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Death By Ministry: Why is Being a Pastor so Unhealthy?

Several years ago, I spent several hours/week doing research (and meeting with other pastors) about pastoral health and vitality for my denomination.

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I chose to spend some time doing that for selfish reasons. I was and am still learning how to take better care of myself in ministry (as evidenced by the scary picture below) -- while completely acknowledging that sometimes, it's not supposed to feel right.

What I learned was pretty shocking and heartbreaking, but one of the conclusions I came to was that as ministry leaders, pastors, and other pursuers of God's work, it helps to understand some of the challenges ahead and to be proactive rather than reactive.

Yesterday, I posted Part I of this post entitled "Why is Being a Pastor so Unhealthy?" The reasons are complex, and I'll acknowledge that when one looks for "doom and gloom," you'll find some discouraging things. I can focus an entry purely on the joys and blessings of pastoral ministry and feel confident I can write a compelling piece. But these statistics (and stories that many of us are aware of) and our personal stories are hard to ignore.

Here's a summary of what I learned and shared:

There are varying reports from different sources, but I believe most will agree that the ministerial profession (life as pastors) is now considered one of the most dangerous or unhealthiest professions. It's usually rated last or second to last. Read this from a local Northwest minister, Mark, on a comment on an earlier post:

"At the first church I served we had an insurance agent who was a member of the congregation. When I went to see him about some auto insurance needs, he said 'Hey, wanna see something that will scare the crap out of you?'

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by: Joe_Allen_Doty

08-16-2010 @ 6:42pm

I am disabled and haven't been to church in a while. I watch a local UMC live service yesterday. The pastor complained about people showing up for a secular musical produced by the church who have been in church services in a long time.

I would have told him, "That's because your services are cut and dried and your music choices are not only boring, the choir members sing like they are bored, too."

by: Tom_Patterson

08-16-2010 @ 6:09pm

Thanks for this article, Eugene. I really appreciated the articulation of how difficult pastoral ministry can be (as a pastor of 20+ years in ministry).

While I do wish congregations had a better idea of how to care for pastors and their families in a healthier way, I also believe that we pastors need to be careful not to wait for that to happen. As a certified coach, I work with pastors and denominational leaders who want to lead from a more self-aware, differentiated place (http://www.soundcoaching.com).

While pastors who are increasingly clearer about how they are uniquely "fearfully and wonderfully made" begin to get more comfortable in their own skin, the push-back (which is pretty inevitable) will be primarily from those who are less defined. But who wants to be defined by boundary-less people, right? The beautiful paradox is that the more clear we are about who we are in Christ (and therefore also comfortable with who we're not), the more likely people will trust our efforts to lead.

So...while I certainly would love for congregations to be kinder in general, there's some great work we pastors can do whether that happens or not.

Peace!

Tom Patterson
Seattle, WA

by: Charles Kiker

08-13-2010 @ 1:35pm

I write as a retired pastor. Much of the stress of the pastorate comes from the necessity of having to make a living. In churches with congregational polity (those that I served) there's a constant tug of war between what the congregation likes and the ideals of the Christian calling. Making a living and maintaining integrity are in constant tension. (Churces with episcipal polity just move the stress down the line a tad--if bishops, dist. supts et all hear too much flak, something will have to give.) My impression from the NT is that pastoral leadership rose from within the local congregations; pastors probably continue to earn their living as before. You can have a paid priest; it's difficult to have a paid prophet.

by: Tod Bolsinger

08-16-2010 @ 2:16pm

Thanks for adding to this important conversation. A poet who works in corporate America named David Whyte famously, wrote "The antidote to exhaustion is not rest but wholeheartedness." I continue to muse (and blog) on what it takes for wholehearted ministry in a day when so many of us feel so pulled between so many competing values.

http://bolsinger.blogs.com/weblog/2010/08/worn-...

by: Charles Kiker

08-13-2010 @ 1:35pm

I write as a retired pastor. Much of the stress of the pastorate comes from the necessity of having to make a living. In churches with congregational polity (those that I served) there's a constant tug of war between what the congregation likes and the ideals of the Christian calling. Making a living and maintaining integrity are in constant tension. (Churces with episcipal polity just move the stress down the line a tad--if bishops, dist. supts et all hear too much flak, something will have to give.) My impression from the NT is that pastoral leadership rose from within the local congregations; pastors probably continue to earn their living as before. You can have a paid priest; it's difficult to have a paid prophet.

by: Tod Bolsinger

08-16-2010 @ 2:16pm

Thanks for adding to this important conversation. A poet who works in corporate America named David Whyte famously, wrote "The antidote to exhaustion is not rest but wholeheartedness." I continue to muse (and blog) on what it takes for wholehearted ministry in a day when so many of us feel so pulled between so many competing values.

http://bolsinger.blogs.com/weblog/2010/08/worn-...

by: Stephen C

08-23-2010 @ 3:48pm

Check out http://www.ServingOurSaints.org - They do Biblical Hospitality, care for workers and provide respite for missionaries & etc. with the intent on alleviating some of the stresses that these healers endure.

by: Stephen C

08-23-2010 @ 3:48pm

Check out http://www.ServingOurSaints.org - They do Biblical Hospitality, care for workers and provide respite for missionaries & etc. with the intent on alleviating some of the stresses that these healers endure.

by: maryfrantz

08-16-2010 @ 10:19pm

Wonderful book on this subject that addresses what to do about it. It is out of print now, but can be found used on internet. Title is Generation to Generation: Family Systems in Church and Synagogue. Author is Rebbi Edwin Friedman. Very readable, written by a man who's "been there." This sent by Tad, an appreciative congregant, church elder and family therapist

by: reklabunde

08-13-2010 @ 5:24pm

Maybe part of the problem in our pastorcentric churches is that people have an unbiblical view of pastors and therefore have developed a set of unbiblical expectations that very few individuals could ever meet.

by: reklabunde

08-13-2010 @ 5:24pm

Maybe part of the problem in our pastorcentric churches is that people have an unbiblical view of pastors and therefore have developed a set of unbiblical expectations that very few individuals could ever meet.

by: umcpastor

08-25-2010 @ 4:28am

The quote from jjergan2 had an impact on me! I have been a pastor for nearly 20 years, and, have for the most part, considered myself extremely blessed to get to serve as I do. However, as the article above proves, ours is a most difficult calling to fulfill! My son just entered college and is majoring in "Christian Ministries", with the intention of entering youth ministry... Do not many of us enter ordained, pastoral ministry this way? I can see how God is working in my sons life and calling him to vocational ministry. I have the strange mixture of profound pride and gratitude for my sons response of faith to God's grace and calling upon his life, and, a sense of dread at what he will encounter if he enters vocational ministry. I love the church with all my heart. But, let's face it, being a pastor is a profoundly difficult role to fulfill.

by: Joe_Allen_Doty

08-16-2010 @ 6:47pm

The pastor of my "family's home church" got overweight because many of the local pastors meetings were held in restaurants during lunch time. And, the church had too many pot-luck suppers.

When I was living in N. Hollywood, I was back here in Tulsa and I told Phil that I would like to talk to him. Well, he chose to go to a local pizza place for lunch so that we could talk there. I was glad to get the free lunch; but, they also had an all-you-can-eat buffet.

He has since stopped eating that way.

by: umcpastor

08-25-2010 @ 4:28am

The quote from jjergan2 had an impact on me! I have been a pastor for nearly 20 years, and, have for the most part, considered myself extremely blessed to get to serve as I do. However, as the article above proves, ours is a most difficult calling to fulfill! My son just entered college and is majoring in "Christian Ministries", with the intention of entering youth ministry... Do not many of us enter ordained, pastoral ministry this way? I can see how God is working in my sons life and calling him to vocational ministry. I have the strange mixture of profound pride and gratitude for my sons response of faith to God's grace and calling upon his life, and, a sense of dread at what he will encounter if he enters vocational ministry. I love the church with all my heart. But, let's face it, being a pastor is a profoundly difficult role to fulfill.

by: Joe_Allen_Doty

08-16-2010 @ 6:47pm

The pastor of my "family's home church" got overweight because many of the local pastors meetings were held in restaurants during lunch time. And, the church had too many pot-luck suppers.

When I was living in N. Hollywood, I was back here in Tulsa and I told Phil that I would like to talk to him. Well, he chose to go to a local pizza place for lunch so that we could talk there. I was glad to get the free lunch; but, they also had an all-you-can-eat buffet.

He has since stopped eating that way.

by: Joe_Allen_Doty

08-16-2010 @ 6:42pm

I am disabled and haven't been to church in a while. I watch a local UMC live service yesterday. The pastor complained about people showing up for a secular musical produced by the church who have been in church services in a long time.

I would have told him, "That's because your services are cut and dried and your music choices are not only boring, the choir members sing like they are bored, too."

by: Joe_Allen_Doty

08-16-2010 @ 6:42pm

I am disabled and haven't been to church in a while. I watch a local UMC live service yesterday. The pastor complained about people showing up for a secular musical produced by the church who have been in church services in a long time.

