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Worship Songs for a New Generation: 'Hold On to Love'

1100517-holdontoloveMuch ink has been spilled about the so-called "love songs to Jesus" many of us sing week after week at church. Many writers have critiqued popular worship music's theological shallowness (or worse, incorrectness) and detachment from human experiences like doubt, pain, and suffering. Not to mention the almost complete lack of mission-or justice-related themes in most of the songs we sing at church.

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Several years ago, Brian McLaren waded into this issue by penning an open letter to worship leaders, which appeared in a number of Christian magazines, as well as on the Web. In it, McLaren -- who himself is a musician -- issued a request for "the songwriters among us to explore and then lead us into some new lyrical/spiritual territory." He maintains that too many of our songs are "embarrassingly personalistic, about Jesus and me." He goes on to suggest that worship music, if conducted thoughtfully, could actually lead spiritual communities into a more holistic theology that embraces spiritual realities beyond the individual self.

This is the spirit in which The Restoration Project (Tracy Wispelwey) is releasing its sixth album -- "Hold on to Love." Wispelwey, who, with McLaren, co-produced "Songs for a Revolution of Hope" in 2007, has produced an eclectic, powerful, and inspiring collection of songs that remain remarkably accessible. Eclectic in that every song is different: from the unmistakably upbeat, African stylings on "Amahoro," to the funky (Tracy calls it "electroacoustic"), R&B track "People Come Together," to the decidedly more somber and lamentful track, "Nazina." I don't disagree with Brian McLaren's assessment of the general sound conveyed on "Hold on to Love": "the musical love-child of Sarah McLachlan and Sigur Ros." Indeed, both Sigur Ros' slow, ambient build and McLachlan's hauntingly sweet vocals are easily traceable on the album's first track, "To See You."

The collection is powerful in its message of peace and solidarity with the world's poor and suffering. The Restoration Project lives up to its name as both announcing and participating in God's reparative work in the world and drawing in the voices and stories of numerous communities and individuals Wispelwey has met in her journeys. Often preferring to play her music to prisoners and refugees over the coffee house crowd, Wispelwey has weaved into her latest project the sounds of a number of the thousand or so communities she's visited in the last decade. Recorded in five U.S. states and South Africa, the international collaboration reveals itself throughout the instrumentation and deep into Wispelwey's song lyrics. Two of the tracks are sung fully or partially in Spanish. "People Come Together" is a triumphant, bluesy collaboration with a Portland R&B ensemble. A South African choir contributed vocals to the joyful "Amahoro," an East African greeting similar to "shalom." And the haunting "Nazina" speaks of a Burundian person who is named "nothing" (Nazina), referring to the country's often forgotten Batwa people. The album showcases the instrumental sounds of the sitar, saw, kalimba, marimba, bell and chimes, and piano, in addition to plenty of acoustic guitar and synthetic beats. In this way, "Hold on to Love" is like a satisfying tour of the world, minus the vaccination shots and food poisoning.

But in this reviewer's opinion, it's lyrically where Wispelwey's album soars. Simple, easily memorable words -- many of them based in the Beatitudes -- embody in substance everything McLaren and others have called for in recent years. It's no surprise, given that Wispelwey is currently completing a masters of divinity at Harvard, a degree she began pursuing to serve as a foundation for her life and ministry. But her biblical studies have only given theological meaning to what she's observed firsthand in her world travels: immigrant struggles along the U.S.-Mexico border, extreme poverty in sub-Saharan Africa, political strife in Central and South America, and incarcerated persons in prisons and detainment facilities. As much as anything, it is this identification with the suffering, the poor, the war-torn, the broken that drive and defines "Hold on to Love." "Call to Nonviolence" ends with a theologically robust refrain that one imagines could go on and on and on (and maybe it should):

We will draw our hands
From things that destroy
Systems that oppress
From our selfishness.

Wispelwey's themes of solidarity with the weak continue with some beautiful imagery in track 13, "Do Not Be Afraid":

Do not be afraid
To stand with the weak
You are strong in peace
A flower piercing concrete

Finally, "Hold on to Love" is accessible. The versatility and simplicity of the album make these songs ideal for singing in both everyday activities and in Christian gatherings (a digital songbook, complete with words and music, accompanies both the digital and physical album). The theological truths here -- though often countercultural even in religious circles -- are lifted directly from the Bible's red letters and infused with the stories of many of Wispelwey's friends from around the world.

Whether you are a part of a spiritual community seeking to expand your worship music catalog or simply a lover of music that inspires, this album will be a blessing and embolden you to join Tracy in "finding transformational love where things suck the most."

Steve Holt seeks joy and justice in East Boston, Massachusetts. Steve enjoys gardening, being a husband, community life, and writing. He blogs about spirituality and his garden at harvestboston.wordpress.com. Learn more about "Hold on to Love."

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by: RedDeacon

05-17-2011 @ 7:03pm

"We will draw our hands

From things that destroy

Systems that oppress

From our selfishness."
"We", "our" "our". I think they missed the point that Worship is about God. And only God. "Worthy-ship" because he is worthy. Pointing to him. Coming into his presence.
It's not about us and what we do or what we want to do.

by: stonecherub

05-18-2011 @ 5:15pm

Proof of a good and loving god rests in the music of Johann Sebastian Bach. Without his tunes, the Episcopal Hymnal would be a thin book indeed. Among those tunes is folk music and the work of other composers, accompaniment to our worship and the voice of god in my life.

by: bbuudd

05-18-2011 @ 6:00pm

I believe - and I believe it because our Book says it's so - that God hates solemn assemblies and offerings and the noise of our songs. What God wants is for justice to roll down like waters and righteousness to flow like a never-ending stream (or something like that).

Of course, that was way back then, when injustice was rampant - when the widows and orphans were oppressed, when the needy were trampled, the humble were done away with, the wealthy cheated the people, etc. Not like today ...

The words of the prophets should be echoing like thunder in the minds of those whose eyes see the same conditions all around us.

by: Sarah Pressly-James

05-18-2011 @ 6:12pm

Mr. Dill says, "let's fix our eyes solely upon God during worship...", the implication being that the kinds of songs and the worship Mr. Holt is suggesting are thus NOT fixing our eyes upon God. Do we thank God and lift praises to him WHEN WE DO HIS WORK??? Of course we do! These things cannot be disconnected - only we, the 20th century Christians, have that foolish idea that somehow they're separate. Jesus himself didn't - "Peter, do you love me?...Feed my lambs...tend my sheep..." He did NOT say, "Peter, do you love me? Build an altar...bring me sacrifices..." I'm only saying what the Bible says, more to the point, what Jesus COMMANDS. If we love Him, we will feed and protect each other, especially THE LEAST OF THESE. Nowhere in Matthew 25 does it say, "Come into the kingdom...for I was wanting worship, and you raised songs of praise to me...I needed to hear your voice, and you said 'You are Holy'..."

They are ENTWINED. When we do what Jesus says, WE ARE WORSHIPING. When we say, in our formal setting of worship time, Hey Jesus, here are some things we lift up TO BE DONE, that IS worship.

I commend to you Bryan Sirchio's "87 Times" at his website.
Sarah PJ

PS: Mr. Holt, please consider your position at this website and whether you believe the recent blocking of the homosexual-friendly ad was, in fact, how Jesus would tend His gay sheep. Then act accordingly.

by: samaritanity

05-18-2011 @ 6:02pm

My impression is that some of these comments are more soapboxing and semantic jiu-ji-tsu. Because unless I'm completely mistaken, the *premise* of the article was that the predominance of popular worship music was too individualistic/doe-eyed/vapid/unhelpfully self-negating in substance. With due respect, your appraisal of David's example is just as narrow. The point I took from carefully reading the article (and again, actually listening to the full album advertised) is that there is probably welcome space needed to expand that understanding in ways that would actually be that much more an honest focus on our relationship towards God and who God is. While David is certainly addressing the LORD throughout the Psalms, much of his time is spend in a spirit of barely pent-up rage, self-loathing, fed-up-ness (with God), doubts (about God), and saying some pretty hellacious things about the causes and deeds he wishes God would *take up* over his real and perceived enemies. Because, as Mr. Holt says in his comment, David is a fragile broken human too - and it's in feeling space to sing and cry out to God as such that he is awoken anew to how/where God is *in* that fragility/brokenness all along - which pivots the focus to the praise and worship that seems to be people's blindered takeaway from the rich Psalmic collection.

