of a double standard looms large in our dealings with race, and it will hinder our efforts at progress unless we're all able to engage in frank communication about these tough subjects without fear of being labeled a racist."

On the one hand the author advocates the need to "engage in frank communication about these tough subjects," but on the other hand suggests limitations. For example, if it is inappropriate to point out if someone is being "racist" --- then how does that translate into "frank communication?" In my humble view, if we are to really engage in frank and meaningful discussion, it is not inappropriate for black people, white people, or anyone else to point out racism. However, it is incumbent upon people who level such serious charges to be able to clearly explain why --- just as it is incumbent upon those who are being charged to at least listen, and then rebut the charges if they disagree. In other words, there's only one way to discuss racism, and that is by actually discussing (as opposed to dancing around) it.

2) "We have to be willing to rediscover the true meaning of Jesus' command to love our neighbor, that it's not some hackneyed truism or the cute poetry of a Middle Eastern hippie. Loving the Lord our God with all our heart, soul, and mind and loving our neighbor as we love ourselves is at the center of everything we're supposed to be about as Christians..."

This line of thinking is great --- if people are Christians, but what about those who subscribe to other religious beliefs, or those who don't subscribe to organized religion at all? Are they to be excluded from our much-needed "frank communication," or is it necessary to convert them before they can participate? My point is that those who do not subscribe to a particular religious philosophy or belief system (Christianity in this case) --- are not likely to accept guidance in accordance with an exclusive set of beliefs or principles. Thus, I believe that much-needed, open, honest, consistent, on-going dialogue around individual and institutionalized racism, which incidentally are inseparable from one another --- needs to be based on the universal principle of respect for humanity --- regardless of our religious and/or political philosophies and belief systems.

by: Howard_Eagle

08-07-2010 @ 3:16am

The article is well written, and obviously quite thoughtful.

There are a couple of potential discrepancies:

1) "Calling a white person a "racist" has in many ways become the equivalent of calling a black person a nigger. White people are tired of being repeatedly cast as the villains in our nation's racial drama, especially when it seems political correctness forbids them from broaching racial topics while blacks and other ethnic groups are free to bash whites for their racial prejudice. This perception of a double standard looms large in our dealings with race, and it will hinder our efforts at progress unless we're all able to engage in frank communication about these tough subjects without fear of being labeled a racist."

On the one hand the author advocates the need to "engage in frank communication about these tough subjects," but on the other hand suggests limitations. For example, if it is inappropriate to point out if someone is being "racist" --- then how does that translate into "frank communication?" In my humble view, if we are to really engage in frank and meaningful discussion, it is not inappropriate for black people, white people, or anyone else to point out racism. However, it is incumbent upon people who level such serious charges to be able to clearly explain why --- just as it is incumbent upon those who are being charged to at least listen, and then rebut the charges if they disagree. In other words, there's only one way to discuss racism, and that is by actually discussing (as opposed to dancing around) it.

2) "We have to be willing to rediscover the true meaning of Jesus' command to love our neighbor, that it's not some hackneyed truism or the cute poetry of a Middle Eastern hippie. Loving the Lord our God with all our heart, soul, and mind and loving our neighbor as we love ourselves is at the center of everything we're supposed to be about as Christians..."

This line of thinking is great --- if people are Christians, but what about those who subscribe to other religious beliefs, or those who don't subscribe to organized religion at all? Are they to be excluded from our much-needed "frank communication," or is it necessary to convert them before they can participate? My point is that those who do not subscribe to a particular religious philosophy or belief system (Christianity in this case) --- are not likely to accept guidance in accordance with an exclusive set of beliefs or principles. Thus, I believe that much-needed, open, honest, consistent, on-going dialogue around individual and institutionalized racism, which incidentally are inseparable from one another --- needs to be based on the universal principle of respect for humanity --- regardless of our religious and/or political philosophies and belief systems.

by: SamHamilton

08-02-2010 @ 9:33pm

Palosaari

by: SamHamilton

08-02-2010 @ 9:33pm

Palosaari

by: Patricia

08-03-2010 @ 2:54pm

Yes, look what's happened since the word "socialism" became untethered from accurate meaning!

Language is always changing and definitions may change over time, but there are times when consensual (as in consensus) accuracy is vital to maintaining truthful communication and dialogue.

Most dictionaries do a fine job at keeping fingers on the pulse of language usage. We do need objective, accurate definitions, especially for potentially inflammatory terminology.

by: Patricia

08-03-2010 @ 2:54pm

Yes, look what's happened since the word "socialism" became untethered from accurate meaning!

Language is always changing and definitions may change over time, but there are times when consensual (as in consensus) accuracy is vital to maintaining truthful communication and dialogue.

Most dictionaries do a fine job at keeping fingers on the pulse of language usage. We do need objective, accurate definitions, especially for potentially inflammatory terminology.

by: letjusticerolldown

07-31-2010 @ 12:24am

PS I very much appreciated your piece Mr Gilbreath. Fine writing that spells issues out clearly, concisely with an attitude of Christ.

by: letjusticerolldown

07-31-2010 @ 12:02am

Strangely, the hypersensitive, politically correct, rules of public speech (strange for a culture that engages in so much harsh, cynical, degrading, unmeasured, and uncensored public speech) has bankrupted the public culture of its ability to converse on the matter.

One would think "politically correct" speech might put a shiny facade on a stinky reality. It produced a stinky public facade while millions of Shirley Sherrod's seem to find relationships, redemption and a portion of reconciliation in their own lives

However, almost everyone that complains about the way various parties deal with the public dialogue, has options to break the back of such dysfunction.

We can listen alot more. Forgive. Understand more than seek to be understood. We can refuse to enable the shouting matches.

by: SamHamilton

07-30-2010 @ 11:53pm

This is a well written and thoughtful commentary. It gives us a good place to start and think. It fits well with something else I read today. I recommend this commentary from The Root by Tereance Samuel and the Jim Webb op-ed that the author refers to: http://www.theroot.com/views/white-privilege-mythSamuel writes: Jim Webb may be right about diversity programs, but his arguments are politically nuanced and historically layered, and as a result will not matter. The discussion of race is America has a long history of impermeability to nuance and subtlety: The history is long and painful, and the arguments on each side are too sharply honed and too well-refined to admit any common ground with the opposition. There remains a huge empathy gap about what is important to the other side.We can't have an honest discussion of race if people on both sides are going to try to exploit any and everything anyone says for either political gain or to show that the other side doesn't hold to whatever the current PC sensibilities are. I'd like to see an honest discussion of race and think some Americans are up to it, but I know our national media and many political pundits, opportunists, and general rabble rousers on the left and right aren't.Thank you Edward for making an attempt at an honest dialogue. Hopefully others will follow.On the Shirley Sherrod issue, I feel sorry for her. She lost her job because of a whole host of issues that have nothing to do with her or what she said. She was a pawn in a battle between two sides with the same mentality, which is to let nothing get in the way of demonizing the other side for political gain.

by: Bungarra

07-31-2010 @ 9:17am

Interesting, in some parts of the world such an action as this would be considered a criminal act of defamation with at the very least substantial damages and even jail time. Question is "where does free speech end?"

