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Study Finds White Evangelicals Believe in American Exceptionalism

More than eight-in-10 white evangelical Christians in the United States believe that God has granted the United States a special role in history, according to a study released Wednesday.

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The study, conducted by the Public Religion Research Institute in cooperation with the Brookings Institution, also found that these white evangelicals are joined by a majority of all U.S. residents (58 percent) who also believe that, "God has granted America a special role in human history."

Now the question immediately arises, "What is a 'special role?'"

As a Christian, I tend to believe that God has a "special role" for every person and every nation. Too often, however, we confuse "special" with "exceptional." If we agree that God has granted the United States a special role in history, then shouldn't we also agree that God has granted Thailand and Kenya a special role?

Unfortunately, I don't think that's what most of the respondents in the study had in mind, and the research of Robert P. Jones, CEO of the Public Religion Research Institute, seems to agree. In Jones' analysis he found:

"Americans who affirm the idea of 'American exceptionalism,' a belief that God has given the U.S. a special role in human history, have a distinctly more militaristic approach to foreign policy than those who do not affirm this idea. Those who believe in American exceptionalism are more likely to favor military strength over diplomacy as the best way to ensure peace, and they are also more likely to say torture can be justified than those who do not believe God has given the U.S. a special role."

Jones is referring to the disturbing finding in the same study that a majority of white Americans who say God has a special role for the U.S. also believe that peace is best found through the use of military strength rather than diplomacy and that torture can be justified in at least some cases.

Additionally, an especially regretful 73 percent of those who identify with the Tea Party chose military over diplomacy.

Yes, God has a plan for us, but it is "love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you."
Another red flag went up from the study when respondents were asked what was the most important factor heading into this year's election.

Nearly everyone in the country has been affected by the recession; many families are subsisting day-to-day in a manner they never would have imagined just three years ago. Everyone knows someone who has lost a job and is suffering from the financial and emotional consequences.

It's not too surprising then that almost half of the respondents listed "the economy" as their top concern. But we, as Christians, have to be diligent that we don't let our other priorities fall by the way side. It's disconcerting to hear that only 1-in-20 respondents listed their main concern as the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, where both the residents of those countries and the soldiers of this nation must remain prominently on our minds. Similarly low numbers of respondents listed immigration or same-sex marriage as their top priority.

If we truly were to be an "exceptional" nation, one would expect our priorities to be aligned in an exceptional way. As Jim Wallis says, we can't just ask when we'll get out of this recession; we have to ask how it will change us. We must guard against fixing our sights solely on the wealth of our nation. "For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also."

We pray to God, "Your kingdom come. Your will be done," but it comes so naturally to be more concerned about the wealth and comfort of our kingdom. What if Jesus really meant it when he said, "The coming of the kingdom of God is not something that can be observed, nor will people say, 'Here it is,' or 'There it is,' because the kingdom of God is in your midst"?

Let us pray for our nation that it will do its best to reflect God's kingdom and not try to become God's kingdom, and let us contemplate the sobering words of the Psalmist, "Therefore, you kings, be wise; be warned, you rulers of the earth. Serve the LORD with fear and celebrate his rule with trembling."

portrait-evan-trowbridgeEvan Trowbridge is the communications assistant at Sojourners.

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by: barryldavis

11-26-2010 @ 5:03pm

In is ironic that you have such a hesitancy to admit superiority when it comes to various countries, yet write while holding such a superior attitude concerning yourself and your positions.

by: BlueDeacon

11-26-2010 @ 5:07pm

Flag on the play.

by: liberalinlove

11-25-2010 @ 6:17pm

My friends who believe in American Exceptionalism, believe that fact makes our Country the right hand of God, meting out God's will for every other country and for her own people.

by: barryldavis

11-26-2010 @ 5:11pm

I don't know what that means. I guess like most liberals you just choose to skirt around the facts. If you can live with that, I guess I can too.

by: BlueDeacon

11-26-2010 @ 5:12pm

That means that I've asked the moderator to remove your comment because it represented a personal attack.

by: BlueDeacon

12-01-2010 @ 6:25am

I guess it all depends on what is meant by "good". The Steelers are a good football team. My mother is a good woman. There's nothing idolatrous about saying so.

The problem is when you start making comparisons that don't really matter in the long run. Theologically, no one is good.

by: barryldavis

11-26-2010 @ 5:38pm

Oh...you're one of those sensitive types huh? Again, typical liberal tactic -- have no argument, so you do whatever you can to silence those with the facts on their side. I actually feel sorry for you.

by: Greg Dill

12-01-2010 @ 4:42pm

Charles - You are right in that many people in other countries equate Christianity with Americanism. And, this is NOT a good thing. It's important, especially when ministering to Muslims that Christianity does not equal America. Many Muslims equate Christianity with: the crusades, military build-up in Iraq and Afghanistan, Britney Spears, decadence, immorality, and so forth. This is why it's important that we don't go as missionaries to other countries to "Americanize" them, but to simply share the Gospel of Jesus Christ and be a living testimony and lavish them with His love and grace.