And, to reiterate a point from my previous comment, I believe we come into God's presence when we see God's work in the world and where God would have us - and we pray, praise and/or fall on our knees accordingly to weep (in joy or anguish). As Mr. Breeding says, we *do* need this - the questions raised by Mr. Holt and Brian McLaren just seem to be saying that if what we're doing is worshiping the blue sky and the front of the church, then the worship probably isn't as holistic as it could be - we might very well be missing out on devoting our "full attention" and praise (as you put it) to where God actually is.

In the end, we may continue to disagree on the actual dictionary definition of worship, but that really isn't the point of the article or the album. 'Hold On To Love' I don't believe is classified as a 'worship' album -- BUT, if you actually listen to it, and all of the lyrics in the context of the whole -- you'll find that the first three tracks are solely addressed to the God Who Is, as are many others - the rest is a call and response and testifying to who God is all over again. It's rich and worth revisiting, because it wrestles with the real - about God, about the world, and about the person and *people* doing the singing. To respond to Ms. Burdon, I reject the binary of 'vertical' and 'horizontal' communication because it's too limiting and dichotomizing of the expansive enveloping that our relationships to God and other are doing and places God 'out there' and 'over us'...when by grace we know who God is for us and who God is period through the love made known "horizontally" in Jesus.

by: Cliff

05-18-2011 @ 6:35pm

I don't believe it's either/or, but both/and. To paraphrase Jesus, "You should have practiced the former without neglecting the latter."

by: Cliff

05-18-2011 @ 6:35pm

I don't believe it's either/or, but both/and. To paraphrase Jesus, "You should have practiced the former without neglecting the latter."

by: tinkouse

05-18-2011 @ 6:58pm

There was a time when the very idea of God was so overwhelming that the word/name could not be spoken (or sung). Nevertheless, peace and compassion are a worthy ways putting worship into practice, and songs reflecting the practice are excellent expressions of our commitment to these ideas. I have heard that "music is the language of the soul" in its ability to touch the deepest parts of the human psyche. Songs such as these connect us deeply and in ways that differ from spoken or written worship. Just remember the songs of the Civil Rights era....

by: revtk

05-18-2011 @ 7:07pm

There is a great diversity in the way we understand and practice "worship". I am glad your particular praise and adoration tradition has meaning for you but "worship" cannot be limited to the definitions you have imposed. The gospel is a "living word" a living voice, and in the long tradition of many churches, preaching is an essential component of worship. For some it is the central component for the Word has creative power to transform lives and transcend the small realities we falsely give ultimate importance. That "Word" can be sung, it can be spoken, preached, eaten, splashed, and shared among the community. To deny a "horizontal" component in worship is to deny the reality of the Spirit present among us. God is no longer "out there" but is intimately present with us, inside us. Christ enables us to see one another truly as sisters and brothers.

The ancient model for worship follows a four-fold pattern of Gathering, Word, Meal, and Sending. Indeed all of our life is a form of worship, a way of giving glory to God. Worship, at the most fundamental level, is any act or attitude that demonstrates devotion to that which you name as "God". You can worship God with song, with prayer, with daily work, with speech, with eating and drinking, and indeed with everything that we are. I believe this "depth" of worship is what the article is originally seeking.

by: Elizabeth Rushing

05-22-2011 @ 7:56am

I agree with those posting that worship music is "vertical" - our praise and recognition of God. I also feel that Christianity, by its very nature, is experiential as well as relational. So music about our love for God, and His love for us flows from that naturally. "Social justice" themes, or songs about how we should act in the world have value, but are not worship. Maybe what's needed is more balance.I too, was a long time church music snob, sneering at praise and worship music. My view changed when I realized I wouldn't have the same lack of respect for similar music from other cultures. People will gravitate to churches that match their worship "style." Judging the way someone else worships? That seems shallow to me.

by: Kementari

05-19-2011 @ 10:46pm

What, no Jon Anderson? ;) Please tell me the album's named after his fabulous song.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwUB69fWPMg&feature=related

by: PASTOR JEFF

05-18-2011 @ 10:05pm

Are not our lives, in their entirety, worship? No addresses to others in the Psalms? You might want to reread.

by: Steve Holt

05-17-2011 @ 7:59pm

I disagree. What is worship if it isn't, at its core, calling the people
of God back to the ways of God? Your assessment is precisely the
problem with much of what we sing in church. Our songs are so
"otherworldly" that we are lost in them, forgetting that those singing
are actually fragile containers living in a fragile, broken world. The album is also a critique of the notion that "worship music" be sung primarily in church. Shouldn't these songs be on our lips even more as we're out in the world actually doing stuff? What kind of world might we join God in creating if that were the case? Read the prophets. Amos is a good place to start. God had some things to say to the religious folk who were great at worshipping in the Synagogue but terrible at rejecting the "things that destroy, systems that oppress, ... selfishness." We'd do well to take heed.

by: SamHamilton

05-18-2011 @ 2:00am

I agree with Holt in his diagnosis of so much of contemporary praise and worship music. It's just not very good. I much prefer the songs that have stood the test of time and endured. Quality endures; poorly written songs fade away. If Hold On To Love is as good as Holt says it is, people will still be singing these songs 50 years from now.

by: BAFox

05-20-2011 @ 2:21am

Worship is often seen as us "just praising the Lord." Often this can be reduced to a "works" mentality of what we have to do to win God's approval, rather than being a response to God. "We love God, because God showed us Love first." Songs sung by the Christian community celebrate all aspects of God's (and our) relationship with Creation.

Examples of composers who embody this well, and are based largely on actual scriptures, would be David Haas (e.g. "Share your bread with the hungry") and Marty Haugen ("The Magnificat"). Preview their works at http://www.giamusic.com/sacred... (put their names in the search box) and you will be amazed at the breadth of scripture based songs that are out there and could well enrich the worship of the church.

by: PASTOR JEFF

05-18-2011 @ 10:05pm

Are not our lives, in their entirety, worship? No addresses to others in the Psalms? You might want to reread.

by: tinkouse

05-18-2011 @ 6:58pm

There was a time when the very idea of God was so overwhelming that the word/name could not be spoken (or sung). Nevertheless, peace and compassion are a worthy ways putting worship into practice, and songs reflecting the practice are excellent expressions of our commitment to these ideas. I have heard that "music is the language of the soul" in its ability to touch the deepest parts of the human psyche. Songs such as these connect us deeply and in ways that differ from spoken or written worship. Just remember the songs of the Civil Rights era....

by: Kementari

05-19-2011 @ 10:46pm

What, no Jon Anderson? ;) Please tell me the album's named after his fabulous song.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwUB69fWPMg&feature=related

by: Samaritanity

05-17-2011 @ 8:48pm

I second Mr. Holt - the whole thesis of the review/article was that we need to rethink what constitutes 'worship' and nowhere is that word used in regards to 'Hold On To Love' - though the album, like the article says, is certainly anthemic and easily 'communal' in its musical appeal.

I would add with that it's probably wise to reserve judgment on whether an album's songs are 'about God' (or overtly needs to be to be a 'worthy,' Spirit-filled artistic endeavor) until one has actually heard the full body of work. I downloaded 'Hold On To Love' and am beyond moved and impressed already at the *honest* hope, wrestling, lament, anguish, peace, yearning, and yes, praise that I find on there. It's like if the Psalters did an album based out of the Beatitudes, flavored with stories of the myriad people God cares for here and now. Downloading it also came with a wonderfully detailed PDF/songbook/lyric sheet that unpacks at length the theological themes and motivations behind the project.

Finally, in thinking about worship differently - if to worship God is to know God and come into God's presence, then Jesus very overtly says we do this in response to the claims that presence puts on us - joyfully and sacrificially feeding, clothing, visiting and more. In this, Jesus says, do we *know* him and not just *come into* his presence, but actually *embody* it. I don't see what's more worshipful than that. This album inspires and challenges me already to think anew about the role songs can have in community - inside 'church' doors...but especially outside. There are anthems and chants here that, if sung aloud and together, would very much point toward the 'dreams of God' (to paraphrase Desmond Tutu and the album's notes) while marching and walking.