Perhaps a bit more 'eye for eye' in as much as the target has been badly hurt just to satisfy some ones lust for power. If you buy a lemon car or get sick from bad food, one can take action against the company.

by: SamHamilton

07-31-2010 @ 6:19pm

We have laws against defamation here too. I'm not a legal expert, so I'm not absolutely certain they would apply to this case. From what I've read, Brietbart posted excerpts from Sherrod's own speech online. I'm not defending his motives, but I'm not sure using someone's own words against them rises to the level of defamation. But I've heard she has plans to sue him, so we'll see what the courts say.

by: Palosaari

07-31-2010 @ 11:10pm

A confession and growth afterward has for a long time been the center of the Evangelical Christian tradition of the testimony. You would think Evangelicals would appreciate this. But they were too quick to jump on Shirley, attacking her *for* her testimonial- as quick as they are to attack Obama and question his authenticity as a Christian, despite he being *the very first Christian convert in Presidential history*.

But I take exception to your suggestion that a white being called racist is the same as a black being called the n-word. The n-word is loaded with power, with rape. It is not possible for those of a minority to be racist, because it is about power. Blacks can be *prejudice*, and that is wrong, but that is not the same thing as being racist. As one of those white people, I accept that in fact I am racist, because I operate within a social framework where I have the privilege and power, and I am not always aware of that, and I reap the benefits from that, and no matter how much I try, I don't do enough to counter that. Whether or not I sin at a moment, I am still a sinner, for I still operate in the power structures of sin. Likewise, whether or not I act racially at any given moment, I still operate within the power structures of racism, and on the side of power. I am white, therefore I am racist.

And incidentally, Jesus was not on my side.

by: SamHamilton

08-01-2010 @ 1:01am

I'm interested in your definition of "racist." From where does it come? It's not the definition commonly used nor is it the dictionary definition. Perhaps under your definition all white people are racists and no racial minority in a given geographical area can be. But under the definition commonly used and that contained in virtually every dictionary all white people are not racists and racial minorities can be racists.

It will be difficult to have a discussion about race and racism if terms are redefined to mean something they don't commonly mean.

by: BlueDeacon

08-01-2010 @ 4:17am

I don't entirely agree that minorities cannot be racist because they lack "power" -- and I say that as such a minority. I was basically taught to resent, mistrust and fear the white race, but when I got to know such people and saw that they could possibly even love me I began to change my thinking. Part of the problem is that very focus on power -- that if everything were "equal" we would gain respect; the trouble is that equality without relationship does nothing to lower the temperature.

by: Patricia

08-01-2010 @ 5:15am

"...to attack Obama and question his authenticity as a Christian, despite he being *the very first Christian convert in Presidential history*."

What are you talking about?

As far as I know, President Obama has ALWAYS been a Christian.

If you are maintaining he was not, provide your source documentation, please.

by: squeaky

08-01-2010 @ 6:45am

No one is always a Christian. We are all converts. But I am not sure what he means bc we have had several presidents who are christians, eg Jimmy Carter.

by: Palosaari

08-01-2010 @ 1:22pm

Patricia: I am surprised you don't know. He grew up in an atheist/agnostic family. I am not meaning in any way to detract from the conversions of people like Bush II and others- those were genuine conversions, as far as I know. What I meant to say, is that Obama is the very first conversion by someone who was not raised in the Christian faith, even nominally. There are other Presidents who were raised with only nominal Christian belief and stayed that way, and still others who became atheist or agnostic or deist, like Jefferson, or left the faith in all but name. Still others like Bush II were raised in Christianity but never made a commitment to Jesus until they were adults. But no one else was raised outside the faith and made a decision as an adult to follow Christ.

As for evidence, the best would be his testimony, which is basically what Dreams of My Father is. I would strongly recommend reading that book- it's incredibly well written.

by: Palosaari

08-01-2010 @ 1:15pm

This is where I would say (by your statement here) that you were *prejudiced*, not racist. While both are bad, we reserve racism for a power play in the same way that we reserve rape for that. It is a term that we use specifically to denote power, because it brings with it extra, or greater, sins, beyond mere prejudice.

And I completely agree with your wise words- equality without relationship does nothing, except for eventually bringing the group without power into a position of power where they can recapitulate racism and continue the bloody cycle.

by: Palosaari

08-01-2010 @ 1:12pm

Actually, it is the standard sociological definition of racism. If it is not the definition commonly used these days, that can't really be helped. That's like complaining that evolution isn't true because the anti-scientific commonly-used definition doesn't make sense. It *is* difficult to hold a discussion with people about evolution when they don't use the definition that scientific experts are using. But we do not ask the scientists to change their definitions to suit those who don't understand the basics of biology.

So, no, I don't have a definition. But under the definition of racism, since racism is by definition with those in power, in areas where whites have the power, they are the ones that can be racist. As a completely separate point, yes, the power structure is such that we are racist when we are whites and are in power. And yes, in most areas of the world, white people have the power.

However, if you go to some place like China, quite obviously whites would not be capable of racism. Just prejudice.

by: Palosaari

08-01-2010 @ 4:18pm

No question. Sin is sin, and prejudice abounds everywhere. But if I hate a man because of his religion or skin, and live in a shack, my hate extends only so far. If I run a country, I am Hitler, and well... It is not as if blacks are somehow better than whites. It is merely a matter of who has the power. Despite a black President in the US, recent events clearly remind us that it is not as if blacks suddenly now have power, despite some very clever Daily Show skits. But in the future, the near future, when whites are in the minority in the US, we need to be wary of this. Not of a "black takeover", but of the danger to our souls when any group is in power.