Regarding immigration, however convoluted it has become, one of America's foundational purposes for existing has always been the invitation for people all across the globe to come and live in freedom. History books can indeed be slanted. But remnants of historical truth can still be found in America today. Doesn't the poem by Emma Lazarus engraved upon the Statue of Liberty still resonate with us? "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

I certainly hope so.

by: barryldavis

11-25-2010 @ 8:58pm

BlueDeacon, it is not "jingoism" but simple truth. Can you name one other country in the history of humankind that has given as much to others as the United States?

by: BlueDeacon

11-26-2010 @ 5:55pm

This has nothing to do with ideology and everything to do with your refusal to abide by the code of conduct, specifically "I will express my disagreements with other community members' ideas without insulting, mocking or slandering them personally," particularly when you referred to my "superior attitude."

by: barryldavis

11-26-2010 @ 6:00pm

So are you within the line of conduct when you accuse me of idolatry and nationalism? I've come to the conclusion that you are just a first-class wuss who can't deal with an opposing viewpoint. That's okay. Please flag me again like a little girl. Thanks.

by: kansasmennonite

11-25-2010 @ 9:23pm

barryldavis wrote: "Can you name one other country in the history of humankind that has given as much to others as the United States?"

I find it interesting that the people who take this exceptional view of the US want to restrict access to health care and restirct rights of other religions and sexual identities. Who's giving to whom?

by: BlueDeacon

11-26-2010 @ 6:05pm

I never attacked you personally, just your ideas. Specifically, I said, "That's idolatrous" but not "You're an idolater."

by: barryldavis

11-25-2010 @ 9:29pm

kansasmennonite -- answer my question and I'd be glad to answer yours.

by: barryldavis

11-26-2010 @ 6:07pm

Semantics...again, offer an argument for your position if you have one. I'm growing tired of this pettiness.

by: Common Loon

11-26-2010 @ 6:21pm

A: America has been good for the world, but has also been pretty bad at times.

B: America has been bad for the world, but has also been pretty good at times.

Aren't we pretty much debating A vs. B here?

by: liberalinlove

11-25-2010 @ 11:06pm

The questions is why do we give to other countries. Is it always for altruistic purposes, or are we hedging our bets for reinvestment? We are truly a giving country, but much of our wealth was earned at the expense of many, and those situations still cry out for justice.

by: BlueDeacon

11-26-2010 @ 6:23pm

Oh, I don't think you're interested in my position, just starting a a fight, and I'm not going to give you one. You should know that a lot of conservatives who don't know the difference between stating a position and personally attacking someone for holding an opposite one end up being banned from this blog or leave on their own because folks here won't necessarily bend to their way of thinking, which many of us non-conservatives consider delusional. So if you're growing tired of this "pettiness" ... well, you have a choice to make.

Getting back on topic, which was about over 80 percent of white evangelicals believing in American "exceptionalism," we see that as a problem infecting not only the American church but also our missionary efforts. I attend a church in a missionary denomination that has established churches in (I believe) over 80 countries, and as such we have to remove our cultural trappings from the authentic, historic Christian faith.

by: BlueDeacon

11-26-2010 @ 6:27pm

Not really. It's the idea that some people would rather be "right" than reconciled, which runs counter to the Gospel.

by: barryldavis

11-26-2010 @ 6:29pm

BlueDeacon, I actually wasn't looking for a fight, but some intelligent discussion. Since you aren't capable of that, I'll wait for someone else.

As far as being banned goes...no big deal to me. I think I'll survive without this pitifully irreverent and anti-biblical website.

by: Charles Kiker

12-01-2010 @ 10:13pm

Greg, the Emma Lazarus poem is a wonderful expression of a high ideal. I'm

glad it's there and it does resonate with many of us--but not all of us, not

even all of us on this blog. Witness the anti-immigrant sentiments expressed

in comments regarding a path to green cards and finally to citizenship for

undocumented farm workers. I fear that at this moment in time that sentiment

overwhelms the poem on the Statue of Liberty. We have had similar periods in

the past re: Chinese, Italians, and others. Even Native Americans were not

considered citizens and allowed to vote until sometime in the 1920's.

by: BlueDeacon

11-26-2010 @ 6:30pm

Another flag. BTW, you certainly did come here looking for a fight.

by: CitizenDreamer

11-26-2010 @ 1:10am

I am not sure how this sort of certainty about God's favoritism is anything short of heresy.

by: barryldavis

11-26-2010 @ 6:33pm

Please flag me some more. It just shows what an unbelievable wuss you are. Were you the tattletale in grammar school too?

by: BlueDeacon

11-26-2010 @ 6:42pm

Uh -- calling me a wuss, which anyone who has tangled with me knows is totally false, represents just another personal attack. Besides, as a 260-pound former basketball player, I have no reason to back down from anyone. Jus' sayin ...

by: Common Loon

11-26-2010 @ 6:41pm

Oh the joys of online discourse. Thanks for scaring the rest of us away, my brothers.

by: barryldavis

11-26-2010 @ 6:44pm

Why do fat guys always think they are tough?

by: BlueDeacon

11-26-2010 @ 6:52pm

I don't need to prove my "toughness" to you or anyone else -- other people who frequent this blog will testify to that. But it's apparent to me that you came here to insult and browbeat those who don't subscribe to your position, which is not what this blog is for. I suspect that you'll be banned very soon.