So, all of these things are 'about God'...or otherwise God is not God. And if "worship" is going to be defined down as banal superlative-laden, theologically vapid praise music that only works with the pews facing forward, then I'm glad this album is not that.

That being said, I'm already shouting along to 'Do Not Be Afraid' and crying out to Jesus on 'Hunger and Thirst'...and though I don't understand all of the words yet, humming along to 'Su Gran Amor' longing and loving refrain. But I know enough Spanish to know who it's *about*

I guess this is a pretty big plug at this point, but the first place to start in expanding our ideas of worship would be to actually download and listen to the (whole) album.

by: dlowen

05-17-2011 @ 8:00pm

I love the second song:

We follow the Reconciler
We bear His name and give you what he gave to us
Peace maker and healer
Jesus taught us and leads us in the world now
Peace

by: Brian Breeding

05-18-2011 @ 3:17pm

Two cents. God doesn't need our worship. God doesn't bask in our praise like a dog in a warm sunbeam. We need worship. We need to experience the presence of the "mystery" and be reminded of our responsibilities.

Simple.

by: revtk

05-18-2011 @ 7:07pm

There is a great diversity in the way we understand and practice "worship". I am glad your particular praise and adoration tradition has meaning for you but "worship" cannot be limited to the definitions you have imposed. The gospel is a "living word" a living voice, and in the long tradition of many churches, preaching is an essential component of worship. For some it is the central component for the Word has creative power to transform lives and transcend the small realities we falsely give ultimate importance. That "Word" can be sung, it can be spoken, preached, eaten, splashed, and shared among the community. To deny a "horizontal" component in worship is to deny the reality of the Spirit present among us. God is no longer "out there" but is intimately present with us, inside us. Christ enables us to see one another truly as sisters and brothers.

The ancient model for worship follows a four-fold pattern of Gathering, Word, Meal, and Sending. Indeed all of our life is a form of worship, a way of giving glory to God. Worship, at the most fundamental level, is any act or attitude that demonstrates devotion to that which you name as "God". You can worship God with song, with prayer, with daily work, with speech, with eating and drinking, and indeed with everything that we are. I believe this "depth" of worship is what the article is originally seeking.

by: BAFox

05-20-2011 @ 2:21am

Worship is often seen as us "just praising the Lord." Often this can be reduced to a "works" mentality of what we have to do to win God's approval, rather than being a response to God. "We love God, because God showed us Love first." Songs sung by the Christian community celebrate all aspects of God's (and our) relationship with Creation.

Examples of composers who embody this well, and are based largely on actual scriptures, would be David Haas (e.g. "Share your bread with the hungry") and Marty Haugen ("The Magnificat"). Preview their works at http://www.giamusic.com/sacred... (put their names in the search box) and you will be amazed at the breadth of scripture based songs that are out there and could well enrich the worship of the church.

by: Elizabeth Rushing

05-22-2011 @ 7:56am

I agree with those posting that worship music is "vertical" - our praise and recognition of God. I also feel that Christianity, by its very nature, is experiential as well as relational. So music about our love for God, and His love for us flows from that naturally. "Social justice" themes, or songs about how we should act in the world have value, but are not worship. Maybe what's needed is more balance.I too, was a long time church music snob, sneering at praise and worship music. My view changed when I realized I wouldn't have the same lack of respect for similar music from other cultures. People will gravitate to churches that match their worship "style." Judging the way someone else worships? That seems shallow to me.

by: sethdub

05-17-2011 @ 8:55pm

I second Mr. Holt - the whole thesis of the review/article was that we
need to rethink what constitutes 'worship' and nowhere is that word used
in regards to 'Hold On To Love' - though the album, like the article
says, is certainly anthemic and easily 'communal' in its musical appeal.

I
would add with that it's probably wise to reserve judgment on whether
an album's songs are 'about God' (or overtly needs to be to be a
'worthy,' Spirit-filled artistic endeavor) until one has actually heard
the full body of work. I downloaded 'Hold On To Love' and am beyond
moved and impressed already at the *honest* hope, wrestling, lament,
anguish, peace, yearning, and yes, praise that I find on there. It's
like if the Psalters did an album based out of the Beatitudes, flavored
with stories of the myriad people God cares for here and now.
Downloading it also came with a wonderfully detailed PDF/songbook/lyric
sheet that unpacks at length the theological themes and motivations
behind the project.

Finally, in thinking about worship differently - if to worship God is to
know God and come into God's presence, then Jesus very overtly says we
do this in response to the claims that presence puts on us - joyfully
and sacrificially feeding, clothing, visiting and more. In this, Jesus
says, do we *know* him and not just *come into* his presence, but
actually *embody* it. I don't see what's more worshipful than that.
This album inspires and challenges me already to think anew about the
role songs can have in community - inside 'church' doors...but
especially outside. There are anthems and chants here that, if sung
aloud and together, would very much point toward the 'dreams of God' (to
paraphrase Desmond Tutu and the album's notes) while marching and
walking.

So, all of these things are 'about God'...or otherwise God is not God.
And if "worship" is going to be defined down as banal superlative-laden,
theologically vapid praise music that only works with the pews facing
forward, then I'm glad this album is not that.

That being said, I'm already shouting along to 'Do Not Be Afraid' and
crying out to Jesus on 'Hunger and Thirst'...and though I don't
understand all of the words yet, humming along to 'Su Gran Amor' longing
and loving refrain. But I know enough Spanish to know who it's *about*

The first place to
start in expanding our ideas of worship would be to actually download
and listen to the (whole) album.

by: RedDeacon

05-17-2011 @ 7:03pm

"We will draw our hands

From things that destroy

Systems that oppress

From our selfishness."
"We", "our" "our". I think they missed the point that Worship is about God. And only God. "Worthy-ship" because he is worthy. Pointing to him. Coming into his presence.
It's not about us and what we do or what we want to do.

by: Steve Holt

05-17-2011 @ 7:59pm

I disagree. What is worship if it isn't, at its core, calling the people
of God back to the ways of God? Your assessment is precisely the
problem with much of what we sing in church. Our songs are so
"otherworldly" that we are lost in them, forgetting that those singing
are actually fragile containers living in a fragile, broken world. The album is also a critique of the notion that "worship music" be sung primarily in church. Shouldn't these songs be on our lips even more as we're out in the world actually doing stuff? What kind of world might we join God in creating if that were the case? Read the prophets. Amos is a good place to start. God had some things to say to the religious folk who were great at worshipping in the Synagogue but terrible at rejecting the "things that destroy, systems that oppress, ... selfishness." We'd do well to take heed.

by: Samaritanity

05-17-2011 @ 8:48pm

I second Mr. Holt - the whole thesis of the review/article was that we need to rethink what constitutes 'worship' and nowhere is that word used in regards to 'Hold On To Love' - though the album, like the article says, is certainly anthemic and easily 'communal' in its musical appeal.

I would add with that it's probably wise to reserve judgment on whether an album's songs are 'about God' (or overtly needs to be to be a 'worthy,' Spirit-filled artistic endeavor) until one has actually heard the full body of work. I downloaded 'Hold On To Love' and am beyond moved and impressed already at the *honest* hope, wrestling, lament, anguish, peace, yearning, and yes, praise that I find on there. It's like if the Psalters did an album based out of the Beatitudes, flavored with stories of the myriad people God cares for here and now. Downloading it also came with a wonderfully detailed PDF/songbook/lyric sheet that unpacks at length the theological themes and motivations behind the project.

Finally, in thinking about worship differently - if to worship God is to know God and come into God's presence, then Jesus very overtly says we do this in response to the claims that presence puts on us - joyfully and sacrificially feeding, clothing, visiting and more. In this, Jesus says, do we *know* him and not just *come into* his presence, but actually *embody* it. I don't see what's more worshipful than that. This album inspires and challenges me already to think anew about the role songs can have in community - inside 'church' doors...but especially outside. There are anthems and chants here that, if sung aloud and together, would very much point toward the 'dreams of God' (to paraphrase Desmond Tutu and the album's notes) while marching and walking.