I would have told him, "That's because your services are cut and dried and your music choices are not only boring, the choir members sing like they are bored, too."

by: Tom_Patterson

08-16-2010 @ 6:09pm

Thanks for this article, Eugene. I really appreciated the articulation of how difficult pastoral ministry can be (as a pastor of 20+ years in ministry).

While I do wish congregations had a better idea of how to care for pastors and their families in a healthier way, I also believe that we pastors need to be careful not to wait for that to happen. As a certified coach, I work with pastors and denominational leaders who want to lead from a more self-aware, differentiated place (http://www.soundcoaching.com).

While pastors who are increasingly clearer about how they are uniquely "fearfully and wonderfully made" begin to get more comfortable in their own skin, the push-back (which is pretty inevitable) will be primarily from those who are less defined. But who wants to be defined by boundary-less people, right? The beautiful paradox is that the more clear we are about who we are in Christ (and therefore also comfortable with who we're not), the more likely people will trust our efforts to lead.

So...while I certainly would love for congregations to be kinder in general, there's some great work we pastors can do whether that happens or not.

Peace!

Tom Patterson
Seattle, WA

by: Tom_Patterson

08-16-2010 @ 6:09pm

Thanks for this article, Eugene. I really appreciated the articulation of how difficult pastoral ministry can be (as a pastor of 20+ years in ministry).

While I do wish congregations had a better idea of how to care for pastors and their families in a healthier way, I also believe that we pastors need to be careful not to wait for that to happen. As a certified coach, I work with pastors and denominational leaders who want to lead from a more self-aware, differentiated place (http://www.soundcoaching.com).

While pastors who are increasingly clearer about how they are uniquely "fearfully and wonderfully made" begin to get more comfortable in their own skin, the push-back (which is pretty inevitable) will be primarily from those who are less defined. But who wants to be defined by boundary-less people, right? The beautiful paradox is that the more clear we are about who we are in Christ (and therefore also comfortable with who we're not), the more likely people will trust our efforts to lead.

So...while I certainly would love for congregations to be kinder in general, there's some great work we pastors can do whether that happens or not.

Peace!

Tom Patterson
Seattle, WA

by: letjusticerolldown

08-12-2010 @ 3:35pm

Wow. A post on this site that agrees with Focus on the Family.

by: JulieBurgii

08-12-2010 @ 2:58pm

I work for a pastor as the director of support ministries at our church, and I would agree with all Eugene has said. Let's all encourage them and their families in these special calls.

by: SkipinPT

08-13-2010 @ 11:05pm

I'm nearing 50. I pastor a congregation in the center of the least churched area in the USA, with an multi-generational attendance of 70 on any Sunday (average). While aligned with a denominaton our ties are limited and not considered particularly important by the congregation.

I worked in mid-management customer service for 20 years until God called ("forced") me into pastoral ministry. I've a BA in Biblical Studies from SPU and did not go to Seminary.Aside from the custodian I am the only staff. I'm paid under $40K. My wife is a weaver and between our incomes we have all we need and more. I have 5 weeks of vacation each year.(Last year I asked them to forego a Cost of living increase and give me another vacation week instead. They were happy to do so.)

With exceptions I typically take two days off each week. I spend a lot of time every day with my wife including a long walk each morning. We have four kids: 3 of them over 20 and one just starting at Seattle Pacific University. I see them a lot too.

The church I pastor is the church in which I grew up. Our board meetings are friendly and little over an hour in length. Our Quarterly business meetings never last more than 10 minutes consisting primarily of a financial report.

Am I stressed? Every Easter and Christmas, but it passes.
I'm a perfectionist about my messages so Saturday night can be stressful too. (But God always provides.)We are very active in our community (food drives/homeless shelter/ present at community events) and every year our reputation as winsom servants of Christ grows.

My intention is to pastor this same church for another ten years and then (God willing) the church will call someone younger who will continue similar ministry of loving service in the name of Jesus.

Here's some random things I believe contribute to my health as a pastor and the health of the congregation.
1. I love my town and I love my congregation and they love me.
2. I know without any doubt that God called me to this.
3. In teaching I stress that ALL of us are MINISTERS and I am no more important to the church's work than they are. The only difference between us is I am financially released to pursue this job.
4. I do not want the church to take people away from their families or their community. While we organize a few events each year mostly we encourage God's people to get out and be salt and light to the community. So no Wed or Sun night services, etc.
5. I don't take myself or my ministry too seriously. I'm not that important.
6. I emphasize servanthood and our general calling to follow Jesus example by pouring our lives out in service to others.
7. I emphasize that arrogance or superiority has no place in God's kingdom. Even if you think you're right you still have to treat others with gentleness and respect.
8. Anyone who suggests a ministry to me will hear me encourage them to pursue it themselves and ask that they tell me how things work out.
9. Similarly we've created an atmosphere of freedom so that anyone who feels led to start a particular ministry knows they can and that I will back them up as much as I can while leaving the implementation to them.
10. I choose to minimize my/our relationship with the denomination believing that time is better spent on my own community and relations with other pastors in my community.

None of this was systematically organized and implemented.
It's just the way it happened. And I'm glad it is the way it is.
It doesn't have to be as bad as the stats above tell us it is.
Pastors can be willing to achieve less for the sake of their families and their mental health and the long-run of their ministry.
And congregations can stop waiting to be serviced by their paid minister and start being the ministers they are supposed to be.
Nuff said.

by: SkipinPT

08-13-2010 @ 11:05pm

I'm nearing 50. I pastor a congregation in the center of the least churched area in the USA, with an multi-generational attendance of 70 on any Sunday (average). While aligned with a denominaton our ties are limited and not considered particularly important by the congregation.

I worked in mid-management customer service for 20 years until God called ("forced") me into pastoral ministry. I've a BA in Biblical Studies from SPU and did not go to Seminary.Aside from the custodian I am the only staff. I'm paid under $40K. My wife is a weaver and between our incomes we have all we need and more. I have 5 weeks of vacation each year.(Last year I asked them to forego a Cost of living increase and give me another vacation week instead. They were happy to do so.)

With exceptions I typically take two days off each week. I spend a lot of time every day with my wife including a long walk each morning. We have four kids: 3 of them over 20 and one just starting at Seattle Pacific University. I see them a lot too.

The church I pastor is the church in which I grew up. Our board meetings are friendly and little over an hour in length. Our Quarterly business meetings never last more than 10 minutes consisting primarily of a financial report.

Am I stressed? Every Easter and Christmas, but it passes.
I'm a perfectionist about my messages so Saturday night can be stressful too. (But God always provides.)We are very active in our community (food drives/homeless shelter/ present at community events) and every year our reputation as winsom servants of Christ grows.

My intention is to pastor this same church for another ten years and then (God willing) the church will call someone younger who will continue similar ministry of loving service in the name of Jesus.

Here's some random things I believe contribute to my health as a pastor and the health of the congregation.
1. I love my town and I love my congregation and they love me.
2. I know without any doubt that God called me to this.
3. In teaching I stress that ALL of us are MINISTERS and I am no more important to the church's work than they are. The only difference between us is I am financially released to pursue this job.
4. I do not want the church to take people away from their families or their community. While we organize a few events each year mostly we encourage God's people to get out and be salt and light to the community. So no Wed or Sun night services, etc.
5. I don't take myself or my ministry too seriously. I'm not that important.
6. I emphasize servanthood and our general calling to follow Jesus example by pouring our lives out in service to others.
7. I emphasize that arrogance or superiority has no place in God's kingdom. Even if you think you're right you still have to treat others with gentleness and respect.
8. Anyone who suggests a ministry to me will hear me encourage them to pursue it themselves and ask that they tell me how things work out.
9. Similarly we've created an atmosphere of freedom so that anyone who feels led to start a particular ministry knows they can and that I will back them up as much as I can while leaving the implementation to them.
10. I choose to minimize my/our relationship with the denomination believing that time is better spent on my own community and relations with other pastors in my community.

None of this was systematically organized and implemented.
It's just the way it happened. And I'm glad it is the way it is.
It doesn't have to be as bad as the stats above tell us it is.
Pastors can be willing to achieve less for the sake of their families and their mental health and the long-run of their ministry.
And congregations can stop waiting to be serviced by their paid minister and start being the ministers they are supposed to be.
Nuff said.

by: BillSamuel

08-14-2010 @ 12:09am

Where did the current pastoral model come from? Is it a good one? I really think we have to look at possible different models of getting the church's work done looking at it comprehensively including both staff and unpaid volunteers. Can anyone be good at all the many roles which most pastors are expected to fill? Could different models allow pastors and others focus on what they are particularly gifted for?

by: BlueDeacon

08-12-2010 @ 6:33pm

I've been convinced for a very long time that we demand too much from our pastors. If we in the pews would only display some maturity from time to time and stand up on our two feet their job would be so much easier.

by: BillSamuel

08-14-2010 @ 12:09am

Where did the current pastoral model come from? Is it a good one? I really think we have to look at possible different models of getting the church's work done looking at it comprehensively including both staff and unpaid volunteers. Can anyone be good at all the many roles which most pastors are expected to fill? Could different models allow pastors and others focus on what they are particularly gifted for?

by: sojomp

08-14-2010 @ 12:04am

Eugene, you sound like a very committed pastor who gives a great deal of yourself to your congregation and your ministry and I'm sure they very much appreciate it. But, you really need some perspective on how blessed you are to have the privilege of making a living (even if it is a modest one) while pursuing your calling.

