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Values at Davos

Yesterday was the first day of the World Economic Forum in Davos, a little mountain village in Switzerland, where each January corporate CEOs, heads of state, and leaders of nonprofit organizations from around the globe gather to reflect upon the state of the world.

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I had been to Davos before the financial crisis of 2008, as part of a group of religious leaders who came to discuss interfaith cooperation, but who also began to dialogue with the other participants at Davos about moral values and the economy. Quite honestly, these conversations about moral values and the economy often felt like an extra-curricular activity -- with sessions at 7 a.m. on the third floor. But after the economic crisis hit, our values conversations felt more like a necessity, and we were quickly moved to prime time in the main hall.

At Davos 2008, the World Economic Forum convened a plenary session for all its participants on "Values and the Market." I was on the panel and said that asking when the crisis will end was the wrong question; the right question was, how will the crisis change us? Looking out over a huge hall full of business and political leaders (not my usual audience), I suggested that too often people didn't believe they had to bring virtue and values to bear on economic decisions -- that the market would automatically take care of those things. But, as the economic crisis has shown, this was the wrong mentality. The panel caused a buzz, and its questions resonated through that week, leading to many "pastoral" conversations with CEOs who told me they had "lost" some important values. The positive response I felt at Davos eventually led me to write a new book, Rediscovering Values: A Guide for Economic and Moral Recovery. I began to speak at business schools, and found business leaders coming to talk to me like Nicodemus at night.

A year later, at Davos 2009, there were 17 sessions with the word "values" in the title. I found myself on a plenary panel with Muhammad Yunus, founder of the Grameen Bank in Bangladesh, addressing the subject of "Rethinking Values in the Post-Crisis World," and talking about business with a moral purpose -- even as a tool for eliminating poverty. But some of us began to feel the danger of just holding values seminars as a response to a devastating economic crisis. Behaviors created this crisis, and unless our values talk led to changed behaviors, it all wouldn't mean very much.
Out of that conference a Global Agenda Council on Values was formed, and I now find myself unexpectedly as its chair. This Council on Values has been given the task of shaping what the World Economic Forum is calling the "Moral Economy Dialogue" -- a multi-year process that will develop serious tools for personal, organizational, corporate, and national values assessments that focus on changing behaviors.

This week at Davos 2011, new metrics like "human flourishing" and "the common good" are being lifted up. Again, I have had many personal conversations with business executives who feel alone in their soul-searching for values. Furthermore, business ethics professors at some of the country's leading business schools have also told me that their courses are over-subscribed, yet they still feel marginal to the curriculum.

All day yesterday, in many of the sessions here at Davos, we wrestled with feeling "stuck" in trying to implement values-change at big corporations and banks. We are now moving from just a conversation on values to a conversation on behavioral change. For example, we had a session yesterday on "Defining Shared Norms." We spoke of the need for both external regulation and self-regulation; both external accountabilities and the internal moral compass which comes from embedding values in a business. This is all good news to Klaus Schwab, the founder and executive chairman of Davos who, as a young Swiss economist many years ago, wrote about the need for business to not only take into account the interests of shareholders, but also of the many other stakeholders -- including employees, consumers, the poor, the environment, and future generations.

That Davos would take these issues very seriously, and would turn to faith community leaders for help, is good news to me. But the headline in yesterday's International Herald Tribune -- "The Super-Rich Pull Ever Farther Ahead" -- indicated we still have a long way to go. Many of those super-rich are at Davos, and I indicated yesterday that the only people whose lives seem to have got back to "normal" since the financial crisis began are those whose behaviors caused it in the first place. They are back to record profits, while a seminar I attended yesterday showed how dramatic and devastating unemployment still is around the globe -- especially for young people.

But the conversations here lasted far into the night, and I woke up this morning with a full day of more work before us, including one session where I will speak on "Mindful Leadership." Indeed, leadership -- moral leadership -- is clearly the issue now, and our session today is already overbooked. And that's a good sign. I find myself spending time at Davos every year now with an exciting group of about 50 young entrepreneurs called the Young Global Leaders, who are asking some of the most important questions that are before us.

The snow keeps falling here, but there are signs and hopes for spring.

portrait-jim-wallisJim Wallis is the author of Rediscovering Values: On Wall Street, Main Street, and Your Street -- A Moral Compass for the New Economy, and CEO of Sojourners. He blogs at www.godspolitics.com. Follow Jim on Twitter @JimWallis.


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by: greenpeaceRochdale1844

01-28-2011 @ 8:56pm

Joel225a and Jesse talking about ethics courses: I would be curious to confirm in the first case that any of the ringleaders had taken any ethics courses. How long has that movement been building and how far has it spread?
As someone with a longtime interest in psychology and spirituality, I was interested to realize in the last decade or so that it is economic activity and entrepreneurship that is the focus of change, whether by consumer behavior or entrepreneurial or reform producer behavior. Since then, I´ve honed in on the political economic philosophy of profit maximizing etc. and the consumer obedience to the mainstream marketplace that is the linchpin in the current social system.
For example, in New York City, there is at least not an absence of health food stores and yoga schools, for example. In some cases, they have been combined. Moreover, there are a few food co-ops. There are a variety of health food products that are embodying the commitments of producers in associations like Fair Trade, organic foods, green technology certifications, and so on such as discussed in Michael Conroy´s book Branded or in the work of NGOs like Green America.
Ultimately, I´d say Davos is a difficult place to get sincere implementation. The premises of the participants is simply based on unrealistic expecations buffered by their own experiences of socially constructed power. I wish Jesus´name alone could change it all on a dime, but God´s evolving Creation is subtler than that, as activists of all kinds, from Gandhi to Rigoberta Menchu to Mandela, Greenpeace, and Oxfam have shown. We´ve got to work to wake up any and all who can listen, mostly the customers of the Davos fat cats. Good work and good luck there, though, Jim!

by: Charles Kiker

01-27-2011 @ 8:59pm

I am politically center left. I supported Obama in 2008 and am not sorry that I did. But I am sorry that moral values in the economy seemed to take a back seat, or no seat at all, in the President's state of the union message. I suppose he is following what he thinks is the way the wind is blowing. I guess it's up to us to change the direction of the wind. (Is that a quote or paraphrase from Jim Wallis?)

by: Joel225A

02-03-2011 @ 4:58am

Now you're talking out of both sides of your mouth. The problem is that the church -- and the evangelical church in particular -- is enjoying relative financial and cultural prosperity and wants to retain it, so it waters down the commands of God to justify its position

Thats not even on topic. The culture of today is controled more by academia athen the church of today . Ww allowed government to take over , and your politics support that . The Evangelical church I am part of and see in my area has started stepping out and reaching out beyond the walls of the church . You bouth into the concept the government owes you something , it does not . God owes you nothing . The biggest offendeds right now are those who in the name of social justice support the get the rich view , make sure we all get those who have taken our fair share of the pie .
Nothing to do with Christ , its a social justice dogma which has made friends with the exact things Christ taught us to stay away from . Because he Loves us , and as you show you don't .

by: Joel225A

02-03-2011 @ 5:19am

"Forgive me for giving the impression of being a "better God fearing man... hardly"

Actually I often do like what you say , and respect your insight and faith . Discernment tells me perhaps you look to answers beyond the face, and the spuirtual ramifactions . This is somewhat of a toxic forum , in my opinion made that way by those who would drive by to attack politics and a few who " are not even Evangelical " took it upon themselves to make this some what of the ARK of the Convenant . About the only time you hear about evangelicals , except when Wallis promotes he has Evangelicals who support him , is when those here speak about all their unfortunate experiences with them . The church is wounded indeed in America, you see much more actual are wounded coming from mainstream denominations that go to conservative Evangelical ones . But I give Christ the Glory for that , because His spirit can more then compensate for the short coming s of we believers . His Spirit is coming and is In America . I know this .