Now, do you want to address the topic at hand, or are you just going to call people names who don't agree with you?

by: BlueDeacon

11-26-2010 @ 4:06am

Irrelevant. We've also created havoc in much of the world, especially Latin America -- and the more "conservative" the government the more arrogant it turns out to be. Remember the criticism President Obama received because of his so-called "apology tour" when he went around the world trying to mend fences with other countries.

by: barryldavis

11-26-2010 @ 6:55pm

Great. Then you can just sit here and agree with all the other liberal lemmings who don't know how to think for themselves.

by: BlueDeacon

11-23-2010 @ 4:21pm

The irony in all this is that, in the early 1990s when another recession had hit, many "culture warriors" wanted Christians to ignore economic concerns; Randall Terry's church took out full-page ads in the New York Times and USA Today during the 1992 general election telling people not to vote for Bill Clinton.

Anyway, the real problem with American "exceptionalism" is its focus on authority, not service ("To whom much is given, much is required").

by: Greg Dill

12-02-2010 @ 6:05am

Like I said, "remnants of historical truth". I agree, most Americans are becoming increasingly anti-immigration. Not just farm workers, but undocumented immigrants in general, including students who have been schooled in the US only to be deported back to their country upon graduation. It saddens me.

by: PDBurns

11-23-2010 @ 4:44pm

I read this article after watching "God grew tired of us" last night, a film that follows a few lost boys from the Sudan from the refugee camp in Kenya to places like Pittsburgh and Syracuse. A number of "Lost Boys" have been placed in my community.
Blue Deacon is right when he states... "To much is given, much is required." Certainly more can be done. Still many refugees are grateful to individuals and communities which have been welcoming and have seen Jesus in all of humanity.
I simply do not like the question "Do you believe that God has granted the United States a special role in history?" Bad assumptions and poor questions make for bad studies.

by: BlueDeacon

11-26-2010 @ 7:13pm

Sorry about that. You prove the point I was trying to make.

by: barryldavis

11-26-2010 @ 7:12pm

Then perhaps you could comment on why you applaud a "president" who is FOR partial-birth abortion?

by: BlueDeacon

11-26-2010 @ 7:11pm

Oh, we can think for ourselves, all right -- we just don't agree with you and also believe that the conservative worldview has some fatal flaws that it won't address. That's why this blog exists.

by: Charles Kiker

11-23-2010 @ 5:38pm

This article saddens, but does not surprise me. A recent post on this blog mentions the fear of Anabaptists taking over--definitely an unfounded fear. But would to God that our churches, God's churches, would demonstrate just a tad of Anabaptism's recognition of the danger of too closely aligning ourselves with the kingdoms of this age.

by: BlueDeacon

11-26-2010 @ 7:15pm

Off-topic. But since you asked (and I happen to know not only the full story but also the entire history what went on with that), NOBODY applauds partial-birth abortion, which BTW was already illegal in most states when the federal ban was enacted.

by: Joe_Allen_Doty

11-23-2010 @ 6:23pm

I am a BELIEVER in Jesus; in a way, calling myself "Christian" is like people from Oklahoma adopting the hateful epithet "Okie" when they have never left the state to look for work.

I am Evangelical by practice. I can prove that I am not actually white either...with a Bureau of Indian Affairs issued card.

Most politically conservative folks self-identifying as "Evangelical" are not interested in telling others about Jesus' free gift of salvation nor are they interested in helping people who are in need. Many of them donate money to faith-based religious organizations because they don't want to be bothered with helping the needy personally.

by: Common Loon

11-26-2010 @ 7:53pm

The irony is that I agree with your politics, Blue D. Just not your tone (and Barry's too).

by: barryldavis

11-26-2010 @ 10:37am

Okay. I didn't realize you were a part of the "Hate America First" crowd.

by: BlueDeacon

11-26-2010 @ 8:27pm

Well, in cases like these you have people interested only in disrupting things, not reasoned debate. The goal is to goad them into making them say something inappropriate to get them banned or drive them away on their own.

by: WaveTossed

11-26-2010 @ 8:50pm

barryldavis wrote: "BlueDeacon, it is not 'jingoism' but simple truth. Can you name one other country in the history of humankind that has given as much to others as the United States?"

