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How Should We Respond to the Death of Osama bin Laden?

This morning most Americans are feeling a sense of relief at the news that Osama bin Laden is dead. He was truly an apostle of hate, a dedicated purveyor of violence in response to every grievance, a manipulator and distorter of religion for political purposes, and a man responsible for the deaths of thousands of people. Nevertheless, it is never a Christian response to celebrate the death of any human being, even one so given over to the face of evil. Violence is always an indication of our failure to resolve our conflicts by peaceful means, and is always an occasion for deeper reflection.

A brief statement from the Vatican this morning says it well:

"Osama bin Laden, as we all know, bore the most serious responsibility for spreading divisions and hatred among populations, causing the deaths of innumerable people, and manipulating religions to this end," said Jesuit Father Federico Lombardi, the Vatican spokesman, who released a brief written statement reacting to the news.

"In the face of a man's death, a Christian never rejoices, but reflects on the serious responsibilities of each person before God and before men, and hopes and works so that every event may be the occasion for the further growth of peace and not of hatred."

The Bible takes evil seriously and clearly says that evildoers should be held accountable for their deeds, and the state has the legitimate and important role of bringing to justice those who perpetrate terrible crimes. Osama bin Laden was perhaps the most monstrous face of the monster of terrorism in our time. But killing bin Laden has certainly not ended the problem or threat of terrorism. And it also does not vindicate the decade of perpetual war, which has been the U.S. response to the horrible attacks on 9/11 that have also resulted in thousands of other innocent casualties in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Indeed, the problem of war is how indiscriminate it is. And it is worth noting that the special forces action that resulted in the death of bin Laden was a very focused effort to bring one perpetrator to justice, rather than just another act of war. We didn't get bin Laden as a casualty of bombing raids or drone attacks on the city that harbored him; instead, this was the result of careful intelligence and a laser-like focus on the man most responsible for 9/11. Some of us believe that should have been the U.S. strategy from the beginning.

But the death of bin Laden must become an important historical moment of reflection. How do we best respond to evil and those who perpetrate it? What have we learned in the last 10 years about what truly is the best answer to the violence of terrorism? How do we change the conditions that have allowed terrorists to pull others into their agenda? In this fallen world we are often faced with imperfect choices in response to the clear dangers of evil. Religious wisdom always has us look also at ourselves and what opportunities we have to be makers of peace. As Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn once said, "Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties either, but right through every human heart, and through all human hearts."

What must be said, as was strongly stated last night by President Obama, is that America is not, nor has it ever been, at war with Islam or the Muslim world. As many have pointed out, many of the victims of Osama bin Laden and his al Qaeda network were Muslims, both in the U.S. and around the world. It is indeed time to unite with our many faiths around a serious strategy for building peace.

Before the news last night, it was clear that Osama bin Laden was already losing. The "Arab Spring" of young Arabs and Muslims through nonviolent democratic movements has been a repudiation of bin Laden and his radical terrorist agenda. The death of Osama bin Laden could be a turning point in our ability to both resist evil and seek good, to turn away from the logic of both terrorism and war, and, as the Bible says, to find the things "that make for peace."

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Jim Wallis is the author of Rediscovering Values: A Guide for Economic and Moral Recovery, and CEO of Sojourners. He blogs at www.godspolitics.com. Follow Jim on Twitter @JimWallis.


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by: Heather Dawn Culpepper

05-02-2011 @ 11:32pm

Seriously. The OT is full of orders to murder. Why should it be any different now?

Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests

Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

Kill Witches

You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)

Kill Homosexuals
"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

Kill Fortunetellers

A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)

Death for Hitting Dad

Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)

Death for Cursing Parents

1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20 NAB)

2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)

Death for Adultery

If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)

Death for Fornication

A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)

Death to Followers of Other Religions

Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)

Kill Nonbelievers

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

by: scat

05-03-2011 @ 4:30am

MikeSw -- another important difference between Saddam Hussein and OBL -- Hussein had nothing to do with 9/11, OBL apparently orchestrated it. Both were dispicable men who used murder to get what they wanted. Hussein and his army were no threat to us. There was nothing to justify killing thousands of people in a pretense of retribution. I wonder if we would be seeing the worldwide jubilation in the streets if we had bombed this little suburb killing thousands of innocents in order to eliminate OBL, where at least we had some legitimate right to bring him to justice.

by: MikeSw

05-02-2011 @ 11:38pm

I sincerely trust that your sister became wiser. I obviously disagree. Not be glad that the second greatest mass murderer in history is no longer a threat? I just don't how it is wrong.

In Exodus chapter 15 (http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/searc... the Israelites rejoiced at the Egyptian army's drowning in the Red Sea. Their reaction was very similar to what we saw in many places in the U.S. last evening. I don't see God condemning them for that reaction.