If anyone here disagreed with Wallis , somehow it meant to the wounded folks here that it meant they disagreed with God , or their faith , or whatever . Too bad . I actually hoped better . I have seen support for the most bizare prejuedical beliefs based on a poltical idealogy dictating to what a person with a specfic race must think . Or he is a sell out . I hear that and wonder , how can any one who understands the value Christ has for us support that ? How can those who Love christ put those of like Minded Knowledge of the living God into the same boat with slave Masters , rich corporate cheats , comapre those who believe in a traditional Gift of marriage as a bigot ? To listen to scripture promoted for secular contracts of marriage is as disgusting to hear it promoted to get a few extra votes to stop it .
It appears politics makes us do it . This is a political forum . I and some others who happen to come from an Evangelical perspective , but disappointed in the political aspects of the religious right wandered here . Only to see this organization change , or possibly always been infiltrated with a strong leftist, non Bibical traditional base that caters to class warfare, a humanistic theology that supports a small jesus in everyday lives bt a big social justice government that has the exact same support from non religious , in fact a majority of secular believers. Thats the problem , the people i have seen support each other has nothing to do with Christ, all to do with politics on this forum .

You could be the first , because I am no way any better then you . And I know that for sure , but their is something that went very wrong on this site . This is not about changing hearts or supporting positions , this web has become a place where you really have to dislike the beliefs of Evangelical Christians , be able to criticize their beliefs , who they listen to , mock their intellectual integrity which I just was reminded of because they watch Fox news .

Thats my rant . Hope you can read between the lines .
God bless you .

by: 082759

01-27-2011 @ 9:40pm

Hi Jim: I like your blog. I am head of communications at The Africa Bureau of USAID ... and am working on serious poverty issues. I heard on NPR that the bankers attending 2011 DAVOS are absolutely unapologetic about the economic crisis - and that conversations amongst them are focused on re-building their own fortunes. I hope you move out of your comfort zone over there - and rattle some cages. Thanks again, Sue

by: 082759

01-27-2011 @ 9:42pm

Hi Jim ... your bog entries are great - but make sure you aren't preaching to the choir. Get out of your comfort zone and talk to the bankers. I understand they are absolutely unapologetic about their role in the financial crisis. ~Sue Wood

by: eurotony

01-27-2011 @ 9:47pm

I suspect that in all countries we will look in vain for leadership from politicians. Most of them are either afraid of the financial muscle of the banks/big business or else carry too much baggage from the past. I was, however, encouraged by the recent grilling which a parliamentary select committee in London gave to Bob Diamond of Barclay's Bank (who infamously said that "It's time for the banks to stop apologising" for the events of 2007-8). One of the MPs asked him ""Can I ask you a philosophical question? Why is it easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven?" Diamond (according to one report "was stumped. This he had not expected. He paused, grinned, and looked around, before asking "Do you have another question?"" Which probably says it all.

by: ghabbott

01-27-2011 @ 10:14pm

On Monday, January 24, a local Twin Cities CEO had his response published to Bill George's (former CEO of Medtronic and Harvard Professor) column arguing that businesses' focus on narrow short-term financial gains has hurt business.

The responding CEO argued in favor of Milton Friedman's philosophy that the only goal of business should be profit for its stockholders. If businesses try to worry about social responsibility they will get lost in discerning what that social responsibility is and hurt their main job of growing businesses.
As I read this CEO's article I thought about how his and Milton Friedman's understanding of business bought us to where we are in many of our current intractable problems. According to Friedman and this CEO environmental pollution can be brushed off as an externality. The cost of the creative destruction that is so important to the success of capitalism can be brushed off as an externality. The cost of market failure and malfeasance can be called an aberration and not an integral part of the free market system. Who ends up having to pay for these aberrations and externalities? The public ends up paying with bailouts, the cost of government agencies to regulate, police and clean up after business and market failures. And I'm not even mentioning the social cost of dislocation to families and communities that creative destruction causes.
Thank you, Jim Wallis, for being part of the larger value discussion. I'm tired of being accused of being a big government liberal, because government has to pay for the externalities and aberrations of businesses. Something must change in the way the world does business. We can't allow the rich to richer and the poor to get poorer, while the planet gets warmer and warmer, and while businesses gain more power to influence government in their favor. I look forward to hearing progress on your efforts.

by: wroggr

01-27-2011 @ 10:12pm

I live in the UK. I am currently reading a book just out: Treasure Islands - Tax Havens and the men who stole the world by Nicholas Shaxson. PLease read it.
Your country and mine (especially) are shameful perpetrators and supporters of the men who steal the world. We have an obligation to pay our taxes if we live in a democracy. The book exposes some of what is happening, that is killing poor people - limited because so much is kept secret and so much is lied about ( SO like the work of the devil!) - but it doesn't suggest much can be done. It makes me angry.
I believe the work you describe here, Jim, is SO crucial we must support it and pray for its good fruits. God bless you and Keep you safe if/when you really challenge those whom you are up against.

by: wroggr

01-27-2011 @ 10:31pm

I live in the UK. I am currently reading nicholas Shaxson's book, just out - Treasure Islands - Tax Havens and the Men who stole the world.
It makes me so angry. I recommend it as a must read! It makes the work you are describing here, Jim, SO crucial. We must support it and pray for it/you.
It describes the huge p[art you country and mine (especailly) play in supporting the clandestine, secret liars and con-merchants ( so typical of the work of the devil, we are told by the fundamentalists )who help the wealthy avoid paying taxes - which are an obligatory part of living in a democracy, are they not? Another important read is The Spirit Level by Richard Wilkinson and Kte Pickett, about the harmful effects to wellbeing of unequal societies ( like the US and the UK) and also Unjust Rewards by Polly Toynbee and David Walker, which describes the ignorance of the wealthy about what poverty actually means to real people, and the extent to which they have gone "out of sight" in relation to their comparative wealth (and greed).Unbeliveable in a so called democracy and supposedly moral society. What happened to previously universal (in all religions) laws against usury? It's no wonder people are converting to Islam in greater numbers - they are not immoral and don't want to be,... and it's no wonder the Middle East is in such ferment right now.

by: Uncasmct

01-27-2011 @ 11:01pm

I live in small town Virginia- within a two hour drive of the heart of central Appalachia. I am frank to say that I find all this ethics talk from Davos a little tiresome. It is wonderful that the super rich can take their private jets to the world's winter playground, but I wonder how many of them declined bonuses this year? Or whether the heavy hitting investment bankers are among this world elite. I also wonder if you, Jim, have been spending much time contemplating the reality of the principalities and powers in recent months. I am bemused when I read your current title at Sojourners as Editor in Chief and CEO. Maybe you could do a Bible Study on the powers while you are waiting for the next values seminar to convene. Uncas McThenia

by: jeczaja

01-27-2011 @ 11:01pm

Our "values" have made us rich and will ultimately bring us down. Short-term self-interest is the paradigm. Corporations must show growth every quarter or be considered failures-and this growth must be forever! This is absurd and unsustainable and leads to corporate shenanigans just to stay alive. Philosophically, we follow Adam Smith's rational self-interest paradigm and Alan Greenspan was a fan of atheist Ayn Rand, a proponent of selfishness as the summum bonum. This is bad enough, but economic eugenics has infected the churches (if you're rich its because God approves you-if not, you are undeserving.) http://theroadupward.wordpress.../

by: Uncasmct

01-27-2011 @ 11:00pm

I live in small town Virginia- within a two hour drive of the heart of central Appalachia. I am frank to say that I find all this ethics talk from Davos a little tiresome. It is wonderful that the super rich can take their private jets to the world's winter playground, but I wonder how many of them declined bonuses this year? Or whether the heavy hitting investment bankers are among this world elite. I also wonder if you, Jim, have been spending much time contemplating the reality of the principalities and powers in recent months. I am bemused when I read your current title at Sojourners as Editor in Chief and CEO. Maybe you could do a Bible Study on the powers while you are witing for the next values seminar to convene. Uncas McThenia

by: jesse3

01-27-2011 @ 10:47pm

"Furthermore, business ethics professors at some of the country's leading business schools have also told me that their courses are over-subscribed, yet they still feel marginal to the curriculum."