Are you talking about material gifts? Or gifts of the spirit? Myself, I fail to see how invading a country out of false pretenses constitutes "giving to the world."

Our country has a lot to offer. But so do other countries. We are all in one spirit under Christ.

by: WaveTossed

11-26-2010 @ 8:54pm

barryldavis wrote "Okay. I didn't realize you were a part of the "Hate America First" crowd."

Wha-a-a-a-TTT????!!! What in the world is the "Hate America First" crowd?

If someone criticizes particular actions that some American leaders have taken, does that means that they are part of the "Hate America First" crowd?

One wonderful featue of America is that we have the sovereign right to publically criticize our leaders without being declared part of the "Hate America First" crowd.

by: Joel225A

11-23-2010 @ 9:01pm

This was interesting ...

In 1927 Jay Lovestone, leader of the Communist Party in America, defined American exceptionalism as the increasing strength of American capitalism, a strength which he said prevented Communist revolution.[22] In 1929, Soviet Dictator Joseph Stalin, unwilling to believe that America was so resistant to revolution, called Lovestone's ideas "the heresy of American exceptionalism."[23] In the 1930s, academicians in the U.S. redefined American exceptionalism as befitting a nation that was to lead the world, with the U.S. to serve the older European societies as an example of a liberated future free from Marxism and socialism.[23] More recently, socialists and other writers have tried to discover or describe this exceptionalism of the U.S. within and outside its borders.[24]

by: WaveTossed

11-26-2010 @ 8:57pm

barryldavis wrote: "Please flag me again like a little girl. Thanks."

Oh, so being a little girl is wrong? Please explain this statement.

by: bbuudd

11-26-2010 @ 9:16pm

Barry - the proper role of the Church in society is to stand along side those in power and stand as a corrective voice. Our nation does not need the Church to be cheerleaders. There are already enough of those. What is needed are prophetic voices that point to a higher road.

We can't do both. As soon as a person publicly dons the red, white, and blue and gives their allegiance to nation, they have already pulled their own prophetic teeth.

by: Lord_Voldemort

11-23-2010 @ 9:13pm

"American Exceptionalism" is a red herring. It's the realistic view of the potential for diplomacy, and corresponding higher level of confidence in the military that is the real concern of this writer, and Sojo's staff in general.

LV

by: bbuudd

11-26-2010 @ 9:16pm

Barry - the proper role of the Church in society is to stand along side those in power and stand as a corrective voice. Our nation does not need the Church to be cheerleaders. There are already enough of those. What is needed are prophetic voices that point to a higher road.

We can't do both. As soon as a person publicly dons the red, white, and blue and gives their allegiance to nation, they have already pulled their own prophetic teeth.

by: Ngchen

11-23-2010 @ 9:15pm

So are you insinuating that the people raising these concerns are Communists, Marxists, and socialists?

When one considers how we are all children of God, and how our primary allegiance is to Him, concerns about excessive nationalism come naturally.

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by: BlueDeacon

11-23-2010 @ 4:21pm

The irony in all this is that, in the early 1990s when another recession had hit, many "culture warriors" wanted Christians to ignore economic concerns; Randall Terry's church took out full-page ads in the New York Times and USA Today during the 1992 general election telling people not to vote for Bill Clinton.

Anyway, the real problem with American "exceptionalism" is its focus on authority, not service ("To whom much is given, much is required").

by: BlueDeacon

11-23-2010 @ 4:21pm

The irony in all this is that, in the early 1990s when another recession had hit, many "culture warriors" wanted Christians to ignore economic concerns; Randall Terry's church took out full-page ads in the New York Times and USA Today during the 1992 general election telling people not to vote for Bill Clinton.

Anyway, the real problem with American "exceptionalism" is its focus on authority, not service ("To whom much is given, much is required").

by: PDBurns

11-23-2010 @ 4:44pm

I read this article after watching "God grew tired of us" last night, a film that follows a few lost boys from the Sudan from the refugee camp in Kenya to places like Pittsburgh and Syracuse. A number of "Lost Boys" have been placed in my community.
Blue Deacon is right when he states... "To much is given, much is required." Certainly more can be done. Still many refugees are grateful to individuals and communities which have been welcoming and have seen Jesus in all of humanity.
I simply do not like the question "Do you believe that God has granted the United States a special role in history?" Bad assumptions and poor questions make for bad studies.

by: PDBurns

11-23-2010 @ 4:44pm

I read this article after watching "God grew tired of us" last night, a film that follows a few lost boys from the Sudan from the refugee camp in Kenya to places like Pittsburgh and Syracuse. A number of "Lost Boys" have been placed in my community.
Blue Deacon is right when he states... "To much is given, much is required." Certainly more can be done. Still many refugees are grateful to individuals and communities which have been welcoming and have seen Jesus in all of humanity.
I simply do not like the question "Do you believe that God has granted the United States a special role in history?" Bad assumptions and poor questions make for bad studies.