*ALL* persons who serve those less fortunate are underpaid, underappreciated, and overworked. Think being a minister is stressful? I'm sure those blessed souls who lost their life in Afganistan while providing civilian aid were very stressed at the guns and violence they saw in their last moments of life. Upset about the financially modest life you lead? Try being a poor people's lawyer--the profession of law requires incurring more educational debt, out of pocket expenses, and wardrobe obligations than pastors. Finding it hard to establish boundaries? You've got nothing on social workers with outrageous caseloads who cannot skip challenging or dangerous home visits.

The idea that one can have a job that is low-stress, financially comfortable, 50 or fewer hours a week, and spiritually fulfilling is naive and unrealistic for the vast majority of people. Why you should be paid more, work fewer hours, or have less stress or more familial harmony than your poorest congregants? Or your fellow servants in different fields?

You, my earnest brother, are one of those extraordinarily lucky persons whose job is his art, passion, and calling. Most people who have the goal and inclination to serve others must struggle to make room for the time to do that after working the job that pays the bills, caring for those depending on them, AND contributing their treasure, time, and talents to their church. Most people don't have the time to devote to those things about which they are passionate because all their time goes to earning a living. And while weariness and the occasional twinge of jealousy, envy, or buyer's remorse is to be expected because we are all human, you really need to be grateful that you were fortunate enough to be able to make the choice that your profession would be to serve others, your church, and God.

And if that feeling of fortune does not overwhelm the negatives, than you should find either a job that feeds you or allows you to have the lifestyle you want. If you find both, let us know. Many of us servants would flock to it.

by: sojomp

08-14-2010 @ 12:04am

Eugene, you sound like a very committed pastor who gives a great deal of yourself to your congregation and your ministry and I'm sure they very much appreciate it. But, you really need some perspective on how blessed you are to have the privilege of making a living (even if it is a modest one) while pursuing your calling.

*ALL* persons who serve those less fortunate are underpaid, underappreciated, and overworked. Think being a minister is stressful? I'm sure those blessed souls who lost their life in Afganistan while providing civilian aid were very stressed at the guns and violence they saw in their last moments of life. Upset about the financially modest life you lead? Try being a poor people's lawyer--the profession of law requires incurring more educational debt, out of pocket expenses, and wardrobe obligations than pastors. Finding it hard to establish boundaries? You've got nothing on social workers with outrageous caseloads who cannot skip challenging or dangerous home visits.

The idea that one can have a job that is low-stress, financially comfortable, 50 or fewer hours a week, and spiritually fulfilling is naive and unrealistic for the vast majority of people. Why you should be paid more, work fewer hours, or have less stress or more familial harmony than your poorest congregants? Or your fellow servants in different fields?

You, my earnest brother, are one of those extraordinarily lucky persons whose job is his art, passion, and calling. Most people who have the goal and inclination to serve others must struggle to make room for the time to do that after working the job that pays the bills, caring for those depending on them, AND contributing their treasure, time, and talents to their church. Most people don't have the time to devote to those things about which they are passionate because all their time goes to earning a living. And while weariness and the occasional twinge of jealousy, envy, or buyer's remorse is to be expected because we are all human, you really need to be grateful that you were fortunate enough to be able to make the choice that your profession would be to serve others, your church, and God.

And if that feeling of fortune does not overwhelm the negatives, than you should find either a job that feeds you or allows you to have the lifestyle you want. If you find both, let us know. Many of us servants would flock to it.

by: umcpastor

08-25-2010 @ 4:52am

Sojump, I must disagree with your perspective. There really is no comparison to the role a pastor fulfills to anything else. The role
a pastor fulfills is very different from an aid worker or social worker, or, even a lawyer who serves the poor. A pastor is under constant scrutiny for a life-time, and is constantly in a "no win situation". If he/she spends some time with their family, they are considered "lazy". If they spend all their time at the church, they are considered, "unbalanced". If they are great evangelists, preachers, or missionaries, they are considered lacking in "administrative" skills. If they are good at "administration", they are usually considered poor "relationally". When they face conflict in the church, the church occassionally will attack the pastor's wife and children. Socially, economically, spiritually, there is sometimes no relief or escape for a pastor and his/her family. A pastor's children usually attend the same school as those of his/her parishoners, which can lead to social and physical attacks.

I am a pastor, as is pastor Cho. Your intimation that the pastor is less than grateful for his calling is likely false. Almost every pastor I have met is profoundly grateful for their calling, as am I. Please understand that when you are called to this work by God, you are called and nothing else is an option for you! If God calls you to pastoral ministry you really don't have the option of becoming a financial planner or something... So, a demonstration of some understanding of the unique difficulties of serving as "pastor" from persons such as yourself would be appreciated. thanks...

by: mhb574

08-12-2010 @ 8:36pm

Thank you. Good article. I serve a church that can't afford to pay a full time salary and I work six mornings a week at a local building supply store that helps supplement our family's income--it pays for our catastrophic health insurance (which is aptly named). I'm tired most of the time and don't have enough time to seemingly do anything beyond the basics at the church. However, I'm learning it may not be such a bad thing.

I've known the following for a long time but it's taken me longer to embrace its reality: We clergy need to spend more time equipping/supporting the laity to embrace their calls (whatever they may be) and spend more time giving permission (or getting out of the way) when a lay person wants to act upon the vision God has given.

As I've learned to give up many of the reins at the church, that has allowed the lay people to step up to do the thing that God has called them to do.

In the 1800s the Methodist movement grew in America not just because of the circuit riding preachers but mostly because of lay led class meetings. That all changed when the Methodist church started locating pastors at specific churches or charges. Pastors became too hands on, gained too much control of the church and destroyed the "priesthood of all believers."

By getting out of the way of lay people and their ministries and instead just trying to preach Jesus Christ (and sound doctrine) I find myself able to approach my call to ministry with more balance. And believe it or not, our church is growing (albeit it slowly) because of these lay led ministries. (I'm still stressed and tired, but it's getting better because I see how the Holy Spirit is moving in other people around me.)

Mike

by: kansasmennonite

08-14-2010 @ 2:23am

Your post reminds me of my sister-in-law's brother who is a minister and quit that position and had to take a job in a factory. That was a real eye opener for him! Now he knew why people didn't want to go to Wednesday night service, etc. Their job took up all their energies. Yes, it sure would be nice to have a job that is one's passion. Maybe some day that will happen for me.

by: umcpastor

08-25-2010 @ 4:52am

Sojump, I must disagree with your perspective. There really is no comparison to the role a pastor fulfills to anything else. The role
a pastor fulfills is very different from an aid worker or social worker, or, even a lawyer who serves the poor. A pastor is under constant scrutiny for a life-time, and is constantly in a "no win situation". If he/she spends some time with their family, they are considered "lazy". If they spend all their time at the church, they are considered, "unbalanced". If they are great evangelists, preachers, or missionaries, they are considered lacking in "administrative" skills. If they are good at "administration", they are usually considered poor "relationally". When they face conflict in the church, the church occassionally will attack the pastor's wife and children. Socially, economically, spiritually, there is sometimes no relief or escape for a pastor and his/her family. A pastor's children usually attend the same school as those of his/her parishoners, which can lead to social and physical attacks.

I am a pastor, as is pastor Cho. Your intimation that the pastor is less than grateful for his calling is likely false. Almost every pastor I have met is profoundly grateful for their calling, as am I. Please understand that when you are called to this work by God, you are called and nothing else is an option for you! If God calls you to pastoral ministry you really don't have the option of becoming a financial planner or something... So, a demonstration of some understanding of the unique difficulties of serving as "pastor" from persons such as yourself would be appreciated. thanks...

by: Wendy McCaig

08-12-2010 @ 8:29pm

After reading all this, I think I need a career change. Actually it is kind of comforting to know that I am not alone in feeling alone, exhausted and undermined. There has to be a way of building a structure that does not kill the leader. Right? Some good words of caution in this post. May God give us the wisdom to avoid the pot holes of our profession.

by: kansasmennonite

08-14-2010 @ 2:23am

Your post reminds me of my sister-in-law's brother who is a minister and quit that position and had to take a job in a factory. That was a real eye opener for him! Now he knew why people didn't want to go to Wednesday night service, etc. Their job took up all their energies. Yes, it sure would be nice to have a job that is one's passion. Maybe some day that will happen for me.

by: jjernig2

08-12-2010 @ 8:45pm

Amen to this post.

Most congregations expect only 3 things from their pastors and their families. Perfection, perfection and perfection.