--I heard an interesting talk years ago related to ethics education, and the speaker mentioned that such classes have zero influence on behavior. It's not that business leaders, politicians, etc. don't know right from wrong--the Enron culprits received their MBAs and many surely attended business ethics classes. But they see no reason to choose good over evil. This suggests talk achieves little, and spiritual transformation that occurs at a heart level is required.

by: BlueDeacon

02-03-2011 @ 3:29pm

Thats the problem , the people i have seen support each other has nothing to do with Christ, all to do with politics on this forum .

What is the name of this particular blog?

by: BlueDeacon

02-03-2011 @ 3:28pm

The culture of today is controled more by academia athen the church of today . Ww allowed government to take over , and your politics support that .

You have zero basis on which to make that statement. None. In this country economics even pulls the strings of higher ed, more so today than ever. And it's not that I believe that the government owes me anything, just a level playing field -- which the hard right opposes to the death because it wants everything for itself alone.

The Evangelical church I am part of and see in my area has started stepping out and reaching out beyond the walls of the church .

Not to one-up you in any way, but I'm willing to bet that my evangelical church does far, far more than yours in reaching out to the neighborhood and has been doing that for a quarter-century. However, Jim Wallis would be welcome in our pulpit because we believe in social change; most evangelical churches are interested only in maintaining their authority.

by: thrasher141

01-28-2011 @ 12:45am

Jim,
Thanks for your work on behalf of the world's poor. We must continue to speak up for those who have no voice, care for the poor, and "jam a spoke in the wheel" on the monstrous, unjust machine that keeps the poor poor and the rich rich. The problem is it is nice being rich. It is nice to be comfortable and to have spending money for fun stuff. Which makes it hard to have integrity and be motivated in the struggle against injustice.

Also in the US we have put capitalism on a sacred pedastal. We aren't allowed to discuss it. It's time to dream about a new economic system.

by: Bungarra

01-28-2011 @ 12:58am

Nothing like a good uncorrupted review of peoples actions followed up by suitable sanctions to keep the fear of exposure present in the minds of those who would exploit. Trouble is that when these institutions have been corrupted by monies, such controls become lax.

I would suggest that a sub text in the cry for small Government is to reduce accountability. A small example is the persistence of the drug associated OutLaw Bike gangs here seem to persist. Perhaps their lawyers should be charged with criminal conspiracy and not have the cloak of client protection currently given. Same thing for business deals, if the deal is to avoid obligations, the adviser, legal representatives should also be also guilty of conspiracy if found guilty.

Unjust, something has got to even out the power inequities.

by: BlueDeacon

01-29-2011 @ 4:42pm

Sorry, but you can't merely blame "academia" for this one. If the church hadn't abdicated its role as the conscience of society for political and cultural power and been co-opted in part because of its members desire for the "good life," maybe we wouldn't have this problem -- but of course too many of us "blame the poor" for their state and have even formed propaganda arms disguises as "media ministries" to do the job.

by: Bungarra

01-28-2011 @ 1:03am

Good points wroggr, was transfer pricing discussed to avoid responsibility's . Eg take the profit as the freight charged on the company ship registered in a flag of convenience, and then plead poor when royalties for the ore are asked for. Also charge out internal transfers for IP and patents at a high rate and then by basing them in not tax areas. that comes off the bottom line and hence tax for the country one is operating in. Just free market colonialism.

So we pay more tax or have for the common good.

by: duhsciple

01-29-2011 @ 4:56pm

From the Saint Luke University Economics 101 lecture, fall semester, 21st century:

Blessed are those who are focused on the bottom line, pure profit motivations, and who pull themselves up by their bootstraps, for they will be the moral, superior and extremely rich winners. God's Kingdom belongs to them!~~ ?Economics Professor Jesus?

See Luke 6:21, 24

by: Bungarra

01-28-2011 @ 1:14am

I have just finished reading Just finished reading "Deer Hunting With Jesus, Dispatches from America's Class War" by Joe Bageant.

Interesting read, explained to me some of the sub texts in US TV shows we are swamped with. Its reporting from your area.

With respect I would suggest that Davos is very relevant for your community's well being, just as there are serious issues to be considered here with the influence of US politics/economic theory and practice spilling into Ausltralia.

by: scat

01-29-2011 @ 5:15pm

We are never going to change greedy, self-serving human nature. So maybe the solution is to make peace profitable.

by: Joel225A

01-29-2011 @ 7:43pm

"Sorry, but you can't merely blame "academia" for this one."

blue your not even close on this one . Blaming academia ? That's not what I am saying .

I am talking about a functional atheistic worldview bolstered by a pick and choose scheme and it's effects on morality. I actually got on this because I was reading about how a former President of Harvard University was bemoaning the lack of ethics in the students at Harvard. It seemed to me he was and is part of a system that has attempted to destroy the foundations of the house of Western Culture and is now trying desperately to patch the walls while the house falls down around him. The irony is this very well educated man doesn't seem to see the obvious."

by: redbillie

01-29-2011 @ 8:28pm

No one willingly lets go of power and shares it with everyone, unless they are motivated by truth and love, which flow from God, Jesus christ and the Holy Spirit. Perhaps instead of feeling stuck, a good prayer time would provide answers with those who pray.
At least Jim should be a part of that. If not, he is trying to lead, not let God lead. Eloise Iles

by: kansasmennonite

01-29-2011 @ 11:54pm

Joel said :"It seemed to me he was and is part of a system that has attempted to destroy the foundations of the house of Western Culture and is now trying desperately to patch the walls while the house falls down around him. The irony is this very well educated man doesn't seem to see the obvious."

The obvious conclusion that you can't have a system whereby the rich keep getting richer (via tax cuts, etc.) and the poorer keep getting poorer?

by: kathyNZ

01-29-2011 @ 11:46pm

Best Wishes Jim with Davos and all that comes from it.
I imagine you're aware of the 'Charter for Compassion' - founder Karen Armstrong. The Charter's Golden Rule is 'to treat all people as we would ant to be treated'. This is not new and it comes out in your blog. To encourage the CEO's to commit themselves to the principles of the charter could be beneficial..... best wishes Kathy from NZ

by: duhsciple

01-30-2011 @ 1:21am

1. Western culture and the Kingdom of God are not the same thing.

2. The sins of western culture include genocide, slavery, and the destruction of other cultures.

3. Western culture is one of the principalities and powers.

4. Universities are one of the principalities and powers.

5. Economic systems (and Davos) are part of the principalities and powers.

6. The "powers that be" in this world need to be redeemed.

7. I look forward to the "kingdoms of this world becoming the Kingdom of Christ."

8. One strategy for distinguishing between the Kingdom and the kingdoms is to listen deeply to Christ, especially, for example, in the Sermon on the Mount/Plain. There are things that Jesus says in His Sermon that are in blatant tension with the "economic common sense of the world." Jesus offers "uncommon sense." In truth, I struggle to discern Christ's "bottom line" versus the often heartless "bottom line" of the world. It is easy to live by the latter instead of the former.

by: Joel225A

02-03-2011 @ 8:02pm

"most evangelical churches are interested only in maintaining their authority."