So, all of these things are 'about God'...or otherwise God is not God. And if "worship" is going to be defined down as banal superlative-laden, theologically vapid praise music that only works with the pews facing forward, then I'm glad this album is not that.

That being said, I'm already shouting along to 'Do Not Be Afraid' and crying out to Jesus on 'Hunger and Thirst'...and though I don't understand all of the words yet, humming along to 'Su Gran Amor' longing and loving refrain. But I know enough Spanish to know who it's *about*

I guess this is a pretty big plug at this point, but the first place to start in expanding our ideas of worship would be to actually download and listen to the (whole) album.

by: dlowen

05-17-2011 @ 8:00pm

I love the second song:

We follow the Reconciler
We bear His name and give you what he gave to us
Peace maker and healer
Jesus taught us and leads us in the world now
Peace

by: sethdub

05-17-2011 @ 8:55pm

I second Mr. Holt - the whole thesis of the review/article was that we
need to rethink what constitutes 'worship' and nowhere is that word used
in regards to 'Hold On To Love' - though the album, like the article
says, is certainly anthemic and easily 'communal' in its musical appeal.

I
would add with that it's probably wise to reserve judgment on whether
an album's songs are 'about God' (or overtly needs to be to be a
'worthy,' Spirit-filled artistic endeavor) until one has actually heard
the full body of work. I downloaded 'Hold On To Love' and am beyond
moved and impressed already at the *honest* hope, wrestling, lament,
anguish, peace, yearning, and yes, praise that I find on there. It's
like if the Psalters did an album based out of the Beatitudes, flavored
with stories of the myriad people God cares for here and now.
Downloading it also came with a wonderfully detailed PDF/songbook/lyric
sheet that unpacks at length the theological themes and motivations
behind the project.

Finally, in thinking about worship differently - if to worship God is to
know God and come into God's presence, then Jesus very overtly says we
do this in response to the claims that presence puts on us - joyfully
and sacrificially feeding, clothing, visiting and more. In this, Jesus
says, do we *know* him and not just *come into* his presence, but
actually *embody* it. I don't see what's more worshipful than that.
This album inspires and challenges me already to think anew about the
role songs can have in community - inside 'church' doors...but
especially outside. There are anthems and chants here that, if sung
aloud and together, would very much point toward the 'dreams of God' (to
paraphrase Desmond Tutu and the album's notes) while marching and
walking.

So, all of these things are 'about God'...or otherwise God is not God.
And if "worship" is going to be defined down as banal superlative-laden,
theologically vapid praise music that only works with the pews facing
forward, then I'm glad this album is not that.

That being said, I'm already shouting along to 'Do Not Be Afraid' and
crying out to Jesus on 'Hunger and Thirst'...and though I don't
understand all of the words yet, humming along to 'Su Gran Amor' longing
and loving refrain. But I know enough Spanish to know who it's *about*

The first place to
start in expanding our ideas of worship would be to actually download
and listen to the (whole) album.

by: stonecherub

05-18-2011 @ 5:15pm

Proof of a good and loving god rests in the music of Johann Sebastian Bach. Without his tunes, the Episcopal Hymnal would be a thin book indeed. Among those tunes is folk music and the work of other composers, accompaniment to our worship and the voice of god in my life.

by: bbuudd

05-18-2011 @ 6:00pm

I believe - and I believe it because our Book says it's so - that God hates solemn assemblies and offerings and the noise of our songs. What God wants is for justice to roll down like waters and righteousness to flow like a never-ending stream (or something like that).

Of course, that was way back then, when injustice was rampant - when the widows and orphans were oppressed, when the needy were trampled, the humble were done away with, the wealthy cheated the people, etc. Not like today ...

The words of the prophets should be echoing like thunder in the minds of those whose eyes see the same conditions all around us.

by: SamHamilton

05-18-2011 @ 2:00am

I agree with Holt in his diagnosis of so much of contemporary praise and worship music. It's just not very good. I much prefer the songs that have stood the test of time and endured. Quality endures; poorly written songs fade away. If Hold On To Love is as good as Holt says it is, people will still be singing these songs 50 years from now.

by: Marion Burdon

05-18-2011 @ 9:11am

worship is prayer and praise and adoration [I know some are uncomfortable with being that expressive] in song and spoken word *to God*...? i.e. corporate and singular 'vertical' communication
it seems some above are describing preaching, exhortation, challenge *to one another* ...corporate horizontal communication..that is not worship...do that in speech, in preaching, by all means..it is needed - but it is not worship...it's nearly as bad as those 'prayers' that preach a sermon to the listeners
see the Psalms [are they 'old' enough for some critics of 'modern'? ;] i..e. David and others address God, not other people..

I would say let us "find out what pleases the Lord" regarding sung worship - and He may not be so critical as many of us - as He is a Father who appreciates a childlike spirit, and the Father seeks those who worship in Spirit and in Truth.

by: Sarah Pressly-James

05-18-2011 @ 6:12pm

Mr. Dill says, "let's fix our eyes solely upon God during worship...", the implication being that the kinds of songs and the worship Mr. Holt is suggesting are thus NOT fixing our eyes upon God. Do we thank God and lift praises to him WHEN WE DO HIS WORK??? Of course we do! These things cannot be disconnected - only we, the 20th century Christians, have that foolish idea that somehow they're separate. Jesus himself didn't - "Peter, do you love me?...Feed my lambs...tend my sheep..." He did NOT say, "Peter, do you love me? Build an altar...bring me sacrifices..." I'm only saying what the Bible says, more to the point, what Jesus COMMANDS. If we love Him, we will feed and protect each other, especially THE LEAST OF THESE. Nowhere in Matthew 25 does it say, "Come into the kingdom...for I was wanting worship, and you raised songs of praise to me...I needed to hear your voice, and you said 'You are Holy'..."

They are ENTWINED. When we do what Jesus says, WE ARE WORSHIPING. When we say, in our formal setting of worship time, Hey Jesus, here are some things we lift up TO BE DONE, that IS worship.

I commend to you Bryan Sirchio's "87 Times" at his website.
Sarah PJ

PS: Mr. Holt, please consider your position at this website and whether you believe the recent blocking of the homosexual-friendly ad was, in fact, how Jesus would tend His gay sheep. Then act accordingly.

by: samaritanity

05-18-2011 @ 6:02pm

My impression is that some of these comments are more soapboxing and semantic jiu-ji-tsu. Because unless I'm completely mistaken, the *premise* of the article was that the predominance of popular worship music was too individualistic/doe-eyed/vapid/unhelpfully self-negating in substance. With due respect, your appraisal of David's example is just as narrow. The point I took from carefully reading the article (and again, actually listening to the full album advertised) is that there is probably welcome space needed to expand that understanding in ways that would actually be that much more an honest focus on our relationship towards God and who God is. While David is certainly addressing the LORD throughout the Psalms, much of his time is spend in a spirit of barely pent-up rage, self-loathing, fed-up-ness (with God), doubts (about God), and saying some pretty hellacious things about the causes and deeds he wishes God would *take up* over his real and perceived enemies. Because, as Mr. Holt says in his comment, David is a fragile broken human too - and it's in feeling space to sing and cry out to God as such that he is awoken anew to how/where God is *in* that fragility/brokenness all along - which pivots the focus to the praise and worship that seems to be people's blindered takeaway from the rich Psalmic collection.

And, to reiterate a point from my previous comment, I believe we come into God's presence when we see God's work in the world and where God would have us - and we pray, praise and/or fall on our knees accordingly to weep (in joy or anguish). As Mr. Breeding says, we *do* need this - the questions raised by Mr. Holt and Brian McLaren just seem to be saying that if what we're doing is worshiping the blue sky and the front of the church, then the worship probably isn't as holistic as it could be - we might very well be missing out on devoting our "full attention" and praise (as you put it) to where God actually is.