by: Charles Kiker

11-23-2010 @ 5:38pm

This article saddens, but does not surprise me. A recent post on this blog mentions the fear of Anabaptists taking over--definitely an unfounded fear. But would to God that our churches, God's churches, would demonstrate just a tad of Anabaptism's recognition of the danger of too closely aligning ourselves with the kingdoms of this age.

by: Charles Kiker

11-23-2010 @ 5:38pm

This article saddens, but does not surprise me. A recent post on this blog mentions the fear of Anabaptists taking over--definitely an unfounded fear. But would to God that our churches, God's churches, would demonstrate just a tad of Anabaptism's recognition of the danger of too closely aligning ourselves with the kingdoms of this age.

by: Joe_Allen_Doty

11-23-2010 @ 6:23pm

I am a BELIEVER in Jesus; in a way, calling myself "Christian" is like people from Oklahoma adopting the hateful epithet "Okie" when they have never left the state to look for work.

I am Evangelical by practice. I can prove that I am not actually white either...with a Bureau of Indian Affairs issued card.

Most politically conservative folks self-identifying as "Evangelical" are not interested in telling others about Jesus' free gift of salvation nor are they interested in helping people who are in need. Many of them donate money to faith-based religious organizations because they don't want to be bothered with helping the needy personally.

by: Joe_Allen_Doty

11-23-2010 @ 6:23pm

I am a BELIEVER in Jesus; in a way, calling myself "Christian" is like people from Oklahoma adopting the hateful epithet "Okie" when they have never left the state to look for work.

I am Evangelical by practice. I can prove that I am not actually white either...with a Bureau of Indian Affairs issued card.

Most politically conservative folks self-identifying as "Evangelical" are not interested in telling others about Jesus' free gift of salvation nor are they interested in helping people who are in need. Many of them donate money to faith-based religious organizations because they don't want to be bothered with helping the needy personally.

by: Joel225A

11-23-2010 @ 9:01pm

This was interesting ...

In 1927 Jay Lovestone, leader of the Communist Party in America, defined American exceptionalism as the increasing strength of American capitalism, a strength which he said prevented Communist revolution.[22] In 1929, Soviet Dictator Joseph Stalin, unwilling to believe that America was so resistant to revolution, called Lovestone's ideas "the heresy of American exceptionalism."[23] In the 1930s, academicians in the U.S. redefined American exceptionalism as befitting a nation that was to lead the world, with the U.S. to serve the older European societies as an example of a liberated future free from Marxism and socialism.[23] More recently, socialists and other writers have tried to discover or describe this exceptionalism of the U.S. within and outside its borders.[24]

by: Joel225A

11-23-2010 @ 9:01pm

This was interesting ...

In 1927 Jay Lovestone, leader of the Communist Party in America, defined American exceptionalism as the increasing strength of American capitalism, a strength which he said prevented Communist revolution.[22] In 1929, Soviet Dictator Joseph Stalin, unwilling to believe that America was so resistant to revolution, called Lovestone's ideas "the heresy of American exceptionalism."[23] In the 1930s, academicians in the U.S. redefined American exceptionalism as befitting a nation that was to lead the world, with the U.S. to serve the older European societies as an example of a liberated future free from Marxism and socialism.[23] More recently, socialists and other writers have tried to discover or describe this exceptionalism of the U.S. within and outside its borders.[24]

by: Lord_Voldemort

11-23-2010 @ 9:13pm

"American Exceptionalism" is a red herring. It's the realistic view of the potential for diplomacy, and corresponding higher level of confidence in the military that is the real concern of this writer, and Sojo's staff in general.

LV

by: Lord_Voldemort

11-23-2010 @ 9:13pm

"American Exceptionalism" is a red herring. It's the realistic view of the potential for diplomacy, and corresponding higher level of confidence in the military that is the real concern of this writer, and Sojo's staff in general.

LV

by: Lord_Voldemort

11-23-2010 @ 9:13pm

"American Exceptionalism" is a red herring. It's the realistic view of the potential for diplomacy, and corresponding higher level of confidence in the military that is the real concern of this writer, and Sojo's staff in general.

LV

by: Lord_Voldemort

11-23-2010 @ 9:13pm

"American Exceptionalism" is a red herring. It's the realistic view of the potential for diplomacy, and corresponding higher level of confidence in the military that is the real concern of this writer, and Sojo's staff in general.

LV

by: Ngchen

11-23-2010 @ 9:15pm

So are you insinuating that the people raising these concerns are Communists, Marxists, and socialists?

When one considers how we are all children of God, and how our primary allegiance is to Him, concerns about excessive nationalism come naturally.

by: Ngchen

11-23-2010 @ 9:15pm

So are you insinuating that the people raising these concerns are Communists, Marxists, and socialists?