Then obviously you believe in a weak God who does not transform lives . You rely on politics. From your past comments I suggest you work on your peole skills , you are terrible at it . From your testimony here , also as a servant who realizes his authority has been given up and Christ hs the authority .

by: Uncasmct

01-28-2011 @ 12:36pm

Thanks so much for your comment Bungarra. Joe Bageant is a genuine voice for social change in America. I would be very, no change that, incrfedibly surprised, if Joe were ever tempted to buy a ticket to Davos. Noone is safe from seduction by the powers but Joe is much more perceptive than most of us. And in my opinon it was not a few wayward Wall Street Bankers who got us into the worst recession in my country since the great depression of the thirties. It was the ethos of Davos and the seduction of power. I would not, in all likelihood, be strong enough to resist it but I think Bageant might. I once thought Sojourners would not be seduced by the powers and principlaities that St Paul warned us about. But
I think I was wrong. It is not that meetings of the world elite is a dangerous event, but it is the seductive poiwer of the message "come join us as we figure out a way to run the world". Yep one question for the agenda this week - what has happened to the distribution of the world's wealth in the years of Davos? Has there been any change in that? And in what direction? I suspect the answer is that the gap between the haves and have nots has increased. Be well. Uncas

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by: BlueDeacon

01-30-2011 @ 5:46am

Well, if that's not what you're saying you need to be a bit more concise -- because, no matter how you're trying to explain it, that's just how it's coming out. That said, it still starts in the home and church, and the "atheistic worldview" you denounced has actually wormed its way there (and paying the freight for a number of Christian media "ministries" to stay on the air. And this is also what happens when you pick and choose what is and isn't Biblical based on whose ox is being gored.

by: Joel225A

01-30-2011 @ 8:53am

"The obvious conclusion that you can't have a system whereby the rich keep getting richer (via tax cuts, etc.) and the poorer keep getting poorer?"

I would say so , but the rich always seem to remain rich . I am not sure what one can do about that . Or that anyone should . In our country right now it appears the middle class is paying to provide more and more , thus causing them to become poorer. A better tax system I would agree. I would start with loop holes , but it seems that is not possible with so many of the loop holes being protected by both political parties . . But I would hope a healthier debate would come around instead of using Paris Hilton as a poster child , use Grandpa who worked his whole life and became successful and prospered . Grandpa should still pay his fair share . I think part of the problem in my opinion is we try to demonize who is going to pay more taxes, why not just have all of us pay our fair share ?

by: Ngchen

01-28-2011 @ 3:12pm

When it comes to externalities, I've always felt that Pigovian taxes are a somewhat "market" way to deal with them. They can even be coupled with reductions in other, less productive taxes such as income tax in order to be revenue neutral.

by: BlueDeacon

02-03-2011 @ 9:48pm

My comment stands because if evangelical churches were really interested in transforming lives they would move to places where the Gospel was truly needed rather than building congregations in affluent suburbs that play to their class status.

FWIW, my church stayed in the city and has helped to transform its neighborhood -- we bought a nuisance bar to put it out of business; we operate a credit union; our members have actually opened businesses that we patronize, bringing jobs and hope; we've operated after-school programs for years; and so on. As I was saying, we've been in the 'hood for quite some time.

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by: duhsciple

01-28-2011 @ 3:53pm

Uncas wrote: I am bemused when I read your current title at Sojourners as Editor in Chief and CEO. Maybe you could do a Bible Study on the powers while you are witing for the next values seminar to convene.

My genuine question: What title(s) would you find more appropriate? How much do title(s) really matter over against how you think/act/pray?

by: Uncasmct

01-28-2011 @ 4:06pm

duhsciple - thanks for your comment. I think titles reflect a lot. Titles are a part of the costumes we wear. And they are not insiginificant. We all wear vaeiuous costumes- and they have an effect on the wearer and those who interact with the wearer. That statement is, I hope, value free. It is intended solely as an observtion of the world. Priests wear costumes - and that reality bears on how others relate to her/him. And that reality afffects in significant ways how that person who wears the costume interacts with others. That is in itself neither good nor bad. But in a very real sense we are the costumes we wear. CEOs act differently than labor organizers, or priests, or assembly line workers. They think differently, they percieve reality differently. And much of that has to do with what they hear, learn, and assimilate from others wearing the same costume.

by: liberalinlove

01-28-2011 @ 5:32pm

Blessed are those who hunger and thirst after righteousness.
It sounds like those who hunger for this, and have a longing to see virtue return to the marketplace are in a ripe place and a right place to seek Jesus as Lord of all.

Unfortunately, it has been my experience that even in small "Christian" businesses, virtue and morality is not high priority.

Integrity is love in action. May we all learn its message as we head to our respective jobs and work with the mind of Christ at all times.

As we seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, all those things we strive for and work for and need will be added unto us.

Thanks Jim for being in the right place at the right time. May you bear much fruit as you introduce many to the teachings and principles of Jesus. May many come to Jesus as a result, to be Lord of their lives. May the message transform our world.

by: kathyNZ

01-31-2011 @ 9:06am

Best Wishes Jim with Davos and all that comes from it.
I imagine you're aware of the 'Charter for Compassion' - founder Karen Armstrong. The Charter's Golden Rule is 'to treat all people as we would ant to be treated'. This is not new and it comes out in your blog. To encourage the CEO's to commit themselves to the principles of the charter could be beneficial..... best wishes Kathy from NZ

by: Joel225A

01-31-2011 @ 9:36am

. Western culture and the Kingdom of God are not the same thing.

Good grief Duh neither are the politics ior culture you subcribe to . but it indded western civilizatiion has brought more people a standatd of living and avenue to obtain that any other political any other despictable ways of treating their neigbor ,. Here we want to tax those who earned a living so others can live better regardles of their responsibilty or dedication to doing so themselves . Its done through computers. Perhaps when your pinting your finger at western civiliation , freedom , if you have any relatives you would might want to Thank our God for the Grace to live under this system . Why what governement decides is worthy to protect .

So look forward to the kingdoms becoming that of Christ , perhaps a bit more love in the land we are walking through now , and indeed thanking the Good Lord for it may be applicable also .

You owe so much to so many that risked their lives and gave their lives , so you can so self righteoulsy proclaim you a better God fearing man theny they ...... Hardly

by: karenykarl

01-28-2011 @ 6:06pm

Values are a nice place to start, but one of the wisest things anyone ever said to me was, "Ideas are a dime a dozen. What we need is implementation." In other words, a change in values will mean absolutely nothing, unless concrete steps are taken to actually change policies both within and between financial, productive, and government organizations. And that includes relations between foreign powers and multinational corporations.

We've already seen what's happened in Tunisia. Unless the United States takes active measures to actually do something about the effects of chronic, long term unemployment, we will be creating the same set of conditions that led that Tunisian fruit peddler to create that massive societal unrest that is now spreading to other Arab countries. When is that future American fruit peddler going to set off a conflagration that will envelope our country?

Similarly, a change in values does nothing to eliminate the speculation and funny, unregulated money that is sloshing back and forth in our world financial markets. Unless some concrete steps are taken (particularly by the G-20), we are setting the stage for the next great depression that will dwarf anything we are now experiencing.

The devil is in the details of implementation. But implementation is the only thing that can make a real change in values.

by: Joel225A

01-31-2011 @ 9:52am

still starts in the home and church, and the "atheistic worldview" you denounced has actually wormed its way there (and paying the freight for a number of Christian media "ministries" to stay on the air).

You need to make some sense after all also . Blaming networks for allowing religious minitries , valid ot not have nothing to do with the college and academia of today that uses a secual athesistic world view . If anything the culture of today directs often the response of the church in what it markets unfortunately . But the one time advocacy groups of the left , which at one time did have a influence from the gospel and the church has gone away . Social Justice has become a secular term . Your confusion models it .

by: duhsciple

01-31-2011 @ 12:57pm

I hope that I am Christ righteous, not self righteous. When I share my thoughts with you, it is for conversation, not for a competition for who is better. Forgive me for giving the impression of being a "better God fearing man... hardly"

Meanwhile, I strongly believe in personal responsibility: managing money, honest work, raising children, faithfulness to my wife, caring for my neighbors, living simply rather than living a wasteful (consumptive) lifestyle. I also believe in being "my brother's keeper," and "being neighbor to the one who fell among the robbers." It seems that I have not only given the impression of being "self righteous" but also being "anti personal responsibility"

To the western civilization point, given that I believe in the "human captivity to sin" and the "power of the demonic" at loose in the world, I have a deep awareness of the need for individuals, families, neighborhoods, governments and nations to be liberated by Christ-- to be set free FROM sin FOR the purpose of serving one another. Therefore, I don't see this as a competition of who is "really more righteous"- the western tradition versus others. All have sinned. We are all in deep, deep bondage.

by: BlueDeacon

01-31-2011 @ 3:56pm

Blaming networks for allowing religious minitries , valid ot not have nothing to do with the college and academia of today that uses a secual athesistic world view .