YMMV.

by: Charles Green

05-03-2011 @ 5:57am

As a former Navy member, and having worked with the likes of the professionals in ST6, I assure you, had it been possible to capture him alive, he would be sitting in Ft. Leavenworth as I type.

As it was not I morn his death, and at the same time feel Justice was served. I do not morn his cause, or what he stood for. Those I abhor. I do not think this is a time of "Dancing in the streets". We are above that. That is the same behavior as those who celebrated 9/11. As a military man, his death is regrettable, but was necessary. He it at the hands of the sailors sent to take him, or by lethal injection. It was all but assured. In the end this way at least saved the family's from enduring a court battle.

May God have mercy on his soul.

by: MikeSw

05-05-2011 @ 11:59pm

He doesn't say a word about Syria. Perhaps it would be better for me to say that he generally makes the wrong decision. The OBL op is the exception, but I'm not sure it was all Obama's decision. It very well might be that others in the Administration created a situation where Obama had no other choice. As I said, history will eventually write the complete story.

by: deano

05-03-2011 @ 12:35am

Weighing In!

We have, as a society, imposed our moral compass on the "Alien" Nations since the inception of Western Philosophy. Our inability to walk together in harmony has manifested it's self in numerous accounts throughout history. In a 1956 Websters Dictionary, it makes direct reference to KKK as "Terrorists within the State". The oppressive behaviour of religion in the hands of anyone with agenda, will be rejected by God himself, and the main line Church is subject without prejudice. The understanding of "Gods' Word", becomes subjective in the hands of legalism, with justification by way of pointing to select scripture. In my community, the State gave way to the Church being in charge of "educating" the indigenous Native culture, that resided in North America for 1000's of years before being over taken by greed. 50,000 children have gone missing, along with all documentation as to the family origin and parental lineage.

Just as I must have forgiveness in my heart, for the "transgressions of those who come against me" as the Lord's prayer commands, the Lord to gave forgiveness to those who murdered Jesus at Golgatha. I honestly felt sadness in my spirit for Osama and his family. We have really only been shown the agenda by the State. If we had a chance to listen to the needs prior, perhaps we could have avoided the 911 incident through compassion and cooperation all together.

In our search for humanity, the more I study human behaviour....the less humane, I observe, he has become.

Please keep peace in our hearts and forgiveness for all.

In my opinion, the largest threat that Osama posed to the USA, was that he rebelled against hypocrisy. He said no for his people, against the Western civilization and it's "Ways". We impose our belief system on others as though we are the way, the life and the truth. Yet in my observation of the moral compass of North America, the way we treat our women is nothing short of disgusting. The majority of women end up serving a "Snake" like god that is full of deception and manipulation of women's sexuality, all at the beck and call of those who run the State, and are in position of power within the Church. The Church has manipulated the people in guilt, while sodomising our youth, and hiding behind the State in a convoluted pattern of deception.
In short, before we go on the next "Witch Hunt" of the day, make sure you take a good, hard, look at the man that stands before you in the mirror.

by: classyferret

05-05-2011 @ 2:53pm

I try not to condemn or judge our leaders when they have the heavy burden of responsibility to try to keep America safe. Bottom-line, they do what they can to protect our children. We owe them our allegiance and not peanut gallery comments about how they're not keeping us safe in the right way. They aren't Christ, we aren't Christ. We do the best we can. Too many evoke the words of Christ to condemn well-intended children of God.

I am opposed to using torture to extract information from possible terrorists. However, I'm in favor of ridding the world of murderous leaders. This would be far preferable to hosting big wars where tens of thousands of innocent people die.

The underlying issue here, as I see it, is that Christians have hesitated, at various points throughout history, to act to rid the word of evil, homicidal leaders such as Bin Laden and Hitler. They hedge for "good" reasons...but the net result is genocide and the other evils that are perpetuated by the Evil ones.

I don't suppose I view it as particularly Christian to sit in judgment of leaders who carry heavy weights of responsibility to keep us safe. We might nudge and suggest but we must not condemn as if we were judge and jury...or as if we were Christ.

by: MikeSw

05-03-2011 @ 11:44am

But Hussein was a supporter of terrorists which brought him within the circle of when our govt said it would take action.

Question: if we were not in Afghanistan, would this raid have been possible? Answer: unlikely. Remember Carter's attempt to free the hostages in 1979,

by: Kwyatt

05-03-2011 @ 12:34am

"You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect." (Matthew 5:43-48, Jesus)

by: MikeSw

05-03-2011 @ 11:50am

I believe that the Obama administration believes that CAIR and ISNA are organizations with which it can work. I disagree with that conclusion, but that appears to be what it has decided, much to the chagrin of some in the Justice Department.

