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100809-the-visitorSome months back (while I was still getting Netflix) I received a movie that I quite honestly couldn't remember having in my queue. And as anyone who has ever gotten Netflix knows, each movie comes with only the briefest of descriptions. So late one night, I found myself at home watching The Visitor on my computer.

I didn't know what it was about -- at all. But I sat there transfixed for 104 minutes as I watched the story of Tarek and Zainab, a couple who both immigrated to the United States from different countries and who were undocumented. I watched as this couple struggled to live below the radar of ICE agents, knowing that the smallest infraction could lead to deportation. And I sat there stunned as the "issues" that I advocated for (comprehensive immigration reform) and against (deportation of law-abiding, contributing-to-the-community residents) came to life before my very eyes. Even though I felt strongly about the cause of comprehensive immigration reform, preached on it, prayed for it, and worked as a professional Christian advocate for this (and other) issues, it wasn't until that moment that it hit home exactly what the "broken system" looked like.

However, the beauty of the movie is that it's not only the viewer who gets to struggle with these things; the protagonist, a middle-aged, middle-income, middle-class white guy named Walter is forced to struggle with these things too. Clearly needing a change in his own life, a random encounter with Tarek and Zainab (who are residing in Walter's usually unoccupied New York apartment) leads him into a relationship with Tarek. Tarek is a drummer who works as a bar musician at night and plays in drum circles in Central Park during the day. Tarek encourages Walter to step into his world by teaching him how to play the drums. Through a shared love of music, Tarek and Walter transcend the barriers of race and class and immigration status to build a bond that is palpable to the viewer. Walter also develops a relationship with Zainab and Tarek's mother, Mouna.

One of the most touching scenes occurs when Tarek invites Walter to come with him to the park and participate in the drum circle. Walter is at first reticent about going and is clearly self-conscious about playing. But with Tarek's gentle encouragement, Walter joins in feeling the warmth of community for the first time in a very long time, if ever. It was as clear an expression of the kind of love that develops between friends as I have ever seen on film. Clearly, sometimes love looks like a drum circle.

And it is after the drum circle that things go bad for Tarek. He is arrested and detained as he tries to help Walter get through the turnstiles at a subway entrance. Despite Walter's protestations, Tarek is detained. But as you can imagine, the detention process is not clean, clear, or transparent and the threat of Tarek's deportation looms.

This film opened my eyes to the way that our broken immigration system tears apart families. And how in our current system, children are held responsible for their parent's decisions.

I would encourage you to watch the film with your family, your congregation, even your community. We invite you to download Sojourner's newest resource, "REEL Images of Immigration: A Film Guide To Discussing Faith and Immigration" and allow that to help guide your conversation.

Additionally, I invite you to pray, individually and corporately, for the families who find themselves in the midst of this system. And finally, I invite you to act with us as we continue to advocate for comprehensive immigration reform that provides a path to citizenship for the hard-working immigrants who are here simply trying to provide for their families.

But whatever you choose to do, watch The Visitor. I have to believe that you, like Walter and myself, will be transformed by what you see. And remember, sometimes love really does look like a drum circle.

portrait-jennifer-kottlerRev. Jennifer Kottler is the Director of Policy and Advocacy at Sojourners. A long-time advocate for justice, Jennifer has served in advocacy ministry for more than seven years through her work at Protestants for the Common Good (Chicago, IL), the Let Justice Roll Living Wage Campaign, and the Chicago Jobs Council.


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Good post Jennifer. I'll have to check the movie out. My only challenge to you is on this statement you made: "I advocated...against (deportation of law-abiding, contributing-to-the-community residents)." Sure, our country SHOULD welcome law-abiding, community-contributing folk of all races; BUT people still need to receive citizenship. Other countries shouldn't feel obligated to just allow us Americans to sneak into there territory without formally receiving citizenship (and evade paying taxes). Sure, I love diversity! It would be sweeeeeet if America was filled/balanced with whites, blacks, Asians, Latinos etc. However, recieving citizenship is essential--for all people, regardless. Overall, great thoughts Jennifer. I appreciate your sensitivity :)