You must be on call 24/7. "Why give them Monday off? They have a Saturday and Sunday like everyone else.

The pastor's wife is never paid yet she must do as much as the pastor (organize Sunday school, teach classes, entertain, etc) and then perform her "wifely" duties.

I once heard a quote, "If my son decides to enter the clergy, I will try my best to discourage him. If he persists and succeeds in spite of my objections, I will support him with all of my heart."

by: Mike Crowl

08-12-2010 @ 9:11pm

Eugene, the batch of 'stats' you list beginning "1,500 pastors leave the ministry each month due to moral failure, spiritual burnout, or contention in their churches" has been doing the rounds of the Internet for some time, but no one seems to know where they actually came from.
This first stat, in fact, always strikes me as suspect: that's 18,000 pastors leaving the ministry every year. Can this figure be real? I've been discussing this online with another writer recently, and the more I see it, the less I'm inclined to believe it. This would mean that within a few years there would hardly be any ministers left working.
That ministers are in trouble isn't in doubt - it's one of the things our office has been working on for three or four years - but we need to get accurate stats on this, not something that's given a different source every time we see it.

by: HoosierNan

08-12-2010 @ 8:53pm

In "The Lutheran" magazine, brief notices of all clergy deaths are published each month. 50% or more are age 80 or more.

Maybe just retired clergy are OK?

by: maryfrantz

08-16-2010 @ 10:19pm

Wonderful book on this subject that addresses what to do about it. It is out of print now, but can be found used on internet. Title is Generation to Generation: Family Systems in Church and Synagogue. Author is Rebbi Edwin Friedman. Very readable, written by a man who's "been there." This sent by Tad, an appreciative congregant, church elder and family therapist

by: maryfrantz

08-16-2010 @ 10:19pm

Wonderful book on this subject that addresses what to do about it. It is out of print now, but can be found used on internet. Title is Generation to Generation: Family Systems in Church and Synagogue. Author is Rebbi Edwin Friedman. Very readable, written by a man who's "been there." This sent by Tad, an appreciative congregant, church elder and family therapist

by: BlueDeacon

08-13-2010 @ 1:28am

Tell you one thing I did. One day the lead pastor of my very large church (we also serve in music ministry together) had asked for prayer, and after our last service he was kneeling in front of the drum kit for about 20 minutes. After that time, I knelt and laid my hand on him (but didn't ask what was on his mind/heart although I knew lost some of his close friends, who were also on the staff, to other endeavors).

Bottom line, there are times when a pastor needs ministry from his/her congregation, and sometimes he/she shouldn't have to ask. Fortunately, I attend a church where this is understood, so his job is relatively easy. (I say relatively because 60 hours a week is still quite a bit.)

by: struthster

08-13-2010 @ 2:59am

somehow it strikes me that if more of the people in the pew felt this stressed about being Christians, the Pastoral stats wouldn't be so striking.

by: mrsdirkgently

08-13-2010 @ 7:23am

Hi BlueDeacon, I agree with your comment that greater maturity in Christians would be a good thing, but sometimes I wonder if the churches really want that. Churches seem to encourage dependency in their members, tending to draw people's energy inwards, rather than empowering mature Christians who are fit and ready to answer the call of God in their lives. Well, that is my impression of churches here in Australia anyhow.

by: Charles Kiker

08-13-2010 @ 1:35pm

I write as a retired pastor. Much of the stress of the pastorate comes from the necessity of having to make a living. In churches with congregational polity (those that I served) there's a constant tug of war between what the congregation likes and the ideals of the Christian calling. Making a living and maintaining integrity are in constant tension. (Churces with episcipal polity just move the stress down the line a tad--if bishops, dist. supts et all hear too much flak, something will have to give.) My impression from the NT is that pastoral leadership rose from within the local congregations; pastors probably continue to earn their living as before. You can have a paid priest; it's difficult to have a paid prophet.

by: reklabunde

08-13-2010 @ 5:24pm

Maybe part of the problem in our pastorcentric churches is that people have an unbiblical view of pastors and therefore have developed a set of unbiblical expectations that very few individuals could ever meet.

by: SkipinPT

08-13-2010 @ 11:05pm

I'm nearing 50. I pastor a congregation in the center of the least churched area in the USA, with an multi-generational attendance of 70 on any Sunday (average). While aligned with a denominaton our ties are limited and not considered particularly important by the congregation.

I worked in mid-management customer service for 20 years until God called ("forced") me into pastoral ministry. I've a BA in Biblical Studies from SPU and did not go to Seminary.Aside from the custodian I am the only staff. I'm paid under $40K. My wife is a weaver and between our incomes we have all we need and more. I have 5 weeks of vacation each year.(Last year I asked them to forego a Cost of living increase and give me another vacation week instead. They were happy to do so.)

With exceptions I typically take two days off each week. I spend a lot of time every day with my wife including a long walk each morning. We have four kids: 3 of them over 20 and one just starting at Seattle Pacific University. I see them a lot too.

The church I pastor is the church in which I grew up. Our board meetings are friendly and little over an hour in length. Our Quarterly business meetings never last more than 10 minutes consisting primarily of a financial report.

Am I stressed? Every Easter and Christmas, but it passes.
I'm a perfectionist about my messages so Saturday night can be stressful too. (But God always provides.)We are very active in our community (food drives/homeless shelter/ present at community events) and every year our reputation as winsom servants of Christ grows.

My intention is to pastor this same church for another ten years and then (God willing) the church will call someone younger who will continue similar ministry of loving service in the name of Jesus.

Here's some random things I believe contribute to my health as a pastor and the health of the congregation.
1. I love my town and I love my congregation and they love me.
2. I know without any doubt that God called me to this.
3. In teaching I stress that ALL of us are MINISTERS and I am no more important to the church's work than they are. The only difference between us is I am financially released to pursue this job.
4. I do not want the church to take people away from their families or their community. While we organize a few events each year mostly we encourage God's people to get out and be salt and light to the community. So no Wed or Sun night services, etc.
5. I don't take myself or my ministry too seriously. I'm not that important.
6. I emphasize servanthood and our general calling to follow Jesus example by pouring our lives out in service to others.
7. I emphasize that arrogance or superiority has no place in God's kingdom. Even if you think you're right you still have to treat others with gentleness and respect.
8. Anyone who suggests a ministry to me will hear me encourage them to pursue it themselves and ask that they tell me how things work out.
9. Similarly we've created an atmosphere of freedom so that anyone who feels led to start a particular ministry knows they can and that I will back them up as much as I can while leaving the implementation to them.
10. I choose to minimize my/our relationship with the denomination believing that time is better spent on my own community and relations with other pastors in my community.

None of this was systematically organized and implemented.
It's just the way it happened. And I'm glad it is the way it is.
It doesn't have to be as bad as the stats above tell us it is.
Pastors can be willing to achieve less for the sake of their families and their mental health and the long-run of their ministry.
And congregations can stop waiting to be serviced by their paid minister and start being the ministers they are supposed to be.
Nuff said.

by: liberalinlove

08-14-2010 @ 4:09pm

As a pastor's kid, I can say watching how people in the ministry of a church act, I walked away from my faith as a very young woman. God has never let me go and although he gave me a long leash, nothing has separated me from His all consuming and passionate love for me.

Subsequently, we have weathered several church splits as a family. One destroyed the pastor, whom we loved as well as his family.

With so much rotten fruit, I too wonder if the model is correct.

This may be one place I appreciate the LDS, (Mormon) church's way of doing things.

Also, I think like any calling, laying down ones life and picking up the cross, needs to be well thought out ahead of time.

The saddest forum I've been on recently was for spiritually abused people, who were still trying to recover years and years later from positions of ministry in S/A churches. Many of these former leaders had become agnostic.

by: BillSamuel

08-14-2010 @ 12:09am

Where did the current pastoral model come from? Is it a good one? I really think we have to look at possible different models of getting the church's work done looking at it comprehensively including both staff and unpaid volunteers. Can anyone be good at all the many roles which most pastors are expected to fill? Could different models allow pastors and others focus on what they are particularly gifted for?

by: liberalinlove

08-14-2010 @ 4:09pm

As a pastor's kid, I can say watching how people in the ministry of a church act, I walked away from my faith as a very young woman. God has never let me go and although he gave me a long leash, nothing has separated me from His all consuming and passionate love for me.

Subsequently, we have weathered several church splits as a family. One destroyed the pastor, whom we loved as well as his family.

With so much rotten fruit, I too wonder if the model is correct.

This may be one place I appreciate the LDS, (Mormon) church's way of doing things.

Also, I think like any calling, laying down ones life and picking up the cross, needs to be well thought out ahead of time.

The saddest forum I've been on recently was for spiritually abused people, who were still trying to recover years and years later from positions of ministry in S/A churches. Many of these former leaders had become agnostic.

by: sojomp

08-14-2010 @ 12:04am

Eugene, you sound like a very committed pastor who gives a great deal of yourself to your congregation and your ministry and I'm sure they very much appreciate it. But, you really need some perspective on how blessed you are to have the privilege of making a living (even if it is a modest one) while pursuing your calling.