In the end, we may continue to disagree on the actual dictionary definition of worship, but that really isn't the point of the article or the album. 'Hold On To Love' I don't believe is classified as a 'worship' album -- BUT, if you actually listen to it, and all of the lyrics in the context of the whole -- you'll find that the first three tracks are solely addressed to the God Who Is, as are many others - the rest is a call and response and testifying to who God is all over again. It's rich and worth revisiting, because it wrestles with the real - about God, about the world, and about the person and *people* doing the singing. To respond to Ms. Burdon, I reject the binary of 'vertical' and 'horizontal' communication because it's too limiting and dichotomizing of the expansive enveloping that our relationships to God and other are doing and places God 'out there' and 'over us'...when by grace we know who God is for us and who God is period through the love made known "horizontally" in Jesus.

by: Marion Burdon

05-18-2011 @ 9:11am

worship is prayer and praise and adoration [I know some are uncomfortable with being that expressive] in song and spoken word *to God*...? i.e. corporate and singular 'vertical' communication
it seems some above are describing preaching, exhortation, challenge *to one another* ...corporate horizontal communication..that is not worship...do that in speech, in preaching, by all means..it is needed - but it is not worship...it's nearly as bad as those 'prayers' that preach a sermon to the listeners
see the Psalms [are they 'old' enough for some critics of 'modern'? ;] i..e. David and others address God, not other people..

I would say let us "find out what pleases the Lord" regarding sung worship - and He may not be so critical as many of us - as He is a Father who appreciates a childlike spirit, and the Father seeks those who worship in Spirit and in Truth.

by: Greg Dill

05-18-2011 @ 9:45am

I totally agree with RedDeacon and disagree with the premise of this article. Worship is and has always been about lifting up our praises to God. God is our audience and only He is worthy of our full attention and praise. Worship is not some musical mini-sermon about taking up causes, actions, deeds, and what we should or should not be doing. If it is, then the object of our worship has changed. Thus, social justice, taking up causes, and such essentially become idols.

Let's fix our eyes upon God during worship, and let what we do with our lives stay within the confines of holy and sanctified living.

by: Brian Breeding

05-18-2011 @ 3:17pm

Two cents. God doesn't need our worship. God doesn't bask in our praise like a dog in a warm sunbeam. We need worship. We need to experience the presence of the "mystery" and be reminded of our responsibilities.

Simple.

by: Greg Dill

05-18-2011 @ 9:45am

I totally agree with RedDeacon and disagree with the premise of this article. Worship is and has always been about lifting up our praises to God. God is our audience and only He is worthy of our full attention and praise. Worship is not some musical mini-sermon about taking up causes, actions, deeds, and what we should or should not be doing. If it is, then the object of our worship has changed. Thus, social justice, taking up causes, and such essentially become idols.

Let's fix our eyes upon God during worship, and let what we do with our lives stay within the confines of holy and sanctified living.

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by: RedDeacon

05-17-2011 @ 7:03pm

"We will draw our hands

From things that destroy

Systems that oppress

From our selfishness."
"We", "our" "our". I think they missed the point that Worship is about God. And only God. "Worthy-ship" because he is worthy. Pointing to him. Coming into his presence.
It's not about us and what we do or what we want to do.

by: RedDeacon

05-17-2011 @ 7:03pm

"We will draw our hands

From things that destroy

Systems that oppress

From our selfishness."
"We", "our" "our". I think they missed the point that Worship is about God. And only God. "Worthy-ship" because he is worthy. Pointing to him. Coming into his presence.
It's not about us and what we do or what we want to do.

by: Steve Holt

05-17-2011 @ 7:59pm

I disagree. What is worship if it isn't, at its core, calling the people
of God back to the ways of God? Your assessment is precisely the
problem with much of what we sing in church. Our songs are so
"otherworldly" that we are lost in them, forgetting that those singing
are actually fragile containers living in a fragile, broken world. The album is also a critique of the notion that "worship music" be sung primarily in church. Shouldn't these songs be on our lips even more as we're out in the world actually doing stuff? What kind of world might we join God in creating if that were the case? Read the prophets. Amos is a good place to start. God had some things to say to the religious folk who were great at worshipping in the Synagogue but terrible at rejecting the "things that destroy, systems that oppress, ... selfishness." We'd do well to take heed.

by: Steve Holt

05-17-2011 @ 7:59pm

I disagree. What is worship if it isn't, at its core, calling the people
of God back to the ways of God? Your assessment is precisely the
problem with much of what we sing in church. Our songs are so
"otherworldly" that we are lost in them, forgetting that those singing
are actually fragile containers living in a fragile, broken world. The album is also a critique of the notion that "worship music" be sung primarily in church. Shouldn't these songs be on our lips even more as we're out in the world actually doing stuff? What kind of world might we join God in creating if that were the case? Read the prophets. Amos is a good place to start. God had some things to say to the religious folk who were great at worshipping in the Synagogue but terrible at rejecting the "things that destroy, systems that oppress, ... selfishness." We'd do well to take heed.

by: dlowen

05-17-2011 @ 8:00pm

I love the second song:

We follow the Reconciler
We bear His name and give you what he gave to us
Peace maker and healer
Jesus taught us and leads us in the world now
Peace

by: dlowen

05-17-2011 @ 8:00pm

I love the second song:

We follow the Reconciler
We bear His name and give you what he gave to us
Peace maker and healer
Jesus taught us and leads us in the world now
Peace

by: Samaritanity

05-17-2011 @ 8:48pm

I second Mr. Holt - the whole thesis of the review/article was that we need to rethink what constitutes 'worship' and nowhere is that word used in regards to 'Hold On To Love' - though the album, like the article says, is certainly anthemic and easily 'communal' in its musical appeal.

I would add with that it's probably wise to reserve judgment on whether an album's songs are 'about God' (or overtly needs to be to be a 'worthy,' Spirit-filled artistic endeavor) until one has actually heard the full body of work. I downloaded 'Hold On To Love' and am beyond moved and impressed already at the *honest* hope, wrestling, lament, anguish, peace, yearning, and yes, praise that I find on there. It's like if the Psalters did an album based out of the Beatitudes, flavored with stories of the myriad people God cares for here and now. Downloading it also came with a wonderfully detailed PDF/songbook/lyric sheet that unpacks at length the theological themes and motivations behind the project.

Finally, in thinking about worship differently - if to worship God is to know God and come into God's presence, then Jesus very overtly says we do this in response to the claims that presence puts on us - joyfully and sacrificially feeding, clothing, visiting and more. In this, Jesus says, do we *know* him and not just *come into* his presence, but actually *embody* it. I don't see what's more worshipful than that. This album inspires and challenges me already to think anew about the role songs can have in community - inside 'church' doors...but especially outside. There are anthems and chants here that, if sung aloud and together, would very much point toward the 'dreams of God' (to paraphrase Desmond Tutu and the album's notes) while marching and walking.

So, all of these things are 'about God'...or otherwise God is not God. And if "worship" is going to be defined down as banal superlative-laden, theologically vapid praise music that only works with the pews facing forward, then I'm glad this album is not that.

That being said, I'm already shouting along to 'Do Not Be Afraid' and crying out to Jesus on 'Hunger and Thirst'...and though I don't understand all of the words yet, humming along to 'Su Gran Amor' longing and loving refrain. But I know enough Spanish to know who it's *about*

I guess this is a pretty big plug at this point, but the first place to start in expanding our ideas of worship would be to actually download and listen to the (whole) album.

by: Samaritanity

05-17-2011 @ 8:48pm

I second Mr. Holt - the whole thesis of the review/article was that we need to rethink what constitutes 'worship' and nowhere is that word used in regards to 'Hold On To Love' - though the album, like the article says, is certainly anthemic and easily 'communal' in its musical appeal.

I would add with that it's probably wise to reserve judgment on whether an album's songs are 'about God' (or overtly needs to be to be a 'worthy,' Spirit-filled artistic endeavor) until one has actually heard the full body of work. I downloaded 'Hold On To Love' and am beyond moved and impressed already at the *honest* hope, wrestling, lament, anguish, peace, yearning, and yes, praise that I find on there. It's like if the Psalters did an album based out of the Beatitudes, flavored with stories of the myriad people God cares for here and now. Downloading it also came with a wonderfully detailed PDF/songbook/lyric sheet that unpacks at length the theological themes and motivations behind the project.

Finally, in thinking about worship differently - if to worship God is to know God and come into God's presence, then Jesus very overtly says we do this in response to the claims that presence puts on us - joyfully and sacrificially feeding, clothing, visiting and more. In this, Jesus says, do we *know* him and not just *come into* his presence, but actually *embody* it. I don't see what's more worshipful than that. This album inspires and challenges me already to think anew about the role songs can have in community - inside 'church' doors...but especially outside. There are anthems and chants here that, if sung aloud and together, would very much point toward the 'dreams of God' (to paraphrase Desmond Tutu and the album's notes) while marching and walking.