When one considers how we are all children of God, and how our primary allegiance is to Him, concerns about excessive nationalism come naturally.

by: fatherandrewgentry

11-23-2010 @ 9:43pm

"American exceptionalism" is just another way of saying American Imperialism! One of the greatest heresies of American Protestant and often "Catholic" religiosity is the notion that the United States is the New Zion or as those fun loving liberal Puritans would call it " the holy commonwealth". A holy commonwealth that has committed wholesale genocide against native peoples, enslaved millions of Africans, denied workers a living wage and raped the environment among other notable "holy things"!
Bishop Andrew Gentry

by: fatherandrewgentry

11-23-2010 @ 9:43pm

"American exceptionalism" is just another way of saying American Imperialism! One of the greatest heresies of American Protestant and often "Catholic" religiosity is the notion that the United States is the New Zion or as those fun loving liberal Puritans would call it " the holy commonwealth". A holy commonwealth that has committed wholesale genocide against native peoples, enslaved millions of Africans, denied workers a living wage and raped the environment among other notable "holy things"!
Bishop Andrew Gentry

by: WaveTossed

11-23-2010 @ 9:49pm

American Exceptionalisn, to my understanding, is a militaristic sort of belief system that posits that the U.S. is uniquely moral. Being uniquely moral (according to those who believe in American Exceptionalism), the U.S. can send its troops anywhere in the world to "spread freedom" amd that any means that U.S. troops and their leader use (including torture) are justified by the ends of supposedly planting "freedom" in other countries (whether or not these countries may want the U.S. version of "freedom"). This philosophy basically posits that the U.S. constitutes the Morality Thought Police of the world. This is a very dangerous and arrogant viewpoint.

The U.S. is a great country and I'm proud to be an American. But we are not uniquely the "best" country in the world. I'm sure that Norwegians are proud to be Norwegian, Yemenis are proud to be Yemeni, Japanese are proud to be Japanese, and so forth. Nothing wrong with that as long as we all respect each other.

One aspect of the U.S. is that we are a warrior society. We have citizen-soldiers and are proud of our troops. But as many practioners of the martial arts have found, people can practice warrior arts and practice a "warrior way" without having to foment actual wars in order to show our warlike demeanor. We can be peaceful warriors.

by: WaveTossed

11-23-2010 @ 9:49pm

American Exceptionalisn, to my understanding, is a militaristic sort of belief system that posits that the U.S. is uniquely moral. Being uniquely moral (according to those who believe in American Exceptionalism), the U.S. can send its troops anywhere in the world to "spread freedom" amd that any means that U.S. troops and their leader use (including torture) are justified by the ends of supposedly planting "freedom" in other countries (whether or not these countries may want the U.S. version of "freedom"). This philosophy basically posits that the U.S. constitutes the Morality Thought Police of the world. This is a very dangerous and arrogant viewpoint.

The U.S. is a great country and I'm proud to be an American. But we are not uniquely the "best" country in the world. I'm sure that Norwegians are proud to be Norwegian, Yemenis are proud to be Yemeni, Japanese are proud to be Japanese, and so forth. Nothing wrong with that as long as we all respect each other.

One aspect of the U.S. is that we are a warrior society. We have citizen-soldiers and are proud of our troops. But as many practioners of the martial arts have found, people can practice warrior arts and practice a "warrior way" without having to foment actual wars in order to show our warlike demeanor. We can be peaceful warriors.

by: grazorblade

11-23-2010 @ 9:54pm

"Additionally, an especially regretful 73 percent of those who identify with the Tea Party chose military over diplomacy."

Aparently torture and an aggressive military is some people's idea of "small government".

In more general terms how did people come to accept that small government was a free market, restricted unions, low taxes and therefore limit social programs, big aggressive military and strict moral laws? Certainly some of these features are small government but most of them are what i'd describe as very large government. Incidently the states with the "smallest governments" by the way conservatives measure them are United arab emirates, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Oman and Libya. Do these sound like "small governments" to you?

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_tax_revenue_as_percentage_of_GDP

by: grazorblade

11-23-2010 @ 9:54pm

"Additionally, an especially regretful 73 percent of those who identify with the Tea Party chose military over diplomacy."

Aparently torture and an aggressive military is some people's idea of "small government".

In more general terms how did people come to accept that small government was a free market, restricted unions, low taxes and therefore limit social programs, big aggressive military and strict moral laws? Certainly some of these features are small government but most of them are what i'd describe as very large government. Incidently the states with the "smallest governments" by the way conservatives measure them are United arab emirates, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Oman and Libya. Do these sound like "small governments" to you?

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_tax_revenue_as_percentage_of_GDP

by: grazorblade

11-23-2010 @ 9:56pm

off topic what do you think of the new harry potter?

by: grazorblade

11-23-2010 @ 9:56pm

off topic what do you think of the new harry potter?

by: BlueDeacon

11-23-2010 @ 10:13pm

That's because "small government" had to do only with protecting their turf and keeping their means out of the hands of "others."

by: BlueDeacon

11-23-2010 @ 10:13pm

That's because "small government" had to do only with protecting their turf and keeping their means out of the hands of "others."

by: Joel225A

11-23-2010 @ 10:16pm

Ngchen,

The author of Exceptionalism and the American roots of it first originates from the Historian Toucville "sp" from France . He described America in a way that we blessed by God , a religious people with exceptional Faith . .