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Good post Jennifer. I'll have to check the movie out. My only challenge to you is on this statement you made: "I advocated...against (deportation of law-abiding, contributing-to-the-community residents)." Sure, our country SHOULD welcome law-abiding, community-contributing folk of all races; BUT people still need to receive citizenship. Other countries shouldn't feel obligated to just allow us Americans to sneak into there territory without formally receiving citizenship (and evade paying taxes). Sure, I love diversity! It would be sweeeeeet if America was filled/balanced with whites, blacks, Asians, Latinos etc. However, recieving citizenship is essential--for all people, regardless. Overall, great thoughts Jennifer. I appreciate your sensitivity :)

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Great film. And in response to Brendon - I understand wanting people to immigrate within the law - but I have two points to make about why I don't always agree (or rather, why I feel the answer is not so simple): 1 - it can take more than 10 years for someone from Mexico (and other countries, but Mexico is the one I know the most about) to legally immigrate. If someone has a family to care for and they are unable to do so because of the unstable economy in their country or government corruption - what are they going to do? You can still say they should wait and come legally, but I hope you will at least allow yourself to understand why some do not choose to do that. The real fix to our immigration problem is significant investment in developing economies around the world (but just try to get someone to run for office with that on their agenda). 2 - sometimes our government does not respond appropriately to someone who is seeking to immigrate because of potential dangers in their home country (as in, our government may not declare someone a refugee when they need to be). Besides watching this movie, read a book called Little Bee by Chris Cleave (It was published under another name in the UK). It will help you to be aware of this issue as well - although set in the UK the same story applies in the US. Bottom line, you may end up keeping your opinion, but maybe you will better understand why some people may feel that legal immigration (which may or may not mean citizenship) is not an option.

by: Laurie

08-09-2010 @ 8:22pm

Great film. And in response to Brendon - I understand wanting people to immigrate within the law - but I have two points to make about why I don't always agree (or rather, why I feel the answer is not so simple): 1 - it can take more than 10 years for someone from Mexico (and other countries, but Mexico is the one I know the most about) to legally immigrate. If someone has a family to care for and they are unable to do so because of the unstable economy in their country or government corruption - what are they going to do? You can still say they should wait and come legally, but I hope you will at least allow yourself to understand why some do not choose to do that. The real fix to our immigration problem is significant investment in developing economies around the world (but just try to get someone to run for office with that on their agenda). 2 - sometimes our government does not respond appropriately to someone who is seeking to immigrate because of potential dangers in their home country (as in, our government may not declare someone a refugee when they need to be). Besides watching this movie, read a book called Little Bee by Chris Cleave (It was published under another name in the UK). It will help you to be aware of this issue as well - although set in the UK the same story applies in the US. Bottom line, you may end up keeping your opinion, but maybe you will better understand why some people may feel that legal immigration (which may or may not mean citizenship) is not an option.

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08-09-2010 @ 8:11pm

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Yes, because the laws are written the way they are, many people are breaking the law simply by being in this country. The question is, when is it acceptable to break an unjust law?

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This post, the first comment, and the entire conversation about immigration reform cause me to wonder about law-abiding versus law-breaking with regard to immigration policies. I believe most people agree that our immigration system, and immigration law, is in need of repair. Because of the years- and decades-long wait faced by most who try to immigrate here legally, some would even say that our immigration system, and immigration law, is unjust.

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Brendon, I've been trying to educate myself about the Mexican immigration issue recently and wanted to address the point you make about evading taxes. The criticisms against Mexican immigrants both possessing false social securilty numbers and not paying taxes can't stand together. Most working undocumented/illegal immigrants work for companies (cleaning services, meatpacking plants, agribusinesses, etc.) using false social security numbers. This means they pay social security and medicare taxes, which, not incidentally, my elderly American parents are drawing on currently when they go to the doctor or get their monthly SS check in the mail. Ironically, the Miexican immigrant who is paying ss into that fund will never be able to withdraw from it (his or her name doesn't match with the SS number). Furthermore, the companies who hire these falsely documented people have the documentation they need to protect themselves and to run payroll. This means they withdraw payroll taxes on these workers. They ARE paying federal, state, and local taxes through payroll. The early American colonists called this taxation without representation

A minority of these immigrants don't work for companies who take out payroll taxes, but many of them still pay federal income tax through a special program set up by the IRS called the Individualized Tax Identification Number program in which the IRS is committed to NOT giving the names on this roll to Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials. These are immigrants who want to play by the rules, partly out of self interest, knowing that in the past amnesty was granted to those who could show they paid taxes. The point is, even these people who American citizens are paying under the table to mow their lawns and clean their bathrooms are often paying taxes while our immigration policy winks with one eye, sayiing it is okay to come and work for low wages without work rights, and enacts surveillance with the other eye, scoping out these poverty workers to eject them from the country. .