So, all of these things are 'about God'...or otherwise God is not God. And if "worship" is going to be defined down as banal superlative-laden, theologically vapid praise music that only works with the pews facing forward, then I'm glad this album is not that.

That being said, I'm already shouting along to 'Do Not Be Afraid' and crying out to Jesus on 'Hunger and Thirst'...and though I don't understand all of the words yet, humming along to 'Su Gran Amor' longing and loving refrain. But I know enough Spanish to know who it's *about*

I guess this is a pretty big plug at this point, but the first place to start in expanding our ideas of worship would be to actually download and listen to the (whole) album.

by: sethdub

05-17-2011 @ 8:55pm

I second Mr. Holt - the whole thesis of the review/article was that we
need to rethink what constitutes 'worship' and nowhere is that word used
in regards to 'Hold On To Love' - though the album, like the article
says, is certainly anthemic and easily 'communal' in its musical appeal.

I
would add with that it's probably wise to reserve judgment on whether
an album's songs are 'about God' (or overtly needs to be to be a
'worthy,' Spirit-filled artistic endeavor) until one has actually heard
the full body of work. I downloaded 'Hold On To Love' and am beyond
moved and impressed already at the *honest* hope, wrestling, lament,
anguish, peace, yearning, and yes, praise that I find on there. It's
like if the Psalters did an album based out of the Beatitudes, flavored
with stories of the myriad people God cares for here and now.
Downloading it also came with a wonderfully detailed PDF/songbook/lyric
sheet that unpacks at length the theological themes and motivations
behind the project.

Finally, in thinking about worship differently - if to worship God is to
know God and come into God's presence, then Jesus very overtly says we
do this in response to the claims that presence puts on us - joyfully
and sacrificially feeding, clothing, visiting and more. In this, Jesus
says, do we *know* him and not just *come into* his presence, but
actually *embody* it. I don't see what's more worshipful than that.
This album inspires and challenges me already to think anew about the
role songs can have in community - inside 'church' doors...but
especially outside. There are anthems and chants here that, if sung
aloud and together, would very much point toward the 'dreams of God' (to
paraphrase Desmond Tutu and the album's notes) while marching and
walking.

So, all of these things are 'about God'...or otherwise God is not God.
And if "worship" is going to be defined down as banal superlative-laden,
theologically vapid praise music that only works with the pews facing
forward, then I'm glad this album is not that.

That being said, I'm already shouting along to 'Do Not Be Afraid' and
crying out to Jesus on 'Hunger and Thirst'...and though I don't
understand all of the words yet, humming along to 'Su Gran Amor' longing
and loving refrain. But I know enough Spanish to know who it's *about*

The first place to
start in expanding our ideas of worship would be to actually download
and listen to the (whole) album.

by: sethdub

05-17-2011 @ 8:55pm

I second Mr. Holt - the whole thesis of the review/article was that we
need to rethink what constitutes 'worship' and nowhere is that word used
in regards to 'Hold On To Love' - though the album, like the article
says, is certainly anthemic and easily 'communal' in its musical appeal.

I
would add with that it's probably wise to reserve judgment on whether
an album's songs are 'about God' (or overtly needs to be to be a
'worthy,' Spirit-filled artistic endeavor) until one has actually heard
the full body of work. I downloaded 'Hold On To Love' and am beyond
moved and impressed already at the *honest* hope, wrestling, lament,
anguish, peace, yearning, and yes, praise that I find on there. It's
like if the Psalters did an album based out of the Beatitudes, flavored
with stories of the myriad people God cares for here and now.
Downloading it also came with a wonderfully detailed PDF/songbook/lyric
sheet that unpacks at length the theological themes and motivations
behind the project.

Finally, in thinking about worship differently - if to worship God is to
know God and come into God's presence, then Jesus very overtly says we
do this in response to the claims that presence puts on us - joyfully
and sacrificially feeding, clothing, visiting and more. In this, Jesus
says, do we *know* him and not just *come into* his presence, but
actually *embody* it. I don't see what's more worshipful than that.
This album inspires and challenges me already to think anew about the
role songs can have in community - inside 'church' doors...but
especially outside. There are anthems and chants here that, if sung
aloud and together, would very much point toward the 'dreams of God' (to
paraphrase Desmond Tutu and the album's notes) while marching and
walking.

So, all of these things are 'about God'...or otherwise God is not God.
And if "worship" is going to be defined down as banal superlative-laden,
theologically vapid praise music that only works with the pews facing
forward, then I'm glad this album is not that.

That being said, I'm already shouting along to 'Do Not Be Afraid' and
crying out to Jesus on 'Hunger and Thirst'...and though I don't
understand all of the words yet, humming along to 'Su Gran Amor' longing
and loving refrain. But I know enough Spanish to know who it's *about*

The first place to
start in expanding our ideas of worship would be to actually download
and listen to the (whole) album.

by: SamHamilton

05-18-2011 @ 2:00am

I agree with Holt in his diagnosis of so much of contemporary praise and worship music. It's just not very good. I much prefer the songs that have stood the test of time and endured. Quality endures; poorly written songs fade away. If Hold On To Love is as good as Holt says it is, people will still be singing these songs 50 years from now.

by: SamHamilton

05-18-2011 @ 2:00am

I agree with Holt in his diagnosis of so much of contemporary praise and worship music. It's just not very good. I much prefer the songs that have stood the test of time and endured. Quality endures; poorly written songs fade away. If Hold On To Love is as good as Holt says it is, people will still be singing these songs 50 years from now.

by: Marion Burdon

05-18-2011 @ 9:11am

worship is prayer and praise and adoration [I know some are uncomfortable with being that expressive] in song and spoken word *to God*...? i.e. corporate and singular 'vertical' communication
it seems some above are describing preaching, exhortation, challenge *to one another* ...corporate horizontal communication..that is not worship...do that in speech, in preaching, by all means..it is needed - but it is not worship...it's nearly as bad as those 'prayers' that preach a sermon to the listeners
see the Psalms [are they 'old' enough for some critics of 'modern'? ;] i..e. David and others address God, not other people..

I would say let us "find out what pleases the Lord" regarding sung worship - and He may not be so critical as many of us - as He is a Father who appreciates a childlike spirit, and the Father seeks those who worship in Spirit and in Truth.

by: Marion Burdon

05-18-2011 @ 9:11am

worship is prayer and praise and adoration [I know some are uncomfortable with being that expressive] in song and spoken word *to God*...? i.e. corporate and singular 'vertical' communication
it seems some above are describing preaching, exhortation, challenge *to one another* ...corporate horizontal communication..that is not worship...do that in speech, in preaching, by all means..it is needed - but it is not worship...it's nearly as bad as those 'prayers' that preach a sermon to the listeners
see the Psalms [are they 'old' enough for some critics of 'modern'? ;] i..e. David and others address God, not other people..

I would say let us "find out what pleases the Lord" regarding sung worship - and He may not be so critical as many of us - as He is a Father who appreciates a childlike spirit, and the Father seeks those who worship in Spirit and in Truth.

by: Greg Dill

05-18-2011 @ 9:45am

I totally agree with RedDeacon and disagree with the premise of this article. Worship is and has always been about lifting up our praises to God. God is our audience and only He is worthy of our full attention and praise. Worship is not some musical mini-sermon about taking up causes, actions, deeds, and what we should or should not be doing. If it is, then the object of our worship has changed. Thus, social justice, taking up causes, and such essentially become idols.

Let's fix our eyes upon God during worship, and let what we do with our lives stay within the confines of holy and sanctified living.

by: Greg Dill

05-18-2011 @ 9:45am

I totally agree with RedDeacon and disagree with the premise of this article. Worship is and has always been about lifting up our praises to God. God is our audience and only He is worthy of our full attention and praise. Worship is not some musical mini-sermon about taking up causes, actions, deeds, and what we should or should not be doing. If it is, then the object of our worship has changed. Thus, social justice, taking up causes, and such essentially become idols.