The author above here gives the link if you think America is exceptional you are more likely to believe torture is the way to go.

I take it to be a progressive you have to agree with Obama even on this ? Because if you are a progressive and happen to think America is a country that has been blessed with freedom and opportunity you would feel perhaps put out having your opinion linked to torture ? Would you ?

I guess also a link can be drawn to believing in exceptionalism with the need to drink water also . ;0) From either side your on by the way.

But there are many reasons why I believe America has been blessed by God, and it is obvious to the Christian understanding it has nothing to do with Americans in regards to our exceptionalism , but I would suggest there is a good reason why some white, black, asians, gays, etc may consider America perhaps more tolerant , dedicated to the individual freedoms than other countries the past couple of hundred of years . I would also point out that in my opinion the very doctrines this nation was founded on were quite liberal . No equating the political idealogy seen as from the left of MSNBC , but the liberal essense of giving all men equality , giving all men the equal opportunity to go their own way , to be rght or to be wrong . The First Amendment , the Constitution and the role of government to protect our right, the INDIVIDUAL to be wrong was quite a liberal and brave new way of looking at government.

I happen to believe part of the reason we have been has blessed by God is our dedication to the Constitution , a secular document may I point out. But it points out our individual ability to disgaree, it allows us like God does , to be wrong .

Because His Grace, our Constitution perhaps, our Christian roots, or whatever has blessed this people with so much we should be Thankful for . To suggest we have not received so many belssings from above suggests to me we have come by them by own works. To me that is arrogance , considering how we botched things up so many times as a nation and as a people.

Glad you got the negative link to those whothink America is unexceptional with linking it to communist roots. A Glen Beck trick for sure. But Evan's article was the Beck from the left view on this subject and demonized in the opposing manner.

LV has it right , it was an anti war essay using Exceptionalism as a red herring . No wonder liberals keep loosing elections despite eeven when the republicans mess up . Whats wrong with thinking America has been blessed and write an article speaking to the evil of war .

Would have allowed for more people to get the point .

by: Joel225A

11-23-2010 @ 10:16pm

Ngchen,

The author of Exceptionalism and the American roots of it first originates from the Historian Toucville "sp" from France . He described America in a way that we blessed by God , a religious people with exceptional Faith . .

The author above here gives the link if you think America is exceptional you are more likely to believe torture is the way to go.

I take it to be a progressive you have to agree with Obama even on this ? Because if you are a progressive and happen to think America is a country that has been blessed with freedom and opportunity you would feel perhaps put out having your opinion linked to torture ? Would you ?

I guess also a link can be drawn to believing in exceptionalism with the need to drink water also . ;0) From either side your on by the way.

But there are many reasons why I believe America has been blessed by God, and it is obvious to the Christian understanding it has nothing to do with Americans in regards to our exceptionalism , but I would suggest there is a good reason why some white, black, asians, gays, etc may consider America perhaps more tolerant , dedicated to the individual freedoms than other countries the past couple of hundred of years . I would also point out that in my opinion the very doctrines this nation was founded on were quite liberal . No equating the political idealogy seen as from the left of MSNBC , but the liberal essense of giving all men equality , giving all men the equal opportunity to go their own way , to be rght or to be wrong . The First Amendment , the Constitution and the role of government to protect our right, the INDIVIDUAL to be wrong was quite a liberal and brave new way of looking at government.

I happen to believe part of the reason we have been has blessed by God is our dedication to the Constitution , a secular document may I point out. But it points out our individual ability to disgaree, it allows us like God does , to be wrong .

Because His Grace, our Constitution perhaps, our Christian roots, or whatever has blessed this people with so much we should be Thankful for . To suggest we have not received so many belssings from above suggests to me we have come by them by own works. To me that is arrogance , considering how we botched things up so many times as a nation and as a people.

Glad you got the negative link to those whothink America is unexceptional with linking it to communist roots. A Glen Beck trick for sure. But Evan's article was the Beck from the left view on this subject and demonized in the opposing manner.

LV has it right , it was an anti war essay using Exceptionalism as a red herring . No wonder liberals keep loosing elections despite eeven when the republicans mess up . Whats wrong with thinking America has been blessed and write an article speaking to the evil of war .

Would have allowed for more people to get the point .

by: Lord_Voldemort

11-23-2010 @ 10:24pm

Here's a thought that will cause heads to explode throughout Sojoland: 58 percent of US residents believe that God has granted America a special (ie exceptional) role in world history. What if they're right?