I would highly recommend Andy McCarthy's books Willful Blindness and The Grand Jihad.

by: Hallock53

05-03-2011 @ 12:42am

I felt torn as to how I should respond to the death of Bin Laden. On the one hand I am proud of America's resolve in fighting terrorism and seeking justice for those who have given their lives
in the war on terror. But what kind of justice should we be seeking? There have been many references to OT verses about
retribution for those who have committed such acts as Bin Laden.
What we see in the teachings of Jesus is something a little
different. Thanks Jim for sharing your insights.

by: MikeSw

05-03-2011 @ 11:47am

Yes Hudson, I am aware of that but the Federal Rules of Evidence also require the trial judge to make a preliminary finding of what amounts to probably cause before identifying these other entities at the trial and using statements made by the unindicted co-conspirators. It does not change what the trial judge found at the trial level.

Furthermore, that does not change the fact of CAIR's relationships and founding.

by: duhsciple

05-03-2011 @ 12:55am

What's different. You have heard it was said in ancient times to love your neighbor, but hate your enemy, but Jesus says, over against this traditional practice, "Love your enemies, pray for your persecutors." You have heard it said an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth (reciprocal revenge) but Jesus says to you, "Do not violently resist evildoers, escalating violence."

by: MikeSw

05-03-2011 @ 11:53am

So, do you have some special insight into what does and does not apply from the OT, because you seem to to have no problem using it whenever it suits your political viewpoint.

by: Ngchen

05-06-2011 @ 1:02am

Isn't it possible or even likely that he has decided to impose limited sanctions on Syria for what's going on?

Now, in terms of he making wrong decisions, of course we can debate how right or wrong the decisions were/are. What do you believe to be the right decision w/r/t Syria and why?

by: scat

05-03-2011 @ 12:54am

Personally, I would have preferred a live capture, trial, conviction and sentence to life in a 6' by 8' cell. That is much closer to justice that we can be proud of. One part of me says a bullet in the head was too merciful, the better part says it was a failed opportunity to let our system of justice do its job.
Aside from eliminating a serious threat to all inahabitants of this planet, the execution style attack was at least a step forward from just dropping a planeload of bombs on the city, as in the infamous "shock and awe" destruction of Bahdad a few years ago. We can only guess at how much "collateral damage" was imposed on innocent Iraquis, not to mention to failure to hit the main target and the death and injury to thousands of our young people. This surgical strike was at least better than that. We need to pray for the day when we know how to do what is just without bloodshed at all. We should never glory in the death of another, even one who had himself caused so much death and destruction.

by: Charles Kiker

05-03-2011 @ 1:34pm

Mike, you are insulting the memory of my sister's wisdom before she was stricken with dementia. I refuse to hurl insults your way, but would greatly appreciate your apology.

by: CJ

05-03-2011 @ 12:58am

Love calls us to seek peace. But love also requires us to defend the defenseless. I believe that bringing Osama bin Laden to justice and to stop him from killing people was a powerful act of love for all humanity. Yes, it would have been preferable to bring him alive, and I truly believe that was the plan. But, any soldier will tell you that no plan survives the battlefield. I don't think anyone truly rejoices at his death. I rejoice that this man will no longer kill innocent people and I rejoice that now we have much firmer ground to seek the end of a decade long war.

by: BlueDeacon

05-03-2011 @ 2:06pm

No, I don't and have never claimed to, but the Scripture clearly says that the extermination of the peoples living in the Promised Land was ordained by God. Take your argument with God.

by: MikeSw

05-03-2011 @ 1:00am

Well, there was a difference. Saddam Hussein had an army and government in place to defend him; OBL did not.

by: BlueDeacon

05-03-2011 @ 2:07pm

But Hussein was a known supporter of terrorists which brought him within the circle of when our govt said it would take action.

Beside the point -- on top of that, Saddam was on bin Laden's hit list anyway.

by: Mick Sheldon

05-05-2011 @ 5:34pm

"I stand by my earlier take that the context of Proverbs 11:10 needs to be taken into consideration"

I love to discuss the bible . I was speaking to your view which scripture is closer to Jesus . The proverbs about the righteous rejoicing I believe is the context of having leaders that are evil causing the way justice and the laws are adhered to be compromised. I guess I have heard too many good sermons on scripture that I have taken for granted then learned it was only my own ignorance that perhaps was limiting my view and importance of what God made sure was in the Bible for us to lerarn and know Him better . To say which scripture is better in understanding Christ to another is a mouth full .

by: jackvanfossen

05-03-2011 @ 1:07am

WHy do we need the Vacitan's comment on this? Given the violnent history of the Cruscades, the sex abuse scandal, and the archaic standards beheld by the Catholic church, why does Sojo continually get the Catholic angle on all things that make the news?

by: duhsciple

05-03-2011 @ 1:07am

Mimic murder
Copy killing
Ditto destroyers
Ape actions of other assassins
Parrot people snuffers
Impersonate "image of God" obliterators
Arrogant assumption
When we do it
Then it is righteous

by: Iam4peace2

05-03-2011 @ 1:09am

"I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy. Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that."
- Martin Luther King, Jr.