And since racism is an institutional sin, a Winkian Powers issue, as I said above, even if I carry no prejudice against blacks (as a white man), I still participate and reap the benefits of a racist society, and therefore am racist, because I am in the group of power. Despite the great imperialism and colonialism of whites over the last 500 years, it is not as if there is some inherent sin in the "white race". It is merely that, until the rise of the Chinese Century, whites have been in power. And with great power not only comes great responsibility, as Stan Lee reminds us, but also comes great opportunity for sin.

by: BlueDeacon

08-01-2010 @ 3:52pm

In truth, however, were the tables turned and blacks had "power" I suggest that they would be as bad as the whites. I actually heard more "Archie Bunker-type" rhetoric from my dad than from any white person, and I also remember the death of Amy Biehl, the grad student hacked to death in South Africa by black militants solely because she was white.

by: duhsciple

08-01-2010 @ 8:14pm

I thought the president's father was Muslim and his mother was atheist. My memory is that he did not grow up as a Christian, but was, in fact, a convert. I understand that his favorite theologian was R. Niebuhr. Peace

by: duhsciple

08-01-2010 @ 9:35pm

Thanks for the clarification!

by: letjusticerolldown

07-31-2010 @ 12:24am

PS I very much appreciated your piece Mr Gilbreath. Fine writing that spells issues out clearly, concisely with an attitude of Christ.

by: BuckeyeDon

08-01-2010 @ 8:59pm

Your comment about Neibuhr is correct.

by: letjusticerolldown

07-31-2010 @ 12:02am

Strangely, the hypersensitive, politically correct, rules of public speech (strange for a culture that engages in so much harsh, cynical, degrading, unmeasured, and uncensored public speech) has bankrupted the public culture of its ability to converse on the matter.

One would think "politically correct" speech might put a shiny facade on a stinky reality. It produced a stinky public facade while millions of Shirley Sherrod's seem to find relationships, redemption and a portion of reconciliation in their own lives

However, almost everyone that complains about the way various parties deal with the public dialogue, has options to break the back of such dysfunction.

We can listen alot more. Forgive. Understand more than seek to be understood. We can refuse to enable the shouting matches.

by: BuckeyeDon

08-01-2010 @ 8:58pm

His father was born into a Muslim family but he wasn't a practicing Muslim. In Dreams of My Father, Barack indicates that his father had become an atheist in practice.

After his parents divorced, his mother married an Indonesian and they moved to Indonesia, where he was enrolled in a multi-religious private school. His step-father enrolled him as a "Muslim" (because he himself was Muslim), which means the religion courses he took were related to Islam. This is one place where at least some of the false rumors that he's Muslim come from. But he never became a Muslim. Furthermore, he only spent one year in that school; after that, the family enrolled him in a Catholic school.

As already mentioned, it wasn't until he was an adult that he began practicing any religion seriously, and he was baptized as a Christian.

by: SamHamilton

07-30-2010 @ 11:53pm

This is a well written and thoughtful commentary. It gives us a good place to start and think. It fits well with something else I read today. I recommend this commentary from The Root by Tereance Samuel and the Jim Webb op-ed that the author refers to: http://www.theroot.com/views/white-privilege-mythSamuel writes: Jim Webb may be right about diversity programs, but his arguments are politically nuanced and historically layered, and as a result will not matter. The discussion of race is America has a long history of impermeability to nuance and subtlety: The history is long and painful, and the arguments on each side are too sharply honed and too well-refined to admit any common ground with the opposition. There remains a huge empathy gap about what is important to the other side.We can't have an honest discussion of race if people on both sides are going to try to exploit any and everything anyone says for either political gain or to show that the other side doesn't hold to whatever the current PC sensibilities are. I'd like to see an honest discussion of race and think some Americans are up to it, but I know our national media and many political pundits, opportunists, and general rabble rousers on the left and right aren't.Thank you Edward for making an attempt at an honest dialogue. Hopefully others will follow.On the Shirley Sherrod issue, I feel sorry for her. She lost her job because of a whole host of issues that have nothing to do with her or what she said. She was a pawn in a battle between two sides with the same mentality, which is to let nothing get in the way of demonizing the other side for political gain.

by: Patricia

08-01-2010 @ 8:33pm

Thanks to you and Palosaari too...yet another menopausal brain cramp exhibiting itself as CRS syndrome :)!

by: letjusticerolldown

08-01-2010 @ 11:42pm

Many of the "blacks are racists too crowd", I believe use the term as meaning "having a crappy and prejudicial attitude towards a race.

Others use "racism" in a way that is beyond attitude. It includes putting that attitude into action. We can only act if we have power to act. Hence, specifying that one must have power to be racist.

The mistake and disservice is done by not recognizing that we all have a certain amount of power; and we are responsible to steward that power. The fact another might have greater power does not excuse us from responsibility for how we exert power.

by: BlueDeacon

08-02-2010 @ 1:54am

But if I hate a man because of his religion or skin, and live in a shack, my hate extends only so far. If I run a country, I am Hitler, and well... It is not as if blacks are somehow better than whites. It is merely a matter of who has the power.

The trouble is that, by that standard, the Ku Klux Klan is no longer a racist organization because it has essentially no power today, nor are neo-Nazi groups.

by: Bungarra

07-31-2010 @ 9:17am

Interesting, in some parts of the world such an action as this would be considered a criminal act of defamation with at the very least substantial damages and even jail time. Question is "where does free speech end?"

Perhaps a bit more 'eye for eye' in as much as the target has been badly hurt just to satisfy some ones lust for power. If you buy a lemon car or get sick from bad food, one can take action against the company.

by: SamHamilton

08-02-2010 @ 8:44am

Palosaari

by: BlueDeacon

08-02-2010 @ 2:14pm

Here's something else to consider: I once told a prominent law professor and author -- whom my dad grew up with -- that even if everything were "equal" people will still hate; thus, having myself been in situations where I've had "power," I'm still not convinced that racism has anything to do with that. What we know today as the "religious right" and today's "tea-party" movement basically felt marginalized and were not racist in their own right (though there are of course racial undercurrents in each). Even the Klan was never strictly a racist organization; it basically became obsolete with the rise of the modern conservative movement.

by: Palosaari

08-02-2010 @ 12:40pm

Sam, I am quite confused. When did I talk about climate change, even by analogy? I have looked and I can not find this. Perhaps you can point out to me where this post was?

But, to take the analogy of climate change and climatologists as you have it presented here, actually, dictionary writers are not the experts. Dictionary writers are people who take words from many places and who rely on experts in many disparate fields to define a term. Thus in science we might use a word like "theory" to mean an "all-encompassing idea that explains a large portion of reality supported by a great many facts". The man on the street might have an entirely different definition of theory. I'll wager Webster's has both in it's lexicon. But if we are talking about science, it is inaccurate and even unethical to use the weaker man-on-the-street definition of theory.

Additionally, it is not possible for anyone to be an expert on all words in the dictionary, for there are just so very many fields represented therein. While this was always true, in the modern age it has become increasingly so. So again, the writer of a dictionary relies on the expertise of others.

Rather, if we can't rely on linguists and those who are experts in their respective fields, then we can't have a meaningful discussion.