*ALL* persons who serve those less fortunate are underpaid, underappreciated, and overworked. Think being a minister is stressful? I'm sure those blessed souls who lost their life in Afganistan while providing civilian aid were very stressed at the guns and violence they saw in their last moments of life. Upset about the financially modest life you lead? Try being a poor people's lawyer--the profession of law requires incurring more educational debt, out of pocket expenses, and wardrobe obligations than pastors. Finding it hard to establish boundaries? You've got nothing on social workers with outrageous caseloads who cannot skip challenging or dangerous home visits.

The idea that one can have a job that is low-stress, financially comfortable, 50 or fewer hours a week, and spiritually fulfilling is naive and unrealistic for the vast majority of people. Why you should be paid more, work fewer hours, or have less stress or more familial harmony than your poorest congregants? Or your fellow servants in different fields?

You, my earnest brother, are one of those extraordinarily lucky persons whose job is his art, passion, and calling. Most people who have the goal and inclination to serve others must struggle to make room for the time to do that after working the job that pays the bills, caring for those depending on them, AND contributing their treasure, time, and talents to their church. Most people don't have the time to devote to those things about which they are passionate because all their time goes to earning a living. And while weariness and the occasional twinge of jealousy, envy, or buyer's remorse is to be expected because we are all human, you really need to be grateful that you were fortunate enough to be able to make the choice that your profession would be to serve others, your church, and God.

And if that feeling of fortune does not overwhelm the negatives, than you should find either a job that feeds you or allows you to have the lifestyle you want. If you find both, let us know. Many of us servants would flock to it.

by: nothingwithoutChrist

08-25-2010 @ 12:08am

I've scanned this blog & the comments... Y'all need to actually read the bible with an open heart and try to see things from God's view maybe once. Claiming a spiritual gift "shepherd" as a title? Seperating the flock? Man it's one body, and Christ is the head. You are both illequipped, morally and spiritually and wrong to think you can replace Christ. You cannot prove to me from the bible your model of ordaining a gift from God. You can however see when the body works together fitly joined with all members excercising their proper role, and Christ as the head the manifold wisdom of God.

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by: JulieBurgii

08-12-2010 @ 2:58pm

I work for a pastor as the director of support ministries at our church, and I would agree with all Eugene has said. Let's all encourage them and their families in these special calls.

by: JulieBurgii

08-12-2010 @ 2:58pm

I work for a pastor as the director of support ministries at our church, and I would agree with all Eugene has said. Let's all encourage them and their families in these special calls.

by: letjusticerolldown

08-12-2010 @ 3:35pm

Wow. A post on this site that agrees with Focus on the Family.

by: letjusticerolldown

08-12-2010 @ 3:35pm

Wow. A post on this site that agrees with Focus on the Family.

by: BlueDeacon

08-12-2010 @ 6:33pm

I've been convinced for a very long time that we demand too much from our pastors. If we in the pews would only display some maturity from time to time and stand up on our two feet their job would be so much easier.

by: BlueDeacon

08-12-2010 @ 6:33pm

I've been convinced for a very long time that we demand too much from our pastors. If we in the pews would only display some maturity from time to time and stand up on our two feet their job would be so much easier.

by: Wendy McCaig

08-12-2010 @ 8:29pm

After reading all this, I think I need a career change. Actually it is kind of comforting to know that I am not alone in feeling alone, exhausted and undermined. There has to be a way of building a structure that does not kill the leader. Right? Some good words of caution in this post. May God give us the wisdom to avoid the pot holes of our profession.

by: Wendy McCaig

08-12-2010 @ 8:29pm

After reading all this, I think I need a career change. Actually it is kind of comforting to know that I am not alone in feeling alone, exhausted and undermined. There has to be a way of building a structure that does not kill the leader. Right? Some good words of caution in this post. May God give us the wisdom to avoid the pot holes of our profession.

by: mhb574

08-12-2010 @ 8:36pm

Thank you. Good article. I serve a church that can't afford to pay a full time salary and I work six mornings a week at a local building supply store that helps supplement our family's income--it pays for our catastrophic health insurance (which is aptly named). I'm tired most of the time and don't have enough time to seemingly do anything beyond the basics at the church. However, I'm learning it may not be such a bad thing.

I've known the following for a long time but it's taken me longer to embrace its reality: We clergy need to spend more time equipping/supporting the laity to embrace their calls (whatever they may be) and spend more time giving permission (or getting out of the way) when a lay person wants to act upon the vision God has given.

As I've learned to give up many of the reins at the church, that has allowed the lay people to step up to do the thing that God has called them to do.

In the 1800s the Methodist movement grew in America not just because of the circuit riding preachers but mostly because of lay led class meetings. That all changed when the Methodist church started locating pastors at specific churches or charges. Pastors became too hands on, gained too much control of the church and destroyed the "priesthood of all believers."

By getting out of the way of lay people and their ministries and instead just trying to preach Jesus Christ (and sound doctrine) I find myself able to approach my call to ministry with more balance. And believe it or not, our church is growing (albeit it slowly) because of these lay led ministries. (I'm still stressed and tired, but it's getting better because I see how the Holy Spirit is moving in other people around me.)

Mike

by: mhb574

08-12-2010 @ 8:36pm

Thank you. Good article. I serve a church that can't afford to pay a full time salary and I work six mornings a week at a local building supply store that helps supplement our family's income--it pays for our catastrophic health insurance (which is aptly named). I'm tired most of the time and don't have enough time to seemingly do anything beyond the basics at the church. However, I'm learning it may not be such a bad thing.

I've known the following for a long time but it's taken me longer to embrace its reality: We clergy need to spend more time equipping/supporting the laity to embrace their calls (whatever they may be) and spend more time giving permission (or getting out of the way) when a lay person wants to act upon the vision God has given.

As I've learned to give up many of the reins at the church, that has allowed the lay people to step up to do the thing that God has called them to do.

In the 1800s the Methodist movement grew in America not just because of the circuit riding preachers but mostly because of lay led class meetings. That all changed when the Methodist church started locating pastors at specific churches or charges. Pastors became too hands on, gained too much control of the church and destroyed the "priesthood of all believers."

By getting out of the way of lay people and their ministries and instead just trying to preach Jesus Christ (and sound doctrine) I find myself able to approach my call to ministry with more balance. And believe it or not, our church is growing (albeit it slowly) because of these lay led ministries. (I'm still stressed and tired, but it's getting better because I see how the Holy Spirit is moving in other people around me.)

Mike

by: jjernig2

08-12-2010 @ 8:45pm

Amen to this post.

Most congregations expect only 3 things from their pastors and their families. Perfection, perfection and perfection.

You must be on call 24/7. "Why give them Monday off? They have a Saturday and Sunday like everyone else.

The pastor's wife is never paid yet she must do as much as the pastor (organize Sunday school, teach classes, entertain, etc) and then perform her "wifely" duties.

I once heard a quote, "If my son decides to enter the clergy, I will try my best to discourage him. If he persists and succeeds in spite of my objections, I will support him with all of my heart."

by: jjernig2

08-12-2010 @ 8:45pm

Amen to this post.

Most congregations expect only 3 things from their pastors and their families. Perfection, perfection and perfection.

You must be on call 24/7. "Why give them Monday off? They have a Saturday and Sunday like everyone else.

The pastor's wife is never paid yet she must do as much as the pastor (organize Sunday school, teach classes, entertain, etc) and then perform her "wifely" duties.

I once heard a quote, "If my son decides to enter the clergy, I will try my best to discourage him. If he persists and succeeds in spite of my objections, I will support him with all of my heart."

by: jjernig2

08-12-2010 @ 8:45pm

Amen to this post.

Most congregations expect only 3 things from their pastors and their families. Perfection, perfection and perfection.

You must be on call 24/7. "Why give them Monday off? They have a Saturday and Sunday like everyone else.

The pastor's wife is never paid yet she must do as much as the pastor (organize Sunday school, teach classes, entertain, etc) and then perform her "wifely" duties.

I once heard a quote, "If my son decides to enter the clergy, I will try my best to discourage him. If he persists and succeeds in spite of my objections, I will support him with all of my heart."

by: HoosierNan

08-12-2010 @ 8:53pm

In "The Lutheran" magazine, brief notices of all clergy deaths are published each month. 50% or more are age 80 or more.

Maybe just retired clergy are OK?

by: HoosierNan

08-12-2010 @ 8:53pm

In "The Lutheran" magazine, brief notices of all clergy deaths are published each month. 50% or more are age 80 or more.

Maybe just retired clergy are OK?

by: HoosierNan

08-12-2010 @ 8:53pm

In "The Lutheran" magazine, brief notices of all clergy deaths are published each month. 50% or more are age 80 or more.