Thanks for letting me share my recent findings on this part of the issue. I'm open to correction if I have misrepresented any facts. One of my sources is a report by the Council on Foreign Relations. Another is Avi Chomske's book "They Are Taking Our Jobs and Ten other Myths about Immigrants."

Kevin

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Brendon, I've been trying to educate myself about the Mexican immigration issue recently and wanted to address the point you make about evading taxes. The criticisms against Mexican immigrants both possessing false social securilty numbers and not paying taxes can't stand together. Most working undocumented/illegal immigrants work for companies (cleaning services, meatpacking plants, agribusinesses, etc.) using false social security numbers. This means they pay social security and medicare taxes, which, not incidentally, my elderly American parents are drawing on currently when they go to the doctor or get their monthly SS check in the mail. Ironically, the Miexican immigrant who is paying ss into that fund will never be able to withdraw from it (his or her name doesn't match with the SS number). Furthermore, the companies who hire these falsely documented people have the documentation they need to protect themselves and to run payroll. This means they withdraw payroll taxes on these workers. They ARE paying federal, state, and local taxes through payroll. The early American colonists called this taxation without representation

A minority of these immigrants don't work for companies who take out payroll taxes, but many of them still pay federal income tax through a special program set up by the IRS called the Individualized Tax Identification Number program in which the IRS is committed to NOT giving the names on this roll to Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials. These are immigrants who want to play by the rules, partly out of self interest, knowing that in the past amnesty was granted to those who could show they paid taxes. The point is, even these people who American citizens are paying under the table to mow their lawns and clean their bathrooms are often paying taxes while our immigration policy winks with one eye, sayiing it is okay to come and work for low wages without work rights, and enacts surveillance with the other eye, scoping out these poverty workers to eject them from the country. .

Thanks for letting me share my recent findings on this part of the issue. I'm open to correction if I have misrepresented any facts. One of my sources is a report by the Council on Foreign Relations. Another is Avi Chomske's book "They Are Taking Our Jobs and Ten other Myths about Immigrants."

Kevin

by: Brendon Pennington

08-09-2010 @ 5:26pm

Good post Jennifer. I'll have to check the movie out. My only challenge to you is on this statement you made: "I advocated...against (deportation of law-abiding, contributing-to-the-community residents)." Sure, our country SHOULD welcome law-abiding, community-contributing folk of all races; BUT people still need to receive citizenship. Other countries shouldn't feel obligated to just allow us Americans to sneak into there territory without formally receiving citizenship (and evade paying taxes). Sure, I love diversity! It would be sweeeeeet if America was filled/balanced with whites, blacks, Asians, Latinos etc. However, recieving citizenship is essential--for all people, regardless. Overall, great thoughts Jennifer. I appreciate your sensitivity :)

by: Laurie

08-09-2010 @ 8:22pm

Great film. And in response to Brendon - I understand wanting people to immigrate within the law - but I have two points to make about why I don't always agree (or rather, why I feel the answer is not so simple): 1 - it can take more than 10 years for someone from Mexico (and other countries, but Mexico is the one I know the most about) to legally immigrate. If someone has a family to care for and they are unable to do so because of the unstable economy in their country or government corruption - what are they going to do? You can still say they should wait and come legally, but I hope you will at least allow yourself to understand why some do not choose to do that. The real fix to our immigration problem is significant investment in developing economies around the world (but just try to get someone to run for office with that on their agenda). 2 - sometimes our government does not respond appropriately to someone who is seeking to immigrate because of potential dangers in their home country (as in, our government may not declare someone a refugee when they need to be). Besides watching this movie, read a book called Little Bee by Chris Cleave (It was published under another name in the UK). It will help you to be aware of this issue as well - although set in the UK the same story applies in the US. Bottom line, you may end up keeping your opinion, but maybe you will better understand why some people may feel that legal immigration (which may or may not mean citizenship) is not an option.