Where are those expertise? In the colleges and universities, which we rely on to teach our society. There, they teach this definition. If Faux News and others seek to propagate an alternative definition, well, there is nothing that can be done about it. Certainly, language is fluid, and definitions change. But as Lewis pointed out, when we use a word for one meaning when we have a completely adequate word for that meaning already, then the language is weakened, and so is our societal dialogue.

This isn't mere etymology. Mixing up the terms "racism" and "prejudice" allows us to ignore the perniciousness of power structures. It allows us (whites) to say, when true racism is brought to the fore, that, "Oh yeah? You're racist too!" When what we mean is that a given black person is prejudice against whites, etc. While that may be true, the accusation 1) Doesn't deal with the original racism perpetrated by the whites, and 2) Doesn't work towards solving the power structures, which, until resolved, will continue to propagate racism.

We need to remember Walter Wink's maxim. The powers are good. The powers are fallen. The powers can be redeemed. Our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the power structures in the heavenlies themselves. And until we not only defeat them but also transform them, these power structures- be they BP, or the military-industrial complex, or the American banking system, or the white racial hegemony- they will continue to propagate this corporate sin. And just as we recognize that when women are placed in spheres of power the men also are controlled by the power structure they propagate, so also we see that the racial hegemony created by whites (or any group in power) controls and damages whites as well, for in truth that hegemony is a spiritual power structure of evil, that is greater, and lesser, than any artificially-delineated population within our species.

by: Palosaari

08-02-2010 @ 12:02pm

This is a good point, Blue, and it brings out that we can not be so tied to our definitions as to ignore when there are changes. The KKK is prejudice, and no one disagrees with that. As LetJustice just pointed out, this thing of power with racism is a continuum, so that one's degree of power is tied to one's degree of racism. And the KKK certainly has some modicum of power.

But I would say, rather than pointing out one small group (today- although it has grown in numbers of late), we should look at the society as a whole. In America today, whites still rule. And certainly, happily, the in-your-face racism does not prevail. Rather it is a surreptitious insidious form, full of righteous self-denial, grounded in the power structures themselves- and thus the hardest to eradicate.

I have a dream that one day will be fulfilled in the New Earth, where there is no longer any prejudice or racism, for I fear that is only when God rules here as he does now in Heaven, that our power structures can be as perfect as they were in the Garden.

by: Palosaari

08-02-2010 @ 11:51am

His father was Muslim, nominal it appears, and Barack knew him for about two months.

by: SamHamilton

07-31-2010 @ 6:19pm

We have laws against defamation here too. I'm not a legal expert, so I'm not absolutely certain they would apply to this case. From what I've read, Brietbart posted excerpts from Sherrod's own speech online. I'm not defending his motives, but I'm not sure using someone's own words against them rises to the level of defamation. But I've heard she has plans to sue him, so we'll see what the courts say.

by: Palosaari

08-02-2010 @ 4:37pm

I think the Tea Party certainly felt marginalized, but I would argue that the overwhelmingly white organization is actually part of those in power and part of the power structure.

by: SamHamilton

07-31-2010 @ 6:19pm

We have laws against defamation here too. I'm not a legal expert, so I'm not absolutely certain they would apply to this case. From what I've read, Brietbart posted excerpts from Sherrod's own speech online. I'm not defending his motives, but I'm not sure using someone's own words against them rises to the level of defamation. But I've heard she has plans to sue him, so we'll see what the courts say.

by: BlueDeacon

08-02-2010 @ 5:18pm

That's not quite how our political culture works -- in this peculiarly American narrative, everybody is rebelling against the "power structure" (which is why campaigns against "Washington" are de rigueur). A Yugoslavian woman who some years ago worked in my newsroom remarked that only in America do we run against our own government. That's the same ideology that opposed the civil-rights movement and the Great Society because they were fostered by "big government."

by: Palosaari

07-31-2010 @ 11:10pm

A confession and growth afterward has for a long time been the center of the Evangelical Christian tradition of the testimony. You would think Evangelicals would appreciate this. But they were too quick to jump on Shirley, attacking her *for* her testimonial- as quick as they are to attack Obama and question his authenticity as a Christian, despite he being *the very first Christian convert in Presidential history*.

But I take exception to your suggestion that a white being called racist is the same as a black being called the n-word. The n-word is loaded with power, with rape. It is not possible for those of a minority to be racist, because it is about power. Blacks can be *prejudice*, and that is wrong, but that is not the same thing as being racist. As one of those white people, I accept that in fact I am racist, because I operate within a social framework where I have the privilege and power, and I am not always aware of that, and I reap the benefits from that, and no matter how much I try, I don't do enough to counter that. Whether or not I sin at a moment, I am still a sinner, for I still operate in the power structures of sin. Likewise, whether or not I act racially at any given moment, I still operate within the power structures of racism, and on the side of power. I am white, therefore I am racist.

And incidentally, Jesus was not on my side.

by: SamHamilton

08-01-2010 @ 1:01am

I'm interested in your definition of "racist." From where does it come? It's not the definition commonly used nor is it the dictionary definition. Perhaps under your definition all white people are racists and no racial minority in a given geographical area can be. But under the definition commonly used and that contained in virtually every dictionary all white people are not racists and racial minorities can be racists.

It will be difficult to have a discussion about race and racism if terms are redefined to mean something they don't commonly mean.

by: SamHamilton

08-01-2010 @ 1:01am

I'm interested in your definition of "racist." From where does it come? It's not the definition commonly used nor is it the dictionary definition. Perhaps under your definition all white people are racists and no racial minority in a given geographical area can be. But under the definition commonly used and that contained in virtually every dictionary all white people are not racists and racial minorities can be racists.

It will be difficult to have a discussion about race and racism if terms are redefined to mean something they don't commonly mean.

by: BlueDeacon

08-01-2010 @ 4:17am

I don't entirely agree that minorities cannot be racist because they lack "power" -- and I say that as such a minority. I was basically taught to resent, mistrust and fear the white race, but when I got to know such people and saw that they could possibly even love me I began to change my thinking. Part of the problem is that very focus on power -- that if everything were "equal" we would gain respect; the trouble is that equality without relationship does nothing to lower the temperature.

by: BlueDeacon

08-01-2010 @ 4:17am

I don't entirely agree that minorities cannot be racist because they lack "power" -- and I say that as such a minority. I was basically taught to resent, mistrust and fear the white race, but when I got to know such people and saw that they could possibly even love me I began to change my thinking. Part of the problem is that very focus on power -- that if everything were "equal" we would gain respect; the trouble is that equality without relationship does nothing to lower the temperature.

by: Patricia

08-01-2010 @ 5:15am

"...to attack Obama and question his authenticity as a Christian, despite he being *the very first Christian convert in Presidential history*."

What are you talking about?

As far as I know, President Obama has ALWAYS been a Christian.