Maybe just retired clergy are OK?

by: Mike Crowl

08-12-2010 @ 9:11pm

Eugene, the batch of 'stats' you list beginning "1,500 pastors leave the ministry each month due to moral failure, spiritual burnout, or contention in their churches" has been doing the rounds of the Internet for some time, but no one seems to know where they actually came from.
This first stat, in fact, always strikes me as suspect: that's 18,000 pastors leaving the ministry every year. Can this figure be real? I've been discussing this online with another writer recently, and the more I see it, the less I'm inclined to believe it. This would mean that within a few years there would hardly be any ministers left working.
That ministers are in trouble isn't in doubt - it's one of the things our office has been working on for three or four years - but we need to get accurate stats on this, not something that's given a different source every time we see it.

by: Mike Crowl

08-12-2010 @ 9:11pm

Eugene, the batch of 'stats' you list beginning "1,500 pastors leave the ministry each month due to moral failure, spiritual burnout, or contention in their churches" has been doing the rounds of the Internet for some time, but no one seems to know where they actually came from.
This first stat, in fact, always strikes me as suspect: that's 18,000 pastors leaving the ministry every year. Can this figure be real? I've been discussing this online with another writer recently, and the more I see it, the less I'm inclined to believe it. This would mean that within a few years there would hardly be any ministers left working.
That ministers are in trouble isn't in doubt - it's one of the things our office has been working on for three or four years - but we need to get accurate stats on this, not something that's given a different source every time we see it.

by: Mike Crowl

08-12-2010 @ 9:11pm

Eugene, the batch of 'stats' you list beginning "1,500 pastors leave the ministry each month due to moral failure, spiritual burnout, or contention in their churches" has been doing the rounds of the Internet for some time, but no one seems to know where they actually came from.
This first stat, in fact, always strikes me as suspect: that's 18,000 pastors leaving the ministry every year. Can this figure be real? I've been discussing this online with another writer recently, and the more I see it, the less I'm inclined to believe it. This would mean that within a few years there would hardly be any ministers left working.
That ministers are in trouble isn't in doubt - it's one of the things our office has been working on for three or four years - but we need to get accurate stats on this, not something that's given a different source every time we see it.

by: BlueDeacon

08-13-2010 @ 1:28am

Tell you one thing I did. One day the lead pastor of my very large church (we also serve in music ministry together) had asked for prayer, and after our last service he was kneeling in front of the drum kit for about 20 minutes. After that time, I knelt and laid my hand on him (but didn't ask what was on his mind/heart although I knew lost some of his close friends, who were also on the staff, to other endeavors).

Bottom line, there are times when a pastor needs ministry from his/her congregation, and sometimes he/she shouldn't have to ask. Fortunately, I attend a church where this is understood, so his job is relatively easy. (I say relatively because 60 hours a week is still quite a bit.)

by: BlueDeacon

08-13-2010 @ 1:28am

Tell you one thing I did. One day the lead pastor of my very large church (we also serve in music ministry together) had asked for prayer, and after our last service he was kneeling in front of the drum kit for about 20 minutes. After that time, I knelt and laid my hand on him (but didn't ask what was on his mind/heart although I knew lost some of his close friends, who were also on the staff, to other endeavors).

Bottom line, there are times when a pastor needs ministry from his/her congregation, and sometimes he/she shouldn't have to ask. Fortunately, I attend a church where this is understood, so his job is relatively easy. (I say relatively because 60 hours a week is still quite a bit.)

by: struthster

08-13-2010 @ 2:59am

somehow it strikes me that if more of the people in the pew felt this stressed about being Christians, the Pastoral stats wouldn't be so striking.

by: struthster

08-13-2010 @ 2:59am

somehow it strikes me that if more of the people in the pew felt this stressed about being Christians, the Pastoral stats wouldn't be so striking.

by: struthster

08-13-2010 @ 2:59am

somehow it strikes me that if more of the people in the pew felt this stressed about being Christians, the Pastoral stats wouldn't be so striking.

by: mrsdirkgently

08-13-2010 @ 7:23am

Hi BlueDeacon, I agree with your comment that greater maturity in Christians would be a good thing, but sometimes I wonder if the churches really want that. Churches seem to encourage dependency in their members, tending to draw people's energy inwards, rather than empowering mature Christians who are fit and ready to answer the call of God in their lives. Well, that is my impression of churches here in Australia anyhow.

by: mrsdirkgently

08-13-2010 @ 7:23am

Hi BlueDeacon, I agree with your comment that greater maturity in Christians would be a good thing, but sometimes I wonder if the churches really want that. Churches seem to encourage dependency in their members, tending to draw people's energy inwards, rather than empowering mature Christians who are fit and ready to answer the call of God in their lives. Well, that is my impression of churches here in Australia anyhow.

by: Charles Kiker

08-13-2010 @ 1:35pm

I write as a retired pastor. Much of the stress of the pastorate comes from the necessity of having to make a living. In churches with congregational polity (those that I served) there's a constant tug of war between what the congregation likes and the ideals of the Christian calling. Making a living and maintaining integrity are in constant tension. (Churces with episcipal polity just move the stress down the line a tad--if bishops, dist. supts et all hear too much flak, something will have to give.) My impression from the NT is that pastoral leadership rose from within the local congregations; pastors probably continue to earn their living as before. You can have a paid priest; it's difficult to have a paid prophet.

by: Charles Kiker

08-13-2010 @ 1:35pm

I write as a retired pastor. Much of the stress of the pastorate comes from the necessity of having to make a living. In churches with congregational polity (those that I served) there's a constant tug of war between what the congregation likes and the ideals of the Christian calling. Making a living and maintaining integrity are in constant tension. (Churces with episcipal polity just move the stress down the line a tad--if bishops, dist. supts et all hear too much flak, something will have to give.) My impression from the NT is that pastoral leadership rose from within the local congregations; pastors probably continue to earn their living as before. You can have a paid priest; it's difficult to have a paid prophet.

by: Charles Kiker

08-13-2010 @ 1:35pm

I write as a retired pastor. Much of the stress of the pastorate comes from the necessity of having to make a living. In churches with congregational polity (those that I served) there's a constant tug of war between what the congregation likes and the ideals of the Christian calling. Making a living and maintaining integrity are in constant tension. (Churces with episcipal polity just move the stress down the line a tad--if bishops, dist. supts et all hear too much flak, something will have to give.) My impression from the NT is that pastoral leadership rose from within the local congregations; pastors probably continue to earn their living as before. You can have a paid priest; it's difficult to have a paid prophet.

by: reklabunde

08-13-2010 @ 5:24pm

Maybe part of the problem in our pastorcentric churches is that people have an unbiblical view of pastors and therefore have developed a set of unbiblical expectations that very few individuals could ever meet.

by: reklabunde

08-13-2010 @ 5:24pm

Maybe part of the problem in our pastorcentric churches is that people have an unbiblical view of pastors and therefore have developed a set of unbiblical expectations that very few individuals could ever meet.

by: reklabunde

08-13-2010 @ 5:24pm

Maybe part of the problem in our pastorcentric churches is that people have an unbiblical view of pastors and therefore have developed a set of unbiblical expectations that very few individuals could ever meet.

by: SkipinPT

08-13-2010 @ 11:05pm

I'm nearing 50. I pastor a congregation in the center of the least churched area in the USA, with an multi-generational attendance of 70 on any Sunday (average). While aligned with a denominaton our ties are limited and not considered particularly important by the congregation.

I worked in mid-management customer service for 20 years until God called ("forced") me into pastoral ministry. I've a BA in Biblical Studies from SPU and did not go to Seminary.Aside from the custodian I am the only staff. I'm paid under $40K. My wife is a weaver and between our incomes we have all we need and more. I have 5 weeks of vacation each year.(Last year I asked them to forego a Cost of living increase and give me another vacation week instead. They were happy to do so.)

With exceptions I typically take two days off each week. I spend a lot of time every day with my wife including a long walk each morning. We have four kids: 3 of them over 20 and one just starting at Seattle Pacific University. I see them a lot too.

The church I pastor is the church in which I grew up. Our board meetings are friendly and little over an hour in length. Our Quarterly business meetings never last more than 10 minutes consisting primarily of a financial report.

Am I stressed? Every Easter and Christmas, but it passes.
I'm a perfectionist about my messages so Saturday night can be stressful too. (But God always provides.)We are very active in our community (food drives/homeless shelter/ present at community events) and every year our reputation as winsom servants of Christ grows.

My intention is to pastor this same church for another ten years and then (God willing) the church will call someone younger who will continue similar ministry of loving service in the name of Jesus.

Here's some random things I believe contribute to my health as a pastor and the health of the congregation.
1. I love my town and I love my congregation and they love me.
2. I know without any doubt that God called me to this.
3. In teaching I stress that ALL of us are MINISTERS and I am no more important to the church's work than they are. The only difference between us is I am financially released to pursue this job.
4. I do not want the church to take people away from their families or their community. While we organize a few events each year mostly we encourage God's people to get out and be salt and light to the community. So no Wed or Sun night services, etc.
5. I don't take myself or my ministry too seriously. I'm not that important.
6. I emphasize servanthood and our general calling to follow Jesus example by pouring our lives out in service to others.
7. I emphasize that arrogance or superiority has no place in God's kingdom. Even if you think you're right you still have to treat others with gentleness and respect.
8. Anyone who suggests a ministry to me will hear me encourage them to pursue it themselves and ask that they tell me how things work out.
9. Similarly we've created an atmosphere of freedom so that anyone who feels led to start a particular ministry knows they can and that I will back them up as much as I can while leaving the implementation to them.
10. I choose to minimize my/our relationship with the denomination believing that time is better spent on my own community and relations with other pastors in my community.