Now you're talking out of both sides of your mouth. The problem is that the church -- and the evangelical church in particular -- is enjoying relative financial and cultural prosperity and wants to retain it, so it waters down the commands of God to justify its position. Put another way, it has decided that the "least, last and lost" should take a back seat to maintaining a "Christian worldview" rather than serving as Jesus did and using that position to be a blessing to others. It is because the evangelical church consistently fails in this area that this so-called "atheistic worldview" is rampant in the business world -- remember that Bernie Ebbers of WorldCom and the late Ken Lay of Enron, CEO's of the aforementioned two companies destroyed by financial scandals, were avowed Christians (the latter a Sunday-school teacher).

by: Joel225A

01-28-2011 @ 8:02pm

-the Enron culprits received their MBAs and many surely attended business ethics classes. But they see no reason to choose good over evil. This suggests talk achieves little, and spiritual transformation that occurs at a heart level is required."

Jesse that was well stated . The academia of today really have no foundation to stand on when they speak about ethics. They have no foundation . There is no foundation for morality in a purely evolutionary worldview. I am not talking about the science of evolution , I am speaking to what i do is Ok what you do is ok value system of our culture today. Particles simply are all about in our reasoning , but there is no ought. This is why it is tragically ironic when modern educators complain about the lack of ethics in their students. They are like people who have cut off the limb they are standing on and now find themselves falling complaining about gravity.

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by: Charles Kiker

01-27-2011 @ 8:59pm

I am politically center left. I supported Obama in 2008 and am not sorry that I did. But I am sorry that moral values in the economy seemed to take a back seat, or no seat at all, in the President's state of the union message. I suppose he is following what he thinks is the way the wind is blowing. I guess it's up to us to change the direction of the wind. (Is that a quote or paraphrase from Jim Wallis?)

by: 082759

01-27-2011 @ 9:40pm

Hi Jim: I like your blog. I am head of communications at The Africa Bureau of USAID ... and am working on serious poverty issues. I heard on NPR that the bankers attending 2011 DAVOS are absolutely unapologetic about the economic crisis - and that conversations amongst them are focused on re-building their own fortunes. I hope you move out of your comfort zone over there - and rattle some cages. Thanks again, Sue

by: 082759

01-27-2011 @ 9:42pm

Hi Jim ... your bog entries are great - but make sure you aren't preaching to the choir. Get out of your comfort zone and talk to the bankers. I understand they are absolutely unapologetic about their role in the financial crisis. ~Sue Wood

by: wroggr

01-27-2011 @ 10:12pm

I live in the UK. I am currently reading a book just out: Treasure Islands - Tax Havens and the men who stole the world by Nicholas Shaxson. PLease read it.
Your country and mine (especially) are shameful perpetrators and supporters of the men who steal the world. We have an obligation to pay our taxes if we live in a democracy. The book exposes some of what is happening, that is killing poor people - limited because so much is kept secret and so much is lied about ( SO like the work of the devil!) - but it doesn't suggest much can be done. It makes me angry.
I believe the work you describe here, Jim, is SO crucial we must support it and pray for its good fruits. God bless you and Keep you safe if/when you really challenge those whom you are up against.

by: wroggr

01-27-2011 @ 10:31pm

I live in the UK. I am currently reading nicholas Shaxson's book, just out - Treasure Islands - Tax Havens and the Men who stole the world.
It makes me so angry. I recommend it as a must read! It makes the work you are describing here, Jim, SO crucial. We must support it and pray for it/you.
It describes the huge p[art you country and mine (especailly) play in supporting the clandestine, secret liars and con-merchants ( so typical of the work of the devil, we are told by the fundamentalists )who help the wealthy avoid paying taxes - which are an obligatory part of living in a democracy, are they not? Another important read is The Spirit Level by Richard Wilkinson and Kte Pickett, about the harmful effects to wellbeing of unequal societies ( like the US and the UK) and also Unjust Rewards by Polly Toynbee and David Walker, which describes the ignorance of the wealthy about what poverty actually means to real people, and the extent to which they have gone "out of sight" in relation to their comparative wealth (and greed).Unbeliveable in a so called democracy and supposedly moral society. What happened to previously universal (in all religions) laws against usury? It's no wonder people are converting to Islam in greater numbers - they are not immoral and don't want to be,... and it's no wonder the Middle East is in such ferment right now.

by: jesse3

01-27-2011 @ 10:47pm

"Furthermore, business ethics professors at some of the country's leading business schools have also told me that their courses are over-subscribed, yet they still feel marginal to the curriculum."

--I heard an interesting talk years ago related to ethics education, and the speaker mentioned that such classes have zero influence on behavior. It's not that business leaders, politicians, etc. don't know right from wrong--the Enron culprits received their MBAs and many surely attended business ethics classes. But they see no reason to choose good over evil. This suggests talk achieves little, and spiritual transformation that occurs at a heart level is required.

by: Charles Kiker

01-27-2011 @ 8:59pm

I am politically center left. I supported Obama in 2008 and am not sorry that I did. But I am sorry that moral values in the economy seemed to take a back seat, or no seat at all, in the President's state of the union message. I suppose he is following what he thinks is the way the wind is blowing. I guess it's up to us to change the direction of the wind. (Is that a quote or paraphrase from Jim Wallis?)

by: 082759

01-27-2011 @ 9:40pm

Hi Jim: I like your blog. I am head of communications at The Africa Bureau of USAID ... and am working on serious poverty issues. I heard on NPR that the bankers attending 2011 DAVOS are absolutely unapologetic about the economic crisis - and that conversations amongst them are focused on re-building their own fortunes. I hope you move out of your comfort zone over there - and rattle some cages. Thanks again, Sue

by: 082759

01-27-2011 @ 9:42pm

Hi Jim ... your bog entries are great - but make sure you aren't preaching to the choir. Get out of your comfort zone and talk to the bankers. I understand they are absolutely unapologetic about their role in the financial crisis. ~Sue Wood

by: eurotony

01-27-2011 @ 9:47pm

I suspect that in all countries we will look in vain for leadership from politicians. Most of them are either afraid of the financial muscle of the banks/big business or else carry too much baggage from the past. I was, however, encouraged by the recent grilling which a parliamentary select committee in London gave to Bob Diamond of Barclay's Bank (who infamously said that "It's time for the banks to stop apologising" for the events of 2007-8). One of the MPs asked him ""Can I ask you a philosophical question? Why is it easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven?" Diamond (according to one report "was stumped. This he had not expected. He paused, grinned, and looked around, before asking "Do you have another question?"" Which probably says it all.

by: wroggr

01-27-2011 @ 10:12pm

I live in the UK. I am currently reading a book just out: Treasure Islands - Tax Havens and the men who stole the world by Nicholas Shaxson. PLease read it.
Your country and mine (especially) are shameful perpetrators and supporters of the men who steal the world. We have an obligation to pay our taxes if we live in a democracy. The book exposes some of what is happening, that is killing poor people - limited because so much is kept secret and so much is lied about ( SO like the work of the devil!) - but it doesn't suggest much can be done. It makes me angry.
I believe the work you describe here, Jim, is SO crucial we must support it and pray for its good fruits. God bless you and Keep you safe if/when you really challenge those whom you are up against.

by: ghabbott

01-27-2011 @ 10:14pm

On Monday, January 24, a local Twin Cities CEO had his response published to Bill George's (former CEO of Medtronic and Harvard Professor) column arguing that businesses' focus on narrow short-term financial gains has hurt business.