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by: john316

05-03-2011 @ 1:32am

I believe that if the Seal Team's lives were not in danger that they would have captured him instead of shooting him. Nevertheless, as Christians, we should guard our reactions to his demise. I think that the Baptist minister's response (welcome to hell) was entirely inappropriate for anyone but the fact that he's a minister makes it doubly true. The kind of response one might expect from Huckleberry Hound or Huckleberry Finn - not a minister.

by: David1971

05-03-2011 @ 1:35am

CJ

Certainly removing Bin Laden is a very positive development for those who love peace, but I don't see how you say "I don't think anyone truly rejoices at his death." It seems obvious to me that many people have had a celebratory and joyous reaction to his demise and, while understandable, that goes against the teachings of Jesus, whose radical message is difficult to comprehend and harder to embody precisely because it goes against our common-sense instincts. Why should we "love our enemies"? Why should we "pray for those who persecute us"? I'm not going to sit here and say it's easy for me to do that. It's almost impossible but that's what I'm commanded to do.

by: debbie061653

05-05-2011 @ 6:56pm

Hey Jim. I at first was taken by disbelief. Then a sense of relief. I listened to President Obama Sunday night and I realized something. He wasn't celebrating. Not in a joyful sense. And it was an execution. I was taken aback by that as well. Was it justified? Yeah, I think it was. My first reaction; well done Mr. President! Still is. I am just amazed how Republicans try to take credit for this. Come ON now! You guys had eight years, and nothing happened. Now its done, and you want to claim rights here? NO WAY. Remember Bush said something like this; I don't know where he is (Osama) and I don't think about him much. There's your reason right there. From day one, Mr. Obama took this on, and he took it seriously. And he got the job done! Credit where credit is due please!

by: MikeSw

05-03-2011 @ 3:08pm

Well, the Egyptians in the passage I cited were not in the Promised Land.

by: David1971

05-03-2011 @ 1:39am

john316

I live in Colombia and our current president, the former defense minister, made a similar comment when the head of a violent guerrilla group died a few years ago. I also found it to be a hateful comment, but I agree Huckabee's remarks are even worse as a religious figure. Unfortunately, that's what happens when religious leaders become right wing politicians and seem at times to worship the flag more than Jesus and his radical teachings.

by: clocks2003

05-05-2011 @ 7:22pm

Credit where it is due - Obama has made bin Laden a number one priority and the result was solid intel culminating in a raid which, had the soldiers been rather better trained, would have been a success. As it is no-one is going to get any proof that he is dead (unless the photos are leaked) so the conspiracy theories will continue and Pakistan is outraged. The changing story about what actually happened does nothing to alleviate my discomfort with the execution of the raid.
Sorry - NO credit is due to the trigger-happy Seals who carried out this raid. There would be credit had he been taken alive. He was unarmed. Despite this he was shot up so thoroughly that the pictures are 'too gruesome to release'.
I await a terrorist action in response.
Frankly, another American military cock-up!

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by: duhsciple

05-03-2011 @ 3:19pm

Because there is beauty and Christ-likeness in much of Catholicism alongside the demonic current and historical aspects you mention? Even though I'm not Catholic, Christ has worked through many Catholics to enrich my spiritual journey-- and I've been blessed by fundamentalists, evangelicals, main-liners, pentecostals, and others among the church universal.

by: Ngchen

05-03-2011 @ 2:03am

Interesting. I wonder when can we expect indictments against these unindicted co-conspirators?

by: liberalinlove

05-03-2011 @ 3:22pm

Thank you! Said succinctly! Let's not forget to celebrate the freedoms that make us the U.S., but let's continue vigilance. To say that we've removed the threat of terrorism is naive.

by: MikeSw

05-05-2011 @ 7:44pm

The history of what exactly happened in the White House over the past weeks and months has not been written yet. My suspicion is that the President was having trouble making a decision, as he seems wont to do in many foreign policy situations. Perhaps, just perhaps, others in the Administration forced his hand.

Time will tell.

by: liberalinlove

05-03-2011 @ 3:25pm

Amen! My lovely Catholic fellow heirs in Christ, also seem to have a better handle on social justice issues than other Christians I've known.

by: MikeSw

05-03-2011 @ 2:18am

Doubtful. I think the Obama administration has decided not to pursue any indictments. At least this is what was reported last week.

by: classyferret

05-05-2011 @ 7:52pm

I'll refer readers to an article by the Washington Post Editorial Board, in today's paper: "In killing Osama bin Laden, U.S. had the law on its side". Here is one quote:

It is easy in the light of day to second-guess decisions made in the heat of war. It is particularly easy for those who refuse to acknowledge that war in the first place. Based on information released by the administration, the covert military operation that brought down the most wanted terrorist in the world appears to have been gutsy and well executed. It was also lawful.

by: BlueDeacon

05-03-2011 @ 3:27pm

My bad. But it was still a demonstration of God's power over that of Pharaoh.

by: justintime

05-03-2011 @ 2:30am

How should we respond to the death of Osama Bin Laden ?