None of this was systematically organized and implemented.
It's just the way it happened. And I'm glad it is the way it is.
It doesn't have to be as bad as the stats above tell us it is.
Pastors can be willing to achieve less for the sake of their families and their mental health and the long-run of their ministry.
And congregations can stop waiting to be serviced by their paid minister and start being the ministers they are supposed to be.
Nuff said.

by: SkipinPT

08-13-2010 @ 11:05pm

I'm nearing 50. I pastor a congregation in the center of the least churched area in the USA, with an multi-generational attendance of 70 on any Sunday (average). While aligned with a denominaton our ties are limited and not considered particularly important by the congregation.

I worked in mid-management customer service for 20 years until God called ("forced") me into pastoral ministry. I've a BA in Biblical Studies from SPU and did not go to Seminary.Aside from the custodian I am the only staff. I'm paid under $40K. My wife is a weaver and between our incomes we have all we need and more. I have 5 weeks of vacation each year.(Last year I asked them to forego a Cost of living increase and give me another vacation week instead. They were happy to do so.)

With exceptions I typically take two days off each week. I spend a lot of time every day with my wife including a long walk each morning. We have four kids: 3 of them over 20 and one just starting at Seattle Pacific University. I see them a lot too.

The church I pastor is the church in which I grew up. Our board meetings are friendly and little over an hour in length. Our Quarterly business meetings never last more than 10 minutes consisting primarily of a financial report.

Am I stressed? Every Easter and Christmas, but it passes.
I'm a perfectionist about my messages so Saturday night can be stressful too. (But God always provides.)We are very active in our community (food drives/homeless shelter/ present at community events) and every year our reputation as winsom servants of Christ grows.

My intention is to pastor this same church for another ten years and then (God willing) the church will call someone younger who will continue similar ministry of loving service in the name of Jesus.

Here's some random things I believe contribute to my health as a pastor and the health of the congregation.
1. I love my town and I love my congregation and they love me.
2. I know without any doubt that God called me to this.
3. In teaching I stress that ALL of us are MINISTERS and I am no more important to the church's work than they are. The only difference between us is I am financially released to pursue this job.
4. I do not want the church to take people away from their families or their community. While we organize a few events each year mostly we encourage God's people to get out and be salt and light to the community. So no Wed or Sun night services, etc.
5. I don't take myself or my ministry too seriously. I'm not that important.
6. I emphasize servanthood and our general calling to follow Jesus example by pouring our lives out in service to others.
7. I emphasize that arrogance or superiority has no place in God's kingdom. Even if you think you're right you still have to treat others with gentleness and respect.
8. Anyone who suggests a ministry to me will hear me encourage them to pursue it themselves and ask that they tell me how things work out.
9. Similarly we've created an atmosphere of freedom so that anyone who feels led to start a particular ministry knows they can and that I will back them up as much as I can while leaving the implementation to them.
10. I choose to minimize my/our relationship with the denomination believing that time is better spent on my own community and relations with other pastors in my community.

None of this was systematically organized and implemented.
It's just the way it happened. And I'm glad it is the way it is.
It doesn't have to be as bad as the stats above tell us it is.
Pastors can be willing to achieve less for the sake of their families and their mental health and the long-run of their ministry.
And congregations can stop waiting to be serviced by their paid minister and start being the ministers they are supposed to be.
Nuff said.

by: SkipinPT

08-13-2010 @ 11:05pm

I'm nearing 50. I pastor a congregation in the center of the least churched area in the USA, with an multi-generational attendance of 70 on any Sunday (average). While aligned with a denominaton our ties are limited and not considered particularly important by the congregation.

I worked in mid-management customer service for 20 years until God called ("forced") me into pastoral ministry. I've a BA in Biblical Studies from SPU and did not go to Seminary.Aside from the custodian I am the only staff. I'm paid under $40K. My wife is a weaver and between our incomes we have all we need and more. I have 5 weeks of vacation each year.(Last year I asked them to forego a Cost of living increase and give me another vacation week instead. They were happy to do so.)

With exceptions I typically take two days off each week. I spend a lot of time every day with my wife including a long walk each morning. We have four kids: 3 of them over 20 and one just starting at Seattle Pacific University. I see them a lot too.

The church I pastor is the church in which I grew up. Our board meetings are friendly and little over an hour in length. Our Quarterly business meetings never last more than 10 minutes consisting primarily of a financial report.

Am I stressed? Every Easter and Christmas, but it passes.
I'm a perfectionist about my messages so Saturday night can be stressful too. (But God always provides.)We are very active in our community (food drives/homeless shelter/ present at community events) and every year our reputation as winsom servants of Christ grows.

My intention is to pastor this same church for another ten years and then (God willing) the church will call someone younger who will continue similar ministry of loving service in the name of Jesus.

Here's some random things I believe contribute to my health as a pastor and the health of the congregation.
1. I love my town and I love my congregation and they love me.
2. I know without any doubt that God called me to this.
3. In teaching I stress that ALL of us are MINISTERS and I am no more important to the church's work than they are. The only difference between us is I am financially released to pursue this job.
4. I do not want the church to take people away from their families or their community. While we organize a few events each year mostly we encourage God's people to get out and be salt and light to the community. So no Wed or Sun night services, etc.
5. I don't take myself or my ministry too seriously. I'm not that important.
6. I emphasize servanthood and our general calling to follow Jesus example by pouring our lives out in service to others.
7. I emphasize that arrogance or superiority has no place in God's kingdom. Even if you think you're right you still have to treat others with gentleness and respect.
8. Anyone who suggests a ministry to me will hear me encourage them to pursue it themselves and ask that they tell me how things work out.
9. Similarly we've created an atmosphere of freedom so that anyone who feels led to start a particular ministry knows they can and that I will back them up as much as I can while leaving the implementation to them.
10. I choose to minimize my/our relationship with the denomination believing that time is better spent on my own community and relations with other pastors in my community.

None of this was systematically organized and implemented.
It's just the way it happened. And I'm glad it is the way it is.
It doesn't have to be as bad as the stats above tell us it is.
Pastors can be willing to achieve less for the sake of their families and their mental health and the long-run of their ministry.
And congregations can stop waiting to be serviced by their paid minister and start being the ministers they are supposed to be.
Nuff said.

by: sojomp

08-14-2010 @ 12:04am

Eugene, you sound like a very committed pastor who gives a great deal of yourself to your congregation and your ministry and I'm sure they very much appreciate it. But, you really need some perspective on how blessed you are to have the privilege of making a living (even if it is a modest one) while pursuing your calling.

*ALL* persons who serve those less fortunate are underpaid, underappreciated, and overworked. Think being a minister is stressful? I'm sure those blessed souls who lost their life in Afganistan while providing civilian aid were very stressed at the guns and violence they saw in their last moments of life. Upset about the financially modest life you lead? Try being a poor people's lawyer--the profession of law requires incurring more educational debt, out of pocket expenses, and wardrobe obligations than pastors. Finding it hard to establish boundaries? You've got nothing on social workers with outrageous caseloads who cannot skip challenging or dangerous home visits.

The idea that one can have a job that is low-stress, financially comfortable, 50 or fewer hours a week, and spiritually fulfilling is naive and unrealistic for the vast majority of people. Why you should be paid more, work fewer hours, or have less stress or more familial harmony than your poorest congregants? Or your fellow servants in different fields?

You, my earnest brother, are one of those extraordinarily lucky persons whose job is his art, passion, and calling. Most people who have the goal and inclination to serve others must struggle to make room for the time to do that after working the job that pays the bills, caring for those depending on them, AND contributing their treasure, time, and talents to their church. Most people don't have the time to devote to those things about which they are passionate because all their time goes to earning a living. And while weariness and the occasional twinge of jealousy, envy, or buyer's remorse is to be expected because we are all human, you really need to be grateful that you were fortunate enough to be able to make the choice that your profession would be to serve others, your church, and God.

And if that feeling of fortune does not overwhelm the negatives, than you should find either a job that feeds you or allows you to have the lifestyle you want. If you find both, let us know. Many of us servants would flock to it.

by: sojomp

08-14-2010 @ 12:04am

Eugene, you sound like a very committed pastor who gives a great deal of yourself to your congregation and your ministry and I'm sure they very much appreciate it. But, you really need some perspective on how blessed you are to have the privilege of making a living (even if it is a modest one) while pursuing your calling.