If you are maintaining he was not, provide your source documentation, please.

by: Patricia

08-01-2010 @ 5:15am

"...to attack Obama and question his authenticity as a Christian, despite he being *the very first Christian convert in Presidential history*."

What are you talking about?

As far as I know, President Obama has ALWAYS been a Christian.

If you are maintaining he was not, provide your source documentation, please.

by: squeaky

08-01-2010 @ 6:45am

No one is always a Christian. We are all converts. But I am not sure what he means bc we have had several presidents who are christians, eg Jimmy Carter.

by: squeaky

08-01-2010 @ 6:45am

No one is always a Christian. We are all converts. But I am not sure what he means bc we have had several presidents who are christians, eg Jimmy Carter.

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by: SamHamilton

07-30-2010 @ 11:53pm

This is a well written and thoughtful commentary. It gives us a good place to start and think. It fits well with something else I read today. I recommend this commentary from The Root by Tereance Samuel and the Jim Webb op-ed that the author refers to: http://www.theroot.com/views/white-privilege-mythSamuel writes: Jim Webb may be right about diversity programs, but his arguments are politically nuanced and historically layered, and as a result will not matter. The discussion of race is America has a long history of impermeability to nuance and subtlety: The history is long and painful, and the arguments on each side are too sharply honed and too well-refined to admit any common ground with the opposition. There remains a huge empathy gap about what is important to the other side.We can't have an honest discussion of race if people on both sides are going to try to exploit any and everything anyone says for either political gain or to show that the other side doesn't hold to whatever the current PC sensibilities are. I'd like to see an honest discussion of race and think some Americans are up to it, but I know our national media and many political pundits, opportunists, and general rabble rousers on the left and right aren't.Thank you Edward for making an attempt at an honest dialogue. Hopefully others will follow.On the Shirley Sherrod issue, I feel sorry for her. She lost her job because of a whole host of issues that have nothing to do with her or what she said. She was a pawn in a battle between two sides with the same mentality, which is to let nothing get in the way of demonizing the other side for political gain.

by: SamHamilton

07-30-2010 @ 11:53pm

This is a well written and thoughtful commentary. It gives us a good place to start and think. It fits well with something else I read today. I recommend this commentary from The Root by Tereance Samuel and the Jim Webb op-ed that the author refers to: http://www.theroot.com/views/white-privilege-mythSamuel writes: Jim Webb may be right about diversity programs, but his arguments are politically nuanced and historically layered, and as a result will not matter. The discussion of race is America has a long history of impermeability to nuance and subtlety: The history is long and painful, and the arguments on each side are too sharply honed and too well-refined to admit any common ground with the opposition. There remains a huge empathy gap about what is important to the other side.We can't have an honest discussion of race if people on both sides are going to try to exploit any and everything anyone says for either political gain or to show that the other side doesn't hold to whatever the current PC sensibilities are. I'd like to see an honest discussion of race and think some Americans are up to it, but I know our national media and many political pundits, opportunists, and general rabble rousers on the left and right aren't.Thank you Edward for making an attempt at an honest dialogue. Hopefully others will follow.On the Shirley Sherrod issue, I feel sorry for her. She lost her job because of a whole host of issues that have nothing to do with her or what she said. She was a pawn in a battle between two sides with the same mentality, which is to let nothing get in the way of demonizing the other side for political gain.

by: letjusticerolldown

07-31-2010 @ 12:02am

Strangely, the hypersensitive, politically correct, rules of public speech (strange for a culture that engages in so much harsh, cynical, degrading, unmeasured, and uncensored public speech) has bankrupted the public culture of its ability to converse on the matter.

One would think "politically correct" speech might put a shiny facade on a stinky reality. It produced a stinky public facade while millions of Shirley Sherrod's seem to find relationships, redemption and a portion of reconciliation in their own lives

However, almost everyone that complains about the way various parties deal with the public dialogue, has options to break the back of such dysfunction.

We can listen alot more. Forgive. Understand more than seek to be understood. We can refuse to enable the shouting matches.

by: letjusticerolldown

07-31-2010 @ 12:02am

Strangely, the hypersensitive, politically correct, rules of public speech (strange for a culture that engages in so much harsh, cynical, degrading, unmeasured, and uncensored public speech) has bankrupted the public culture of its ability to converse on the matter.

One would think "politically correct" speech might put a shiny facade on a stinky reality. It produced a stinky public facade while millions of Shirley Sherrod's seem to find relationships, redemption and a portion of reconciliation in their own lives

However, almost everyone that complains about the way various parties deal with the public dialogue, has options to break the back of such dysfunction.

We can listen alot more. Forgive. Understand more than seek to be understood. We can refuse to enable the shouting matches.

by: letjusticerolldown

07-31-2010 @ 12:24am

PS I very much appreciated your piece Mr Gilbreath. Fine writing that spells issues out clearly, concisely with an attitude of Christ.

by: letjusticerolldown

07-31-2010 @ 12:24am

PS I very much appreciated your piece Mr Gilbreath. Fine writing that spells issues out clearly, concisely with an attitude of Christ.

by: Bungarra

07-31-2010 @ 9:17am

Interesting, in some parts of the world such an action as this would be considered a criminal act of defamation with at the very least substantial damages and even jail time. Question is "where does free speech end?"

Perhaps a bit more 'eye for eye' in as much as the target has been badly hurt just to satisfy some ones lust for power. If you buy a lemon car or get sick from bad food, one can take action against the company.

by: Bungarra

07-31-2010 @ 9:17am

Interesting, in some parts of the world such an action as this would be considered a criminal act of defamation with at the very least substantial damages and even jail time. Question is "where does free speech end?"

Perhaps a bit more 'eye for eye' in as much as the target has been badly hurt just to satisfy some ones lust for power. If you buy a lemon car or get sick from bad food, one can take action against the company.

by: SamHamilton

07-31-2010 @ 6:19pm

We have laws against defamation here too. I'm not a legal expert, so I'm not absolutely certain they would apply to this case. From what I've read, Brietbart posted excerpts from Sherrod's own speech online. I'm not defending his motives, but I'm not sure using someone's own words against them rises to the level of defamation. But I've heard she has plans to sue him, so we'll see what the courts say.

by: SamHamilton

07-31-2010 @ 6:19pm

We have laws against defamation here too. I'm not a legal expert, so I'm not absolutely certain they would apply to this case. From what I've read, Brietbart posted excerpts from Sherrod's own speech online. I'm not defending his motives, but I'm not sure using someone's own words against them rises to the level of defamation. But I've heard she has plans to sue him, so we'll see what the courts say.

by: SamHamilton

07-31-2010 @ 6:19pm

We have laws against defamation here too. I'm not a legal expert, so I'm not absolutely certain they would apply to this case. From what I've read, Brietbart posted excerpts from Sherrod's own speech online. I'm not defending his motives, but I'm not sure using someone's own words against them rises to the level of defamation. But I've heard she has plans to sue him, so we'll see what the courts say.

by: Palosaari

07-31-2010 @ 11:10pm

A confession and growth afterward has for a long time been the center of the Evangelical Christian tradition of the testimony. You would think Evangelicals would appreciate this. But they were too quick to jump on Shirley, attacking her *for* her testimonial- as quick as they are to attack Obama and question his authenticity as a Christian, despite he being *the very first Christian convert in Presidential history*.