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This post, the first comment, and the entire conversation about immigration reform cause me to wonder about law-abiding versus law-breaking with regard to immigration policies. I believe most people agree that our immigration system, and immigration law, is in need of repair. Because of the years- and decades-long wait faced by most who try to immigrate here legally, some would even say that our immigration system, and immigration law, is unjust.

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A minority of these immigrants don't work for companies who take out payroll taxes, but many of them still pay federal income tax through a special program set up by the IRS called the Individualized Tax Identification Number program in which the IRS is committed to NOT giving the names on this roll to Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials. These are immigrants who want to play by the rules, partly out of self interest, knowing that in the past amnesty was granted to those who could show they paid taxes. The point is, even these people who American citizens are paying under the table to mow their lawns and clean their bathrooms are often paying taxes while our immigration policy winks with one eye, sayiing it is okay to come and work for low wages without work rights, and enacts surveillance with the other eye, scoping out these poverty workers to eject them from the country. .

Thanks for letting me share my recent findings on this part of the issue. I'm open to correction if I have misrepresented any facts. One of my sources is a report by the Council on Foreign Relations. Another is Avi Chomske's book "They Are Taking Our Jobs and Ten other Myths about Immigrants."

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08-10-2010 @ 2:18pm

There's room for all kinds of debate of the immigration issue on the political level. On the Biblical level, for Christians, I cannot get away from the command in the Torah to treat the alien the same as a citizen. Then there's the parable of the judgment of the nations in Matthew 25:31 and following, including "I was a stranger, and you welcomed me," and "I was a stranger and you did not welcome me." The law of love supercedes any national or state law. The law of love supercedes any anti-alien sentiments or prescriptions in the OT.

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by: MoroMan

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The Visitor is a beautiful film. The acting is superb.

by: MoroMan

08-10-2010 @ 3:06pm

I have watched 'The Visitor' more than once and have showed it to my kids and recommended it to others.
Immigration is a complicated issue, grindingly emotional.

by: MoroMan

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The Visitor is a beautiful film. The acting is superb.

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08-10-2010 @ 3:06pm

I have watched 'The Visitor' more than once and have showed it to my kids and recommended it to others.
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by: Brendon Pennington

08-09-2010 @ 5:26pm

Good post Jennifer. I'll have to check the movie out. My only challenge to you is on this statement you made: "I advocated...against (deportation of law-abiding, contributing-to-the-community residents)." Sure, our country SHOULD welcome law-abiding, community-contributing folk of all races; BUT people still need to receive citizenship. Other countries shouldn't feel obligated to just allow us Americans to sneak into there territory without formally receiving citizenship (and evade paying taxes). Sure, I love diversity! It would be sweeeeeet if America was filled/balanced with whites, blacks, Asians, Latinos etc. However, recieving citizenship is essential--for all people, regardless. Overall, great thoughts Jennifer. I appreciate your sensitivity :)

by: Brendon Pennington

08-09-2010 @ 5:26pm

Good post Jennifer. I'll have to check the movie out. My only challenge to you is on this statement you made: "I advocated...against (deportation of law-abiding, contributing-to-the-community residents)." Sure, our country SHOULD welcome law-abiding, community-contributing folk of all races; BUT people still need to receive citizenship. Other countries shouldn't feel obligated to just allow us Americans to sneak into there territory without formally receiving citizenship (and evade paying taxes). Sure, I love diversity! It would be sweeeeeet if America was filled/balanced with whites, blacks, Asians, Latinos etc. However, recieving citizenship is essential--for all people, regardless. Overall, great thoughts Jennifer. I appreciate your sensitivity :)

by: Brendon Pennington

08-09-2010 @ 5:26pm

Good post Jennifer. I'll have to check the movie out. My only challenge to you is on this statement you made: "I advocated...against (deportation of law-abiding, contributing-to-the-community residents)." Sure, our country SHOULD welcome law-abiding, community-contributing folk of all races; BUT people still need to receive citizenship. Other countries shouldn't feel obligated to just allow us Americans to sneak into there territory without formally receiving citizenship (and evade paying taxes). Sure, I love diversity! It would be sweeeeeet if America was filled/balanced with whites, blacks, Asians, Latinos etc. However, recieving citizenship is essential--for all people, regardless. Overall, great thoughts Jennifer. I appreciate your sensitivity :)

by: hikerrev

08-09-2010 @ 8:11pm

This post, the first comment, and the entire conversation about immigration reform cause me to wonder about law-abiding versus law-breaking with regard to immigration policies. I believe most people agree that our immigration system, and immigration law, is in need of repair. Because of the years- and decades-long wait faced by most who try to immigrate here legally, some would even say that our immigration system, and immigration law, is unjust.