The responding CEO argued in favor of Milton Friedman's philosophy that the only goal of business should be profit for its stockholders. If businesses try to worry about social responsibility they will get lost in discerning what that social responsibility is and hurt their main job of growing businesses.
As I read this CEO's article I thought about how his and Milton Friedman's understanding of business bought us to where we are in many of our current intractable problems. According to Friedman and this CEO environmental pollution can be brushed off as an externality. The cost of the creative destruction that is so important to the success of capitalism can be brushed off as an externality. The cost of market failure and malfeasance can be called an aberration and not an integral part of the free market system. Who ends up having to pay for these aberrations and externalities? The public ends up paying with bailouts, the cost of government agencies to regulate, police and clean up after business and market failures. And I'm not even mentioning the social cost of dislocation to families and communities that creative destruction causes.
Thank you, Jim Wallis, for being part of the larger value discussion. I'm tired of being accused of being a big government liberal, because government has to pay for the externalities and aberrations of businesses. Something must change in the way the world does business. We can't allow the rich to richer and the poor to get poorer, while the planet gets warmer and warmer, and while businesses gain more power to influence government in their favor. I look forward to hearing progress on your efforts.

by: wroggr

01-27-2011 @ 10:31pm

I live in the UK. I am currently reading nicholas Shaxson's book, just out - Treasure Islands - Tax Havens and the Men who stole the world.
It makes me so angry. I recommend it as a must read! It makes the work you are describing here, Jim, SO crucial. We must support it and pray for it/you.
It describes the huge p[art you country and mine (especailly) play in supporting the clandestine, secret liars and con-merchants ( so typical of the work of the devil, we are told by the fundamentalists )who help the wealthy avoid paying taxes - which are an obligatory part of living in a democracy, are they not? Another important read is The Spirit Level by Richard Wilkinson and Kte Pickett, about the harmful effects to wellbeing of unequal societies ( like the US and the UK) and also Unjust Rewards by Polly Toynbee and David Walker, which describes the ignorance of the wealthy about what poverty actually means to real people, and the extent to which they have gone "out of sight" in relation to their comparative wealth (and greed).Unbeliveable in a so called democracy and supposedly moral society. What happened to previously universal (in all religions) laws against usury? It's no wonder people are converting to Islam in greater numbers - they are not immoral and don't want to be,... and it's no wonder the Middle East is in such ferment right now.

by: jeczaja

01-27-2011 @ 11:01pm

Our "values" have made us rich and will ultimately bring us down. Short-term self-interest is the paradigm. Corporations must show growth every quarter or be considered failures-and this growth must be forever! This is absurd and unsustainable and leads to corporate shenanigans just to stay alive. Philosophically, we follow Adam Smith's rational self-interest paradigm and Alan Greenspan was a fan of atheist Ayn Rand, a proponent of selfishness as the summum bonum. This is bad enough, but economic eugenics has infected the churches (if you're rich its because God approves you-if not, you are undeserving.) http://theroadupward.wordpress.../

by: Uncasmct

01-27-2011 @ 11:01pm

I live in small town Virginia- within a two hour drive of the heart of central Appalachia. I am frank to say that I find all this ethics talk from Davos a little tiresome. It is wonderful that the super rich can take their private jets to the world's winter playground, but I wonder how many of them declined bonuses this year? Or whether the heavy hitting investment bankers are among this world elite. I also wonder if you, Jim, have been spending much time contemplating the reality of the principalities and powers in recent months. I am bemused when I read your current title at Sojourners as Editor in Chief and CEO. Maybe you could do a Bible Study on the powers while you are waiting for the next values seminar to convene. Uncas McThenia

by: Uncasmct

01-27-2011 @ 11:01pm

I live in small town Virginia- within a two hour drive of the heart of central Appalachia. I am frank to say that I find all this ethics talk from Davos a little tiresome. It is wonderful that the super rich can take their private jets to the world's winter playground, but I wonder how many of them declined bonuses this year? Or whether the heavy hitting investment bankers are among this world elite. I also wonder if you, Jim, have been spending much time contemplating the reality of the principalities and powers in recent months. I am bemused when I read your current title at Sojourners as Editor in Chief and CEO. Maybe you could do a Bible Study on the powers while you are waiting for the next values seminar to convene. Uncas McThenia

by: thrasher141

01-28-2011 @ 12:45am

Jim,
Thanks for your work on behalf of the world's poor. We must continue to speak up for those who have no voice, care for the poor, and "jam a spoke in the wheel" on the monstrous, unjust machine that keeps the poor poor and the rich rich. The problem is it is nice being rich. It is nice to be comfortable and to have spending money for fun stuff. Which makes it hard to have integrity and be motivated in the struggle against injustice.

Also in the US we have put capitalism on a sacred pedastal. We aren't allowed to discuss it. It's time to dream about a new economic system.

by: thrasher141

01-28-2011 @ 12:45am

Jim,
Thanks for your work on behalf of the world's poor. We must continue to speak up for those who have no voice, care for the poor, and "jam a spoke in the wheel" on the monstrous, unjust machine that keeps the poor poor and the rich rich. The problem is it is nice being rich. It is nice to be comfortable and to have spending money for fun stuff. Which makes it hard to have integrity and be motivated in the struggle against injustice.

Also in the US we have put capitalism on a sacred pedastal. We aren't allowed to discuss it. It's time to dream about a new economic system.

by: Bungarra

01-28-2011 @ 12:58am

Nothing like a good uncorrupted review of peoples actions followed up by suitable sanctions to keep the fear of exposure present in the minds of those who would exploit. Trouble is that when these institutions have been corrupted by monies, such controls become lax.

I would suggest that a sub text in the cry for small Government is to reduce accountability. A small example is the persistence of the drug associated OutLaw Bike gangs here seem to persist. Perhaps their lawyers should be charged with criminal conspiracy and not have the cloak of client protection currently given. Same thing for business deals, if the deal is to avoid obligations, the adviser, legal representatives should also be also guilty of conspiracy if found guilty.

Unjust, something has got to even out the power inequities.

by: Bungarra

01-28-2011 @ 12:58am

Nothing like a good uncorrupted review of peoples actions followed up by suitable sanctions to keep the fear of exposure present in the minds of those who would exploit. Trouble is that when these institutions have been corrupted by monies, such controls become lax.

I would suggest that a sub text in the cry for small Government is to reduce accountability. A small example is the persistence of the drug associated OutLaw Bike gangs here seem to persist. Perhaps their lawyers should be charged with criminal conspiracy and not have the cloak of client protection currently given. Same thing for business deals, if the deal is to avoid obligations, the adviser, legal representatives should also be also guilty of conspiracy if found guilty.

Unjust, something has got to even out the power inequities.

by: Bungarra

01-28-2011 @ 1:03am

Good points wroggr, was transfer pricing discussed to avoid responsibility's . Eg take the profit as the freight charged on the company ship registered in a flag of convenience, and then plead poor when royalties for the ore are asked for. Also charge out internal transfers for IP and patents at a high rate and then by basing them in not tax areas. that comes off the bottom line and hence tax for the country one is operating in. Just free market colonialism.

So we pay more tax or have for the common good.

by: Bungarra

01-28-2011 @ 1:03am

Good points wroggr, was transfer pricing discussed to avoid responsibility's . Eg take the profit as the freight charged on the company ship registered in a flag of convenience, and then plead poor when royalties for the ore are asked for. Also charge out internal transfers for IP and patents at a high rate and then by basing them in not tax areas. that comes off the bottom line and hence tax for the country one is operating in. Just free market colonialism.

So we pay more tax or have for the common good.

by: Bungarra

01-28-2011 @ 1:14am

I have just finished reading Just finished reading "Deer Hunting With Jesus, Dispatches from America's Class War" by Joe Bageant.

Interesting read, explained to me some of the sub texts in US TV shows we are swamped with. Its reporting from your area.