LV

by: Lord_Voldemort

11-23-2010 @ 10:24pm

Here's a thought that will cause heads to explode throughout Sojoland: 58 percent of US residents believe that God has granted America a special (ie exceptional) role in world history. What if they're right?

LV

by: BlueDeacon

11-23-2010 @ 10:28pm

Last I checked, truth isn't determined by majority rule.

by: BlueDeacon

11-23-2010 @ 10:28pm

Last I checked, truth isn't determined by majority rule.

by: BlueDeacon

11-23-2010 @ 10:34pm

The real problem is the arrogance in which this view is generally supported, that whatever is in America's interests must necessarily be good. Since we know that's categorically false, where do we then go? On top of that, it really has no sense of justice, especially for those not in control of things.

By the way, the social critic you mention is Alexis de Tocqueville. But he also said, in essence, that "America is great because she is good" -- which, frankly, is idolatry.

by: BlueDeacon

11-23-2010 @ 10:34pm

The real problem is the arrogance in which this view is generally supported, that whatever is in America's interests must necessarily be good. Since we know that's categorically false, where do we then go? On top of that, it really has no sense of justice, especially for those not in control of things.

By the way, the social critic you mention is Alexis de Tocqueville. But he also said, in essence, that "America is great because she is good" -- which, frankly, is idolatry.

by: Lord_Voldemort

11-23-2010 @ 10:35pm

Nor is it invalidated by a majority's opinion.

LV

by: Lord_Voldemort

11-23-2010 @ 10:35pm

Nor is it invalidated by a majority's opinion.

LV

by: Lord_Voldemort

11-23-2010 @ 10:45pm

BlueDeacon wrote:

"By the way, the social critic you mention is Alexis de Tocqueville. But he also said, in essence, that "America is great because she is good" -- which, frankly, is idolatry."

Just curious, Deacon, when you wrote that, what the heck did you mean? Who was worshipping what idol?

LV

by: Lord_Voldemort

11-23-2010 @ 10:45pm

BlueDeacon wrote:

"By the way, the social critic you mention is Alexis de Tocqueville. But he also said, in essence, that "America is great because she is good" -- which, frankly, is idolatry."

Just curious, Deacon, when you wrote that, what the heck did you mean? Who was worshipping what idol?

LV

by: John Mulholland

11-23-2010 @ 10:50pm

I've noticed that Sojourners posts many articles about the economy.

I guess that they, too, are guilty of American Exceptionalism (which, is not a word, btw).

by: John Mulholland

11-23-2010 @ 10:50pm

I've noticed that Sojourners posts many articles about the economy.

I guess that they, too, are guilty of American Exceptionalism (which, is not a word, btw).

by: Patricia

11-23-2010 @ 10:57pm

Well, since the belief in American Exceptionalism is only "right" if pride is no longer one of the 7 deadly sins, I'm not anticipating any cranial explosions throughout "Sojoland," as you so dismissively label it :).

by: Patricia

11-23-2010 @ 10:57pm

Well, since the belief in American Exceptionalism is only "right" if pride is no longer one of the 7 deadly sins, I'm not anticipating any cranial explosions throughout "Sojoland," as you so dismissively label it :).

by: BlueDeacon

11-23-2010 @ 10:57pm

It assumes that America is by definition good, which (Biblically speaking) means worthy of worship. At my prayer meeting today I read a devotional from a passage by MLK Jr. which warned against such arrogance.

by: BlueDeacon

11-23-2010 @ 10:57pm

It assumes that America is by definition good, which (Biblically speaking) means worthy of worship. At my prayer meeting today I read a devotional from a passage by MLK Jr. which warned against such arrogance.

by: BlueDeacon

11-23-2010 @ 10:57pm

Beside the point.

by: BlueDeacon

11-23-2010 @ 10:57pm

Beside the point.

by: squeaky

11-23-2010 @ 11:02pm

"Exceptionalism" (which, is not a word, btw).

According to Miriam-Webster it is:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/exceptionalism

by: squeaky

11-23-2010 @ 11:02pm

"Exceptionalism" (which, is not a word, btw).

According to Miriam-Webster it is:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/exceptionalism

by: Led

11-23-2010 @ 11:09pm

We were exceptional as a nation in the sense that the founding fathers spoke of leadership in terms of servitude. To achieve this we needed works to secure the blessings of Liberty.

Now we don't even want to render unto Caesar for fear the unworthy will benefit. We forgot about the rain.

I don't believe in American Exceptionalism but I do wonder if our anger about how things are makes us one of the Nations raging.

by: Led

11-23-2010 @ 11:09pm

We were exceptional as a nation in the sense that the founding fathers spoke of leadership in terms of servitude. To achieve this we needed works to secure the blessings of Liberty.

Now we don't even want to render unto Caesar for fear the unworthy will benefit. We forgot about the rain.

I don't believe in American Exceptionalism but I do wonder if our anger about how things are makes us one of the Nations raging.