Yes, because the laws are written the way they are, many people are breaking the law simply by being in this country. The question is, when is it acceptable to break an unjust law?

by: hikerrev

08-09-2010 @ 8:11pm

This post, the first comment, and the entire conversation about immigration reform cause me to wonder about law-abiding versus law-breaking with regard to immigration policies. I believe most people agree that our immigration system, and immigration law, is in need of repair. Because of the years- and decades-long wait faced by most who try to immigrate here legally, some would even say that our immigration system, and immigration law, is unjust.

Yes, because the laws are written the way they are, many people are breaking the law simply by being in this country. The question is, when is it acceptable to break an unjust law?

by: hikerrev

08-09-2010 @ 8:11pm

This post, the first comment, and the entire conversation about immigration reform cause me to wonder about law-abiding versus law-breaking with regard to immigration policies. I believe most people agree that our immigration system, and immigration law, is in need of repair. Because of the years- and decades-long wait faced by most who try to immigrate here legally, some would even say that our immigration system, and immigration law, is unjust.

Yes, because the laws are written the way they are, many people are breaking the law simply by being in this country. The question is, when is it acceptable to break an unjust law?

by: Laurie

08-09-2010 @ 8:22pm

Great film. And in response to Brendon - I understand wanting people to immigrate within the law - but I have two points to make about why I don't always agree (or rather, why I feel the answer is not so simple): 1 - it can take more than 10 years for someone from Mexico (and other countries, but Mexico is the one I know the most about) to legally immigrate. If someone has a family to care for and they are unable to do so because of the unstable economy in their country or government corruption - what are they going to do? You can still say they should wait and come legally, but I hope you will at least allow yourself to understand why some do not choose to do that. The real fix to our immigration problem is significant investment in developing economies around the world (but just try to get someone to run for office with that on their agenda). 2 - sometimes our government does not respond appropriately to someone who is seeking to immigrate because of potential dangers in their home country (as in, our government may not declare someone a refugee when they need to be). Besides watching this movie, read a book called Little Bee by Chris Cleave (It was published under another name in the UK). It will help you to be aware of this issue as well - although set in the UK the same story applies in the US. Bottom line, you may end up keeping your opinion, but maybe you will better understand why some people may feel that legal immigration (which may or may not mean citizenship) is not an option.

by: Laurie

08-09-2010 @ 8:22pm

Great film. And in response to Brendon - I understand wanting people to immigrate within the law - but I have two points to make about why I don't always agree (or rather, why I feel the answer is not so simple): 1 - it can take more than 10 years for someone from Mexico (and other countries, but Mexico is the one I know the most about) to legally immigrate. If someone has a family to care for and they are unable to do so because of the unstable economy in their country or government corruption - what are they going to do? You can still say they should wait and come legally, but I hope you will at least allow yourself to understand why some do not choose to do that. The real fix to our immigration problem is significant investment in developing economies around the world (but just try to get someone to run for office with that on their agenda). 2 - sometimes our government does not respond appropriately to someone who is seeking to immigrate because of potential dangers in their home country (as in, our government may not declare someone a refugee when they need to be). Besides watching this movie, read a book called Little Bee by Chris Cleave (It was published under another name in the UK). It will help you to be aware of this issue as well - although set in the UK the same story applies in the US. Bottom line, you may end up keeping your opinion, but maybe you will better understand why some people may feel that legal immigration (which may or may not mean citizenship) is not an option.