With respect I would suggest that Davos is very relevant for your community's well being, just as there are serious issues to be considered here with the influence of US politics/economic theory and practice spilling into Ausltralia.

by: Bungarra

01-28-2011 @ 1:14am

I have just finished reading Just finished reading "Deer Hunting With Jesus, Dispatches from America's Class War" by Joe Bageant.

Interesting read, explained to me some of the sub texts in US TV shows we are swamped with. Its reporting from your area.

With respect I would suggest that Davos is very relevant for your community's well being, just as there are serious issues to be considered here with the influence of US politics/economic theory and practice spilling into Ausltralia.

by: Uncasmct

01-28-2011 @ 12:36pm

Thanks so much for your comment Bungarra. Joe Bageant is a genuine voice for social change in America. I would be very, no change that, incrfedibly surprised, if Joe were ever tempted to buy a ticket to Davos. Noone is safe from seduction by the powers but Joe is much more perceptive than most of us. And in my opinon it was not a few wayward Wall Street Bankers who got us into the worst recession in my country since the great depression of the thirties. It was the ethos of Davos and the seduction of power. I would not, in all likelihood, be strong enough to resist it but I think Bageant might. I once thought Sojourners would not be seduced by the powers and principlaities that St Paul warned us about. But
I think I was wrong. It is not that meetings of the world elite is a dangerous event, but it is the seductive poiwer of the message "come join us as we figure out a way to run the world". Yep one question for the agenda this week - what has happened to the distribution of the world's wealth in the years of Davos? Has there been any change in that? And in what direction? I suspect the answer is that the gap between the haves and have nots has increased. Be well. Uncas

by: Uncasmct

01-28-2011 @ 12:36pm

Thanks so much for your comment Bungarra. Joe Bageant is a genuine voice for social change in America. I would be very, no change that, incrfedibly surprised, if Joe were ever tempted to buy a ticket to Davos. Noone is safe from seduction by the powers but Joe is much more perceptive than most of us. And in my opinon it was not a few wayward Wall Street Bankers who got us into the worst recession in my country since the great depression of the thirties. It was the ethos of Davos and the seduction of power. I would not, in all likelihood, be strong enough to resist it but I think Bageant might. I once thought Sojourners would not be seduced by the powers and principlaities that St Paul warned us about. But
I think I was wrong. It is not that meetings of the world elite is a dangerous event, but it is the seductive poiwer of the message "come join us as we figure out a way to run the world". Yep one question for the agenda this week - what has happened to the distribution of the world's wealth in the years of Davos? Has there been any change in that? And in what direction? I suspect the answer is that the gap between the haves and have nots has increased. Be well. Uncas

by: Ngchen

01-28-2011 @ 3:12pm

When it comes to externalities, I've always felt that Pigovian taxes are a somewhat "market" way to deal with them. They can even be coupled with reductions in other, less productive taxes such as income tax in order to be revenue neutral.

by: Ngchen

01-28-2011 @ 3:12pm

When it comes to externalities, I've always felt that Pigovian taxes are a somewhat "market" way to deal with them. They can even be coupled with reductions in other, less productive taxes such as income tax in order to be revenue neutral.

by: duhsciple

01-28-2011 @ 3:53pm

Uncas wrote: I am bemused when I read your current title at Sojourners as Editor in Chief and CEO. Maybe you could do a Bible Study on the powers while you are witing for the next values seminar to convene.

My genuine question: What title(s) would you find more appropriate? How much do title(s) really matter over against how you think/act/pray?

by: duhsciple

01-28-2011 @ 3:53pm

Uncas wrote: I am bemused when I read your current title at Sojourners as Editor in Chief and CEO. Maybe you could do a Bible Study on the powers while you are witing for the next values seminar to convene.

My genuine question: What title(s) would you find more appropriate? How much do title(s) really matter over against how you think/act/pray?

by: Uncasmct

01-28-2011 @ 4:06pm

duhsciple - thanks for your comment. I think titles reflect a lot. Titles are a part of the costumes we wear. And they are not insiginificant. We all wear vaeiuous costumes- and they have an effect on the wearer and those who interact with the wearer. That statement is, I hope, value free. It is intended solely as an observtion of the world. Priests wear costumes - and that reality bears on how others relate to her/him. And that reality afffects in significant ways how that person who wears the costume interacts with others. That is in itself neither good nor bad. But in a very real sense we are the costumes we wear. CEOs act differently than labor organizers, or priests, or assembly line workers. They think differently, they percieve reality differently. And much of that has to do with what they hear, learn, and assimilate from others wearing the same costume.

by: Uncasmct

01-28-2011 @ 4:06pm

duhsciple - thanks for your comment. I think titles reflect a lot. Titles are a part of the costumes we wear. And they are not insiginificant. We all wear vaeiuous costumes- and they have an effect on the wearer and those who interact with the wearer. That statement is, I hope, value free. It is intended solely as an observtion of the world. Priests wear costumes - and that reality bears on how others relate to her/him. And that reality afffects in significant ways how that person who wears the costume interacts with others. That is in itself neither good nor bad. But in a very real sense we are the costumes we wear. CEOs act differently than labor organizers, or priests, or assembly line workers. They think differently, they percieve reality differently. And much of that has to do with what they hear, learn, and assimilate from others wearing the same costume.

by: liberalinlove

01-28-2011 @ 5:32pm

Blessed are those who hunger and thirst after righteousness.
It sounds like those who hunger for this, and have a longing to see virtue return to the marketplace are in a ripe place and a right place to seek Jesus as Lord of all.

Unfortunately, it has been my experience that even in small "Christian" businesses, virtue and morality is not high priority.

Integrity is love in action. May we all learn its message as we head to our respective jobs and work with the mind of Christ at all times.

As we seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, all those things we strive for and work for and need will be added unto us.

Thanks Jim for being in the right place at the right time. May you bear much fruit as you introduce many to the teachings and principles of Jesus. May many come to Jesus as a result, to be Lord of their lives. May the message transform our world.

by: liberalinlove

01-28-2011 @ 5:32pm

Blessed are those who hunger and thirst after righteousness.
It sounds like those who hunger for this, and have a longing to see virtue return to the marketplace are in a ripe place and a right place to seek Jesus as Lord of all.

Unfortunately, it has been my experience that even in small "Christian" businesses, virtue and morality is not high priority.

Integrity is love in action. May we all learn its message as we head to our respective jobs and work with the mind of Christ at all times.

As we seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, all those things we strive for and work for and need will be added unto us.

Thanks Jim for being in the right place at the right time. May you bear much fruit as you introduce many to the teachings and principles of Jesus. May many come to Jesus as a result, to be Lord of their lives. May the message transform our world.

by: karenykarl

01-28-2011 @ 6:06pm

Values are a nice place to start, but one of the wisest things anyone ever said to me was, "Ideas are a dime a dozen. What we need is implementation." In other words, a change in values will mean absolutely nothing, unless concrete steps are taken to actually change policies both within and between financial, productive, and government organizations. And that includes relations between foreign powers and multinational corporations.

We've already seen what's happened in Tunisia. Unless the United States takes active measures to actually do something about the effects of chronic, long term unemployment, we will be creating the same set of conditions that led that Tunisian fruit peddler to create that massive societal unrest that is now spreading to other Arab countries. When is that future American fruit peddler going to set off a conflagration that will envelope our country?

Similarly, a change in values does nothing to eliminate the speculation and funny, unregulated money that is sloshing back and forth in our world financial markets. Unless some concrete steps are taken (particularly by the G-20), we are setting the stage for the next great depression that will dwarf anything we are now experiencing.

The devil is in the details of implementation. But implementation is the only thing that can make a real change in values.

by: karenykarl

01-28-2011 @ 6:06pm

Values are a nice place to start, but one of the wisest things anyone ever said to me was, "Ideas are a dime a dozen. What we need is implementation." In other words, a change in values will mean absolutely nothing, unless concrete steps are taken to actually change policies both within and between financial, productive, and government organizations. And that includes relations between foreign powers and multinational corporations.