But I take exception to your suggestion that a white being called racist is the same as a black being called the n-word. The n-word is loaded with power, with rape. It is not possible for those of a minority to be racist, because it is about power. Blacks can be *prejudice*, and that is wrong, but that is not the same thing as being racist. As one of those white people, I accept that in fact I am racist, because I operate within a social framework where I have the privilege and power, and I am not always aware of that, and I reap the benefits from that, and no matter how much I try, I don't do enough to counter that. Whether or not I sin at a moment, I am still a sinner, for I still operate in the power structures of sin. Likewise, whether or not I act racially at any given moment, I still operate within the power structures of racism, and on the side of power. I am white, therefore I am racist.

And incidentally, Jesus was not on my side.

by: Palosaari

07-31-2010 @ 11:10pm

A confession and growth afterward has for a long time been the center of the Evangelical Christian tradition of the testimony. You would think Evangelicals would appreciate this. But they were too quick to jump on Shirley, attacking her *for* her testimonial- as quick as they are to attack Obama and question his authenticity as a Christian, despite he being *the very first Christian convert in Presidential history*.

But I take exception to your suggestion that a white being called racist is the same as a black being called the n-word. The n-word is loaded with power, with rape. It is not possible for those of a minority to be racist, because it is about power. Blacks can be *prejudice*, and that is wrong, but that is not the same thing as being racist. As one of those white people, I accept that in fact I am racist, because I operate within a social framework where I have the privilege and power, and I am not always aware of that, and I reap the benefits from that, and no matter how much I try, I don't do enough to counter that. Whether or not I sin at a moment, I am still a sinner, for I still operate in the power structures of sin. Likewise, whether or not I act racially at any given moment, I still operate within the power structures of racism, and on the side of power. I am white, therefore I am racist.

And incidentally, Jesus was not on my side.

by: SamHamilton

08-01-2010 @ 1:01am

I'm interested in your definition of "racist." From where does it come? It's not the definition commonly used nor is it the dictionary definition. Perhaps under your definition all white people are racists and no racial minority in a given geographical area can be. But under the definition commonly used and that contained in virtually every dictionary all white people are not racists and racial minorities can be racists.

It will be difficult to have a discussion about race and racism if terms are redefined to mean something they don't commonly mean.

by: SamHamilton

08-01-2010 @ 1:01am

I'm interested in your definition of "racist." From where does it come? It's not the definition commonly used nor is it the dictionary definition. Perhaps under your definition all white people are racists and no racial minority in a given geographical area can be. But under the definition commonly used and that contained in virtually every dictionary all white people are not racists and racial minorities can be racists.

It will be difficult to have a discussion about race and racism if terms are redefined to mean something they don't commonly mean.

by: SamHamilton

08-01-2010 @ 1:01am

I'm interested in your definition of "racist." From where does it come? It's not the definition commonly used nor is it the dictionary definition. Perhaps under your definition all white people are racists and no racial minority in a given geographical area can be. But under the definition commonly used and that contained in virtually every dictionary all white people are not racists and racial minorities can be racists.

It will be difficult to have a discussion about race and racism if terms are redefined to mean something they don't commonly mean.

by: BlueDeacon

08-01-2010 @ 4:17am

I don't entirely agree that minorities cannot be racist because they lack "power" -- and I say that as such a minority. I was basically taught to resent, mistrust and fear the white race, but when I got to know such people and saw that they could possibly even love me I began to change my thinking. Part of the problem is that very focus on power -- that if everything were "equal" we would gain respect; the trouble is that equality without relationship does nothing to lower the temperature.

by: BlueDeacon

08-01-2010 @ 4:17am

I don't entirely agree that minorities cannot be racist because they lack "power" -- and I say that as such a minority. I was basically taught to resent, mistrust and fear the white race, but when I got to know such people and saw that they could possibly even love me I began to change my thinking. Part of the problem is that very focus on power -- that if everything were "equal" we would gain respect; the trouble is that equality without relationship does nothing to lower the temperature.

by: BlueDeacon

08-01-2010 @ 4:17am

I don't entirely agree that minorities cannot be racist because they lack "power" -- and I say that as such a minority. I was basically taught to resent, mistrust and fear the white race, but when I got to know such people and saw that they could possibly even love me I began to change my thinking. Part of the problem is that very focus on power -- that if everything were "equal" we would gain respect; the trouble is that equality without relationship does nothing to lower the temperature.

by: Patricia

08-01-2010 @ 5:15am

"...to attack Obama and question his authenticity as a Christian, despite he being *the very first Christian convert in Presidential history*."

What are you talking about?

As far as I know, President Obama has ALWAYS been a Christian.

If you are maintaining he was not, provide your source documentation, please.

by: Patricia

08-01-2010 @ 5:15am

"...to attack Obama and question his authenticity as a Christian, despite he being *the very first Christian convert in Presidential history*."

What are you talking about?

As far as I know, President Obama has ALWAYS been a Christian.

If you are maintaining he was not, provide your source documentation, please.

by: Patricia

08-01-2010 @ 5:15am

"...to attack Obama and question his authenticity as a Christian, despite he being *the very first Christian convert in Presidential history*."

What are you talking about?

As far as I know, President Obama has ALWAYS been a Christian.

If you are maintaining he was not, provide your source documentation, please.

by: squeaky

08-01-2010 @ 6:45am

No one is always a Christian. We are all converts. But I am not sure what he means bc we have had several presidents who are christians, eg Jimmy Carter.

by: squeaky

08-01-2010 @ 6:45am

No one is always a Christian. We are all converts. But I am not sure what he means bc we have had several presidents who are christians, eg Jimmy Carter.

by: squeaky

08-01-2010 @ 6:45am

No one is always a Christian. We are all converts. But I am not sure what he means bc we have had several presidents who are christians, eg Jimmy Carter.

by: Palosaari

08-01-2010 @ 1:12pm

Actually, it is the standard sociological definition of racism. If it is not the definition commonly used these days, that can't really be helped. That's like complaining that evolution isn't true because the anti-scientific commonly-used definition doesn't make sense. It *is* difficult to hold a discussion with people about evolution when they don't use the definition that scientific experts are using. But we do not ask the scientists to change their definitions to suit those who don't understand the basics of biology.