by: Laurie

08-09-2010 @ 8:22pm

Great film. And in response to Brendon - I understand wanting people to immigrate within the law - but I have two points to make about why I don't always agree (or rather, why I feel the answer is not so simple): 1 - it can take more than 10 years for someone from Mexico (and other countries, but Mexico is the one I know the most about) to legally immigrate. If someone has a family to care for and they are unable to do so because of the unstable economy in their country or government corruption - what are they going to do? You can still say they should wait and come legally, but I hope you will at least allow yourself to understand why some do not choose to do that. The real fix to our immigration problem is significant investment in developing economies around the world (but just try to get someone to run for office with that on their agenda). 2 - sometimes our government does not respond appropriately to someone who is seeking to immigrate because of potential dangers in their home country (as in, our government may not declare someone a refugee when they need to be). Besides watching this movie, read a book called Little Bee by Chris Cleave (It was published under another name in the UK). It will help you to be aware of this issue as well - although set in the UK the same story applies in the US. Bottom line, you may end up keeping your opinion, but maybe you will better understand why some people may feel that legal immigration (which may or may not mean citizenship) is not an option.

by: KevinDMiller5

08-09-2010 @ 9:18pm

Brendon, I've been trying to educate myself about the Mexican immigration issue recently and wanted to address the point you make about evading taxes. The criticisms against Mexican immigrants both possessing false social securilty numbers and not paying taxes can't stand together. Most working undocumented/illegal immigrants work for companies (cleaning services, meatpacking plants, agribusinesses, etc.) using false social security numbers. This means they pay social security and medicare taxes, which, not incidentally, my elderly American parents are drawing on currently when they go to the doctor or get their monthly SS check in the mail. Ironically, the Miexican immigrant who is paying ss into that fund will never be able to withdraw from it (his or her name doesn't match with the SS number). Furthermore, the companies who hire these falsely documented people have the documentation they need to protect themselves and to run payroll. This means they withdraw payroll taxes on these workers. They ARE paying federal, state, and local taxes through payroll. The early American colonists called this taxation without representation

A minority of these immigrants don't work for companies who take out payroll taxes, but many of them still pay federal income tax through a special program set up by the IRS called the Individualized Tax Identification Number program in which the IRS is committed to NOT giving the names on this roll to Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials. These are immigrants who want to play by the rules, partly out of self interest, knowing that in the past amnesty was granted to those who could show they paid taxes. The point is, even these people who American citizens are paying under the table to mow their lawns and clean their bathrooms are often paying taxes while our immigration policy winks with one eye, sayiing it is okay to come and work for low wages without work rights, and enacts surveillance with the other eye, scoping out these poverty workers to eject them from the country. .

Thanks for letting me share my recent findings on this part of the issue. I'm open to correction if I have misrepresented any facts. One of my sources is a report by the Council on Foreign Relations. Another is Avi Chomske's book "They Are Taking Our Jobs and Ten other Myths about Immigrants."

Kevin

by: KevinDMiller5

08-09-2010 @ 9:18pm

Brendon, I've been trying to educate myself about the Mexican immigration issue recently and wanted to address the point you make about evading taxes. The criticisms against Mexican immigrants both possessing false social securilty numbers and not paying taxes can't stand together. Most working undocumented/illegal immigrants work for companies (cleaning services, meatpacking plants, agribusinesses, etc.) using false social security numbers. This means they pay social security and medicare taxes, which, not incidentally, my elderly American parents are drawing on currently when they go to the doctor or get their monthly SS check in the mail. Ironically, the Miexican immigrant who is paying ss into that fund will never be able to withdraw from it (his or her name doesn't match with the SS number). Furthermore, the companies who hire these falsely documented people have the documentation they need to protect themselves and to run payroll. This means they withdraw payroll taxes on these workers. They ARE paying federal, state, and local taxes through payroll. The early American colonists called this taxation without representation

A minority of these immigrants don't work for companies who take out payroll taxes, but many of them still pay federal income tax through a special program set up by the IRS called the Individualized Tax Identification Number program in which the IRS is committed to NOT giving the names on this roll to Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials. These are immigrants who want to play by the rules, partly out of self interest, knowing that in the past amnesty was granted to those who could show they paid taxes. The point is, even these people who American citizens are paying under the table to mow their lawns and clean their bathrooms are often paying taxes while our immigration policy winks with one eye, sayiing it is okay to come and work for low wages without work rights, and enacts surveillance with the other eye, scoping out these poverty workers to eject them from the country. .

Thanks for letting me share my recent findings on this part of the issue. I'm open to correction if I have misrepresented any facts. One of my sources is a report by the Council on Foreign Relations. Another is Avi Chomske's book "They Are Taking Our Jobs and Ten other Myths about Immigrants."