We've already seen what's happened in Tunisia. Unless the United States takes active measures to actually do something about the effects of chronic, long term unemployment, we will be creating the same set of conditions that led that Tunisian fruit peddler to create that massive societal unrest that is now spreading to other Arab countries. When is that future American fruit peddler going to set off a conflagration that will envelope our country?

Similarly, a change in values does nothing to eliminate the speculation and funny, unregulated money that is sloshing back and forth in our world financial markets. Unless some concrete steps are taken (particularly by the G-20), we are setting the stage for the next great depression that will dwarf anything we are now experiencing.

The devil is in the details of implementation. But implementation is the only thing that can make a real change in values.

by: Joel225A

01-28-2011 @ 8:02pm

-the Enron culprits received their MBAs and many surely attended business ethics classes. But they see no reason to choose good over evil. This suggests talk achieves little, and spiritual transformation that occurs at a heart level is required."

Jesse that was well stated . The academia of today really have no foundation to stand on when they speak about ethics. They have no foundation . There is no foundation for morality in a purely evolutionary worldview. I am not talking about the science of evolution , I am speaking to what i do is Ok what you do is ok value system of our culture today. Particles simply are all about in our reasoning , but there is no ought. This is why it is tragically ironic when modern educators complain about the lack of ethics in their students. They are like people who have cut off the limb they are standing on and now find themselves falling complaining about gravity.

by: Joel225A

01-28-2011 @ 8:02pm

-the Enron culprits received their MBAs and many surely attended business ethics classes. But they see no reason to choose good over evil. This suggests talk achieves little, and spiritual transformation that occurs at a heart level is required."

Jesse that was well stated . The academia of today really have no foundation to stand on when they speak about ethics. They have no foundation . There is no foundation for morality in a purely evolutionary worldview. I am not talking about the science of evolution , I am speaking to what i do is Ok what you do is ok value system of our culture today. Particles simply are all about in our reasoning , but there is no ought. This is why it is tragically ironic when modern educators complain about the lack of ethics in their students. They are like people who have cut off the limb they are standing on and now find themselves falling complaining about gravity.

by: greenpeaceRochdale1844

01-28-2011 @ 8:56pm

Joel225a and Jesse talking about ethics courses: I would be curious to confirm in the first case that any of the ringleaders had taken any ethics courses. How long has that movement been building and how far has it spread?
As someone with a longtime interest in psychology and spirituality, I was interested to realize in the last decade or so that it is economic activity and entrepreneurship that is the focus of change, whether by consumer behavior or entrepreneurial or reform producer behavior. Since then, I´ve honed in on the political economic philosophy of profit maximizing etc. and the consumer obedience to the mainstream marketplace that is the linchpin in the current social system.
For example, in New York City, there is at least not an absence of health food stores and yoga schools, for example. In some cases, they have been combined. Moreover, there are a few food co-ops. There are a variety of health food products that are embodying the commitments of producers in associations like Fair Trade, organic foods, green technology certifications, and so on such as discussed in Michael Conroy´s book Branded or in the work of NGOs like Green America.
Ultimately, I´d say Davos is a difficult place to get sincere implementation. The premises of the participants is simply based on unrealistic expecations buffered by their own experiences of socially constructed power. I wish Jesus´name alone could change it all on a dime, but God´s evolving Creation is subtler than that, as activists of all kinds, from Gandhi to Rigoberta Menchu to Mandela, Greenpeace, and Oxfam have shown. We´ve got to work to wake up any and all who can listen, mostly the customers of the Davos fat cats. Good work and good luck there, though, Jim!

by: BlueDeacon

01-29-2011 @ 4:42pm

Sorry, but you can't merely blame "academia" for this one. If the church hadn't abdicated its role as the conscience of society for political and cultural power and been co-opted in part because of its members desire for the "good life," maybe we wouldn't have this problem -- but of course too many of us "blame the poor" for their state and have even formed propaganda arms disguises as "media ministries" to do the job.

by: duhsciple

01-29-2011 @ 4:56pm

From the Saint Luke University Economics 101 lecture, fall semester, 21st century:

Blessed are those who are focused on the bottom line, pure profit motivations, and who pull themselves up by their bootstraps, for they will be the moral, superior and extremely rich winners. God's Kingdom belongs to them!~~ ?Economics Professor Jesus?

See Luke 6:21, 24

by: scat

01-29-2011 @ 5:15pm

We are never going to change greedy, self-serving human nature. So maybe the solution is to make peace profitable.

by: scat

01-29-2011 @ 5:15pm

We are never going to change greedy, self-serving human nature. So maybe the solution is to make peace profitable.

by: Joel225A

01-29-2011 @ 7:43pm

"Sorry, but you can't merely blame "academia" for this one."

blue your not even close on this one . Blaming academia ? That's not what I am saying .

I am talking about a functional atheistic worldview bolstered by a pick and choose scheme and it's effects on morality. I actually got on this because I was reading about how a former President of Harvard University was bemoaning the lack of ethics in the students at Harvard. It seemed to me he was and is part of a system that has attempted to destroy the foundations of the house of Western Culture and is now trying desperately to patch the walls while the house falls down around him. The irony is this very well educated man doesn't seem to see the obvious."

by: Joel225A

01-29-2011 @ 7:43pm

"Sorry, but you can't merely blame "academia" for this one."

blue your not even close on this one . Blaming academia ? That's not what I am saying .

I am talking about a functional atheistic worldview bolstered by a pick and choose scheme and it's effects on morality. I actually got on this because I was reading about how a former President of Harvard University was bemoaning the lack of ethics in the students at Harvard. It seemed to me he was and is part of a system that has attempted to destroy the foundations of the house of Western Culture and is now trying desperately to patch the walls while the house falls down around him. The irony is this very well educated man doesn't seem to see the obvious."

by: redbillie

01-29-2011 @ 8:28pm

No one willingly lets go of power and shares it with everyone, unless they are motivated by truth and love, which flow from God, Jesus christ and the Holy Spirit. Perhaps instead of feeling stuck, a good prayer time would provide answers with those who pray.
At least Jim should be a part of that. If not, he is trying to lead, not let God lead. Eloise Iles

by: redbillie

01-29-2011 @ 8:28pm

No one willingly lets go of power and shares it with everyone, unless they are motivated by truth and love, which flow from God, Jesus christ and the Holy Spirit. Perhaps instead of feeling stuck, a good prayer time would provide answers with those who pray.
At least Jim should be a part of that. If not, he is trying to lead, not let God lead. Eloise Iles

by: kathyNZ

01-29-2011 @ 11:46pm

Best Wishes Jim with Davos and all that comes from it.
I imagine you're aware of the 'Charter for Compassion' - founder Karen Armstrong. The Charter's Golden Rule is 'to treat all people as we would ant to be treated'. This is not new and it comes out in your blog. To encourage the CEO's to commit themselves to the principles of the charter could be beneficial..... best wishes Kathy from NZ

by: kathyNZ

01-29-2011 @ 11:46pm

Best Wishes Jim with Davos and all that comes from it.
I imagine you're aware of the 'Charter for Compassion' - founder Karen Armstrong. The Charter's Golden Rule is 'to treat all people as we would ant to be treated'. This is not new and it comes out in your blog. To encourage the CEO's to commit themselves to the principles of the charter could be beneficial..... best wishes Kathy from NZ

by: kansasmennonite

01-29-2011 @ 11:54pm

Joel said :"It seemed to me he was and is part of a system that has attempted to destroy the foundations of the house of Western Culture and is now trying desperately to patch the walls while the house falls down around him. The irony is this very well educated man doesn't seem to see the obvious."

The obvious conclusion that you can't have a system whereby the rich keep getting richer (via tax cuts, etc.) and the poorer keep getting poorer?