I hope we are less likely to sign away our civil liberties whenever we are subjected to right wing fear mongering .
This does not mean being less vigilant . . . It means being more grounded in basic common sense.

I hope we are wiser in the face of future terrorist threats and less likely to throw our precious blood and treasure into hopeless ventures on the other side of the world.

by: liberalinlove

05-03-2011 @ 3:31pm

You probably aren't aware of the "violent" history of Christians world wide and in our own country, who weren't Catholic.

King David had a violent history, sinned and yet was considered a man after God's own heart. Please don't worry about the Vatican. God knows who belongs to Him.

by: classyferret

05-06-2011 @ 1:48am

Here's another article that sheds light on America's response to the killing of an active enemy: "Celebrating a Death: Ugly, Maybe, but Only Human". By BENEDICT CAREY. Published: May 5, 2011
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05...

Research supports that this is a very human response to the elimination of a real threat. Christians, imo, shouldn't be disparaging their joyous neighbors over authentic and natural responses. Jesus may not want us judging others because we're not very good at figuring out what's wrong with other people, and what's right with ourselves.

by: Ted Voth Jr

05-03-2011 @ 2:32am

Assuming:

1) He's really dead.

2) He hasn't been on the CIA payroll all along (or maybe they're on his.)

3) He had anything to do with 9/11. (I think he did; I think one of his old CIA buddies called him up and asked 'Hey. Dick Cheney's got a little project going on, and wants to know if you can lend him some martyrs.)

by: Ngchen

05-05-2011 @ 8:15pm

What's your evidence that would suggest that the President has trouble in making decisions with regard to foreign policy?

by: lanorman1

05-03-2011 @ 2:43am

I came to read Jim's take on the events because every other media has the same celebratory attitude. I missed the original announcement and only saw video around 4 AM. I was sickened by the celebratory crowds-it

I appreciate the discussion of vengeance and justice. I tweeted last night that justice is a trial w/ evidence like Nuremberg. Maybe this action was inevitable. But I don't think this was a "good day" for America.

I can't be glad or happy that someone is dead. As someone tweeted, the crowds acted like it was a sporting event. Even news anchors had no neutrality in describing the news. No interviews were shown of people who weren't celebrating--the assumption is that all citizens feel the same way and anyone that doesn't must be anti-American.

"Justice has been done." There is no discussion of what justice is, what it looks like. The assumption seems to be that it is "an eye for an eye". I saw an interview with children in a religion class--the two girls interviewed both said that celebrating was wrong, even if the person killed was bad. How did kids get so smart?

by: BlueDeacon

05-03-2011 @ 3:28am

That, however, was ordained by God by definition. This one wasn't.

by: squeaky

05-05-2011 @ 8:33pm

Absolutely allergic to giving your President any credit whatsoever, aren't you Mike?

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by: Ngchen

05-02-2011 @ 6:28pm

In his twisted mind perhaps, but objectively speaking, whatever grievances there may be against the United States and west, 9/11 was mass murder.

by: susanhd

05-02-2011 @ 5:21pm

I am waiting for someone on a national level to speak up and say that killing Bin Laden was not about 'justice'. It was about vengeance. Yes, he was a horrible person and responsible for thousands of civilian deaths. But this was an execution, with the US acting as judge, jury, and executioner. When I heard Sr. Helen Prejean speak years ago, she reminded the audience that Deuteronomy 32:35 says, "Vengeance is mine, says the Lord". Vengeance is not for for us to deliver. I pray that this does not renew the cycle of bloodshed and retaliation; I pray for our country as a whole, as well as for our enemies that one day we might be reconciled.

by: willhouk

05-02-2011 @ 5:24pm

Thank you for this post Jim. Very well thought out. After I read that Mike Huckabee's response to bin Laden's death was "welcome to hell" I thought I'd see what your response was. It is very rational as I thought it would be. Thanks.

by: duhsciple

05-02-2011 @ 5:46pm

Love the question, Nghen: how else could bin Laden have gotten earthly justice?