So, no, I don't have a definition. But under the definition of racism, since racism is by definition with those in power, in areas where whites have the power, they are the ones that can be racist. As a completely separate point, yes, the power structure is such that we are racist when we are whites and are in power. And yes, in most areas of the world, white people have the power.

However, if you go to some place like China, quite obviously whites would not be capable of racism. Just prejudice.

by: Palosaari

08-01-2010 @ 1:12pm

Actually, it is the standard sociological definition of racism. If it is not the definition commonly used these days, that can't really be helped. That's like complaining that evolution isn't true because the anti-scientific commonly-used definition doesn't make sense. It *is* difficult to hold a discussion with people about evolution when they don't use the definition that scientific experts are using. But we do not ask the scientists to change their definitions to suit those who don't understand the basics of biology.

So, no, I don't have a definition. But under the definition of racism, since racism is by definition with those in power, in areas where whites have the power, they are the ones that can be racist. As a completely separate point, yes, the power structure is such that we are racist when we are whites and are in power. And yes, in most areas of the world, white people have the power.

However, if you go to some place like China, quite obviously whites would not be capable of racism. Just prejudice.

by: Palosaari

08-01-2010 @ 1:12pm

Actually, it is the standard sociological definition of racism. If it is not the definition commonly used these days, that can't really be helped. That's like complaining that evolution isn't true because the anti-scientific commonly-used definition doesn't make sense. It *is* difficult to hold a discussion with people about evolution when they don't use the definition that scientific experts are using. But we do not ask the scientists to change their definitions to suit those who don't understand the basics of biology.

So, no, I don't have a definition. But under the definition of racism, since racism is by definition with those in power, in areas where whites have the power, they are the ones that can be racist. As a completely separate point, yes, the power structure is such that we are racist when we are whites and are in power. And yes, in most areas of the world, white people have the power.

However, if you go to some place like China, quite obviously whites would not be capable of racism. Just prejudice.

by: Palosaari

08-01-2010 @ 1:15pm

This is where I would say (by your statement here) that you were *prejudiced*, not racist. While both are bad, we reserve racism for a power play in the same way that we reserve rape for that. It is a term that we use specifically to denote power, because it brings with it extra, or greater, sins, beyond mere prejudice.

And I completely agree with your wise words- equality without relationship does nothing, except for eventually bringing the group without power into a position of power where they can recapitulate racism and continue the bloody cycle.

by: Palosaari

08-01-2010 @ 1:15pm

This is where I would say (by your statement here) that you were *prejudiced*, not racist. While both are bad, we reserve racism for a power play in the same way that we reserve rape for that. It is a term that we use specifically to denote power, because it brings with it extra, or greater, sins, beyond mere prejudice.

And I completely agree with your wise words- equality without relationship does nothing, except for eventually bringing the group without power into a position of power where they can recapitulate racism and continue the bloody cycle.

by: Palosaari

08-01-2010 @ 1:15pm

This is where I would say (by your statement here) that you were *prejudiced*, not racist. While both are bad, we reserve racism for a power play in the same way that we reserve rape for that. It is a term that we use specifically to denote power, because it brings with it extra, or greater, sins, beyond mere prejudice.

And I completely agree with your wise words- equality without relationship does nothing, except for eventually bringing the group without power into a position of power where they can recapitulate racism and continue the bloody cycle.

by: Palosaari

08-01-2010 @ 1:22pm

Patricia: I am surprised you don't know. He grew up in an atheist/agnostic family. I am not meaning in any way to detract from the conversions of people like Bush II and others- those were genuine conversions, as far as I know. What I meant to say, is that Obama is the very first conversion by someone who was not raised in the Christian faith, even nominally. There are other Presidents who were raised with only nominal Christian belief and stayed that way, and still others who became atheist or agnostic or deist, like Jefferson, or left the faith in all but name. Still others like Bush II were raised in Christianity but never made a commitment to Jesus until they were adults. But no one else was raised outside the faith and made a decision as an adult to follow Christ.

As for evidence, the best would be his testimony, which is basically what Dreams of My Father is. I would strongly recommend reading that book- it's incredibly well written.

by: Palosaari

08-01-2010 @ 1:22pm

Patricia: I am surprised you don't know. He grew up in an atheist/agnostic family. I am not meaning in any way to detract from the conversions of people like Bush II and others- those were genuine conversions, as far as I know. What I meant to say, is that Obama is the very first conversion by someone who was not raised in the Christian faith, even nominally. There are other Presidents who were raised with only nominal Christian belief and stayed that way, and still others who became atheist or agnostic or deist, like Jefferson, or left the faith in all but name. Still others like Bush II were raised in Christianity but never made a commitment to Jesus until they were adults. But no one else was raised outside the faith and made a decision as an adult to follow Christ.

As for evidence, the best would be his testimony, which is basically what Dreams of My Father is. I would strongly recommend reading that book- it's incredibly well written.

by: Palosaari

08-01-2010 @ 1:22pm

Patricia: I am surprised you don't know. He grew up in an atheist/agnostic family. I am not meaning in any way to detract from the conversions of people like Bush II and others- those were genuine conversions, as far as I know. What I meant to say, is that Obama is the very first conversion by someone who was not raised in the Christian faith, even nominally. There are other Presidents who were raised with only nominal Christian belief and stayed that way, and still others who became atheist or agnostic or deist, like Jefferson, or left the faith in all but name. Still others like Bush II were raised in Christianity but never made a commitment to Jesus until they were adults. But no one else was raised outside the faith and made a decision as an adult to follow Christ.

As for evidence, the best would be his testimony, which is basically what Dreams of My Father is. I would strongly recommend reading that book- it's incredibly well written.

by: BlueDeacon

08-01-2010 @ 3:52pm

In truth, however, were the tables turned and blacks had "power" I suggest that they would be as bad as the whites. I actually heard more "Archie Bunker-type" rhetoric from my dad than from any white person, and I also remember the death of Amy Biehl, the grad student hacked to death in South Africa by black militants solely because she was white.

by: BlueDeacon

08-01-2010 @ 3:52pm

In truth, however, were the tables turned and blacks had "power" I suggest that they would be as bad as the whites. I actually heard more "Archie Bunker-type" rhetoric from my dad than from any white person, and I also remember the death of Amy Biehl, the grad student hacked to death in South Africa by black militants solely because she was white.

by: BlueDeacon

08-01-2010 @ 3:52pm

In truth, however, were the tables turned and blacks had "power" I suggest that they would be as bad as the whites. I actually heard more "Archie Bunker-type" rhetoric from my dad than from any white person, and I also remember the death of Amy Biehl, the grad student hacked to death in South Africa by black militants solely because she was white.

by: Palosaari

08-01-2010 @ 4:18pm

No question. Sin is sin, and prejudice abounds everywhere. But if I hate a man because of his religion or skin, and live in a shack, my hate extends only so far. If I run a country, I am Hitler, and well... It is not as if blacks are somehow better than whites. It is merely a matter of who has the power. Despite a black President in the US, recent events clearly remind us that it is not as if blacks suddenly now have power, despite some very clever Daily Show skits. But in the future, the near future, when whites are in the minority in the US, we need to be wary of this. Not of a "black takeover", but of the danger to our souls when any group is in power.