Let's fix our eyes upon God during worship, and let what we do with our lives stay within the confines of holy and sanctified living.

by: Brian Breeding

05-18-2011 @ 3:17pm

Two cents. God doesn't need our worship. God doesn't bask in our praise like a dog in a warm sunbeam. We need worship. We need to experience the presence of the "mystery" and be reminded of our responsibilities.

Simple.

by: Brian Breeding

05-18-2011 @ 3:17pm

Two cents. God doesn't need our worship. God doesn't bask in our praise like a dog in a warm sunbeam. We need worship. We need to experience the presence of the "mystery" and be reminded of our responsibilities.

Simple.

by: stonecherub

05-18-2011 @ 5:15pm

Proof of a good and loving god rests in the music of Johann Sebastian Bach. Without his tunes, the Episcopal Hymnal would be a thin book indeed. Among those tunes is folk music and the work of other composers, accompaniment to our worship and the voice of god in my life.

by: stonecherub

05-18-2011 @ 5:15pm

Proof of a good and loving god rests in the music of Johann Sebastian Bach. Without his tunes, the Episcopal Hymnal would be a thin book indeed. Among those tunes is folk music and the work of other composers, accompaniment to our worship and the voice of god in my life.

by: bbuudd

05-18-2011 @ 6:00pm

I believe - and I believe it because our Book says it's so - that God hates solemn assemblies and offerings and the noise of our songs. What God wants is for justice to roll down like waters and righteousness to flow like a never-ending stream (or something like that).

Of course, that was way back then, when injustice was rampant - when the widows and orphans were oppressed, when the needy were trampled, the humble were done away with, the wealthy cheated the people, etc. Not like today ...

The words of the prophets should be echoing like thunder in the minds of those whose eyes see the same conditions all around us.

by: bbuudd

05-18-2011 @ 6:00pm

I believe - and I believe it because our Book says it's so - that God hates solemn assemblies and offerings and the noise of our songs. What God wants is for justice to roll down like waters and righteousness to flow like a never-ending stream (or something like that).

Of course, that was way back then, when injustice was rampant - when the widows and orphans were oppressed, when the needy were trampled, the humble were done away with, the wealthy cheated the people, etc. Not like today ...

The words of the prophets should be echoing like thunder in the minds of those whose eyes see the same conditions all around us.

by: samaritanity

05-18-2011 @ 6:02pm

My impression is that some of these comments are more soapboxing and semantic jiu-ji-tsu. Because unless I'm completely mistaken, the *premise* of the article was that the predominance of popular worship music was too individualistic/doe-eyed/vapid/unhelpfully self-negating in substance. With due respect, your appraisal of David's example is just as narrow. The point I took from carefully reading the article (and again, actually listening to the full album advertised) is that there is probably welcome space needed to expand that understanding in ways that would actually be that much more an honest focus on our relationship towards God and who God is. While David is certainly addressing the LORD throughout the Psalms, much of his time is spend in a spirit of barely pent-up rage, self-loathing, fed-up-ness (with God), doubts (about God), and saying some pretty hellacious things about the causes and deeds he wishes God would *take up* over his real and perceived enemies. Because, as Mr. Holt says in his comment, David is a fragile broken human too - and it's in feeling space to sing and cry out to God as such that he is awoken anew to how/where God is *in* that fragility/brokenness all along - which pivots the focus to the praise and worship that seems to be people's blindered takeaway from the rich Psalmic collection.

And, to reiterate a point from my previous comment, I believe we come into God's presence when we see God's work in the world and where God would have us - and we pray, praise and/or fall on our knees accordingly to weep (in joy or anguish). As Mr. Breeding says, we *do* need this - the questions raised by Mr. Holt and Brian McLaren just seem to be saying that if what we're doing is worshiping the blue sky and the front of the church, then the worship probably isn't as holistic as it could be - we might very well be missing out on devoting our "full attention" and praise (as you put it) to where God actually is.

In the end, we may continue to disagree on the actual dictionary definition of worship, but that really isn't the point of the article or the album. 'Hold On To Love' I don't believe is classified as a 'worship' album -- BUT, if you actually listen to it, and all of the lyrics in the context of the whole -- you'll find that the first three tracks are solely addressed to the God Who Is, as are many others - the rest is a call and response and testifying to who God is all over again. It's rich and worth revisiting, because it wrestles with the real - about God, about the world, and about the person and *people* doing the singing. To respond to Ms. Burdon, I reject the binary of 'vertical' and 'horizontal' communication because it's too limiting and dichotomizing of the expansive enveloping that our relationships to God and other are doing and places God 'out there' and 'over us'...when by grace we know who God is for us and who God is period through the love made known "horizontally" in Jesus.

by: samaritanity

05-18-2011 @ 6:02pm

My impression is that some of these comments are more soapboxing and semantic jiu-ji-tsu. Because unless I'm completely mistaken, the *premise* of the article was that the predominance of popular worship music was too individualistic/doe-eyed/vapid/unhelpfully self-negating in substance. With due respect, your appraisal of David's example is just as narrow. The point I took from carefully reading the article (and again, actually listening to the full album advertised) is that there is probably welcome space needed to expand that understanding in ways that would actually be that much more an honest focus on our relationship towards God and who God is. While David is certainly addressing the LORD throughout the Psalms, much of his time is spend in a spirit of barely pent-up rage, self-loathing, fed-up-ness (with God), doubts (about God), and saying some pretty hellacious things about the causes and deeds he wishes God would *take up* over his real and perceived enemies. Because, as Mr. Holt says in his comment, David is a fragile broken human too - and it's in feeling space to sing and cry out to God as such that he is awoken anew to how/where God is *in* that fragility/brokenness all along - which pivots the focus to the praise and worship that seems to be people's blindered takeaway from the rich Psalmic collection.

And, to reiterate a point from my previous comment, I believe we come into God's presence when we see God's work in the world and where God would have us - and we pray, praise and/or fall on our knees accordingly to weep (in joy or anguish). As Mr. Breeding says, we *do* need this - the questions raised by Mr. Holt and Brian McLaren just seem to be saying that if what we're doing is worshiping the blue sky and the front of the church, then the worship probably isn't as holistic as it could be - we might very well be missing out on devoting our "full attention" and praise (as you put it) to where God actually is.

In the end, we may continue to disagree on the actual dictionary definition of worship, but that really isn't the point of the article or the album. 'Hold On To Love' I don't believe is classified as a 'worship' album -- BUT, if you actually listen to it, and all of the lyrics in the context of the whole -- you'll find that the first three tracks are solely addressed to the God Who Is, as are many others - the rest is a call and response and testifying to who God is all over again. It's rich and worth revisiting, because it wrestles with the real - about God, about the world, and about the person and *people* doing the singing. To respond to Ms. Burdon, I reject the binary of 'vertical' and 'horizontal' communication because it's too limiting and dichotomizing of the expansive enveloping that our relationships to God and other are doing and places God 'out there' and 'over us'...when by grace we know who God is for us and who God is period through the love made known "horizontally" in Jesus.

by: Sarah Pressly-James

05-18-2011 @ 6:12pm

Mr. Dill says, "let's fix our eyes solely upon God during worship...", the implication being that the kinds of songs and the worship Mr. Holt is suggesting are thus NOT fixing our eyes upon God. Do we thank God and lift praises to him WHEN WE DO HIS WORK??? Of course we do! These things cannot be disconnected - only we, the 20th century Christians, have that foolish idea that somehow they're separate. Jesus himself didn't - "Peter, do you love me?...Feed my lambs...tend my sheep..." He did NOT say, "Peter, do you love me? Build an altar...bring me sacrifices..." I'm only saying what the Bible says, more to the point, what Jesus COMMANDS. If we love Him, we will feed and protect each other, especially THE LEAST OF THESE. Nowhere in Matthew 25 does it say, "Come into the kingdom...for I was wanting worship, and you raised songs of praise to me...I needed to hear your voice, and you said 'You are Holy'..."

They are ENTWINED. When we do what Jesus says, WE ARE WORSHIPING. When we say, in our formal setting of worship time, Hey Jesus, here are some things we lift up TO BE DONE, that IS worship.