Assuming this was not the only unique deterministic and possible way justice could be done: What other possibilities were there?

by: Jinx McHue

05-02-2011 @ 5:57pm

From what I've read, Bin Laden was given a chance to surrender. He chose to fight. Bin Laden was not like David Koresh, whom the Clinton Administration could've caught as he walked down the street had they simply waited. Bin Laden was living in a virtual fortress with many weapons and people who would die for him at his disposal. I don't think there was any other way this could have played out.

by: David1971

05-02-2011 @ 5:59pm

"You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you"

How can we rejoice over the death of a person Jesus instructed us to love?

by: David1971

05-02-2011 @ 5:59pm

"You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you"

How can we rejoice over the death of a person Jesus instructed us to love?

by: Jinx McHue

05-02-2011 @ 6:00pm

Bin Laden wasn't assassinated. He refused to surrender and chose to fight.

by: Ngchen

05-02-2011 @ 6:03pm

I read reports that the mission was a "kill mission," rather than a "capture mission." Technically, in a war, one is allowed to kill the enemy who's running away, but not to kill the enemy who's trying to surrender. Those who are captured may be tried and executed if they are illegal combatants, and/or have committed war crimes. 9/11 was clearly a war crime on numerous levels.

If there is genuine debate over whether bin Laden was responsible for 9/11, then yes an attempt to capture would seem necessary; after all, what if he were innocent? But in his case at least, I feel there's no real dispute, and while I appreciate the concerns over the lack of a formal trial, I feel that such elevates procedure over substance.

by: Joe-Allen Doty

05-02-2011 @ 6:06pm

While the USA is not officially at war with any religion, Muslims around the world are at war against those who follow Jesus' teachings. And they even burn Bibles to prove it.

by: Joe-Allen Doty

05-02-2011 @ 6:06pm

While the USA is not officially at war with any religion, Muslims around the world are at war against those who follow Jesus' teachings. And they even burn Bibles to prove it.

by: Your Name

05-02-2011 @ 6:09pm

You mean like some "Christians" burn Korans?

by: Your Name

05-02-2011 @ 6:09pm

You mean like some "Christians" burn Korans?

by: PDBurns

05-02-2011 @ 6:38pm

Thanks Jim. Quiet reflection is needed for sure. For me rejoicing seems empty. I pray and hope that this event provides some closure needed for the families of the victims. I pray that those who need the comfort of Our Savior will feel His presence today. Jesus and His vision of forgiveness, however long it takes, will provide closure to the victim's families. Pray for Peace.
Along with this reflections I cannot cast stones at those who are rejoicing or having any reaction for that matter. This is no time to score points on having a more "spiritual" reaction.

by: PDBurns

05-02-2011 @ 6:38pm

Thanks Jim. Quiet reflection is needed for sure. For me rejoicing seems empty. I pray and hope that this event provides some closure needed for the families of the victims. I pray that those who need the comfort of Our Savior will feel His presence today. Jesus and His vision of forgiveness, however long it takes, will provide closure to the victim's families. Pray for Peace.
Along with this reflections I cannot cast stones at those who are rejoicing or having any reaction for that matter. This is no time to score points on having a more "spiritual" reaction.

by: Harry Mallin

05-02-2011 @ 6:54pm

This is a sweeping over-generalization. Some Muslims around the world are at war with Christians. But some Christians (and Jews and agnostics, etc.) around the world are at war with Muslims. And they even burn Korans to prove it.

by: BlueDeacon

05-02-2011 @ 7:14pm

The Muslim Brotherhood is rising to prominence in Egypt (as many of us expected it would), and the MB has today condemned the killing of OBL.

It's not very centralized, however.

by: Tim Hyde

05-02-2011 @ 7:16pm

I'm a British citizen and our justice system is based on the assumption that someone is not-guilty until proven otherwise in a court of law. O'bama referred to the actions today as "justice done". How can the killing of any human being without proper trial, whatever he is suspected to have done, be justice? US spokespeople have taken pride in the fact that it was US military (rather than another nation) that carried out this operation. This is vengeance and makes the world an even more fragile and broken place for the rest of us to live in.

by: Kwyatt

05-03-2011 @ 12:34am

"You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect." (Matthew 5:43-48, Jesus)

by: Hallock53

05-03-2011 @ 12:42am

I felt torn as to how I should respond to the death of Bin Laden. On the one hand I am proud of America's resolve in fighting terrorism and seeking justice for those who have given their lives
in the war on terror. But what kind of justice should we be seeking? There have been many references to OT verses about
retribution for those who have committed such acts as Bin Laden.
What we see in the teachings of Jesus is something a little
different. Thanks Jim for sharing your insights.

by: CJ

05-03-2011 @ 12:58am

Love calls us to seek peace. But love also requires us to defend the defenseless. I believe that bringing Osama bin Laden to justice and to stop him from killing people was a powerful act of love for all humanity. Yes, it would have been preferable to bring him alive, and I truly believe that was the plan. But, any soldier will tell you that no plan survives the battlefield. I don't think anyone truly rejoices at his death. I rejoice that this man will no longer kill innocent people and I rejoice that now we have much firmer ground to seek the end of a decade long war.