And since racism is an institutional sin, a Winkian Powers issue, as I said above, even if I carry no prejudice against blacks (as a white man), I still participate and reap the benefits of a racist society, and therefore am racist, because I am in the group of power. Despite the great imperialism and colonialism of whites over the last 500 years, it is not as if there is some inherent sin in the "white race". It is merely that, until the rise of the Chinese Century, whites have been in power. And with great power not only comes great responsibility, as Stan Lee reminds us, but also comes great opportunity for sin.

by: Palosaari

08-01-2010 @ 4:18pm

No question. Sin is sin, and prejudice abounds everywhere. But if I hate a man because of his religion or skin, and live in a shack, my hate extends only so far. If I run a country, I am Hitler, and well... It is not as if blacks are somehow better than whites. It is merely a matter of who has the power. Despite a black President in the US, recent events clearly remind us that it is not as if blacks suddenly now have power, despite some very clever Daily Show skits. But in the future, the near future, when whites are in the minority in the US, we need to be wary of this. Not of a "black takeover", but of the danger to our souls when any group is in power.

And since racism is an institutional sin, a Winkian Powers issue, as I said above, even if I carry no prejudice against blacks (as a white man), I still participate and reap the benefits of a racist society, and therefore am racist, because I am in the group of power. Despite the great imperialism and colonialism of whites over the last 500 years, it is not as if there is some inherent sin in the "white race". It is merely that, until the rise of the Chinese Century, whites have been in power. And with great power not only comes great responsibility, as Stan Lee reminds us, but also comes great opportunity for sin.

by: Palosaari

08-01-2010 @ 4:18pm

No question. Sin is sin, and prejudice abounds everywhere. But if I hate a man because of his religion or skin, and live in a shack, my hate extends only so far. If I run a country, I am Hitler, and well... It is not as if blacks are somehow better than whites. It is merely a matter of who has the power. Despite a black President in the US, recent events clearly remind us that it is not as if blacks suddenly now have power, despite some very clever Daily Show skits. But in the future, the near future, when whites are in the minority in the US, we need to be wary of this. Not of a "black takeover", but of the danger to our souls when any group is in power.

And since racism is an institutional sin, a Winkian Powers issue, as I said above, even if I carry no prejudice against blacks (as a white man), I still participate and reap the benefits of a racist society, and therefore am racist, because I am in the group of power. Despite the great imperialism and colonialism of whites over the last 500 years, it is not as if there is some inherent sin in the "white race". It is merely that, until the rise of the Chinese Century, whites have been in power. And with great power not only comes great responsibility, as Stan Lee reminds us, but also comes great opportunity for sin.

by: duhsciple

08-01-2010 @ 8:14pm

I thought the president's father was Muslim and his mother was atheist. My memory is that he did not grow up as a Christian, but was, in fact, a convert. I understand that his favorite theologian was R. Niebuhr. Peace

by: duhsciple

08-01-2010 @ 8:14pm

I thought the president's father was Muslim and his mother was atheist. My memory is that he did not grow up as a Christian, but was, in fact, a convert. I understand that his favorite theologian was R. Niebuhr. Peace

by: duhsciple

08-01-2010 @ 8:14pm

I thought the president's father was Muslim and his mother was atheist. My memory is that he did not grow up as a Christian, but was, in fact, a convert. I understand that his favorite theologian was R. Niebuhr. Peace

by: Patricia

08-01-2010 @ 8:33pm

Thanks to you and Palosaari too...yet another menopausal brain cramp exhibiting itself as CRS syndrome :)!

by: Patricia

08-01-2010 @ 8:33pm

Thanks to you and Palosaari too...yet another menopausal brain cramp exhibiting itself as CRS syndrome :)!

by: Patricia

08-01-2010 @ 8:33pm

Thanks to you and Palosaari too...yet another menopausal brain cramp exhibiting itself as CRS syndrome :)!

by: BuckeyeDon

08-01-2010 @ 8:58pm

His father was born into a Muslim family but he wasn't a practicing Muslim. In Dreams of My Father, Barack indicates that his father had become an atheist in practice.

After his parents divorced, his mother married an Indonesian and they moved to Indonesia, where he was enrolled in a multi-religious private school. His step-father enrolled him as a "Muslim" (because he himself was Muslim), which means the religion courses he took were related to Islam. This is one place where at least some of the false rumors that he's Muslim come from. But he never became a Muslim. Furthermore, he only spent one year in that school; after that, the family enrolled him in a Catholic school.

As already mentioned, it wasn't until he was an adult that he began practicing any religion seriously, and he was baptized as a Christian.

by: BuckeyeDon

08-01-2010 @ 8:58pm

His father was born into a Muslim family but he wasn't a practicing Muslim. In Dreams of My Father, Barack indicates that his father had become an atheist in practice.

After his parents divorced, his mother married an Indonesian and they moved to Indonesia, where he was enrolled in a multi-religious private school. His step-father enrolled him as a "Muslim" (because he himself was Muslim), which means the religion courses he took were related to Islam. This is one place where at least some of the false rumors that he's Muslim come from. But he never became a Muslim. Furthermore, he only spent one year in that school; after that, the family enrolled him in a Catholic school.

As already mentioned, it wasn't until he was an adult that he began practicing any religion seriously, and he was baptized as a Christian.

by: BuckeyeDon

08-01-2010 @ 8:58pm

His father was born into a Muslim family but he wasn't a practicing Muslim. In Dreams of My Father, Barack indicates that his father had become an atheist in practice.

After his parents divorced, his mother married an Indonesian and they moved to Indonesia, where he was enrolled in a multi-religious private school. His step-father enrolled him as a "Muslim" (because he himself was Muslim), which means the religion courses he took were related to Islam. This is one place where at least some of the false rumors that he's Muslim come from. But he never became a Muslim. Furthermore, he only spent one year in that school; after that, the family enrolled him in a Catholic school.

As already mentioned, it wasn't until he was an adult that he began practicing any religion seriously, and he was baptized as a Christian.

by: BuckeyeDon

08-01-2010 @ 8:59pm

Your comment about Neibuhr is correct.