Kevin

by: KevinDMiller5

08-09-2010 @ 9:18pm

Brendon, I've been trying to educate myself about the Mexican immigration issue recently and wanted to address the point you make about evading taxes. The criticisms against Mexican immigrants both possessing false social securilty numbers and not paying taxes can't stand together. Most working undocumented/illegal immigrants work for companies (cleaning services, meatpacking plants, agribusinesses, etc.) using false social security numbers. This means they pay social security and medicare taxes, which, not incidentally, my elderly American parents are drawing on currently when they go to the doctor or get their monthly SS check in the mail. Ironically, the Miexican immigrant who is paying ss into that fund will never be able to withdraw from it (his or her name doesn't match with the SS number). Furthermore, the companies who hire these falsely documented people have the documentation they need to protect themselves and to run payroll. This means they withdraw payroll taxes on these workers. They ARE paying federal, state, and local taxes through payroll. The early American colonists called this taxation without representation

A minority of these immigrants don't work for companies who take out payroll taxes, but many of them still pay federal income tax through a special program set up by the IRS called the Individualized Tax Identification Number program in which the IRS is committed to NOT giving the names on this roll to Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials. These are immigrants who want to play by the rules, partly out of self interest, knowing that in the past amnesty was granted to those who could show they paid taxes. The point is, even these people who American citizens are paying under the table to mow their lawns and clean their bathrooms are often paying taxes while our immigration policy winks with one eye, sayiing it is okay to come and work for low wages without work rights, and enacts surveillance with the other eye, scoping out these poverty workers to eject them from the country. .

Thanks for letting me share my recent findings on this part of the issue. I'm open to correction if I have misrepresented any facts. One of my sources is a report by the Council on Foreign Relations. Another is Avi Chomske's book "They Are Taking Our Jobs and Ten other Myths about Immigrants."

Kevin

by: Charles Kiker

08-10-2010 @ 2:18pm

There's room for all kinds of debate of the immigration issue on the political level. On the Biblical level, for Christians, I cannot get away from the command in the Torah to treat the alien the same as a citizen. Then there's the parable of the judgment of the nations in Matthew 25:31 and following, including "I was a stranger, and you welcomed me," and "I was a stranger and you did not welcome me." The law of love supercedes any national or state law. The law of love supercedes any anti-alien sentiments or prescriptions in the OT.

by: Charles Kiker

08-10-2010 @ 2:18pm

There's room for all kinds of debate of the immigration issue on the political level. On the Biblical level, for Christians, I cannot get away from the command in the Torah to treat the alien the same as a citizen. Then there's the parable of the judgment of the nations in Matthew 25:31 and following, including "I was a stranger, and you welcomed me," and "I was a stranger and you did not welcome me." The law of love supercedes any national or state law. The law of love supercedes any anti-alien sentiments or prescriptions in the OT.

by: Charles Kiker

08-10-2010 @ 2:18pm

There's room for all kinds of debate of the immigration issue on the political level. On the Biblical level, for Christians, I cannot get away from the command in the Torah to treat the alien the same as a citizen. Then there's the parable of the judgment of the nations in Matthew 25:31 and following, including "I was a stranger, and you welcomed me," and "I was a stranger and you did not welcome me." The law of love supercedes any national or state law. The law of love supercedes any anti-alien sentiments or prescriptions in the OT.

by: MoroMan

08-10-2010 @ 3:06pm

I have watched 'The Visitor' more than once and have showed it to my kids and recommended it to others.
Immigration is a complicated issue, grindingly emotional.

by: MoroMan

08-10-2010 @ 3:06pm

I have watched 'The Visitor' more than once and have showed it to my kids and recommended it to others.
Immigration is a complicated issue, grindingly emotional.

by: MoroMan

08-10-2010 @ 3:06pm

I have watched 'The Visitor' more than once and have showed it to my kids and recommended it to others.
Immigration is a complicated issue, grindingly emotional.

by: MoroMan

08-10-2010 @ 3:07pm

The Visitor is a beautiful film. The acting is superb.

by: MoroMan

08-10-2010 @ 3:07pm

The Visitor is a beautiful film. The acting is superb.

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