by: jackvanfossen

05-03-2011 @ 1:07am

WHy do we need the Vacitan's comment on this? Given the violnent history of the Cruscades, the sex abuse scandal, and the archaic standards beheld by the Catholic church, why does Sojo continually get the Catholic angle on all things that make the news?

by: Iam4peace2

05-03-2011 @ 1:09am

"I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy. Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that."
- Martin Luther King, Jr.

by: john316

05-03-2011 @ 1:32am

I believe that if the Seal Team's lives were not in danger that they would have captured him instead of shooting him. Nevertheless, as Christians, we should guard our reactions to his demise. I think that the Baptist minister's response (welcome to hell) was entirely inappropriate for anyone but the fact that he's a minister makes it doubly true. The kind of response one might expect from Huckleberry Hound or Huckleberry Finn - not a minister.

by: David1971

05-03-2011 @ 1:39am

john316

I live in Colombia and our current president, the former defense minister, made a similar comment when the head of a violent guerrilla group died a few years ago. I also found it to be a hateful comment, but I agree Huckabee's remarks are even worse as a religious figure. Unfortunately, that's what happens when religious leaders become right wing politicians and seem at times to worship the flag more than Jesus and his radical teachings.

by: Charles Kiker

05-03-2011 @ 1:34pm

Mike, you are insulting the memory of my sister's wisdom before she was stricken with dementia. I refuse to hurl insults your way, but would greatly appreciate your apology.

by: BlueDeacon

05-03-2011 @ 2:07pm

But Hussein was a known supporter of terrorists which brought him within the circle of when our govt said it would take action.

Beside the point -- on top of that, Saddam was on bin Laden's hit list anyway.

by: duhsciple

05-03-2011 @ 3:19pm

Because there is beauty and Christ-likeness in much of Catholicism alongside the demonic current and historical aspects you mention? Even though I'm not Catholic, Christ has worked through many Catholics to enrich my spiritual journey-- and I've been blessed by fundamentalists, evangelicals, main-liners, pentecostals, and others among the church universal.

by: liberalinlove

05-03-2011 @ 3:22pm

Thank you! Said succinctly! Let's not forget to celebrate the freedoms that make us the U.S., but let's continue vigilance. To say that we've removed the threat of terrorism is naive.

by: classyferret

05-05-2011 @ 2:53pm

I try not to condemn or judge our leaders when they have the heavy burden of responsibility to try to keep America safe. Bottom-line, they do what they can to protect our children. We owe them our allegiance and not peanut gallery comments about how they're not keeping us safe in the right way. They aren't Christ, we aren't Christ. We do the best we can. Too many evoke the words of Christ to condemn well-intended children of God.

I am opposed to using torture to extract information from possible terrorists. However, I'm in favor of ridding the world of murderous leaders. This would be far preferable to hosting big wars where tens of thousands of innocent people die.

The underlying issue here, as I see it, is that Christians have hesitated, at various points throughout history, to act to rid the word of evil, homicidal leaders such as Bin Laden and Hitler. They hedge for "good" reasons...but the net result is genocide and the other evils that are perpetuated by the Evil ones.

I don't suppose I view it as particularly Christian to sit in judgment of leaders who carry heavy weights of responsibility to keep us safe. We might nudge and suggest but we must not condemn as if we were judge and jury...or as if we were Christ.

by: Ryan McCracken

05-02-2011 @ 5:00pm

Amen. Maranatha. Amen.

by: susanhd

05-02-2011 @ 5:21pm

I am waiting for someone on a national level to speak up and say that killing Bin Laden was not about 'justice'. It was about vengeance. Yes, he was a horrible person and responsible for thousands of civilian deaths. But this was an execution, with the US acting as judge, jury, and executioner. When I heard Sr. Helen Prejean speak years ago, she reminded the audience that Deuteronomy 32:35 says, "Vengeance is mine, says the Lord". Vengeance is not for for us to deliver. I pray that this does not renew the cycle of bloodshed and retaliation; I pray for our country as a whole, as well as for our enemies that one day we might be reconciled.

by: willhouk

05-02-2011 @ 5:24pm

Thank you for this post Jim. Very well thought out. After I read that Mike Huckabee's response to bin Laden's death was "welcome to hell" I thought I'd see what your response was. It is very rational as I thought it would be. Thanks.

by: Ngchen

05-02-2011 @ 5:41pm

While vengeance does belong to God, how else could bin Laden have gotten earthly justice?