I commend to you Bryan Sirchio's "87 Times" at his website.
Sarah PJ

PS: Mr. Holt, please consider your position at this website and whether you believe the recent blocking of the homosexual-friendly ad was, in fact, how Jesus would tend His gay sheep. Then act accordingly.

by: Sarah Pressly-James

05-18-2011 @ 6:12pm

Mr. Dill says, "let's fix our eyes solely upon God during worship...", the implication being that the kinds of songs and the worship Mr. Holt is suggesting are thus NOT fixing our eyes upon God. Do we thank God and lift praises to him WHEN WE DO HIS WORK??? Of course we do! These things cannot be disconnected - only we, the 20th century Christians, have that foolish idea that somehow they're separate. Jesus himself didn't - "Peter, do you love me?...Feed my lambs...tend my sheep..." He did NOT say, "Peter, do you love me? Build an altar...bring me sacrifices..." I'm only saying what the Bible says, more to the point, what Jesus COMMANDS. If we love Him, we will feed and protect each other, especially THE LEAST OF THESE. Nowhere in Matthew 25 does it say, "Come into the kingdom...for I was wanting worship, and you raised songs of praise to me...I needed to hear your voice, and you said 'You are Holy'..."

They are ENTWINED. When we do what Jesus says, WE ARE WORSHIPING. When we say, in our formal setting of worship time, Hey Jesus, here are some things we lift up TO BE DONE, that IS worship.

I commend to you Bryan Sirchio's "87 Times" at his website.
Sarah PJ

PS: Mr. Holt, please consider your position at this website and whether you believe the recent blocking of the homosexual-friendly ad was, in fact, how Jesus would tend His gay sheep. Then act accordingly.

by: Cliff

05-18-2011 @ 6:35pm

I don't believe it's either/or, but both/and. To paraphrase Jesus, "You should have practiced the former without neglecting the latter."

by: Cliff

05-18-2011 @ 6:35pm

I don't believe it's either/or, but both/and. To paraphrase Jesus, "You should have practiced the former without neglecting the latter."

by: tinkouse

05-18-2011 @ 6:58pm

There was a time when the very idea of God was so overwhelming that the word/name could not be spoken (or sung). Nevertheless, peace and compassion are a worthy ways putting worship into practice, and songs reflecting the practice are excellent expressions of our commitment to these ideas. I have heard that "music is the language of the soul" in its ability to touch the deepest parts of the human psyche. Songs such as these connect us deeply and in ways that differ from spoken or written worship. Just remember the songs of the Civil Rights era....

by: tinkouse

05-18-2011 @ 6:58pm

There was a time when the very idea of God was so overwhelming that the word/name could not be spoken (or sung). Nevertheless, peace and compassion are a worthy ways putting worship into practice, and songs reflecting the practice are excellent expressions of our commitment to these ideas. I have heard that "music is the language of the soul" in its ability to touch the deepest parts of the human psyche. Songs such as these connect us deeply and in ways that differ from spoken or written worship. Just remember the songs of the Civil Rights era....

by: revtk

05-18-2011 @ 7:07pm

There is a great diversity in the way we understand and practice "worship". I am glad your particular praise and adoration tradition has meaning for you but "worship" cannot be limited to the definitions you have imposed. The gospel is a "living word" a living voice, and in the long tradition of many churches, preaching is an essential component of worship. For some it is the central component for the Word has creative power to transform lives and transcend the small realities we falsely give ultimate importance. That "Word" can be sung, it can be spoken, preached, eaten, splashed, and shared among the community. To deny a "horizontal" component in worship is to deny the reality of the Spirit present among us. God is no longer "out there" but is intimately present with us, inside us. Christ enables us to see one another truly as sisters and brothers.

The ancient model for worship follows a four-fold pattern of Gathering, Word, Meal, and Sending. Indeed all of our life is a form of worship, a way of giving glory to God. Worship, at the most fundamental level, is any act or attitude that demonstrates devotion to that which you name as "God". You can worship God with song, with prayer, with daily work, with speech, with eating and drinking, and indeed with everything that we are. I believe this "depth" of worship is what the article is originally seeking.

by: revtk

05-18-2011 @ 7:07pm

There is a great diversity in the way we understand and practice "worship". I am glad your particular praise and adoration tradition has meaning for you but "worship" cannot be limited to the definitions you have imposed. The gospel is a "living word" a living voice, and in the long tradition of many churches, preaching is an essential component of worship. For some it is the central component for the Word has creative power to transform lives and transcend the small realities we falsely give ultimate importance. That "Word" can be sung, it can be spoken, preached, eaten, splashed, and shared among the community. To deny a "horizontal" component in worship is to deny the reality of the Spirit present among us. God is no longer "out there" but is intimately present with us, inside us. Christ enables us to see one another truly as sisters and brothers.

The ancient model for worship follows a four-fold pattern of Gathering, Word, Meal, and Sending. Indeed all of our life is a form of worship, a way of giving glory to God. Worship, at the most fundamental level, is any act or attitude that demonstrates devotion to that which you name as "God". You can worship God with song, with prayer, with daily work, with speech, with eating and drinking, and indeed with everything that we are. I believe this "depth" of worship is what the article is originally seeking.

by: PASTOR JEFF

05-18-2011 @ 10:05pm

Are not our lives, in their entirety, worship? No addresses to others in the Psalms? You might want to reread.

by: PASTOR JEFF

05-18-2011 @ 10:05pm

Are not our lives, in their entirety, worship? No addresses to others in the Psalms? You might want to reread.

by: Kementari

05-19-2011 @ 10:46pm

What, no Jon Anderson? ;) Please tell me the album's named after his fabulous song.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwUB69fWPMg&feature=related

by: Kementari

05-19-2011 @ 10:46pm

What, no Jon Anderson? ;) Please tell me the album's named after his fabulous song.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwUB69fWPMg&feature=related

by: BAFox

05-20-2011 @ 2:21am

Worship is often seen as us "just praising the Lord." Often this can be reduced to a "works" mentality of what we have to do to win God's approval, rather than being a response to God. "We love God, because God showed us Love first." Songs sung by the Christian community celebrate all aspects of God's (and our) relationship with Creation.

Examples of composers who embody this well, and are based largely on actual scriptures, would be David Haas (e.g. "Share your bread with the hungry") and Marty Haugen ("The Magnificat"). Preview their works at http://www.giamusic.com/sacred... (put their names in the search box) and you will be amazed at the breadth of scripture based songs that are out there and could well enrich the worship of the church.

by: BAFox

05-20-2011 @ 2:21am

Worship is often seen as us "just praising the Lord." Often this can be reduced to a "works" mentality of what we have to do to win God's approval, rather than being a response to God. "We love God, because God showed us Love first." Songs sung by the Christian community celebrate all aspects of God's (and our) relationship with Creation.

Examples of composers who embody this well, and are based largely on actual scriptures, would be David Haas (e.g. "Share your bread with the hungry") and Marty Haugen ("The Magnificat"). Preview their works at http://www.giamusic.com/sacred... (put their names in the search box) and you will be amazed at the breadth of scripture based songs that are out there and could well enrich the worship of the church.

by: Elizabeth Rushing

05-22-2011 @ 7:56am

I agree with those posting that worship music is "vertical" - our praise and recognition of God. I also feel that Christianity, by its very nature, is experiential as well as relational. So music about our love for God, and His love for us flows from that naturally. "Social justice" themes, or songs about how we should act in the world have value, but are not worship. Maybe what's needed is more balance.I too, was a long time church music snob, sneering at praise and worship music. My view changed when I realized I wouldn't have the same lack of respect for similar music from other cultures. People will gravitate to churches that match their worship "style." Judging the way someone else worships? That seems shallow to me.

by: Elizabeth Rushing

05-22-2011 @ 7:56am

I agree with those posting that worship music is "vertical" - our praise and recognition of God. I also feel that Christianity, by its very nature, is experiential as well as relational. So music about our love for God, and His love for us flows from that naturally. "Social justice" themes, or songs about how we should act in the world have value, but are not worship. Maybe what's needed is more balance.I too, was a long time church music snob, sneering at praise and worship music. My view changed when I realized I wouldn't have the same lack of respect for similar music from other cultures. People will gravitate to churches that match their worship "style." Judging the way someone else worships? That seems shallow to me.