*ALL* persons who serve those less fortunate are underpaid, underappreciated, and overworked. Think being a minister is stressful? I'm sure those blessed souls who lost their life in Afganistan while providing civilian aid were very stressed at the guns and violence they saw in their last moments of life. Upset about the financially modest life you lead? Try being a poor people's lawyer--the profession of law requires incurring more educational debt, out of pocket expenses, and wardrobe obligations than pastors. Finding it hard to establish boundaries? You've got nothing on social workers with outrageous caseloads who cannot skip challenging or dangerous home visits.

The idea that one can have a job that is low-stress, financially comfortable, 50 or fewer hours a week, and spiritually fulfilling is naive and unrealistic for the vast majority of people. Why you should be paid more, work fewer hours, or have less stress or more familial harmony than your poorest congregants? Or your fellow servants in different fields?

You, my earnest brother, are one of those extraordinarily lucky persons whose job is his art, passion, and calling. Most people who have the goal and inclination to serve others must struggle to make room for the time to do that after working the job that pays the bills, caring for those depending on them, AND contributing their treasure, time, and talents to their church. Most people don't have the time to devote to those things about which they are passionate because all their time goes to earning a living. And while weariness and the occasional twinge of jealousy, envy, or buyer's remorse is to be expected because we are all human, you really need to be grateful that you were fortunate enough to be able to make the choice that your profession would be to serve others, your church, and God.

And if that feeling of fortune does not overwhelm the negatives, than you should find either a job that feeds you or allows you to have the lifestyle you want. If you find both, let us know. Many of us servants would flock to it.

by: sojomp

08-14-2010 @ 12:04am

Eugene, you sound like a very committed pastor who gives a great deal of yourself to your congregation and your ministry and I'm sure they very much appreciate it. But, you really need some perspective on how blessed you are to have the privilege of making a living (even if it is a modest one) while pursuing your calling.

*ALL* persons who serve those less fortunate are underpaid, underappreciated, and overworked. Think being a minister is stressful? I'm sure those blessed souls who lost their life in Afganistan while providing civilian aid were very stressed at the guns and violence they saw in their last moments of life. Upset about the financially modest life you lead? Try being a poor people's lawyer--the profession of law requires incurring more educational debt, out of pocket expenses, and wardrobe obligations than pastors. Finding it hard to establish boundaries? You've got nothing on social workers with outrageous caseloads who cannot skip challenging or dangerous home visits.

The idea that one can have a job that is low-stress, financially comfortable, 50 or fewer hours a week, and spiritually fulfilling is naive and unrealistic for the vast majority of people. Why you should be paid more, work fewer hours, or have less stress or more familial harmony than your poorest congregants? Or your fellow servants in different fields?

You, my earnest brother, are one of those extraordinarily lucky persons whose job is his art, passion, and calling. Most people who have the goal and inclination to serve others must struggle to make room for the time to do that after working the job that pays the bills, caring for those depending on them, AND contributing their treasure, time, and talents to their church. Most people don't have the time to devote to those things about which they are passionate because all their time goes to earning a living. And while weariness and the occasional twinge of jealousy, envy, or buyer's remorse is to be expected because we are all human, you really need to be grateful that you were fortunate enough to be able to make the choice that your profession would be to serve others, your church, and God.

And if that feeling of fortune does not overwhelm the negatives, than you should find either a job that feeds you or allows you to have the lifestyle you want. If you find both, let us know. Many of us servants would flock to it.

by: BillSamuel

08-14-2010 @ 12:09am

Where did the current pastoral model come from? Is it a good one? I really think we have to look at possible different models of getting the church's work done looking at it comprehensively including both staff and unpaid volunteers. Can anyone be good at all the many roles which most pastors are expected to fill? Could different models allow pastors and others focus on what they are particularly gifted for?

by: BillSamuel

08-14-2010 @ 12:09am

Where did the current pastoral model come from? Is it a good one? I really think we have to look at possible different models of getting the church's work done looking at it comprehensively including both staff and unpaid volunteers. Can anyone be good at all the many roles which most pastors are expected to fill? Could different models allow pastors and others focus on what they are particularly gifted for?

by: BillSamuel

08-14-2010 @ 12:09am

Where did the current pastoral model come from? Is it a good one? I really think we have to look at possible different models of getting the church's work done looking at it comprehensively including both staff and unpaid volunteers. Can anyone be good at all the many roles which most pastors are expected to fill? Could different models allow pastors and others focus on what they are particularly gifted for?

by: kansasmennonite

08-14-2010 @ 2:23am

Your post reminds me of my sister-in-law's brother who is a minister and quit that position and had to take a job in a factory. That was a real eye opener for him! Now he knew why people didn't want to go to Wednesday night service, etc. Their job took up all their energies. Yes, it sure would be nice to have a job that is one's passion. Maybe some day that will happen for me.

by: kansasmennonite

08-14-2010 @ 2:23am

Your post reminds me of my sister-in-law's brother who is a minister and quit that position and had to take a job in a factory. That was a real eye opener for him! Now he knew why people didn't want to go to Wednesday night service, etc. Their job took up all their energies. Yes, it sure would be nice to have a job that is one's passion. Maybe some day that will happen for me.

by: kansasmennonite

08-14-2010 @ 2:23am

Your post reminds me of my sister-in-law's brother who is a minister and quit that position and had to take a job in a factory. That was a real eye opener for him! Now he knew why people didn't want to go to Wednesday night service, etc. Their job took up all their energies. Yes, it sure would be nice to have a job that is one's passion. Maybe some day that will happen for me.

by: liberalinlove

08-14-2010 @ 4:09pm

As a pastor's kid, I can say watching how people in the ministry of a church act, I walked away from my faith as a very young woman. God has never let me go and although he gave me a long leash, nothing has separated me from His all consuming and passionate love for me.

Subsequently, we have weathered several church splits as a family. One destroyed the pastor, whom we loved as well as his family.

With so much rotten fruit, I too wonder if the model is correct.

This may be one place I appreciate the LDS, (Mormon) church's way of doing things.

Also, I think like any calling, laying down ones life and picking up the cross, needs to be well thought out ahead of time.

The saddest forum I've been on recently was for spiritually abused people, who were still trying to recover years and years later from positions of ministry in S/A churches. Many of these former leaders had become agnostic.

by: liberalinlove

08-14-2010 @ 4:09pm

As a pastor's kid, I can say watching how people in the ministry of a church act, I walked away from my faith as a very young woman. God has never let me go and although he gave me a long leash, nothing has separated me from His all consuming and passionate love for me.

Subsequently, we have weathered several church splits as a family. One destroyed the pastor, whom we loved as well as his family.

With so much rotten fruit, I too wonder if the model is correct.

This may be one place I appreciate the LDS, (Mormon) church's way of doing things.

Also, I think like any calling, laying down ones life and picking up the cross, needs to be well thought out ahead of time.

The saddest forum I've been on recently was for spiritually abused people, who were still trying to recover years and years later from positions of ministry in S/A churches. Many of these former leaders had become agnostic.

by: liberalinlove

08-14-2010 @ 4:09pm

As a pastor's kid, I can say watching how people in the ministry of a church act, I walked away from my faith as a very young woman. God has never let me go and although he gave me a long leash, nothing has separated me from His all consuming and passionate love for me.

Subsequently, we have weathered several church splits as a family. One destroyed the pastor, whom we loved as well as his family.

With so much rotten fruit, I too wonder if the model is correct.

This may be one place I appreciate the LDS, (Mormon) church's way of doing things.

Also, I think like any calling, laying down ones life and picking up the cross, needs to be well thought out ahead of time.

The saddest forum I've been on recently was for spiritually abused people, who were still trying to recover years and years later from positions of ministry in S/A churches. Many of these former leaders had become agnostic.

by: Christoph Nauer

08-15-2010 @ 4:48am

I've been in pastoral ministry for almost 20 years and know exactly what Eugene is talking about. That's one of the reason I became a life coach so I can help pastors and church employees. If you want to be present to others and minister to and with them you have to be at your best. The only way to do this, is by taking care of yourself first and this has absolutely nothing to do with selfishness. Once you take good care of yourself and set limits to your pastoral schedule you become the best you can be, you become, what
God calls you to be.

by: Christoph Nauer

08-15-2010 @ 4:48am

I've been in pastoral ministry for almost 20 years and know exactly what Eugene is talking about. That's one of the reason I became a life coach so I can help pastors and church employees. If you want to be present to others and minister to and with them you have to be at your best. The only way to do this, is by taking care of yourself first and this has absolutely nothing to do with selfishness. Once you take good care of yourself and set limits to your pastoral schedule you become the best you can be, you become, what
God calls you to be.

by: Christoph Nauer

08-15-2010 @ 4:48am

I've been in pastoral ministry for almost 20 years and know exactly what Eugene is talking about. That's one of the reason I became a life coach so I can help pastors and church employees. If you want to be present to others and minister to and with them you have to be at your best. The only way to do this, is by taking care of yourself first and this has absolutely nothing to do with selfishness. Once you take good care of yourself and set limits to your pastoral schedule you become the best you can be, you become, what
God calls you to be.