I think his death is another example of how those who live by the sword die by the sword.

by: Mike Rogers

05-02-2011 @ 5:50pm

I tend to agree with you susanhd. Justice requires a judgment first. Vengeance does not. Saddam Hussein was judged then hanged which is more in line with justice. Osama bin Laden was assassinated without a trial which speaks more of vengeance than justice. After a good night's sleep I feel more in tune with the emotions I was experiencing last night after hearing of bin Laden's death. It was a positive feeling but not vengeful. I understand it now, not to have been rejoicing that he was dead but relief that he will never kill again.

by: Mike Rogers

05-02-2011 @ 5:50pm

I tend to agree with you susanhd. Justice requires a judgment first. Vengeance does not. Saddam Hussein was judged then hanged which is more in line with justice. Osama bin Laden was assassinated without a trial which speaks more of vengeance than justice. After a good night's sleep I feel more in tune with the emotions I was experiencing last night after hearing of bin Laden's death. It was a positive feeling but not vengeful. I understand it now, not to have been rejoicing that he was dead but relief that he will never kill again.

by: Jinx McHue

05-02-2011 @ 6:00pm

Bin Laden wasn't assassinated. He refused to surrender and chose to fight.

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05-02-2011 @ 6:00pm

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by: Ngchen

05-02-2011 @ 6:03pm

I read reports that the mission was a "kill mission," rather than a "capture mission." Technically, in a war, one is allowed to kill the enemy who's running away, but not to kill the enemy who's trying to surrender. Those who are captured may be tried and executed if they are illegal combatants, and/or have committed war crimes. 9/11 was clearly a war crime on numerous levels.

If there is genuine debate over whether bin Laden was responsible for 9/11, then yes an attempt to capture would seem necessary; after all, what if he were innocent? But in his case at least, I feel there's no real dispute, and while I appreciate the concerns over the lack of a formal trial, I feel that such elevates procedure over substance.

by: lapenseuse07

05-02-2011 @ 6:08pm

I agree completely with Jim Wallis's post: While we have every right to be glad at the removal of the evil presence that bin Laden embodied, we (especially we who identify ourselves as Christians) must exercise control over the character of our response to his death. We should avoid elation and gloating over the death of another human being, albeit one who chose a very dark path. As for bin Laden ending up in hell, no one can presume the nature of God's justice, which is always different from our own.

by: Your Name

05-02-2011 @ 6:09pm

You mean like some "Christians" burn Korans?

by: Your Name

05-02-2011 @ 6:09pm

You mean like some "Christians" burn Korans?

by: liberalinlove

05-02-2011 @ 6:17pm

Justice is about those who see it that way. Osama bin Laden, believed he was justified in what he did. I'm sure he saw the deaths during 911 as justice.

by: Ngchen

05-02-2011 @ 6:28pm

In his twisted mind perhaps, but objectively speaking, whatever grievances there may be against the United States and west, 9/11 was mass murder.

by: MikeSw

05-02-2011 @ 6:35pm

This is an interesting interesection of a number of issues: justice, the death penalty, and whether hell exists for people like OBL.

From my perspective, I am very glad that OBL has been dispatched; I think he received the justice to which he was entitled; and, absent repentance in those final moments (because there is nothing to suggest that he had prior to that time), he is in hell.

by: MikeSw

05-02-2011 @ 6:35pm

This is an interesting interesection of a number of issues: justice, the death penalty, and whether hell exists for people like OBL.

From my perspective, I am very glad that OBL has been dispatched; I think he received the justice to which he was entitled; and, absent repentance in those final moments (because there is nothing to suggest that he had prior to that time), he is in hell.

by: AmyB

05-02-2011 @ 6:36pm

Thank you, Jim Wallis & Sojourners for ALWAYS having a response that reflects the heart of Jesus and speaks with great wisdom!

by: AmyB

05-02-2011 @ 6:36pm

Thank you, Jim Wallis & Sojourners for ALWAYS having a response that reflects the heart of Jesus and speaks with great wisdom!

by: MikeSw

05-02-2011 @ 6:42pm

Jim Wallis said: Before the news last night, it was clear that Osama bin Laden was already losing. The "Arab Spring" of young Arabs and Muslims through nonviolent democratic movements has been a repudiation of bin Laden and his radical terrorist agenda. The death of Osama bin Laden could be a turning point in our ability to both resist evil and seek good, to turn away from the logic of both terrorism and war, and, as the Bible says, to find the things "that make for peace."

On what basis can this be said? The Muslim Brotherhood is rising to prominence in Egypt (as many of us expected it would), and the MB has today condemned the killing of OBL.

by: MikeSw

05-02-2011 @ 6:42pm

Jim Wallis said: Before the news last night, it was clear that Osama bin Laden was already losing. The "Arab Spring" of young Arabs and Muslims through nonviolent democratic movements has been a repudiation of bin Laden and his radical terrorist agenda. The death of Osama bin Laden could be a turning point in our ability to both resist evil and seek good, to turn away from the logic of both terrorism and war, and, as the Bible says, to find the things "that make for peace."

On what basis can this be said? The Muslim Brotherhood is rising to prominence in Egypt (as many of us expected it would), and the MB has today condemned the killing of OBL.